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Barbarians at the gate: 1600 years ago today – the day it all went wrong for Rome

by Speranza ( 126 Comments › )
Filed under Academia, History at August 24th, 2010 - 8:30 pm

The fall of Rome is a subject that historians have debated ad nausem.  I always felt that the question should be, why did Rome survive for so many centuries? Actually  the first sack of Rome was by the Gauls in 387 BC – however Rome was on mighty empire then.

key quote – “The moment the Roman Emperor did not pay any more they changed sides and sacked the town”

by David Willey

The drama of the sacking as caught by French painter Jean Noel Sylvestre in 1890

The first sack of Rome helped hasten the end of the empire

Tuesday marks the 1,600th anniversary of one of the turning points of European history – the first sack of Rome by an army of Visigoths, northern European barbarian tribesmen, led by a general called Alaric.

It was the first time in the 800-year history of the Roman Empire that the city had been successfully invaded. The event had reverberations around the Mediterranean.

Jerome, an early Christian Church Father, in a letter to a friend from Bethlehem – where he happened to be living – wrote that he burst into tears upon hearing the news.

“My voice sticks in my throat, and, as I dictate, sobs choke me. The city which had taken the whole world was itself taken,” he said.

Although Alaric was a Christian ransacking a Christian city, there was an ominous feeling that the world structure built by pagan Rome was disintegrating.

The Roman Empire survived for a few more decades, and later other armies sacked the city again, but this was the date which marked the beginning of the end of Rome’s grandeur.

Centuries later, the city which had at the height of its power boasted a population of more than a million people, was reduced to a lawless, ruined village of no more than 30,000 residents.

Marching in unopposed

Pagans claimed that Christians had destroyed the greatest human achievement ever contrived.

And Christians themselves, who had boasted that they had saved whatever was good in ancient civilisation, lifting it to new heights, suffered a crisis of confidence.

Although the now-Christian Roman Empire was divided between an Emperor of the West, ruling with his court from the city of Ravenna in Northern Italy and a rival Emperor of the East, ruling from Constantinople, there was a feeling that there had been a breakdown at the centre of things, in fabled Rome.

Historians and archaeologists from Germany, Switzerland, Britain and the United States specialising in the decline and fall of the Roman Empire have decided to meet in Rome in October and November to pool their latest research about this first Sack of Rome.

One of the organisers of the conference is Philipp Von Rummel of the German Archaeological Centre in Rome.

I asked him if 24 August 410 might be considered the 9/11 of the ancient world.

“Probably even more so,” he replied. “I don’t know if people will still be talking about 9/11 in 2,000 years time, but the events of that August day still influence our contemporary view of history.”

Who exactly were the Visigoths, the barbarians from the North who marched unopposed into Rome?

Mr Von Rummel says the latest research reveals a very different picture from that held as recently as 50 years ago.

“Today we know the group consisted of different people, it was mainly an army with a successful leader. People joined this group inside the Roman Empire. They sacked a lot of towns but they acted in different ways, they also were a sometime partner of the Romans,” he said.

“The moment the Roman emperor did not pay any more they changed sides and sacked the town just to tell the emperor: ‘You should pay us’.”

Looting and pillaging

I went to look for evidence at the northern walls of Rome, still almost intact for long stretches after nearly two millennia.

There is a gap marking the site of the former Salarian Gate just across the road from a modern department store. Alaric’s army took the Via Salaria – the so-called salt road – linking the city to the Adriatic Sea.

When the city gates were opened by slaves, Alaric’s ragtag army rushed inside to loot and pillage. The sack lasted for only three days, after which Alaric withdrew and marched south to set sail for North Africa, an important and wealthy Roman province.

Read the rest 24 August 410: the date it all went wrong for Rome?

Coldwarrior added: here is a video of Prof Eugen Weber from last Saturday’s Lecture series describing the collapse of the Western Roman Empire…as background to this post.

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126 Responses to “Barbarians at the gate: 1600 years ago today – the day it all went wrong for Rome”
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  1. 1 | August 24, 2010 8:39 pm

    I wonder when the Mohammedans will sack New York?


  2. 2 | August 24, 2010 8:41 pm

    Dude seriously, what’s with the picture? If I wanted to see a bunch of gay propaganda, I’d have gone to Hotair!

    /JUST kidding


  3. Doppelganger
    3 | August 24, 2010 8:44 pm

    There are many similarities between the Sacking of Rome, and when the Lakers or Pistons win the NBA championship


  4. Macker
    4 | August 24, 2010 8:45 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I wonder when the Mohammedans will sack New York?

    They’ll do that the moment they can start selling this there.


  5. 5 | August 24, 2010 8:47 pm

    @ Macker:

    Dude, you’re going to Hell for that one, you know that, right? Straight to hell, disrespecting the Koran like that. Don’t you know a Koran makes a perfectly good shotgun target? :twisted:


  6. Macker
    6 | August 24, 2010 8:52 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    ROFLMAIAO! Or should I put Bloomberg’s face there?


  7. 7 | August 24, 2010 8:55 pm

    @ Macker:

    Bloomberg would be appropriate. I heard he was having a big Iftar dinner, and Daisy Chain was invited. How lovely. I wonder how much geld changed hands to win his unrelenting support of “Freedom of Religion”?


  8. coldwarrior
    8 | August 24, 2010 8:57 pm

    for thos of you that missed it:

    saturday’s lecture on this subject


  9. Speranza
    9 | August 24, 2010 9:07 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I wonder when the Mohammedans will sack New York?

    In a stealthy way they already are.


  10. Speranza
    10 | August 24, 2010 9:07 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Macker:
    Bloomberg would be appropriate. I heard he was having a big Iftar dinner, and Daisy Chain was invited. How lovely. I wonder how much geld changed hands to win his unrelenting support of “Freedom of Religion”?

    Bloomberg is too stupid to realize that as a Jew they would not hesitate to saw his head off.


  11. Speranza
    11 | August 24, 2010 9:08 pm

    Doppelganger wrote:

    There are many similarities between the Sacking of Rome, and when the Lakers or Pistons win the NBA championship

    Detroit has been sacked many times over.


  12. coldwarrior
    12 | August 24, 2010 9:09 pm

    @ Speranza:

    hey, if yinz want, yinz can add a link at the bottom of your post to the saturday lecture…they go together perfectly.


  13. 13 | August 24, 2010 9:10 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Detroit has been sacked many times over.

    Detroit is in a constant state of sackage.


  14. Speranza
    14 | August 24, 2010 9:12 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    i don’t know how to do it but you can


  15. coldwarrior
    15 | August 24, 2010 9:13 pm

    @ Speranza:

    yeah, alright…


  16. 16 | August 24, 2010 9:17 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Macker:

    OK this view of history is the North European version. Let me give you all the Latin view.

    The Visigoths get a bad rep, they were not barbarians. They had lived on the Northern Frontier of Rome and adopted Roman ways. The Huns invaded and they were given sanctuary in the Empire in return for service and citizenship. The Romans backed away from their citizen offer and treated them like shit. They rebelled defeated Roman armies and got a good treaty in 382. It worked and for about 15 years, they loyally served the Empire. Alaric, who was a Roman citizen and general of Gothic origins wanted a raise, good land for his troops and a promotion. The Romans denied this and the Gothic troops in the Roman Army rebelled.

    Alaric never wanted to sack Rome, he wanted a homeland for the Gothic people within the Roman Empire and Roman Citizenship for his people. He died after the sack of Rome and in 416, the Goths were given Aquitaine and Spain. They defended the Roman Empire against the Huns in 451 and fought the barbarian Franks. When the Western Empire disintegrated, the Visigoth Kings in Spain declared the Regnum Hispania or the Kingdom of Spain. It was a Roman style regime and in fact, they recognized the Eastern Emperor as their overlord. Tey wre Byzantine vassals.

    The Goths intermarried with the Hispano-Romans and by the mid 6th century called themselves Hispanicus (Spaniard). They preserved Roman culture and civilization, while the rest of the old Empire in Northwestern Europe like France and England descended into savagery. In fact in 698, Spanish (Gothic) troops were defended Carthage against Islamic assault for the Byzantine Empire.

    The Goths get a bad rep in America but in the Spanish countries are considered heroes who prevented the Dark Ages from infecting Spain. Their problem was they lost their fighting spirit and this lead to Spain’s collapse when the Muzzies invaded.


  17. 17 | August 24, 2010 9:18 pm

    @ Speranza:

    See my 16.


  18. Doppelganger
    18 | August 24, 2010 9:18 pm

    tqcincinnatus wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Detroit has been sacked many times over.
    Detroit is in a constant state of sackage.

    yes. It’s time for me to update my urbex blog. http://doppelgangerurbex.blogspot.com/

    been on lots of expeditions lately with many good photos and stories.
    just too lazy to update it. maybe tonight


  19. yenta-fada
    19 | August 24, 2010 9:19 pm

    Hey, does this mean nobody wants to listen to our medical problems anymore?//


  20. huckfunn
    20 | August 24, 2010 9:19 pm

    Interesting flic on TMC right now. The Big Parade. A silent film about WWI. Filmed in 1925, it was a forerunner of All Quiet on the Western Front.


  21. 21 | August 24, 2010 9:21 pm

    The Catalan people of Spain claim Gothic descent. This is why many Catalans look Germanic and have last names like Godoy, Godo or Godas. All are variation of the word Goth. Also Wilfredo and Alfredo are common Catalan names with clear Germanic origins.


  22. 22 | August 24, 2010 9:21 pm

    @ tqcincinnatus:

    Hey you had a kick ass thread.


  23. Macker
    23 | August 24, 2010 9:21 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Heaven help Detroit if the Lions win the Super Bowl.


  24. 24 | August 24, 2010 9:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Their problem was they lost their fighting spirit and this lead to Spain’s collapse when the Muzzies invaded.

    That’s whack, yo.


  25. 25 | August 24, 2010 9:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Hey you had a kick ass thread.

    I found the magic formula – Disparage Ron Paul!

    Of course, I do that already…


  26. 26 | August 24, 2010 9:25 pm

    @ tqcincinnatus:

    Yup the Goths in Spain became heavily Romanized all they wanted to do was drink wine, recite poetry and have sex.


  27. chickadee
    27 | August 24, 2010 9:26 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Macker:

    Bloomberg would be appropriate. I heard he was having a big Iftar dinner, and Daisy Chain was invited. How lovely. I wonder how much geld changed hands to win his unrelenting support of “Freedom of Religion”?

    None. He is siding with the muzz because of his noble deeply held principles. He would never be so vulgar as to expect to be paid for upholding his beliefs in freedom and tolerance.

    He really does think he is doing the right thing. He is the perfect dhimmi. Sequestered in his rarified world, Ignorant of history and so open minded from his false sense of security and personal power, that his brains are falling out.
    The jihadi hyenas are circling him like he is a goat roasting on a spit.


  28. 28 | August 24, 2010 9:26 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    I will!
    ;)


  29. 29 | August 24, 2010 9:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ tqcincinnatus:
    Yup the Goths in Spain became heavily Romanized all they wanted to do was drink wine, recite poetry and have sex.

    Decadence is an ugly thing.


  30. 30 | August 24, 2010 9:27 pm

    @ tqcincinnatus:

    You missed your own thread.

    :lol:


  31. 31 | August 24, 2010 9:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ tqcincinnatus:
    You missed your own thread.

    That’s because I’m a retard!


  32. 32 | August 24, 2010 9:29 pm

    @ tqcincinnatus:

    Another little known fact about the Spanish Visigoths. Many of them dyed their hair black and got tanned, so they can appear Latin/Roman/Spanish.


  33. chickadee
    33 | August 24, 2010 9:30 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Speranza, this is a great post. I am fascinated by ancient Rome and how it fell.
    You can see the parallels of what is happening in he civilized world today.


  34. 34 | August 24, 2010 9:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The Catalan people of Spain claim Gothic descent. This is why many Catalans look Germanic and have last names like Godoy, Godo or Godas. All are variation of the word Goth. Also Wilfredo and Alfredo are common Catalan names with clear Germanic origins.

    Everything I ever learned about Spain, I learned from here (or something).


  35. 35 | August 24, 2010 9:31 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    and Daisy Chain was invited.

    Would somebody please send Daisy Chain a bouquet of Daisy Cutters…


  36. 36 | August 24, 2010 9:31 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Another little known fact about the Spanish Visigoths. Many of them dyed their hair black and got tanned, so they can appear Latin/Roman/Spanish.

    My people dyed themselves blue so that they could appear more…well…I’m not actually sure why they did that.


  37. 37 | August 24, 2010 9:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ tqcincinnatus:
    Yup the Goths in Spain became heavily Romanized all they wanted to do was drink wine, recite poetry and have sex.

    <—- looks around confusedly trying to figure out what is wrong with that…


  38. 38 | August 24, 2010 9:35 pm

    @ Speranza:
    I would have titled the thread, “Alaric’s Big Sack” just for the googlesearch perv traffic. ///


  39. 39 | August 24, 2010 9:36 pm

    The fall of Rome is a subject that historians have debated ad infinitum.

    Now Speranza, is that really true? I mean, if historians have debated it ad infinitum, then that would suggest that the Fall of Rome happened an infinite number of years ago. And we know that’s not the case, because we have historical sources which clearly date the fall to within the last 1600 years.


  40. Speranza
    40 | August 24, 2010 9:37 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    See my 16.

    The Barabarians actually wanted to be part of Rome, to have the benefits of the Roman way of life.


  41. coldwarrior
    41 | August 24, 2010 9:37 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Hey, does this mean nobody wants to listen to our medical problems anymore?//

    yinz is killin me over there.

    :lol:


  42. Speranza
    42 | August 24, 2010 9:38 pm

    tqcincinnatus wrote:

    The fall of Rome is a subject that historians have debated ad infinitum.
    Now Speranza, is that really true? I mean, if historians have debated it ad infinitum, then that would suggest that the Fall of Rome happened an infinite number of years ago. And we know that’s not the case, because we have historical sources which clearly date the fall to within the last 1600 years.

    Maybe I should have said ad nauseum?


  43. Speranza
    43 | August 24, 2010 9:39 pm

    Bunk X wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I would have titled the thread, “Alaric’s Big Sack” just for the googlesearch perv traffic. ///

    Nobody could do a good sacking as good as The Mongols.


  44. 44 | August 24, 2010 9:39 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Maybe I should have said ad nauseum?

    LOL, I’m just in the mood to be a jerk tonight. Please forgive me in advance.


  45. coldwarrior
    45 | August 24, 2010 9:40 pm

    @ Doppelganger:

    bring em over here for the weekend.

    good stuff that!


  46. Speranza
    46 | August 24, 2010 9:40 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Yup the Goths in Spain became heavily Romanized all they wanted to do was drink wine, recite poetry and have sex

    Sort of like sex, drugs and rock and roll (Keith Richards’ family motto).


  47. 47 | August 24, 2010 9:41 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    Hey, does this mean nobody wants to listen to our medical problems anymore?//

    yinz is kilolin me over there.

    DUDE… Were old, old people sit around bitching about their health and the abuses to their dignity inflicted to them by members of the Torturers Guild errr I mean the medical community.


  48. 48 | August 24, 2010 9:41 pm

    Y’all take it easy! Gotta run!


  49. Speranza
    49 | August 24, 2010 9:41 pm

    tqcincinnatus wrote:

    LOL, I’m just in the mood to be a jerk tonight. Please forgive me in advance.

    No problem. Iam going to fix my wording and mess everyone up wondering what the hell you are talking about.


  50. coldwarrior
    50 | August 24, 2010 9:41 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    yenta-fada wrote:
    Hey, does this mean nobody wants to listen to our medical problems anymore?//
    yinz is kilolin me over there.

    DUDE… Were old, old people sit around bitching about their health and the abuses to their dignity inflicted to them by members of the Torturers Guild errr I mean the medical community.

    i know, i hear it all the time.


  51. chickadee
    51 | August 24, 2010 9:42 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I remember reading that account too. I saw a show abt. the sacking of Rome and the premise was that the
    Roman leaders jacked them up by promising meat, grain and wine to be delivered to where they were wintering in the North of Italy. And when the provisions arrived to feed the conscripted goth soldiers and their families, all the provisions were spoiled, rotten and inedible. This so outraged Alaric that he got his men together and marched on Rome. He blew into town to kick the shit out of the Roman rulers who had so disrespected him and his soldiers.


  52. 52 | August 24, 2010 9:42 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    See my 16.

    The Barabarians actually wanted to be part of Rome, to have the benefits of the Roman way of life.

    BS… They were just looking for a loop hole in the Roman tax code… :P


  53. Speranza
    53 | August 24, 2010 9:43 pm

    @ chickadee:
    When you go to Rome you will only see a tiny portion of Imperial Rome.


  54. Speranza
    54 | August 24, 2010 9:44 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    BS… They were just looking for a loop hole in the Roman tax code…

    Was the Vespasian tax codes going to be allowed to expire on New Years 4011?


  55. waldensianspirit
    55 | August 24, 2010 9:44 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ tqcincinnatus:
    Yup the Goths in Spain became heavily Romanized all they wanted to do was drink wine, recite poetry and have sex.

    <—- looks around confusedly trying to figure out what is wrong with that…

    Boring G-d. The second death…


  56. 56 | August 24, 2010 9:50 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    BS… They were just looking for a loop hole in the Roman tax code…
    Was the Vespasian tax codes going to be allowed to expire on New Years 4011?

    Probably… :P


  57. 57 | August 24, 2010 9:52 pm

    @ tqcincinnatus:

    Some good sources there. I got my knowledge from reading Spanish books and some of the authors listed there!


  58. 58 | August 24, 2010 9:53 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Was the Vespasian tax codes going to be allowed to expire on New Years 4011411?

    Fixed that for you!

    :lol:


  59. yenta-fada
    59 | August 24, 2010 9:55 pm

    Doppelganger wrote:

    tqcincinnatus wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    Detroit has been sacked many times over.
    Detroit is in a constant state of sackage.
    yes. It’s time for me to update my urbex blog. http://doppelgangerurbex.blogspot.com/
    been on lots of expeditions lately with many good photos and stories.
    just too lazy to update it. maybe tonight

    Your pics are amazing. Haunting and unusual.


  60. Speranza
    60 | August 24, 2010 9:55 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Was the Vespasian tax codes going to be allowed to expire on New Years 4011411?
    Fixed that for you!

    Thanks. My mistake.


  61. 61 | August 24, 2010 9:55 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ tqcincinnatus:
    Yup the Goths in Spain became heavily Romanized all they wanted to do was drink wine, recite poetry and have sex.

    <—- looks around confusedly trying to figure out what is wrong with that…

    Boring G-d. The second death…

    You do know that song lyrics technically fall under the definition of poetry, right? :oops:


  62. 62 | August 24, 2010 9:56 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I read the reason Alaric was mad because there was a 5th century Roman Chronicler named Carolus Johnsonus who was smearing him!

    :lol:


  63. mfhorn
    63 | August 24, 2010 9:58 pm

    I’d love to find that Mr. Garcia is right on this


  64. yenta-fada
    64 | August 24, 2010 9:59 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    Hey, does this mean nobody wants to listen to our medical problems anymore?//
    yinz is killin me over there.

    Yeah, must feel like a work day to y’all.


  65. 65 | August 24, 2010 9:59 pm

    @ Rodan:

    He played a harp!


  66. coldwarrior
    66 | August 24, 2010 10:00 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    yenta-fada wrote:
    Hey, does this mean nobody wants to listen to our medical problems anymore?//
    yinz is killin me over there.

    Yeah, must feel like a work day to y’all.

    well…yeah.


  67. coldwarrior
    67 | August 24, 2010 10:00 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    He played a harp!

    i thought he played a lyre?

    :lol:


  68. 68 | August 24, 2010 10:01 pm

    @ tqcincinnatus:

    I think the true collapse of Rome was the Final Roman-Persian wars. Remember that the Eastern Empire took back Rome and North Africa. If that war hadn’t happened, the whole west would of been recovered. That wart opened up the door to Islam.


  69. 69 | August 24, 2010 10:02 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    i thought he played a lyre?

    Yes man my fuzzy memory from reading history books! Carolus Johnsonus was originally lyre player. He then became a chronicler but was known as a smear merchant. He always trashed the Goths and they got pissed.

    :lol:


  70. yenta-fada
    70 | August 24, 2010 10:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I read the reason Alaric was mad because there was a 5th century Roman Chronicler named Carolus Johnsonus who was smearing him!

    snort!


  71. 71 | August 24, 2010 10:03 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    He played a harp!

    i thought he played a lyre?

    No, he was a lyre, he played a harp begging for lute, profoundly mediocre player he was too…


  72. 72 | August 24, 2010 10:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    i thought he played a lyre?
    Yes man my fuzzy memory from reading history books! Carolus Johnsonus was originally lyre player. He then became a chronicler but was known as a smear merchant. He always trashed the Goths and they got pissed.

    Ha ha, see my #71


  73. coldwarrior
    73 | August 24, 2010 10:05 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    He played a harp!
    i thought he played a lyre?

    No, he was a lyre, he played a harp begging for lute, profoundly mediocre player he was too…

    No, he was a lyre, he played a harp begging for lute, profoundly mediocre player he was to boot!

    howz that?


  74. Speranza
    74 | August 24, 2010 10:06 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I read the reason Alaric was mad because there was a 5th century Roman Chronicler named Carolus Johnsonus who was smearing him!

    yes Carolus Jonhnsonus was looking for Bad Craziness amongst the Barbarians led by Glennus Beckus and Sarahus Palinus.


  75. 75 | August 24, 2010 10:07 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    He played a harp!
    i thought he played a lyre?
    No, he was a lyre, he played a harp begging for lute, profoundly mediocre player he was too…

    No, he was a lyre, he played a harp begging for lute, profoundly mediocre player he was to boot!
    howz that?

    Heh heh heh

    profoundly mediocre player who should have got the boot!


  76. 76 | August 24, 2010 10:08 pm

    Bad News in Florida, the racketeer Rick Scott is winning. Count the Florida governorship as a Democratic pickup.


  77. yenta-fada
    77 | August 24, 2010 10:10 pm

    @ Doppelganger:

    Your pics and Carl Sandburg, snip from Four Preludes on Playthings of the Wind….

    2.
    The doors were cedar
    and the panels strips of gold
    and the girls were golden girls
    and the panels read and the girls chanted:
    We are the greatest city,
    the greatest nation:
    nothing like us ever was.

    The doors are twisted on broken hinges.
    Sheets of rain swish through on the wind
    where the golden girls ran and the panels read:
    We are the greatest city,
    the greatest nation,
    nothing like us ever was.

    3.
    It has happened before.
    Strong men put up a city and got
    a nation together,
    And paid singers to sing and women
    to warble: We are the greatest city,
    the greatest nation,
    nothing like us ever was.


  78. F
    78 | August 24, 2010 10:12 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Hey, does this mean nobody wants to listen to our medical problems anymore?//

    *urp*

    *fart*

    *uuuuuurp*

    You were saying?


  79. yenta-fada
    79 | August 24, 2010 10:13 pm

    F wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    Hey, does this mean nobody wants to listen to our medical problems anymore?//
    *urp*
    *fart*
    *uuuuuurp*
    You were saying?

    You’re a real symphony. :-)


  80. 80 | August 24, 2010 10:20 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    F wrote:
    yenta-fada wrote:
    Hey, does this mean nobody wants to listen to our medical problems anymore?//
    *urp*
    *fart*
    *uuuuuurp*
    You were saying?
    You’re a real symphony.

    Wait till he starts scratching his behind, you’ll think somebody is playing a Charles Johnson recording… :twisted:


  81. yenta-fada
    81 | August 24, 2010 10:31 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    F wrote:
    yenta-fada wrote:
    Hey, does this mean nobody wants to listen to our medical problems anymore?//
    *urp*
    *fart*
    *uuuuuurp*
    You were saying?
    You’re a real symphony.
    Wait till he starts scratching his behind, you’ll think somebody is playing a Charles Johnson recording…

    wicked.


  82. coldwarrior
    82 | August 24, 2010 10:36 pm

    :evil:

    just finished water sealing the deck…i bought a 1200watt dual halogen light system so i could work at night outside…damn is that thing bright.

    my neighbors luv me!


  83. 83 | August 24, 2010 10:38 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    just finished water sealing the deck…i bought a 1200watt dual halogen light system so i could work at night outside…damn is that thing bright.
    my neighbors luv me!

    No, they just now suspect that Aliens were visiting you, and you were getting, welllll You know…. :razz:


  84. coldwarrior
    84 | August 24, 2010 10:44 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    just finished water sealing the deck…i bought a 1200watt dual halogen light system so i could work at night outside…damn is that thing bright.
    my neighbors luv me!

    No, they just now suspect that Aliens were visiting you, and you were getting, welllll You know….

    ya mean like cartman on south park…


  85. coldwarrior
    85 | August 24, 2010 10:45 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    that damn light set up is stupid bright.

    :cool:

    that’s better.


  86. 86 | August 24, 2010 10:47 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    He I just called.


  87. huckfunn
    87 | August 24, 2010 10:47 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    just finished water sealing the deck…

    That stuff will be under yer fingernails for the next 10 days. Look at your keyboard.


  88. coldwarrior
    88 | August 24, 2010 10:48 pm

    @ Rodan:

    phone was off.


  89. 89 | August 24, 2010 10:48 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    just finished water sealing the deck…i bought a 1200watt dual halogen light system so i could work at night outside…damn is that thing bright.
    my neighbors luv me!
    No, they just now suspect that Aliens were visiting you, and you were getting, welllll You know….

    ya mean like cartman on south park…

    Well ya know… :arrow: :idea:


  90. coldwarrior
    90 | August 24, 2010 10:49 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    no doubt!


  91. Speranza
    91 | August 24, 2010 10:52 pm

    Mayor Douchebag Bloomberg holding Iftar dinner for Mudslimes.


  92. 92 | August 24, 2010 10:53 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Mayor Douchebag Bloomberg holding Iftar dinner for Mudslimes.

    Hmmm Bet ya he doesn’t try to ban them from purchasing hand guns…


  93. lobo91
    93 | August 24, 2010 10:53 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    No, they just now suspect that Aliens were visiting you, and you were getting, welllll You know….

    Do the aliens use sedation or anesthesia?

    If they do, I’m switching my insurance…


  94. lobo91
    94 | August 24, 2010 10:55 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Mayor Douchebag Bloomberg holding Iftar dinner for Mudslimes.
    Hmmm Bet ya he doesn’t try to ban them from purchasing hand guns…

    Of course not. That would infringe on their 1st Amendment rights to celebrate weddings and soccer wins…


  95. 95 | August 24, 2010 10:55 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    No, they just now suspect that Aliens were visiting you, and you were getting, welllll You know….
    Do the aliens use sedation or anesthesia?
    If they do, I’m switching my insurance…

    Ask CW, apparently they were at his house ummmm, scaring his neighbors, ummm, ya, that’s what they were doing…. :twisted:


  96. 96 | August 24, 2010 10:58 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    Mayor Douchebag Bloomberg holding Iftar dinner for Mudslimes.
    Hmmm Bet ya he doesn’t try to ban them from purchasing hand guns…
    Of course not. That would infringe on their 1st Amendment rights to celebrate weddings and soccer wins…

    Not to mention impede the sacramental rites which proceed the celebration of the holy splodyedope…


  97. coldwarrior
    97 | August 24, 2010 10:58 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    i’m looking for the eric cartman/southpark episode with the anal probe and i cant find a good copy.


  98. m
    98 | August 24, 2010 11:01 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103511

    The whole thing?


  99. coldwarrior
    99 | August 24, 2010 11:01 pm

    who was the POS in the HR department that hires her in the first place. its effin disney man! the costumes are part of the schtick. HR are idiot bastards that are bent on destroying companies.

    A woman who accused the Disney Co. of discrimination for refusing to let her wear a Muslim head scarf at work says she won’t wear a specially designed hat instead.

    Imane Boudlal, who’s a restaurant hostess at the Disneyland Resort in Anaheim, says Disney’s suggested hat-and-bonnet is embarrassing and makes a joke of her religion.

    She has gone home without pay seven times rather than remove her hijab or accept jobs away from customers.

    Disney spokeswoman Suzi Brown says the company believes the head covering accommodates both Boudlal’s beliefs and Disney costuming guidelines.

    Last week, Boudlal filed a complaint with the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.


  100. 100 | August 24, 2010 11:02 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Bloomberg is a Dhimmi.


  101. coldwarrior
    101 | August 24, 2010 11:02 pm

    @ m:

    i have all of them on dvd i was looking for a particular scene on youtube, no dice ona good copy.


  102. huckfunn
    102 | August 24, 2010 11:03 pm

    FOX is calling Scott as the winner over McCollum int the Florida Gov. Primary.


  103. m
    103 | August 24, 2010 11:03 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    She has been removed from their schedule.

    If she didn’t want the other jobs offered (where she could wear her own head covering) she was doing it just to make them let her.


  104. coldwarrior
    104 | August 24, 2010 11:07 pm

    @ m:

    upon getting hired or working as an intern disney makes EVERYONE sign the dress code form.

    her shitbag union rep can go march in hell because the union has already approved said code as part of the contract.

    its is enforced too.


  105. 105 | August 24, 2010 11:07 pm

    m wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    She has been removed from their schedule.
    If she didn’t want the other jobs offered (where she could wear her own head covering) she was doing it just to make them let her.

    ROTFLMMFAO………………

    Maybe she should go back to Morocco and work at Camelworld or something.


  106. m
    106 | August 24, 2010 11:09 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Nice, lol!


  107. coldwarrior
    107 | August 24, 2010 11:11 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    she can wear her god damned head wrap when there is a hooters bar (with proper uniforms)in mecca.


  108. lobo91
    108 | August 24, 2010 11:11 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    who was the POS in the HR department that hires her in the first place. its effin disney man! the costumes are part of the schtick. HR are idiot bastards that are bent on destroying companies.

    This one wasn’t their fault. She didn’t start wearing the headscarf until she’d been working there for 2 years.


  109. 109 | August 24, 2010 11:12 pm

    @ Rodan:
    The Huns were paid off with “tributes.” They extorted money from Rome (and others who couldn’t fight them) and Rome gave them what they wanted just to keep the peace.

    Tatars did the same thing, i.e. attack, kill all the adult males, put the male children of the conquered into slavery, and have their way with the women, who were chattel regardless of the conquerors of the time.


  110. coldwarrior
    110 | August 24, 2010 11:14 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    who was the POS in the HR department that hires her in the first place. its effin disney man! the costumes are part of the schtick. HR are idiot bastards that are bent on destroying companies.
    This one wasn’t their fault. She didn’t start wearing the headscarf until she’d been working there for 2 years.

    that still does not negate my comments about HR in general.


  111. yenta-fada
    111 | August 24, 2010 11:15 pm

    m wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    She has been removed from their schedule.
    If she didn’t want the other jobs offered (where she could wear her own head covering) she was doing it just to make them let her.

    THE RULES don’t apply to Muslims. They’re special.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGRN39oifsE&feature=player_embedded


  112. coldwarrior
    112 | August 24, 2010 11:15 pm

    @ lobo91:

    and, i know peeps that work and worked in disney. violate the dress code that you sign upon hiring and you are gone, period. no union defense, no messing around. that company is very serious about their image.

    HR needs to fire her over that.

    disney takes its dress code seriously like UPS takes to drunk driving one of the package cars. instant termination.


  113. Jorline
    113 | August 24, 2010 11:16 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Doppelganger wrote:

    Detroit has been sacked many times over.

    Detroit was sacked 28 times last year.


  114. lobo91
    114 | August 24, 2010 11:17 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    THE RULES don’t apply to Muslims. They’re special.

    Yup. If “man-made laws” don’t apply to them, then neither do mouse-made work rules.


  115. 115 | August 24, 2010 11:17 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Bunk X wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    I would have titled the thread, “Alaric’s Big Sack” just for the googlesearch perv traffic. ///

    Nobody could do a good sacking as good as The Mongols.

    Ahh. Those were the days.


  116. 116 | August 24, 2010 11:17 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    she can wear her god damned head wrap when there is a hooters bar (with proper uniforms)in mecca.

    I was thinking more along the lines of a a Oppenheimer brand Mushroom Farm in the middle of downtown Mecca…


  117. lobo91
    117 | August 24, 2010 11:18 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    and, i know peeps that work and worked in disney. violate the dress code that you sign upon hiring and you are gone, period. no union defense, no messing around. that company is very serious about their image.
    HR needs to fire her over that.
    disney takes its dress code seriously like UPS takes to drunk driving one of the package cars. instant termination.

    Oh, I know.

    The only reason they haven’t fired her is because she’s a Muslim, obviously.


  118. m
    118 | August 24, 2010 11:19 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Ha! YUP!


  119. coldwarrior
    119 | August 24, 2010 11:19 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    gorgeous!


  120. coldwarrior
    120 | August 24, 2010 11:19 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Oh, I know.

    The only reason they haven’t fired her is because she’s a Muslim, obviously.

    HR fucking up a perfectly good company…again.


  121. 121 | August 24, 2010 11:21 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    gorgeous!

    Well ya know, those Oppenheimer brand Mushrooms are simply to die for…


  122. coldwarrior
    122 | August 24, 2010 11:21 pm

    oh well…off to the overnight.


  123. Philip_Daniel
    123 | August 25, 2010 2:15 am

    Bunk X wrote:

    Tatars did the same thing, i.e. attack, kill all the adult males, put the male children of the conquered into slavery, and have their way with the women, who were chattel regardless of the conquerors of the time.

    “Oh, how much better to lie on one’s bier, than to be a captive on the way to Tatary.”

    The Crimean Tatars raided Brest-Litovsk in 1500, Minsk in 1505, and Vilnius in 1510; they killed hundreds of thousands and carried many more off to slavery from Moscow in 1571, and actually drew up plans for conquest of Muscovy; only the Russian victory at Molodi a year later prevented this. They viewed their actions as gazavat, i.e. holy war, against the giaour, i.e. infidel. Nevertheless, they themselves were considered apostates by strict Muslims because they continued to rule according to the laws of Genghis Khan, the Yasaaq, as well as according to the Shari’a. The Crimean Tatars were vassals of the much more pious, even more brutal Ottoman Turks.


  124. Philip_Daniel
    124 | August 25, 2010 2:17 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    and, i know peeps that work and worked in disney. violate the dress code that you sign upon hiring and you are gone, period. no union defense, no messing around. that company is very serious about their image.

    HR needs to fire her over that.

    disney takes its dress code seriously like UPS takes to drunk driving one of the package cars. instant termination.

    Honestly, if one worships a deity whose holy books proclaim that the hair of a woman must be covered because it is one of ten ‘awrat (i.e. external genitalia), then wouldn’t a hat suffice as much as the hijab? Or must they turn the Occident into the Caliphate by rejecting everything of the former as shirk and kufr and trying to impose the latter upon us?

    The hijab = ISLAMIC IMPERIALISM.


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