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BP Oil Spill Endgame: Creatures of the Bathypelagic

by Kafir ( 70 Comments › )
Filed under Blogmocracy, Guest Post at August 5th, 2010 - 7:00 pm

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BP Oil Spill Endgame: Creatures of the Bathypelagic

Watching the ROV cams has been a bit dull the last couple of days. Few technical operations have occurred and much of the time was spent watching the sea-floor around the blown-out well to detect leaks and seeps that would indicate a rupture.

5,000 feet below the surface is an inhospitable place for most marine life. Though few and far between, the occasional deep water fish, eel or crab is seen. We have collected and edited a variety of video clips and snapshots showing fish around the well-head.

Watching the video, the viewer may conclude that the sea floor a mile deep is teeming with life. This is not the case. These clips were collected from dozens of hours of video showing nothing but water, sand and the occasional bubbles.

First a few pictures of crabs, fish, and an elusive Bat Ray courtesy of Dr. Fessel.

Next: A compilation of video clips from our many hours of recording, including material recorded by others. Starring many eels, rat tails, and an epic battle as an eel fights a large crab.

Update on the Static/Top Kill: Injecting Cement

With the success of the Static Kill BP has gained control of the wild-well, with a stable column of 13.2 ppg mud successfully pushing the oil and gas back into the reservoir. The hydrostatic weight of that column of mud now prevents oil and gas from entering the well bore. We have a kill.

During this static condition, BP periodically pumped new mud in to confirm that they could push mud into the reservoir. This is crucial to any attempt to inject cement, as it would have to push out the mud column below. In normal well operations, the cement is injected via a drill pipe and the mud flow is circulated up the annulus back to the ship. With the wild well, the only open direction is down into the reservoir.

Today they reached consensus on the condition of the well and the location of the drill pipe inside the Production Casing Tube and decided to proceed with the cement injection. Pumping of the cement into the well began at 9:15 am CST. If successful, this will be another huge step in the plugging of this well. Alternatively, if they cannot push mud all the way to the base of the well, a solid cement plug somewhere along the well will add another barrier.

BP will still need to enter the base of the well via the relief well, or through a new BOP at the surface, in order to confirm that the well is properly plugged and repaired, both at the base and at intervals to the surface. Crucially, they will need to examine and plug the annulus, which may not receive cement from the Top Kill cementing, leaving a possible path for oil and gas to reach the well-head.

As we go to press: There are reports that cement has been successfully pumped into the reservoir and the cement job is done. The well is effectively dead once that cement cures.

The Plug and Abandon phase could continue for a couple months to come. But a successful cement plug at the bottom of the well with a column of mud on top is a game changer. I will update on the cementing process and results, and the next phase of the final plugging in future posts.

- Bagua

Previously at theBlogmocracy:
BP Oil Spill Endgame – The Kill approaches
BP Oil Spill Endgame – 3 Ram Sealing Leaky Cap

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70 Responses to “BP Oil Spill Endgame: Creatures of the Bathypelagic”
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  1. snork
    1 | August 5, 2010 7:04 pm

    It’s dead, Jim.


  2. Doppelganger
    2 | August 5, 2010 7:08 pm

    It’s interesting to see Obama blame BP when things take too long, and take all the credit when BP solves the problem.

    Zero is like a certain fat blogger. A cut and paste man


  3. m
    3 | August 5, 2010 7:31 pm

    @ Doppelganger:

    That’s rich Obama blaming anyone for taking too long.


  4. snork
    4 | August 5, 2010 7:34 pm

    @ Doppelganger:
    The real key was the cap. Once they got that, everything else fell into place. The thing that still seems odd is that it took them so long, and so many failed attempts at other things to figure out what wasn’t, as the expression goes, “rocket science”.

    I’m still a bit taken aback that there was such a Chinese fire drill for the first couple of months, when the solution that worked turned out to be so simple.

    And no, Obama’s Nobel-winning brain trust didn’t figure this out, either.


  5. snork
    5 | August 5, 2010 7:40 pm

    Not to go OT this early, but O.M.f’nG.

    An open letter to ADL
    littlegreenfootballs.com (clicks: 5)
    Dear Sirs,
    I am appalled by the recent statements against the so-called ground zero mosque. Let’s move past the facts that the proposed mosque is not actually at “ground zero” or that the land is going to be developed commercially and not seen as particularly sacred by those who develop it.
    Those points alone put paid to the hypocrisy of your stance, but they are not the real issue that needs to be addressed.
    Your organization is designed to promote American liberties and fight racism and defamation. Yet, your stance on this only panders to racism, prejudice, fear and guilt by association. Here are some points to help you get over this inability of yours to distinguish between American citizens of the Islamic faith and the Jihadis who destroyed the Two Towers.
    1. Islam is not monolithic. Given the terrible history of relations between Jews and Christians, should you be opposed to people building churches? If you aren’t -- and I hope you aren’t, some possible reasons to not be opposed to the construction of new churches is that Christianity is not monolithic either. Most Christians are not keen on re-starting the inquisition and moreover most of them would be appalled by it. Obviously it would be wrong to deny a church because you lump all Christians together. Extend the courtesy of the same logic to American Muslims. The same applies to American Muslims.
    2. We should only punish the guilty. To do otherwise is to simply be prejudiced. If you meet someone who is German, do you hate them? I bring that one up because, honestly when I was younger and I first went to graduate school, I met some real live actual Germans. I could not help a pit in my stomach when I met them. Then I realized that blaming someone for the sins of their grandparents was just wrong.
    3. American rights and liberties stem from freedom of speech and freedom of religion -- in short freedom to believe as you will without being persecuted for it. Going down the slippery slope of making exceptions in order to assuage what is ultimately a charge of guilt by association and latent racism on your part is a loss for all of America. Again and again, your organization has made this very point.
    4. In the long run, the problem in 3 is a loss for you too. There are plenty who would rather not see a synagogue or a kosher bakery built as well. There are plenty who have issues with setting up an eruv. But it goes further than that. There are plenty who will have whatever grudge against this form or protestant or that form of Catholic. Would you argue that a Church that openly accepted gays should be closed or not built? You know full well that many in this nation feel that way to the point of violence. By making America free, the founding forefathers had the sense to prevent all of that, by taking it off the board.
    5. American Muslims are just as American as you. Give them the same honor for their faith as you would expect in return. Just like you respect the rights of Christians even though some Christians tell you that are going to burn in hell for being a Jew.
    Tags: Hypocrisy, Mosques
    Comments:3 LudwigVanQuixote • 6 days ago


  6. vapig
    6 | August 5, 2010 7:43 pm

    Doppelganger wrote:

    It’s interesting to see Obama blame BP when things take too long, and take all the credit when BP solves the problem.
    Zero is like a certain fat blogger. A cut and paste man

    Actually, when I heard him talking to some group that the well had been plugged and the oil dispersed he sounded downright sullen. I think this really pissed him off!


  7. Jorline
    7 | August 5, 2010 7:47 pm

    snork wrote:

    It’s dead, Jim.

    lmao…now that there’s funny!


  8. 8 | August 5, 2010 7:49 pm

    @ snork:

    Kapo


  9. snork
    9 | August 5, 2010 7:50 pm

    savage wrote:

    @ snork:

    Kapo

    The wello.


  10. 10 | August 5, 2010 7:50 pm

    @ snork:

    He supports Islamic Colonialists.


  11. snowcrash
    11 | August 5, 2010 7:52 pm

    Bagus, awesome video clips. The second compilation is a “Bagua Production”! Very cool with great music. I’m glad you took the time to cull the fish spottings from the raw footage. I couldnt watch for very long.


  12. Jorline
    12 | August 5, 2010 7:54 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ snork:
    He supports Islamic Colonialists.

    Islamic Colonial Pods…or I-Pods for short.


  13. 13 | August 5, 2010 7:56 pm

    snowcrash wrote:

    Bagus, awesome video clips. The second compilation is a “Bagua Production”! Very cool with great music. I’m glad you took the time to cull the fish spottings from the raw footage. I couldnt watch for very long.

    Those rattails are rather interesting looking fish. Hadn’t seen live videos of them before, as far as I can recall.


  14. Bagua
    14 | August 5, 2010 7:59 pm

    snowcrash wrote:

    Bagus, awesome video clips. The second compilation is a “Bagua Production”! Very cool with great music. I’m glad you took the time to cull the fish spottings from the raw footage. I couldnt watch for very long.

    Cheers Snowcrash,

    of course that meant watching the same scenes several times, trying to spot the bloody fish which were few and far between. I’d record several hours at a time and then scan for fish.

    The eels didn’t come out in force until they started lighting up the sea-bed during the static kill. (If one can call eight or so over 48 hours in force.)They appear attracted by the lights, and less likely to be spooked as the SUV sized ROVs were still.


  15. buzzsawmonkey
    15 | August 5, 2010 8:03 pm

    @ snork:

    What a drooling moron.

    The issue is not, and has never been, what the Ground Zero Mosque means in the context of American freedoms—it is what it means to the people who are proposing to erect it.


  16. Bagua
    16 | August 5, 2010 8:04 pm

    1389AD
    Those rattails are rather interesting looking fish. Hadn’t seen live videos of them before, as far as I can recall.

    Fascinating fish. To survive the pressures of the bathypelagic zone, they are mostly water, and look more like eels than fish. We are talking 2,250 psi!


  17. 17 | August 5, 2010 8:07 pm

    Bagua, thanks for this post! Along with the previous posts by you, on the same topic, I am a lot more informed about this matter than before.


  18. chickadee
    18 | August 5, 2010 8:13 pm

    Speaking of the lying mfm, I have been listening ti the radio off and on all day today. Every hour, on the hour, for several hours, the racist murderer in Connecticut has been discussed, in very sympathetic terms.
    PUKE.

    These assholes discuss his radio call to 911 and how he experienced bigotry on the job and “took care of it himself.” How he had been harassed and treated disrespectfully on the job etc. and on and on, almost as if he was driven to kill 8 white people.
    NOT ONCE DID THEY MENTION THAT THIS KILLER WAS CAUGHT ON TAPE STEALING AND THAT IS WHY HE WAS BEING TERMINATED. Not once.

    They basically present him as a victim who couldn’t take it any more
    I hate the mfm.


  19. 19 | August 5, 2010 8:13 pm

    New DoD topic!


  20. 20 | August 5, 2010 8:14 pm

    @ chickadee:

    Seems to be ‘sudden jihadi syndrome’ at work here.


  21. buzzsawmonkey
    21 | August 5, 2010 8:16 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    the racist murderer in Connecticut has been discussed, in very sympathetic terms.

    Free Tookie!
    Free Mumia!
    Free Beer!


  22. snork
    22 | August 5, 2010 8:24 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Nor is the disposition of all the muslims of the world relevant. The controversy isn’t over all mosques, it’s over this mosque, with this particular group of terrorist-connected boosters.


  23. savages_girl
    23 | August 5, 2010 8:27 pm

    @ savage:
    Savage, are you there?


  24. 24 | August 5, 2010 8:28 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Free Tookie!
    Free Mumia!
    Free Beer!

    They can keep Mumia and Tookie, I’ll volunteer to liberate the beer!


  25. Bagua
    25 | August 5, 2010 8:29 pm

    @ PrincessNatasha:

    Cheers PrincessNatasha. Makes it all worth it!


  26. 26 | August 5, 2010 8:30 pm

    @ savages_girl:

    yes I am


  27. savages_girl
    27 | August 5, 2010 8:30 pm

    The well is effectively dead once that cement cures.

    How does cement cure / dry underwater?

    Just curious…


  28. savages_girl
    28 | August 5, 2010 8:31 pm

    @ savage:
    I swear, Savage, if I ever am talked into using CH Robinson again for anything, just shoot me!


  29. buzzsawmonkey
    29 | August 5, 2010 8:32 pm

    snork wrote:

    Nor is the disposition of all the muslims of the world relevant. The controversy isn’t over all mosques, it’s over this mosque, with this particular group of terrorist-connected boosters.

    See my comment in DoD.


  30. 30 | August 5, 2010 8:32 pm

    @ savages_girl:

    I swear, Savage, if I ever am talked into using CH Robinson again for anything, just shoot me!

    Question, why the hell did you use those scumbags? I hate CHR!


  31. chickadee
    31 | August 5, 2010 8:33 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Nor is the disposition of all the muslims of the world relevant. The controversy isn’t over all mosques, it’s over this mosque, with this particular group of terrorist-connected boosters.

    It is encouraging that most regular people are against this muzz jihad outfit opening a 13 floor mosque at ground zero. They know what’s going on.
    Elitist foolish snobs like bloomberg think it is fine because he is so distantly removed from the everyday reality of what islam is up to. He thinks his grand wealth insulates him from the nastiness of the aggressive screed and I guess it does. He can get on his jet and fly to his island and have his head chopped off last.


  32. JacksonTn
    32 | August 5, 2010 8:36 pm

    Evening Ya’ll …

    Just got back from a conference with a bunch of business people from all over east of the Mississippi … all I have to say is I have never seen this many business people pissed off at an administration in my life … old tradition dems and republicans all of them … it is gonna be sweet in November …

    A Hard Rain Is Gonna Fall …


  33. snork
    33 | August 5, 2010 8:36 pm

    savages_girl wrote:

    How does cement cure / dry underwater?

    Same way it does above water. It doesn’t dry out, it forms a new chemical structure.

    That’s how they build underwater bridge footings.


  34. yenta-fada
    34 | August 5, 2010 8:37 pm

    Bagua, thanks for all of your hard work in making this complex operation clearer for me. In your opinion, could this have been done sooner? I have to admit I was concerned that the Obama administration would have stalled longer had not the people in the region started to talk about taking things into their own hands, i.e. Bobby Jindal.


  35. savages_girl
    35 | August 5, 2010 8:39 pm

    @ savage:

    Question, why the hell did you use those scumbags? I hate CHR!

    And USDA loads too boot!

    I had to go with the best rate (boss kind of forces my hand on this), but I think after what I’ve been dealing with the last couple of days, she may think twice.

    Rat bastards! I hate them!

    They just gave me more gray hairs in the last couple of days that I could do without… grrrr…


  36. snork
    37 | August 5, 2010 8:39 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    Elitist foolish snobs like bloomberg think it is fine because he is so distantly removed from the everyday reality of what islam is up to. He thinks his grand wealth insulates him from the nastiness of the aggressive screed and I guess it does. He can get on his jet and fly to his island and have his head chopped off last.

    A big part of the problem is that New Yorkers are used to ignoring what goes on across town. Nobody lives there; it’s a commercial district. So with no “beautiful people” squawking, why not?

    The other side of that same coin is however, with nobody living there, what’s the point of putting it in some of the most expensive real estate in the world?


  37. snork
    38 | August 5, 2010 8:40 pm

    m wrote:

    Fannie Mae Seeks $1.5 Billion From U.S. Treasury After 12th Straight Loss

    nice. not.

    On the same day that they announce that Social Security is running in the red.


  38. 39 | August 5, 2010 8:42 pm

    @ chickadee:

    Bloomberg is the puppet of the Islamic Colonialists


  39. 40 | August 5, 2010 8:42 pm

    @ m:

    Fannie Mae is a bottomless pit for the government to throw tax-payers’ money in. Ain’t that lovely? A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon Obama is putting a new wing on the House in Maui…


  40. 41 | August 5, 2010 8:43 pm

    @ m:

    They saw this coming.


  41. 42 | August 5, 2010 8:43 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    He’s pocketing that money.


  42. savages_girl
    43 | August 5, 2010 8:44 pm

    @ snork:
    Thanks. Learn something new every day…


  43. 44 | August 5, 2010 8:44 pm

    @ snork:

    This is why economic collapse is nearly inevitable. It would take a radical restructuring of the entitlement game to stave it off. That’s not going to happen no matter how we do in the elections in the fall. I’m betting we’ve got another ten years or so, but the wheels are going to come off the wagon sooner rather than later.


  44. 45 | August 5, 2010 8:45 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I’m certain that he’s skimming some, but I doubt anyone will even seriously look at the books to see it.


  45. snork
    46 | August 5, 2010 8:45 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    I’ll defer to Bagua’s expertise, but frm here it looks like:

    1. BP was totally unprepared and ran around like a chicken with it’s head cut off for the first two months.
    2. All government agencies were totally unprepared and ran around like a chicken with it’s head cut off for the first two months.
    3. Jindal was the only one in all of this with his shit together.
    4. Attention from Washington only made things worse.
    5. When they finally stopped panicking and started thinking, they fixed it in rather short order.
    6. The effects of the spill were grossly exaggerated by all the usual suspects from way one, and now they’re all wondering where the oil went.
    7. The people in the industry, and the public in general are fucked because of the ban.

    Aside from that, everything’s just wonderful.


  46. JacksonTn
    47 | August 5, 2010 8:47 pm

    Iron Fist … have you seen where they are considering forgiving the amount of some mortgages who are under water … so the other day my son asks me why he needs to keep paying his mortgage when those that do not are going to be forgiven for not doing so … I told him he needs to just keep doing what he is doing and pay his mortgage … where is the incentive to do the right thing on your home mortgage if this crap keeps coming up? … I don’t really understand …


  47. buzzsawmonkey
    48 | August 5, 2010 8:49 pm

    JacksonTn wrote:

    Iron Fist … have you seen where they are considering forgiving the amount of some mortgages who are under water … so the other day my son asks me why he needs to keep paying his mortgage when those that do not are going to be forgiven for not doing so … I told him he needs to just keep doing what he is doing and pay his mortgage … where is the incentive to do the right thing on your home mortgage if this crap keeps coming up? … I don’t really understand …

    To the tune of “They Can’t Take That Away From Me”:

    Oh yes, I bought my house
    When I had no money
    Now I want a bailout—
    No, no, they can’t take it away from me!

    Imported marble floors
    And a bathtub for three
    My handcarved rare-wood doors—
    No, no, they can’t take it away from me!

    I agreed to pay the price
    Of what it costs, that’s true
    But now that it’s worth much less
    I need a bailout from you

    Though you may feel distressed
    If you’ve lived frugally
    We’re solving “homelessness”—
    No, no, they can’t take it away from me
    No, they can’t take it away from me…


  48. 49 | August 5, 2010 8:49 pm

    @ savages_girl:

    I did a CH Robinson load once, picked up in Tucson and the fuckers wanted it in Tacoma in 18 hrs. I told the asshole I would get there in 36 hrs and the fucker blew a gasket and I told him, either they get the freight in 36 hrs or I would sell the stuff off the trailer at the Flying J in Phoenix. haha


  49. 50 | August 5, 2010 8:51 pm

    @ JacksonTn:

    I know how your son feels. I am supposed to close on selling my house this month. That will get me out from under a huge liability that has seriously ate up my available cash for the last 18 months or so. But part of me is, like, shit you know. If the government is just going to forgive my mortgage, well, hell, I could use a nice rental property free and clear. Why have I been busting my nuts to pay this mortgage these last so many months, too? It is disheartening, to say the least.


  50. chickadee
    51 | August 5, 2010 8:54 pm

    JacksonTn wrote:

    Iron Fist … have you seen where they are considering forgiving the amount of some mortgages who are under water … so the other day my son asks me why he needs to keep paying his mortgage when those that do not are going to be forgiven for not doing so … I told him he needs to just keep doing what he is doing and pay his mortgage … where is the incentive to do the right thing on your home mortgage if this crap keeps coming up? … I don’t really understand …

    I heard that too. Many of the perpetrators of this debacle will benefit while the rest of us who follow the rules and don’t try to scam the system will be holding the bag. Your son’s question is a very good one.
    He is wondering why he has to pay his own mortgage AND some deadbeat’s mortgage. I guess the answer is we get to work a second job. That is so fcked up. But zero sees these losers as o-voters so he is willing to cut them some slack and put the burden on us.

    It is really abt. power and greed in the assholes who seek to rule us. And it is really evil.


  51. Bagua
    52 | August 5, 2010 8:56 pm

    savages_girl wrote:

    How does cement cure / dry underwater?
    Just curious…

    Depending on the components, hydraulic concrete will cure under water. The type of “cement” they use for this well is formulated for the temperature, depth and adjacent fluids expected.

    There is likely no actual water in contact with the cement. Rather, the oil and gas mixture of the reservoir and the drilling mud.

    They likely also used some sort of “spacer” mud following the cement, in order to minimise the mixing of mud and cement.

    When a cement plug is placed along the well path, generally a packer is used first to form a plug at the bottom of the cement plug.


  52. savages_girl
    53 | August 5, 2010 8:56 pm

    @ savage:
    Yeah, I will find any way I can NOT to use them at this point. Which had been my way of thinking for quite some time, and then it’s like, OK, we’ll let them do these… it’s like doing business with the devil… and that arrogant jerk of a rep they give me to deal with there — I could just wring his neck… never again…


  53. savages_girl
    54 | August 5, 2010 8:57 pm

    @ Bagua:
    it’s amazing that it works!


  54. 55 | August 5, 2010 8:57 pm

    @ savages_girl:

    good. plenty of other brokers out there as you know


  55. Possum
    56 | August 5, 2010 9:00 pm

    Off Topic you say?

    An LGF thread from the past…..

    The Spanish Connection

    Sun, Jul 9, 2006 at 8:36:08 pm PDT

    At Israel Insider, Shelomo Alfassa enlightens us about the meaning of the New York train bombing mastermind’s nom de guerre:


  56. chickadee
    57 | August 5, 2010 9:01 pm

    savages_girl wrote:

    @ Bagua:
    it’s amazing that it works!

    I was wondering abt it too. I thought if they pumped cement down there it would just dissolve and float away. lol


  57. snowcrash
    58 | August 5, 2010 9:01 pm

    @ Bagua:
    The drilling mud and heavy mud isn’t even mud as I think of it.


  58. yenta-fada
    59 | August 5, 2010 9:02 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    I’ll defer to Bagua’s expertise, but frm here it looks like:
    1. BP was totally unprepared and ran around like a chicken with it’s head cut off for the first two months.
    2. All government agencies were totally unprepared and ran around like a chicken with it’s head cut off for the first two months.
    3. Jindal was the only one in all of this with his shit together.
    4. Attention from Washington only made things worse.
    5. When they finally stopped panicking and started thinking, they fixed it in rather short order.
    6. The effects of the spill were grossly exaggerated by all the usual suspects from way one, and now they’re all wondering where the oil went.
    7. The people in the industry, and the public in general are fucked because of the ban.
    Aside from that, everything’s just wonderful.

    Thanks. :-) Now why don’t they just say what you said on the news?//


  59. Bagua
    60 | August 5, 2010 9:03 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Bagua, thanks for all of your hard work in making this complex operation clearer for me. In your opinion, could this have been done sooner? I have to admit I was concerned that the Obama administration would have stalled longer had not the people in the region started to talk about taking things into their own hands, i.e. Bobby Jindal.

    Indeed, that is a big question at this point. The initial Top Kill mud injection was halted at Secretary Chu’s order. Why was the Secretary even involved? Certainly not his field. The NYTimes alleged that this decision resulted in several weeks of unnecessary flow into the Gulf.

    I plan to explore this allegation in upcoming posts.

    Alternatively, why did BP ponce about with the various top hats and not move directly to a sealing cap? I will be exploring this topic as well.

    Keep in mind though, this was the first successful capping of a wild well at this depth, and the first successful mud kill/Bull head at this depth.

    (It wasn’t truly a bullhead as they injected into a static column and didn’t need to overcome a flowing column of oil and gas from the reservoir.)


  60. Jorline
    61 | August 5, 2010 9:03 pm

    m wrote:

    Fannie Mae Seeks $1.5 Billion From U.S. Treasury After 12th Straight Loss
    nice. not.

    m, I posted this earlier…take a look.


  61. Bagua
    62 | August 5, 2010 9:04 pm

    savages_girl wrote:

    @ Bagua:
    it’s amazing that it works!

    The technology is very advanced, no doubt. This wild well kill is a leap forward as well.


  62. Bagua
    63 | August 5, 2010 9:05 pm

    @ snork:

    I’ll reply with some detail later as the supper bell just rang and I must rush to the Korean Barbecue.

    I’ll get caught up with any follow-up questions after the radio show!


  63. vapig
    64 | August 5, 2010 9:07 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    JacksonTn wrote:
    Iron Fist … have you seen where they are considering forgiving the amount of some mortgages who are under water … so the other day my son asks me why he needs to keep paying his mortgage when those that do not are going to be forgiven for not doing so … I told him he needs to just keep doing what he is doing and pay his mortgage … where is the incentive to do the right thing on your home mortgage if this crap keeps coming up? … I don’t really understand …
    I heard that too. Many of the perpetrators of this debacle will benefit while the rest of us who follow the rules and don’t try to scam the system will be holding the bag. Your son’s question is a very good one.
    He is wondering why he has to pay his own mortgage AND some deadbeat’s mortgage. I guess the answer is we get to work a second job. That is so fcked up. But zero sees these losers as o-voters so he is willing to cut them some slack and put the burden on us.
    It is really abt. power and greed in the assholes who seek to rule us. And it is really evil.

    It’s about sticking it to shitey for some imagined sins of our forefathers to a people who’s ancestors may or may not have suffered under the yoke of said forefathers. It doesn’t matter to him that it has nothing to do with who is alive today -- we gonna make them crackers PAY!!!! They so don’t see the backlash coming!


  64. Jorline
    65 | August 5, 2010 9:07 pm

    snowcrash wrote:

    @ Bagua:
    The drilling mud and heavy mud isn’t even mud as I think of it.

    Are the people plugging the well referred to as “mud packers”?


  65. 66 | August 5, 2010 9:09 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    I’ll defer to Bagua’s expertise, but frm here it looks like:
    1. BP was totally unprepared and ran around like a chicken with it’s head cut off for the first two months.
    2. All government agencies were totally unprepared and ran around like a chicken with it’s head cut off for the first two months.
    3. Jindal was the only one in all of this with his shit together.
    4. Attention from Washington only made things worse.
    5. When they finally stopped panicking and started thinking, they fixed it in rather short order.
    6. The effects of the spill were grossly exaggerated by all the usual suspects from way one, and now they’re all wondering where the oil went.
    7. The people in the industry, and the public in general are fucked because of the ban.
    Aside from that, everything’s just wonderful.

    I’m not in the petroleum industry, but speaking as an interested observer, I suspect that you have it scoped out pretty well.


  66. vapig
    67 | August 5, 2010 9:11 pm

    LOL! shitey = whitey!!!

    PIMF!!!


  67. JacksonTn
    68 | August 5, 2010 9:19 pm

    I never got pushed to pick a side before … not really … but I just feel something going on these days … maybe it is not what I think … but it just feels different … something is changing … so if we are at the stage where we pick sides … I have picked my side … this thing with the mosque is just pushing it to the front and letting people see things in their face that many have already known but now many others see … creep … it is happening … I don’t care if anyone calls me racist or islamaphobe … who really cares what people call you … it is way past time to take a stand … when the creep comes to a small town in Tennessee like Shelbyville .. well, it has come … and to ignore it is just crazy … I some days cannot believe everything that is going on … on all fronts …

    So … we will continue to be called rednecks and hillbillies and ignorant … who cares … call me racist … yawn (way overdone) … let’s see the administration get by without all the flyover small business people … gravel roads are not bad …


  68. orangecrush
    69 | August 6, 2010 3:00 pm

    @ Bagua:
    Hey Bagua, welcome aboard. i have been offline for a few weeks.


  69. orangecrush
    70 | August 6, 2010 3:07 pm

    @ chickadee :P eople who mis educate themselves with social justice concepts are more then likely to steal from the white man and claim justice. They are also more likely to embark on a road of growing hatred inside themselves. we had 5 policemen murdered here this year by perps stimulated by social justice concepts.

    Their defenders are just their fellow travelers who haven’t reaced their crisis yet. Sudden jihadi, sudden social justice.


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