Dr. K. ( a recent member of the “Under the Bus LGF Alumni Society”) rips apart the fallacious arguments that the proponents of the Ground Zero Mosque have been pushing. This whole notion that 9/11 was committed merely by 19 crazies makes no sense because if that was the case -why are we fighting radical Muslims half way across the world?
by Charles Krauthammer
It’s hard to be an Obama sycophant these days. Your hero delivers a Ramadan speech roundly supporting the building of a mosque and Islamic center near Ground Zero in New York. Your heart swells and you’re moved to declare this President Obama’s finest hour, his act of greatest courage.
Alas, the next day, at a remove of 800 miles, Obama explains that he was only talking about the legality of the thing and not the wisdom — upon which he does not make, and will not make, any judgment.
You’re left looking like a fool because now Obama has said exactly nothing: No one disputes the right to build; the whole debate is about the propriety, the decency of doing so.
It takes no courage whatsoever to bask in the applause of a Muslim audience as you promise to stand stoutly for their right to build a mosque, giving the unmistakable impression that you endorse the idea. What takes courage is to then respectfully ask that audience to reflect upon the wisdom of the project and to consider whether the imam’s alleged goal of interfaith understanding might not be better achieved by accepting the New York governor’s offer to help find another site.
Where the president flagged, however, the liberal intelligentsia stepped in with gusto, penning dozens of pro-mosque articles characterized by a frenzied unanimity, little resort to argument and a singular difficulty dealing with analogies.
[...]
Obtuseness of this magnitude can only be deliberate. These weren’t crazies. They were methodical, focused, steel-nerved operatives.
Nor were they freelance rogues. They were the leading, and most successful, edge of a worldwide movement of radical Islamists with cells in every continent, with worldwide financial and theological support, with a massive media and propaganda arm, and with an archipelago of local sympathizers, as in northwestern Pakistan, who protect and guard them.
Why is America fighting Predator wars in Pakistan and Yemen, surveilling thousands of conversations and financial transactions every day, and engaged in military operations against radical Muslims everywhere from the Philippines to Somalia — because of 19 crazies, all of whom died nine years ago?
[...]
Just as the people of Japan today would not think of planting their flag at Pearl Harbor, despite the fact that no Japanese under the age of 85 has any possible responsibility for that infamy, representatives of contemporary Islam — the overwhelming majority of whose adherents are equally innocent of the infamy committed on 9/11 in their name — should exercise comparable respect for what even Obama calls hallowed ground and take up the governor’s offer.
Read the rest here: Moral myopia at Ground Zero
Tags: Charles Krauthammer
see post 132 below for details
all ways with the new threads
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-20/mexican-authorities-arrest-five-police-officers-in-killing-of-town-s-mayor.html
“An Obama sycophant” – a perfect description of MSNBC and Charles Fatso Johnson.
It isn’t radical Islam that is at war with us, it is Islam that is at war with us.
1389AD wrote:
There is no such things as “moderate Islam” – there is only one Islam
as Ayaan Hirsi Ali has written and said.
@ taxfreekiller:
Yeah, it’s civil war coming down there. Hopefully they will have an Uribe like Colombia did who will take charge.
It’s a shame that even Krauthammer, in order to be listened to, must intone reflexively that “Radical Islam is not, by any means, a majority of Islam.”
Perhaps, strictly speaking, that is true—but only in the sense that “the majority” of San Franciscans are not willing to take to the streets the way the crazies there do. One hundred thousand San Franciscans would never go on a nude bike ride, or (probably) go and munch mayonnaise-covered pommes frites (that is mayonnaise, right?) at the Folsom Street Fair. But they actively enable those who do, just as the culture of Islam as a whole enables and supports the tens of thousands, if not actually millions, of Muslims who engage in what we are constantly being told are “fringe acts by a fringe element.”
Watch Ayaan Hirsi explain on Swedish TV what Islam is all about. She says you can integrate Muslims but not Islam.
@ 1389AD:
Islam is at war with everyone. They tell us this. The world is divided into Dar al Islam and Dar al Harb. Submission and War. Those are the poles for their worldview, not good and evil. I’m sure there are Mohammedans who believe more or less in this, just as you have Christians with differing views on abortion and homosexuality (though those are weak comparisons. Not even the Phelps Phreaks want to KILL all the gays bad enough to blow themselves up to do it). But the poles are what they are, and they effect their entire worldview just as our concepts of good and evil do. Good and evil are so ingrained in Western thought that even atheists try to justify themselves as being “good” (for the most part). So to Submission and War in the Mohammedan world. At least so it appears to me.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Can you tell “radical” Islamists by how “gnarly” their skateboards are?
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Iron Fist wrote:
I am increasingly convinced that Fred Phelps & Co. are a Democrat-subsidized false flag operation to ensure that “the gay vote” stays overwhelmingly away from the Republicans.
@ Bumr50:
If we call “radical Mohammedans” “Rad Heads”, are we raaaaacists?
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Yeah, I share your suspicions. Their money (and I mean a lot of money) has to come from somewhere. I’d be extremely interested to know where.
Quit Drinking the Muslim Way! Easy! Effective! Deadly!
Broken clock alert! I agree with The Jazz Man on this, Newt is a fraud.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Ia gree and the proof is that Phelps was a Democrat.
Watch Ayaan Hirsi Ali smack down Canadian loser Avi Lewis -- husband of moonbat Naomi Wolf
Iron Fist wrote:
I have no personal knowledge of any of this, but I suspect you are right.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I’ve noticed plenty of Repubs doing everything they can to make it clear that they do not welcome homosexuals.
WND just cancelled an Ann Coulter speaking engagement because she was making an appearance at a “gay GOP” event.
Rodan wrote:
Newt Gingrich is a great pundit and a decent historian but should never come near to the presidency. He has more baggage than a Samsonite store.
Rodan wrote:
Taqiyya = lie to pass this and every other test, then proceed with jihad.
@ 1389AD:
Exactly!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
The tactical reality of war is that it takes 25 support personal to support every actual combat soldier. The situation is no different for the Islamic conquest of the world. Well I guess it is different in this respect, it probably takes way more than 25 Muslims to support every actual jihad fighter.
Bumr50 wrote:
WND is a dumb blog that is not a part of the Republican party. Joseph Farrah is a loon himself. WND is as reliable as DEBKA File. People of all faith and even non faiths are welcome. AS long as you do not have sexual relations with under aged children ones sex like is ones own business.
@ 1389AD:
Must of missed that.
Speranza wrote:
Not dumb, just goofy as hell paranoid Christian far right. Minor difference otherwise you’re dead on target.
Speranza wrote:
That rules out the Muslims.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
The Phelps are not only registered dems Fred has run as a dem candidate. Why pin this on the gop?
Another courageous woman, Wafa Sultan on Sharia
I don’t think the majority of practicing Muslims are practicing the Islam that Mohammed preached. If they were, IMHO, we’d be facing far more violence than we are. Sure, it’s possible that the majority of Muzzies are just waiting for the chance to strike, but I think it’s more likely that they’re practicing ‘Islam’ to the same extent that Jeremiah Wright or Fred Phelps are practicing Christianity. What they practice has nothing to do what Mohammed (or Jesus) taught.
vapig wrote:
Because to the media – any nut has got to be a Republican, that is why.
Speranza wrote:
What a smarmy, disgusting slimeball he is.
@ vapig:
Since Phelps hates homosexuals, he’s GOT to be a Republican. Everyone knows Republicans, Conservatives, and Christians hate gays.
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doriangrey wrote:
Why thank you sir.
@ mfhorn:
The reality is that when you look at the numbers, the majority of Muslims can’t even read the Koran in whatever laguage they speak, much less Arabic, and most of them have never met a Christian or a Jew.
All they know of Islam is whatever they were taught by their local Imam and what they see their neighbors doing.
I have a math question….if you take a “tiny minority of extremists”….say about 300…..and multiply that by….hmmmmm, what would be a good number???…..when do those “tiny minorities” add up to a HUGE majority?
mfhorn wrote:
Some of my liberal friends, when they have some booze in them- just listen to the homophobic remarks that come out of them (and racist remarks too!).
Speranza wrote:
…who somehow is convinced that laissez-faire capitalism is statist and authoritarian collectivist Bolshevism is not…
What an intellect.
Speranza wrote:
Because to the media, the truth isn’t as important as what they can cause people to believe.
Charles Krauthammer is the William F Buckley, Jr. of our time and a national treasure.
@ Speranza:
I worry about extreme social conservatives hijacking elections by scaring the “flock” away from more libertarian leaning candidates.
They’re just as confused about what the tea party movement is really about as the Progressives are, IMO.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
and he is a major league ignoramus too!
Bumr50 wrote:
Oh I agree. If we concentrate on Obama’s horrible economic and social engineering projects as well as his feckless foreign policy – we will have a winner!
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Hey what’s your take on Bloomberg supporting Anti-Israel Democrat Joe Sestak?
mfhorn wrote:
Actually they are practicing their islam just fine in islamic countries (i.e. countries already conquered by islam). Those islamist in foreign countries are practicing stealth islam – the long range variety (i.e. out breed the natives and practice lawfare to impose a creeping sharia). Once they have sufficient numbers they will claim land. When that happens the only way to pry them out is to kill them.
…with a tiny minority here…and a tiny minority there…here a minority, there a minority….Ol mohammad waged jihad…..E I E I O**********************
doriangrey wrote:
To them there is no truth or non truth – there is that which advances your cause and that which does not. The truth is irrelevant to them.
Bumr50 wrote:
Amen you are preaching to the choir. Last week I had a thread about how the GOP should focus on Economic issues.
Speranza wrote:
You can tell immediately what party someone belongs to in the media. If they are dems it’s not mentioned at all. If they are gop they name it 350 times in two paragraphs.
ThreeHundred wrote:
ROTFLMAO… I wouldn’t go that far, the Kraut is a intelligent man, but he aint no conservative and he aint no William F Buckley, Jr.
ThreeHundred wrote:
I wish that O’Reilly would STFU and let Krauthammer speak when he is on his show.
vapig wrote:
I think you misunderstand. I am saying that Phelps is a false-flag operation.
In other words, his function is to present a rabid anti-homosexual face on “conservatism” and “Christianity” so that those who identify as “gay” will remain resolute in their fear of and opposition to anyone who is identified in the media as conservative or Christian, and thereby retain the “gay vote” for the Democrats.
It is my suspicion that he is subsidized by the Democrats for precisely this end. It takes a great deal of money to fly people around the country for the protests Phelps and his cultists engage in, and, while Phelps supposedly is highly litigious and has won a number of settlements and/or awards, this is a slow, uncertain way of making money. I seriously doubt it is enough to pay the bills; where does this money come from?
If indeed Phelps & Co. are such a false-flag, he has been phenomenally successful. Most of my gay friends, and those who are not gay but most sympathetic to gay-rights agitation, when asked to justify or support their reasons for their reflexive hatred of anything that smacks of conservatism or Christianity invariably cite Phelps and his gang—about half of the time by name, and the rest of the time clearly by the nature of what they claim they object to on the “conservative” side, for what they cite is always a Phelps shenanigan, not the action of any mainstream figure or group.
@ vapig:
Because they can. Historically, all of the bad guys during the Civil Rights struggle were Democrats. The Klan was practically an organ of the Democrat Party. The Democrats were pro-slavery and pro-South during the Civil War. The Republicans are the ones branded as racists, and the black vote goes 90% Democrat. It makes no sense, but it is the way it is. Republicans need to suck it up, and fight dirty in other ways. Right now it shouldn’t be difficult to brand the Democrats as the anti-American Party. Make that stick, and see where it takes us.
@ vapig:
Whcih is why we should freeze immigration from Islamic countries.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
It logically follows from your thesis that Phelps is also not a Christian. I’d have to say that I agree with that. He certainly doesn’t behave in a Christian-like manner. He is a charicature of what the hard-core Left thinks a Christian is.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Phelps is a registered Democrat.
Rodan wrote:
I thought Bloomberg was an asshole long before he shot his mouth off on this subject.
@ Iron Fist:
Paint the Democrats as supporters of Sharia law and Islamic Colonization. This is a winning issue!
@ buzzsawmonkey:
He claims to be Pro-Israel yet supports one of the most anti-Israel Democrats out there.
Speranza wrote:
Even when they are sober – the first thing they attack their opponents with is calling them a fag. (??!!??)
@ buzzsawmonkey:
So your gay friends and those sympatico to gays think because one obscure inbred pseudo Christian group spew hatred that all Christians are like minded? Sorry,your fiends sound ignorant and overwrought.
@ vapig:
Yup you notice that?
Think of Phelps as a Democrat sheepdog, herding the gay vote into the Democratic pen.
@ vagabond trader:
Yeah I could care less about Gays. I don’t support Gay Marriage, but care less about what they do in private life. I’m about what’s in my ppocket.
heh
The expanding Senate playing field
As we sat down to rank which ten Senate races are most likely to flip party control on November 2, it became immediately clear that our Line wasn’t big enough.
The simple truth is that over the past six to nine months, the Senate playing field has expanded to the point where there are now (at least) 15 races where a party switch is a real possibility — if not a probability.
Most of that expansion has benefited Republicans, who have effectively taken advantage of a national playing field tilted in their favor to take previously non-competitive races like Washington and Wisconsin and put them on the target list.
Democrats have a few more opportunities as well — most notably in Kentucky where ophthalmologist Rand Paul’s (R) uneven campaign has created an opening for state Attorney General Jack Conway. (An independent poll released Thursday showed the two in a statistical dead heat.)
All told, the Cook Political Report now rates a whopping 18 races as either likely to switch, leaning switch or straight tossups. The Rothenberg Political Report ranks 15 races with the potential to switch sides.
With all of that in mind, we are expanding the Senate Line from 10 to 15 races in an attempt to bring Fixistas the most accurate picture of the competitive contests this fall
hmmmmmmmmmm……….
vapig wrote:
Mickey Rourke said of Sean Penn – “He’s the most homophobic man I ever met”.
@ Philip_Daniel:
Hey, she taught Al Gore how to be a man. Look how well that went…
Trouble brewing!
Lebanon refuses to bow to Israeli warning on Gaza boat
Bumr50 wrote:
Ka’ababunga, dude!
vagabond trader wrote:
No argument from me. I found it interesting, last time I visited an old friend in SF, to try and walk on eggshells and get him and his pals to agree with conservative ideas.
It worked, some of the time—as long as one took care to avoid hot-button buzzwords and slowly lead them around to the concepts by, you should pardon the expression, the back door.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
They probably are open to the Libertarian variant of Conservatism as opposed to the more Social values one.
@ Rodan:
Same here,just keep the militant crap out of schools and keep your sexual activity to yourself,just as straights should.I also have gay friends and customers,none of the friends take the idiot Phelps clan seriously if they consider them at all.
@ The Osprey:
LOL
@ doriangrey:
Charles is right in his analysis regularly. I think he has a gift for situational assessment.
vagabond trader wrote:
Sadly I have a atheist nephew just like that. He see’s a few real crazies and insists that all Christians are just like the crazies, he knows I am a christian but insists that because I am not like the crazies that I am not a real christian, more of a non-practicing apostate according to him.
Rodan wrote:
Pretty much—but I have occasionally tried to make them begin to consider the fact that the current view of “gay” as a separate identity is a modern invention (i.e., mid-late 19th century) based on pseudoscience, rather than the bright-line distinction pushed by the gay-activist establishment. Some will nibble at this, as they will occasionally confess to being interested in crossing the line, but for the most part they’ve invested too much of their lives in the bogus “identity” that has been pushed for the last century, and publicly for the last 40 years, to allow themselves to do more than gingerly muse on it.
@ Rodan:
But a certain percentage of the people do care about gay marriage. It is another issue that used properly can show the Democrats as extremists and out of touch with America. Prop. 8, that a Democrat appointed judge just rulled unconstitutional, won something like 60-70% of the vote across all demographics. That even includes the black voters. Those 60-70% of the people have just been told not only to piss off, but that they are evil, or as close to evil as it comes in the Democrat’s shades-of-grey world. They’re “bigots” because they want marriage to mean what it has in all human cultures for all human history. Now, officially, that is the position of the Democrat Party. Their official position is identical to that of the Republicans, but it is Democrats who are pushing the issue in the media and in the courts. Make the Democrats take a stand on the issue. I don’t care what stand the Democrat takes, it is going to piss off some of their base. This is good. Anything that discourages the Democrat base from voting is good. And it is a win for Republicans to support “traditional” marriage. No one who will get in a huff about your opposing gay marriage is going to vote for a Republican, anyway. It is a winning issue for us, especially in the South and West.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
crazy…what deranged cleric…perverted
Rodan wrote:
I agree. I don’t support gay marriage (It’s a rite, not a right! Pick another name!), but I do support civil unions and legal protections. But that is never good enough for the militants!
The funny thing (not) is that when this came to a head in Europe (gay vs islam) the gays lost! And they’ve been silent about it.
Iron Fist wrote:
Note that the proponents of SSM frame the argument as if retaining the traditional definition is “denying rights to an oppressed minority,” instead of what it actually is; inventing a new “right” to placate a vociferous pressure group.
@ doriangrey:
Wow,that is some fancy thinking thar.
ThreeHundred wrote:
No actually he is not, he gets it right maybe 70 percent of the time, which generally speaking is pretty damned good. But when he is wrong he is very condescending about it. What he is is just another “journalist”. He does his homework and is intelligent but he isnt any great political figure.
@ vapig:
I like that…it’s a rite, not a right. +1
Guggi wrote:
You said it. The fatuous joy on his face as he recounts the story tells you everything you need to know.
@ vapig:
In Europe the Gays are now on the right and supporting people like Gert Wilders. It’s teh Gays in Europe who are at the forefront against islamization. WHat ironies!
@ Rodan:
They have seen up close and personal what the muzz have in store for them.
@ vagabond trader:
Theo van Gogh was gay I think.
Note, by the way, that the Islamists in the West took their playbook entirely from the gay-rights movement; the demands for special rights, and the “-ophobia” locution.
There’s an irony, if you like, given what they would do to gays if they get their way.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Heh… I am not trying to quit drinking dammit! Part of my Ramabomb Infidel Pledge™ was to drink more. I am just trying to increase my booze intake capacity. Hard to do when you are a 106-lb female. Maybe Snooki from “Jersey Shore” can give me some instructions. LOL.
ThreeHundred wrote:
He’s wrong occasionally. He’s believes in full amnesty for all illegal aliens. He’s also an open borders guy.
@ Iron Fist:
Well then they should run with ut in the South. In other parts of the country people are concerned about jobs and money. Banning Gay marriage isn’t going to improve my economic situation.
@ Speranza:
Geeze that guy was a bitch.
U.S.: Direct peace talks to begin on September 2 in Washington
Hillary Clinton, George Mitchell say through peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians, all final status issues can be resolved in one year.
One Year ha? So sayeth the Lord? Assholes.
@ m:
Wasn’t he? Then again,look who he lives with.
@ PrincessNatasha:
Yeah I’m going to drink wine and cook Cajun Chicken wings tonight!
Want some?
Nevergiveup wrote:
Haven’t we heard that song before?
PrincessNatasha wrote:
“When your day is done and you wanna ride on ; cocaine.”
rain of lead wrote:
Rasmussen’s poll from Wed. showed Paul with a 10 point lead when you include ‘leaners’.
@ m:
You like Cajun Chicken Wings?
@ Nevergiveup:
Oh no, I can imagine the demands they will put on Israel.Will Bibi have the cajones to block them?
Iron Fist wrote:
This came up on the BBC the other day – it was a hoot. The newsbabe was all, “A majority of Americans support gay marriage,” and the American she was interviewing interuppted her and said, “No! A mojority of Americans are oppossed to gay-marriage. The only states where it is legal is where the legislature has denied the people a voice in their own states. A plurality of the poeple, however, DO support civil unions.” Shut the babe up! She didn’t know where to take it after that!
@ Rodan:
Do you have an iron skillet?
I don’t yet, but I like cajun enough to get one once I have a house.
Rodan wrote:
Sure! Let me fire up my private jet and wake up the pilot from his drunken stupor… Oh wait…
vagabond trader wrote:
Israel should not give an inch.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
A pressure group that doesn’t really want the “right” that they are pressuring for anyway. If they did, they would be going about it entirely differently. There is much that the gay community can do to get the same kinds of privileges and protections that the straights get from marriage. Things like durable powers of attourney, living wills, wills, and so on. Yes, it is a bit more trouble, but love couquers all, does it not? And certainly there is nothing that society or conservatives do that prevents them from being in a stable, long-term, monogamous relationship. Of course, gay “marriage” isn’t about any of that. They could get that in about a decade if that was what they wanted by “marrying” as far as they can under the existing laws, demonstrating their long term, stable, committed relationships, and so forth and in about a decade people would feel guilty about denying them the “right” to call themselves married (as though they can’t), and the culture would change enough to permit it. That isn’t what it is about.
Bumr50 wrote:
Nah, she has to pee every month
vagabond trader wrote:
No, he wasn’t gay, Pim Fortyn was gay.
Iron Fist wrote:
Which is why I don’t think the Republican Party should give up on ANY demographic group. Don’t throw away the black vote, don’t throw away the hispanic vote. Show people that conservative values are closer to their beliefs than they’ve been lead to believe by people like Jesse Jackson and the National Council of LaRaza.
@ Guggi:
Thats who I was thinking of. Thanks.
@ PrincessNatasha:
Pick up M on the way!
OOps, forgot!
:lol
Bumr50 wrote:
I have an iron skillet. Actually, I have two. Why, you ask? Well, aside from love of cooking, these things are a mandatory weapon in the arsenal of any self-respecting Russian Wife. And that was my MOS for 6 long years.
@ vapig:
He also believes in gun control. He is right on some issues, but I wouldn’t exactly call him the sage for the Republican Party to follow to glory.
@ mfhorn:
The Hispanic vote is very winnable for the GOP. They just need to put out Hispanic faces and use the Spanish language media to their benefit. They also need to stop turning the Illegal Immigration issue from being hijacked by Hispanic haters and just make it a legal/criminal issue.
Good grief…another moonbat heard from. Get to the part where he says the majority should not control the minority. Isn’t that what he and his fellow moonbats are always fighting for?
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/71392
Happy Friday!!!
IMO I question the timing of these peace talks … are they going to be held soon so as to keep the Israel government from bombing Iran? … I would like to see peace there as much as anyone but at what expense to Israel …
someone mentioned it so …
Rodan wrote:
They should give them about 10 inches right up the keister, though…Sideways… Sorry, that filthy joke just typed itself…
@ mfhorn:
Obama has already stated he is against gay marriage,then he backed off it,as with everything else. If it is an important issue in a particular race,go for it. Otherwise,to focus on it with everything else going on,its a trap. imho.
Rodan wrote:
That makes sense. All these years the left has just used the gays to push their own agenda which is to dismantle the nuclear family and all western traditions. But when they came up against islam the left abandoned them.
The right doesn’t give a crap about what gays do – just shut up about it!
@ Iron Fist:
The homosexual community doesn’t want the right to get married, they already have that right, they can get married just like any one else. What they want is for the State to force God to renounce his assertion that homosexuality is an abomination.
Make no mistake about it, this is about forcing Christians to deny their belief that homosexuality is a sin and an abomination before god. It is about forcing Christian Churches to perform, sanction and bless the act of homosexuality.
Iron Fist wrote:
Well, the guilt you describe is already working on the leftward side of the spectrum.
Here’s the thing, though; a community committed to “proving itself” in the way you describe would not endorse, nay, celebrate, such public-sex extravaganzas as the Folsom Street Fair, which are, of course, antithetical to the “we want marriage” agitation.
More to the point, the modern—that is to say, post-Stonewall—gay-rights movement was grounded in radical leftism (big surprise, I know), and most of its founding manifestoes exalted the practice of promiscuity and explicitly said that one of its objectives was the complete destruction of the institution of marriage.
The bloom is slightly off the rose of promiscuity after the death-toll of the AIDS epidemic (in which the gay-rights activists were complicit by agitating against the closing of bathhouses and backroom bars), but nobody, to my knowledge, has ever examined the anti-marriage roots of the gay-rights movement and forced discussion of these manifestoes, or looked to see who from those days is still alive and agitating. Since there are some old-line activists like Kevin Jennings still around, this would seem to be an appropriate thing to do.
http://weaselzippers.us/2010/08/20/islamaniacs-in-somalia-burn-food-from-u-n-aid-program/
Fuck ‘em then.
@ PrincessNatasha:
So what are you drinking today?ore wine?
I was going to go to happy hour, but instead to save money decided on buying a bottle and making my own Cajun WIngs.
I’m going to blast Old SChool Rap at my House and hang out on the blog!
This is for you Iron Fist:
http://weaselzippers.us/2010/08/20/us-special-ops-use-new-belgian-assault-rifle-in-afghan-war/
@ buzzsawmonkey:
The Aids issue became one of health to a political one. The first disease to be politicized instead of dealt with medically.
Rodan wrote:
It is quite winnable, I agree. Many Hispanics are very religious (Catholic), so they are pro-family and anti-abortion. Also, the majority work their asses off and want to move up in the world, and KNOW that only in a free society is it possible. Plus, it is always just fantastic to find out that the cute Cuban you’ve been swilling Mojitos with all day actually has the same political views and does not find it odd to pick up the tab.
BTW, if you want to see what’s going to happen when same-sex marriage becomes law, look at the attacks on the Catholic Church and its hospitals, orphanages and other charitable institutions because of Catholic opposition to abortion. Think of that writ large; it will not be long before churches and synagogues that do not recognize same-sex marriage will face retaliation.
@ Rodan:
I am having Chilean wine, again. Not red, white this time. Too warm outside for red. I am celebrating a purchase of a Sig Sauer P230. I wanted a Walther PK 380 instead, but they sold the one I had my eye on, and this little wonder was just there for me to pick up and fall in love with. So, “he” is home with me now.
PrincessNatasha wrote:
Bah… Cast Iron skillets were invented to settle down Irish husbands. Having once witnessed my dear sweet 102lbs little Irish mother settle her husband down with one… Let me tell you something…
This may seem racist or whatever … but I work with many mexicans … from what I can gather now and from the last election … they will vote right now for whatever party gets them drivers licenses and amnesty … maybe later on they will decide based on more issues but right now that is it … so the democrats dangle the carrot …
The Snuggie Goes Niqab!
@ Rodan:
Oh man I could tell you some stories along that line. Not just gay related either. Where I worked during the early part of the AIDS crisis our transplant unit was into some sleazy political stuff. Cost people their lives too.
I’m watching GI Jane right now. It’s a crock of shit of course, but hell not bad really.
@ PrincessNatasha:
I’m going to have Marqeus de Riscal. That’s one of the ones I sent you on FB!
PrincessNatasha wrote:
Until you find yourself defending yourself from a redhead named Lucy!
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@ JacksonTn:
[sigh]
Israel can’t bomb Iran. Not with the desired effect, anyway, so there’s not much point throwing 40 or so planes at the Iranian air defense system to blow up some buildings and set them back a month or two. America could bomb the Iraninans completely out of the nuke business for 25-30 years if we wanted to, but under Obama and the Democrats that simply isn’t going to happen. It might would have happened already if the Republicans had held the House and Senate in 2006, but that effectively ended any American threat to the Iranian nuclear program. Everything else since then has been wasted air and cockrel posturing. The Iranians are going to get nukes, probably in the next two years. Then things get real exciting in the Middle East, especially if Zero the Wonder Prez™ (isn’t that what Carolina Girl calls him? I like it) is still President. Obama can’t find his ass with a division of National Guard troops, both hands, and a flashlight. Negiotiating co-existance between a nuclear armed Iran and Israel, well, probably isn’t possible, but there is no point in Obama even trying.
JacksonTn wrote:
Except that if they don’t get amnesty, they can’t vote. In most sane jurisdictions.
Niqab… For when your face looks uglier than your dog’s shaved azz!
If Krauthammer is not a conservative,then I do not know who is to be considered a conservative.
@ JacksonTn:
That’s becasue the Republicans have ceeded them to the Democrats. Hence those Mexicans are only listening to the Democratic viewpoint.
Bumr50 wrote:
LOL! Love that show! Lucy is DA BOMB. I have a cat named Lucy, but she is not orange.
@ PrincessNatasha:
Those little sigs are nice. Which model did you get? They make half a dozen different models of them.
@ JacksonTn:
How can they vote if they aren’t citizens? If they are legal, what the hell will amnesty do for them?
@ Iron Fist:
I am about to put up a pic of it on my much-neglected blog, in just a bit. Sorry, not blog-whoring, just want to show the pic.
doriangrey wrote:
Yes – you are correct!
Nevergiveup wrote:
I miss Demi MOore. She is every bit as good an actress as Julia Roberts is and a heck of a lot better then Cameron Diaz.
@ Rodan:
I do, but I have steak on the menu tonight! Knock yourself out!
Rodan wrote:
When you going to quit swilling that Charles Johnson kool-aid and drink a real mans drink? Get yourself some Stone Arrogant Bastard or some Maker’s Mark…
Speranza wrote:
Well some people have a purity test that could sink the Republican Party and put someone like Obama back in the White House
@ doriangrey:
Wine is a real man’s mdrink. It was the drink of the Roman and Spanish Conquerors!
Palestinians say Arab states cutting aid
Arab states have cut financial aid to the Palestinian Authority (PA) so far this year, according to PA figures seen by Reuters, and the United Nations has warned of a looming Palestinian cash crisis.
“The Arabs are not paying. We urge them to meet their financial pledges,” said Saleh Rafat, a member of the Palestine Liberation Organisation’s executive committee and one of the few Palestinian officials willing to speak out on the matter.
Arab government officials contacted by Reuters declined to comment on the issue.
The failure of some wealthy Arab states to pay up is frustrating Western governments, which are big contributors to the Palestinian territories, and leaving officials in the West Bank with a budget headache.
Some Palestinian officials speculate Arab states might be withholding the cash to try to persuade the Palestinian factions Fatah, which controls the West Bank, and Hamas, which controls Gaza, towards reconciliation.
Palestinian Finance Ministry figures seen by Reuters showed the PA had received $583.5 million in budget support so far in 2010. Only 22 percent came from Arab donors, the rest coming from international donors including the EU and United States.
In the last three years, the most Arab states have paid in any one year was $525.9 million, contributed in 2008, the figures show. Gulf oil exporters Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates have been the main Arab contributors since 2007. But in 2010, both have fallen well short of previous support.
This year Saudi Arabia had paid $30.6 million by August, compared to $241.1 million in 2009. The United Arab Emirates, which contributed $173.9 million in 2009, has yet to pay anything.
UNITED NATIONS WARNS OF SALARY CRUNCH
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So the thugs can’t pay any longer for their VW Passats, Mercedes’ and BMWs ? In no Arab country I’ve seen so many new middle class cars than in the W-Bank.
m wrote:
Natasha will pick you up with her private Jet! I will treat you both to Chicken Wings and wine!
The problem is Natasha doesn’t have a private Jet, yet!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Call me a defeatist, but this is precisely why marriage and government need to be divorced. They can’t demand that the government provide what the government doesn’t provide, and they can’t destroy what isn’t in their realm to destroy.
Family law already exists to provide rights to children; government recognition of marriage doesn’t add anything to this. If two people want to cohabitate in the long term, let them draw up a contract. If they want a religious wedding, get that from the institution of their choice. But the minute government starts providing marriage, they own the married, and marriage itself.
PrincessNatasha wrote:
ROTFLMAO… No worries, we’re totally cool with occasional blog whoring here, it helps us to better understand the opinions and views of the people were talk to here… *(my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect the position of the management here)
@ Guggi:
Ha Ha ha ha ha ha!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
The Catholic Church just left the entire city of DC when the city council forced gay marriage down everybodies throats. The people certainly didn’t want it – didn’t matter. So the church left the city.
Rodan wrote:
Yeah but Obama doesn’t have a clue and that doesn’t seem to stop him?
PrincessNatasha wrote:
You should do a guest post on it here!
@ Nevergiveup:
No we pay for it with our labors. Us serfs working for our Progressive feudal lords!
Rodan .. why yes they are only listening to the dems … when I was a dem I always said (because it was what I was always taught) .. “how could any gay or minority EVER vote republican” … echo chamber mentality …
Buzz … yes they cannot (or are not suppose to vote unless legal) but their legal relatives do vote and they want to get their families and friends amnesty … I was surprised to learn the other day that many mexicans I know have actual social security numbers … how does that happen? this whole thing is just one friggin mess … during the last prez election I remember many of the mexicans I know told me they were approached to register … I know now that it was by Acorn members … so really how many were able to vote … that is why when many said that the Acorn registration drives were only registering people but that those people could not ultimately vote … I question that and we will never know …
@ Rodan:
Wild Turkey or 100 proof Evan Williams. Anything under 100 proof is water…
The happiest people in the world
Canada and Israel have much in common. We’re both big believers in democracy and in fairness, we’re both highly diverse multicultural societies and both of us have dynamic economies.
But I was tickled to learn this summer that Canada and Israel have yet one more thing in common: We’re tied for eighth place among the happiest people on Earth.
Some people might be surprised to find Israelis at the top of the happiness charts. After all, Gallup conducted this poll from 2005 to 2009, and during that time, Israel fought two wars.
On top of that, Israel is often protrayed as a monstrous, apartheid state. Surely Israeli Arabs must live in utter misery — and since they make up 20% of the population, their despair ought to pop the happiness bubble, right? Apparently not. It seems Israeli Arabs are pretty happy, too.
Arab-Israeli soccer star Beram Kayal has an easy explanation for misconceptions about Israel. “People watch too much television,” he recently told Scotland’s Sunday Herald.
Snip
@ Rodan:
A lot of vino in the Bible too.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Completely moot point if the powers that be specifically prevent ID checking.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Oh! Another thing. Those pro-gay laws Sheila Kuehl forced through will all but make religious schools illegal in California. Those two school girls who were kicked out for being gay won a lawsuit against a religious school and new laws do not exempt religious schools.
@ vapig:
@ vapig:
Retaliation against conservative religious institutions as a result of same-sex marriage is not a bug. It’s a feature.
Rodan wrote:
No it wasn’t, wine has always been the drink of the silly boy ruling class, real men of courage and valor have been drinking beer since the Sumerian’s invented it, 8000 years ago…
doriangrey wrote:
Love Arrogant Bastard… Cannot stand Maker’s Mark. Stuff tastes like old laundry smells. Sorry. I had to choke that shit down at my Battalion Commander’s party, to be polite… OMFG… Drinking whiskey is probably just like being teabagged by Satan. NASTY!!
@ NoThreat2U:
Yeah, I’ve seen those. You can get a civilian version of them. FN has some interesting thigs out, but they aren’t to my taste. What I want is an LWRC M6A2 with a 10-12 inch barrel. I can’t get that, due to oppressive, unconstitutional laws. They make a 14.7 inch barrel version with a permanently attached flash-hider, though, that meets the legal requirements. One of those might fall out of the sky for me some day
doriangrey wrote:
Jesus drank wine. Are you calling Jesus a pansy? Off with your head, you infidel! ROTFLMAO
doriangrey wrote:
Au contraire. Wine in the ancient world was not only a drink of Real Men, it was a way of making sure that you were not poisoned by questionable well water, stagnant cisterns, or sewage in the streams.
Wine in earlier times was a heavy, syrupy, highly potent substance that was mixed with water in various strengths, to taste—and the alcohol helped neutralize noxious bacteria.
m wrote:
He sure is the prototypical lefty girlie man.
Oh, and I must say … despite having produced Obama … Chicago is a great city … I just got back from business in Chicago and the lakefront area this time of year is perfect!!! … the city has some of the best restaurants and shopping … get away from the lakefront area and not so great but I always love going to Chicago for this meeting … the Air Show was there this past weekend and it was great weather for it … the Blue Angles flew … I always get choked up when I see them …
@ buzzsawmonkey:
It is one of the main reasons they are pushing it, IMHO. The Left would like nothing more than to outlaw Christianity, no matter how sanctimonious they are about “freedom of religion” when it comes to the Mohammedans at Ground Zero.
doriangrey wrote:
Blood has been the real man’s drink through history, but that went out with Vlad the Impaler…
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I keep telling my Old Lady that if I keep my blood alcohol level up I won’t get sick, but she’s not buying it for some reason
Nevergiveup wrote:
We are allowed to disagree. Why does everybody have to agree 100% with everyone else? It always irritates me when someone – over one issue – says that someone has “lost” them because of a remark or stance they take, when they actually agree on more than 90% of the issues.
doriangrey wrote:
I disagree. I am a conservative. Geller and Spencer are conservatives, though not so much so as I am. Nobody in public life at this time is a real conservative in the sense that our Founders would have recognized them as their fellow Americans.
Terrifying: Leonardo DiCaprio is a dead ringer for the young Lenin.
snork wrote:
Truer, more perceptive words have not been spoken! That said, however… Because we have separation of church and state, unlike in the olden times, this becomes tricky. A marriage is also a business contract. The government’s legitimate job is to protect an individual from fraud and initiation of force, so a violation of contracts applies. So, because marriage IS a contract, one can argue that the government can and should step in, to make sure the contract is honored, and enforce punishment if it is not. I, personally, believe kicking someone’s ass is more effective, but that argument DOES hold some weight. Playing Devils Advocate, again.
IronFist .. don’t you have diabetes? … are you allowed to drink? … be careful son we need you around …
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
So Manischewitz cough syrup is the forerunner to chlorine?
snork wrote:
Kinda, yeah.
snork wrote:
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@ buzzsawmonkey:
*caclkle*… *gigle*…. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! OMG… We need to make a movie about young Lenin, starring Leo! Lenin was actually very cute when he was a baby. This cherubic, chubby-cheeked, curly-haired darling of a child! There are portraits of Lenin as a child, just google and see! Too bad he grew up to become weapons-grade ASSHOLE.
@ vapig:
That usually means they have a purity test on one of the issues you disagree on. Everybody says they don’t want purity tests, but everybody has them. You have to, otherwise, well, I wouldn’t like Barack Obama any more if his name were followed by an “R” instead of a “D”. You have to have some core principles, or politics ceases to have any real meaning.
@ JacksonTn:
Not allowed to is correct. Not by choice, I assure you.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
If I recall, that’s why St. Paul told Timothy to have a little wine for his stomach. Tastes a heckuva lot better than chlorine, IMO.
snork wrote:
Well, WTF, what the hell am I supposed to mix my Bloody Marys with, now?! Friggin’ tomato juice?!
@ doriangrey:
The Roman Legions and Spanish Tercios were heavy Wine Drinkers.
1389AD wrote:
Jagermeister is the best stomach remedy. But not by the gallon, as we drink it here on Spring Break.
@ PrincessNatasha:
No problem. You sign a simple cohabitation contract. The marriage ceremony is something else entirely. What has to be modified though is how we do taxes. The joint filing thing has to be available to people with a simple cohabitation agreement, more like a business partnership than what we think of as marriage. You get married in Church, Temple, or in front of a witch-doctor. You go to your lawyer for your cohabitation agreement.
The Israelis have a variation on this, where the state doesn’t grant married status; they either recognize a religious marriage, or a secular one from overseas. Secular Israelis often go to Cyprus to get married, and then return with the Cypriot certificate, which is then recognized by the government.
@ snork:
Well he was Latin and we have a habit of liking Red drinks!
:lol
@ 1389AD:
A lot of local bars have this stuff.
It’s pretty damn good!
Iron Fist wrote:
I’m waiting for it to become a hate-crime.
@ PrincessNatasha:
I like shots of Couvassier Cognac! Brings out my Evil Spaniard side!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Beer is documented to be 8000 to 10,000 years old, wine, a mere 4000.. Evidence suggests that beer is the reason bread was invented.
@ snork:
I agree with you. From a Libertarian-Conservative view, the State should not be in the Marriage business.
PrincessN … Jager? .. geez … every single time I drink that I yak … it produces a great buzz but always make me sick … no matter how much of it I drink … of course, I am getting older so that may have something to do with it …
@ buzzsawmonkey:
@ snork:
Sounds good. As a resident lapsed Orthodox and a full-on G-dless heathen, I do not view marriage as anything BUT a business contract. Love has its place and helps a lot, but, with rare exceptions, it has an expiration date. Also, love is not quantifiable and is not a legal term. (Neither is hate, and “hate” crimes are a load of crap but that is a topic for another thread). So, since the gubmint is our only means to enforce a contract, there is no way in heck to get it totally out of the marriage business without completely changing the entire society.
Rodan wrote:
People don’t seem to realize that to this day, the Romanian people are proud of Vlad Dracula. Elena Ceausescu must be green with envy down there.
@ PrincessNatasha:
Pelinkovac is the drink of champions.
@ snork:
Vlad is a real hero, he fought the Turks.
JacksonTn wrote:
I am the same way with Goldschlager, another German atrocity perpetrated against innocent Junior Army Officers and college students. Good Lord, but that stuff is horrid! I am getting older too, so one shot of well-chilled Jager is all I can take. I used to chug “screaming nazis” (Jager and Rumple Minze mixed together) during my Freshman year like it was nothing… Being a Junior, in Engineering, you mellow out, a lot. You worry about brain-food, and sleep, and exercise, as well as homework. Getting old sucks azz!
Iron Fist wrote:
Back in 2008 somebody accused me of being a racist for opposing Obama. I said that I don’t oppose him because of his color, but because he’s a babykiller. My response was ignored.
Rodan wrote:
Fought them, hell he scared the crap out of them.
@ PrincessNatasha:
But by making it a pure contractual matter, it gets harder for political activists to dick with it. Right now, getting married is essentially like signing a boilerplate contract that can’t be modified. It doesn’t make any sense, and the very immutability of the common law makes it subject to all of this political dicking.
All of the ostensible issues that gays have can be addressed in a simple contract – inheritance, medical decision making, even sharia could be accommodated as long as it doesn’t conflict with bigamy laws and such, but you have to get the existing boilerplate agreement out of the way, or what you have is a semi-worthless prenup.
Rodan wrote:
My Dad’s name is Vlad (Vladimir) and he is pretty bad-ass, so thanks!
@ PrincessNatasha:
Love is all in the head.
Rodan wrote:
Cognac is tasty but EXPENSIVE!
@ PrincessNatasha:
PrincessNatasha wrote:
Umm, I guess that means you aint up for the only way I will drink Jagermiester, 50/50 with Goldschlager…
Rodan wrote:
The greater or the lesser head?
snork wrote:
Well, to hell with political activists. I am about sick and tired of “activists”, since the only ones that are really obnoxious and that are leeching off taxpayer money are the ones from the left. To hell with them. Let the courts and the normal lawyers handle it. Let the individual churches decide to perform the ceremonies or not and let it rest.
PrincessNatasha wrote:
Isn’t that the cinnimon stuff? Heartburn city!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
OMG, You’re killing me here!
@ Bumr50:
Then I must be a champ
doriangrey wrote:
And that is why I drink beer but do not eat bread. Why should I overload my system with the exact same ingredients that are processed exactly the same, almost (bread is actually harder on you than booze)and not even catch a buzz out of the whole thing?
1389 … somebody? … geez … just one person … try being from the south as a dem and then deciding not to vote for Obama … immediate accusation that you belong to the KKK … fuck them … I have not changed my registration from dem yet as I wanted to vote against my congressperson in the primary … I wrote in Hillary Clinton … I bet he gets the message … he will be elected again but not with my vote … it is a pretty conservative district but many dems by tradition which is what my family was … but we all will vote against him in the general … and then we all have decided to change our party affiliation to indy … never again will be ever vote along just party lines … he is in a pocket of blue in a rural area that I believe will change after this next election … he is a farmer and tries to act like he has our best interest in his heart we do not believe him
Iron Fist wrote:
True, lol!
Homemade sljivovica is often “barrel proof” – well above 100 proof, but not tested or labeled. One time I drank whisky with it as a chaser!
vapig wrote:
And that is the lesser of its evils. Usually, projectile vomiting and an instant migraine precede the heartburn.
You know that old expression everything he touches turns to….
PrincessNatasha wrote:
Oh ya’ll just haven’t lived till ya have enjoyed a good deli sammich with a real hearty beer. One of my favorite is a Pastrami on rye with a Samuel Adam’s Boston Lager… OMG, I am makin myself hungry…
doriangrey wrote:
Ditch the bread, double up on the beer, and ya got me with the sammich.
PrincessNatasha wrote:
ROTFLMAO… just did that, handful of Pastrami wrapped around a pickle and a slab of cheddar…
PrincessNatasha wrote:
Vlad Tepes blog. Heh™.
doriangrey wrote:
I have an iron skillet but would never wield it as a weapon of domestic violence. I’d wield it against a home invader, though.
Actually, the iron skillet puts a little extra iron into food that is cooked in it. The body can absorb that iron. Some people have a body chemistry that makes them prone to iron deficiency, and the iron from the skillet is far easier to tolerate than iron supplements.
@ 1389AD:
I have been known to drink shots of Bacardi 151. Anything labeled “Flammable” has to be good
@ snork:
They do something kind of like that in Germany. The state doesn’t recognize marriages performed in church. You basically have to get married twice.
It’s actually Vlad Țepeș. Pronounced “tsepish”.
“It’s hard to be an 0bama sycophant these days”
Uncomfortable and hell on the knees
1389AD wrote:
Umm, back in the 70′s that wasn’t actually considered domestic violence… Time have changed ya know…
PrincessNatasha wrote:
Shit! You just made me LOL at work and now everybody is looking at me!
doriangrey wrote:
The beer is the bread. You don’t need any of that baked crap.
doriangrey wrote:
And pizza!
doriangrey wrote:
Oh and the beer was Stone Levitation…
vapig wrote:
It’s OK. Tell them I am a dumb 1LT. They’ll understand! LOL
vapig wrote:
The thought of drinking that stuff is making my stomach turn…
OK, OT blog-whoring alert, but the pic of my new Sig is posted.
@ PrincessNatasha:
@ vapig:
You 2 killed the thread!
Rancher wrote:
I love pizza. I make the crust out of meat!
@ PrincessNatasha:
Your “Tom” looks a lot like my “Snork”. ‘Cept Snork is a girl, and a little lankier, and when you shave her, her base fur is grey. She was grey as a kitten, but as the fur grew out, it darkened. Oh, and her tail is as long as her body. Freeky kitty.
@ Rodan:
Fine, then! Whatevah! I posted gun-pr0n and I bet a few people went over to see.
hoooray!!!!
we are finally home.
PrincessNatasha wrote:
No I was talking about the Cinnamon drink!
I was joking!
Easy there!
@ PrincessNatasha:
How do you do that?
PrincessNatasha wrote:
I did.
snork wrote:
Wow… You just described Tom perfectly. Now he is 5 months old, much bigger than the picture, but he is very lanky,cskinny, with huge long paws and a huge long tail. And yes, if you look at him up close, he is not all black and white. His “undercoat” is grey. Very cool cat.
coldwarrior wrote:
welcome back!
coldwarrior wrote:
What’s up, I’m trying to get out of here. It’s wine and Cajun WIngs for me tonight. I’m going to the Supermarket and get the wings.
Oh, I almost forgot about 1389′s help … remember when you helped me with that little kitten I found and making it go to the bathroom … It was only two weeks old .. anyway … that kitten is so cute now and has made itself a real member of our family … it was hard going for a few weeks as it was so young when my friend found it and gave it to me but she survived!!! … thanks!!!
@ PrincessNatasha:
Goldschlaeger isn’t German, it’s Swiss.
PrincessNatasha wrote:
Oh, nice little pop gun…
@ lobo91:
@ Rodan:
yay!
wings here as well (house spices) and some fuller’s esb.
Ok, The Beautiful M’s thread is up!
See you all over there!
@ Rodan:
get the ground meat that is kind of lean, because the more fat it has the more it shrinks… Form it to a pan, just like you’d do to a dough crust, then stick it in the oven at about 375 to 400 to cook it through. Season it before, of course, salt and pepper should be enough.
Once it is cooked, pull it out, throw the toppings on, then under the broiler they go until cheese is melted and stuff is done. Then you eat it. With beer or wine or whatever. It is so delicious, you’ll fall in love!
@ coldwarrior:
Bring us anything?
@ Guggi:
German, Swiss and AUstrian is all the same!
Runs from Guggi throwing her $2,000 Jet Set Designer shoes over to the next thread!
JacksonTn wrote:
Yay! Praise the Ceiling Cat! Love kitteh survival stories.
doriangrey wrote:
I’d think about getting a .380 if I had rat problems, maybe…
@ lobo91:
Not only in Germany, in France, Austria, Hungary or the Czech Republik (to name only some) too.
vagabond trader wrote:
dirty laundry, a sun tan, and a boat load of fresh corn
coldwarrior wrote:
“Powerful gasoline, a clean windshield, and a shoe shine…”
—Firesign Theater
lobo91 wrote:
Well in all fairness they do serve a good purpose, as their ammunition is cheaper than .44 or .50 magnum.
lobo91 wrote:
Well, that is what I have. Ghetto-rats. I live in the ghetto. Because I fell in love with a building, that was built here in 1929, before this neighborhood became a ghetto. This used to be a posh neighborhood. Still, I have fabulous neighbors. We hang out. We look out for each other. But there are assholes who make this neighborhood bad. Myself, along with some others, are kinda policing the place. Guess what? It is safe for convertible Jeeps AND runners, now! Also, for moms pushing strollers. Grassroots work with human beings pays off. Old black granny sitting on her porch now has a gun she can fire at assholes if they try to rob her house… Little things, really, but nothing beats being responsible for your own life.
PrincessNatasha wrote:
Then he’s going to grow up with a long tail, and very long whiskers. And he’ll get darker, but if you give him a trim (since we don’t have AC in the PNW, I shave the cats in the spring), his grey will start showing again.
You can keep the dirty tan,I’ll take some corn off your hands
Just found a neat recipe for basil butter.
@ doriangrey:
Just about anything is cheaper that those.
If I wanted something cheap to shoot, I’d get a .22.
I’ve never fired a .380 that didn’t jam at least once per magazine, including a Walther PPK. And I’d never use one to shoot at anything that might hurt me.
doriangrey wrote:
Look, I fired all the big-caliber stuff… I fired a .50 cal machine gun, and an MK 19, and a m240, and an m249… Not important!!
I am a small person… If I aim my little pop-shooter (or whatever the fuck people call it) right, I will disable my target. I shoot them in the cranium, they are dead. I shoot them in the liver, they are dead. I shoot them in the heart, lung, whatever, the result is the same. I do NOT care how big the hole is. I am not a sadist. I just want to live my damn life.
snork wrote:
Tommy is an all-indoor kitteh. They will never cut his hair, they will just brush him. He already has the longest whiskers I’ve seen on a cat. I think he will be huge, eventually, since he is now neutered. He is a very beautiful cat, I have not seen one that beautiful and that aristocratic in demeanor since our old Tishka, back in Russia, years ago. The weirdest thing about Tom, he has the softest fur I’ve ever felt on a cat. His fur is softer than a mink’s or a rabbit’s. I am glad he is not a hat by now!
@ PrincessNatasha:
A well-placed shot from a .380 can certainly disable or kill an attacker. Nobody’s disputing that.
The problem is, shooting at someone when your life depends on it rarely results in well-placed shots. Look at records of police shootings, if you want proof of that.
You don’t have to go to the other extreme, of course. Nobody seriously thinks a .44 Magnum is a practical carry weapon, Hollywood aside.
But a .380 is an extremely marginal round for defensive purposes.
PrincessNatasha wrote:
God may have made man (woman), but Mr. Colt made them all equal.
lobo91 wrote:
I’d get a big snake!
Rodan wrote:
and in other places too!
vagabond trader wrote:
How’s he enjoying Martha’s Vineyard?
i carry a 9×18 makarov (when i carry)
my browning hp is too big for summer carry and the .357 is just ridiculous.
coldwarrior wrote:
I would love a Beretta.
@ PrincessNatasha:
I was serious about the jamming issue, BTW.
If you haven’t had much experience with them, you probably aren’t aware of it, but pistols in that caliber tend to be extremely sensitive to what kind of ammo you put in them. I honestly don’t know why, but I know it’s true.
I’d suggest either asking around to see if you can find out what people have used successfully in that particular gun, or buying small amounts of as many different brands as you can find and testing it yourself to see what works.
Truest me…you do not want a stovepipe jam when your life depends on it…
@ lobo91:
hmmm…my maks have had over 300 rounds each put through them and never a jam.
the browning hp i have will jam on certain types of ammo.
coldwarrior wrote:
9×18 Makarov isn’t the same round as .380 ACP.
For some reason, .380 ACP pistols are pretty finicky.
@ lobo91:
i know, the rounds are very close and te action of the makarov is a walther design (taken back to russia as war reparations)
JacksonTn wrote:
Glad to hear that!!!
Speranza wrote:
Or a big CAT – or several.
coldwarrior wrote:
The reliability difference probably has to do with the Makarov being a slightly more powerful load. Most of the jams I’ve seen with .380s have been stovepipes, which tells me that there isn’t enough recoil energy to completely cycle the action.
@ lobo91:
yeah, ok, i’ll go with that explanation.
sounds good to me!
@ coldwarrior:
It certainly isn’t a quality issue. I’ve seen it happen just as frequently with Walthers as I have with cheap crap like Bersas.
I’m convinced it’s the ammo.
At any rate, I would never point one at anything that might hurt me.
coldwarrior wrote:
I had one of those C&R CZ82′s in 9×18 Mak that I was using as a carry gun but I have switched to a Glock 19 9mm. I’ve always been a steel frame traditionalist type but the 19 is the perfect combination of weight, easy to conceal, and yet still heavy enough to be comfortable to put 100 rounds down range with at a time for practice sessions and long enough barrel to be accurate at a decent range. It’s turned me from a Glock h8er to a Glock believer.
coldwarrior wrote:
A good HP gunsmith can fix that. Cylinder and Slide are the premier Browning High Power tuners.
I wish we stiil had duels fought with swords.
Speranza wrote:
I’ll stick with my Glock, thanks.
Or if I really need something pointy, I can always mount a bayonet on my Mossberg 590.
The Osprey wrote:
i have a soft spot in my heart (and head) for the browning hp mk 2.
it only chokes on cheap ammo, of course.
lobo91 wrote:
Spitballs at 5 paces.
Speranza wrote:
Didn’t you hear, per littlegreenmoonbats, she’s a bigot.