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The Economically Destitute States of America

by Iron Fist ( 149 Comments › )
Filed under Economy, Misery Index, Progressives, Regulation at August 11th, 2010 - 2:00 pm

I was reading through the news this morning and came across this piece from Bloomberg. If this is accurate, we are in deeper trouble than I realized. Read the following:

Let’s get real. The U.S. is bankrupt. Neither spending more nor taxing less will help the country pay its bills.

What it can and must do is radically simplify its tax, health-care, retirement and financial systems, each of which is a complete mess. But this is the good news. It means they can each be redesigned to achieve their legitimate purposes at much lower cost and, in the process, revitalize the economy.

Last month, the International Monetary Fund released its annual review of U.S. economic policy. Its summary contained these bland words about U.S. fiscal policy: “Directors welcomed the authorities’ commitment to fiscal stabilization, but noted that a larger than budgeted adjustment would be required to stabilize debt-to-GDP.”

But delve deeper, and you will find that the IMF has effectively pronounced the U.S. bankrupt. Section 6 of the July 2010 Selected Issues Paper says: “The U.S. fiscal gap associated with today’s federal fiscal policy is huge for plausible discount rates.” It adds that “closing the fiscal gap requires a permanent annual fiscal adjustment equal to about 14 percent of U.S. GDP.”

The fiscal gap is the value today (the present value) of the difference between projected spending (including servicing official debt) and projected revenue in all future years.

Double Our Taxes

To put 14 percent of gross domestic product in perspective, current federal revenue totals 14.9 percent of GDP. So the IMF is saying that closing the U.S. fiscal gap, from the revenue side, requires, roughly speaking, an immediate and permanent doubling of our personal-income, corporate and federal taxes as well as the payroll levy set down in the Federal Insurance Contribution Act.

Such a tax hike would leave the U.S. running a surplus equal to 5 percent of GDP this year, rather than a 9 percent deficit. So the IMF is really saying the U.S. needs to run a huge surplus now and for many years to come to pay for the spending that is scheduled. It’s also saying the longer the country waits to make tough fiscal adjustments, the more painful they will be.

Source

Progressives always want to raise taxes. They believe that high taxes on the Little People are good, in and of themselves, so it should be no surprise that the “answer” to all our problems is the raising of taxes. What is troubling is the amount of projected increase. This won’tr bring in the projected revenue because that big an albatross around the neck of the economy will destroy not only economic growth, but existing economic activity. This doesn’;t take a genius in economics to figure out. If you take home a third less money than you are currently making, what happens to your spending? Are you bankrolling a third of your salary right now? Congratulations, the Government wants to take all that money from you. For the rest of us, this is going to cut our economic activity. If this plan were put into effect, we are talking about an instant recession to make the last one look like a real Obama Boom.

Lovely.

I don’t know what the answer is. We are in a deep hole that Obama made infinitely deeper when he pilliaged the treasury upon taking office. I don’t know what we can do about that. But I do know that we can’t double taxes. Raising taxes during a recession is economic suicide as it is. Raising them that much would be like dragging the economy out into the alley and shooting it in the head.

There’s a way to improve the fiscal bottom line. We may have reached the point of no return. Theyre may be nothing that we can do at this stage. I am not an economist. I don’t have any answers. But I can recognize the wrong thing to do, and that is raising taxes. If there is a way out of this hole, it is through growing the economy, and raising taxes will not do that. Quite the opposite, in fact.

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149 Responses to “The Economically Destitute States of America”
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  1. 1 | August 11, 2010 2:04 pm

    What we need is fundament tax and entitlement reform to make America competitive in the global economy.


  2. 2 | August 11, 2010 2:07 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yes. And a drastic reduction of the Parasite Class. Like I said earlier, America has a bad case of round worms.


  3. 3 | August 11, 2010 2:07 pm

    Our political elites have been kicking this deficit spending fiasco down the street while driving 1000 MPH, not seeing the brick wall they are heading the country towards getting closer and closer.


  4. buzzsawmonkey
    4 | August 11, 2010 2:09 pm

    I’ll worry about this when I get back from my Costa del Sol vacation. I’ve reserved an entire floor of the hotel, and told them the government is good for it.


  5. waldensianspirit
    5 | August 11, 2010 2:11 pm

    It’s got to get personal. They [elites] make the deals; they pay for them, personally. Bernanke and Obama better get to shoveling gravel real quick to start paying their theft off.


  6. 6 | August 11, 2010 2:11 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Are you joining Michelle Antionette on holiday? If so, are you sure one floor of the hotel will be enough? Where are all your servants going to stay?


  7. 7 | August 11, 2010 2:12 pm

    This article and video are not from the Superdome after the dike broke in new Orleans. It is from this morning in Atlanta where more free pie was being passed out.

    http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/crowd-waiting-for-housing-589653.html

    Atlanta News 1:27 p.m. Wednesday, August 11, 2010 Text size:
    Decrease Increase Crowd waiting for housing vouchers gets rowdyShareThisPrint E-mail .By Mike Morris

    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

    A crowd of people hoping to get federal housing assistance became unruly Wednesday morning with reports of fights breaking out in the crowd.

    Enlarge photo Vino Wong, vwong@ajc.com Crowds swarm at Tri-Cities Plaza in East Point on Wednesday morning as people try to apply for Section 8 housing.

    Enlarge photo Mike Morris/AJC, Mike Morris/AJC Crowds line up for housing vouchers in East Point on Wednesday morning.

    Related
    Photos: Large crowd gathers for housing vouchers
    .More Atlanta/Fulton news »
    Housing crowd gets rowdy
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    Atlanta/South Fulton
    North Fulton
    .Thousands of people were lined up at the Tri-Cities Plaza shopping center, hoping to apply for a voucher from the East Point Housing Authority that will give them a discount on their rent.

    People began lining up at the shopping center two days ago, and by Wednesday morning the crowd had grown to over several thousand people. East Point police, some wearing riot helmets, were patrolling the area. Firefighters and EMTs were attending to people who were overheating in the sun. Police from College Park, Hapeville, Fulton County and MARTA assisted in crowd control.

    Felecia McGhee told the AJC she arrived around 6:30 a.m. Wednesday. She said the major problem began when people started breaking into the line and officials started moving the areas where they were handing out applications. She said she saw at least two small children trampled when the crowd rushed the building where the applications were to be handed out.

    “It’s a real mess out here,” she said.

    Video of crowd http://www.wsbtv.com/video/24591395/index.html


  8. buzzsawmonkey
    8 | August 11, 2010 2:12 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    To the tune of “Spanish Ladies”:

    Adieu and farewell to you, fair Spanish resort
    Adieu and farewell to the Costa del Sol
    For vacation is over and it’s back to the US
    Which we’ve put a few hundred thou more in the hole

    So we’ll rant and roar like community organizers
    We’ll howl at those calling this a shameless grab
    Because we like treating ourselves like royalty
    Knowing the taxpayers will pick up the tab


  9. 10 | August 11, 2010 2:16 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    They deserve it, poor things. After all, America has been so bad to them. Just ask Michelle Antionette. She will tell you that America is a downright mean country. She should know.


  10. 11 | August 11, 2010 2:17 pm

    Hmmmm their embed code didn’t take here.

    Link to news station report and vid

    http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/local_news/Hundreds-Hope-for-Federal-Housing-Assistance-20100811-am-sd


  11. lobo91
    12 | August 11, 2010 2:17 pm

    @ Scott Madsen:

    Did you catch this bit?:

    A sign on the door of the office explained that only applications were being handed out.

    “The housing authority will be issuing applications Wednesday, August 11, starting at 9 a.m. Everyone in line by 1 p.m. on the 11th will receive an application. … No Section 8 vouchers are available at this time. There are no public housing units available at this time. You’re applying for the waiting list only.”


  12. 13 | August 11, 2010 2:17 pm

    @ Scott Madsen:

    More pictures of the Parasite Class. Just a different spectrum of it. Those who wish to live off the sweat of other’s brow while contributing nothing themselves.


  13. Bumr50
    14 | August 11, 2010 2:19 pm

    @ Scott Madsen:

    It’s like an ANTI-Tea Party.


  14. Bumr50
    15 | August 11, 2010 2:21 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I know that Section 8 has been at “waiting list” status here in the Pittsburgh area for at least a couple of years now.


  15. lobo91
    16 | August 11, 2010 2:23 pm

    Speaking of the adventures of the parasite class:

    Ex-Mail Carrier Lived Large Off False Disability Claim

    VOLUSIA COUNTY, Fla. — Five years ago, a Volusia County mail carrier claimed to hurt her neck on the job, but after $193,000 in disability payments, investigators discovered Cindy Harrington was not what she seemed.

    They told WFTV Tuesday that she led a double life; taking overseas vacations and enjoying dangerous outdoor sports. However, now she’s going to prison for it.

    Cindy Harrington was caught on camera performing a flip on a trapeze. There are also pictures of her snow skiing with her friends, scuba diving and horseback riding on the beach.

    The U.S. Attorney’s Office said Harrington was living the high-life off of taxpayer money, but told her employer of 13 years she was disabled.

    In 2005, Harrington said she injured her neck while lifting a mail tray. She went on disability and in 2008, rejected a clerk position at the Port Orange Post Office because she said she had medical issues and never returned to work.

    She ended up collecting more than $193,000 in disability payments in a four-year time span. Federal investigators looked into Harrington’s activities after she filled out a marketing survey.

    Records show Harrington became a certified scuba diver and purchased a $150,000 boat and named it “Free Ride.” She skied in Switzerland, traveled to Iceland, Asia and the Bahamas.


  16. 17 | August 11, 2010 2:24 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Wow. They ought to put her in prison. Men’s prison. She likes to rape the system. Let’s see how she likes it in return…


  17. lobo91
    18 | August 11, 2010 2:24 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I know that Section 8 has been at “waiting list” status here in the Pittsburgh area for at least a couple of years now.

    Clearly, Obama needs to dig a little deeper into his “stash.”


  18. lobo91
    19 | August 11, 2010 2:25 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    She’s been sentenced to 18 months in prison, and has to pay back the money.


  19. 20 | August 11, 2010 2:27 pm

    Oh yeah! The “Obama Boom” meets the administration’s “Recovery Summer”:

    Feds rethink policies that encourage home ownership

    Just how much should Uncle Sam do to help Americans buy their own homes?

    For 70 years — and for the last 15 in particular — the answer has been: Whatever it takes.

    Now, policymakers are pausing to reconsider. In the next few months, they’ll weigh whether there can be too much of a good thing when it comes to helping families finance the American Dream.

    The rethink could mean a shake-up for a mortgage market addicted to government subsidies.


  20. 21 | August 11, 2010 2:27 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Fer sure.

    Hey Bumr, on the credit fixing.

    My wife went to each individual agencies (all four) web sites and found tabs with links to autoforms for desputing and updating reports.

    She entered the info we had on our issue and the item cleared automatically in about a month without any additional input.

    She said the important thing is to get the proper reciepts and release docs form you r creditor or lien holder whichever the case may be, and that is the most laborious part of the process, otherwise the agencies move fairlt fast once they see documentation.


  21. 22 | August 11, 2010 2:29 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Oh yeah, that was just for the apps to be considered for an interview.

    Imagine if they were cutoff completely.


  22. 23 | August 11, 2010 2:29 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I wish I could vacation!


  23. chickadee
    24 | August 11, 2010 2:30 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Scott Madsen:

    More pictures of the Parasite Class. Just a different spectrum of it. Those who wish to live off the sweat of other’s brow while contributing nothing themselves.

    This reminds me of the mob in Detroit last year, lining up and fighting over applications for money from zero’s “stash.”

    zero is turning people into animals.


  24. buzzsawmonkey
    25 | August 11, 2010 2:32 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    zero is turning people into animals.

    Not quite; he is encouraging people who are tempted to behave like animals to give in to the temptation.


  25. waldensianspirit
    26 | August 11, 2010 2:32 pm

    @ lobo91:
    lol! You see the advertisement segment for the video was for a personal injury lawyer! :-)


  26. 27 | August 11, 2010 2:33 pm

    For once I have to agree with alGore:

    Gore: ‘United States Government as a Whole Has Failed Us’…

    Yes, he’s saying the government has failed us concerning his AGW Ponzi scheme, but really the government has failed the citizens on a whole lot more.


  27. buzzsawmonkey
    28 | August 11, 2010 2:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I wish I could vacation!

    Just belly up to the desk at your local ObamaStash™ Office, tell them that for the first time in your adult life you are proud of your country, and tell them you’ll be saving or creating jobs in the airline and tourism industries if they subsidize your vacation.

    Send us a postcard when you get there.


  28. vagabond trader
    29 | August 11, 2010 2:33 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Federal investigators looked into Harrington’s activities after she filled out a marketing survey.

    Now do you suppose the “marketing survey” was a speshul scam devised for the poor invalid?


  29. 30 | August 11, 2010 2:34 pm

    @ lobo91:Friends sister was a junkie and postal enployee, claimed back injury-, got light desk duty instead of dock duty, disability comp, and would score dilaudid from several docs to sell to her tribe of fellow leeches and sots.

    Came from good family too, product of the sixties seventies, a real pioneer she was.


  30. waldensianspirit
    31 | August 11, 2010 2:34 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    She’s been sentenced to 18 months in prison, and has to pay back the money.

    I see an injury in prison in her future. Scammers never quit


  31. NoThreat2U
    32 | August 11, 2010 2:36 pm

    Hey Rodan! I left something for you near the end of the last thread. Thought it might interest you :)


  32. 33 | August 11, 2010 2:41 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    Hey Rodan! I left something for you near the end of the last thread. Thought it might interest you

    Do we need a hazmat team to clean it up? ;)


  33. NoThreat2U
    34 | August 11, 2010 2:42 pm

    @ FurryOldGuyJeans:
    LOL Not at all!!! Just found it interesting.


  34. chickadee
    35 | August 11, 2010 2:44 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    chickadee wrote:

    zero is turning people into animals.

    Not quite; he is encouraging people who are tempted to behave like animals to give in to the temptation.

    And it is extremely disgusting. He is pandering to the worst in people and doesn’t seem the least bit embarrassed when they fight like animals in the street for the fcking scraps he has promised them.

    zero is demonic sob


  35. vagabond trader
    36 | August 11, 2010 2:44 pm

    @ Scott Madsen:

    The husband worked with firefighters filing bogus claims like this.Regretably they can be cheats too. One guy had his house remodeled on the taxpayers dime and was promoted to captain for his devotion to service.A woman ff milked the comp system for almost ten years until she had enough time in to retire.She was untouchable due to affirmative action threats.


  36. 38 | August 11, 2010 2:51 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I’m with you , brother. The last vacation I had was several years ago. McGuyver and his family came down to the mountains, and me and the Old Lady got a cabin up there and vacationed with them. That was a lot of fun. It has been too long, but Uncle Sugar ain’t going to pick up our tab. If they would, we should have a big Blogmocracy vacation in Spain, and all of us go on the government dime. Bet we’d cost less than Michelle Antionette…


  37. buzzsawmonkey
    39 | August 11, 2010 2:51 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    And it is extremely disgusting. He is pandering to the worst in people and doesn’t seem the least bit embarrassed when they fight like animals in the street for the fcking scraps he has promised them.

    He seems to envision the ideal society as a cross between the Superdome during Hurricane Katrina and feeding time at Sea World.


  38. 40 | August 11, 2010 2:53 pm

    @ FurryOldGuyJeans:

    She has absolutley no fear of hypocrisy. She is a master of it!

    :twisted:


  39. chickadee
    41 | August 11, 2010 2:56 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    The parasites and leeches need to be ruthlessly weeded out.
    I bet we could cut the whole gov. “work” force in half and actually see improvement in performance.


  40. 42 | August 11, 2010 2:57 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    My cat does bug me when she thinks it is time to get fed, but she at least has the sense of waiting and staring at me to get me to do the deed.


  41. 43 | August 11, 2010 2:58 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Only in Pelosi world (actually Progressive world) is NOT spending more money increasing the national debt.


  42. 44 | August 11, 2010 2:59 pm

    @ FurryOldGuyJeans:

    Welfare sucks aren’t as patient as your cat. Neither are government workers. Imagine the riots we’d have if they cut government pay down to what the rest of us make. Oh well. Riots are what God made riot-guns for…


  43. lobo91
    45 | August 11, 2010 3:00 pm

    @ FurryOldGuyJeans:

    Taking a page out of the failed Bush playbook, Congressional Republicans want to saddle future generations with nearly $700 billion in debt to extend tax cuts for the wealthiest few, while opposing a fully paid-for jobs bill that reduces the deficit and keeps teachers in the classroom and police officers on the beat.

    What a load of crap.

    This bill was “paid for” by projected cuts in funding to the states for food stamps. In 2014.

    Does anyone actually believe those cuts are going to stand?


  44. vagabond trader
    46 | August 11, 2010 3:00 pm

    @ FurryOldGuyJeans:

    D (lusional) I strongly suspect Ms Pelousy mightily enjoys that top shelf bar in her taxpayer provided shuttle.


  45. 47 | August 11, 2010 3:02 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I was just gobsmacked with the sheer mendacity of Queen Nancy’s speech.


  46. buzzsawmonkey
    48 | August 11, 2010 3:03 pm

    The ocean of red ink in which America wallows should be known as the Pelo Sea.


  47. vagabond trader
    49 | August 11, 2010 3:03 pm

    @ chickadee:

    I bet congress could take a year or two off and nobody would notice. :sad:


  48. 50 | August 11, 2010 3:03 pm

    @ FurryOldGuyJeans:

    It is a spending cut when you don’t increase their budget as much as they want it increased…


  49. 51 | August 11, 2010 3:03 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    Oh, no. Everyone would notice how much better things got…


  50. 52 | August 11, 2010 3:04 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Do you still talk to McGuyver?

    Great interestng understated dude he from what I gathered at Geepers.


  51. lobo91
    53 | August 11, 2010 3:04 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    @ vagabond trader:
    The parasites and leeches need to be ruthlessly weeded out.
    I bet we could cut the whole gov. “work” force in half and actually see improvement in performance.

    I love the way they always put it in terms of having to lay off teachers, or beat cops.

    Notice that they never say anything about getting rid of the bloated administrative staff that produces nothing and costs more than the actual cops and teachers.


  52. 54 | August 11, 2010 3:04 pm

    Ok, so like this is a test…


  53. lobo91
    55 | August 11, 2010 3:05 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Is there a prize?


  54. 56 | August 11, 2010 3:05 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Of course not. They won’t cut real spending, and taxes can’t effectively be increased (i.e. overall revenue will remain the same or decline due to decreased economic activity if taxes increase). We are in a hole, but they won’t stop digging.


  55. vagabond trader
    57 | August 11, 2010 3:05 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    What you said is what I meant. :mrgreen:


  56. 58 | August 11, 2010 3:06 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ chickadee:
    I bet congress could take a year or two off and nobody would notice.

    Actually people WOULD notice because no new bullshit would get squeezed out of the buggered bunghole that is DC.


  57. 59 | August 11, 2010 3:07 pm

    @ Scott Madsen:

    We’re facebook friends. I owe him a letter, but I am terrible about writing. He’s a great guy. He and his Old Lady, both are great. They’ve moved farther away, so I’m not sure when I’ll see them again.


  58. 60 | August 11, 2010 3:07 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    The ocean of red ink in which America wallows should be known as the Pelo Sea.

    And the Pelo Sea is the most anoxic in earths history…


  59. 61 | August 11, 2010 3:09 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Is there a prize?

    Just for me, maybe, Cox might finally be getting my account straightened out. Did that link open for you?


  60. 62 | August 11, 2010 3:11 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ doriangrey:
    Is there a prize?

    Just for me, maybe, Cox might finally be getting my account straightened out. Did that link open for you?

    Hmmm, how about this one???


  61. lobo91
    63 | August 11, 2010 3:12 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Of course not. They won’t cut real spending, and taxes can’t effectively be increased (i.e. overall revenue will remain the same or decline due to decreased economic activity if taxes increase). We are in a hole, but they won’t stop digging.

    The articles that highlight the recent increases in average federal pay don’t go far enough in showing what the real problem is, either.

    The typical federal worker (the GS-7 or GS-9 career staffer) doesn’t make six figures. They make between $40 and $60k or so.

    The reason those “average” figures are so high these days is because of the massive increase in the upper echelons of the federal bureaucracy (GS-14/15 and SES employees) under Obama.


  62. 64 | August 11, 2010 3:12 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I think the movie Dave is becoming a must-see these days.


  63. lobo91
    65 | August 11, 2010 3:13 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    it did.


  64. waldensianspirit
    66 | August 11, 2010 3:13 pm

    http://www.miseryindex.us/ must have some really dedicated people keep Obama’s numbers in check.


  65. 67 | August 11, 2010 3:13 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Hell, I sure wouldn’t sneeze at making $50K-60K a year.


  66. snork
    69 | August 11, 2010 3:15 pm

    @ lobo91:
    That’s normal. There are multi-year wait lists all over the country for subsidized housing. Forget any idea that public housing or section 8 is for emergencies, it’s for professional deadbeats, who make a lifestyle out of it, and in some cases hide their middle-class income.

    Go to the projects sometime, and count the beemers.


  67. 70 | August 11, 2010 3:16 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    Both links opened for me. The second one took a long while though.


  68. 71 | August 11, 2010 3:18 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That’s right, he can give me from his stash!


  69. lobo91
    72 | August 11, 2010 3:18 pm

    @ snork:

    That’s normal. There are multi-year wait lists all over the country for subsidized housing.

    Oh, I know that.

    I just wonder how many of the people who waited in line for 2 days did? I seriously doubt that anyone would stand there for that long just so they could receive an application to maybe get on a waiting list for a voucher they won’t see for a couple of years.


  70. lobo91
    73 | August 11, 2010 3:19 pm

    @ PaladinPhil:

    They both opened right up for me.


  71. waldensianspirit
    74 | August 11, 2010 3:20 pm

    @ FurryOldGuyJeans:
    Thanks! I think I’ll make that the home page at work and leave it up. “course very few people since they can’t keep employees


  72. RIX
    76 | August 11, 2010 3:21 pm

    Obama did inherit an economic problem.
    He has made it a crisis and contiues to say that
    we have to spend more.
    When he did that at the G20, they treated him like a fool.


  73. 77 | August 11, 2010 3:22 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ FurryOldGuyJeans:
    Thanks! I think I’ll make that the home page at work and leave it up. “course very few people since they can’t keep employees

    When it flips to single digits day-wise is the day I cut loose and really celebrate.


  74. snork
    78 | August 11, 2010 3:23 pm

    @ lobo91:
    But is shows you the Big Lie that it’s for homeless responding to an emergency. It never was. It was always a system of pull the levers and wait, and eventually, they’ll let you in.

    Government health care works the same way. In the states that have state health care, they filled up all available slots, and then shut the door. If you’re one of the ones who got in early, it’s a deal. If you just lost your job last week, it’s as useless as tits on a train.


  75. 79 | August 11, 2010 3:26 pm

    @ snork:
    And I get to experience the joys of government health-care every time I try to make and/or keep an appointment at my local VA hospital.

    Excuse me, not a hospital any more. It’s a large government run clinic with signs posted at the entrance “No emergency care available” right next to the sign declaring the place is American Lake Veteran’s Hospital”.


  76. lobo91
    80 | August 11, 2010 3:33 pm

    @ FurryOldGuyJeans:

    Excuse me, not a hospital any more. It’s a large government run clinic with signs posted at the entrance “No emergency care available” right next to the sign declaring the place is American Lake Veteran’s Hospital”.

    They did the same thing at the Air Force Academy last year, right after spending millions to renovate the place. It’s now a “clinic,” even though it’s a huge multi-story building, and they continue to do inpatient surgery and everything.


  77. yenta-fada
    81 | August 11, 2010 3:40 pm

    The ever-terrified, well-informed “Mogambo Guru” explains things.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/LG27Dj01.html


  78. 82 | August 11, 2010 3:40 pm

    The Jazz Man caught in a lie about Rand Paul!


  79. 83 | August 11, 2010 3:43 pm

    @ lobo91:
    American Lake VA recently spent (this year, 2010) over $27M to renovate and upgrade the “emergency room” and increasing the number of ambulances at the facility from 2 to 3, yet the VA dropped 24/7 emergency care.

    Yeah cost-effective my hairy white ass.


  80. 84 | August 11, 2010 3:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The Jazz Man caught in a lie about Rand Paul!

    Lately when has he NOT been caught spinning or lying about some subject he blogs on?


  81. lobo91
    85 | August 11, 2010 3:50 pm

    @ FurryOldGuyJeans:

    I don’t know what they were thinking when they shut down the AFA emergency room.

    Thousands of people live on the installation, not to mention the 4,000 or so cadets who don’t have access to cars, for the most part.

    The nearest civilian hospital is a good 20+ minute drive away.


  82. Bumr50
    86 | August 11, 2010 3:53 pm

    @ Scott Madsen:

    Hey thanks!

    Had to step out for a bit.


  83. yenta-fada
    87 | August 11, 2010 3:56 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Of course not. They won’t cut real spending, and taxes can’t effectively be increased (i.e. overall revenue will remain the same or decline due to decreased economic activity if taxes increase). We are in a hole, but they won’t stop digging.

    They cannot stop digging because they are politicans first and human beings….way down the line. The system is rigged against the ‘little people’. When you take away their bread and circuses, they will be screaming mad. This is an attempt to keep the bread part. U.S. treasuries are being bought BY THE U.S. Foreign nations know the real debt of the U.S. cannot ever be paid back. They have only 2 options I know of. They can default on their debt, or they can print to infinity creating hyper-inflation like the Weimar Republic. Stock up on necessities if you have the space. It is better than money in the bank, all IMHO, of course.


  84. yenta-fada
    88 | August 11, 2010 3:59 pm

    This is where you get real U.S. economic news. Outside the U.S. so that nobody panics the herd.

    http://www.ft.com/indepth/recession


  85. Bumr50
    89 | August 11, 2010 4:03 pm

    Veteran actor James Caan let people in on a little secret last week. After 46 successful years among Hollywood’s most outspoken liberal stars, he’s speaking up about breaking the mold.

    “I’m an ultra conservative,” he said at Moet & Chandon’s 6th Annual Hollyshorts Film Festival Opening Night Celebration in Los Angeles.

    Somewhere, a pig is gazing up at the wild, blue yonder….


  86. yenta-fada
    90 | August 11, 2010 4:04 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Obama did inherit an economic problem.
    He has made it a crisis and contiues to say that
    we have to spend more.
    When he did that at the G20, they treated him like a fool.

    Obama brings nothing to the table except his own huge, greedy appetite. No qualifications. Charm gets old when it’s accompanied by an endless stream of lies and edicts.


  87. yenta-fada
    91 | August 11, 2010 4:07 pm

    FurryOldGuyJeans wrote:

    Pelosi: GOP Is Saddling Children With Debt
    Wow.

    This is the chutzpah of a guy who murders his parents and then asks for mercy from the court because he is an orphan.


  88. 92 | August 11, 2010 4:12 pm

    @ FurryOldGuyJeans:

    He’s just a spin artist.


  89. yenta-fada
    93 | August 11, 2010 4:14 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    chickadee wrote:
    @ vagabond trader:
    The parasites and leeches need to be ruthlessly weeded out.
    I bet we could cut the whole gov. “work” force in half and actually see improvement in performance.
    I love the way they always put it in terms of having to lay off teachers, or beat cops.
    Notice that they never say anything about getting rid of the bloated administrative staff that produces nothing and costs more than the actual cops and teachers.

    Any insitution like that is a beast who will fight to the death to preserve itself.


  90. yenta-fada
    94 | August 11, 2010 4:18 pm

    For anybody who thinks I have a lot of nerve talking about the U.S. economy because I’m Canadian BTW. I don’t expect for a moment that Canada will escape the financial tsunami. U.S. will always be the largest trading partner for Canada, and the population of the entire country is the size of California’s population. Just wanted to make that clear so nobody thinks I’m criticizing unfairly.


  91. yenta-fada
    95 | August 11, 2010 4:19 pm

    Ummm. Why is nobody talking to me? Did everybody leave? Last!


  92. yenta-fada
    96 | August 11, 2010 4:21 pm

    Or maybe because I’m a Cassandra. I really just want to warn people I like. (last)


  93. 97 | August 11, 2010 4:21 pm

    3 more billion to go on the China card today for home loan by downs on upside down borrowers says the Decider in Chief in speech today.

    Damn it was only one and a half billion and a rumor on Friday.

    He is deliberately accelerating the cloward piven gambit.

    Grab your socks people.

    This reminds me, I need more plywood for my windows and a few more fire extinguishers


  94. vagabond trader
    98 | August 11, 2010 4:23 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    No offense taken here. These preening commies need smacking down from every corner of the earth. Good to know sanity still exists north of the border. :mrgreen:


  95. NoThreat2U
    99 | August 11, 2010 4:24 pm

    Hey!!! The hot air link up abbove is BAD! I clicked it….Java update came on…now I can do shit on my machine. It keeps telling me I am infected. It wont load my antivirus to clean it out. My only option is to purchase some bullshit! Help! How the hell can I clean it out??????


  96. 100 | August 11, 2010 4:24 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    That’s good news. I wish “Sonny” would have broke out a loisville slugger at that gala and gave a few of them a tune up they so richly deserve.


  97. 101 | August 11, 2010 4:26 pm

    The Ruling Class vs. the Public

    The cheerful, jaded, sneering question de jour from liberal journalists and Democratic Party commentators (I know, there’s a pretty fine distinction) is, “What will the Republican Party do if it gets back the House?” The question is phrased along the line of what a car-chasing dog would do if it caught the car.

    As a conservative tea party Republican, I am not particularly worried about that eventuality. Despite itself, a majority GOP, driven powerfully by the unambiguous vox populi of such an election, almost certainly would go about trying to repeal Obamacare and put serious, current-fiscal-year spending cuts into place — necessarily including “entitlements.” Republicans would try to reduce some taxes and start serious oversight of federal regulatory intrusions into traditional American freedoms — including a powerful pushback on administration regulatory efforts on climate change, illegal immigration and other left-wing agenda items. With sufficient votes in the Senate, they would block future liberal judicial appointments — from the trial court to the Supreme Court.

    If they didn’t go all-out for such a basic conservative agenda in 2011 after such an election as is possible, Republican Party leaders would know that across the nation, even 50-year party regulars such as I would walk out and seek a third party to carry out the people’s business.


  98. 102 | August 11, 2010 4:28 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    I got hung up too and had to close my browser IE8 . When I reopened it had a message like firefox asking if I wanted to restore my session. i clicked yeas and all of my windows reopened without any content just path headers.

    Great. I have never been infected on this computer it is my kids and I only open known sites with it.


  99. yenta-fada
    103 | August 11, 2010 4:28 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    No offense taken here. These preening commies need smacking down from every corner of the earth. Good to know sanity still exists north of the border.

    One forecaster wrote “if we can get just 20% of America to understand the truth and think for themselves, and if this 20% of the population moves in a focused direction, we can one day have an America far greater than we ever imagined.”

    The American Spirit is there as a shining beacon. People need to know the truth in order to fix this mess. The sooner the wake-up, the better it will be for the country.


  100. 104 | August 11, 2010 4:29 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Wow, that’s weird the Hot Air link is good with me. This means your anti-Virus was out of date. You need to update it and clean out your cookies.

    Uninstall unwanted programs.


  101. NoThreat2U
    105 | August 11, 2010 4:29 pm

    @ Scott Madsen:
    my browser closed too. now all it gives me is the standard IE cannot disply the page. On more help, it takes me to the webpage to purchase some antivirus shit. I can’t do anything now.


  102. NoThreat2U
    106 | August 11, 2010 4:31 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Nothing to uninstall…I checked. Cant clean it out…i can’t go anywhere. BTW I am on another computer in the house. Plus, my anitvirus updated every day at 3. Already done. It is more of an ad loop I am in. It is hanging me up and I cant get it to go away.


  103. yenta-fada
    107 | August 11, 2010 4:31 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    No offense taken here. These preening commies need smacking down from every corner of the earth. Good to know sanity still exists north of the border.

    Actually, there’s not that much sanity up here either. Pockets of it, and a Prime Minister who defends Israel in spite of the unacknowledged “Muslim Lobby”.


  104. NoThreat2U
    108 | August 11, 2010 4:32 pm

    Everytime I pull something up to clean it out, it says THAT program is now infected. I can tell it is an ad and not from windows. FUCK!


  105. vagabond trader
    109 | August 11, 2010 4:32 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Gad,it sounds like what we had a couple of weeks ago.This thing comes in through a fake virus update.Boardm had a step by step solution on a thread last week. Sorry don’t remember which one it was.


  106. NoThreat2U
    110 | August 11, 2010 4:34 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    But if I purchase their shit all will be well. Bastards!!!!!


  107. 111 | August 11, 2010 4:37 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    No don’t purchase it. It’s a scam to get your credit card information.


  108. snork
    112 | August 11, 2010 4:37 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    DO NOT CLICK THE POPUP!!!


  109. 113 | August 11, 2010 4:38 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    You might have to redo the PC.


  110. snork
    115 | August 11, 2010 4:41 pm

    These virus artists are getting better, and more aggressive. There’s one floating around the UK, that gets between the customer and online banking, and empties the bank account out, all the while showing the customer a positive balance. Bad, bad, evil stuff.

    I’m not using windows for online banking any more, and Mac isn’t bulletproof, either.


  111. lobo91
    116 | August 11, 2010 4:41 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ vagabond trader:
    But if I purchase their shit all will be well. Bastards!!!!!

    No, don’t do that.

    Hold on. I’ll find the thread from the other day, when Bordm posted instructions I used to fix Carol’s laptop.


  112. vagabond trader
    117 | August 11, 2010 4:45 pm

    We learned the hard way, 150 bucks later. If you subscribe to a free anti virus program like avg,make sure you do the subscription renewels,even though its free.


  113. lobo91
    118 | August 11, 2010 4:46 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    here you go:

    107 | August 3, 2010 23:14
    lobo91 wrote:

    It’s infected with some malware crap.

    Fake virus warning that tries to get you to buy some bogus anti-virus program.

    I fix computers for a living and have for over 30 years. These are the free tools I currently use to keep my and my clients computers clean. Using these tools on a regular basis will keep malware and other boogers from getting a foothold in your computer.

    Download ATF-Cleaner to your desktop, Open the app, on the main tab “select all” then unselect “history” then click on the “Empty Selected” button. If you use Firefox or Opera only select the “cache” option for cleaning. Run this every day.

    http://www.atribune.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25&Itemid=25

    Download the free version of Malwarebytes, update it and run the quick scan first. Run once a week.

    http://www.malwarebytes.org/

    Download Spybot Search and Destroy, update it, immunize and run the scan. Run once a week.

    http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html

    Download the free version of SUPERantispyware, update it and run the quick scan first. Run once a week.

    http://www.superantispyware.com/superantispyware.html

    Run the apps in the order I’ve listed, each will pick up boogers that the others miss, they form an overlapping shield to find the nasties on your computer.

    If you need an anti-virus application and/or a firewall, I prefer AVG Free Antivirus and Zone Alarm Free. Windows firewall is junk

    http://free.avg.com/us-en/download-avg-anti-virus-free

    http://www.zonealarm.com/security/en/zonealarm-pc-security-free-firewall.htm

    CCleaner is an excellent tool to clean and tune up your registry.

    http://www.piriform.com/download

    Oh and update, update, update, it does no good the run any scanner with an out of date database.

    If the above does not do the job, contact me. I use a few other tools that should only be used with explicit instructions. They can really mess things up if used improperly.


  114. NoThreat2U
    119 | August 11, 2010 4:46 pm

    Oh I aint buying jackshit! Now it wouldn’t even let me shut down…loginui.exe is now infected. FUCK ME! I had to hold the button in to shut down.


  115. lobo91
    120 | August 11, 2010 4:47 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    As a word of warning: It took me about 12 hours to get Carol’s computer fixed.


  116. 121 | August 11, 2010 4:47 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Is Congress Ashamed Of Its Record?

    Election ’10: Earlier in the year, congressional Democrats were gushing about their historic legislative achievements. But if they’ve done such great things for the country, why aren’t they campaigning on them?

    It was only in May that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi declared, “Health care reform is my proudest achievement in Congress.” Now it’s America’s long, hot summer of discontent, and pride in their legislative record is the last thing Democrats want to campaign on as they face a popular uprising and the possible loss of their House and Senate majorities.

    “In an effort coordinated with the White House,” the Los Angeles Times reported Monday, “congressional leaders are urging Democrats to focus less on bragging about what they have done — a landmark health care law, a sweeping overhaul of Wall Street regulation and other far-reaching policy changes — and more on efforts to fix the economy and on the perils of Republican control of Congress.”

    *snip*

    Now, instead of facing understandably angry voters at town halls back home, House Democrats have scurried back to Washington to pass yet another stimulus. This one totals $26 billion and is aimed at averting layoffs in — you guessed it — state and local governments.

    Some may detect a panicked attempt here to use taxpayer money to buy votes.

    The “Blame Bush” election strategy was recently expressed in a nutshell by the president: “When you get in your car, when you go forward, what do you do? You put it in ‘D.’ When you want to go back, what do you do? You put it in ‘R.’”

    Pretty clever from the man who bought GM with the taxpayers’ hard-earned dollars. But for nearly 10% of workers, “D” stands for the dole of unemployment benefits.


  117. NoThreat2U
    122 | August 11, 2010 4:48 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Cant download anything….always says IE cannot display the page…click for options. The option is to register the antivirus shit…pay for it. I have ccleaner. Cant run it though…it says now ccleaner.exe is now infected. Really, I cant do shit.


  118. snork
    123 | August 11, 2010 4:49 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    If it’s that far gone, you may need to get your hands on a bootable repair disk. Or take it in to somebody who has all the “tools”.


  119. lobo91
    124 | August 11, 2010 4:49 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Cant download anything….always says IE cannot display the page…click for options. The option is to register the antivirus shit…pay for it. I have ccleaner. Cant run it though…it says now ccleaner.exe is now infected. Really, I cant do shit.

    You’ll have to use a second computer, and transfer the files to the infected one using a thumb drive or CD.

    Some of your stuff will work better once you reboot it in Safe mode, though.


  120. 125 | August 11, 2010 4:50 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    Everytime I pull something up to clean it out, it says THAT program is now infected. I can tell it is an ad and not from windows. FUCK!

    Reboot your computer do not open your browser go directly to restore system as fast as possible and use a restore point at least a week before today.


  121. lobo91
    126 | August 11, 2010 4:50 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ NoThreat2U:
    If it’s that far gone, you may need to get your hands on a bootable repair disk. Or take it in to somebody who has all the “tools”.

    That’s not necessary. I just did this last week.

    Running the applications in that post I quoted above will fix it. It’s just time consuming.


  122. NoThreat2U
    127 | August 11, 2010 4:51 pm

    I can make the cds. How do I make the cleaners download to CD? They usually just download to the machine. I haven’t used safe mode since W95. lol Will my ccleaner work in safe mode?


  123. NoThreat2U
    128 | August 11, 2010 4:52 pm

    How about I try system restore and then run all those cleaners?


  124. lobo91
    129 | August 11, 2010 4:53 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    I can make the cds. How do I make the cleaners download to CD? They usually just download to the machine. I haven’t used safe mode since W95. lol Will my ccleaner work in safe mode?

    What you download will be installation files. Put those on the CD. Then copy them onto the infected PC and install them there.

    CCleaner will work in safe mode, but it won’t help at this point.

    You have to get rid of the malware first.


  125. lobo91
    130 | August 11, 2010 4:54 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    How about I try system restore and then run all those cleaners?

    Worth a try.


  126. 131 | August 11, 2010 4:54 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    How about I try system restore and then run all those cleaners?

    That’s how I fixed that problem, took me considerably less than 12 hours…


  127. lobo91
    132 | August 11, 2010 4:56 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    The amount of time it takes depends on how long it takes those things to run.

    Some of them took an hour or more each when I did it.


  128. NoThreat2U
    133 | August 11, 2010 4:57 pm

    Running ccleaner in safe mode right now. Gonna run the rest too. See what happens. Thanx guys….yinz are great!


  129. snork
    134 | August 11, 2010 4:58 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I had one of those nasties, and the longer you ignore it, the more aggressive it becomes. Eventually, it became literally beyond repair, and I had to do a complete nuke-and-reload.

    It all depends on how far it’s gotten.


  130. snork
    135 | August 11, 2010 4:59 pm

    And furthermore, some of these worms can even dig themselves into the BIOS, and even if you do the complete nuke-and-load, they’re still there. There’s some really, really evil stuff out there these days that wasn’t there even a year ago.


  131. lobo91
    136 | August 11, 2010 4:59 pm

    @ snork:

    It it’s the same one I was dealing with last week, ignoring it isn’t an option.

    It literally won’t let you do anything with the computer.


  132. vagabond trader
    137 | August 11, 2010 5:01 pm

    @ lobo91:

    We had it,lost all our files,everything.


  133. lobo91
    138 | August 11, 2010 5:03 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    We had it,lost all our files,everything.

    I was able to get rid of it without losing anything, as far as I could tell (it wasn’t my computer, so I can’t be sure).

    Just wasted a lot of my time doing it.


  134. NoThreat2U
    139 | August 11, 2010 5:06 pm

    Well I cleaned it in safe mode. Cant get online that way though. Restarted…doing checkdisk. If I am still fa-kukked, I will download programs to disc and try again. Again, thanx all.


  135. vagabond trader
    140 | August 11, 2010 5:08 pm

    @ lobo91:

    All we could do was turn the dang thing on,it was locked. We sent it out to get fixed and they were able to restore the files. Wish I knew what let it in.


  136. lobo91
    141 | August 11, 2010 5:10 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    I had to run all three of those anti-malware programs in order to find it all. Each of them only found a piece of it.


  137. NoThreat2U
    142 | August 11, 2010 5:12 pm

    Still fucked. On to plan b.


  138. waldensianspirit
    143 | August 11, 2010 5:15 pm

    After you’re back up and running you might want to use the equivalent of Firefox with noscript.

    If you are comfortable with going to web pages where not all the functionality and regions are active until you specifically turn them on. It does provide nice options for turning on pages/regions as you want. Added trouble but I use it all the time to keep not only evil out but even stop good things from beating on my cpu time all the time. I’m stingy with my cpu time.


  139. NoThreat2U
    144 | August 11, 2010 5:19 pm

    Wont let me save to disk. *sigh*


  140. NoThreat2U
    145 | August 11, 2010 5:22 pm

    Now there is a webpage for fucking Viagra!!!! WTF?????????????????


  141. NoThreat2U
    146 | August 11, 2010 5:44 pm

    Full recovery to factory settings **groan**


  142. 147 | August 11, 2010 7:27 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    malwarebytes just pulled 305 nasties mostly in registry keys.

    never lost my browser though


  143. 148 | August 12, 2010 1:06 am

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    @ lobo91:Friends sister was a junkie and postal enployee, claimed back injury-, got light desk duty instead of dock duty, disability comp, and would score dilaudid from several docs to sell to her tribe of fellow leeches and sots.
    Came from good family too, product of the sixties seventies, a real pioneer she was.

    These evil people take away money, not only from the taxpayer, but also from people who have become afflicted with REAL disabilities through no fault of their own.


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