‘Obamacare’ is full of nasty surprises…
…as I pointed out in my previous article, Another hidden zinger in Obamacare. But the inevitability of ‘death panels’ and ‘administrative euthanasia’ to ration government-controlled health care funds should have surprised nobody. It always happens with socialized medicine. It has already happened in the UK; just for starters, see This is your future under Obamacare.
With Obamacare, the government saves money every time it declares a drug ineffective…
…Does anybody see a conflict of interest here?
US breast cancer drug decision ‘marks start of death panels’
h/t: huckfunn
Nick Allen in Los Angeles and Andrew Hough
Published: 10:07PM BST 16 Aug 2010A decision to rescind endorsement of the drug would reignite the highly charged debate over US health care reform and how much the state should spend on new and expensive treatments.
Avastin, the world’s best selling cancer drug, is primarily used to treat colon cancer and was approved by the US Food and Drug Administration in 2008 for use on women with breast cancer that has spread.
It costs $8,000 (£5,000) a month and is given to about 17,500 women in the US a year. The drug was initially approved after a study found that, by preventing blood flow to tumours, it extended the amount of time until the disease worsened by more than five months. However, two new studies have shown that the drug may not even extend life by an extra month.
The FDA advisory panel has now voted 12-1 to drop the endorsement for breast cancer treatment. The panel unusually cited “effectiveness” grounds for the decision. But it has been claimed that “cost effectiveness” was the real reason ahead of reforms in which the government will extend health insurance to the poorest.
If the approval of the drug is revoked then US insurers would be likely to stop paying for Avastin.
The Deadly Pact: How Obamacare will ‘Save’ Money
Andy Griffith, the former TV Sheriff of Mayberry and guardian of small town America, is now the national spokesman for ObamaCare. More specifically, this venerable gentleman is the spokesman for the new Medicare. Apparently Griffith is under the naïve belief that ObamaCare is a genuinely good thing for seniors. As much as it pains me to say this, Griffith is dead wrong. ObamaCare is a fatal bargain for seniors, and all Americans.
Although media reports covering ObamaCare have centered mainly on the health insurance mandate and hidden tax increases, the real danger of ObamaCare lies in the official sanction of “mercy death” for America’s seniors as a means of reducing federal medical outlays. No, ObamaCare doesn’t say this outright. It simply limits hospital readmissions for those using Medicare, thereafter automatically committing said Medicare recipients to hospice facilities, called “community-based care.”
Obamacare opponents need to protest as vociferously as possible!
Why? Because, at least some of the time, it works.
Obama wasn’t the first corrupt Chicago politician to pay a price for tampering with America’s health care. Obama failed to learn from the example of Dan Rostenkowski. By their efforts to force Americans into socialized medicine, both have revealed their arrogant and self-serving natures, and both have permanently alienated many supporters that neither could afford to lose.
Is Obamacare Having a Rostenkowski Moment?
Politico reports:
Angry protesters shouted down Democrats at public events from Texas to Pennsylvania over the weekend, leaving the party only one real hope for getting its message out over recess: a backlash. In Austin, Texas, Rep.Lloyd Doggettwas drowned out by a group of noisy, sign-waving demonstrators who shouted, “Just say no” as he tried to talk abouthealth care reform. … In Morrisville, Pa., Rep. Patrick Murphy was forced to scrap plans for a one-on-one meet-the-congressman session when people in the crowd started shouting. Murphy switched to a town hall format mid-event and even then had to ask the audience at times to “be respectful.” And at a healthcare event in Philadelphia, Sen. Arlen Specter (D-Pa.) and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius were repeatedly interrupted by booing and heckling. “We can shout at one another, or we can leave the stage,” Sebelius said at one point. “It’s up to you.”
I’m old enough to remember not just Hillarycare, but also the Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act of 1988:
The 1988 Catastrophic Act focused on providing protection against catastrophic medical expenses under Medicare. Specifically, the Act expanded the Medicare program to provide protection against catastrophic medical expenses and for the first time, provided coverage under the Medicare program for prescription drugs. To pay for these benefit expansions, a new supplemental premium tax on all persons eligible for Medicare was enacted.
Chairman of the House Committee on Ways and Means Dan Rostenkowski lead the charge for the 1988 Act and paid a price. The Chicago Tribune from August 19, 1989 tells the story:
Congressman Dan Rostenkowski, one of the most powerful politicians in the United States, was booed and chased down a Chicago street Thursday morning by a group of senior citizens after he refused to talk with them about federal health insurance. Shouting “Coward,” “Recall” and “Impeach,” about 50 people followed the chairman of the U.S. House Ways and Means Committee up Milwaukee Avenue after he left a meeting in the auditorium of the Copernicus Center, 3106 N. Milwaukee Ave., in the heart of his 8th Congressional District on the city’s Northwest Side.
Eventually, the 6-foot-4-inch Rostenkowski cut through a gas station, broke into a sprint and escaped into his car, which minutes earlier had one of the elderly protesters, Leona Kozien, draped over the hood. Kozien, one of more than 100 senior citizens who attended the gathering, said she had hoped to talk to Rostenkowski, her congressman, at the meeting.
But Rostenkowski clearly did not want to talk with her, or any of the others who had come to tell their complaints about the high cost of federal catastrophic health insurance. “These people don’t understand what the government is trying to do for them,” the 61-year-old congressman complained as he tried to outpace his pursuers. [PB: I think they understood all too well.]
…
The law was repealed…
Epilogue
Rostenkowski eventually was indicted and sent to prison for corruption. Following his indictment, he lost his congressional seat to Republican Michael Flanagan. Unfortunately, Flanagan was, in turn, defeated by the politically well-connected Rod Blagojevic, who later became governor of Illinois. As of this writing Blago is on trial for, among other things, selling Obama’s vacant Senate seat. Dan Rostenkowski died on August 11, 2010.
Also see:
American Thinker: Two Cheers for Old-Fashioned Political Scoundrels
Tags: cancer, Chicago corruption, Dan Rostenkowski, death panels, FDA, Obamacare
This is Eugenics plain and simple.
Obamacare, fast… convenient… affordable.
Sad to see ‘ole Andy getting old, mislead, and duped.
Bobby Thomson who hit famous ‘shot heard ’round the world’ homer dies at 86
The Giants win the Pennant, The Giants win the Pennant!
FredThompson tweet: Obama turning US into 3rd-world nation. If we’re gonna be a banana republic, then at least let us keep some of our bananas
Rodan wrote:
Eugenics, and class warfare.
New DOD!
The Lewd Squid cracks
m wrote:
Gee who was talking about Obama’s 3rd Worldism about a year ago?
HMMM?
@ citizen_q:
It’s straight up Totalitarianism. They will determine who lives and dies.
Rodan wrote:
Ummm, your linky goes sideways.
WOW, the head of Al -Arabiya television is against the 9/11 Ground Zero Mosque.
A House of Worship or a Symbol of Destruction?
@ ThreeHundred:
Hey! Welcome aboard!
(new guy buys the drinks, you know that right?)
Great photo caption on Robert Stacy McCain’s article about Obama’s Hollywood traffic disaster and Pamela Geller’s visit to Santa Monica…
@ F:
It’s good now!
Rodan wrote:
True
*sigh*
Rodan wrote:
Ummm, it goes even farther afield. D’OH!
@ m:
Hi Thanks! My posts will probably be infrequent, as they were on LGF before the boot. I had the audacity to call it an echo chamber, then report myself for the comment.
@ The Osprey:
That woman has got the best hair, LOL! Hey maybe THAT’s why chuckles hateseses her so much.
@ ThreeHundred:
HAHAHA! Just followin’ the rulz!
FNC just announced they are doing a bit on the government death panels “right after the break”.
@ F:
OK now it’s fixed!
ThreeHundred wrote:
Welcome aboard!
Did Pelosi say we needed to pass it so we know whats in it. Now we know.
Obamacare – Just hurry up and die!
Ray Bradbury hates big government: ‘Our country is in need of a revolution’
@ ThreeHundred:
Infrequent or not, welcome aboard.
@ Rodan:
I like it here..a new permanent bookmark for daily info and commentary.
@ F:
Thanks F. (now, must work).
President Obama: Muslim Missionary?
Blago verdict may be near
@ MikeA:
Hey, man, like they named the Health Care bill. It isn’t like they were in a hurry and didn’t name the bill. They did that later. kind of fill in the blank lefgislation. We’ll just pass it, then we’l;l fill out what is in it as needed. See how much more efficient the Democrats have gotten. And in just a few months, too! Imagine what they’ll be able to accomplish before January…
[Dark, malevolent laughter]
Nevergiveup wrote:
Only a partial verdict, FNC is reporting the jurors are deadlocked on most of the counts.
@ Iron Fist:
IF I’ve a little present for you
Look at the date and here is the link to the blog in question
Guggi wrote:
So SChmuckie was a Leftist, loud and proud, before 9/11.
No surprise there.
Rodan wrote:
As I have been saying. And which makes all the comparisons to the 92nd Street Y, which was built to serve a genuine, existing Jewish community, and which expanded from that initial mission to serve the larger city, even more obnoxious and false than they appear at first glance.
@ Guggi:
It seems Charles has returned to his roots. He’s getting back to his original traffic leveles, too
F wrote:
It’s not about leftism – we all know this and he never denied it – but it is a comparison of Bush with a chimp. He linked to a website which compared the ruling president of the USA with a chimp.
Remember what for IF was banned and all his comments nuked.
Guggi wrote:
I remember, oh do I remember.
@ Guggi:
I remember watching that happen in real time. Irony, we has it.
Iron Fist wrote:
He just wants to
eat his waffleride his bike.@ Guggi:
I didn’t get it either. That is interesting. My debate with Chuckles the Clown was a bit more esoteric, though. He objected to a picture that protrayed Obama as a South Seas Witch-doctor (I’m guessing Borneo, but they all dress similarly in that region of the globe) with a bone through his nose. Chuckles said it was racist because it referred to Obama’s African heritage. Because Africa is between Austrailia and South America, I guess, because that is really all they have to do with each other.
Worthless cocksucker. I was polite as I could be, but I just couldn’t let bullshit that ignorant pass. I was done with Chuckles by then, anyway. I should have ditched LGF when he banned Ayatollah Ghilmeini for nothing.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
He doesn’t ride it anymore because he ate it. And several other things that were laying around.
Iron Fist wrote:
Yep and there is something else: I figured out – against his permanent claims – that he was the one who detected all the “right wing” medias and writers. During the first 6 weeks after 9/11 he detected (without correct order):
Writer:
Diane West, Stephen Den Beste, Peggy Noonan, Claudi Rosett, Glenn Reynolds, Jamie Glazov, James Lilek*), Christopher Hitchens, V.D.H., Tim Blair, Ibn Warraq, Jonah Goldberg, Paul Sheehan, Barry Rubin, David Horrowitz, Matt Welch, Jay Nordlinger, Mark Steyn, Daniel Pipes.
Media:
Weekly Standard, NY Post, Memri, National Post (Canada), Wash-Times, DebkaFiles, NRO, Telegraph UK, JP, WND, Frontpage Mag., Fox News, Reason Mag., Israel Insider, WSJ.
Back then only a handfull of posters commented at his site but 99% of them critized him for linking to conservative media. Btw: even at that time he used the bann-stick but I don’t blame him, he was hunted by some very nasty left-wing anti-semites.
He openly spoke out against:
Cynthia McKinney, Michael Moore, Naom Chomsky, Arundhati Roy and: the LA Times.
(time line: 9/11 to October, 31, 2001)
@ song_and_dance_man:
*rofl*
@ F:
Looks like Blago may actually WALK!
PaladinPhil wrote:
Me too. One of the moments I asked myself what’s going on there.
A federal judge on Tuesday dismissed piracy charges against six Somali nationals accused of attacking a Navy ship off the coast of Africa, concluding the U.S. government failed to make the case their alleged actions amounted to piracy.
The dismissal of the piracy count by U.S. District Judge Raymond A. Jackson tosses the most serious charge against the men but leaves intact seven other charges related to the alleged April 10 attack on the dock landing ship Ashland in the Gulf of Aden. A piracy conviction carries a mandatory life term.
This is why you do NOT bring terrorists or pirates to civilian courts!
@ Iron Fist:
I remember the whole story, I watched it live (as a reader), it was stupid and you were definitely correct.
WA Unemployment Rate Drops To 8.9%
Could someone please explain to me the math that allow for a net INCREASE in the number of unemployed people makes the unemployment rate to go DOWN? Is this some new government math?
@ Macker:
When you buy a jury, it pays to buy the very best!
Poll: Huckabee, Romney the (very) early leaders in Iowa
Ick, ick, ick, ick, ick, ick, ick.
*BARF*
@ F:
Obamalgebra ?
@ F:
It’s actually simple. The rate went down, because the number of people in the workforce went down by more than the number of officially unemployed people went up.
Remember, people who aren’t collecting benefits or who have simply stopped looking for work don’t count as part of the workforce.
@ Nevergiveup:
Wait, what?
@ Nevergiveup:
So, because they were unsuccessful in their attack, it doesn’t count as piracy?
WTF?
F wrote:
They don’t count people who have given up on looking for work when calculating the unemployment rate.
If the number of unemployed who are looking for work is smaller the rate has gone down.
If more people have just given up looking for work the number of unemployed people has risen.
If the number people who were unemployed and looking for work last period gave up looking for work this period, and that number is greater then the number newly unemployed people looking work, I think the unemployment rate would drop while the number of unemployed people would increase.
At least that is how I understand it.
lobo91 wrote:
Kill ‘em on the high seas and be done with it.
@ Nevergiveup:
These motherfuckers should DIE!
@ citizen_q:
Sounds like a plan…
@ lobo91:
@ citizen_q:
I know that, but also see the weaseling inherent with the initial figures released getting revised back to a higher unemployment rate.
Government has been that for nearly as long as they’ve been taking and publishing statistics.
@ citizen_q:
They want to go to paradise, so I say send ‘em early.
@ F:
Send the whole damn country of Somalia early!
Macker wrote:
It’s already in Hell. Where ya want to send them?
@ Nevergiveup:
>:-[
MFers.
F wrote:
Sorry, not offense intended.
Agreed, I hate it when they try to lie with statistics.
F wrote:
True, I think that I do not like it any more than you do. Not then. Not now.
Middle East’s Western Media
Hypocrisy, Double Standards Out of Control
Snip
The arrest last week of seven Palestinian university lecturers at the hands of Palestinian Authority security services in the West Bank is yet another example of how the international media functions in this part of the world.
Some Palestinian stringers and reporters offered the story about the arrest of the academics to at least a dozen foreign correspondents and newspaper editors in North America and Europe.
Only one foreign journalist agreed to write about the story. His colleagues gave different excuses for turning their backs on the story.
Some said they were concerned about their personal safety should they report a news item that was likely to anger the Western-funded PA security forces in the West Bank.
Others simply blamed their editors in New York, Paris, London and Toronto for turning down the story as “insignificant.”
Earlier this week, a disenchanted Ramallah-based Palestinian journalist decided to put her Western colleagues to the test. She contacted the same group of newsmen and editors who had been offered the story on the academics’ arrest with a “new idea” for a news item.
The Palestinian journalist proposed that the foreign press write about a Palestinian university professor who complained that Israeli authorities had turned down his request to visit Israel together with his wife and three children.
The response from the international journalists came almost instantly. All but two said it was a “great story” and expressed readiness to start working on it immediately.
Snip
F wrote:
That’s what I call a win-win situation!
I hope all their virgins look like arafat. No, I hope all their virgins are arafat!
@ F:
People who get discouraged and quit looking for work or have been on unemployment so long they drop off (what is that now, 18 months?) no longer count as unemployeed. Neat trick, huh? The real unemployment rate is 15+% and the underemployed rate is much higher than that. I am gratful that I and my Old Lady both have good jobs. That is getting rarer.
@ Nevergiveup:
Someplace hotter? What is the temperature inside a star?
@ Macker:
No, I wouldn’t go that far.
citizen_q wrote:
Helen Thomas
@ Guggi:
Interesting story. To bad the MSM incapable of self-reflection, and is stuck in its own turgid hypocritical self-serving version of ethics.
@ Iron Fist:
I know all that, really. Going on 10 years being one of the undocumented unemployed.
@ Guggi:
But if there is dirt to be uncovered regarding a conservative or a Republican, then they will go the whole nine yards.
F wrote:
EEEEWWWWwwwwwwww!
Wait! helen might like it!
Wait!!!! arafat I know would like it!
EEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!
@ citizen_q:
Yassar Thomas or Helen Arafat.
@ citizen_q:
No offense taken.
My query was not a real query, was more of a comment of the disconnect and hypocrisy of government.
Nevergiveup wrote:
Perhaps the Ethiopians will kick their asses again?
@ F:
AIEEEEEEEE! MY EYES!
U.S., Israel Build Military Cooperation
Amid Fitful Diplomatic Relations, White House Fosters Defense Ties to Reassure a Pivotal Ally, Advance Mideast Peace
@ F:
Now you know how it feels to be a Pittsburgh Pirate fan.
@ Bumr50:
I am not an athletic supporter, but I do know about the Seattle Mariners.
@ Guggi:
Looks like Barry is finally waking up to the fact that he is getting pwned by all the world’s thugs.
Yeah, riiiiight.
m wrote:
Speaking of Third World, it was recently reported that Harvard was divesting itself from Israel. I saw links here yesterday. What actually happened is Israel’s economy is doing so well that they were upgraded from being an emerging market to a developed market so Harvard had to adjust their holdings to a different index. Think of little Israel surrounded by enemies, having to expend so much capital just to survive, and with almost no mineral or oil wealth and they are thriving. Arab countries with all their wealth? Not so good. Why is that?
This is exciting:
Pennsylvannia isn’t looking good for the Donkey-rats. That would be nice. I’m looking forward to Senator Rand Paul, too. Not a big Paul fan, but the moonbats will melt down over him, so go Paul! Go Angle! That would be another wonderful, vindictive victory. I don’t really expect to get the Senate, but it will be nice to send some of these rat-fuckers home.
@ Guggi:
Meanwhile, CJ’s ‘revoking’ John Bolton’s 2006 ‘anti-idiotarian’ award. The ‘logic’ is so twisted it’s painful. Kinda like ‘revoking’ the Pirates ’60 championship because they’re teh suck this year, or – more accurately – because they’re no longer my favorite team. Naturally Pam Geller is behind it – Bolton’s recent cooperation with her was the last straw for Charles. So who gets the 2006 award now? I nominate Obama for all he’s done since 2009.
@ Rancher:
Islam and Jew Hatred.
Oh, did you mean that question as being rhetorical? D’oh!
@ Macker:
You know your army sucks when the Ethiopians kick your asses. Might be time to beat your swords into plowshares, take up Buddhism, or smack…
@ nil stooge:
What’s that thing Bolton doesn’t give? A “rat’s ass”? Is that any rat, or just a demi[c] rat?
@ nil stooge:
I’m sure Mr. Bolton is just absolutely crushed with getting dissed by SChmuckie.
Yeah, riiiiiight.
@ nil stooge:
He’s revoking an award that HE DIDN’T FUCKING DECIDE ON? (that came later)
classic charles
@ m:
SChmuckie’s ego rivals Barry’s.
Iron Fist wrote:
And coincidentally, Bolton is on with Neil Cavuto right now.
I’ll watch to see if he brings up the subject…
nil stooge wrote:
I agree with you but I don’t understand Bolton. How can HE cooperate with Geller ? This can only ruin his reputation.
@ lobo91:
SChmuckie would go into warm gooey feelings overload if Bolton or Cavuto even obliquely mentioned a blog, let alone lgf.
F wrote:
True, but you know he was watching that segment, just in case…
Guggi wrote:
I don’t see that at all. Pam’s reputation will get enhanced with the cooperation of Bolton.
Rancher wrote:
Islam.
As Winston Churchill noted in The River Wars,way back in what 1899 or 1906(I am not sure of the Published date, but I don’t think the exact date is important):
It was true then, it is true now.
The first and continual victims of islam are muslims.
@ lobo91:
He’s probably screaming at his TV right now, whining neither mentioned him.
F wrote:
Not really. Obvious answer is Islam but how much and does Arab culture play a part? What are the incentives in these countries? I imagine in the West Bank and Gaza anyone who is doing well has to give the PA or Hamas a cut just as in any area controlled by organized crime or gangs. Many I’m sure say why bother. In other countries government positions go to party hacks or sons of the royals and they also have to be greased in order to get permits, licenses, or whatever other obstacles are thrown in the way. One thing the Islamists will tell you is that all the Jews the world over send money to Israel. That might have been the case in the 40’s and 50’s when they were trying to carve out a state in the middle of a dessert in enemy territory but I don’t think that’s the case now. In any case where is all the Arab money that could be helping their Islamic brothers?
@ Iron Fist:
@ F:
Bolton’s probably never heard of LGF of course. Wouldn’t that be something to see, a Bolton/CJ debate.
This kind of ex post facto revocation just begs for a list of other historical wins that should be revoked in light of current events, Obama’s 2008 election being the big one there.
87. nil stooge
Naturally Pam Geller is behind it – Bolton’s recent cooperation with her was the last straw for Charles. So who gets the 2006 award now?
Why dear leader himself, of course.
Speaking of Pam, she made CNN International this weekend over here on this side of the pond. The gave her only about 5 seconds of air time, but at least identified her correctly. Better than any NYT article that mocks you in any case.
m wrote:
lol,
He must cry when he looks in the mirror and sees his Halloween wig.
F wrote:
Jew hatred follows naturally from islam, being coded into its sacred scriptures.
@ F:
Her reputation but not his.
@ Guggi:
I don’t see his reputation getting tarnished in the slightest, except with folks like SChmuckie and his butt cult minions. That ilk would go all hyper no matter what Mr. Bolton did.
@ Rancher:
The reality is that there is no difference between the two, at this point. Islam is basically a codification of Arab culture into a religion.
@ nil stooge:
What do you expect from someone who fabricates his own blog-history ?
m wrote:
That was a great article by Chuck Norris. I’ve been working in Grimes County Texas for the past 2 weeks and I go right by his ranch at least twice a day. I’m always hoping I’ll see him out at the mailbox or rolling his garbage cart out to the highway. I’ll let you know if I see him.
@ Guggi:
Well this is the extent of the cooperation:
I don’t go to Geller’s site often because it is painfully slow at loading (I once heard the CJ designed the site, not sure if that’s the current version of Atlas Shrugs). However seeing her on Fox a couple of times recently, she came across very well – intelligent, articulate, passionate. I think her primary ‘crime’ is one of associations – one or two or three degrees removed from people who’ve said stupid things, and I just don’t buy the whole ‘guilt by association’ argument. But I’ll admit I’m not much of a Geller expert.
MikeA wrote:
Hell care was never abt. care. It was abt. power and money for the regime.
The sooner we hurry up and die, the more money they make to help them maintain control.
1389AD
Nice thread and thanks for the hat tip. I still need to catch up on a couple of the articles.
@ huckfunn:
Why not just go knock on his front door and chat him up?
@ lobo91:
I agree. And everywhere Islam goes they arabicize the culture (turning it into a backwards shithole like the rest of dar al islam)
@ F:
Every time I fact check Mrs. Geller she’s wrong or at least half-wrong. A lot of conspiracy, fantasy and exaggerations.
@ huckfunn:
If you do, give him a big thumbs up from me LOL!
Guggi wrote:
OK but stories like that always make me nervous. I mean that story was leaked, given, yada yada yada for a purpose.
m wrote:
Yeah, in the comments he washes his hands of the 2006 award – lizards did all the nominations and all the voting. That Chairman
MaoCharles graphic on DoD has never seemed more apt. He’s got all of the rights and none of the responsibilities.huckfunn wrote:
I lived in Plano from 94 to 99. I used to see Chuck Norris at my gym periodically back then. I did not know it was Chuck at first, he used to come in and work out with a guy and a girl. I finally asked one of the guys who worked there who the guy was that looked like Chuck Norris. He said that would be Mr. Chuck Norris!
BTW, it was the was named back then The Austin Gym. I think they changed the name just after I moved away.
F wrote:
Don’t think I want knock on his front door unannounced.
m wrote:
Will do
@ chickadee:
Yep, the sooner you die after your “productive” years the sooner they can get their hands on what haven’t managed to steal from you previously.
Plus they can always hold it over your head to keep you in line.
I hate those bastards pushing this shit!
Charles should just switch the titles of the awards. I’m sure the Fiskie winner of any year is now his anti idiotarian hero. Is this more proof that Charles isn’t the one who changed? LOL
@ nil stooge:
No, he didn’t but he helped her to start her won blog.
It’s not a question of being articulate but of facts.
She defended some very hmmmm… curios characters from Europe I wouldn’t I wouldn’t touch with a ten foot pole.
@ Guggi:
Next time you do share it here if it’s not too much trouble, so the hive mind can analyze it. I have that sense about her sometimes but – kinda like the loozards defending Reid’s suggestion to put the GZm somewhere else because they generally agree with his politics – it hasn’t turned me off to her, yet.
snowcrash wrote:
Brilliant suggestion. Someone with some artistic talent should do that cartoon.
@ citizen_q:
He was on someone’s talk show a couple of weeks ago and I was shocked to see that he dyes his hair dark. He needs to just give it up. He’s an old fart just like the rest of us.
@ Nevergiveup:
It’s not the first time I read that military cooperations between Israel and the USA have increased under Obama.
@ nil stooge:
He took the mask off last year and skipped nominations and voting all together. He just appointed his award winners, lol.
Yeah, Chairman Charles sure fits.
WTF was that??? It sounded like a howitzer just went off here. Something to do with zero in town?
@ Guggi:
Although hilarious the pic of her flipping off Cindy Sheehan is something I wouldn’t have done; nor do I think John Bolton would do either.
@ Guggi:
No argument there. Just saying that when I saw her on Fox recently, debating some Imam or other about the GZm, I detected absolutely no problem with her facts in that instance. And no factual problems the time before that, too, also on Fox, the topic of which escapes me at the moment.
@ ThreeHundred:
You’ve arrived just in time for Taco Tuesday!!!
@ nil stooge:
I did this here on blogmocracy in the past but it is time consuming and time is a rare good
Wow, just had 3 LARGE explosions near the house, one followed by two quick ones. Rattled the windows.
A friend just sent me this: Ecclesiastes 10:2 A wise man’s heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man’s heart directs him toward the left.
Guggi wrote:
Yeah and whom would that Bubba Mitza benefit right about now? Who’s support amongst the Jews is dropping like a lead weight in a the ocean?
F wrote:
I wonder if it’s related to what snork just reported?
@ F:
So you heard it all the way down there in Lakewood?
snork wrote:
Sounded like it was just the next street over, or the boys at Joint Base Lewis McChord playing with their toys again.
But I have never heard it that loud before.
KING 5′s website says it is sonic booms from military aircraft.
If this drug isn’t as effective as it was initially thought, that’s one thing. If it’s due primarily as a cost savings measure, we’re at the top of a very slippery slope.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
Geller’s more the polemicist, while Bolton’s just so un-PC plain spoken that he evokes a similar amount of leftist rage, so yeah no way he’d have done that. And I agree, Sheehan is equal parts pitiable, misguided, and despicable to me – too easy a target for something like that, even from Geller (except maybe a third of the time)
@ Guggi:
You are unutterably opposed to the EDL, so that isn’t necessarily a huge black mark against her. I know little of European politics other that in general it is far, far, far, far, far too Left for my tastes. What Europeans commonly refer to as “Right” is still pretty far Left from where I sit. So I take most things European with a grain of salt. I’m also far enough out from any immigrant ancestors that there is no place in Europe I look to as “home soil”. That also give me some perspective on the continent that some of my fellow citizens may lack.
Have already encountered a couple of rather subtle changes in my he11care. The Dentist has cut down my cleanings from 3 to 2 per year and my primary told me to let him know if there were any changes in my coverage. Whatever they know I’ll be finding out soon enough.
@ snowcrash:
He probably loves Jimmy Carter these days…
@ mfhorn:
Wouldn’t put it past government to gin up reports after the fact that any particular medication is ineffective combating something to smoke and mirror blatant fact the government or insurance companies won’t pay for something expensive.
My highly suspicious mind sees this as just another excuse for why the government needs to take over all of health care and freeze out the free market insurance companies.
@ Iron Fist:
It’s not only the EDL.
@ Guggi:
True, time’s dear. Got any links? Was it top-level post(s), or comments?
I do seem to recall some give and take here about European political actors and some sort of connection with Geller. That’s where it all began with Charles and her, ostensibly anyway, of course.
I have to admit I have a built-in bias against guilt-by-association in whatever form that might take (not that I’m accusing you of GBA, I don’t remember). I like to strip out the actors, consider the ideas and points of view salient to the particular topic at hand, and base my political judgements on that. But I’m persuadable.
@ vagabond trader:
The VA has begun asking EVERY visit for a veteran’s private insurance card, so the VA can “lay off” the costs onto the private sector.
@ F:
The denial of care will be small steps at first. They will move prostate TSAs up to age 55,same with mammograms,then obese folks will be denied joint replacement and offerred a scooter instead. Like that.
Rodan, we need a DoD thread on Chuckie’s revocation of John Bolton’s Anti-Idiotarian award.
John Bolton has now become a doubleplus ungood thoughtcriminal in Big Lizard’s Digital Oceania.
Let the two minutes hate begin!
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Anti-Idiotarians are Idiotarians!
I’m sorely tempted to burn the sock I was holding for the elections over this one.
@ F:
Yup,they will first go after the least likely to fight back.
@ The Osprey:
God, that is even more childish than his deleting all of my comments. Does he think his retroactive Leftist revisionism is going to change the fact that in 2006 LGF (himself included) overwhelmingly favored Bolton? Drugs. It all keeps coming back to drugs. Or Pod People. I guess there is a chance the Pod People got him!
@ The Osprey:
Northwest Cable News channel just had a blurb about the sounds, saying the FAA is reporting it is sonic booms, and in an aside they are reporting a serious airspace violation.
Then they went back to happy horseshit human interest stories.
vagabond trader wrote:
If the VA thinks I won’t fight back, they are very fucking mistaken.
Every time I get asked I look the person right in the eyes and tell them in all seriousness I will never get insurance no matter what the government does to me. Let ‘em fine and jail me.
The Osprey wrote:
Right after 9/11 there were military craft flying over Los Angeles; a thing I had never seen before. I believe it was a weekend morning when there was a very loud noise and a great rumbling- so strong that it set off car alarms up and down the street, and probably for tens of miles in every direction. I went outside to see if I could see or find the source and as I looked towards the San Gabriel Mtn. Range I saw a B1B thrusting as it climbed over the range around the Baden-Powel area. Freaking amazing to see that over the San Gabriel Valley.
123.
Plus they can always hold it over your head to keep you in line.
Its already spent. We can all thank LBJ for shifting over SSA funds directly into the general fund in 1965 for the looting kickoff. However I think people are starting to understand this scam is about over.
Do you think the Social Security system will be able to pay you a benefit when you retire?
Base = Not retired
Total Men Women White Non-White
—– —– —– —– ———
Will 39% 43% 36% 33% 53%
Will not 60% 56% 63% 65% 46%
@ Buckeye Abroad:
401k’s going going gone too
Any money in a pile will attract the vulture politicians
@ Buckeye Abroad:
Social security was always a scam. You “retired” at 62, but the average age for men was something like 58. For women it was 62, so the average recipient would be a widow-woman with a few months to live. Of course, most people were expected to die and never draw a thing. Just a big scam from the party of scams…
@ F:
Go gettum F. Wish my brother who also counts on VA care would grow a spine and tell them to fug off.
I guess I was wrong! And gladly so!
The Osprey wrote:
We need a bumper sticker :
Blue Angels @ Seafair with video.
http://www.tuneyfish.com/blog/seattle-sonic-boom-felt-two-huge-booms-at-150pm/
@ waldensianspirit:
Depends on the question. If you are asking for volunteers to hold targets at Paris Island…
Iron Fist wrote:
lol! You found a loop hole
@ Bunk X:
Down here in my slice of reality it was 3 booms, not 2.
*boom* (longish pause) *boom-BOOM*
@ nil stooge:
What I’m trying to say is that by endorsing Geller’s point of view on the GZm, for example, I’m not endorsing ANY other point of view of hers, she’s not running for political office, I don’t expect her to be leader of the free world, so I focus on the topic at hand and try to keep the argument in the domain of ideas, and in fact ideas that are salient to the topic being discussed. So her opinion on the Goldberg Conjecture, for example, is immaterial when discussing the GMz, and any attempt to conflate the two is simply a logical fallacy, and that’s what GBA is IMO. The strongest conclusion one can draw from GBA arguments, it seems, is that to whatever extent Geller (in this example) endorses ideas that are bad, racist, etc (and ‘endorsements’ in this context run the full spectrum from explicit, repeated agreement to simply not denouncing vigorously and repeatedly enough), that to that extent Geller (for example) may be an unreliable source and simply not worth the effort of reading, which of course says nothing at all about the validity of whatever particular opinion of hers I choose not to read because of her putative proclivity for unreliable, wrong-headed opinions.
nb- that’s my POV on GBA, not directed at anyone, not looking to reopen some argument about Geller and EDL or whatever. Maybe my POV on GBA is wrong – I’m open to other POVs on it.
145. Ironfist
I know little of European politics other that in general it is far, far, far, far, far too Left for my tastes. What Europeans commonly refer to as “Right” is still pretty far Left from where I sit.
Apples and oranges. They are all socialists at the end of the day. Don’t forget that. Also on the European contitnent the judicial practices are based on Roman law, not English common.
160. waldensianspirit
Any money in a pile will attract the vulture politicians
If not enough ground it taken back in 2010 and 2012, it will happen. I heard that O-man and dems were eyeballing IRAs and private pensions back in 2008. The country is headed for revolution, but not the kind the socialists envision.
@ Buckeye Abroad:
You’ve got that right. There is a lot more anger now than there was in 1994. If we don’t make substantive gains and see some real improvement, things look pretty grim. Have you seen the polls they are doing of the Political Class? Clueless. These people don’t even know what country they are living in. They don’t think anything important happens outside of DC and Europe. Like Michelle Antionette. She is a perfect example.
nil stooge wrote:
WTF, TMI IIRC FYI ROFLOL!
172. Iron Fist
They don’t think anything important happens outside of DC and Europe.
Europe is more broke than the US, but the public doesn’t know how deep.
The American left is so morally and intellectually bankrupt that all the money they are looting won’t mean much in the end. They are daily devaluing the same currency they are stealing. When the US dollar drops and those chinese imports are no longer cheap, what happens then? Heh. There is a good reason the world is looking for a different default currency. I don’t blame them in the least.
Re: Charlie’s revoking of Bolton’s award – I am almost embarrassed to admit that I used to like Charles Johnson.
Mind you he is revoking an award that we voted on for a man whose political opinions he shared in. Yes a grown man just did that.
@ Rancher:
Yeah, and the scary thing is not only do I write that way, I’m starting to talk that way too. OMG! I blame the kids.
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