I have been following the issue of cartoon censorship for quite some time, including the persecution of “Mo-toon” cartoonist Kurt Westergaard.
Too many governments and media organizations that should have stood on principle have instead taken the cowardly way out of dhimmitude; in other words, throwing free speech and the truth under the bus for the sake of appeasement of, and capitulation to, Islam.
Thus far, too few people in the public sphere have stood up for Kurt Westergaard and his fellow cartoonists. I am pleased to acknowledge that German Chancellor Angela Merkel has realized that it is her duty as head of state to take a stand for freedom of speech and of the press.
Jihad Watch: Germany: Merkel to speak at event honoring Motoonist Kurt Westergaard
Predictably, “Aiman Mazyek of the Central Council of Muslims in Germany said in a statement: ‘Merkel is honoring the cartoonist who in our view trampled on our Prophet and trampled on all Muslims’.”
Are your prophet and religion really so fragile that one man’s drawing can “trample” them? No, the real issue is a wounded sense of entitlement to be above criticism, ridicule, and satire, all of which are non-negotiable in the Western tradition of free speech. [emphasis mine]
“Merkel to honor Mohammed cartoonist at press award,” by Stephen Brown and Knut Engelmann for Reuters, September 8 (thanks to JG):
(Reuters) – German Chancellor Angela Merkel risked angering Muslims by speaking at an awards ceremony on Wednesday for a Dane whose cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed provoked sometimes violent protests by Muslims five years ago.
The 75-year-old cartoonist Kurt Westergaard, whose drawings of Mohammed that offended Muslims worldwide first appeared in Danish paper Jyllands-Posten in 2005, was due to receive a prize Wednesday evening at a conference on freedom of the press…
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Tags: Angela Merkel, Cartoon Jihad, kurt westergaard, mohammed cartoons
Good morning Blogmocrats.
And…. FIRST!!!!!!
Did anybody watch the Vikings-Saints game last night? Did they spend a lot of time rehashing Katrina before the game? I am getting a little tired of that.
Good morning.
I have never understood why drawing a cartoon would lead to death threats. It just makes people not listen to you imo.
I would much prefer to read a well thought out op ed that explains why there is such an over the top reaction to it.
Hello…
Is anybody home?
It is a little too soon for this to become a dead thread, LOL
To expand, the death threats just make we want to take the side of the cartoonist automatically.
A well thought out column would at least make me look at both sides equally.
I think that the sickest incident to happen here in Canada was when Ezra Levant was prosecuted in one of our Human Rights Commissions for reprinting the cartoons in his magazine. The HRC’s are a blight upon our legal system up here.
In America, cartoons can be about any religion.
We should not allow death threats to stifle free speech.
It will become a slippery slope imo.
Just like the mosque and the koran burning.
Neither one is right.
But both are allowed in our country.
Viva la difference!
I’m here for the moment, but I have to go to a doctor’s appointment, so I can’t stay for the thread.
PaladinPhil wrote:
Didn’t Mark Steyn kick their butts?
@ tunnelrat:
Katrina was the most awfulest thing that has ever happened in the history of the human race, and it only happened to New Orleans. And it is the rest of the Country’s fault, so we must pay reparations to New Orleans for the next 150 years for the sins of our forefathers. Something like that. Oh, and Ray Nagin was the bestest mayor the Chocolate City ever had, so they re-elected him for his awesome performance during Katrina. It it hadn’t have been for him I don’t know what would have happened…
Yeah, I’m tired of them milking that old cow, too.
@ PaladinPhil:
You just made a little green head explode, lol! It’s the truth though. All over the world.
typicalwhitey wrote:
Europe does not have the First Amendment, and I suspect that there is a certain religion that would like to amend that amendment so that it does not apply to them.
question,
where do we post our 9-11 stories?
here in the comments, or the link section, or where?
@ 1389AD:
I hope everything turns out ok!
Sarrazin to leave Bundesbank board
@ African Moondog:
Ain’t gonna happen.
@ rain of lead:
We will have a thread Saturday morning that will stay up a bit. Or you can send it to the gmail and we’ll make sure it goes in.
@ Iron Fist:
Katrina, at last they had something to hang Bush from and did they not just pile it on! Trouble is, the Federal folk on the ground were superb from second one. The new Orleans folk not so much. Still, it was Bush’s fault, not Nagin’s.
m wrote:
@ rain of lead:
it’ll run from 0800 to noonish saturday
@ m:
ok, thanks
oh, mornin ya’ll
@ rain of lead:
Morning rain
The bigger issue here is the cowardice displayed by our media. They often accuse Christians of wishing for a Theocracy, yet they turn a blind eye to a violent death cult which has repeatedly stated that it wishes the whole world to be under it’s control. They are afraid to report on Islam in an honest way.
@ tunnelrat:
The more people protest, the more I expect that will change.
Or at least I hope so.
Interesting
@ African Moondog:
Or the Governors. Because the locals aren’t supposed to know their ass from a hole in the ground. But imagine the alternative: Bush federalizes it before the storm comes ashore, and simply takes over for the locals in getting the people out of the city. All hell would have broken lose. Disenfranchising minorities and women, it would have been. A massive userpation of the rights of minorities to self-governance. Bush was damned any way he went on Katrina. Because, um, Bush controls the weather…
African Moondog wrote:
Yes he did. It was about an excerpt from one of his books that was quoting a muslim imam in Europe. He was accused of hate speech.
m wrote:
Back when they were allowed to vote for Fiskies the CHRC’s were on the list two years running.
I will say fuck Islam!
@ PaladinPhil:
CJRC is a defacto SHaria council. They silence critics of Islam.
I am waiting for more info to come out about the cause of the gas main leak, explosion, and fire in California.
@ tunnelrat:
Thats why they invented the blogosphere!
Thay threaten mayhem if their Koran is burnt, however when it comes to burning bibles not a beep in protest.
For the record I think that burning Koran’s is dumb beyond belief. I am opposed to burning burning any literature. Goebbells is not quite my scene.
African Moondog wrote:
At least in Florida they are burning books that they own, not books confiscated from anybody else, as the US guvmint did with the Bibles. That’s an important difference.
The religion of peace
1389AD wrote:
What?
Iron Fist wrote:
Yes he was. IIRC there were a few nuts at the time accusing him of generating the storm. Others said it was his fault because he refused to sign the Kyoto Protocol. Anderson Cooper said it was his fault because the victims were “all….so black”!
Poor Bush! He was stuffed which ever way he turned.
1389AD wrote:
Huh?
@ 1389AD:
or as the Saudi’s do on a DAILY basis as you enter the magic kingdom. All bibles are confiscated and destroyed. Can’t have them possibly soiling the land of the pedofile.
I am extremely offended by those cartoons.
They are way too nice.
@ African Moondog:
Check a previous thread. CNN had a story that bibles published in some Afghan dialects and sent to US soldiers were confiscated and burned due to the possible offense to the always offended.
@ African Moondog:
The Bibles confiscated from troops in Afghanistan, because they might be used for ‘proselytizing’ Christianity, which is a violation of Afghan law. I don’t know whether the Bibles were burned per se, but they were destroyed.
typicalwhitey wrote:
I don’t have time to look for the link right now, but it was posted on an earlier thread someplace.
MikeA wrote:
I thought that Muslims claim that Christianity and Judaism were part of the make up of Islam, that Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael etc were first and foremost Muslim prophets in their eyes.
So much for that!
Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/index.html
@ 1389AD:
I didn’t think they were confiscated from the troops. I thought someone sent them (in their language) for proselytizing.
Rodan wrote:
Actually that’s just part of it. Anyone with a grievance, and is a perceived minority, can make a suit. Good luck if you are a white male though.
@ African Moondog:
Thats all PR my friend. They do not care about anything but their fable filled book. Read a book titled Veiled Attrocites. You can find it on Amazon. Gives you a good overview of the fun in the home of Mo the pedofile
@ African Moondog:
There is a reason he and his family bought a lot of land in Paraguay
African Moondog wrote:
It is my understanding that islam views, everyone as muslims. That is why they often refer to converts as reverts. Unbelievers were led away from the truth, ie islam. In order for Jews and Christians to be Jews and Christians, the Jewish and Christian Scriptures as having been willfully changed.
@ 1389AD:
The US establishment is anti-Christian.
@ typicalwhitey:
Michelle Malkin forgot this
waldensianspirit wrote:
Is there oil in Paraguay?
typicalwhitey wrote:
The name of the religion is Submission. It has no room for dissent, no room for criticism, and no means of escape. You can’t leave and you certainly can’t blaspheme. If the penalty for just trying to leave, for not submitting, is death, the penalty for actually insulting Islam can be no less.
@ African Moondog:
Yes there is.
I’ll pipe in with a little historical perspective. I’ve done a little research on this topic. The essays relevant here is the collection of PDFs under “The Qur’an in Iraq”, especially the second and third. (I apologise in advance for the Pleez Subscribe To Mai Noozlettur! kookery.) Here’s the pointy-haired-boss powerpoint summary -
Soon after ‘Abd al-Malik reconquered Iraq, he installed his finest thug, Kulayb “The Pilgrim (al-Hajjaj)” as governor over Iraq. I don’t know how Kulayb had got his nickname, but I suspect it was a joke. During ‘Abd al-Malik’s reconquest of Mecca… Kulayb had bombed the Kaaba. No, really. He’d fired catapults at it and wrecked it.
Kulayb / Hajjaj having proven himself loyal, brutal and cynical; he was the obvious choice to enact ‘Abd al-Malik’s brutal and cynical policies in Iraq. These policies involved the destruction of that Qur’an which the Iraqis were then using: “I will scrape off the text if I have to use the bone from a porkchop”.
The first and foremost burners of Qur’ans were Muslims. What we call “the Qur’an” now, exists because of decades of forgery and oppression by Umayyad (and Zubayrid) tyrants.
African Moondog wrote:
And blew up the levee.
@ MikeA:
I know that teachers, nurses, technicians etc to go there for the inflated tax free salaries take the money and run as soon as they can.
I wonder, is there anything that doesn’t offend the muzzies? I am so tired of having to listen to them whine and seethe. If cartoons upset you, how brittle can your faith really be? But then again, their prayers don’t count if a woman or dog crosses their path while doing it. Guess allah is not that strong…
I say give them a reason to whine and seethe. If they act up, wipe them out. Destroy them utterly. Its the only thing they understand. It doesn’t sound very Christian but I am torn by them. I am told to love my enemy but they would cut my head off just for beingin the same room. There is no peace with them.
@ MikeA:
I’m sick of their sensibilities. I will offend them everytime I get.
@ Zimriel:
Thanks. I have saved your copy. I’ll go through it in full when I have time.I can think of one chap who is in a fine fury that he cannot “out” you now!
@ African Moondog:
My cousin was there back in the early 90s working for Aramco. His wife and kid HATED it. The wife said she couldn’t go anywhere without men stareing and accosting her. It started at the airport and went downhill. She finally left and moved back to the states with the son. My cousin came back 6 months later richer but saying the place was a crap hole. It was 7th century bedoins with lots of money and modern conviences bought from the west. They have no drive at all…
@ 1389AD:
They were burned. The military in Afghanistan burns its trash.
Rodan wrote:
BBQ Danish style
@ Rodan:
We offend them by breathing, lol!
Dearborn Muslims will protest Koran burning anyway, even though it’s been cancelled
@ m:
No wonder they oppress their women.
They are a bunch of whiny crybabies.
@ m:
I’m glad my ancetors exterminated them from Spain. I’m sick of Islam and its hypocrisy.
m wrote:
Dearborn is not American territory. It’s an Islamic emirate.
MikeA wrote:
That is a good point. The Jewish faith has given the world some of the greatest humorists ever. I am trying to think of a mediocre Muslim humorist. I suspect that they are damn scared to tell even the mildest self-depreciating joke for fear having their heads removed from their shoulders. A brittle creed indeed.
@ typicalwhitey:
Yep. With no regard for anyone ELSE.
@ m:
While I don’t agree with the church doing it (not a good Christian witness), they need to do it anyway. Nothing satisfies these people. Do they protest when muslims go killing others.. of course not.. but look at a koran the wrong way and suddenly the muslim world is up in arms.
Need to go to the range this weekend to work off this anger… Maybe bring my copy of the koran as target practice.
@ African Moondog:
There’s no fun in Islam!
Rodan wrote:
There’s no crying in baseball!
There’s no baseball in Islam!
There’s crying in Islam!
Lots and lots of crying.
Consequence of contempt for American law
OK I stole this from ACE, but it’s still pretty funny:
Rep. Sanford Bishop (D-Ga.) awarded three scholarships from the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation to his stepdaughter and wife’s niece between 2003 and 2005, according to records from the non-profit group.
Bishop is the second Democrat found to have funneled Congressional Black Caucus Foundation scholarship funds to relatives, threatening to turn the program into a larger political problem for the party. Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas) recently paid back $31,000 to the foundation for scholarships that she improperly awarded to various relatives and children of a top staffer.
Bishop stupidly protests: it wasn’t explicitly against the rules until 2008 to direct the charity scholarships to family members. Ninja. Please. He used the CBC scholarship fund as source of education funds for his stepdaughter, which means he basically took the CBC money and put it in his own pocket. He woulda been out that money anyway to pay for his kid’s tuition.
Anyone wanna bet that this is the last one?
@ m:
They best be peaceful about it. You know what I said should be done to rioters…
The wonder is not that Obama is angry at criticism, but why he is so surprised in a weird “how dare they?” fashion
Diane Denish (D CAND, NM-GOV) smeared by own attack ad?
pwn fail? lol
Think your dog is talented?
@ Nevergiveup:
Yes!
Ok, not that talented! LOL!
typicalwhitey wrote:
A strong messianic self image will do that to you.
Did you guys see this?
That is going to sting. Stimulus FAIL.
m wrote:
Yeah my cats looked at it and said “So What? That and $1.50 will get ya on the subway”?
@ MikeA:
I just don’t agree with burning books, even if the contents are crap.
Yeah, let no one forget that most of the Muslims who have died violently throughout history have been killed by other Muslims. Let us not forget the amount of aid sent to Banda Acheh (a muslim area) after the Tsunami compared to that of the USA.
Let us compare the amount of aid sent by Muslim nations to Haiti (a non-muslim area)after the earthquake compared to that sent by Israel.
@ m:
Thank you for that. I needed a good laugh this Friday morning.
@ African Moondog:
How about using them for target practice?
GOP elites are expert failures
On the eve of Sept. 11, Fox News has learned the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency has attempted to block a book about the tipping point in Afghanistan and a controversial pre-9/11 data mining project called “Able Danger.”
In a letter obtained by Fox News, the DIA says national security could be breached if “Operation Dark Heart” is published in its current form. The agency also attempted to block key portions of the book that claim “Able Danger” successfully identified hijacker Mohammed Atta as a threat to the United States before the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.
Click here to read the full DIA letter (pdf)
Specifically, the DIA wanted references to a meeting between Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer, the book’s author, and the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, Philip Zelikow, removed. In that meeting, which took place in Afghanistan, Shaffer alleges the commission was told about “Able Danger” and the identification of Atta before the attacks. No mention of this was made in the final 9/11 report.
In a highly unusual move, the DIA is now negotiating with the publisher, St. Martin’s Press, to buy all 10,000 copies of the first printing of the book to keep it off shelves — even after the U.S. Army had cleared the book for release.
Shaffer spoke to Fox News before he was asked by the military not to discuss the book. He confirmed efforts to block the book and other details.
The documents and exclusive interviews, including an Army data collector on the Able Danger Project, are part of an ongoing investigation by the documentary unit “Fox News Reporting” which uncovered new details about American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki and efforts by the FBI to track and recruit him for intelligence purposes after 9/11.
Not sure what this is all about really, but it is interesting. The rumors that “someone” knew about Atta before 9/11 are not new?
@ MikeA:
That is better, and a damn sight more satisfying.
@ Nevergiveup:
Ha! Sounds like my cats. They aren’t easily impressed.
Iron Fist wrote:
I recently watched ‘Charlie and the Chocolate Factory’ with my kids and it was awful. The ‘Willie Wonka’ was much better. IMHO.
Nevergiveup wrote:
I don’t know id they new about Atta and those dreadful people specifically, but back in 2001, Condi Rice admitted that they new something was up, but who would have imagined in those days that they would plan a thing like that? We are now a lot less innocent.
Predictably, “Aiman Mazyek of the Central Council of Muslims in Germany said in a statement: ‘Merkel is honoring the cartoonist who in our view trampled on our Prophet and trampled on all Muslims’.”
Let me fix this:
Predictably, “Aiman Mazyek of the Central Council of Muslims in Germany said in a statement: ‘WWWAHHHHHHH AHHHHHH WAAAHHHHHHHHHH! Merkel is honoring the cartoonist who in our view trampled on our Prophet and trampled on all Muslims sniff sniff’.”
Pussies.
African Moondog wrote:
The rumors about “Able Danger” and Atta being specifically known is not new. But it has always been denied.
@ BuddyG:
Willy Wonka with Gene Wilder is the best. Loved it as a kid and love it now. Intersting story:
My wife and I were dating, she asked me my favorite childhood movie, told her Willy Wonka… She said “Me too..!!” The rest is history.
@ MikeA:
This morning they played the old “abercrombie & fitch” song on the radio and the hosts asked all the interns if they knew what they were talking about when they mentioned Mr. Limpet in the song.
NONE of them did, lol!
Oh I loved me some Mr. Limpet.
Pat Buchanan has lost his mind. Big surprise, there, right? Check this shit out:
Talk abou t”Creeping Shari’ia”, that is more like galloping Shari’ia. We’re going to abridge the First Amendment to protect a Koran? It makes me want to go buy a koran to burn tomorrow.
This is for Charles Johnson…
The sultan and the powers by Malcolm MacColl, p. 161-62
@ Philip_Daniel:
Ok, that text should have been a blockquote…
African Moondog wrote:
Tom Clancy
Thomas Sowell: The Mess Bush Left And Other Obama Fables
Crashnburn01 wrote:
Well, Fitnah i.e. Shirk is worse than slaughter, ya know…
African Moondog wrote:
Most of the victims of the Naqshbandi Sufi Tamerlane in his Ghazwat were Muslims whom he deemed heretical and thus apostates, to be killed with impunity. Those Muslims whom he deemed sufficiently orthodox were spared. Of course, he was also thirsty for the blood of Christians from the Volga to the Indus, being a mujahid; he’s still reviled among the Ossetians as the man who nearly decimated the Alans, ancestors of the Ossetians.
@ Philip_Daniel:
When the time comes, I have no intention of shirking at the slaughter…
@ Philip_Daniel:
Malfuzat—i—Timuri
Iron Fist wrote:
You’ve said that before; In response, I’ll quote Malcom MacColl again…
@ Philip_Daniel:
Yep. Islam demands submiaaion. I will not submit.
MikeA wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly!
BTW whatdya think of ‘Charlie and the Chocholcate Factory’?
I thought it was weird and Johnny Depp looked a bit feminine.
Iron Fist wrote:
Some days I just can’t type
@ BuddyG:
hated it. It was like someone was on acid when they made the movie. and yes, he was very feminine.
BuddyG wrote:
That is because Johnny Depp is a pussy
@ Philip_Daniel:
What you are missing Philip is that the translation is wrong. They meant to look inward and try to peacefully make the infidels believe. It can only be understood in the original arabic…
// Do I really need to…
Iron Fist wrote:
Ok.
It is now war Iron!
Me loves me some Johnny Depp!
@ typicalwhitey:
Rancher wrote:
WWII Kamikaze Pilots
It is very dangerous in the West to limit freedoms in order to protect
Muslim sensabilities.
It sets bad precedent and emboldens the RoP
Neil Boortz referenced this column by Dinesh D’Souza on How Obama thinks.
@ MikeA:
How does one drive a car bomb into one’s soul?
And the Interior Minister of Pakistan has asked INTERPOL to prevent the Koran burning in FL.
Islamic countries are pushing for passage of a UN Resolution (?) which would virtually ban criticism of Islam.
Susana strikes back!
@ mfhorn:
We should respond with a resolution criminalizing Jihad. I am so damn tired of playing nice with the bloody savages.
Pat Buchanan give the name “usefull fool” a bad name.@ Iron Fist:
Philip_Daniel wrote:
Well the last thing to go through a car bomber’s mind might well be his soles.
Why did the chicken cross the road?
You know the answer
Now
Why did the devout mysoginistic Mohamadan cross the road?
He was stuck in the chicken
TFK idea free on the internet.
Deport the illegals and any american who knowingly hires them to the same country.
like that
IT has warnings about a virus going around. Using the E-mail subject line “Here you have” the virus was mentioned on Good Morning America also.
@ mfhorn:
I thought they already got that.
African Moondog wrote:
What about the feelings of pigs who perceive many Muslims as vile, offensive creatures? My sympathy is with the pigs. Never heard of a pig beheading somebody or suicide bombing a kindergarten.
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