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The Summertime Blues

by Kafir ( 290 Comments › )
Filed under Blogmocracy, Guest Post, Politics, Progressives at August 4th, 2010 - 11:30 am

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Guest post by: Huckfunn!


Ah; the sights, sounds and smells of summertime. Tropical resorts, mountain hideaways, waterparks and a tour boat cruise past the Kennedy Compound in Hayannis Harbor. BUT WAIT… there’s more. Video games for the elderly, stoned monkeys, snowmaking and, just for all of you hot babes, a study on Reducing Menopausal Hot Flashes Through Yoga. Sound stimulating? Well, folks; you don’t even need a reservation because you’re already signed up. This is how the Obowmao regime and the dimocrat Congress have decided to spend your 862 billion tax dollars to create jobs and stimulate the economy. Check out the colorful brochure and please post your comments as to your favorite amusement. These are just a few of the many attractions.


“Dance Draw” – Interactive Dance Software Development


$54 million in rural development loans to construct a new four-story tribal government center, which will include a practice facility for the Connecticut Sun, the WNBA professional basketball team.


Monkeys Get High for Science
(Winston-Salem, NC) – $144,541


The Meteorite Hunters of Antarctica
(Cleveland, OH) – $600,001


Reducing Menopausal Hot Flashes Through Yoga
(Winston-Salem, NC) – $294,958

Senators Tom Coburn and John McCain have made this brochure available to you in their report SUMMERTIME BLUES, 100 Stimulus Projects that give the taxpayers the blues.

- Huckfunn

Read the whole thing here: Summertime Blues

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  1. m
    1 | August 4, 2010 11:41 am

    Stoned monkeys?! ?! ?!


  2. The Osprey
    2 | August 4, 2010 11:42 am

    Chuckles and his crew are already whining about Coburn and McCain’s report being “anti-science”.

    402 freetoken
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    One thing I notice is that they really picked on Primate research.

    You think the hard-core creationism of Coburn has anything to do with this?


  3. The Osprey
    3 | August 4, 2010 11:43 am

    @ The Osprey:

    413 freetoken
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    re: #408 Gus 802

    McCain is doing this to counter JD Hayworth.

    McCain is trying hard to be credible to the new hard-right. Why, I do not know. He’s done several things these past few months which the old McCain would not have done.

    As for Coburn, it looks like he picked on primate research, and climate related research. This will help him bolster his cred in the anti-science crowd.


  4. huckfunn
    4 | August 4, 2010 11:47 am

    Sorry I’m late to the party. I’m having ‘puter issues this morning and have had to field a few bidness calls. I love the funky monkey.


  5. The Osprey
    5 | August 4, 2010 11:48 am

    363 freetoken
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    Oh here’s an eye opener, from the Coburn-McCain list:

    20. Monkey and Chimpanzee Responses to Inequity (Atlanta, GA) -- $677,462184
    While much is known about how humans respond to inequity and injustice, researchers at Georgia State
    University are using almost $700,000 in stimulus funds to study why monkeys respond negatively to
    inequity and unfairness.185 “Seven species of primates will be asked to make decisions about whether or
    not to accept rewards in a series of studies in which their outcomes vary relative to their social partners.
    The influence of social factors like group membership and individual factors like personality will also be
    investigated. The results of this research will clarify how decision-making is affected by unequal
    outcomes.”186 Previous research by the investigator on this project had found that “Chimpanzees respond
    with temper tantrums if they do not get what they desire,” and that “Capuchin monkeys and
    chimpanzees both respond negatively to distributional inequity.”187


  6. Bumr50
    6 | August 4, 2010 11:49 am

    @ The Osprey:

    This monkey’s gone to heaven!


  7. 7 | August 4, 2010 11:52 am

    Life is so complex now under Zero. What ever happened to Ted Kennedy, Chris Dodd, waitresses, and just plain old hookers and blow out in horse country?


  8. m
    8 | August 4, 2010 11:52 am

    @ huckfunn:

    That’s the perfect picture too, LOL!

    cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese (puffs)!


  9. snork
    9 | August 4, 2010 11:54 am

    @ The Osprey:
    Why is it that the people who yap about science are the ones who know nothing about it? Chuck and science are like Madonna and Kaballah.


  10. vapig
    10 | August 4, 2010 11:54 am

    m wrote:

    Stoned monkeys?! ?! ?!

    Money to study the effects of cocaine on monkeys.


  11. huckfunn
    11 | August 4, 2010 11:55 am

    m wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    That’s the perfect picture too, LOL!
    cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese (puffs)!

    I wonder if that’s the patient or one of the administrators. :lol:


  12. razorbacker
    12 | August 4, 2010 11:56 am

    What a bunch of crybabies.

    Y’all act like that was your money or something.

    When you should be on your knees thanking your richers social betters for allowing you to get a fleeting glimpse of the cash as it pours through your hands.

    ‘Sides, y’all would have just wasted the money on food, clothing, housing, transportation and other such nonsense.

    See how much better it is when the experts handle things?


  13. 13 | August 4, 2010 11:56 am

    @ The Osprey:

    They want “research” like this paid for with taxes taken from the rural serf population! I wish I was kidding, but we all know I’m really not. They want to waste the money. That gives them an excuse to take more from the middle class.


  14. m
    14 | August 4, 2010 11:59 am

    Old Abandoned Iron Furnace Gets Facelift after Money Squandered on Same Project Years Before (Fitchburg, KY)
    – $357,710

    In 2004, however, the federal government provided $661,000 for restoration of the building, though “much of which was lost” due to “bad stewardship of money,” according to Skip Johnson, current treasurer of the Friends of Fitchburg.

    So let’s throw some more money at them! Yeah, that’s the ticket!


  15. taxfreekiller
    15 | August 4, 2010 12:00 pm

    Note:

    followed over to the .0001 Quack/Quack cheerleader team.

    Albusteve has health issues, there are several post by him and others on the thread just now about it. If any one wants to wish him good luck they have enough full time stalkers here that your message will get to him.

    “Good Luck Albusteve”

    tfk@ The Osprey:


  16. 16 | August 4, 2010 12:02 pm

    I personally love the stimulus funded study of the sex lives of European truckers.

    Like we don’t have any truckers here we can study?


  17. Crashnburn01
    17 | August 4, 2010 12:02 pm

    Got to give the “Meteorite Hunters of Antarctica” props in that they figured out how to get a free once-in-a-lifetime trip to Antarctica to attempt to find rocks that might be meteoric in nature. I imagine they stopped in South Africa during the World Cup to make arrangements and then onto to Sydney for a pub crawl further planning prior to their time at the South Pole.


  18. razorbacker
    18 | August 4, 2010 12:02 pm

    m wrote:

    Old Abandoned Iron Furnace Gets Facelift after Money
    Squandered on Same Project Years Before (Fitchburg, KY)
    – $357,710
    In 2004, however, the federal government provided $661,000 for restoration of the building, though “much of which was lost” due to “bad stewardship of money,” according to Skip Johnson, current treasurer of the Friends of Fitchburg.
    So let’s throw some more money at them! Yeah, that’s the ticket!

    I’ll bet that you bunch of haters think that replacing windows in the Mt. St. Helena’s visitor center was wasteful, too.

    Sure, it’s been closed since the eruption, but still, you never know, ya know?


  19. Crashnburn01
    19 | August 4, 2010 12:03 pm

    FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:

    I personally love the stimulus funded study of the sex lives of European truckers.
    Like we don’t have any truckers here we can study?

    It isn’t like they are hard to catch -- a little PBR and chicken wings and you could probably net 15 or 20 at a decent rest stop!


  20. 20 | August 4, 2010 12:04 pm

    @ razorbacker:
    If we had experts running this boondoggle it might not be so bad, but we have a bunch of educated idiots doing their best to con the public because that is all the grifters know.


  21. huckfunn
    21 | August 4, 2010 12:04 pm

    Here’s one of my favorites:
    Addiction Studies Program for Journalists (Winston-Salem, NC) -- $266,505

    Wake Forest University is using $266,505 in stimulus funds to continue its annual science education workshops for reporters. “These workshops employ an interactive, problem-based format that engages the skills and knowledge of working journalists. Participants will have ample time to interact with program faculty — internationally known scientists, teachers of journalism, award-winning journalists from the print and broadcast media, and others who have made important contributions to the drug-abuse field.”

    Yay! Happy hour at Wake Forest.


  22. The Osprey
    22 | August 4, 2010 12:06 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    Note:

    followed over to the .0001 Quack/Quack cheerleader team.

    Albusteve has health issues, there are several post by him and others on the thread just now about it. If any one wants to wish him good luck they have enough full time stalkers here that your message will get to him.

    “Good Luck Albusteve”

    tfk@ The Osprey:

    Yes, I wish Albusteve good luck. I always liked him when I was at the swamp and he is one of the few voices of rationality left there. You are welcome here Albusteve, if the weasel begins to gnaw on you if you get my drift.


  23. 23 | August 4, 2010 12:06 pm

    @ razorbacker:
    ’tis Mt. St. Helens, I still have a coffee can of ash from the May 25th 1980 eruption somewhere, Helena is in Montana and ain’t a mountain. ;)


  24. m
    24 | August 4, 2010 12:08 pm

    @ razorbacker:

    Yeah!

    And that Firm Gets No-Bid Environmental Cleanup Contract – for a Mess It Helped Make (Simi Valley, CA) -- $15.8 million one? Well they made the mess, they can clean it!

    / / / / / / /

    Getting paid so nicely to do it is well… STIMULUS!

    / / / / / / /


  25. 25 | August 4, 2010 12:09 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Why don’t they pay for it? I want my money spent on the military, not this.


  26. m
    26 | August 4, 2010 12:10 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    and others who have made important contributions to the drug-abuse field.”

    Ozzy?!


  27. 27 | August 4, 2010 12:10 pm

    @ m:

    The Obama boom roars on!


  28. 28 | August 4, 2010 12:10 pm

    @ m:
    So now the taxpayers getting screwed by the government is called stimulus.

    The things this administration is doing……..


  29. taxfreekiller
    29 | August 4, 2010 12:10 pm

    Yet wishes of “good luck” from here could get him banned.

    like that,

    Charles be human for once.

    tfk@ The Osprey:


  30. Bumr50
    30 | August 4, 2010 12:10 pm

    BWAHAHA!!

    Miss Lindsay on Fox just used “rich Asian parents” flying into California and staying for 90 days to have their children in CA then flying back as his example as to why we need to re-examine the 14th amendment.

    Is that really the BIG problem, b*tch?


  31. razorbacker
    31 | August 4, 2010 12:11 pm

    FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:

    @ razorbacker:
    ’tis Mt. St. Helens, I still have a coffee can of ash from the May 25th 1980 eruption somewhere, Helena is in Montana and ain’t a mountain.

    Hell, it might have been a mountain. But no, everybody kept carrying it off, one coffee can full at a time.


  32. Bob in Breckenridge
    32 | August 4, 2010 12:11 pm

    Speaking of wasting OUR money, why the fuck is this trip necessary????
    Who the fuck is paying for this shit???

    U.S. State Department lifts warning to African Americans about ‘racist’ Spaniards… just as Michelle Obama jets into Marbella

    The Obama administration faced an embarrassing diplomatic blunder today after it was forced to pull a warning about racism in Spain -- just as the First Lady arrived in the country for a summer holiday.
    Staff at the U.S. State Department removed the contentious advice to travellers, which included the phrase ‘racist prejudices could lead to the arrest of Afro-Americans who travel to Spain,’ from its website on Monday.
    The First Lady landed in the Costa del Sol this morning for a break with her youngest daughter Sasha, nine.

    She is on a four-day visit and will be staying at the five-star Villa Padierna, rated as one of the world’s top 30 hotels, with 40 friends. The party has reserved 60 rooms.
    But Mrs Obama’s trip now risks being overshadowed by a row about institutionalised racism.
    The State Department advice sat alongside information about ETA and Islamist terrorist attacks in the country.


  33. Bumr50
    33 | August 4, 2010 12:12 pm

    @ m:

    Been there, done that!


  34. 34 | August 4, 2010 12:13 pm

    @ razorbacker:
    Mount St. Helens still is a mountain.

    Mount St. Helens VolcanoCams


  35. The Osprey
    35 | August 4, 2010 12:14 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    Yet wishes of “good luck” from here could get him banned.

    like that,

    Charles be human for once.

    tfk@ The Osprey:

    Then the onus for that is on Charles, not us, if Chuckles wishes to be so petty.


  36. 36 | August 4, 2010 12:15 pm

    FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:

    So now the taxpayers getting screwed by the government is called stimulus.

    Well someone was stimulated with the bill.


  37. 37 | August 4, 2010 12:15 pm

    @ Crashnburn01:

    Come on, man, they blew less than a million dollars on that trip. You know most of that went to gear and travel. I doubt the “researchers” cleared $50K apiece for the trip (tax-free, though :-) ). Life is hard for the Academic class.


  38. The Osprey
    38 | August 4, 2010 12:15 pm

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    Speaking of wasting OUR money, why the fuck is this trip necessary????
    Who the fuck is paying for this shit???

    Someone named U.S. Taxpayer.


  39. The Osprey
    39 | August 4, 2010 12:16 pm

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:

    So now the taxpayers getting screwed by the government is called stimulus.

    Well someone was stimulated with the bill.

    I have a bumpersticker that says “Honk if you feel more screwed than stimulated”.


  40. Bumr50
    40 | August 4, 2010 12:16 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    Man, that guy’s a SUCKER!!


  41. NoThreat2U
    41 | August 4, 2010 12:17 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    I hope those allegations of racism piss the Spaniards off…big time!


  42. huckfunn
    42 | August 4, 2010 12:19 pm

    FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:

    If we had experts running this boondoggle it might not be so bad, but we have a bunch of educated idiots doing their best to con the public because that is all the grifters know.

    Problem is there just aren’t any adults in charge. Imagine turning over all of your credit cards, your 401-k and the keys to your Porsche to a 14 year old kid. :shock:


  43. 43 | August 4, 2010 12:19 pm

    Whatever the value of some of this research it has no business being in a stimulus bill. Even the Keynesians that supported the stimulus agree that the porkulus bill was anything but a stimulus bill.


  44. 44 | August 4, 2010 12:21 pm

    @ Rodan:

    You got that right. F-22s, and LWRC rifles for the troops! And more and better ships for the Navy, too. There is no excuse for us not so outstripping the world over the next ten years that it will take the rest of the century for anyone to catch up with us. And the military buildup creats real jobs for real people. Imagine if Obama’s $2 trillion had gone to buy a couple of new Carrier Battle Groups…


  45. 45 | August 4, 2010 12:22 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:

    You and I.


  46. buzzsawmonkey
    46 | August 4, 2010 12:22 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    Whatever the value of some of this research it has no business being in a stimulus bill. Even the Keynesians that supported the stimulus agree that the porkulus bill was anything but a stimulus bill.

    What you all don’t understand is that the Leftists are merely invoking their Right of Return. They’ve always owned the White House, even when it was under evil Right Wing occupation, and they have the Keynes to prove it.

    No wonder they’re sympathetic to the “Palestinians”…


  47. The Osprey
    47 | August 4, 2010 12:23 pm

    Davesax maybe about to “flounce” on the Bloomberg/NY Mosque thread…

    100 davesax
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    Who cares what Bloomberg said at an orchestrated press conference. Media PR bullshit.

    101 davesax
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    And good for Megan McArdle at the Atlantic for pointing out his ludicrous, newfound respect for private property after using eminent domain to approve the money losing Atlantic yards to be subsidized with city money.

    Watching you guys fall into groupthink about a Mayor you obviously know nothing about is a trip.


  48. The Osprey
    48 | August 4, 2010 12:23 pm

    Heh.

    103 Gus 802
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    Who cares what Bloomberg said at an orchestrated press conference. Media PR bullshit.

    Maybe you should stick with Atlas Shrugged, Gates of Vienna, and Jihad Watch. You’ll be happier there.


  49. 49 | August 4, 2010 12:24 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Yup but because that would actually crate jobs, they will not do that.


  50. NoThreat2U
    50 | August 4, 2010 12:25 pm

    So did you guys hear that the Omar who shot those people at the beer warehouse did it because of “racism”? They have him on camera stealing beer, but they are all racists. lol


  51. buzzsawmonkey
    51 | August 4, 2010 12:25 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    So did you guys hear that the Omar who shot those people at the beer warehouse did it because of “racism”? They have him on camera stealing beer, but they are all racists.

    Free beer is part of the reparations package.


  52. 52 | August 4, 2010 12:26 pm

    @ Rancher:

    It did not go into infrastructure.


  53. 53 | August 4, 2010 12:27 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    They are ignoring his Islamic connection and playing up the race thing. This is done to distract the right. I would not put it past the Progressives, if they put up this guy to do a shooting.


  54. 54 | August 4, 2010 12:29 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yeah, actually helping the economy (to say nothing of national defense) would be counter-productive from the Prog point of view. Can’t have that happen. Blow them money on interesting vacations for the Academic class instead…


  55. NoThreat2U
    55 | August 4, 2010 12:29 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Heh :) Would surprise me if he thought he was entitled to free beer. lol


  56. NoThreat2U
    56 | August 4, 2010 12:29 pm

    Note to self: Do not try to lurk at the swamp. It will cause your browser to crash…twice.


  57. 57 | August 4, 2010 12:29 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I believe could have replaced every presently commissioned ship or built back up to a 600 ship navy with spares and supplies for a decade.

    But that might have sent a discourteous message to our Chinese global partners.


  58. 58 | August 4, 2010 12:30 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Forty Ouncers and BMW


  59. 59 | August 4, 2010 12:31 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I’m all for turning the Proggys into street-light ornaments. Telephone poles will work, too, in more rural areas where there aren’t street-lights…


  60. 60 | August 4, 2010 12:31 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    BWAHAHA!!
    Miss Lindsay on Fox just used “rich Asian parents” flying into California and staying for 90 days to have their children in CA then flying back as his example as to why we need to re-examine the 14th amendment.
    Is that really the BIG problem, b*tch?

    Mayor of Columbus, NM was on the radio the other day. Columbus is about six miles from the Mexican border, I was down there once with the Minutemen. He said the most common calls the EMTs in Luna County get are women in labor that had just crossed the border.


  61. Jorline
    61 | August 4, 2010 12:32 pm

    Spanish racist…now you see them…now you don’t!

    The Obama administration faced an embarrassing diplomatic blunder today after it was forced to pull a warning about racism in Spain -- just as the First Lady arrived in the country for a summer holiday.

    Staff at the U.S. State Department removed the contentious advice to travellers, which included the phrase ‘racist prejudices could lead to the arrest of Afro-Americans who travel to Spain,’ from its website on Monday.


  62. 62 | August 4, 2010 12:32 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    Note to self: Do not try to lurk at the swamp. It will cause your browser to crash…twice.

    It crashed mine as well!


  63. 63 | August 4, 2010 12:34 pm

    @ Jorline:

    The Spanish only arrest trouble makers. They like Afro-Latins, so the racist charge is bogus.


  64. Jorline
    64 | August 4, 2010 12:35 pm

    Eeny, meeny, miny, moe,
    Catch an illegal by the toe.
    If he hollers let him go,
    Eeny, meeny, miny, moe.


  65. 65 | August 4, 2010 12:35 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    BWAHAHA!!
    Miss Lindsay on Fox just used “rich Asian parents” flying into California and staying for 90 days to have their children in CA then flying back as his example as to why we need to re-examine the 14th amendment.
    Is that really the BIG problem, b*tch?

    Actually yes it is. There are birth industries set up in Asia, where they come here and give birth. The same is going on with rich Arabs.

    This problem is just Mexicans as some on the right think.


  66. 66 | August 4, 2010 12:35 pm

    @ Scott Madsen:

    Yeah, the amount of money the Obama Administration just blew really is beyond imagining. It is almost one seventh of GDP. That is like the whole health care industry! Just blown on the fiduciary equivilent of hookers and blow. Zero return on investment. They’d have done more for the economy just litterally passing out money (not that I advocate that, either), but, of course, really helping the economy wasn’t in their plan. I bet if you could trace it Obama socked away a personal stash to the tune of a billion dollars somewhere in the world. Just for funzies, don’t you know?


  67. buzzsawmonkey
    67 | August 4, 2010 12:35 pm

    Jorline wrote:

    Staff at the U.S. State Department removed the contentious advice to travellers, which included the phrase ‘racist prejudices could lead to the arrest of Afro-Americans who travel to Spain,’ from its website on Monday.

    Isn’t that “racist prejudice” actually a matter of the Spanish attempting to secure their borders—something that the US continues to refuse to do? It is my understanding that Spain is being inundated with illegals from Africa.


  68. buzzsawmonkey
    68 | August 4, 2010 12:37 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I bet if you could trace it Obama socked away a personal stash to the tune of a billion dollars somewhere in the world. Just for funzies, don’t you know?

    Maybe he was inspired by his Peace Prize predecessor Yassir Arafat. That would certainly explain why he bows and says, “Yassir, Yassir,” to every tinpot dictator on the planet.


  69. 69 | August 4, 2010 12:38 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    So did you guys hear that the Omar who shot those people at the beer warehouse did it because of “racism”? They have him on camera stealing beer, but they are all racists. lol

    Never filed any complaints against the five racists he killed, or on anyone for that matter.


  70. Jorline
    70 | August 4, 2010 12:38 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Jorline:
    The Spanish only arrest trouble makers. They like Afro-Latins, so the racist charge is bogus.

    Aren’t most racist allegations by this administration bogus?

    :)


  71. 71 | August 4, 2010 12:38 pm

    @ Rodan:

    NBA players stiffing hookers again?

    If so, is is probably because someone in the locker romm said that Spain has all the Fre-old-lays you could want.


  72. vapig
    72 | August 4, 2010 12:39 pm

    FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:

    @ razorbacker:
    ’tis Mt. St. Helens, I still have a coffee can of ash from the May 25th 1980 eruption somewhere, Helena is in Montana and ain’t a mountain.

    I still have a baby food jar full of the stuff in my curio cabinate.


  73. m
    73 | August 4, 2010 12:39 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    Wishes or can’t help himself? LOL! The boy has petty down pat!


  74. Bumr50
    74 | August 4, 2010 12:39 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I haven’t heard much about that, thanks for the heads-up.

    I’ll take a crackdown any way that I can get it.


  75. huckfunn
    75 | August 4, 2010 12:40 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Scott Madsen:

    Yeah, the amount of money the Obama Administration just blew really is beyond imagining. It is almost one seventh of GDP. That is like the whole health care industry! Just blown on the fiduciary equivilent of hookers and blow. Zero return on investment. They’d have done more for the economy just litterally passing out money (not that I advocate that, either), but, of course, really helping the economy wasn’t in their plan. I bet if you could trace it Obama socked away a personal stash to the tune of a billion dollars somewhere in the world. Just for funzies, don’t you know?

    Wealth redistribution was the plan and guess what? It worked. All of that money and all of the debt will be paid by taxpayers. Problem is, only 55% of Americans pay taxes. Mission accomplie.


  76. Jorline
    76 | August 4, 2010 12:40 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Jorline wrote:

    Isn’t that “racist prejudice” actually a matter of the Spanish attempting to secure their borders—something that the US continues to refuse to do? It is my understanding that Spain is being inundated with illegals from Africa.

    Only if you profile like AZ.
    ////////


  77. Bumr50
    77 | August 4, 2010 12:40 pm

    @ Rancher:

    We’ll probably never know, but it didn’t sound like they were even terminating him.


  78. NoThreat2U
    78 | August 4, 2010 12:42 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Oh shit!! lol


  79. chickadee
    79 | August 4, 2010 12:43 pm

    I’d feel better if they just took our money and fcking burned it.


  80. Bob in Breckenridge
    80 | August 4, 2010 12:44 pm

    @ The Osprey:
    @ Rodan:
    @ NoThreat2U:
    Fuck the racism shit. This pisses me off. This trip is a fucking PRIVATE visit, so it’s another fucking vacation for these lazy assholes, and they bring along 40 fucking friends and reserved 60 rooms, cheapest one is about $500 a night up to $3000 for a suite.
    Could you imagine if Bush was still in office with with 17% of the nation unemployed and Laura took a trip like this?


  81. 81 | August 4, 2010 12:44 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Like water through a sieve, but water is recoverable through the biosphere.

    Crime of the ages. Blatant in your face with a MFM cover-up as an accessory before and after the fact.

    Hate to sound like a paleostinian, but, my children will be my revenge as they will/are being told what has been done to their future and by whom.


  82. 82 | August 4, 2010 12:45 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I haven’t heard much about that, thanks for the heads-up.
    I’ll take a crackdown any way that I can get it.

    This Immigration problem is beyond Mexicans. Russians Mobsters, Irish Ex IRA, Asian Gangs and Muzzies are all taking advantage.

    The only reason that Mexicans are mentioned is because they are the majority. However some on the Right hate Hispanics, so they are using this issue to turn us into Boogeymen. It’s Hispanophobia raging on the Right and it’s turning off many Conservative leaning Hispanics.


  83. chickadee
    83 | August 4, 2010 12:47 pm

    Not giving it to these scammers might make them get off their asses and actually do something that contributes to the economy.
    It is so disgusting that this is the type of “job,” zero “creates.”


  84. vapig
    84 | August 4, 2010 12:49 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I haven’t heard much about that, thanks for the heads-up.
    I’ll take a crackdown any way that I can get it.

    The problem isn’t just Chinese in CA and Arabs in NY (White Europeans also do this -- is called citizenship tourism and whole industries have been built upon this). However, if you want pure volumn you can thank all our neighbors to the south who seem to think it’s their right (and I blame thier marxist churches for this -- think black liberation theology for hispanics) to take from us simply because we have wealth and they do not. They seem to forget (or were not taught) that they are breaking several commanments -- like Thou Shalt Not Steal and Thou Shalt Not Covet! Thye truly, sincerely, believe it’s their right!


  85. NoThreat2U
    85 | August 4, 2010 12:50 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    He voluntarily resigned instead of being fired. He was calm, signed his papers, whipped out his gun and shot people. He went home and told his family he had just killed 5 racists.

    http://www.timesonline.com/bct_news/news_details/article/1373/2010/august/04/police-several-shot-at-beer-distributor-in-conn.html


  86. Bumr50
    86 | August 4, 2010 12:51 pm

    GM announces major investment in auto plant (in Mexico)

    I’m SURE there’ll be a HUGE outrage at this outsourcing of an American (owned) brand!!

    /////////


  87. 87 | August 4, 2010 12:53 pm

    @ vapig:

    Mexico needs a Pinochet with a Military Junta that will eliminate the trouble makers and implement Free Market reforms.


  88. Bumr50
    88 | August 4, 2010 12:53 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Thanks for the link.


  89. 89 | August 4, 2010 12:53 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    You tax money at work. Building plants overseas, while closing them here.

    Remember when Obama was against outsourcing?


  90. 90 | August 4, 2010 12:54 pm

    Best comment yet over at the Yahoo link to the beer thief/murderer story:

    “Kinda makes you think what Obama might do when he is fired”


  91. NoThreat2U
    91 | August 4, 2010 12:55 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    I cannot disagree with one word in your comment ^5. This is just getting ridiculous now.


  92. huckfunn
    92 | August 4, 2010 12:55 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    This Immigration problem is beyond Mexicans. Russians Mobsters, Irish Ex IRA, Asian Gangs and Muzzies are all taking advantage.

    The only reason that Mexicans are mentioned is because they are the majority. However some on the Right hate Hispanics, so they are using this issue to turn us into Boogeymen. It’s Hispanophobia raging on the Right and it’s turning off many Conservative leaning Hispanics.

    I think that “Hispanophobia on the right” is only a fringe minority. Having lived in Texas since 1970, I find that Mexicans who assimiltated and have been here for generations are well accepted at all levels of society. The illegals are looked down on by both Anglos and assimilated Mexicans.


  93. NoThreat2U
    93 | August 4, 2010 12:56 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    You’re welcome :)


  94. NoThreat2U
    94 | August 4, 2010 12:57 pm

    Illegal immigrant has become synonymous for Mexican. We need to better clarify ourselves when referring to illegals, or we do risk shunning hispanics. We should probably be a little more careful.


  95. chickadee
    95 | August 4, 2010 12:59 pm

    Has zero even mentioned the black racist who massacred 8 innocent people?


  96. NoThreat2U
    96 | August 4, 2010 1:00 pm

    @ chickadee:
    Nope. No even to mention that he “acted stupidly”.


  97. Bumr50
    97 | August 4, 2010 1:01 pm

    @ chickadee:

    I’m sure he’s “waiting for all the facts to come out.”


  98. huckfunn
    98 | August 4, 2010 1:01 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ chickadee:
    Nope. No even to mention that he “acted stupidly”.

    Beat me to it. :grin:


  99. NoThreat2U
    99 | August 4, 2010 1:01 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    BEER SUMMIT!! Oh, how ironic.


  100. snork
    100 | August 4, 2010 1:01 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    This Immigration problem is beyond Mexicans. Russians Mobsters, Irish Ex IRA, Asian Gangs and Muzzies are all taking advantage.

    Somalis.


  101. NoThreat2U
    101 | August 4, 2010 1:02 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    I’m quick on the draw today. lol You can have the next snarky reply :)


  102. 102 | August 4, 2010 1:03 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Illegals are looked down on by most Hispanics and are actually despised as trash. Most legal Hispanics actually come from Middle and upper class families are come here well educated. You have to read and write to fill out the immigration papers.

    It was just a fringe on the Right at one time, but now it’s starting to become mainstream. There are agitators manipulating people’s frustrations with the Illegal issue and blaming every ill in society, on not just illegals, but on Hispanics in general.

    Personally I think the Muzzies are behind this to distract Americans form their actions.


  103. vapig
    103 | August 4, 2010 1:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ vapig:
    Mexico needs a Pinochet with a Military Junta that will eliminate the trouble makers and implement Free Market reforms.

    Agreed. The oligarchies have got to go. They need a middle class. They are a wealthy country -- there is no excuse for this!


  104. huckfunn
    104 | August 4, 2010 1:04 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    My snarkles are flexed and coiled.


  105. 105 | August 4, 2010 1:04 pm

    I hate terrorists. Especially when they are “citizens” of my country….


  106. snork
    106 | August 4, 2010 1:05 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    I think that “Hispanophobia on the right” is only a fringe minority.

    Maybe so, but like the out-of-the-closet white racists, they’re useful idiots for the left. All it takes is one somewhere in Bumfuck, Montana, and he’ll be found, and the memo will go out, and it’ll be all over the internet, including LGF. The left has perfected the art of the red herring.


  107. buzzsawmonkey
    107 | August 4, 2010 1:05 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    You have to read and write to fill out the immigration papers.

    No es necessario leer si se puede obtener un abogado que puede leer.


  108. vapig
    108 | August 4, 2010 1:05 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ vapig:
    Mexico needs a Pinochet with a Military Junta that will eliminate the trouble makers and implement Free Market reforms.

    I’d also like missionaries to go down there are retake the churches! Teach the gospel and not marx!


  109. Bumr50
    109 | August 4, 2010 1:06 pm

    @ PaladinPhil:

    Do Canadian terrorists SKATE?

    Lol. Couldn’t help myself.


  110. Jorline
    110 | August 4, 2010 1:06 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    Has zero even mentioned the black racist who massacred 8 innocent people?

    Beer Summit….oops, he dead.

    Actually, I’m waiting for O to condemn the “stupid” comments made by the shooters fellow employees. I heard on the radio this morning that the shooter claimed to get five of those making racist comments.


  111. NoThreat2U
    111 | August 4, 2010 1:07 pm

    @ Rodan:
    The thing that whips the right into frustration over illegals is the left insisting that they are entitled to things that even American citizens are not entitled to. In state tuitions ring a bell. We are letting them control the narrative and this has to stop. The left is always on the offense. We need a better defense. The statement about rich asians doesn’t even make sense. They fly here to have their babies and then fly back? To where? Home maybe?? Maybe our medical facilities are better. They are not staying here obviously. They are not here demanding whole tracts of land be given to them to govern over.


  112. NoThreat2U
    112 | August 4, 2010 1:08 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Ready to strike at any moment??? You go!!


  113. vapig
    113 | August 4, 2010 1:08 pm

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    Best comment yet over at the Yahoo link to the beer thief/murderer story:
    “Kinda makes you think what Obama might do when he is fired”

    I love reading the yahoo comments on a given story. Those people are rabid! Good slice to show how truly divided America is along idealogical lines though! All kinds of foreigners weigh in too pretending to be Americans. They are called out as trolls real fast as your IP address can be read there. It’s a hoot!


  114. 114 | August 4, 2010 1:08 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    Illegal immigrant has become synonymous for Mexican. We need to better clarify ourselves when referring to illegals, or we do risk shunning hispanics. We should probably be a little more careful.

    That’s the point I have been trying to make. Too many on the Right have turned it into some culture war. Rather than get Hispanics who hate the Illegals on your side, what it does is create a seige mentality.

    People forget Hsipanics are part of Western Civilization and are the Ethnic kin of Italians and Greeks.
    Also there is a big difefrence between legal Hispanics who tend to be of European or Mixed European orgins and Illegals who tend to be just Hispanicized Indians.

    This is an Immigration and crime enforcement issue. ALos there is a slavery aspect to this as well. The Elites wnat slaves and the illegals are just that. They are slaves.


  115. 115 | August 4, 2010 1:08 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    It redistributesd the wealth inot the hands of Obama’s friends. The stimulus/porkzilla has to be the biggest bank heist in all of history, and Obama got away with it.


  116. Bumr50
    116 | August 4, 2010 1:09 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Their kids get American citizenship. However, we seem to be turning away the educated immigrants.


  117. NoThreat2U
    117 | August 4, 2010 1:11 pm

    @ Rodan:
    All blame lies with the left.


  118. huckfunn
    118 | August 4, 2010 1:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    It was just a fringe on the Right at one time, but now it’s starting to become mainstream. There are agitators manipulating people’s frustrations with the Illegal issue and blaming every ill in society, on not just illegals, but on Hispanics in general.

    I just don’t see that as being mainstream here in Texas. That was undoubtedly true many years ago but not now. It’s just about impossible for that to happen as Hispanics are so well assimilated in politics, media, all levels of business as well as in the population due to inter-marriage. It simply isn’t a “mainstream” problem here.


  119. vapig
    119 | August 4, 2010 1:12 pm

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    @ The Osprey:
    @ Rodan:
    @ NoThreat2U:
    Fuck the racism shit. This pisses me off. This trip is a fucking PRIVATE visit, so it’s another fucking vacation for these lazy assholes, and they bring along 40 fucking friends and reserved 60 rooms, cheapest one is about $500 a night up to $3000 for a suite.
    Could you imagine if Bush was still in office with with 17% of the nation unemployed and Laura took a trip like this?

    Well, now that the Gulf cleaned itself they have to spend that 20 Billion slushfund somehow!

    How much you want to bet that money just got disappeared?


  120. 120 | August 4, 2010 1:13 pm

    @ vapig:

    Yes the Catholic Church has dropped the ball on this one. They have allowed the Liberation thrology to take over the poorer parishes. In the Middle and upper clas parishes, it’s still standard Catholic teachings.

    Remebre that Mecha militant who said, they were the Northern Front of the 3rd World Liberation Movement? He wasn’t lying.

    That is who is behind Mecha and La Raza. The 3rd World Movement and their Progressive allies. Add in the Muzzies and what we are seeing is a Global anti-Capitalist/Western Civilization movement.

    President Obama is part of this Tranzi movement.


  121. NoThreat2U
    121 | August 4, 2010 1:13 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    And those are two points the right needs to bring up when they mention the 14th amemdment and why it needs better clarification. All the left and illegals hear is “Throw out the Mexicans because they are Mexican”. That is NOT the issue at all really. I sure wish someone would pay for my kids to go to college anywhere in the US with in state tuition prices.


  122. 122 | August 4, 2010 1:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    It was just a fringe on the Right at one time, but now it’s starting to become mainstream. There are agitators manipulating people’s frustrations with the Illegal issue and blaming every ill in society, on not just illegals, but on Hispanics in general.

    It doesn’t help when you have Mexicans come here and protest for their “rights” in the street waving Mexican Flags. That wasreally the breaking point for me. That is when it went for an immigration problem and became an invasion/cultural war.


  123. 123 | August 4, 2010 1:14 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    I think that “Hispanophobia on the right” is only a fringe minority. Having lived in Texas since 1970, I find that Mexicans who assimiltated and have been here for generations are well accepted at all levels of society. The illegals are looked down on by both Anglos and assimilated Mexicans.

    I don’t see it in my part of N.M. Down south around Roswell and east near Texas may be different, but most of NM from Santa Rosa north is too Hispanic for any racism to be overt. Hispanics here tend to be split on illegal immigration. There are so few conservatives here we can’t afford to be racist. BTW most of the Hispanic here have been here for hundreds of years so its not they who have assimilated, its the rest of us.


  124. chickadee
    124 | August 4, 2010 1:14 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    @ Bumr50:
    @ huckfunn:

    zero doesn’t give a shit. Period. He looks at this massacre as payback.
    He spent 20 years listening to and quoting a racist demon say vicious things abt. Amerikkka and white people whose greed runs a world in need.

    I really fear there will be more of this, thanks to the pos in the WH.
    He has a vendetta against white Americans. He is a racist himself.


  125. 125 | August 4, 2010 1:15 pm

    @ vapig:

    It got redistributed. What do you think Michelle is doing in Spain?


  126. vapig
    126 | August 4, 2010 1:15 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    I haven’t heard much about that, thanks for the heads-up.
    I’ll take a crackdown any way that I can get it.
    This Immigration problem is beyond Mexicans. Russians Mobsters, Irish Ex IRA, Asian Gangs and Muzzies are all taking advantage.
    The only reason that Mexicans are mentioned is because they are the majority. However some on the Right hate Hispanics, so they are using this issue to turn us into Boogeymen. It’s Hispanophobia raging on the Right and it’s turning off many Conservative leaning Hispanics.

    I don’t believe that. The right doesn’t hate hispanics -- nobody cared about them until several years ago with the in-your-face demonstrations they started. 1 million strong in the streets of LA and other cities and the SHEER ARROGANCE AND DEFIANCE was just quite galling, to tell you the truth. That’s when people started to say WTF???


  127. 127 | August 4, 2010 1:16 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Oh I know Texas isn’t like that at all. Between the intermarriages and the shared Texan culture that doesn’t fly down there.

    The whole Hispanophobia thing seems to be really more a Conservative Media/Blog thing, Not real grass roots Conservatives. It’s just the Hispanophobes are spreading lies and people don’t realize who teh sources are.


  128. Bob in Breckenridge
    128 | August 4, 2010 1:17 pm

    vapig wrote:

    “Kinda makes you think what Obama might do when he is fired”
    I love reading the yahoo comments on a given story. Those people are rabid!

    I posted this at the very end of the last thread- Best comment from the
    yahoo story-

    you white racist klansmen, racism is part of the white person’s dna.
    that is why blacks cannot be racist.

    was it blacks who dropped 2 atomic bombs on the japanese?
    was it blacks who instituted slavery in america?
    was it blacks who robbed mexico of half it’s territory?
    was it blacks who killed off the native americans?
    was it blacks who bomb muslim countries?

    how about it, you white racist crackers?


  129. Eliana
    129 | August 4, 2010 1:17 pm

    The expensive vacation for Michelle and the kids (40 people in all?) is starting to sound like the yearly $300+ million vacations that the Saudi Royals take each year.


  130. 130 | August 4, 2010 1:19 pm

    @ vapig:

    Yes the Progressives used their slaves (Illegals) to create this problem. The issue is too many on teh Right has fallen for their trap instead of analyzing and realize this is all contrived.

    I think teh Muzzies have a hand in this. The Muzzies hate Hispanics and they hate WHite Americans. Well why not whip up tensions between the 2 so they can set up their Mosques and push Sharia law.

    That’s who I think is really behind this tension.


  131. NoThreat2U
    131 | August 4, 2010 1:19 pm

    @ Eliana:
    Good..then put the Sasquatch in a burkha. lol


  132. 132 | August 4, 2010 1:20 pm

    @ vapig:

    I could sit there all day and stir the pot.


  133. Jorline
    133 | August 4, 2010 1:20 pm

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    how about it, you white racist crackers?

    Cheese and wine with those crackers?


  134. Eliana
    134 | August 4, 2010 1:20 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Good..then put the Sasquatch in a burkha. lol

    :lol:


  135. 135 | August 4, 2010 1:20 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:

    The Progressives are pushing this so the Right will bite. It’s working and I take my hat off to them.


  136. NoThreat2U
    136 | August 4, 2010 1:20 pm

    Serious question: Did even Hillary abuse her status as First Lady in the way that Michelle is? Anyone have comparative examples? I am really curious.


  137. NoThreat2U
    137 | August 4, 2010 1:21 pm

    @ Eliana:
    Hey if she wants to act like a Saudi princess, she should dress as one. lol Oh and I am waiting for the next installment of Eliana news. lol


  138. vapig
    138 | August 4, 2010 1:22 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Exactly! We grew up with hispanics in our neighborhoods. Friends, neighbors, schoolmates -- it was all good and they brought cultural color to the neighborhoods with their pinatas at birthday parties (you mean you get to break something on purpose and you get candy? COOL!). It’s this cultural filth that has been exported destroying neighborhoods with an utter contempt for our country and culture (like throwing your garbage out your window is so damned superior?) and the absolute refusal to integrate. Refusing to learn the language and destroying our schools and hospitals. Forget it -- it’s an invasion and they are out to destroy -- not produce!


  139. Eliana
    139 | August 4, 2010 1:22 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Serious question: Did even Hillary abuse her status as First Lady in the way that Michelle is? Anyone have comparative examples? I am really curious.

    My understanding is that she and the other First Ladies had one employee each (an assistant) rather than the 30 or so assistants that Michelle has hired to work for her.

    Michelle is WAY over the top on things like this.


  140. 140 | August 4, 2010 1:22 pm

    @ Rancher:

    The New Mexico Hispanics came with the Conquests. They are descended of Spaniards, Portugues and itlians and some mixed Indian blood in them.

    The only reason may be split on the illegal issue is how the Left has manipulated the issue.


  141. 141 | August 4, 2010 1:23 pm

    @ Rodan:

    The slave issues are never mentioned, doesn’t fit the MSM leftists agenda.


  142. Eliana
    142 | August 4, 2010 1:24 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Hey if she wants to act like a Saudi princess, she should dress as one. lol

    Yeah, I think she should dress the part, too!

    Oh and I am waiting for the next installment of Eliana news. lol

    Thanks! :-)


  143. NoThreat2U
    143 | August 4, 2010 1:25 pm

    @ Eliana:
    Wow! She thinks she is Queen of the World. I really feel sorry for their children. I can just imagine a cold cold parent-child relationship.


  144. NoThreat2U
    144 | August 4, 2010 1:25 pm

    @ Eliana:
    I don’t have enough humor in my life so I NEED my Eliana News updates. :)


  145. 145 | August 4, 2010 1:25 pm

    @ vapig:

    At the same time, Schools put Hispanic immigrants into ESL classes. They refuse to teach them English. But Immigrants from Russia and elsewhere are put in English classes. I saw this with my own eyes.

    When I left Catholic SChool and was put in Public School, the administrators wanted me (American born), to be put in ESL. My Mom had to produce my birth certificate to PROVE I was born here. Nevermind I speak perfect Enlish. I almost got put in an ESL class.


  146. Bob in Breckenridge
    146 | August 4, 2010 1:26 pm

    Jorline wrote:

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:
    how about it, you white racist crackers?
    Cheese and wine with those crackers?

    More like cheese and whine, lol.


  147. huckfunn
    147 | August 4, 2010 1:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Oh I know Texas isn’t like that at all. Between the intermarriages and the shared Texan culture that doesn’t fly down there.

    The whole Hispanophobia thing seems to be really more a Conservative Media/Blog thing, Not real grass roots Conservatives. It’s just the Hispanophobes are spreading lies and people don’t realize who teh sources are.

    The main source of any racist crap is the media. They look to exploit racial divides in every event and every topic. They are the enemy of us all.


  148. 148 | August 4, 2010 1:27 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    The slave issues are never mentioned, doesn’t fit the MSM leftists agenda.

    Exactly because it is Slavery!


  149. Jorline
    149 | August 4, 2010 1:27 pm

    Dog Saves Michigan Man’s Life by Chewing Off His Toe

    ROCKFORD, Mich. — A Michigan man says he’s grateful his dog ate most of his toe while he was passed out drunk.

    Jerry Douthett of Rockford says his Jack Russell terrier
    , Kiko, helped uncover an undiagnosed diabetic condition and led to treatment that could save his life—even if it meant losing his toe.


  150. Bumr50
    150 | August 4, 2010 1:27 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Public school was probably incentivized to have you in ESL.


  151. 151 | August 4, 2010 1:27 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Exactly!


  152. Eliana
    152 | August 4, 2010 1:27 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    {NoThreat2U}


  153. vapig
    153 | August 4, 2010 1:28 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    The thing that whips the right into frustration over illegals is the left insisting that they are entitled to things that even American citizens are not entitled to. In state tuitions ring a bell. We are letting them control the narrative and this has to stop. The left is always on the offense. We need a better defense. The statement about rich asians doesn’t even make sense. They fly here to have their babies and then fly back? To where? Home maybe?? Maybe our medical facilities are better. They are not staying here obviously. They are not here demanding whole tracts of land be given to them to govern over.

    Think that through. You have a bunch of Chinese -- not our friends -- who are flying here to give birth to -- AMERICANS -- whom they then take home and educate in mother China. When they grow up the Chinese can literally send an army of AMERICANS over to invade us and we can’t stop them.


  154. Jorline
    154 | August 4, 2010 1:28 pm

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    Jorline wrote:
    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:
    how about it, you white racist crackers?
    Cheese and wine with those crackers?

    More like cheese and whine, lol.

    pimf on me…lol


  155. Tanker
    155 | August 4, 2010 1:29 pm

    Sorry, haven’t had time to read the whole thread. Just in case it hasn’t been said above. Thanks for the report McAsshole, but it’s still time for your sorry ass to retire! Try it, you may enjoy it, I reallllly know I’d be happier!


  156. Philip_Daniel
    156 | August 4, 2010 1:29 pm

    Completely off-topic:

    The lives of Jews in Islamic-occupied Sicily (the Kalbid emirate of al-Siqiliyya) were marked by intolerable fiscal oppression…

    [The fiscal penalties consisted of] a great burden of over seventeen tari. They [the Jews] were sorry and preferred death to life. Most of them are poor and destitute. Through fear of the rulers, many went bankrupt, and unfortunately some fled overseas.

    From a pre-1020 letter by a Jewish merchant residing in Sicily, quoted here.

    Also, Dr. Andrew Bostom has come across some interesting insights by John Locke regarding the nature of al-Ummat al-Muslimin here


  157. 157 | August 4, 2010 1:29 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Public school is an awful thing. I often say (with good reason) that the only thing I learned in public school was to fight with a knife. Not so much knife fighting technique (although I had one homeroom teacher that was an ex-Rangger/mercenary that taught me a few things), but the instinct to yank a blade when violence ensues. When you will cut people, and people know you will cut people, you don’t usually get much static.


  158. NoThreat2U
    158 | August 4, 2010 1:30 pm

    @ Rodan:
    That is because the hispanics are a protected class, which makes them lower on the ladder. Therefore, more federal funding if most of your students can’t speak english. It really is as simple as that.


  159. 159 | August 4, 2010 1:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    The Progressives are pushing this so the Right will bite. It’s working and I take my hat off to them.

    I think its biting them in the ass. That’s how you get 70% of Americans supporting Arizona, that’s more than just the right. I know Mexican Americans here hate that crap.


  160. 160 | August 4, 2010 1:30 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Public school was probably incentivized to have you in ESL.

    Yeah and they do it only to Hispanic students. I saw it with my own eyes. Russians had to go straight into regular classes. Heck theere was even a couple of Italians who were put in straight Enslish classes. Keep in mind Italian and Spanish are related languages.

    I experienced Progressive racism, which is why I hate them. But when I see some on the Right being anti-Hispanic, I call it out also.

    I just want to be a normal American who can be proud of my Heritage and it seems I’m not allowed. The Left views me as a slave and some on teh Right just hate me. It’s like I get shot at from both sides.


  161. NoThreat2U
    161 | August 4, 2010 1:31 pm

    @ vapig:
    Hmmmmm…..another way of looking at it I guess.


  162. vapig
    162 | August 4, 2010 1:31 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    It was just a fringe on the Right at one time, but now it’s starting to become mainstream. There are agitators manipulating people’s frustrations with the Illegal issue and blaming every ill in society, on not just illegals, but on Hispanics in general.
    It doesn’t help when you have Mexicans come here and protest for their “rights” in the street waving Mexican Flags. That wasreally the breaking point for me. That is when it went for an immigration problem and became an invasion/cultural war.

    Ditto for me too! I just could not believe my eyes!


  163. Jorline
    163 | August 4, 2010 1:33 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    Sorry, haven’t had time to read the whole thread. Just in case it hasn’t been said above. Thanks for the report McAsshole, but it’s still time for your sorry ass to retire! Try it, you may enjoy it, I reallllly know I’d be happier!

    A lot of people are enjoying retirement.

    Federal Workers Pocketed ‘Fraudulent’ Social Security Payments, GAO Finds


  164. vapig
    164 | August 4, 2010 1:33 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    @ NoThreat2U:
    @ Bumr50:
    @ huckfunn:
    zero doesn’t give a shit. Period. He looks at this massacre as payback.
    He spent 20 years listening to and quoting a racist demon say vicious things abt. Amerikkka and white people whose greed runs a world in need.
    I really fear there will be more of this, thanks to the pos in the WH.
    He has a vendetta against white Americans. He is a racist himself.

    He is -- he can’t ever keep the snear off his face when he’s in the room with a white person. And on the view, he couldn’t even acknowledge his white half. He really is loathsome!


  165. Eliana
    165 | August 4, 2010 1:35 pm

    @ Rodan:

    At the same time, Schools put Hispanic immigrants into ESL classes. They refuse to teach them English. But Immigrants from Russia and elsewhere are put in English classes. I saw this with my own eyes.

    There were millions of Jewish immigrants from Russia and nearby areas around 100 years ago who spoke Yiddish and some other Eastern European languages. Their children went to American schools in English speaking classrooms and turned into native English speakers with American accents very quickly.

    Kids are people who recently learned their native language from their parents and other kids so adding on another language (or several other languages) is literally child’s play for them!

    The progressives claim that they are CELEBRATING DIVERSITY when they put Hispanic kids into Spanish speaking classrooms so that they won’t have to learn English, but they are doing TREMENDOUS HARM to these kids (and to the futures of these kids).

    The progressives might as well tell them, “You’re only here for a little while so don’t bother learning English. Use our schools for a bit and then get the hell out of here.”

    It’s conservatives who want these kids in America to learn English!


  166. NoThreat2U
    166 | August 4, 2010 1:36 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I think another reason is generational immigration. You may have a new family from Russia come in. Chances are, most south American immigrants are probably children of children of children of illegals. No one in that family has spoken English for 50 years. To help the child, the parents would have to speak English too. We have let this problem get out of hand. We should have made learning English our number one priority for all who lice and work here. No more bilingual this and that. Learn it or leave. Seems to me that some cultures, whether here illegally or not, choose to learn to speak the language to blend in and get by. The SAs don’t care if they can’t speak the lingo, What are we gonna do, throw them out? Nope…and they know this. There is no incentive to assimilate. They are being told they have a right to everything in this country.


  167. Bob in Breckenridge
    167 | August 4, 2010 1:37 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    Serious question: Did even Hillary abuse her status as First Lady in the way that Michelle is? Anyone have comparative examples? I am really curious.

    YES SHE DID!!!

    According to Melanne Verveer, Clinton’s former chief of staff and nearly constant travel companion, the 12-day trip to South Asia, which included stops in Pakistan, India, Nepal, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, was just one example of Clinton’s important international efforts in championing women’s and children’s issues.

    But that’s not how the Calcutta Telegraph saw it at the time.

    “For someone billed as one of the most able and sensitized minds of the American administration, Ms. Clinton was singularly insensate and solely decorative today,” the paper stated. “She did speak a few sentences at Prayas [school]. … But it could just as well have been Lady Diana, Jane Fonda or (Miss World) Aishwarya Rai speaking.”

    Hillary traveled a lot, to 82 countries.


  168. 168 | August 4, 2010 1:37 pm

    Eliana wrote:

    @ NoThreat2U:
    Serious question: Did even Hillary abuse her status as First Lady in the way that Michelle is? Anyone have comparative examples? I am really curious.
    My understanding is that she and the other First Ladies had one employee each (an assistant) rather than the 30 or so assistants that Michelle has hired to work for her.
    Michelle is WAY over the top on things like this.

    Someone in the OBM should sugest a single R2 unit, I hear they can do the work of forty hand maids and will let you win at chess when coaxed by wise counsel.


  169. Bob in Breckenridge
    169 | August 4, 2010 1:38 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    Chelsea was with her on that trip.


  170. 170 | August 4, 2010 1:38 pm

    @ vapig:

    Exactly! The Chinese think long-term. Comes from being one of the oldest civilizations on the planet. We should end the anchor-baby bullshit. The 14th was written the way it was to protect the children of freed slaves. That is all done now. There are no slaves to free (unless you count Mexican wage slaves, but they are free to go back to Mexico any time they choose, so they aren’t really slaves). Time to end it. If we won’t defend our culture and nation, it will be overrun and destroyed. This is the cold hard lesson of history that the Progs want us to forget.


  171. vapig
    171 | August 4, 2010 1:38 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Oh I know Texas isn’t like that at all. Between the intermarriages and the shared Texan culture that doesn’t fly down there.
    The whole Hispanophobia thing seems to be really more a Conservative Media/Blog thing, Not real grass roots Conservatives. It’s just the Hispanophobes are spreading lies and people don’t realize who teh sources are.

    I’m going to have to disagree. It’s the left that have made this all about race and put conservatives constantly on the defensive -- Alinsky style. For conservatives this is about the rule of law and an invasion of probably 50 million people. It’s insane!

    Besides, nobody is happy about zero’s illegal aunt being allowed to stay! And some of the numbers the left uses for Irish illegals is just tomfoolery. 5 million? Please! That’s the entire population of the country!


  172. Philip_Daniel
    172 | August 4, 2010 1:38 pm

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    was it blacks who bomb muslim countries?

    Apparently this person has never heard of the Revolt of the Zanj — the Black Slave Revolt — in Iraq between AD 869-883. He or she is also ignorant of the continued enslavement of Blacks by Arabs in Niger, Chad, Mauritania, Sudan, the Gulf emirates, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Oman. Furthermore, this person is not aware that WHITE Egyptian Muslims manning MIGs killed thousands of innocent Black Christian Igbos in Biafra between 1967 and 1970. There are descendants of black slaves taken by Muslim Turks not only in Anatolia, but as far north as Abkhazia in Georgia! The texts of ibn al-Qayyim al-Jawziyya, al-Tirmidhi, al-Tabrizi, and various other highly-esteemed mufasirin are replete with anti-black sentiment, as are the works of members of the Islamic intelligentsia such as ibn Khaldun.


  173. snork
    173 | August 4, 2010 1:39 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    I have another theory about that, but not enough room to develop it here. In short: there’s a reason why the concept of a poor white farmer was such a counterintuitive epiphany to Shirly Sherrod. If you understand ahy that is, Michelle Obama becomes a lot easier to explain.


  174. Bob in Breckenridge
    174 | August 4, 2010 1:40 pm

    Eliana wrote:

    The expensive vacation for Michelle and the kids (40 people in all?) is starting to sound like the yearly $300+ million vacations that the Saudi Royals take each year.

    Has to be more than 40- They reserved sixty suites and rooms costing from $500 to $3000 a night. Those assholes really do think they’re royalty.


  175. vapig
    175 | August 4, 2010 1:41 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:

    Oh I would have had some choice words for that little racist! I swear race relations in this country has gone straight to hell with this POSPOTUS!


  176. NoThreat2U
    176 | August 4, 2010 1:41 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    Yeah but these trips by Michelle are all because she “needs to get away”. At least Hillary pretended she was going for a reason. lol


  177. Jorline
    177 | August 4, 2010 1:41 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:

    Hillary traveled a lot, to 82 countries.

    That was understandable, her husband was hard and screwing around at work.


  178. Eliana
    178 | August 4, 2010 1:43 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    To help the child, the parents would have to speak English too.

    I’ve met a lot of Jews in New York over the years who have told me that they spoke nothing but Yiddish in their homes and learned English in kindergarten.

    Their parents knew English but they still spoke Yiddish at home.

    Kids interact with kids while playing and I really think that a lot of the language development in children comes from their time with other kids.

    The Spanish speaking kids who are put into classes with other Spanish speaking kids aren’t getting the kind of interaction they need with English speaking kids.

    In Israel, English speaking immigrants to Israel have told me that they speak English to their kids at home to make sure that they can speak fluent English, but the kids learn fluent Hebrew when they go out and play.

    Kids are remarkable when it comes to language learning abilities!


  179. vapig
    179 | August 4, 2010 1:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ vapig:
    Yes the Progressives used their slaves (Illegals) to create this problem. The issue is too many on teh Right has fallen for their trap instead of analyzing and realize this is all contrived.
    I think teh Muzzies have a hand in this. The Muzzies hate Hispanics and they hate WHite Americans. Well why not whip up tensions between the 2 so they can set up their Mosques and push Sharia law.
    That’s who I think is really behind this tension.

    I don’t think the muzz have anything to do with this -- it’s been going on too long. Not that they would exploit it -- but this is a prog plan to change the demographics of the country from a predominately white protestant work ethic to a serf class. The gop has been in on it too!


  180. NoThreat2U
    180 | August 4, 2010 1:44 pm

    @ snork:
    When you have the time and the inclination, I would love to hear your theory :)


  181. Philip_Daniel
    181 | August 4, 2010 1:44 pm

    Also, if racism is in the White Man’s DNA, then what was all the historical fuss over the myth of Prester John, the King of Abyssinia besieged by bloodthirsty mujahedin, and his purported benevolence, piety, and strength? Why would Cristovao da Gama have fought alongside Black Ethiopians against the Adal Sultanate of Somalia? Wouldn’t his “racism” have precluded him from assisting fellow Christians whose empire was being invaded by a nearby Islamic empire?

    As Hugh Fitzgerald and Ibn Warraq, among others, have noted, why is there no equivalent to William Wilberforce in the history of the deen of tawhid al-ubudiyyah?


  182. NoThreat2U
    182 | August 4, 2010 1:44 pm

    Jorline wrote:

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    Hillary traveled a lot, to 82 countries.
    That was understandable, her husband was hard and screwing around at work.


  183. Tanker
    183 | August 4, 2010 1:44 pm

    @ Jorline:

    This doesn’t surprise me much. I just know when I retire (1 Mar 2011) after my tour is completed the VA will find a way to screw me on disability claims.

    PS: Is it just me or is it taking for ever to update the page today. May just shut it down and restart my computer!


  184. taxfreekiller
    184 | August 4, 2010 1:44 pm

    Of some note:

    Dear Iran Mullas,

    The commie Democrats in the U.S. are in deep shit come Nov..

    In order to save thier hide, your ass’s are on the line.

    If you do not back down on the nukes, these commie Democrat
    thugs will bomb your ass’s out of existance to stay in power.

    just a heads up


  185. vapig
    185 | August 4, 2010 1:45 pm

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    @ vapig:
    I could sit there all day and stir the pot.

    Oh absolutley! I’ve thrown my share of bombs into that cesspool and just sat back and watched the frenzy! I DO end up with more thumbs ups than downs!


  186. Jorline
    186 | August 4, 2010 1:45 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    Jorline wrote:
    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    Hillary traveled a lot, to 82 countries.
    That was understandable, her husband was hard and screwing around at work.

    lmao…cigar?


  187. Bumr50
    187 | August 4, 2010 1:45 pm

    @ snork:

    I used to joke with a friend of mine when we were broke that I’d just go withdraw some cash from my “white person fund.”


  188. NoThreat2U
    188 | August 4, 2010 1:46 pm

    @ Eliana:
    Think of it as reinfocement of learning a new language. Speaking only Spanish at home may be fine, but it doesn’t help if they are only speaking Spanish in school too. Where does the practicing of your new language come into play. These kids need to practice their new found skill. But being kept segregated they can’t.


  189. Jorline
    189 | August 4, 2010 1:47 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    @ Jorline:
    This doesn’t surprise me much. I just know when I retire (1 Mar 2011) after my tour is completed the VA will find a way to screw me on disability claims.
    PS: Is it just me or is it taking for ever to update the page today. May just shut it down and restart my computer!

    Tanker, your government would never screw you over.
    ////////////////////////////////////


  190. huckfunn
    190 | August 4, 2010 1:48 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    PS: Is it just me or is it taking for ever to update the page today. May just shut it down and restart my computer!

    As was discussed in a couple of previous threads, Firefox seems to have issues with us blogmeisters. If you’re running Firefox or Internet Exploder, I recommend switching to Google Chrome.


  191. Eliana
    191 | August 4, 2010 1:48 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Think of it as reinfocement of learning a new language. Speaking only Spanish at home may be fine, but it doesn’t help if they are only speaking Spanish in school too. Where does the practicing of your new language come into play. These kids need to practice their new found skill. But being kept segregated they can’t.

    Absolutely right!!!

    It’s progressives doing the segregating and they pat themselves on the backs for it. Disgusting!


  192. vapig
    192 | August 4, 2010 1:48 pm

    Eliana wrote:

    @ NoThreat2U:
    Hey if she wants to act like a Saudi princess, she should dress as one. lol
    Yeah, I think she should dress the part, too!
    Oh and I am waiting for the next installment of Eliana news. lol
    Thanks!

    If she would just cover up those man-arms I’d be happy!


  193. Jorline
    193 | August 4, 2010 1:48 pm

    Times are tough everywhere.

    Unhappy robber: Gunman calls restaurant to gripe


  194. NoThreat2U
    194 | August 4, 2010 1:50 pm

    @ Eliana:
    They like to hold them down! Oh how I wish these people could see how they are being used!!!


  195. vapig
    195 | August 4, 2010 1:50 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ Eliana:
    Wow! She thinks she is Queen of the World. I really feel sorry for their children. I can just imagine a cold cold parent-child relationship.

    They must be horrible parents! Can you imagine being a child and your own mother going on national TV telling everybody you’re FAT????? OMG! Nevermind you’re a skinny beanpole of a thing, your mom just told everybody your fat! For POLITICS!! It’s so cynical!


  196. NoThreat2U
    196 | August 4, 2010 1:51 pm

    @ vapig:
    She needs to pay a little less attention to her arms while at the gym, and focus on her big ass. No, not her husband, her OTHER big ass. You know, the one she drags behind her. lol


  197. NoThreat2U
    197 | August 4, 2010 1:52 pm

    @ vapig:
    Just wait until they are teenagers and rebel. lol lol I hope they turn out to be fine young ladies. Sometimes it works out that way. Shitty parents don’t always raise shitty kids. SOmetime kids learn how NOT to be like their parents.


  198. vapig
    198 | August 4, 2010 1:53 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ vapig:
    At the same time, Schools put Hispanic immigrants into ESL classes. They refuse to teach them English. But Immigrants from Russia and elsewhere are put in English classes. I saw this with my own eyes.
    When I left Catholic SChool and was put in Public School, the administrators wanted me (American born), to be put in ESL. My Mom had to produce my birth certificate to PROVE I was born here. Nevermind I speak perfect Enlish. I almost got put in an ESL class.

    That’s BS! I remember they passed a law in CA that forbade this. For several years the kids were thriving and graduated highly educated. Well -- can’t have THAT! So the progs just renamed the program and re-segregated the foreign kids -- a lot of them legal immigrants at the time, too! The parents were furious!


  199. Bumr50
    199 | August 4, 2010 1:54 pm

    @ Jorline:

    What’s sad is that he got over 500 bucks from a Wendy’s register and he’s too stupid to know that he made out on the deal. That’s a lot of cash for a fast-food register -- especially if they’re dropping regularly.

    Probably never had a job, and assumes Wendy’s usually has THOUSANDS on hand.


  200. 200 | August 4, 2010 1:55 pm

    Jorline wrote:

    Times are tough everywhere.
    Unhappy robber: Gunman calls restaurant to gripe

    Well at least he hasn’t gone back and killed everyone for the slieght yet.


  201. NoThreat2U
    201 | August 4, 2010 1:55 pm

    @ vapig:
    It’s all about federal monies!! When my kids were in school, if you got a C grade…in any class, they put you in special ed. NO SHIT! More special needs student = more money.


  202. vapig
    202 | August 4, 2010 1:55 pm

    @ Rodan:

    OTOH, I also remember some idgit wanting to put some east coast kids into “special” ed for speech theropy because of their accents. Sometimes the stupid runs deep in progs!


  203. The Osprey
    203 | August 4, 2010 1:57 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    So did you guys hear that the Omar who shot those people at the beer warehouse did it because of “racism”? They have him on camera stealing beer, but they are all racists. lol

    Free beer is liquid reparations.


  204. NoThreat2U
    204 | August 4, 2010 1:57 pm

    @ vapig:
    Holy hell! Now we all have to SOUND alike too??????? Where do these people come from??????


  205. NoThreat2U
    205 | August 4, 2010 1:58 pm

    @ The Osprey:
    Yeah he thought he was getting one over on whitey. lol Tell it to satan ya murderer!


  206. Bumr50
    206 | August 4, 2010 1:58 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    They were SO racist that they hired him to a good-paying job in a down economy. Bastatrds.


  207. Eliana
    207 | August 4, 2010 1:59 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    They like to hold them down! Oh how I wish these people could see how they are being used!!!

    Progressives really do like to hold them down! I wish these people could see how they’re being used, too.


  208. Jorline
    208 | August 4, 2010 2:00 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Jorline:
    What’s sad is that he got over 500 bucks from a Wendy’s register and he’s too stupid to know that he made out on the deal. That’s a lot of cash for a fast-food register – especially if they’re dropping regularly.
    Probably never had a job, and assumes Wendy’s usually has THOUSANDS on hand.

    Yep…I own a restaurant and we make as many as eight drops a day, plus over half of my sales are credit card…sol there.


  209. Jorline
    209 | August 4, 2010 2:01 pm

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    Jorline wrote:
    Times are tough everywhere.
    Unhappy robber: Gunman calls restaurant to gripe
    Well at least he hasn’t gone back and killed everyone for the slieght yet.

    lol…he need to try the drive-thru next time…it’s faster.


  210. vapig
    210 | August 4, 2010 2:02 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    The Progressives are pushing this so the Right will bite. It’s working and I take my hat off to them.
    I think its biting them in the ass. That’s how you get 70% of Americans supporting Arizona, that’s more than just the right. I know Mexican Americans here hate that crap.

    Same here. I was talking to a co-worker and for some reason he just went OFF one day! He started ranting about the illegals and he looks at me and says, “Obviously I’m of hispanic ancestry, but these people are FILTH! I had to move my whole family because I feared for my daughters!” I gave him my sympathy -- but I still knew it would catch up to him because he lives in Maryland. I sure hope he changed jobs and moved here to Virginia!


  211. 211 | August 4, 2010 2:02 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    At the same time, Schools put Hispanic immigrants into ESL classes. They refuse to teach them English. But Immigrants from Russia and elsewhere are put in English classes. I saw this with my own eyes.
    When I left Catholic SChool and was put in Public School, the administrators wanted me (American born), to be put in ESL. My Mom had to produce my birth certificate to PROVE I was born here. Nevermind I speak perfect Enlish. I almost got put in an ESL class.

    Damn! That’s plain crazy. When my wife went to school she couldn’t speak English. She went to Catholic school and had to sink or swim so she swam. When she transferred to public school in third grade some of her classmates spoke poor English and were behind all the way through high school. Total emersion is the best way to learn a language, especially if you’re young. ESL hurts much more than it helps.


  212. NoThreat2U
    212 | August 4, 2010 2:03 pm

    @ Eliana:
    If they would just open their eyes and see what they are capable of having in a capitalistic society. Ohhh the progs would be in trouble!!! That is the message we need to hammer home to them. Not this “we are not racists” cry of defeat.


  213. huckfunn
    213 | August 4, 2010 2:03 pm

    Eliana wrote:

    @ NoThreat2U:

    They like to hold them down! Oh how I wish these people could see how they are being used!!!

    Progressives really do like to hold them down! I wish these people could see how they’re being used, too.

    Rain of Lead posted this vid on the previous thread and it’s well worth a re-post.
    Runaway Slave


  214. NoThreat2U
    214 | August 4, 2010 2:05 pm

    @ Rancher:
    With ESL they are treating them like they are incapable of learning. Total immersion is the best way.


  215. Jorline
    215 | August 4, 2010 2:05 pm

    Breaking News: New York Yankees� Alex Rodriguez Hits 600th Career Home Run

    Must have been that double power booster shake last night.


  216. vapig
    216 | August 4, 2010 2:07 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I think another reason is generational immigration. You may have a new family from Russia come in. Chances are, most south American immigrants are probably children of children of children of illegals. No one in that family has spoken English for 50 years. To help the child, the parents would have to speak English too. We have let this problem get out of hand. We should have made learning English our number one priority for all who lice and work here. No more bilingual this and that. Learn it or leave. Seems to me that some cultures, whether here illegally or not, choose to learn to speak the language to blend in and get by. The SAs don’t care if they can’t speak the lingo, What are we gonna do, throw them out? Nope…and they know this. There is no incentive to assimilate. They are being told they have a right to everything in this country.

    The left want to balkinize this country. All you have to do is look north and see what happens to a bilingual country. There is no unity -- no “our” country in Canada. They are essentially two separate countries and that’s what the progs want here!


  217. taxfreekiller
    217 | August 4, 2010 2:11 pm

    If your developing a wage and vote slave base for your evil empire then ESL is just one more tool.@ Rancher:


  218. Bob in Breckenridge
    218 | August 4, 2010 2:11 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ Rancher:
    With ESL they are treating them like they are incapable of learning. Total immersion is the best way.

    Preferably in the Rio Grande.


  219. NoThreat2U
    219 | August 4, 2010 2:11 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Excellent video! I have posted that to my Facebook ;)


  220. taxfreekiller
    220 | August 4, 2010 2:12 pm

    ESL also creates more high paying teacher union jobs.@ NoThreat2U:


  221. lobo91
    221 | August 4, 2010 2:13 pm

    @ Tanker:

    This doesn’t surprise me much. I just know when I retire (1 Mar 2011) after my tour is completed the VA will find a way to screw me on disability claims.

    You wouldn’t believe the crap I’m going through right now just to get my tour approved.

    I’m pretty sure they’re just inventing new requirements as they go, trying to toss roadblocks in my path.

    It’s pretty sad when it’s this hard for someone to volunteer to go to Afghanistan…


  222. NoThreat2U
    222 | August 4, 2010 2:15 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    LOL I love it when you are angry ;)

    @ vapig:
    When OTMs come here, they are smart. If you don’t want your status to be questioned…look, act, talk and dress like the locals. Blend in. The South Americans are all about turning neighborhoods into little enclaves and staying just they way they were in their home country. Maybe if they tried to “blend” little more instead of being so in our faces with their presence…

    See what I’m saying?


  223. NoThreat2U
    223 | August 4, 2010 2:15 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:
    Really? I can believe that. There is an evil purpose behind every brilliant idea the progs have.


  224. 224 | August 4, 2010 2:16 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    They were being manipulated by progressives and so by making it a culture thing that playes right into the Left’s hand. That puts us Rightwing Hispanics ina predictatment, we are proud of our culture and heritage. We despise teh Left,. but the Hispanic bashing by the Right makes us leery. We get shot at from both angles hence the seige mentality.


  225. NoThreat2U
    225 | August 4, 2010 2:17 pm

    @ lobo91:
    You’re too old. You know what the score is and this regime doesn’t like it. They want the young malleable kids over there. They still believe in winning hearts and minds. SOmeone your age knows that is a load of bullshit.


  226. Philip_Daniel
    226 | August 4, 2010 2:17 pm

    vapig wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    OTOH, I also remember some idgit wanting to put some east coast kids into “special” ed for speech theropy because of their accents. Sometimes the stupid runs deep in progs!

    I must have been one of the test runs in Kindergarten for speech therapy in school (back in ’95)…


  227. 227 | August 4, 2010 2:18 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    There are no slaves to free (unless you count Mexican wage slaves, but they are free to go back to Mexico any time they choose, so they aren’t really slaves).

    Not to undermine your point, I agree with you on the 14th amendment, but there are a lot of illegal immigrant slaves. Real slaves, many are sex slaves. The Chinese are especially bad but all nationalities are involved. Our tax dollars may even be supporting it, remember the ACORN sting?


  228. vapig
    228 | August 4, 2010 2:19 pm

    vapig wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ vapig:
    At the same time, Schools put Hispanic immigrants into ESL classes. They refuse to teach them English. But Immigrants from Russia and elsewhere are put in English classes. I saw this with my own eyes.
    When I left Catholic SChool and was put in Public School, the administrators wanted me (American born), to be put in ESL. My Mom had to produce my birth certificate to PROVE I was born here. Nevermind I speak perfect Enlish. I almost got put in an ESL class.
    That’s BS! I remember they passed a law in CA that forbade this. For several years the kids were thriving and graduated highly educated. Well – can’t have THAT! So the progs just renamed the program and re-segregated the foreign kids – a lot of them legal immigrants at the time, too! The parents were furious!

    That came out wrong! What I meant to say was that what they tried to do to you was pure bullsh!t! Hating progs here!


  229. 229 | August 4, 2010 2:20 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Chances are, most south American immigrants are probably children of children of children of illegals.

    Absoltely not true. The majority of South American came here lagellay. How many illegal Argentines, Colombians, Ecuadoreans, Chileans, Brazilians and Venezuelans are there? They came here legally and their kids are put in ESL classes.

    I saw it with my own eyes.

    This assumption that Hispanics are illegal is exactly what I have been talking about. It’s a stereotype the Right is buying into.


  230. 230 | August 4, 2010 2:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    It’s pretty sad when it’s this hard for someone to volunteer to go to Afghanistan…

    Maybe they’re afraid you’ll win the war…

    :mrgreen:


  231. NoThreat2U
    231 | August 4, 2010 2:24 pm

    @ Rodan:
    This assumption that Hispanics are illegal is exactly what I have been talking about. It’s a stereotype the Right is buying into

    I radily admit that you are right. I will take my lumps. I would like to be educated on this more. Maybe it is because all hispanics are lumped into the they-are-all-poor-and-only-sneak-into-America-because-they-can’t-take-care-of-themselves narrative put out by the left??? I guess the right needs to find a different angle with which to approach illegal immigration.


  232. NoThreat2U
    232 | August 4, 2010 2:24 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    This isn’t about “winning”.
    //////// choking on it


  233. Bumr50
    233 | August 4, 2010 2:27 pm

    The girlfriend of the warehouse driver who went on a shooting rampage at a Connecticut beer distributor says he showed her evidence of racial harassment at work and that’s what drove him to retaliate.

    Twenty-six-year-old Kristi Hannah told The Associated Press he showed her photos he took with his cell phone of a picture drawn on a bathroom wall. It was a stick figure with a noose around his neck and the N-word

    OOOH. Well, I guess he was well within his rights then.

    //


  234. 234 | August 4, 2010 2:28 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    I guess the right needs to find a different angle with which to approach illegal immigration.

    That’s what I have been saying, the Right is playing into the Left’s trap. This pisses of legal Hispanics who are actually Conservative into voting for the Democrats or not voting at all.


  235. 235 | August 4, 2010 2:29 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Maybe it is because all hispanics are lumped into the they-are-all-poor-and-only-sneak-into-America-because-they-can’t-take-care-of-themselves narrative put out by the left???

    Hispanics fought Islam for 700 years and then copntrolled 1/4 of the Worls inclusing large parts of Europe for 150 years. History alone disproves this.


  236. NoThreat2U
    236 | August 4, 2010 2:31 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I have noticed quite often that you and I start on an issue. I come around one way, you come around the other…but we both end up agreeing in the long run. lol Now THAT is true debate.


  237. NoThreat2U
    237 | August 4, 2010 2:32 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Oh, and legal conservative hispanics…and even legal dem hispanics who feel slighted, should speak the hell up.


  238. lobo91
    238 | August 4, 2010 2:34 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    You’re too old. You know what the score is and this regime doesn’t like it. They want the young malleable kids over there. They still believe in winning hearts and minds. SOmeone your age knows that is a load of bullshit.

    That’s not the issue.

    This tour will qualify me for my active duty retirement. They don’t want to have to pay me.

    I qualified for my Reserve retirement 10 years ago, but I don’t get anything from that until I turn 60. The active duty retirement starts immediately.

    It’s all about money.

    Sort of ironic, given the current administration’s spending habits…


  239. 239 | August 4, 2010 2:34 pm

    @ Eliana:

    That is exactly what is going on. They don’t even teach us our history. Notice in American textbooks there is a gap in European history from about 1500 to 1650? You can figure out why.

    Most Conservatives do wnat us to learn English, but there are Conservatives who hate us and that’s the truth.


  240. NoThreat2U
    240 | August 4, 2010 2:36 pm

    @ lobo91:
    So sad that it all comes down to money. Well, I personally think if you are ready to go they should let you go dammit!


  241. 241 | August 4, 2010 2:37 pm

    @ Rodan:

    The answer is for legal Hispanics to be more vocal about opposing illegal immigration (all illegal immigration). The more legal Hispanics are viewed as being Open Borders, the more hostility that you will see on the Right. The hostiolity is to their position, not their racial/ethnic classification. The same is true for every race/ethnicity. How far do you think a Southern white (even a Southerner of mixed race such as myself) would get if he were defending the Ku Klux Klan? Do you think people would listen if he said “Yeah, they are wrong on race, but you have to understand their context“? When illegals are marching in American streets waving Mexican flags as if they were foreign conquerors, yeah, you are going to get some major push-back. What those illegals did was no different than the Klan burning a cross, except their intimidation was meant for whites more than other races.


  242. 242 | August 4, 2010 2:38 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    They try and get no support. The Progressives are trying to do to us what they did to the Blacks. Create a helpless dependent voting class. Conservative Hispanics get no assistance from other Conservatives.


  243. 243 | August 4, 2010 2:38 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    And I can already see the antennea of the stalkers lifting over that post. They’ll be shrieking “White Supremacist” before I have this post typed…


  244. NoThreat2U
    244 | August 4, 2010 2:39 pm

    Rodan you need a YouTube channel. You can speak to these quiet conservative. See how many followers you get. Expand beyong this blog.


  245. NoThreat2U
    245 | August 4, 2010 2:40 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Get out and march! They need a grassroots effort…complet with paper mache puppet heads. Get loud…get in their faces! It works for the left dammit!


  246. 246 | August 4, 2010 2:42 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Legal Hispanics have spoken out but they get attacked by the Left and ignored by the Right. That pushback you speak of creates another push back and the creation of a seige mentality.

    What the people who push don’t realize is that those people with the Mexican flags are controlled by White Progressives. That is done to create the reaction you describe. Then that recation creates a counter reaction on our part.

    Who wins, the Progressives and the Muzzies.


  247. NoThreat2U
    247 | August 4, 2010 2:42 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ NoThreat2U:
    They try and get no support. The Progressives are trying to do to us what they did to the Blacks. Create a helpless dependent voting class. Conservative Hispanics get no assistance from other Conservatives.

    Maybe this is a cause your boy Rubio should take up. Get in touch with him.


  248. NoThreat2U
    248 | August 4, 2010 2:43 pm

    It is time to shift the narrative on illegal immigration. And if illegal hispanics don’t want to bear the brunt of it, I suggest they stop marching around telling me how much I owe them.


  249. m
    249 | August 4, 2010 2:44 pm

    @ Rodan:

    And there are Hispanics who hate “the other” as well. We gotta be louder than the asses.


  250. 250 | August 4, 2010 2:45 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    I actually did send an email proposing the creation of a Hispanic counter to La Raza.


  251. NoThreat2U
    251 | August 4, 2010 2:46 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Brilliant idea! You seem to be well educated on this issue! Run with it! You have my support.


  252. 252 | August 4, 2010 2:47 pm

    @ m:

    Those that hate the other are Leftists ignorant of their history. They are brainwashed tools of the Progressives.


  253. NoThreat2U
    253 | August 4, 2010 2:47 pm

    The Capitalist Conquistadors…….there come to teach you to be a part of larger civilization. Bring to it what you can and take from it whatever can help you.

    OK…that was lame.


  254. 254 | August 4, 2010 2:49 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Brilliant idea! You seem to be well educated on this issue! Run with it! You have my support.

    I have a shaddy past as an ex Latin King. Trust me I’m not the one for that.

    Ironically the Latin Kings in the 90′s did try to go straight under King Tone and wanted to be the Rightwing answer to La Raza. We got no acceptance from the Right because of the group’s criminal ties and the Left demonized us. SO it went nowhere and the Right blew an opportunity to have a streets based movement on its side.


  255. Tanker
    255 | August 4, 2010 2:49 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    NoThreat2U wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    You’re too old. You know what the score is and this regime doesn’t like it. They want the young malleable kids over there. They still believe in winning hearts and minds. SOmeone your age knows that is a load of bullshit.
    That’s not the issue.
    This tour will qualify me for my active duty retirement. They don’t want to have to pay me.
    I qualified for my Reserve retirement 10 years ago, but I don’t get anything from that until I turn 60. The active duty retirement starts immediately.
    It’s all about money.
    Sort of ironic, given the current administration’s spending habits…

    I take it you are Guard or reserves. I’ve heard the same thing from other Guardsmen and Reservist. I had some issues when I decided to take this tour. It was my age. Didn’t like the fact I was 49. We sure could use all the help we can get there with things more and more getting out of hand. We really need three to five more Combat Brigades just in my AO. Hope things work out my Friend!


  256. vapig
    256 | August 4, 2010 2:51 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    It is time to shift the narrative on illegal immigration. And if illegal hispanics don’t want to bear the brunt of it, I suggest they stop marching around telling me how much I owe them.

    Exactly!


  257. 257 | August 4, 2010 2:52 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Part of that is the fault of the MFM. They do not report on conservative Hispanics who speak out against the Party line. Perhaps local media cover it in the border areas, but when you get away from the border you hear nothing of it. Hispanics are a very small minority around here, but they are growing. The problem is that nearly all of that growth is from illegals coming into the area. That is the pattern that is being replicated all over the interior of the United States. That has to stop.


  258. 258 | August 4, 2010 2:53 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    and the Right blew an opportunity to have a streets based movement on its side.

    Sadly being on the right and a conservative doesn’t automatically make you intelligent or right all the time.


  259. 259 | August 4, 2010 2:54 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    @ vapig:

    What you two overlook is these Illegals are slaves of the Progressives. Their masters are doing this to create tensions between WHites and Hispanics.

    Conservatives never aim for the head, they just aim for the arms.


  260. 260 | August 4, 2010 2:57 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The businesses that hire and encourage them are at fault Why do the slave masters get a pass? They need to be called out.


  261. 261 | August 4, 2010 2:58 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Isn’t that the truth!


  262. NoThreat2U
    262 | August 4, 2010 3:00 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Hell if we can mainstream the NBPP……

    Well then pass the mantle onto someone who is willing to take up the cause.


  263. 263 | August 4, 2010 3:02 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I have a shaddy past as an ex Latin King. Trust me I’m not the one for that.

    Believe me, this is something that I genuinely understand. As a former Rock Star with a felony narcotics conviction I get that exact same moral superiority cold shoulder quite often, even from people on this blog. It doesn’t matter that that conviction was 22 years ago or that I have been clean for 12 years.

    It doesn’t matter in the eyes of some people (kirly, Bar, Buzz) I will never be a real genuine conservative and my ethic;s and moral will never be genuine or valid, I will always be, like a certain former Latin King, suspect.


  264. NoThreat2U
    264 | August 4, 2010 3:03 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I’m not overlooking it. Actually I am sitting back wondering how they can tolerate it amongst themselves. It is more frustration and anger that I feel. Be the master of your own damn destiny. Even with all the freebies we hand out in this country we still have poverty? Why? It is a choice, most of the time. Hell if you pull yourself up out of poverty, there goes your foodstamps and medical coverages, et cetera. You have to get tired of being a slave SOMETIME!


  265. razorbacker
    265 | August 4, 2010 3:03 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Public school is an awful thing. I often say (with good reason) that the only thing I learned in public school was to fight with a knife.

    Fight with a knife? Sounds like a good way to get shot.


  266. buzzsawmonkey
    266 | August 4, 2010 3:08 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    It doesn’t matter in the eyes of some people (kirly, Bar, Buzz) I will never be a real genuine conservative and my ethic;s and moral will never be genuine or valid, I will always be, like a certain former Latin King, suspect.

    Don’t be silly, and don’t be a drama queen.

    I, for one, have never made pronouncements about who is “a real genuine conservative”—I don’t even know what that is supposed to mean. I don’t even like using “conservative” as a noun, because that is the road to the same kind of stupid-ass litmus tests that the Left lives for. “Conservative,” for my money, is and always has been an adjective—just as “homosexual” originally was an adjective, not a statement of “identity.”

    Everyone is more conservative on some things than others. I have no doubts regarding your being conservative—I’ve merely disagreed with you, as I expect to disagree with any number of people (and, equally, expect them to disagree with me) on particular beliefs, stances, responses, etc. No biggie; one of the reasons I fled the leftist crap of my youth was my disgust with the extent of lockstep that it demanded. I certainly do not wish to exchange one set of lockstep for another.


  267. 267 | August 4, 2010 3:10 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I think they should be. But when it is made unwise to question someone’s status (lest ye be sued), it is difficult for citizens to do much. For example, the Wendy’s I used to eat lunch at had a heavily hispanic staff. To the point that the language spoken in the kitchen was Spanish and the few non-hispanics who worked there spoke pidgen-Spanish to get by. Were they illegals? Probably, but I’ll be called a “raaaaacist” for even asking. There needs to be enforcement against the businesses. To the point of Mhiring managers/HR weasels going to Federal Prison for large-scale scams to hire illegals. As long as there are no real penalties for hiring illegals (and there is an up-side in the form of lower wages), then there will be a demand problem. I am all for going after the businesses. Have the hiring manager facing five years federal time for hiring a couple of dozen illegals, and by God that behavior will stop.


  268. The Osprey
    268 | August 4, 2010 3:11 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Rodan has a point. The situation with legal South American immigrants on the East Coast, middle class educated Argentines, Colombians, Venezuelans is different than what we face with the illegal Mexican immigration in the SouthWest. But people on both the Right and the Left tend to lump them all into the same bucket.

    I for one, would like to see less hostility from the Right toward the Spanish language. A Spanish language conservative media would be a good development.


  269. 269 | August 4, 2010 3:11 pm

    @ razorbacker:

    That’s why I carried a gun when I wasn’t in school…


  270. 270 | August 4, 2010 3:12 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Exactly, I blame the businesses and our Progressive regimes for all this. This is the modern Slave trade!


  271. 271 | August 4, 2010 3:13 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    and don’t be a drama queen.

    This is disagreeing? No, this is a condescending ad hominem.


  272. NoThreat2U
    272 | August 4, 2010 3:14 pm

    @ The Osprey:
    Like I said earlier, Illegal Immigrant = Mexican. You are absolutely right of course. We need to steer this issue toward legal immigrants of all stripes. We are definitely coming at it from the wrong angle. I understand the frustration too because denying to print something in 50 bazillion languages is NOT a violation of anyone’s human rights.


  273. 273 | August 4, 2010 3:15 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    @ NoThreat2U:
    Rodan has a point. The situation with legal South American immigrants on the East Coast, middle class educated Argentines, Colombians, Venezuelans is different than what we face with the illegal Mexican immigration in the SouthWest. But people on both the Right and the Left tend to lump them all into the same bucket.
    I for one, would like to see less hostility from the Right toward the Spanish language. A Spanish language conservative media would be a good development.

    Exactly, it’s applaes and oranges. I as Middle Class orgin Hispanic have more in common with you Polish-American, than with many of these Indigenous Mexicans. The Right has made a mistake into going along with the Left’s narrative.

    When some on the right start Spanish bashing, even if they really are aiming it at just illegals, they don’t realize it offends other Hispanics because that’s our ancestral tongue.


  274. 274 | August 4, 2010 3:17 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    Plus those Illegals don’t even speak proper Spanish!

    I can understand an Italian before I understand their Spanish!


  275. NoThreat2U
    275 | August 4, 2010 3:18 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I apologize if I have offended you in any way with my stance on illegal immigrants. I do not mean to lump everyone together. It is just that it is so easy to do because of the ones who are so damn vocal about it. I respond nastily. Just know that I believe in the rule of law. Our lawd allow people to come here through certain channels. No one is more deserving of anyone else to be here. To become an American citizen is a privelege, not a right.


  276. 276 | August 4, 2010 3:19 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Also, not all Mexicans are illegal as well. Many of the legal Mexicans are Middle class educated people. They are not the same as the illegals.


  277. buzzsawmonkey
    277 | August 4, 2010 3:20 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    This is disagreeing? No, this is a condescending ad hominem.

    You’re complaining—whining, actually—in your #263 above, that I and some others have been vetting whether or not you are a “true conservative,” and that we have found you wanting.

    I cannot speak for those others—but your ascribing to me, personally, activity and attitudes that I not only never have engaged in but categorically reject on their terms is an ad hominem attack by you on me.

    Calling you a “drama queen” for doing so is hardly ad hominem; rather, it is an extremely gentle way of saying that you are dead wrong.


  278. NoThreat2U
    278 | August 4, 2010 3:21 pm

    @ Rodan:
    We need to make that clear…even to people like me. I try not to sound like a h8ter but obviously I am coming across as one. Again, I apologize. I want to hear from these legal citizens :)


  279. 279 | August 4, 2010 3:21 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    No one is more deserving of anyone else to be here. To become an American citizen is a privelege, not a right.

    I agree with you 100%! That is why we need to freeze Islamic Immigration and stop Illegal Immigration. We should only allow in Upper/Middle Class Latin Americans, Europeans, Caribbean Blacks, Christian Africans Asians and Hindu Indians.

    Muzzies and 3rd world trash need not apply!


  280. 280 | August 4, 2010 3:21 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Exactly, I blame the businesses and our Progressive regimes for all this. This is the modern Slave trade!

    Sigh, yes and most people refuse to see how that slavery works. The progressives know that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are about to collapse, they know that the reason is that they raided the money out of the trust funds set up for those programs to fund their pet social engineering programs.

    They know that they turned Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid into ponzi schemes and the only way to avoid paying the piper is to find a source of funding that does not have to be repaid. That source of funding is illegal aliens paying into a system but unable to ever collect from it.


  281. NoThreat2U
    281 | August 4, 2010 3:26 pm

    @ Rodan:
    We need to bring in people who will strengthen our nation…not weaken it! How hard is that to comprehend. But oh no, it isn’t fair that America has more than someone else. Instead of others trying to raise themselves to OUR standards, we are lowering ourselves to THEIRS. What a crock. I will never apologize for being a citizen of the best country on the planet. Tough shit whoever doesn’t like it.


  282. m
    282 | August 4, 2010 3:31 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    People always say that, but if they’re working under the table and illegally - how much are they actually paying in?


  283. 283 | August 4, 2010 3:31 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    but your ascribing to me, personally, activity and attitudes that I not only never have engaged in but categorically reject on their terms is an ad hominem attack by you on me.

    That sir is utterly lacking in any veracity, just because you want to believe that you have not done so, does not make your belief true. When the very first thing you post in response is a personal insult and then attempt to justify that insult by asserting that you were first insulted, well your own testimony bears witness of your actions.


  284. coldwarrior
  285. buzzsawmonkey
    285 | August 4, 2010 3:35 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Bah.


  286. 286 | August 4, 2010 3:36 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    The goal of Obama and teh Tranzis is a 3rd World style Neo-fedual America.

    Ok off to the next thread!


  287. coldwarrior
    287 | August 4, 2010 3:38 pm

    @ Rodan:

    btw, i think the ex-latin king hindrance you stated would in fact be a help in the case of a right wing latin movement.

    you could use it as an example of what can happen when the right ignores a minority.


  288. 288 | August 4, 2010 3:41 pm

    m wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    People always say that, but if they’re working under the table and illegally -- how much are they actually paying in?

    Ah, this is where it gets complicated, the amount paid in is genuinely staggering, but there is a reason that ponzi schemes are illegal. What the individual working illegal alien pays in is without question less than the collective illegal aliens receive in benefits that they are not entitled to.

    But like all ponzi schemes the point isnt about who is receiving the final payment, it’s about who is controlling the flow of money involved. The progressives don’t really care that billions of dollars are being paid out to illegal aliens, what they are about is the trillions of dollars that they have discretionary control of for spending purposes.

    They don’t care that the illegal aliens are taking more out of the system than they are putting in, they only care that that money is in the system for them to control where it gets spent, and having the illegal aliens inputting money into specific funds that they cannot collect from creates the appearance that those funds are more solvent than the really are.


  289. NoThreat2U
    289 | August 4, 2010 3:49 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Thanks for the heads up. Charging the lights right now.


  290. 290 | August 4, 2010 4:00 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    True.


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