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Saturday Lecture 9-11, Where Were You When…

by coldwarrior ( 326 Comments › )
Filed under Academia, Al Qaeda, History, Islamic Terrorism, saturday lecture series, September 11, Terrorism at September 11th, 2010 - 9:03 am

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Today, we give the lecture and collect some history. Where were you and what were you doing when these events were occurring?

A simple Time line of events on 11 September 2001 to remind us:

0846- American Airlines Flight 11 strikes the North Tower (WTC 1) of the World Trade Center in NYC

0903- United Airlines Flight 175 strikes the South Tower (WTC 2) of the World Trade Center in NYC

0926- The FAA halts domestic takeoffs in US airspace and halts all takeoffs overseas of planes headed to the US.

0937- American Airlines Flight 77 strikes the Pentagon in Washington DC

0940- The FAA orders all US airport operations to cease, and orders all in-flight aircraft to land at the nearest suitable airport.

0949- Pittsburgh International Airport flight tower is evacuated, Pittsburgh’s Mayor Tom Murphy has already ordered the evacuation of downtown’s skyscrapers as United Flight 93 is hijacked and inbound.

0959- The South Tower (WTC 2) collapses.

1003- United Airlines Flight 93 crashes near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, 80 miles southeast of Pittsburgh.

1028- The South Tower (WTC 2) collapses.

1045- All federal office buildings in Washington D. C. are evacuated, workers are ordered home.

1050- The 5 story area impacted at the Pentagon collapses.

1100- Giuliani tells New Yorkers to stay at home. He then orders an evacuation of Manhattan south of Canal Street

1202- The Taliban government of Afghanistan denounces the attacks.

1702- World Trade Center Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper, collapses.

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  1. Speranza
    1 | September 11, 2010 8:08 am

    I saw the whole thing (at the least the first plane hit) while I was going to work in Manhattan that morning.


  2. mfhorn
    2 | September 11, 2010 8:10 am

    On 9/11, I was working at an aviation insurance office. Our day had just started, and we watched, stunned, as the Flight 175 struck the south tower. Most of the day was spent kind of in a daze.

    This is one of the most moving things I’ve heard.


  3. 3 | September 11, 2010 8:14 am

    I was at work when 9-11 started. The first we heard, our sales guy came back into the office and said a bomb had gone off in the World Trade Center. I said “Cool.” I figured we’d see ho a Republican handled this, since I had been so thoroughly disappointed in the Clinton Administration (Clinton would burn 80 men, women, and children alive for violating gun control laws, but he would allow Mohammedan Terrorists to damn near sink an American warship without answer. I had a lot to be disappointed in Clinton over).

    We got on the internet, and quickly learned that it was more than just a terrorist bombing. My boss’ wife brought in a little TV. We watched live as the Towers collapsed. I had it picked that it was Osama Bin Laden and his Merry Men within 30 minutes of the first plane hitting.

    My desired response: thermonuclear armageddon. I think subsequent history has born out that that would have been the proper response. We should have hit Afghanistan hard after they refused to turn over al Qaeda. It is that simple. It would hav e solved a lot of the continuing roblems that we are having. Iran would not be seeking atomic weapons. No one would be wanting to build a Victory Mosque at Ground Zero.


  4. African Moondog
    4 | September 11, 2010 8:17 am

    I was busy in my office working on something or other and wondered why i was getting no calls but was thankful that there were no distractions. after a couple of hours I walked into the street to get some fresh air and a bite to eat and was struck by the absolute stillness. I’ll never forget that stillness.

    A stranger, his face ashen behind a red and grey beard approached me and said, “It’s some college kids doing a media project, right? These planes flying into buildings.”

    My first though was that some kids had flown a Cessna into some building somewhere but I did not want to be button-holed by a crazy man so I went into a store to buy some breakfast and there on the screen was the absolute horror of it all.


  5. mfhorn
    5 | September 11, 2010 8:19 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Well, I wish we’d gone with vaporizing pretty much the entire Middle East. Iran. Iraq. Saudi Arabia. Pakistan. Afghanistan. Libya.

    We keep hearing that ‘America is not at war with Islam’, but it seems that Islam is at war with not just the US, but with the entire civilized world.


  6. 6 | September 11, 2010 8:20 am

    I wrote up a memorial on my blog yesterday. I was at work already before the first plane hit. Several years later I met some people here in Arizona who had been directly and personally affected. My memorial is to a friends brother and lifelong best friend. I will NEVER FORGET.

    http://kirls.blogspot.com/2010/09/memorial-9-11.html


  7. 7 | September 11, 2010 8:22 am

    @ mfhorn:

    Islam has been at war with the civilized world sinca bout AD 600. They aren’t going to change because the American President loves Mohammedans more than he loves his own country. They will simply exploit that weakness to further their war aims. As they have done.


  8. 8 | September 11, 2010 8:25 am

    Fox News Channel is replaying the news as it happened 9 years ago. in real time. right now.


  9. Bumr50
    9 | September 11, 2010 8:29 am

    I was at work at a janitorial supply house here in the Lawrenceville section of Pittsburgh.

    The first part of my day was extremely busy, as I was charged with picking and palleting orders to get ready for the trucks that arrived every morning, and so while I had FM radio on, I couldn’t listen regularly.

    A co-worker mentioned something about a plane hitting a building in New York in passing, but didn’t seem too concerned. My first thought, that it was more than likely something on the order of a single-engine Cessna with an inexperienced pilot, was reinforced by the morning show dj’s a few minutes later as they speculated the same thing.

    Terrorism didn’t even occur to me.

    My manager had a TV on in his office and called us in to take a look once video was available and I and everyone else were in shock at the size of the “accident.”

    Disturbed, I went back to work.

    When the second plane hit, it became painfully clear that this had been some sort of deliberate act. Reports of Flight 93 and maybe MORE aircraft filled the atmosphere with fear (as Flight 93 was so relatively close to Pittsburgh) I don’t remember hearing about the Pentagon tragedy until later.

    Corporate called and sent everybody home for the day. Traffic was a nightmare getting out of the city. Everyone in Pittsburgh was craning their necks looking skyward for fear of death from above.

    9-11 was a day of fear mixed with soul-wretching sadness. Anger came later for me.


  10. mfhorn
    10 | September 11, 2010 8:32 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    True. Unfortunately, we’ve gotten so touchy-feely we can’t say that. It might hurt their feeeeelings.


  11. Mike C.
    11 | September 11, 2010 8:39 am

    My little workroom in BP’s office building in NW Houston. Heard people saying things and eventually wound up on the third floor balcony overlooking the lobby area where there was a very large TV always set to CNN. Most of the city was shut down shortly thereafter.


  12. 12 | September 11, 2010 8:39 am

    The video at the top of this post, I believe that is this video which I have purchased.

    http://www.frugalsites.net/911/splash.html


  13. Bumr50
    13 | September 11, 2010 8:41 am

    African Moondog wrote:

    My first though was that some kids had flown a Cessna into some building somewhere

    There’s that “crazy or incompetent idiot with a small plane” idea that I harbored again. It seems to be a commonality for many.

    I sometimes feel guilty for being so ignorant, in that I didn’t feel sad, nor did I give much thought to casualties or human impact at all.
    I had an “Oh well, crazy world” attitude for that ever so brief period of time.

    mfhorn wrote:

    True. Unfortunately, we’ve gotten so touchy-feely we can’t say that. It might hurt their feeeeelings.

    Today is a day for HONEST reflection. PC has no place here.


  14. mfhorn
    14 | September 11, 2010 8:43 am

    @ Bumr50:

    I agree 100%.

    This crap has to stop. NOW. The Islamic world wants to play? They say they love death? Let’s give it to ‘em.


  15. 15 | September 11, 2010 8:44 am

    I was at home with the babies. My husband was at work at Philadelphia International Airport -- we lived about 5 miles from there at the time. He called -- said put the TV on -- something’s going on. I put the TV on. I was standing there holding the 1 year old with the 4 year old next to me. The tower was burning. I figured some accident had happened, maybe a small plane accidentally hit. I was telling him this -- and then Flight 175 appeared and slammed into the other building. I couldn’t speak -- he was saying, ‘What’s going on -- what’s going on?’ I just said, ‘Oh my God’ -- that’s all I could say. It just completely smashed through me like that plane smashed through that building, this is deliberate. I told him -- it wasn’t a little plane, it was a big plane and now both towers are burning. Me and the girls stood there and more planes crashed and I felt like I was surrounded by crashing planes -- NY, DC, PA. When the 1st building fell I tried to reach into the TV to stop it and it took a split second to realize that was just crazy to think that I could do that. My husband ended up staying at work for 2 days straight. I couldn’t believe how quiet it was with no planes in the air for so many days. A couple times we heard Hueys or something flying over -- amazing sound -- very loud and makes you want to crouch down under cover.

    My 4 y/old asked when the second plane hit, ‘Were there babies on that plane?’ I had to tell her that yeah, there might have been. I found out later that a cousin of mine was on Flight 175. Those pics of that plane bearing down on that building just freak me out. I can’t imagine what his last minute must have been like. Over the years I’ve heard stories and found that there WERE babies on that plane. Of course we know now just how many innocent people -- men, women and children were brutally massacred in that act of war. It’s horrifying and so like islam.

    I had a weird agoraphobia for about 6 months after 9/11. I can’t figure out why, but I had to fight it every day -- even just to go to the store or go visit a friend.

    My girls are 10 and 13 now. I can’t believe that it’s been 9 years. I can’t believe how much I’ve learned about the world since then -- it opened my eyes especially to the insanity of islam. It was one of those moments where before it happens -- you’re one way and then it happens and everything is changed in a moment.

    I will never forget and I will never, EVER forgive. I’m probably supposed to but I can’t. This shit in NYC with the victory mosque is seriously pissing me off -- it is amazing the gall of that imam. He is going too far and that rat bastard knows it.

    Sorry this was so long -- thanks for letting me post it.


  16. 16 | September 11, 2010 8:44 am

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    I agree 100%.
    This crap has to stop. NOW. The Islamic world wants to play? They say they love death? Let’s give it to ‘em.

    it is so far past time to play cowboys and moslems.


  17. refugee000
    17 | September 11, 2010 8:45 am

    Somebody better get a screenshot. This one will be deleted soon

    188 Alsatian Sat, Sep 11, 2010 5:40:21am replyquote

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    re: #178 _RememberTonyC

    It still feels solemn, but something has changed. I can’t exactly put my finger on it.

    From 2001 through 2008 LGF was a beacon of truth about the war that was being waged on the US and many others around the globe.
    Charles consistently posted about the worldwide jihad. It was here you heard about “Islamofascism”, “Islamic Supremacism”, about the spread of Sharia. He practically coined the term ROPMA. He consistently reported on those slouching towards “dhimmitude”. He even lambasted the Imam Rauf for pushing Sharia in the UK.
    The heroes were Hirsi Ali, John Bolton, Robert Spenser, Michael Yon, Wafa Sultan, et al.
    Now, the heroes are Imam Rauf and CAIR.

    That’s the change.


  18. 18 | September 11, 2010 8:48 am

    Of course that should be 9/11 -- - not 8/11.


  19. African Moondog
    19 | September 11, 2010 8:53 am

    198 harlequinade Sat, Sep 11, 2010 5:46:20am replyquote

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    re: #188 Alsatian

    If you mean the change was that, with a level head, Charles looked at how an awful event was hijacked by people with an agenda of hatred, and so parted with it?

    That’s change I can get behind.

    203 Alsatian Sat, Sep 11, 2010 5:49:48am replyquote

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    re: #198 harlequinade

    So everything he wrote for 7 years was what? A lie?
    Don’t get too worked up, that post will be deleted and this account will be blocked for posting a little reminder about what was published here for 7 years.


  20. African Moondog
    20 | September 11, 2010 8:58 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    I sometimes feel guilty for being so ignorant, in that I didn’t feel sad, nor did I give much thought to casualties or human impact at all.
    I had an “Oh well, crazy world” attitude for that ever so brief period of time.

    Ditto that. In my case the “crazy man” was actually a person I knew quite well. The fact that he could not accept the horror he had witnessed had actually changed his appearance too.


  21. Bumr50
    21 | September 11, 2010 9:00 am

    @ African Moondog:

    Maybe we should have a DoD thread if we want to continue examining the absurdity that is the LGF metamorphosis from 9/11/2001 to now.

    It’s definitely worth examining, but I’m not so comfortable allowing that buffoon to share the sacred space in my mind with my personal reactions and feelings to the 9/11 tragedy.

    Just an idea!


  22. 22 | September 11, 2010 9:00 am

    @ African Moondog:

    You’ll notice that Charles didn’t really change until our Muslim In Chief told him it was time to change. He is a weak-willed, slack-jawed yokel listening to the snake-oils salesman, and lapping up everything he says.


  23. Mike C.
    23 | September 11, 2010 9:02 am

    Ouch !


  24. African Moondog
    24 | September 11, 2010 9:02 am

    @ Bumr50:

    I agree! Since it is going to be deleted I just thought that a record had to be kept. I did not think of DoD although that is the logical place.


  25. coldwarrior
    25 | September 11, 2010 9:04 am

    @ GrizzlyMama:

    tis fixed


  26. Bumr50
    26 | September 11, 2010 9:08 am

    @ African Moondog:

    I understand now!

    There is something called “ScreenGrab” that I hear is good for that sort of thing, but since I don’t have nor use it myself I would be a hypocrite in suggesting it.

    My apologies if any offense was taken, it wasn’t meant to be critical at all.


  27. yellow flag
    27 | September 11, 2010 9:17 am

    I was at work -- two blocks from the Capital. A girl came in and said planes had driven into the Twin Towers. A bunch of us fired up the Internet and saw the news. While a bunch of the Government folks muttered about ‘will they send us home?’ I said to myself, I am getting the hell out of here’, pickup my purse and keys and got to my car.

    I took my usual route which was to snake down to Constitution Ave and then to a bridge into Virginia. As I got closer to the White House and Constitution Ave, the traffic jams got worse and worse. I saw every concievable vehicle with flashing blue lights on the dash -- pick-up trucks, Corvettes, pimp-mobiles, black SUVs -- all driving every which way to the Capital. I was amazed at all the different vehicles with blue lights.

    I sat on Constitution Ave in front of the White House for 45 minutes in stopped traffic. No traffic moving -- stuck there. Glinting steel on the roof of the White House and smoke from the Pentagon on my left. It was there that panic started to overtake me but I fought it with deep breaths and matras that you are going to make it to that bridge. You are going to get to the GW Parkway and get home. On the bridge, a blue and white helicopter shot up vertically from nowhere as I passed by. Where the hell did that come from? How the hell could they do that so close to the bridge? But the car was moving and the other side was coming closer.

    Some 3 1/2 hours after I left work, I was home.


  28. Bumr50
    28 | September 11, 2010 9:23 am

    @ yellow flag:

    On the bridge, a blue and white helicopter shot up vertically from nowhere as I passed by. Where the hell did that come from? How the hell could they do that so close to the bridge? But the car was moving and the other side was coming closer.

    Talk about frightening!

    I remember being scared more than anything that day.

    I remember hearing that they were patrolling waterways for potential threats, and maybe that helicopter was a part of that action.


  29. African Moondog
    29 | September 11, 2010 9:30 am

    @ Bumr50:

    Yours was a fair comment.

    I went over to my favorite moonbat sites, Firedoglake and the Puff Ho to see how they were commemorating 9/11. Not a peep on it of FDL, although in a post titled “Pull up a Chair”, Elliot concludes with:

    In short, if it were yours to give, how would you spread the wealth?

    On Huff Po the story is relagated to one of the side corridors, reporting The One’s comments.


  30. yellow flag
    30 | September 11, 2010 9:31 am

    @ Bumr50:

    The blue and white helicopters are (and were then) Park Police. And, yes they were patrolling the Potomac. The Presidential helicopters were at that time also blue and white… not now!

    I have since learned that one of the primary reasons for the blue flashing lights heading towards Capital was to get the Justices out.


  31. FishFearMe
    31 | September 11, 2010 9:39 am

    I share my thoughts on 9/11 on my blog Three States Plus One. The link is in the sidebar.


  32. Bumr50
    32 | September 11, 2010 9:40 am

    @ African Moondog:

    It’s sad in a way, how surreally(sp?) absurd those sites are (along with MSNBC.)

    The fact that they compare US to flat-earthers (what with hour belief in free-market capitalism, Chicago school economics, that we’re a sovereign nation under God, and our willingness to defend the great experiment that is America by any means necessary) is exceedingly ironic. They deal under the premise that their yet-to-be-attained utopian worldview is concrete fact, and any questioning of said premise is deemed “nuttery.”

    Hopefully, some of them will be able to strip away their preconceived notions and reflect back honestly today on this anniversary and will begin to deal in the terms of the reality that we face as a nation.


  33. RIX
    33 | September 11, 2010 9:44 am

    Good morning. Tough day & it seems like too many have forgtten.


  34. Bumr50
    34 | September 11, 2010 9:45 am

    Hey Barry just gave a not-half-bad speech (minus the “tolerance” lecture)!

    I think that that might be the first one I’ve ever listened to in it’s entirety.

    It probably choked him to to deliver it, but I must give credit where credit’s due.


  35. RIX
    35 | September 11, 2010 9:51 am

    I went out on the driveway to get my copy of the Chicago Tribune
    to read with a cup of coffee.
    I was disappointed but not surprised. The cover story was not about 9/11, but about a local mMslim teenager.
    She is unhappy because some of her classmates think that Mulims are terrorists. This while she studies, plays lacrosse & serves her internship at CAIR.
    Almost every page was filled with stories about bigoted Americans & Muslim victims.


  36. mtc
    36 | September 11, 2010 9:55 am

    I was in AL watching Good Morning America. They said there was a fire at the WTC. I thought it was a stupid little plane that hit. Then I saw Tower 2 get hit. I knew only Osama bin Laden could have done this; Al Quaeda was always boasting how it would return to finish the job. I tried e-mailing and calling my mom but the phone system was down in NY because the Verizon building had been damaged. I didn’t know if any of my relatives had been killed. My mom remembered Pearl Harbor and it’s a shame that she had to live through this again. She told me later that those Muslims who did this were worse than the Japanese, who at least had some civilization.


  37. 37 | September 11, 2010 9:57 am

    I remember….


  38. RIX
    38 | September 11, 2010 10:00 am

    FNC started last night & continues to do very respectful retrospectives on 9/11.
    They are not trying to balance it with a guilt trip for ‘bigoted”
    Americans.


  39. Bumr50
    39 | September 11, 2010 10:00 am

    @ RIX:

    That is outrageous!

    The Tribune needs to be called out on that. It’s disgusting.

    I subscribe to the conservative rag here (Pgh Tribune-Review) and haven’t seen how our much larger liberal paper has covered today.

    Here we go. They gave the banner story to one of their biggest flaming liberal opinion writers:
    Multitude of events don’t shy from 9/11
    Commemorations to be held alongside weddings, festivals
    Saturday, September 11, 2010
    By Sally Kalson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

    The first Saturday after Labor Day has always been a big day for social events, and this year is no exception — even though it falls on Sept. 11.

    Among the functions scheduled to take place today in the Pittsburgh region are a polo match, a car show, concerts of every stripe, weddings, a poetry reading, art openings, a dinner dance cruise and even a beer festival.

    Certainly today also will feature commemorations of the 2001 terrorist attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people in the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Shanksville, Pa. But the willingness to use the day for unrelated events that might have been unthinkable on the first anniversary raises some interesting questions about the national period of mourning.

    When does a date remain sacrosanct, and for how long? If the country resumes the normal course of life, is that a good thing, or does it mean the significance of the event is fading?

    Apparently she wants us to “MoveOn.”


  40. Bumr50
    40 | September 11, 2010 10:02 am

    @ Bumr50:

    OOPS. Big PIMF.

    The blockquote should be on the article, not my emphasis.


  41. mfhorn
    41 | September 11, 2010 10:03 am

    One of the cover stories on our local paper is from a 9/11 widow who’s upset about the Koran burning. The title is ‘She forgives, won’t forget’.


  42. calcajun
    42 | September 11, 2010 10:04 am

    I am watching MSNBC running the tape from that morning. One the one hand, it is still chilling. On the other hand, I still cannot believe how incredibly stupid Katie Couric sounds. To say that this bint is a journalist is an insult to weekend weathermen everywhere.


  43. Bumr50
    43 | September 11, 2010 10:04 am

    @ PaladinPhil:

    I too remember the eerily empty and silent skies.


  44. 44 | September 11, 2010 10:04 am

    I was at work. After the second plane hit and we knew it was deliberate, some of the girls in the office started making “Proud to be an American” signs and putting them up in the warehouse.
    Drove home, everyone was filling their gas tanks.
    Total silence overhead at the farm.
    I didn’t know if KC would be hit so I prepared to bring my entire family up to what I considered would be the relative safety of our farm. I knew my nephew would be going to war.
    And for a brief moment, I thought they would invade us, even though I didn’t know who “they” were.
    But what I remember most, was an overwhelming rage, a how could they? How DARE they?
    And I was scared.


  45. 45 | September 11, 2010 10:05 am

    @ yellow flag:
    good Heavens yellow flag! I knew you were close to the situation but I must have forgotten how close! how frightening.

    Way out west I didn’t feel a personal physcial threat. I was 30 miles from downtown in a 2 story building. i did however, feel a all encompassing dread of impending war and bad times. they have come to pass.


  46. savages_girl
    46 | September 11, 2010 10:08 am

    I was at home getting ready for work when one of my drivers called me and told me to turn on the tv. It was like 6:15-6:30am west coast time. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. I was just stopped in my tracks, standing in my living room, watching the tv. The whole thing was surreal and horrifying. Seeing the pictures later of people hanging out of windows and jumping to their deaths was sad. You could feel their desperation. A sad day in history. I can’t believe other countries that were supposed “allies” were applauding this attack. That’s just despicable.


  47. BuddyG
    47 | September 11, 2010 10:09 am

    I was driving to work on Long Island listening to the car radio when suddenly the music was interrupted by a Special Report that a “small plane had apparently hit one of the World Trade Center buildings”. The music came back on, I got to work and noticed that no one seemed to be around. But I soon found EVERYONE in a conference room watching a TV. The droning news narration sounded errie, and the images of the towers pouring flame and smoke shocked me into a sort of numbness. The lady receptionist of our company was crying ’cause her husband was a NYC fireman. (His body was never found). Bad day.


  48. Canadian Infidel
    48 | September 11, 2010 10:10 am

    I was at work too.
    I’ll never forget all of those who lost their lives.
    Or forgive.

    Iron Fist. You’re right.


  49. RIX
    49 | September 11, 2010 10:12 am

    Bumr50
    39 | September 11, 2010 10:00
    @ RIX:

    That is outrageous!

    The Tribune needs to be called out on that. It’s disgusting.

    The Chicago Tribune endorsed Obama & has steadily gone downhill since.
    You have to go all the way to the op-ed page to find any real story dealing with the actual events of 9/11.
    They did however balace it with a quote from Fareed Zakaria.
    Used to be a good paper, but is now just a rag.


  50. refugee000
    50 | September 11, 2010 10:14 am

    I was at home. At first the news of a plane hitting the WTC got my attention, but naturally I thought it must be some small plane. But within minutes I could see that this was something much bigger.
    At the moment I saw the second plane hit WTC 2, I thought, “we are under attack, we are at war.”
    And we still are.


  51. 51 | September 11, 2010 10:14 am

    What I can’t fathom is how quickly so many people seem to have forgotten that day, how so many now minimize it and relegate it to some ‘anomaly’ category. It is hard to believe how so many in the media have vilified the 9/11 families who do not want that mosque built so close to where their loved ones died.

    On the other hand, perhaps I should be not be surprised given some of the things I witnessed on that terrible day. My apartment was in Manhattan up on Washington Square and my view every morning and evening was taken up with those towers. The sight at night, with the bands of lighted windows in the Twins was so beautiful that I put the sofa so it faced the window and away from the TV. But on Sept. 10th, I’d made a trip out to California and so awoke to a phone call from a friend saying “look out your window, Oh my g-d.” The first plane had just crashed into the North Tower.

    I spent the morning glued to the TV, feeling incredibly alone, helpless, and aching to be back in NYC, fielding calls from family and friends from around the world who thought I was in The City, and desperately trying to contact a friend who worked on an upper floor of the South Tower and to try to calm and reassure his fiance, feeling so inadequate from afar. (In this case, friends, smoking was good for the health as the S.T. was being evacuated and then an announcement came telling them to go back to their offices but he and a friend decided to continue on down and have a cigarette. They’d walked down to the 7th floor when they felt the building shake--the second plane had hit their Tower. But everyone else they worked with had gone back up and didn’t make it out).

    Around noon, long hours for me after the Towers had fallen, I went to a nearby grocery store, as I’d arrived late the evening before and had nothing at all to eat or drink in my temporary accommodations. I was shocked to see ‘business as usual’ going on --not only was the store full, with people laughing and chatting and seeming completely unconcerned, but the golf course I passed on the way there was full. It was so full that a sign had been put out at the entrance to the parking lot noting that because of the unexpected increase in demand there was a 1-hour wait to enter the greens. A huge piece of my world, our world, had just crumbled into ruins along with thousands of lives and there were people who thought of this as a vacation day to get in a bit of golf. In the days that followed, conversations I had with people reinforced this disconnect.

    I was finally able to return home to windows that no longer looked out at a magnificent sight or indeed looked at much of anything because of the thick layer of detritus from the Towers’ collapse that coated them for the next four years. Maybe it coats them still.

    I was fundamentally changed. I shouldn’t be surprised at the vilification of 9/11′s victims, the ‘big shrug’ that so many seem to give, and yet I am. I’m as surprised and shocked and sickened as I was to see so many enjoying a 9/11 holiday golfing day.


  52. 52 | September 11, 2010 10:16 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    When does a date remain sacrosanct, and for how long?

    that’s from the newspaper article you quote….

    my response… forever. that’s what NEVER FORGET means. how long will we remember Pearl Harbor? For as long as this United States of America endures. How long will we remember the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001? For as long as this United States of America endures.

    My God, even asking that question is outrageous. let’s through that idiots article on the bonfire with all the korans.


  53. 53 | September 11, 2010 10:18 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ PaladinPhil:
    I too remember the eerily empty and silent skies.

    ohmygoodness, me too! at the time, I worked across the street from one of the busiest general aviation airports in the country. 50th busiest airport in the USA iirc. to walk out there and hear no engines, nothing, was surreal. as if time itself had stopped but i was still moving.


  54. RIX
    54 | September 11, 2010 10:18 am

    BuddyG
    47 | September 11, 2010 10:09
    I was driving to work on Long Island listening to the car radio when suddenly the music was interrupted by a Special Report that a “small plane had apparently hit one of the World Trade Center buildings”.

    I was dropping off my daughter at her grade school & heard the same report.
    The radio cohosts were speculating about a terrorist attack.
    I got a bad feeling & did not continue to the office, but turned around
    and went home. There was no doubt when the second plane hit.


  55. BuddyG
    55 | September 11, 2010 10:19 am

    Kirly wrote:

    When does a date remain sacrosanct, and for how long?

    Well, I still celebrate July 4, 1776 as a special and sacrosanct day.
    Does the Tribune consider that excessive too?

    /Grrrrrrr


  56. yellow flag
    56 | September 11, 2010 10:19 am

    @ Kirly:

    Yes close by. I sometimes now have to work in DC. But, I am very careful about ‘where in DC’.

    They are not done with us yet.


  57. savages_girl
    57 | September 11, 2010 10:20 am

    @ Bumr50:

    Maybe we should have a DoD thread if we want to continue examining the absurdity that is the LGF metamorphosis from 9/11/2001 to now.

    YES, THANK YOU! Agree 100%…


  58. goddessoftheclassroom
  59. African Moondog
    59 | September 11, 2010 10:24 am

    @ Yaeli:

    I am glad your friend was a smoker! We were shocked but your experience…wow!


  60. 60 | September 11, 2010 10:25 am

    Yaeli wrote:

    I shouldn’t be surprised at the vilification of 9/11′s victims, the ‘big shrug’ that so many seem to give, and yet I am. I’m as surprised and shocked and sickened as I was to see so many enjoying a 9/11 holiday golfing day.

    i had that same experience a few months later when i spoke with a friend who had moved away before 911. she actually said something like yeah, but that didn’t really affect us since it was back east, so far away. I’ve never bothered to speak to her since. I have no desire to be friends with someone who is so callous and uncaring about her own fellow citizens.


  61. 61 | September 11, 2010 10:26 am

    @ goddessoftheclassroom:
    ohmygosh! I was thinking of that very song all morning! love that song.


  62. RIX
    62 | September 11, 2010 10:27 am

    BuddyG
    55 | September 11, 2010 10:19
    Well, I still celebrate July 4, 1776 as a special and sacrosanct day.
    Does the Tribune consider that excessive too?

    /Grrrrrrr

    Wasn’t that all triggered by a bunch of teabaggers in Boston?
    And aren’t the Founding Fathers a bunch of old, dead honkies?
    I mean come on, nobody wants to come to America./


  63. RIX
    63 | September 11, 2010 10:30 am

    Obama already spoke at the Pentagon. Now Thing Two (Michelle)
    is speaking in Shanksville.


  64. goddessoftheclassroom
    64 | September 11, 2010 10:30 am

    @ Kirly:
    {Kirly}

    Amid all the horror of that day, my younger son, in first grade, said, “Mommy, I’m scared.” Such a wave of pure righteous HATRED towards those who attacked us washed over me, and I said (I think my voice shook), “We’re Americans. We don’t get scared; we get even.”

    He’s determined to go to the Naval Academy to become a Marine officer.


  65. savages_girl
    65 | September 11, 2010 10:33 am

    @ PaladinPhil:
    I listened again to the video and speech that you posted.
    I know it happened, but even re-watching it, it is still a bit surreal.

    I can’t believe it’s been 9 years and we haven’t caught Osama Bin Laden. That’s what irks me now…


  66. 66 | September 11, 2010 10:36 am

    goddessoftheclassroom wrote:

    @ Kirly:
    {Kirly}
    Amid all the horror of that day, my younger son, in first grade, said, “Mommy, I’m scared.” Such a wave of pure righteous HATRED towards those who attacked us washed over me, and I said (I think my voice shook), “We’re Americans. We don’t get scared; we get even.”
    He’s determined to go to the Naval Academy to become a Marine officer.

    that is so inspiring {GotC}. my nephews were kids when it happened too. They are now both Marines. They are 20 and 22. One is in SC and one in NC. I kept thinking of them as my brothers sons, kids, and was so worried about if they get deployed and how i’d hate Obama even more until they day I died if anything were to happen to them … until last night. I realized they, and your son, are the most amazing young men I have ever known. They experienced the horror and yet bravely defend our country in ways I will never be able to fully comprehend. God bless them all! I thank God for them every day. If something happens to them, I will know it was in great, honorable service to a country they loved enough to risk their lives for. I can’t type anymore. I’m sorry.


  67. BuddyG
    67 | September 11, 2010 10:37 am

    @ RIX:

    Dec 25, 0001 is another special and sacrosanct day.

    Two thousand years! TAKE THAT TRIBUNE!


  68. goddessoftheclassroom
    68 | September 11, 2010 10:38 am

    @ Kirly:
    You expressed my thoughts exactly.


  69. African Moondog
    69 | September 11, 2010 10:38 am

    savages_girl wrote:

    I can’t believe it’s been 9 years and we haven’t caught Osama Bin Laden. That’s what irks me now…

    You can’t catch a dead man! However when it comes to his minions…heh!


  70. 70 | September 11, 2010 10:41 am

    goddessoftheclassroom wrote:

    We’re Americans. We don’t get scared. We get even.

    Goddess, If I may post your link.


  71. RIX
    71 | September 11, 2010 10:41 am

    BuddyG wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Dec 25, 0001 is another special and sacrosanct day.
    Two thousand years! TAKE THAT TRIBUNE!

    At this point I would not be shocked if the Chicago Tribune, The NYT & WaPo consider the Christmas celebration to be hurtful to Muslim
    feelings & therefore hateful.


  72. savages_girl
    72 | September 11, 2010 10:43 am

    @ Yaeli:

    I was fundamentally changed. I shouldn’t be surprised at the vilification of 9/11′s victims, the ‘big shrug’ that so many seem to give, and yet I am. I’m as surprised and shocked and sickened

    Your story for some reason reminded me of the bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City. Even though it was done from Tim McViegh (an enemy within our own United States), it was still an act of terrorism that took innocent lives (especially the children).

    Horrible events like these should never be forgotten. And everything should be done to honor the fallen and the injured whose lives and their families lives were changed forever.

    You should never forget… these kinds of tragedies are a wake up call for the U.S.


  73. 73 | September 11, 2010 10:44 am

    Get past the first few seconds to watch what is posted on Holger Awakens. Please. As always, OE has a very good post.

    http://holgerawakens.blogspot.com/2010/09/september-eleventh-two-thousand-one.html


  74. mfhorn
    74 | September 11, 2010 10:45 am

    @ savages_girl:

    If we catch the bastard, I say the hell with a trial. Turn him into a eunuch, sew it and 5 strips of bacon in his mouth, and bury in him pig shit.


  75. Nevergiveup
    75 | September 11, 2010 10:46 am

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ savages_girl:
    If we catch the bastard, I say the hell with a trial. Turn him into a eunuch, sew it and 5 strips of bacon in his mouth, and bury in him pig shit.

    Personally I don’t think he is still alive


  76. 76 | September 11, 2010 10:47 am

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ savages_girl:
    If we catch the bastard, I say the hell with a trial. Turn him into a eunuch, sew it and 5 strips of bacon in his mouth, and bury in him pig shit.

    since he’s not covered by the protections of the Geneva Conventions (anyone who doesn’t believe me that he can rightfully be summarily executed on teh battlefield should read them for themselves), i say that sounds fine.


  77. 77 | September 11, 2010 10:48 am

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    mfhorn wrote:
    @ savages_girl:
    If we catch the bastard, I say the hell with a trial. Turn him into a eunuch, sew it and 5 strips of bacon in his mouth, and bury in him pig shit.
    Personally I don’t think he is still alive

    well then find his body, dig it up, and leave it in indignity for eternity.


  78. Nevergiveup
    78 | September 11, 2010 10:48 am

    Kirly wrote:

    mfhorn wrote:
    @ savages_girl:
    If we catch the bastard, I say the hell with a trial. Turn him into a eunuch, sew it and 5 strips of bacon in his mouth, and bury in him pig shit.
    since he’s not covered by the protections of the Geneva Conventions (anyone who doesn’t believe me that he can rightfully be summarily executed on teh battlefield should read them for themselves), i say that sounds fine.

    Yeah but he is covered by the Obama conventions.


  79. RIX
    79 | September 11, 2010 10:50 am

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ savages_girl:
    If we catch the bastard, I say the hell with a trial. Turn him into a eunuch, sew it and 5 strips of bacon in his mouth, and bury in him pig shit.

    I think that Osama is Osama bin Dead. He would be taunting us if he was alive.
    If he is alive , he can not be taken that way.
    RoPers have no self-control apparently & they would just be forced to get violent.


  80. coldwarrior
    80 | September 11, 2010 10:54 am

    @ Nevergiveup:

    mornin’ doc.


  81. chickadee
    81 | September 11, 2010 10:54 am

    Now, more than ever, as the muzz aggressively engage in stealth jihad, we need strong solid conservatives in office, who love this country and see the danger posed by islam. It is imperative that we make that happen.
    All around America the muzz are building mosks and spreading their hideous screed of murder and cruelty.
    Look how many muzz around the world celebrated the massacre of our fellow Americans on 9-11.

    Look what the jihadi iman is trying to do right on the graves of of those they killed on 9-11.
    If Rudy were mayor of NYC this would not be happening.

    I am going to GZ today to protest these vile scum and their treacherous plan to commemorate their victory on 9-11 with a conquest mosk. It is astounding that they just won’t back off. They keep trying to push their ‘tolerance,’ ‘ compassion,’ and ‘sensitivity’ down our throats, though we say no thank you.

    We are seeing that these aggressive bastards have absolutely no regard for us. No sensitivity for our feelings whatsoever. The muzz want this monument to their murderous success so bad they are digging in and salivating like out of control beasts.
    They have no idea how disgusting their behavior looks to the citizens of this country.


  82. savages_girl
    82 | September 11, 2010 10:55 am

    @ Kirly:
    Hey Kirls, just wanted to say “HI” and {Kirly}.
    I miss you!
    I am going to go read your post from #6 (go to your site).
    I had to catch up with everybody here in between watching the vids.
    Such interesting stories about where everybody was and what everybody was thinking at the times of 9/11 attacks.

    Not being real into politics at the time, I didn’t even know who Osama Bin Laden was, or Al-Qaeda, or Islam. It just wasn’t in my realm of thinking. But the events of 9/11 changed all that. I learn a lot about it from this site. I can’t believe we still let people emigrate into our country from these countries that supported and cheered these horrible attacks. It sickens me.


  83. 83 | September 11, 2010 10:55 am

    I was sick in bed with a virus and my wife came in and said some idiot flew a plane into the WTC. True to tunnel vision my first thought was “Great, now every GA pilot in the US will get butt wrung” myopic I admit as I was fighting to keep my Medical at the time ( Yes I had and have an Airman’s Certificate, commonly called erroneously a Pilot’s Licensee). Five minutes later she came in and said no it was a commercial airliner.

    I was out of the bed in seconds virus forgotten as I charged down the hall to the Den where the TV was. She told me later I was stating over and over “the shit has hit the fan ATR’s do not make mistakes like that”) The Air Transport Rating is one notch above Commercial Pilot and is the pinnacle of Pilot ratings (OK, except for Astronaut Wings) required to fly Passenger Bearing commercial flights and has been shown just DO NOT PANIC. (We are in the Hudson!)

    I got to the TV in time to see the reports of the second plane hitting! I looked at her and said “We have to go kick someones ASS. That was an attack!

    I sat in that seat for the rest of the day with a fever wracking my whole bod and never noticed!

    I will never forget and never forgive!


  84. coldwarrior
    84 | September 11, 2010 10:55 am

    **this thread will be advertised for peeps to tell their story for the next week**

    fell free to continue on this thread as the ncaa football/bbq open all day background thread is up next, its for football/open, yinz can feel free to stay here if ya like.


  85. 85 | September 11, 2010 10:56 am

    going to a candle light memorial tonight at the American Consulate. Speaking of which, I gotta stop lurking and start moving. Too much stuff to get done today. NEVER FORGIVE, NEVER FORGET!!!


  86. 86 | September 11, 2010 10:57 am

    @ Nevergiveup:
    @ Speranza:
    @ MacDuff:

    I was in Jersey City when it happened. I saw the 2nd plane it. It looked like a spec from where I was standing. I got drunk with some Hot Indian woman who hated islam. You can figure out the rest!

    :-)


  87. 87 | September 11, 2010 10:58 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Did you get Bunk’s email?


  88. chickadee
    88 | September 11, 2010 10:58 am

    RIX wrote:

    Obama already spoke at the Pentagon. Now Thing Two (Michelle)
    is speaking in Shanksville.

    Is she lecturing us that we need to show tolerance for the muzz and try to understand why they are inspired and compelled to kill us, so we can change our ways and reach out to them?


  89. savages_girl
    89 | September 11, 2010 10:58 am

    @ mfhorn:
    agreed!

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Personally I don’t think he is still alive

    Really? What makes you think that?

    I think he’s still alive -- heavily protected by his followers and those around too scared to turn in his whereabouts.

    And it’s not just him we need to wipe out. It’s all his followers too. If Osama Bin Laden gets killed, I have not doubt one of his followers (if not many) would step up and fill in where he left off.


  90. 90 | September 11, 2010 10:58 am

    Fuck Islam!


  91. snork
    91 | September 11, 2010 11:00 am

    On the left coast, it wasn’t even 6 when the first plane hit. I was driving to work with the radio on KVI, listening to Kirby Wilbur. About ten to 6, there was some inaudible mumbling for a few seconds, and then Kirby said something about a report of a “small plane” hitting one of the WTC towers. My first thought was another Empire State Building kind of accident. Somehow, this smallish station in Seattle managed to get a hold of some New Yorker with a cell phone in the next ten minutes, and started asking questions, when he started screaming “O My God! O My God!, the second building was hit.” He then said that he could feel the heat from where he was standing. It was then that I knew it wasn’t a small plane.


  92. coldwarrior
    92 | September 11, 2010 11:00 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Fuck Islam!

    hey, we are flyin the castles and lions today!

    see pic in the ncaa thread


  93. RIX
    93 | September 11, 2010 11:01 am

    chickadee
    81 | September 11, 2010 10:54
    Look what the jihadi iman is trying to do right on the graves of of those they killed on 9-11.
    If Rudy were mayor of NYC this would not be happening.

    Anybody with even a cursory knowlege of Islam knows that historically
    they have built Mosques in the area of a great military victory.
    Obama certainly knows this. He had a Muslim father & step-father & took Koranic studies in Jakarta.
    He pretends not to see it.


  94. savages_girl
    94 | September 11, 2010 11:02 am

    @ chickadee:

    They keep trying to push their ‘tolerance,’ ‘ compassion,’ and ‘sensitivity’ down our throats, though we say no thank you.

    Why don’t they develop some tolerance and sensitivity and not built their mosque there at all. Seems a no-brainer…

    Sometimes (I’m thinking more times than not as I get older), I think we need to realize there is a limit to being tolerant and all “PC”, and the powers that be in the U.S. government need to realize when that line has been crossed and take definitive action.


  95. 95 | September 11, 2010 11:03 am

    @ savages_girl:
    hi savages_girl. thanks! i know i don’t comment as much but i read the posts and when i have something i think is worthy of saying, i comment. i’m glad you’ll read my memorial. the part about me is just a boring slice of life but it leads up to my meeting my friend Mack and getting to know, through him, two victims. I also met the author of the books Stairwell to Heaven. It’s actually the story of an ordinary American man who goes to work in the WTC on 911 and experiences a horrifying situation. He was fortuante. He got out.


  96. RIX
    96 | September 11, 2010 11:05 am

    chickadee wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Obama already spoke at the Pentagon. Now Thing Two (Michelle)
    is speaking in Shanksville.
    Is she lecturing us that we need to show tolerance for the muzz and try to understand why they are inspired and compelled to kill us, so we can change our ways and reach out to them?

    I don’t know, because FNC cut away from her.
    BHO did the lecture at the Pentagon though.
    We are such a blood thirsty group. Look at all the Muslims that get killed & maimed in America!/


  97. snowcrash
    97 | September 11, 2010 11:06 am

    I was driving my daughter to preschool and we were listening to childrens music. I turned the radio off for the ride home. A little Rafi goes a long way. When I pulled in front of my house a neighbor ran out to tell me something was happening in NY and to turn on the TV, she would be over in a minute. I turned on the TV and saw one Tower was on fire, there was talk it was a small plane accident. A short time later the second plane crashed into the second Tower. I was shocked and horrifed. I didn’t know what I was seeing. I remember thinking the same thought over and over, what is happening? what is happening? The phone wouldn’t stop ringing. Neighbors dropped by. No one could make sense of what they just saw happen live, on TV. By noon, 10 people were glued to my tv and all we did was watch silently and say “Oh my God”, oh dear God”. I remember 9-11 like it was yesterday. Shock has been replaced by anger and even that has been replaced by something a little colder and a lot more determined. Maybe it is hate or maybe resolve, I’m not sure. My silly American friendliness and innocence was lost that day. You can call me bigot to my face and it rolls right off with no effect. I know who did this and I do not trust them not to do a similar thing if given the chance. 3,000 dead and I will not forget. No mosque at Ground Zero.


  98. 98 | September 11, 2010 11:08 am

    The History Channel is showing some more 911 documentaries today.


  99. FishFearMe
    99 | September 11, 2010 11:09 am

    @ Rodan:
    Nice and concise, Rodan. I wrote the same thing on my blog, except I went on a rant. I will not forget and those bastards of Islam deserve no forgiveness.


  100. RIX
    100 | September 11, 2010 11:15 am

    If I stray from FNC it is clear that today is not a day to remember the outrage of 9/11 & to mourn the dead.
    No, it is a day to admit our Islamophobia. Hey we don’t welcome a Ground Zero Mosque, & other mosques are being opposed.
    Johnson even pointed out that a drunk eneterd a mosque & urinated
    on a prayer rug.
    Charles may wet the bed, but he has never pissed on a prayer rug!


  101. African Moondog
    101 | September 11, 2010 11:17 am

    RIX wrote:

    Charles may wet the bed, but he has never pissed on a prayer rug!

    Too busy doing sit-ups on them in the direction of the pet rock!


  102. savages_girl
    102 | September 11, 2010 11:19 am

    @ Kirly:

    I also met the author of the books Stairwell to Heaven. It’s actually the story of an ordinary American man who goes to work in the WTC on 911 and experiences a horrifying situation. He was fortuante. He got out.

    I can’t begin to imagine the lasting impact that would have on someone’s life to have actually been there going through that whole experience. I wonder if people who survived still have nightmares about that day.


  103. 103 | September 11, 2010 11:21 am

    I was working in an office where I had accumulated a considerable degree of infamy for having openly supported the Serbs during the 1999 Kosovo War. Due to ongoing security concerns, I cannot give any further information about my exact whereabouts at that time.

    As soon as the news came in, one of my co-workers asked me whether “my people,” meaning the Serbs, did it. I pointed out that “my people” are not capable of such a thing.

    Then, I called my husband on the telephone and told him, very quietly, to put the television on.

    There is a spiritual dimension to all of this. During the Kosovo War and its aftermath, I had predicted that what goes around, comes around, and that America could expect disaster as the outcome of its own errors. I also said very plainly that no retaliation would ever come from the Serbs, which indeed has proven true.

    Government wrongdoing and corruption inflicts a heavy price, as we also saw during and after Hurricane Katrina. In a larger sense, we are not punished for our sins, but BY our sins.

    Instead of using the power of the US and NATO military forces to set up a stronghold for the jihadis in the Balkans, with the futile aim of appeasing Middle Eastern oil interests, we should have struck back at each set of jihadi perpetrators hard and relentlessly, and yes, with a truly disproportionate level of destruction, for each and every attack they made on the US, on US interests, or on our non-Muslim allies. In addition, then and there, we should have permanently closed off all avenues for Muslims to emigrate to the US, or even to visit.

    Had we done so, there never could have been a 9-11, because our enemies would have had neither the wherewithal nor the opportunity to strike us.

    The jihadis view appeasement as a sign of weakness, and respond, never with gratitude, but always with emboldened aggression and depredations.


  104. savages_girl
    104 | September 11, 2010 11:22 am

    OK, looks like some of you have moved on to the next thread.
    I will come back and read this one thread thoughout the day.
    I think it is imperative to remember and reflect on what happened.
    For some reason, this is not a situation that I can “forgive and forget”. We should never forget.


  105. NoThreat2U
    105 | September 11, 2010 11:23 am

    So where was I when this happened? Well the kids were off to school. One in high school, so he was gone longer, the other in junior high had only been gone about an hour. I remember sitting and channel surfing early morning shows when I saw the one tower on fire. Just then, BAM! The second plane hit. Since we are close to Pittsburgh International, the schools closed. My daughter came running in the house crying and shaking..”We’re all gonna die!”. I could barely comfort her as reports of the other planes were coming in. I was crying. My daughter then asked me “Will Uncle George have to go to war?” I said I hoped not, but probably. That scared her more. I was sad. I was pissed. I was ready to send my brother myself and have him kick some serious ass. I am not nice when I am pissed and you mess with my family. I still cry on this day. I have never in my life seen total devastation like that. I want revenge. And to any stalkers, remember, one day it might be YOUR kids on the line against the moe invasion. Are you teaching them to put flowers in their gun barrels or to fight back?

    NEVER FORGET, NEVER FORGIVE


  106. unclassifiable
    106 | September 11, 2010 11:24 am

    I was at work when the co-worker in the next cube said a plane hit the WTC.

    I was thinking maybe a Piper Cub or some little small private plane like that.

    At that point the Internet turned to mush for any news site and it was slow to get information that way so we hustled on over to the trade floor and in quick order saw news of the second WTC strike and the Pentagon attack.

    At that point the building we were working in was ordered evacuated as well as all of downtown Houston.

    I just went backed to my cube.

    I was pissed.

    I kept thinking about how the Israelis try to make a point of continuing on with their daily lives and routines in the face of such daily horror. Now it is our turn.

    I worked in a totally abandoned building in a totally abandon business district.

    I made it a point to work until 5PM.

    I made it a point not to watch the news.

    I knew that every jackass with their own personal agenda was going to turn this into their own cause — a platform for their own animuses.

    It took me a few weeks to actually get the mental steadiness to watch the footage of the towers falling — and I still watched agape and hurt.

    I cannot put into words the sadness and helplessness I felt those few months afterwords.

    There were a few charity drives and the like but it just seemed that no amount of action of any kind was enough to quell the anger and betrayal we all felt as a country towards our fellow human beings.

    It seems to me that the most disappointing are those talking heads that tried to turn our attention away from the brutal acts of this day.

    And the minions of useful idiots who tried to confuse this simple act of barbarism with the platitudes of peace and restraint.

    I cannot readily express this feeling as well as on man in a surprising essay that I still remember to this day.


  107. 107 | September 11, 2010 11:24 am

    Kirly wrote:

    The History Channel is showing some more 911 documentaries today.

    I was watching some of that last night. One Bush administration official, I can’t recall which one, said that after that day “every day was September 12th”

    That probably sums up my feeling, and will for the rest of my life. We have a generations-long struggle ahead of us, but there are some who just want to move along and put the unplesantness behind us.

    On September 12, we all knew that the world had changed forever, but in the insuing nine years, many have lost their focus. Yes, we must move on with our daily lives and not let the events of that day consume our every waking moment.

    That said, in the back of our minds, as we watch events unfold around us we must always realize that it’s 9/12, be concious of the scar that day left, and remember that our collective future have been forever altered.


  108. RIX
    108 | September 11, 2010 11:28 am

    African Moondog wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Charles may wet the bed, but he has never pissed on a prayer rug!
    Too busy doing sit-ups on them in the direction of the pet rock!

    Yeah, he will soon have that circular sore on his forehead to prove
    his piety.
    No wait, he could never fast during Ramadan.


  109. Lost
    109 | September 11, 2010 11:32 am

    I’ve spent the last 2 hours watching the memorials online.

    I sobbed when Rudy Gulliani spoke at the Twin Tower memorial. Rudy, you were a true leader to us in those trying days. You gave us a sense of security and reassurance, you gave us pride in who we are and your strength gave us strength, to make it through those tough days.

    To the Blogmocracy Community, I beg your patience as I relive that day.

    September 11. 2001
    I woke to a sunny morning and rushed about my Brooklyn apartment getting ready for the day. My grandfather was booked to have open heart surgery and we were all worried about the outcome. My Dad had flown in to NY and I was going to meet him at the hospital after work. I wished my husband of 4 months a “have a good day” and ran to catch my ride. I remember thinking that the sky was so blue, so so blue.

    The morning went as normal. In my 5th grade classroom, it was only me and my students. No radio, no internet, no television and no news. It was only at morning recess, when I went down to the staff room, that I heard that planes had flown into the twin towers. The principal walked into the room and requested that we don’t give the students any details. “They are young,” she said, “and many of their father’s work in Manhattan. They will all think that their father’s are in danger. Let’s wait until we have more details.”

    Going back into the classroom was surreal. I looked at the 32 faces looking up at me and begged for Divine providence. “Help me say the right thing,” I prayed. The rest of the morning was a blur. After lunch duty, I got ready to leave. I had to get to the hospital but the public transportation system was in chaos. Another teacher offered to drive me. I am indebted to her to this day.

    The first thing that hit us as we stepped outside the school, was the smell of smoke in the air. It felt as if we were breathing in ash. We shared a look and drove in silence to the hospital. It only took the normal 20 minutes. When I arrived in the operating waiting room. I found 1 aunt. “Where is everyone? Where is my father?” I asked. She didn’t know. She last heard from them in the early morning. He arrived an hour later after spending the morning stuck on the BQE. He had the radio on and filled me in on the details. I remember telling him “I don’t believe you, those buildings would never fall!” I had been there 3 weeks before, to the day, with my sister. My father took me down to the cafeteria, where a TV was broadcasting the news. “It’s like a scene out of Godzilla” I said. It didn’t look real.

    Even though I had scene the horror on TV, breathed the ash and smelled the smoke, the enormity of what had happened did not hit until I came home that evening. Everyone was congregating outside in the streets. People were swapping names, asking if everyone in the community had made it back ok. Wearily, I trudged up the stairs to our apartment.

    When I opened my door, I came face to face with the horror. Where the twin towers should have been was a horrible black/grey cloud of smoke. Huge clouds of it. That’s when it hit. I felt like I could see the souls of those who lost their lives, rising up through the thick of it. That’s when I cried.

    And I cry still, for those who lost their lives, for those who are left to mourn them. For the unity we had then as a nation, that we have now lost. And I cry still for those who risk their lives to keep the rest of us safe.

    G-d Bless us all. Thank you for allowing me the privilege to share.


  110. 110 | September 11, 2010 11:33 am

    @ unclassifiable:
    yeah, we all stayed at work all day too but since we weren’t near NYC or DC or even downtown Phoenix or in a highrise, we did not feel physically threatened. There was only a small number of people who didn’t show up that day. I stayed at work for about 12 hours that day. the Department Manager reminded us that we were the leaders and needed to keep it together so i refused to see any of the visuals. no trip to the cafeteria to watch the news on television for me. the internet was unavailable for most of the day. i only retrieved the radio and listened a bit. five years later i took the day off and watched the coverage on the internet as if it were live. i can only imagine what it must have been like to actually watch it in real time.


  111. African Moondog
    111 | September 11, 2010 11:33 am

    @ RIX:
    LOL!!


  112. snowcrash
    112 | September 11, 2010 11:33 am

    Do any of the admins know how to make this a “sticky” thread so it keeps going to the top of the front page? People from other sites might stop by and want to post their experiences.


  113. 113 | September 11, 2010 11:40 am

    Obama this morning:

    Obama said, despite the terrorists’ efforts to spark conflicts among faiths. “As Americans, we will not or ever be at war with Islam.”

    But the problem that we have had for the past nine friggin years is that Islam is at war with us! Unless we understand what we are fighting, we will be doomed.


  114. huckfunn
    114 | September 11, 2010 11:45 am

    I was working from home that morning. Wife and son were at school. I was in my study watching the stock futures on my computer and all indicators were up. All of a sudden the futures took a fairly sharp dive so I clicked over to an news ticker and saw that an airplane had hit one of the towers. I went into the den and turned on the news just about the time the second plane hit. I was glued to the TV for the rest of the day with frequent calls to my wife with updates. I remember going out on the deck that night and how strange it was to see no planes in the air.


  115. NoThreat2U
    115 | September 11, 2010 11:47 am

    @ huckfunn:
    Being close to an airport as I am…now that I think about it not only PIA but a small county airport, the quietness was freaky. I guess I was a little paranoid.


  116. rain of lead
    116 | September 11, 2010 11:52 am

    I was off from work that day
    was sleeping in.
    the phone rang and my wife got up to answer it, it was mymother in law
    “turn on the tv” she said “a plane has hit the world trade tower”
    my wife did, then woke me up saying “you have to see this”
    we sat there watching thinking “what a horrible accident”….
    then the second plane….
    “oh fuck…this was no accident”
    we sat there watching as the horror mounted
    the pentagon
    the towers falling
    the plane going down in penn.
    thinking “oh my god what’s next”
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    today it has been 1 year here at 2.0, last year at the other place
    on this date the was no flag on the masthead and I knew that things had changed and it was time foe me to leave.


  117. 117 | September 11, 2010 11:52 am

    RIX wrote:

    African Moondog wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    Charles may wet the bed, but he has never pissed on a prayer rug!
    Too busy doing sit-ups on them in the direction of the pet rock!
    Yeah, he will soon have that circular sore on his forehead to prove
    his piety.
    No wait, he could never fast during Ramadan.

    Islam and Brain Damage


  118. 118 | September 11, 2010 11:53 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Obama this morning:
    Obama said, despite the terrorists’ efforts to spark conflicts among faiths. “As Americans, we will not or ever be at war with Islam.”
    But the problem that we have had for the past nine friggin years is that Islam is at war with us! Unless we understand what we are fighting, we will be doomed.

    Obama is at war with us.


  119. 119 | September 11, 2010 11:55 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    I was working from home that morning. Wife and son were at school. I was in my study watching the stock futures on my computer and all indicators were up. All of a sudden the futures took a fairly sharp dive so I clicked over to an news ticker and saw that an airplane had hit one of the towers. I went into the den and turned on the news just about the time the second plane hit. I was glued to the TV for the rest of the day with frequent calls to my wife with updates. I remember going out on the deck that night and how strange it was to see no planes in the air.

    I remember, a few days later, a US fighter plane happened to make a fairly low pass over our neighborhood. I remember feeling grateful that it was one of OUR planes!


  120. 120 | September 11, 2010 11:58 am

    snowcrash wrote:

    Do any of the admins know how to make this a “sticky” thread so it keeps going to the top of the front page? People from other sites might stop by and want to post their experiences.

    I concur.


  121. huckfunn
    121 | September 11, 2010 12:01 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    @ 1389AD:
    Shortly after the FAA grounded and recalled all planes, I went out on my deck and saw a plane heading into Austin. I wondered if it could perhaps be an attack plane. Very strange.


  122. 122 | September 11, 2010 12:07 pm

    If the attacks had come ten days earlier they would have got me. On the morning of 9/1/2000 I was sick as a dog in bed in a SW corner room of the Millennium Hilton.

    Ten days later I was at work 2500 miles away from the scene, running the semi-weekly Software Bug Review meeting. The news came to me mostly on my pager.

    Check out a picture of the Millennium Hilton on 9/11. Note the huge gouge in the SW corner.

    [Yes I am unalterably opposed to Imam (spit) Rauf's Al-Qaeda Arc de Triomphe.]


  123. coldwarrior
    123 | September 11, 2010 12:08 pm

    @ snowcrash:

    good idea…fwd’d it to M


  124. bar
    124 | September 11, 2010 12:24 pm

    Don’t burn the Qur’an, burn a terrorist wrapped in bacon. Lets help them find their 72 virgins.


  125. NoThreat2U
    125 | September 11, 2010 12:27 pm

    I bought the movie Flight 93. Watched it once. The whole fron collar of my nightie was wet from wiping my tears. When they showed those people calling home for the last time? My God. The screams before it hit the ground however made me proud. They weren’t screams of fear, they were screams of angry Americans who did what they felt they could do to divert that plane. They were pissed. I loved hearing that. Good on them for not going down without a fight. And I hope the jihadis knew that it was American men and WOMEN who kicked their asses that day and ruined their plans.


  126. savages_girl
    126 | September 11, 2010 12:35 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    I bought the movie Flight 93. Watched it once

    When Hollywood Video near my home was going out of business, I saw the move Flight 93 available. I couldn’t bring myself to buy it or to watch it. I would be like you -- I would cry through the whole thing. I just can’t imagine what those people were feeling… I just wouldn’t be able to watch it.


  127. NoThreat2U
    127 | September 11, 2010 12:44 pm

    @ savages_girl:
    I caught some of it on tv once and that is why I wanted to own the movie. Chances are I will never watch it again. Then again, the day may come when i need to remind myself and others of what just happened that day.


  128. livefreeor die
    128 | September 11, 2010 12:44 pm

    I’m sorry I’m late to the thread. Hope no one minds if I post my remembrances. I was coming back from dropping off my younger son at nursery school. I had Howard Stern on and they interrupted the show to say the first tower had been hit. I kept thinking, “How are they going to put that out?” Just thought it was an accident. I got home and put on the tv so I could watch it while cleaning up from breakfast. The angle of the second crash was such on NBC that I thought some debris had fallen on the second tower and started a fire there. Then an eyewitness they were interviewing said, “OMG, another one just hit.” That’s when I realized it was terrorism. I just stood and watched things unfold for the next few hours until I had to pick up my kids from school. I put on a big happy face for them (one was six and one was three) and told them we were going to have a special day and just watch Disney movies in the tv room “All day long. Yay!” I kept the tv on in the kitchen and turned it off everytime they came in.


  129. 129 | September 11, 2010 12:48 pm

    I was truck driving at the time and had just gotten home the night before. I got home about once a month and had the day off so I had stayed up pretty late. My wife was in Cruces so I was home alone and my mom called me and woke me up. She said turn on the TV, the world is ending. This was before the second plane but she knew we had been attacked. She had lived through Pearl Harbor and lost her first husband over the Sea of Japan. I saw the second plane hit. Spent the day in front of the TV. Nobody would mention the M word or if they did it was to warn us not to jump to conclusions. Next day though the CBs were buzzing with comments about nuking Mecca, Medina, Kabul, Baghdad, etc. with others jumping in that we are not like them, shouldn’t kill innocents, not all Muslims are terrorists. It was allot like blog chat. There were quite a few Pakistani truck drivers at that time, they always seemed to be around but for months after 9/11 I never saw one. I remember Bush’s first speech after 9/11at a truck stop in El Paso. Every trucker was itching for us to go to war, truckers tend to be very patriotic and conservative.


  130. Bumr50
    130 | September 11, 2010 12:48 pm

    I wrote a tribute last year for a WTC victim as part of the “Project 2996,” and am a little embarrassed that I didn’t do the same this year, as there are still names with no tributes listed on the site.

    My tribute from last year is posted a site for those of us without blogs called “Friends of Project 2996″

    If anybody has any spare time and wouldn’t mind doing just a little research, there are still MANY names unrepresented.


  131. Bumr50
  132. coldwarrior
    132 | September 11, 2010 12:54 pm

    ***Our blogmocrats want this to be the top thread thru the day….***

    their wish…my command, verily.


  133. savages_girl
    133 | September 11, 2010 12:54 pm

    @ Rancher:
    I used to know a truck driver (he ran for me when I was a dispatcher) who drove about 4-6 months out of the year, and then would work on his farm for the other 6-8 months. Ron at T-Bird Express. Can’t remember his last name.

    When did you go stop trucking and go into ranching/farming?


  134. mfhorn
    134 | September 11, 2010 12:55 pm

    I’d like to thank everyone for their memories of 9/11. This does need to be kept up at the top for a while so others can post, read, and remember.


  135. NoThreat2U
    135 | September 11, 2010 12:56 pm

    I’m gonna post a link to this thread on my Facebook. Maybe we can get some new posters and drum up some interest. If that is OK with yinz :)


  136. savages_girl
    136 | September 11, 2010 1:03 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Sorry, link to “Friends of Project 2996″ here

    Nice tribute to people. Well done.


  137. 137 | September 11, 2010 1:06 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    But the problem that we have had for the past nine friggin years is that Islam is at war with us! Unless we understand what we are fighting, we will be doomed.

    That is exactly right. We can hide from this, and lose, or face it and fight and win. We do not lose when we fight to win.


  138. ornery elephant
    138 | September 11, 2010 1:07 pm

    @ Kirly:

    Thank you, Kirls.

    I’d like to share this: Last night, about 100 or so of us were down at the entrance of Walter Reed Army Medical Center with our “Support the Troops” signs and American flags…there were 3 Code Pinkers. We were on all four corners of the entrance on Georgia Avenue.

    About 8:30 p.m., a young soldier, dressed in civvies, appeared at the one corner across the street from me -- he was shaking hands with our guys over there. He then proceeded to walk across Georgia Ave to a thunderous round of applause and the car horns blaring from dozens and dozens of cars that stopped as he crossed the street, it took some time as I believe he was fairly new to his prosthetic leg. He met us on our corner, I shook his hand, I told him “thank you for your service, soldier, you have no idea how proud of you I am.” He walked across the street two more times as he shook every hand of every person there -- his words were simple and heartfelt. He said to each of us:

    “Thank you for doing this. You just can’t know how much it means to us to see you out here.”

    This soldier was 19 or 20 years old.


  139. coldwarrior
    139 | September 11, 2010 1:15 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    cool


  140. NoThreat2U
    140 | September 11, 2010 1:16 pm

    @ ornery elephant:
    Tearing up here. That is exactly the response these men and women deserve! WTG OE :)


  141. 141 | September 11, 2010 1:16 pm

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  142. 142 | September 11, 2010 1:17 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Speranza

    Speranza, please tell us about your experience.


  143. 143 | September 11, 2010 1:18 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I saw the whole thing (at the least the first plane hit) while I was going to work in Manhattan that morning.

    Sorry. Here’s the quote from Speranza’s comment.


  144. 144 | September 11, 2010 1:19 pm

    Here’s mine…

    I had parked at the TA truckstop in Porter IN the night before with a load going to a warehouse just north of O’Hare for delivery at 1pm on 9/11. I got up at 730am and turned on WLS radio to listen to the traffic reports and Don and Roma (the drivetime morning hosts) were droning on and on about how horrible it was in New York. Mind you, I was half asleep so I had no idea what they were talking about. I threw on some clothes, got out of the truck and walked inside the truckstop. The restaurant is right on your left side as you walk in the front door and I noticed that there were about 30 drivers and 2 counter girls and not a peep out of any of them. If you have ever been around truckers, everyone tries to talk over everyone else, a loud group to be sure.

    I went over to the counter and sat down and asked the girl at the counter what the hell was going on and she told me to go into the TV room down the hall and watch the TV and she warned me that there was some bad shit going on in New York. I went down the hall and looked up at the clock above the door to the TV room (truckers are notorious for watching the clock due to the nature of the industry) and it was a little past 8am Chicago time. I walked in the door, looked at the TV, saw one of the towers with smoke pouring out of it and saw with my own eyes the second tower get hit by the jetliner. That was at 8:03 local time.

    I looked over at another driver and the first thing I said to him was “we are at war now.” I tried to call everyone on my cellphone and I couldn’t get a call through for about an hour and finally got hold of my boss in Cedar Rapids and Gary told me to stay there and not to drive anywhere and all the appointments on his board were cancelled by the owner of the company.

    Everyone in that truckstop were walking around like zombies. No one was saying a thing. A few of us including me were trying to call around to get permission to drop our load and grab as many empties as we could and drive them to New York to help out and all we were told is to stay there and wait to see what was happening. Remember, no one knew if the Sears Tower was the next target. Same thing with LA, Detroit, Atlanta, every major city you could think of.

    The boss gave out a bunch of money to cover us for the delay time and I got an appointment on September 12th to get my trailer empty. I headed out of the truckstop at 9 that morning and there was hardly any traffic out there, and in Chicagoland that is extremely rare. But the strangest thing I ever saw, and I have seen a lot of odd things in all my years of driving, was the sight of probably 250 planes sitting idle on the tarmac of O’Hare. It was as quiet as the grave.

    That is my 9/11 story.


  145. 145 | September 11, 2010 1:20 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    I wrote up a memorial on my blog yesterday.

    I read it yesterday. You did a good job. Thank you.


  146. savages_girl
    146 | September 11, 2010 1:21 pm

    @ savage:
    good morning Savage


  147. 147 | September 11, 2010 1:24 pm

    @ savages_girl:

    good morning.


  148. yenta-fada
    148 | September 11, 2010 1:25 pm

    Lost, that is such a vivid recall. Speranza, I cannot imagine what you must have felt, and what you still experience. I was home and we were watching CNN when the second tower was hit. It was unreal and devastating, incomprehensible. We were glued to the TV. In Canada, provisions were being made for American flights to land safely in various airports instead of entering U.S. airspace.

    I began to learn about Islam from that day on. It has taken a long time to recognize a mindset so different from everything I have ever seen and known. Islam is at war with the West. Philip Daniel is correct. The U.S. is a vassal state of Saudi Arabia; the Bush dynasty down through Obama are all at fault. Our tolerance is cynically used against us in the West every hour, every day by Islam. It is also an economic war with oil as a weapon. Never forgive, never forget, never stop telling the truth. Thanks, Blogmocracy.


  149. NoThreat2U
    149 | September 11, 2010 1:27 pm

    Just to be honest with myself and not let my anger destroy me, I have to say that there were plenty of people in other countries who mourned right along with us. I think it put into perspective, for them, that if the Great US can be dealt a blow like that, how vulnerable were they?


  150. wolfie
    150 | September 11, 2010 1:28 pm

    I was home-schooling all 4 kids back then. I remember we happened to be studying the geography of Africa and were in the middle of a drill/game identifying countries on an unmarked map. My older son had just correctly pointed out Burundi.

    Then I got a call from my (Taiwanese) sister-in-law. She was very agitated and, since her accent gets much worse when she’s upset, I had a hard time understanding her. She knew that my brother (USAF intelligence)had a meeting at the Pentagon that morning and she couldn’t get through to anyone to find out where he was and if he was alright.

    Only a few minutes later Mr. Wolf called from work to tell me what had happened.

    We spent the rest of the day following the news coverage on TV.

    A couple of hours after my SIL first called, she heard from my brother and passed the news on to the rest of the family. He was had been nowhere near where the plane struck and was fine. I remember that he went over to Andrews AFB and didn’t get home for 3 days, but I don’t remember why….or maybe we just weren’t told.

    My older kids remember this vividly. The younger ones only vaguely.
    Funny, though. We all get the creeps whenever we hear the word “Burundi,”………which, I grant, is not very often.

    My kids remember this vividly.


  151. savages_girl
    151 | September 11, 2010 1:30 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Our tolerance is cynically used against us in the West every hour, every day by Islam

    Isn’t that the truth!


  152. Xeon
    152 | September 11, 2010 1:32 pm

    On 9-09-01 a good friend of mine and I parked our car in a small marina on the Hudson river, it was an exceptionally clear night and we were commenting on how we could see the windows of the World Trade Center so clearly, there was no haze, I made a comment about how beautiful the buildings were and we talked about remembering when they were being built, I used to wonder how they would get the last crane down from the top. That was the last time I would see them standing. On the morning of 9-11, I remember picking up a newspaper and glancing the front page and I read a small blurb that they had just caught some lowly hijacker from a 1972 hijacked plane to cuba, I thought to myself, hijacked planes, now there is something you don’t hear about anymore, 7 minutes later, irony struck. My sister drove an express bus in Manhattan, she saw the plane fly right over her bus and she said out loud, “Oh my God, that plane is going to hit the Empire State Building” she was not far off, I contacted the bus company and they told me she was okay, and on her way to the station, I met her at my parent’s house and she was white as a ghost, they made all drivers stay at work in case they needed to do emergency evacuations, but they fortunately did not have to go back into the city that day. I will never forget and never ever forgive.


  153. wolfie
    153 | September 11, 2010 1:40 pm

    I am watching the Nadal-Youzhny semi-final of the US Open while reading over this thread.
    I am rooting for the Russian Youzhny. Nothing against Nadal, who is cute as a bug’s ear.
    So why Youzhny?
    He is wearing a black ribbon on his sleeve in memory of the victims of 9/11.
    It’s pity others players didn’t think of that.
    I salute him!


  154. 154 | September 11, 2010 1:44 pm

    @ Crusader Rabbit:
    Before or after repairs

    the hit


  155. 155 | September 11, 2010 1:47 pm

    @ ornery elephant:
    do you have any idea how much you are loved and how much what you do on your blog appreciated?

    don’t panic, i mean platonic friendly love. :-)


  156. 156 | September 11, 2010 1:49 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    I wrote a tribute last year for a WTC victim as part of the “Project 2996,” and am a little embarrassed that I didn’t do the same this year, as there are still names with no tributes listed on the site.
    My tribute from last year is posted a site for those of us without blogs called “Friends of Project 2996″
    If anybody has any spare time and wouldn’t mind doing just a little research, there are still MANY names unrepresented.

    I missed last year but put up one for Michael Uliano this year.


  157. m
    157 | September 11, 2010 1:53 pm

    Reposted from the overnight --

    from JacksonTN:

    96 | September 11, 2010 00:01

    Gotta go to bed .. have to work tomorrow .. I don’t know if I will get to the thread tomorrow … I have to say now …

    I am sorry for many of political beliefs after 9/11 and for some time after … because actually what makes you understand … I didn’t or could not understand everything … politically I could not get a grasp of many things … but for sure I understood that we were under attack … I remember my parents coming to the room I was in and my father telling me what happened … they knew .. they just wanted for some crazy feeling to protect me … wasn’t that weird as I was a woman of way over 40 something … I will try to write something tomorrow as to what actually my family experienced on that day … but it is only now when I try to clear my mind and digest what my parents felt after having been through the trials and all the war they experienced … not only my father having actually fought in the wars and my mother knowing the feeling of getting the telegram from the dod of my brothers wounds in Viet Nam … and then what did they think .. here it goes again and they thought it was over for most of their children … no … we have just begun on this war that we are faced with now … it is different and it will be with all our children for many many years to come …

    If we think that this war is something we can see from afar ..well, we are so mistaken … it is coming and it will be near you and me … to the malls and they will decide because they know that little by little … small bombings and little instances will make a far more impact than a huge explosion … sad isn’t it … terror will come in small packages …

    I do not fricking care who thinks I am weird or paranoid … it is happening and it will continue to happen unless … oh, wait … what was the common phrase on that other site for so many years .. something along the lines of islam must die … dang cannot remember .. I bet some here could .. as Cato used that phrase all the time …

    So if I said I would slit the throat of any jihadi who threatened my family .. well, yes, I would and if you want to get a an idea of what real fighting and war is like … then you must be willing to not only do that but see the blood as it passes through the body and comes to the ground .. because that is what our soldiers see when they have to face this … so … we decide … if the fight comes to us … here .. are you willing to be a soldier .. we ask them to be our soldiers over there … but what if it comes here … what would you do … I have decided … and if this seems extreme than you can delete this post …

    But, this day tomorrow is to remember and never forget … just like our parents never will forget Pearl Harbor .. same thing .. no matter what anyone wants to make us think … doesn’t there come a time when we make a stand … I am not a horrible person as maybe some people might think from reading my post but isn’t it time for us all to really take a good look at what is happening …

    God Bless America … and God Bless our Troops … and please let us never forget …


  158. ornery elephant
    158 | September 11, 2010 1:55 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    Just to be honest with myself and not let my anger destroy me, I have to say that there were plenty of people in other countries who mourned right along with us. I think it put into perspective, for them, that if the Great US can be dealt a blow like that, how vulnerable were they?

    NoThreat2U -- great, great point.

    This is a reminder of how the Brits reached out to us the day after 9/11/01.

    The Changing of the Guard September 12, 2001


  159. The Osprey
    159 | September 11, 2010 1:55 pm

    At the time I was still living in the Bay Area. I was working as a beta program manager for a digital video software company, and as our engineers did not get in the office until later, I woke up around 8, got a bowl of cereal and a cup of coffee, and turned on my Mac to look at news headlines. The SF Chronicle webpage had a story headlined “World Trade Center Towers collapse” but there was no mention of terrorist attack or the planes in the headline…I thought it was some structural damage from the first attack in 1993 finally manifesting itself. I had a weird feeling and turned on the TV just in time to see a replay of the 2nd plane hit. I knew it was Jihadists before I even heard the speculation about Bin Laden. In my mind I flashed back to a scene in that Orson Welles movie from the late 1970′s about the Nostradamus prophecies of a Muslim leader who would attack the West. I watched dumbfounded for a while but knew I would soon have to head in to work. I was convinced the attacks were not over, and did not know what would be coming next. Terrorist hit squads at malls and gas stations? I pulled my CZ-75 out of the closet and loaded up 3 mags with 9mm hollow points, and put the pistol and the extra mags in a range bag and put it in my car for the trip to work. California gun laws be damned, if these jihadist bastards were going to pull something like that I was determined to be able to shoot back! On my way in to work I listened to the local conservative talk station and it was there I heard about all flights being grounded. The lack of aircraft in the sky was eerie, as the Bay Area is home to three major airports. “We are all Israelis now” I thought. Work was a blur for me that day and for the next few weeks, but I remember having to seriously restrain my emotions, as, this being the Bay Area, a number of co-workers were out and out lefties who were already talking nonsense about how our support of Israel was to blame. One of them, a hippieish dude who DJ’ed rave shows and was into the whole lefty Indymedia scene was spewing that Paki inspired rumor that “4000 Jews did not go to work in the Towers” I told him that was absolute bullshit, that most of the staff of Cantor Fitzgerald who died in the Towers were Jewish. How I managed to avoid coldcocking him I will never know.

    I spent the next few months in a state of frustration over my age, the state of my health, and the fact that I had not served in the military when I was younger. My dad had been a Marine helicopter pilot in Vietnam, and when I was a child I had wanted to follow in his footsteps as a military aviator. Unfortunately genetics intervened as I had inherited my mother’s predisposition to nearsightedness. Now I regretted not having served in some other capacity, as they were taking in guys in their late 30′s/early 40′s who had served previously. In late October, early November just as we began to attack the Taliban, I had my second acute bout with diverticulitis. It was extremely frustrating to me, watching our guys take on the Taliban knowing i would not be able to take part. One amusing irony, the anthrax attacks were taking place at the same time, and one of the meds they were giving me for the divertic was Cipro!


  160. 160 | September 11, 2010 1:59 pm

    @ ornery elephant:
    omg. i’m blubbering like a little baby here. messing up my make up. i’ll have to fix my face again several times before i get to the 9-11 memorial this afternoon.


  161. 161 | September 11, 2010 2:02 pm

    savages_girl wrote:

    @ Rancher:
    I used to know a truck driver (he ran for me when I was a dispatcher) who drove about 4-6 months out of the year, and then would work on his farm for the other 6-8 months. Ron at T-Bird Express. Can’t remember his last name.
    When did you go stop trucking and go into ranching/farming?

    Other way around, I was a Rancher till age forty when we finally sold the ranch. I drove for Swift for about a year then went to prison where I still work. More detail here.


  162. 162 | September 11, 2010 2:02 pm

    the history channel is showing the miracle of stairway B right now. 14 people survived the collapes in a stairwell.


  163. coldwarrior
    163 | September 11, 2010 2:03 pm

    FROM BunkX:

    I’d just gotten out of the shower, and the Missus had the TV on, said that a plane had hit one of the WTC towers. I was thinking an idiot in a Cessna bounced off of one. Got dressed and headed out to work.

    As I was pulling out of the driveway, my neighbor pulled up. He’s a Samoan guy, works retrofitting buildings for firesprinklers, and said that the library tower in L.A. had been evacuated and everyone sent home. He also said that a second plane had struck the WTC, the Pentagon had been hit, and there was another plane still in the air. I thought he was kidding me.

    It wasn’t until I got to the office, that the enormity of the attacks hit me, as I watched the towers fall on a portable TV.

    My emotions didn’t really kick in until I came home, watched replays of people leaping to their deaths to avoid the smoke and the flames, watched the towers collapse again. I lost all semblance of composure.


  164. 164 | September 11, 2010 2:04 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    ***Our blogmocrats want this to be the top thread thru the day….***
    their wish…my command, verily.

    Thank you!

    I’ve tweeted this post and linked to it.

    I would like to ask all Blogmocrats and lurkers who have accounts on Twitter, Facebook, or other social media, or who have their own blogs, to please tweet and/or link back to this post.

    Blogmocracy provides built-in buttons for Twitter and Facebook that are very convenient. The buttons are at the head of each thread.


  165. snork
    165 | September 11, 2010 2:04 pm

    @ ornery elephant:
    But it sure didn’t last long.


  166. coldwarrior
    166 | September 11, 2010 2:07 pm

    @ snork:

    snork, we moved your billionare post to tomorrow. it’s a better fit there, hope you are ok with that.


  167. coldwarrior
    167 | September 11, 2010 2:08 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    thanks!


  168. 168 | September 11, 2010 2:12 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    Posted on my blog and my facebook. Great idea.


  169. coldwarrior
    169 | September 11, 2010 2:12 pm

    **admin note***

    there will be rosh hashanah thread tonight, happy new year and pray for a great 5771!


  170. snork
    170 | September 11, 2010 2:12 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Nema problema.


  171. coldwarrior
    171 | September 11, 2010 2:12 pm

    @ Kirly:

    thanks kirly!


  172. Bob in Breckenridge
    172 | September 11, 2010 2:12 pm

    I slept through the whole thing. I didn’t wake until until around 11AM.


  173. 173 | September 11, 2010 2:13 pm

    I would also like to take this opportunity to request once again that everyone do whatever they can to make sure that St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church, which was obliterated when the South Tower fell, is rebuilt:

    Rebuild St. Nicholas CHURCH at Ground Zero, Not a Mosque

    How You Can Help: Build The CHURCH, Not A Mosque


  174. 174 | September 11, 2010 2:14 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    **admin note***
    there will be rosh hashanah thread tonight, happy new year and pray for a great 5771!

    Good!

    :)


  175. savages_girl
    175 | September 11, 2010 2:37 pm

    @ Rancher:

    Other way around, I was a Rancher till age forty when we finally sold the ranch. I drove for Swift for about a year then went to prison where I still work. More detail here.

    Read you link/story. Very interesting.

    I always find it interesting how people end up doing what they do for a living.

    I would think being a corrections officer you are always “on your guard”. Can be dangerous work. Kudos to ya!


  176. 176 | September 11, 2010 2:42 pm

    On 9/11/2001 I had just gotten out of the shower and was stumbling around the kitchen trying to make a pot of coffee, it was 6am in the morning, California time.

    My brother was clowning me for getting up so late, he had been up since 5am, and already finished a pot of coffee by himself.

    As I am standing there, still wearing only a towel looking more like a drowned rat than anything else his mother in law bursts into the house and rushes over to the television and turns it on. She was sobbing uncontrollably.

    She had left her house for work at 5:45am, California time, on her way to work she normally drove right by our house, on 9/11 she had her radio on and was listening to local talk radio. By the time she had driven the five miles from her house to ours she knew what had happened and she stopped to see the television news coverage.

    Within minuets of her arrival everyone in the house was up and glued to the television, myself still clad only in my bath towel with a empty coffee cup dangling from my finger included. We stood watching in shocked silence for maybe 20 minuets before what was happening sank in.

    When the second tower actually collapsed my brother whose company had closed for the day and sent all it’s employees home and I got out the coffin flag we were given by the United States Navy when our father passed away and we hung it from the roof overhang of his house.

    We flew my fathers flag for an entire year after 9/11 and only took it down because nature was not being overly kind to it. That flag has been returned to it’s case and now sits once again under the urn that contains my fathers ashes.


  177. 177 | September 11, 2010 2:44 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    I would like to ask all Blogmocrats and lurkers who have accounts on Twitter, Facebook, or other social media, or who have their own blogs, to please tweet and/or link back to this post.

    Done.


  178. Mad Mullah
    178 | September 11, 2010 2:59 pm

    It was a little after 9 am, and I was still sleeping in my apartment in New York. I got woken up by my girlfriend who handed me the cordless phone, and on the other end a friend of mine from Europe was calling to tell me about the plane that had just hit the first tower. We spent a few minutes talking, and then I just remained glued to the television and internet for probably the next 7 days straight.

    It was also around that time that I started to look into and investigate the terrorists and research Islam in general, which is the same thing that countless other Americans also did around that time I would imagine. The more I read and found out, the angrier I became. I also surfed a bunch of foreign forums around this time and was shocked by the amount of glee and joy expressed by certain people. I also read and saw pictures/video of pockets of Muslims worldwide celebrating the attacks. Not long after Sept. 11, the liberals started joining the deranged Muslims and they started pushing the “find out the root cause” crap propaganda and the “USA is to blame” propaganda. And to this day, many liberals and Muslims are still the enemy, the enemy of Americans, the enemy of all mankind and the enemy of civilization.

    This war isn’t over, it has barely begun and Sept. 11 wasn’t even the beginning, but it certainly was the day that awoken many people as to the intentions and agenda of the “religion of peace” (death cult from hell).


  179. taxfreekiller
    179 | September 11, 2010 3:05 pm

    A bit OT, but on somewhat.

    Today ms tfk and I went over to Rockwall Tx. to hear Congressman Ralp Hall (R) Texas talk on 9/11. Good talk about our response by Pres. Bush who called on Ralph’s experiance a lot while in office.

    Ralp was a WWII carier pilot. He and Sam Johnson are best buds. He calls it like it is.

    At the end of his talk he went off the prepared deal with this idea that he and other conservative House members are working on.

    Rather than a Contract With America deal, he says they hope to call it the 10 Comandments of what to do regarding the work to “Re-take America” and the work after we re-take our Goverment.

    He had some real good ones they have come up with so far, I’ll not put them all here, but, he did ask for input from Americans, so here is his web site in D.C. and his office in Rockwall, his main assistant is Tom Hughes a good guy too. Call or e-mail your ideas to them. Find out which other Congressmen are in the deal with him, and if it is your Congressman hand your ideas off to that one. If your’s is not in the deal ask them “why not?”.

    One good one he and I agreed on after a bit of give and take.

    Comandment # so and so….”Thou shall not fight friendly wars”.
    Comandment # so and so….”Thou shall repeal Obama Care”
    Comandment # so and so….

    After that I looked him in the eye and said Ralph, this one too.

    “Thou shall secure the Borders” and if the Congress and Senate does not do so they too should be un-elected or resign.

    http://ralphhall.house.gov/

    Rockwall Phone number …972-771-9118 Rockwall Fax number 972-722-0907

    Washington D.C. number 202-225-6673 Washington Fax number 202-225-3332

    He is correct, We the People must take our country back and we do need to set goals and work at it. IMNSHO


  180. ornery elephant
    180 | September 11, 2010 3:06 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    @ ornery elephant:
    do you have any idea how much you are loved and how much what you do on your blog appreciated?
    don’t panic, i mean platonic friendly love.

    Awww Kirls…thankee so much.

    Just platonic? dammit! :kicks dirt:

    HaHaHa


  181. Da_Beerfreak
    181 | September 11, 2010 3:08 pm

    bar wrote:

    Don’t burn the Qur’an, burn a terrorist wrapped in bacon. Lets help them find their 72 virgins.

    Or at the very least put the bacon between the pages of the koran to insure that it picks up that deep-fried bacon flavor as you return it to hell. :twisted:


  182. 182 | September 11, 2010 3:10 pm

    ornery elephant wrote:

    Kirly wrote:
    @ ornery elephant:
    do you have any idea how much you are loved and how much what you do on your blog appreciated?
    don’t panic, i mean platonic friendly love.
    Awww Kirls…thankee so much.
    Just platonic? dammit! :kicks dirt:
    HaHaHa

    Only God knows where the future takes each person. Who knows where we will each be tomorrow, a year from now, 10 years from now. Only God. So, who knows? One think I do know -- any woman should be honored to have your interest.


  183. Wedges
    183 | September 11, 2010 3:16 pm

    Daddy:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UsFqVpm2OU


  184. coldwarrior
    184 | September 11, 2010 3:34 pm

    @ Wedges:

    thank you.


  185. savages_girl
    185 | September 11, 2010 3:52 pm

    Well, I went to take a nap, but I had the History Channel on and they are playing a lot on 9/11.

    This last hour has been from the perspective of photographers who were there, shooting pictures and running for their lives… the pictures really capture what was going on…plus they talk about their experiences during the whole thing… and the day after…


  186. lobo91
    186 | September 11, 2010 3:58 pm

    Sometimes I think I must have been one of the last people in America to hear about the attacks. I was working graveyard shift and going to grad school in the evenings at the time in Santa Fe, so I probably went to bed just about the time the first plane hit.

    When I got up that afternoon to get ready for class, I noticed the message light flashing on my phone. I picked it up to check my voicemail, and it was a call from school, saying that classes had been cancelled due to “the events in New York.”

    Naturally, my first reaction to that was “WTF?” I couldn’t really think of anything that could have happened in NY that would affect UNM classes in Santa Fe.

    Then I turned on the TV set. By this point, they were basically re-running the morning’s coverage in a loop, so it still took a while before I understood what had happened, since I’d turned it on somewhere in the middle.

    That day, and the wars that followed, completely changed the course of my life for the next several years, of course. It was kind of ironic that I learned yesterday that I’m one of the few people in America who is basically barred from going to fight. It’s even more ironic that it’s due to cost concerns over my retirement, given how much money this administration’s flushed down the toilet already.


  187. JohnH
    187 | September 11, 2010 3:58 pm

    I live in Dublin, OH. At the time, I was traveling to Boston virtually every week. I was to go to Boston on 9-12 for a couple of days. On 9-11, I decided to stay around the house and not go into the office until 9:00am. I distinctly remember that morning going out to get the paper and noticing how clear the sky was.

    I turned on the news about 8:30 and was watching as the reports came in. My mother called hysterical about 9:30 wondering if I was in Boston.


  188. BBEV
    188 | September 11, 2010 4:00 pm

    Here is what I was doing that day of day’s… I work in real estate development and construction I was getting ready to tear down my house to build a 12 unit cond building. Dave and I (Dave is a heavy machine operator) where setting up silt fence around some drainage areas to prep. on the site work. I went into the house to get some water and I had FOX news on and saw the 1st tower on fire and they had said a jet slammed into it. I thought that was very strange seeing as the shy was so blue. Just then I saw the second plain hit and I knew then that we where at war but did not know with whom. I went out doors and got Dave and we watched for a bit then got back to work. I turned the radio on in my truck and we listened to what was happening there where times I thought I was going to be sick with rage. Never forget never forgive


  189. exploding toe
    189 | September 11, 2010 4:02 pm

    With each passing year, the events of 9/11 are just as heart-rending as the day they occurred.

    I was working on a defense contract in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia that day. We were just getting off work and on the way back to our compound when the first aircraft struck the WTC. Our normal routine, once to our villa, was to turn on the TV and make dinner plans. I’d turned the TV on initially to CNN International, then Sky News, and then FOX, where they showed Tower One in flames. I distinctly remember seeing the clear blue sky and thinking “who the hell crashes into a skyscraper on a clear day like that?”, and thinking also that is was no accident. Moments later, I watched as the second jet slammed into Tower Two and immediately thought “G—— Saudis!” (yes that’s exactly what I’d thought!). We stood in stunned silence for a few moments as this was unfolding. And here we were, American civilians in what really IS a hostile nation, and wondering what’s next…

    The next day, after enduring a rather harrowing 20-mile drive to the base, and after one of the Saudi students started verbally lashing out about how “America deserved it!” and all that bullshit, I just turned around and walked out of the room, went to my manager and asked to be sent back to the US. I refused to remain any longer. The money was great, but they could’ve paid me two grand a day to stay and I’d still went home. The Middle East has always been stuck in a Sixth Century mindset. I was ready to go home.

    And I did not regret my decision for one moment. A few weeks after that, our compound was attacked by terrorists, in which three Saudi guards were killed, and several of the guys on our contract were seriously injured. The villas in which were were staying originally had been firebombed.

    God Bless America. And may our enemies be crushed like cockroaches.
    __________________


  190. 190 | September 11, 2010 4:02 pm

    Here is my friend Mack last year relating his 911 experience:
    Part 1
    Part 2

    He does this every year. Imagine that. He relives the murder of his brother (FDNY Ladder 3) and his best friend (worked at Cantor Fitzgerald) so that we never forget.


  191. 191 | September 11, 2010 4:04 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Sometimes I think I must have been one of the last people in America to hear about the attacks. I was working graveyard shift and going to grad school in the evenings at the time in Santa Fe, so I probably went to bed just about the time the first plane hit.
    When I got up that afternoon to get ready for class, I noticed the message light flashing on my phone. I picked it up to check my voicemail, and it was a call from school, saying that classes had been cancelled due to “the events in New York.”
    Naturally, my first reaction to that was “WTF?” I couldn’t really think of anything that could have happened in NY that would affect UNM classes in Santa Fe.
    Then I turned on the TV set. By this point, they were basically re-running the morning’s coverage in a loop, so it still took a while before I understood what had happened, since I’d turned it on somewhere in the middle.
    That day, and the wars that followed, completely changed the course of my life for the next several years, of course. It was kind of ironic that I learned yesterday that I’m one of the few people in America who is basically barred from going to fight. It’s even more ironic that it’s due to cost concerns over my retirement, given how much money this administration’s flushed down the toilet already.

    I know you think I am an asshole, and you are probably right, but please accept my heartfelt condolences. You have dedicated your life to serving the country and genuinely deserve better then this.


  192. lobo91
    192 | September 11, 2010 4:11 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    I know you think I am an asshole, and you are probably right, but please accept my heartfelt condolences. You have dedicated your life to serving the country and genuinely deserve better then this.

    Thank you.


  193. Calo
    193 | September 11, 2010 4:13 pm

    @ lobo91:
    {{{lobo}}}. My thoughts have been with you since I heard your news yesterday. There is no one I want more fighting for me and my children than you.


  194. lobo91
    194 | September 11, 2010 4:14 pm

    @ Calo:

    Thank you.


  195. gulfloafer
    195 | September 11, 2010 4:21 pm

    @ lobo91:
    What’s your MOS, SMG?


  196. lobo91
    196 | September 11, 2010 4:25 pm

    gulfloafer wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    What’s your MOS, SMG?

    My primary MOS is 74D (CBRNE Specialist).

    I’m also qualified as an instructor, battle staff NCO, and in tactical information operations.


  197. savages_girl
    197 | September 11, 2010 4:25 pm

    @ lobo91:

    It was kind of ironic that I learned yesterday that I’m one of the few people in America who is basically barred from going to fight. It’s even more ironic that it’s due to cost concerns over my retirement, given how much money this administration’s flushed down the toilet already.

    Is that why you were kind of bummin’ yesterday?

    You are really “barred”?


  198. 198 | September 11, 2010 4:33 pm

    I didnt like Islam since I was 5. In my 30 years nothing has changed my mind.

    Saying hi from the sports bar.


  199. lobo91
    199 | September 11, 2010 4:36 pm

    @ savages_girl:

    Is that why you were kind of bummin’ yesterday?

    You are really “barred”?

    Yup. I’m officially forbidden from going on active duty for any purpose, because I’m too close to becoming eligible for active duty retirement pay.


  200. gulfloafer
    200 | September 11, 2010 4:38 pm

    @ lobo91:
    My brother-in-law was a CBRNE reservist out of WV. That’s pretty jacked up they won’t let you deploy.


  201. 201 | September 11, 2010 4:38 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I didnt like Islam since I was 5. In my 30 years nothing has changed my mind.
    Saying hi from the sports bar.

    I dont either, and here is my 9/11 rant for 9/11/10

    Fareed Zakaria can FOAD.

    Fareed Zakaria editor of Newsweek International whose column appears in Newsweek, Newsweek International and The Washington Post on September 4th 2010 opined that America had overreacted to 9/11/01.

    No Fareed, America did not overreact, had America reduced Mecca to molten glass and turned Iran, Iraq Saudi, Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt and Libya to radioactive wastelands it would not have been an overreaction. America’s reaction was tepid and weak and showed only that America’s leader have lost their spines and their courage to lead.


  202. gulfloafer
    202 | September 11, 2010 4:39 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Gators fan?


  203. lobo91
    203 | September 11, 2010 4:40 pm

    gulfloafer wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    My brother-in-law was a CBRNE reservist out of WV. That’s pretty jacked up they won’t let you deploy.

    Tell me about it.

    I’ll probably go ahead and transfer to the Retired Reserve as soon as I find some sort of job, since it’s pretty clear that the Army has no further use for me.


  204. savages_girl
    204 | September 11, 2010 4:42 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Wow.

    Sorry man (big hug)…


  205. savages_girl
    205 | September 11, 2010 4:44 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Just look at it as an opportunity to go in another direction.

    Like I said to you on another thread yesterday, sometimes things happen for a reason and you don’t always know at the time what that reason is, but it usually reveals itself down the road.

    You have a new relationship that seems to be going well. Maybe it is time for a change of direction from the Army path.

    What do the Retired Reserves do?


  206. gulfloafer
    206 | September 11, 2010 4:48 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Yeah, it sucks but you’ve been around long enough to know how the game is played. Have you thought about going over as a civilian contractor?


  207. lobo91
    207 | September 11, 2010 4:56 pm

    savages_girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Just look at it as an opportunity to go in another direction.
    Like I said to you on another thread yesterday, sometimes things happen for a reason and you don’t always know at the time what that reason is, but it usually reveals itself down the road.
    You have a new relationship that seems to be going well. Maybe it is time for a change of direction from the Army path.
    What do the Retired Reserves do?

    Unfortunately, the only “other direction” that seems open to me at the moment is basically over a cliff.

    The Retired Reserves don’t do anything. I’ll still have an ID card, and get to use the PX and commissary, but that’s about it until I turn 60, at which time I’ll start drawing my retirement pay.

    Assuming I’m still around at that point.


  208. lobo91
    208 | September 11, 2010 4:57 pm

    gulfloafer wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Yeah, it sucks but you’ve been around long enough to know how the game is played. Have you thought about going over as a civilian contractor?

    I have, but I haven’t been able to find anything I’m qualified for.


  209. 209 | September 11, 2010 5:00 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    We should have turned Afaghanistan into Carthage II with radioactive residue. Not one stone on top of another, if you know what I mean.


  210. 210 | September 11, 2010 5:02 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    We should have turned Afaghanistan into Carthage II with radioactive residue. Not one stone on top of another, if you know what I mean.

    Yes I do and I totally agree, we didnt and now look at the mess we have.


  211. gulfloafer
    211 | September 11, 2010 5:06 pm

    @ lobo91:
    A pulse should be qualification enough for Afgahnistan. Saturate the market with your resume you might be surprised who contacts you.


  212. lobo91
    212 | September 11, 2010 5:08 pm

    gulfloafer wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    A pulse should be qualification enough for Afgahnistan. Saturate the market with your resume you might be surprised who contacts you.

    You would think so, but it doesn’t seem to be the case.

    There’s actually a pretty large pool of people for them to choose from these days.


  213. 213 | September 11, 2010 5:08 pm

    Lobo, you in New Mexico? Want to be a prison guard? I didn’t but you can make 35k your first year, no experience needed. Or truck driving, although the money isn’t as good.


  214. Nevergiveup
    214 | September 11, 2010 5:09 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    gulfloafer wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Yeah, it sucks but you’ve been around long enough to know how the game is played. Have you thought about going over as a civilian contractor?

    I have, but I haven’t been able to find anything I’m qualified for.

    Hey sorry to hear they pulled back your orders. I can’t say I am surprised.


  215. Calo
    215 | September 11, 2010 5:10 pm

    <
    Assuming I’m still around at that point.

    Worried here. Really worried about you Lobo. Let us know you are OK.


  216. lobo91
    216 | September 11, 2010 5:10 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    Lobo, you in New Mexico? Want to be a prison guard? I didn’t but you can make 35k your first year, no experience needed. Or truck driving, although the money isn’t as good.

    I’m in Colorado, although I did grow up in NM. Relocating isn’t really an option at the moment.

    And I’m kind of old to get into that field, anyway.


  217. lobo91
    217 | September 11, 2010 5:13 pm

    Calo wrote:

    < Assuming I’m still around at that point.
    Worried here. Really worried about you Lobo. Let us know you are OK.

    I’m fine, at the moment.

    Can’t say where I’ll be a few months from now, though. I’m nearing the end of my unemployment eligibility, and the “Obama recovery” doesn’t seem to have made it here, yet.


  218. 218 | September 11, 2010 5:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    the “Obama recovery” doesn’t seem to have made it here, yet.

    Has it actually made it anywhere besides DC???


  219. 219 | September 11, 2010 5:18 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    The “Obama Recovery” is limited to people who suck the government tit for a living. Since the military actually work for their pay, they aren’t eligible…


  220. 220 | September 11, 2010 5:21 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    The “Obama Recovery” is limited to people who suck the government tit for a living. Since the military actually work for their pay, they aren’t eligible…

    Cough cough, with all due disrespect to this administration The “Obama Recovery” is limited to people who are not white who suck the government tit for a living.


  221. gulfloafer
    221 | September 11, 2010 5:27 pm

    @ lobo91:
    You’ll be ok. Get that application out there.


  222. 222 | September 11, 2010 5:46 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I say destroy Saudi Arabia, Iraq, let IUndia destroy Pakistan and let israel wipe out South Shiite Lebanon.

    Do these 3 acts, and the Islamic scum would bury their heads for a few centuries.

    I’m having Jamaican style Ribs to say fuck you to Islam!


  223. 223 | September 11, 2010 5:46 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    It’s the Obama Boom!
    /


  224. 224 | September 11, 2010 5:47 pm

    One of the oddities of living on the Weat Coast was that a great deal of that day occurred any many of us were completely unaware of it. While people were experiencing terror, I was reading USA today on a BART train heading to Oakland. I get off, go to the gym, get changed, head out to the treadmill, turn on the personal TV to FOX NEWS and saw the hole in the Pentagon. It took me time to catch up to what had happened that day.

    I have a friend that works in Tower Two. Her husband in Tower One. I can only imagine the heartbreak and terror of those that had loved ones in those buildings watching as the towers fell. I remember Rudy Giuliani the day he became America’s Mayor. And New York’s Finest and New York’s Bravest became our new American heroes. I don’t think any of us ever look at a firefighter the same way again.

    Yesterday, Mark Levin played the 9-1-1 calls from people in the Towers. I had to reapply my mascara. I actually have to reapply my mascara every time I think of that day. But by all means, don’t show us the true horror experienced by our fellow Amnericans that day -- a horror so awful that one fireman stated “how bad must it be there, that jumping is the only alternative?”

    Or the fireman who watched Tower Two begin to fall and say “Cap -- our guys are up there!!” To which the Captain responded -- “Tommy, everybody’s guys are up there.”

    The next day, United Airlines, in a memorial, took a full page in major newspapers. There was one line that stuck out, and I may be paraphasing: “It was a day that the best of humanity met the worst.”


  225. 225 | September 11, 2010 5:47 pm

    gulfloafer wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Gators fan?

    They are deep here. I have no dog as I’m an NFL guy.


  226. gulfloafer
    226 | September 11, 2010 5:51 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    gulfloafer wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    Gators fan?
    They are deep here. I have no dog as I’m an NFL guy.

    Spawn of gulf will be attending U of F in the future.


  227. 227 | September 11, 2010 5:52 pm

    @ gulfloafer:

    AH cool! That’s good to hear!


  228. Flyboy
    228 | September 11, 2010 5:54 pm

    On 911 I was getting ready for work when my friend called and told me to turn on the TV… The first airplane had just hit, and the speculation was pilot error had cased the accident… My intuition was different. The skies were were clear so there would be no reason a pilot would just fly into the WTC. It soon came to the surface that it was intentional, and later, when the smoke cleared (pun in 10 did) fingers were pointing at Bin Laden.

    It used to be a hijacking would mean some guy with an accent would say to the pilot “take me to Havana” and the plane would sit on the tarmac until a suitcase full of money showed up.

    Not any longer.


  229. mjazz
    229 | September 11, 2010 5:54 pm

    My name is Christine Hanson.
    I am only two years old.
    I am going for a ride,
    or thats what I am told.

    I am sitting here quietly,
    next to my mom and dad.
    I am having a fun time.
    Everyone seems glad.

    Why is he yelling Daddy?
    Please tell me what’s wrong!
    Please don’t cry Mommy,
    this ride won’t be that long!

    Why are we getting up
    and moving to the back?
    Why is everyone crying?
    Why is she being attacked?

    What did I do wrong?
    Why are they yelling at us?
    Why is everyone screaming?
    What is all the fuss?

    I thought you said that
    this plane ride would be fun.
    Is this a game Mommy?
    Am I it, am I the one?

    I think I will hide behind you,
    so that I don’t get caught.
    Daddy this isn’t fun anymore!
    This isn’t what I thought.

    Why do I see buildings
    right out the next window?
    Shouldn’t we stop now?
    Shouldn’t we go slow?

    What was that loud boom?
    Why do I see fire?
    What just happened Daddy?
    We should have been higher!

    We have hit a building,
    the World Trade Center I think.
    I am slowly dying now.
    I can’t open my eyes to blink.

    Where are you Mommy?
    Why can’t I hear your voice?
    Why did they drive us here?
    This wasn’t our choice.

    My name is Christine Hanson,
    I am only two years old.
    We were going for a plane ride.
    That’s what we were told.

    I’ll never go to prom.
    I wont reach the age of three.
    Why did this happen to these people?
    Why did this happen to me?

    POEM WRITTEN BY: STEPHANIE CARTER (age 16)


  230. exploding toe
    230 | September 11, 2010 5:58 pm

    @ mjazz:

    That is probably the most moving poetry I’ve ever read.


  231. 231 | September 11, 2010 6:02 pm

    @ mjazz:

    Just….wow.


  232. lobo91
    232 | September 11, 2010 6:06 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ doriangrey:
    The “Obama Recovery” is limited to people who suck the government tit for a living. Since the military actually work for their pay, they aren’t eligible…
    Cough cough, with all due disrespect to this administration The “Obama Recovery” is limited to people who are not white who suck the government tit for a living.

    That’s about the size of it.


  233. 233 | September 11, 2010 6:24 pm

    I’d just gotten out of the shower, and the Missus had the TV on, said that a plane had hit one of the WTC towers. I was thinking an idiot in a Cessna bounced off of one. Got dressed and headed out to work.

    As I was pulling out of the driveway, my neighbor pulled up. He’s a Samoan guy, works retrofitting buildings with fire sprinklers, and said that the library tower in L.A. had been evacuated and everyone had been sent home. He also said that a second plane had struck the WTC, the Pentagon had been hit, and there was another plane still in the air. I thought he was kidding me, and I smiled. He responded with a glare that froze me.

    It wasn’t until I got to the office that I realized the enormity of the attacks, as we watched the towers fall on a portable TV.

    My emotions didn’t really kick in until I came home, watched replays of people leaping to their deaths to escape the toxic smoke and flames, watched the towers collapse again. I lost all semblance of composure.


  234. 234 | September 11, 2010 6:38 pm

    Mid 90′s New York City!


  235. BuddyG
    235 | September 11, 2010 6:40 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Fuck Islam!

    yup


  236. 236 | September 11, 2010 6:53 pm

    @ BuddyG:

    Islam is a collectivist movement like Nazism, Communism and Maoism.


  237. Grimcargo
    237 | September 11, 2010 6:58 pm

    I’m sure I have told this before. I had just crossed the state line into Tn. Pulling a horse trailor loaded with horses heading for Kentucky. I took an exit somewhere right across the line to get gas and stopped at this BP station. The kind that has a convenience store. As I was hanging up the pump I glanced inside the store and saw several people slapping hands and laughing. I walked on up to the door and went inside and walked to the back to get a coke. When I came inside they immediately went silent. But the T.v. set was on CNN and I stopped to look. I stood there what seemed forever letting all this sink in and also sinking in that these people in there, Asian is all I knew then.Were rejoicing over the planes hitting the towers. I didn’t want to watch anymore. I was actually sick and so angry that it was all I could do to pay these sons.of.bitches. and get out before I was looking at prison.

    And today, the Muslim in chief needed to remind us about tolerance.Yeah tolerance. Tolerance to these ghouls means submission.And like it or not…we are at war with Islam.If they are at war with us and they are, to say otherwise is sheer stupidity.
    Who would have thought that thousands of years ago,some pervert would invent a vile cult and call it a religion and use it in the civilized world as a shield. Too bad serial killers or mass murderers didnt think of that. Death to the Islamic bastards.


  238. BuddyG
    238 | September 11, 2010 7:00 pm

    @ Rodan:

    islam is a weird religious collective. Sort of a large scale Jim Jones’ People’s Temple.


  239. Grimcargo
    239 | September 11, 2010 7:01 pm

    BuddyG wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    islam is a weird religious collective. Sort of a large scale Jim Jones’ People’s Temple.

    Sort of like LGF and Charlie fatback johnson. All cowards to.


  240. 240 | September 11, 2010 7:03 pm

    @ BuddyG:

    It’s an Arabic based Imperialist Movement.


  241. 4_Sticks
    241 | September 11, 2010 7:09 pm

    I was home alone,200 miles away from the city and just about to walk out the door for work when I got a phone call from one of my staff asking if I was watching the news.As I was running late, I never turned on the tv or radio that morning. I sat down right where I’m sitting now,grabbed the remote and turned on ‘the news’ -- what channels ? I no longer remember -- they all looked pretty much the same that morning. I remained on the phone with the caller and we speculated about how this plane could have managed to hit the first tower.Since the 2nd tower hadn’t been hit yet, it still appeared to be likely an ‘accident’, yet I had this uncomfortable feeling of ‘hmmmm, what are the odds ?’.It just seemed to be a million in one shot that a pilot, even having lost control of the plane (hydraulic failure, whatever) would strike this one building dead on that way it had. But, not being a ‘conspiracy theory’ kinda guy, I told myself ‘it is what it is’, keep that thought submerged, don’t let it rise to the ‘conscious’ -- stay rational, stick with the known facts and wait for more info. Don’t start speculatin’ with this co-worker.Then she asked me if I thought it was ‘done on purpose’ ? It occurred to me that part of my job was to do my best to keep heads cool in emergency situations. Wild speculation could have people panicking and walking off the job -- something that can not be allowed to happen in our line of work. I decided the best thing was to offer a few reassuring words then get off the phone and head down there to work.But before I even had the chance to stand up, the 2nd plane hit.And that as they say ‘is/was that’,instant recognition -- it was a terrorist attack. As horrible as the events up to that point had been,it wasn’t until the 1st tower began to fall that a feeling of ‘surreal -- this can not be happening…’ washed over me. Until this point I had felt nothing but blind rage:“You F*CKERS, YOU F*CKIN’ F*CKERS, you’re gonna PAY !!”
    I had turned on the radio out in my kitchen and could hear it from where I was sitting, eyes glued to the TV in my living room. The radio was tuned to the “Howard Stern” show. He and his gang were commenting on the events too, they were as dumb founded as any one else. Suddenly I heard a muffled ‘Oh my G_d’ (or similar).It was Stern co-host Robin Quivers -- she had picked up on the 1st tower beginning to fall, before I or anyone else had noticed.
    When I recognized that the tower was indeed starting to go down,as bad as things had been up to this moment, that realization that it was truly beginning to fall was when it all became too much… a worse feeling then the ‘hairs standing on end’,I slowly,increasingly felt like I was in some bad dream, a sci/fi movie/ waking nightmare come true.Being here alone contributed greatly to this feeling and suddenly I didn’t want to be ‘alone’.They say that ‘radio is theater of the mind’. Normally yes, but not on this day as ‘Robin’ (Quivers) and I were watching the exact same event at the exact same moment and it felt more like she was a neighbor standing out in my kitchen commenting on what she was watching happen on the kitchen TV as I sat in my living room watching same, rather than her voice coming through a little boxed speaker, broadcast from some 200 miles away to a large, anonymous audience, who I just happened to be one of.For a few brief seconds it was like she was here -- but then the realization that if I were to walk out to the kitchen there would be nobody there -- I was still alone. A Very bizarre sensation, hard to describe. At this point I focused on Stern and crew as they were right there in mid-town Manhattan and they each had some serious decisions to make.The ‘drama’ going on there in their studio was compelling and it gave a better picture of what was going on there than any of the commentators on TV.I started thinking about my kids who, for what I knew, were already in school for the day (we’re 200 miles from NYC so no imminent danger) and I decided to call their mom (my ex) at her job to confirm this and for the chance to talk to someone I’ve known longer than anyone else on the planet other than my direct family -- even if she is my ‘ex’. My 1st words to her were ‘ya know WW III just began right ?’. No sooner than those words left my mouth, I regretted saying them as I felt they were probably an over reaction and I didn’t want her to get panicked -- just wanted to make sure she fully understand the seriousness of these events (its a ‘flaw’ of mine but I’m workin’ on it). She calmly replied ‘yup’ and that she planned on leaving work early and would see to the kids when she got back to town. I next tried to contact my family -- mom, siblings, all of whom lived in the ‘burbs of NYC. I remembered my bro-in-law worked on Wall St. Damn, wonder if he’s ok ? And it was his daughters 6th birthday too ! The lines were all down, no way of knowing.Time to get in my car and head out of town to work. I picked up Sterns show on my cars FM -- they kept me company on my drive in.The morning was exactly as it is here today weather wise. Cloudless and a brilliant blue sky. No ominous clouds, cracks of thunder or shards of lightening electrifying the air. No screaming people running out into the streets, no sirens, no screeching of tires or police on bull horns. This was the most eerie part -- just a strange,lonely stillness. Nothing seemed to be moving but me in my car.It was like the world was a plastic Lionel toy train table layout. I had no sense of the living other than the voices coming through the radio speakers as they described the events 200 miles away. No one on the streets -- where the hell is everyone ? Oh yeah, probably indoors glued to the TV like you were only minutes ago. Finally, about 5 miles down the road, I spotted a car heading my way in the north bound lane. The speed limit is 65 but he wasn’t driving anywhere near the limit. As we were on a 6 lane highway -- the opposite directions 3 lanes were separated from mine by a wide grassy meridian, this guy/car was approx. 150′ away as he passed by me. I kept my eye on him as he approached hoping to exchange a wave, a nod of the head -- anything, just some ‘sign’ of acknowledging that he and I were experiencing the same,that we’re on the same wave length, sharing the same reality. He was riding with his window down, his left elbow resting casually on the sill of his cars door. As he drew abreast of me, I eagerly waited for that turn of his head toward me -- I had a real need to connect with anther living soul right that minute. He never once looked my way.He too looked ‘fake’ behind his dark shades.Maybe he doesn’t have his radio on -- maybe he’s been on the road for 2hours, the entire time listening to ‘The Best of Sinatra’ and he doesn’t have a clue ?
    Hell, until you got the phone call, you had no clue ! How is it that theres not some great shiver,an ever expanding one like the concentric circular ripples in the water after you’ve tossed a rock in, spreading out and touching every living soul when such an enormous, simultaneous loss of life occurs like this…why does it take a phone call or a knock on the door to find out ? Like theres the reality of those who ‘know’, separate from those of us that ‘don’t know’,they add to their column of the ‘reality’ ledger phone call by phone call until we’re all ‘in the know’ column ? One moment I’m runnin’ around tryin’ to get to work on time, its of paramount importance -- where are my damned keys ! Then ‘ring’…in an instant the priorities change, my reality of a second ago now gone forever.
    What ‘column’ is that guy heading in the opposite direction from me in ? Maybe…maybe he knows something I’ve yet to find out and this is why he’s headin’ in the opposite direction from me -- I just haven’t got the damn call yet ! Stern wouldn’t know if the Indian Point Nuclear Reactor had been hit or not would he ? Hes got a signal out but maybe not a signal ‘in’ ? OK, no matter, I’ll be to work in a few minutes.I have the entire highway to myself again,the lack of traffic reminiscent of back in the early 60′s when on vacation up here with my family, up here in what was the wilderness -- the days of Saturday mornings watching re-runs of ‘The Day The Earth Stood Still” -- only now I felt like the movies fiction had come to life and I was in it ! “The twin towers are no longer standing…gone. Damn, how can this be ? I stayed there at the Hilton between those 2 giants, lived there for a week. Looked over to the north tower from the top of the south tower and now they are gone ? The people -- how many people ? Gone in an instant !”. I’m so far away from there, its too damn quiet.
    I began to wonder why the hell I was leaving town, leaving my kids behind -- who knows what might be next ? Should I do a quick u-turn and grab my kids from school ? No, I have a responsibility to my job, their mom is going to have to see to them.What if things got MUCH worse, would they forgive me for ‘abandoning’ them ? Would I forgive me ? Maybe the school has decided on an ‘early release’? OK, drop it, you have to go to work,end of story. Back to Stern and the very real drama going down in that radio studio -- he was asking his staff “Who needs to leave ? Who was experiencing real ‘panic’ ?” Stern said he was staying on the air no matter what but he understood anyone feeling they needed to get the hell off that island and he encouraged them to do so if its what their gut was telling them to do.They were not in anywhere near the danger the Police/Fire/EMTs and the workers at the WTC were in but no one knew at that moment what might come next. As I had no visual ‘feedback’ while in my car, this radio show now became ‘theater of the mind’. I could only imagine the sights and sounds as he described them from his vantage point in mid-town. I finally arrived at work -- the rest of the day spent trying to keep on task, trying to get the essential work done in between talking with coworkers and darting out to the TV so as to keep abreast of the latest news/events. By noon it appeared the danger was over, we were no longer ‘under attack’. I called home, the kids were ok. Later that evening, now back home,we all attended an impromptu candle light vigil in the park for those who had died this day, those who were yet to be accounted for. I’ll never forget John Glenns orbit ’round the earth,the Cuban Missile Crisis,JFKs assassination,the Apollo 204/Apollo 1 fire/tragedy,the day Neil Armstrong walked on the moon and the ‘Challenger’ shuttle tragedy but, maybe due to the differences in age when I experienced those events, none of them had the impact that the events of this day has had on me -- not even close…
    Just one insignificant, humble and thankful guys thoughts/remembrance of that day.
    G_d bless all the brave men and woman who gave their all that day,those that gave their lives, the families who lost their loved ones and…

    NEVER FORGET !!


  242. Food Lion
    242 | September 11, 2010 7:15 pm

    Grimcargo wrote:

    BuddyG wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    islam is a weird religious collective. Sort of a large scale Jim Jones’ People’s Temple.

    Sort of like LGF and Charlie fatback johnson. All cowards to.

    Because they’ve decided “religion” was responsible, not any specific one of course. They are all the same.

    2 Rightwingconspirator Sat, Sep 11, 2010 8:59:30am replyquote

    * 15
    * down
    * up
    * report

    A cautionary reminder for all people of faith. We must watch our own and ourselves as fanaticism comes to the unbalanced human easily.


  243. Grimcargo
    243 | September 11, 2010 7:20 pm

    Food Lion wrote:

    Grimcargo wrote:
    BuddyG wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    islam is a weird religious collective. Sort of a large scale Jim Jones’ People’s Temple.
    Sort of like LGF and Charlie fatback johnson. All cowards to.

    Because they’ve decided “religion” was responsible, not any specific one of course. They are all the same.
    2 Rightwingconspirator Sat, Sep 11, 2010 8:59:30am replyquote
    * 15

    * down

    * up

    * report
    A cautionary reminder for all people of faith. We must watch our own and ourselves as fanaticism comes to the unbalanced human easily.

    Just when you think they can’t be any dumber. These people are undeserving to even live in America.


  244. 244 | September 11, 2010 7:26 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    One of the oddities of living on the Weat Coast was that a great deal of that day occurred any many of us were completely unaware of it. While people were experiencing terror, I was reading USA today on a BART train heading to Oakland. I get off, go to the gym, get changed, head out to the treadmill, turn on the personal TV to FOX NEWS and saw the hole in the Pentagon. It took me time to catch up to what had happened that day.

    I have a friend that works in Tower Two. Her husband in Tower One. I can only imagine the heartbreak and terror of those that had loved ones in those buildings watching as the towers fell. I remember Rudy Giuliani the day he became America’s Mayor. And New York’s Finest and New York’s Bravest became our new American heroes. I don’t think any of us ever look at a firefighter the same way again.

    Yesterday, Mark Levin played the 9-1-1 calls from people in the Towers. I had to reapply my mascara. I actually have to reapply my mascara every time I think of that day. But by all means, don’t show us the true horror experienced by our fellow Amnericans that day – a horror so awful that one fireman stated “how bad must it be there, that jumping is the only alternative?”

    Or the fireman who watched Tower Two begin to fall and say “Cap – our guys are up there!!” To which the Captain responded – “Tommy, everybody’s guys are up there.”

    The next day, United Airlines, in a memorial, took a full page in major newspapers. There was one line that stuck out, and I may be paraphasing: “It was a day that the best of humanity met the worst.”

    That is the thing that gets me worst of all.


  245. 245 | September 11, 2010 7:26 pm

    Chucky gets bashed!

    Vile, pernicious, obsessed and deranged….


  246. 4_Sticks
    246 | September 11, 2010 7:27 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Ummmm, hate to burst yer alls bubble but where I live happens to be 100% ‘white’ and we have plenty of scummy white Gov’t. titty suckers here too.In fact theres a law enforcement campaign on now to bust all these welfare/unemployment benefits scammers and re claim the money they’ve cheated us honest tax payers out of.They are known in these parts as ‘white trash’ or as some call ‘em,’trailer trash’. Plenty of sex offenders too. Unreal, seems not a day goes by that one ain’t in the news. Its a ‘white’ thing too. Oh, and I forgot to mention ‘crack addicts’ by the hundreds also.


  247. 247 | September 11, 2010 7:32 pm

    Great Song!


  248. 248 | September 11, 2010 7:42 pm

    @ 4_Sticks:
    I remember thinking, at least, this will make it clear to the American people the degree of danger that we are in, and the need to take seriously the Muslim threat to our continued existence.

    Evidently, I was wrong.

    George W. Bush didn’t get it either, and Obama -- well, all I can say is that he is one of the enemy, not one of us. If GWB and the news media had refrained from whitewashing Islam in the aftermath of the attack, the non-Muslim world would be far better off today.

    It will take a lot more EDUCATION for the American people to understand the danger, and by that, I mean we have to combat all of the DISinformation that is still being promulgated.

    I believe that we are finally beginning to turn the corner, though it has been a very long, slow process.


  249. Food Lion
    249 | September 11, 2010 7:43 pm

    @ Grimcargo:

    Charles has become Kos. What a pathetic little man.


  250. 250 | September 11, 2010 7:45 pm

    @ Grimcargo:
    “Fanatical” -- in their book -- means I object to those who use “religion” as a platform to call for the wholesale slaughter of Christians, Jews, and anybody else who does not join their evil system.


  251. 251 | September 11, 2010 7:48 pm

    The 80′s kicked ass!

    :lol:


  252. 252 | September 11, 2010 7:49 pm

    4_Sticks wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Ummmm, hate to burst yer alls bubble but where I live happens to be 100% ‘white’ and we have plenty of scummy white Gov’t. titty suckers here too.In fact theres a law enforcement campaign on now to bust all these welfare/unemployment benefits scammers and re claim the money they’ve cheated us honest tax payers out of.They are known in these parts as ‘white trash’ or as some call ‘em,’trailer trash’. Plenty of sex offenders too. Unreal, seems not a day goes by that one ain’t in the news. Its a ‘white’ thing too. Oh, and I forgot to mention ‘crack addicts’ by the hundreds also.

    A lot of honest African-Americans have been put out of work by the Obamaconomy.


  253. 253 | September 11, 2010 7:49 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    America did not overreact, had America reduced Mecca to molten glass and turned Iran, Iraq Saudi, Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt and Libya to radioactive wastelands it would not have been an overreaction.

    you forgot Syria.


  254. 254 | September 11, 2010 7:50 pm

    @ Rodan:

    he needs to stick to this.


  255. 255 | September 11, 2010 7:51 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    No, no, no! That is OK. Faqnatical is saying homosexuality is a sin! If you don’t acknowledge that the homosexual act between men in the streets of San Franscisco is the most beautiful thing about this country, you are a religious fanatic, and should be burned at the stake!


  256. 256 | September 11, 2010 7:52 pm

    Hey we have a new thread below.


  257. 257 | September 11, 2010 7:54 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Lots of people out of work thanks to the Obameconomy. He’s on track to erase all the gains of the last 50 years.

    The number of people in the U.S. who are in poverty is on track for a record increase on President Obama’s watch, with the ranks of working-age poor approaching 1960s levels that led to the national war on poverty.

    He’s got two more years to destroy this country. You know he’ll do his level best to get it all done by 2012…


  258. 258 | September 11, 2010 7:59 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    And I’m kind of old to get into that field, anyway.

    Oldest graduate from the academy was 58 but I understand. When we sold the ranch I had to start over at 40.


  259. 259 | September 11, 2010 8:00 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    If you ever see that “as it happens” documentary by the French brothers who were making a documentary about being a rookie in the FDNY and by happenstance probably have the only footage of the plane hitting World One, the most haunting and unbearable sound is the footable of the command post in the lobby of World One, where you hear the sound of people jumping from the upper floors when the hit the glass of the entranceway. Every time you hear that sound, it’s a stab in your heart.

    But we can’t see the video of these people jumping to their deaths, because that would “upset people.” Maybe its about time that the complacent assholes who think this is over should get a load of reality shoved in their faces.

    Starting with the despicable owner of a blog who apparently has forgotten now that it is no longer economically or politically feasible to remember.

    In other words, FUCJ


  260. 260 | September 11, 2010 8:03 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    We’d burn a lot more than Korans if it were really put out there. Note that it isn’t the Mohammedans hiding it. They are proud of their acrtions arnd are downright provocative in their posture. No it is our erstwhile “leaders” who have decided to keep the hard truth from us so that we can be lulled by the “Islam is Peace” mantra. Islam isn’t peace. Islam is slavery.


  261. 261 | September 11, 2010 8:03 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ savages_girl:

    Is that why you were kind of bummin’ yesterday?

    You are really “barred”?

    Yup. I’m officially forbidden from going on active duty for any purpose, because I’m too close to becoming eligible for active duty retirement pay.

    That’s evil.

    Are there any lawyers who could advise you?


  262. 262 | September 11, 2010 8:05 pm

    @ mjazz:
    Damn.


  263. Lost
    263 | September 11, 2010 8:05 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ 1389AD:

    If you ever see that “as it happens” documentary by the French brothers who were making a documentary about being a rookie in the FDNY and by happenstance probably have the only footage of the plane hitting World One, the most haunting and unbearable sound is the footable of the command post in the lobby of World One, where you hear the sound of people jumping from the upper floors when the hit the glass of the entranceway. Every time you hear that sound, it’s a stab in your heart.

    But we can’t see the video of these people jumping to their deaths, because that would “upset people.” Maybe its about time that the complacent assholes who think this is over should get a load of reality shoved in their faces.

    Starting with the despicable owner of a blog who apparently has forgotten now that it is no longer economically or politically feasible to remember.

    In other words, FUCJ

    I could hug you for that comment!
    {Carolina Girl}


  264. 4_Sticks
    264 | September 11, 2010 8:06 pm

    Should any one be interested, ‘White Heat’ is just starting on TCM !

    Love IT !!


  265. 265 | September 11, 2010 8:07 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    PEOPLE NEED TO BE UPSET.

    If people aren’t upset, they won’t get rid of the dhimmis, Quislings, and actual jihadis in our government, media, academia, think tanks, NGOs, etc. etc. etc.

    All of them need to LEAVE.

    And I mean leave American soil FOREVER (unless they prefer to be buried under it in an unmarked grave).


  266. 266 | September 11, 2010 8:15 pm

    Palestinians celebrating the fall of the Twin Towers on 9-11

    Know your enemy.


  267. 267 | September 11, 2010 8:22 pm

    Food Lion wrote:

    @ Grimcargo:

    Charles has become Kos. What a pathetic little man.

    Little?


  268. 268 | September 11, 2010 8:24 pm

    @ Food Lion:

    Little?


  269. 269 | September 11, 2010 8:27 pm

    @ Lost:

    Right back at ya.

    @ 1389AD:

    Those apeasement “COEXIST” bumper sticker jerks will be the first ones to wonder what happens when they’re outdoors at the Starbucks and a Splodeydope asshole decides it’s time for his 72 white raisins.


  270. 270 | September 11, 2010 8:27 pm

    @ Rodan:

    As long as y’all got yer Muslim hate hats on, this is kind of amusing. From Soylent Green:

    So I went to Books-a-Million, looking for a Koran for tomorrow’s party. I looked through the “Religion” section, without success. Then circumnavigated the store, but had no luck. Eventually I went to the customer service desk, where a mid-20′s, deadlocked, scraggle-bearded, hippy-t-shirt-wearing black dude asked if he could help me. I asked if the store had a religion section, because the area that was labeled “Religion” was in actuality a “Christian” section. I could see that he was too confused to answer, so I cut to the chase and said I was looking for a Koran.

    His eyes lit up. Either he decided I was a fellow traveler, or he had suddenly been handed a problem simple enough to be within his ability to solve. Either way, he cheerfully led me to a shelf, babbling about how he was pretty sure they had one or two copies.

    When we got to the correct shelf, there was, indeed, a single hard-cover copy of the Koran. We both immediately noticed some slight damage to the spine of the dust cover, for which he began to apologize. He pulled it off the shelf, and stopped in horror as he saw that someone had, quite obviously and deliberately, cut a large X across the front of the book, through the dust cover and well into the hard cover itself.

    (With palpable shock in his voice):”Someone…someone committed a hate crime…in my store…I don’t believe this…”

    I gently took the book from his hands, put on my most reassuring face, and calmly said, “That’s ok. I don’t mind…..”

    I paused just long enough to give him the wrong idea, and finished with

    “…..I was only planning to burn it tomorrow anyway.”

    If he looked shocked before, now he was dumbfounded. Two serious blows to his psyche in under 30 seconds was taking it’s toll.

    “But…but, you can’t do that!”

    “Why not?” I replied.

    “Because that’s extremely offensive to Muslims!”

    And, mainly due to his desperate and pleading tone, I suddenly realized this man was trying to save my soul. Whether he was a Muslim, or just a self-loathing dhimmi lib-tard, it didn’t matter. He thinks I need salvation, and he’s trying to help me.

    Hilarious. I couldn’t resist another smack-down.

    “I’m sure it is. But do you know what *I* find offensive? People who fly planes into fucking buildings.”

    And I turned, book in hand, and walked to the register. He followed me the entire way, trying to start a conversation, presumably so that he could talk me out of my horrible plan. Fortunately, there was no one in line, so I walked directly to the check-out girl, and she began to ring me up. He tried one last time to stop me. Puffing himself up, he said:

    “I don’t think I can let you buy that book.”

    Seriously. He said that. No foolin’.

    Raising my voice, I replied, “Excuse me, but are you *refusing* to sell me a book, for any reason? If not, I don’t think we have anything further to talk about.”

    He then did an almost perfect impression of a cockroach suddenly exposed to the light – he instantly went from puffed-up to folding in on himself, looked around guiltily, and scuttled off.


  271. 271 | September 11, 2010 8:31 pm

    @ Bunk X:
    Evidence.


  272. 272 | September 11, 2010 8:40 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Palestinians celebrating the fall of the Twin Towers on 9-11

    Know your enemy.

    Did others beside Fox show that?


  273. 273 | September 11, 2010 8:43 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    1389AD wrote:

    Palestinians celebrating the fall of the Twin Towers on 9-11

    Know your enemy.

    Did others beside Fox show that?

    Dunno, but I doubt it.


  274. lobo91
    274 | September 11, 2010 8:49 pm

    4_Sticks wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Ummmm, hate to burst yer alls bubble but where I live happens to be 100% ‘white’ and we have plenty of scummy white Gov’t. titty suckers here too.In fact theres a law enforcement campaign on now to bust all these welfare/unemployment benefits scammers and re claim the money they’ve cheated us honest tax payers out of.They are known in these parts as ‘white trash’ or as some call ‘em,’trailer trash’. Plenty of sex offenders too. Unreal, seems not a day goes by that one ain’t in the news. Its a ‘white’ thing too. Oh, and I forgot to mention ‘crack addicts’ by the hundreds also.

    Those weren’t the people we were talking about.

    We were talking about the massive expansion of the federal workforce.

    I have an MPA, 30 years of military experience, and get veterans’ preference, and I can’t even get an interview.

    I’m clearly unqualified, being a white male citizen.


  275. Macker
    275 | September 11, 2010 8:50 pm

    I was at work on that fateful day for about a half-hour when word of the attack came down by way of word of mouth. The net was frozen, and no one was able to access it and no one could get any work done for the entire day. Most of us were just sitting around trying to make sense of it all. After noon our bosses just told everyone to go home, and so I did.
    When I got home I turned it onto CBS and watched Dan Rather warning everyone about the graphic footage and language. Yes, I heard the lady screaming “Jesus F***ing Christ!” and it was NOT censored. The first and only words out of my mouth were YOU SONS OF BITCHES! After that I didn’t say much for the next couple of days or so, I was as stunned as everyone else.


  276. 276 | September 11, 2010 9:02 pm

    I had the day off from work, so I had slept in and caught it later on an automotive message board. Then I turned on the news and saw the replays and followed all the developments.

    It took a little while for me to take in all the visuals. I kinda figured that one of those zealots would do something dramatic eventually, but I never would have guessed the hijack plane and use it as a missle tactic. The bastards caught us with our fly open.


  277. 277 | September 11, 2010 9:05 pm

    or I think “pants down” was the expression I was looking for…


  278. 278 | September 11, 2010 9:27 pm

    Geert Wilders’ speech at 9-11 gathering


  279. The Osprey
    279 | September 11, 2010 9:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Chucky gets bashed!

    Vile, pernicious, obsessed and deranged….

    LOL. Sheik Yermami hates Chuckles with a passion. He’s an Aussie who has spent a lot of time in the MidEast and has seen the Muzz up close and personal.


  280. 4_Sticks
    280 | September 11, 2010 9:46 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    I dunno, maybe I read it wrong…I did go back and read it at least 3 times over -- figuring I had to be missing something. The way I read that post was that only minorities (non white) collect from the Gov’t. I find it hard -- almost impossible to believe any one here could think this. I also noticed no other protests to that addition to Fists post by Dorrian. What am I missing ? I REALLY don’t want to think this is what was meant…I very badly don’t want to think this was what was meant !! I was called a ‘racist’ over at the swamp which pissed me off to no end because I’m anything but. I don’t wanna hang with ‘em either. I’m no ‘pc’ bleeding heart but whats wrong is wrong and I want no part of it. I’m aware that the rules here allow people to speak their mind with out fear of being booted.
    I like that. But we’re responsible for what we say and there are other ramifications for what we say -- like being called out on it.
    Since I seem to be the only one who had a problem with that ‘addition’ theres only 2 possibilities -- I’m dense as hell (a distinct possibility) and I’m ‘missin’ something’ or everyone that
    has read that post is cool with it. I’d rather it be the former than the latter actually as I like it here. Help me out here if you’d be so kind…

    * And I’m readin’ and a postin’ here with one eye/ear on the TCM
    8 o’clock movie ‘White Heat’ so I might not be with the program, my apologies if I’m way off base.


  281. 281 | September 11, 2010 9:51 pm

    Texas Fred: Obama commemorates 9/11 with appeal for tolerance

    Fred lets Obozo have it with both barrels.


  282. 4_Sticks
    282 | September 11, 2010 9:54 pm

    @ 4_Sticks:

    Although Virginia Mayo would have been 90 this November (I’d rather not think about that), in this movie she gets me heart a racin’, my brain all twitterpaited. Yowza !! Yum-yum. Yeah, I’m ‘distracted’.


  283. lobo91
    283 | September 11, 2010 10:06 pm

    @ 4_Sticks:

    I dunno, maybe I read it wrong…I did go back and read it at least 3 times over – figuring I had to be missing something. The way I read that post was that only minorities (non white) collect from the Gov’t. I find it hard – almost impossible to believe any one here could think this. I also noticed no other protests to that addition to Fists post by Dorrian. What am I missing ? I REALLY don’t want to think this is what was meant…I very badly don’t want to think this was what was meant

    As I already said, we weren’t talking about welfare leeches. I’m well aware of the fact that there are more whites than minorities on welfare. That stands to reason, given the numbers involved.

    We were talking about the expansion of the federal workforce, which has been overwhelmingly concentrated in the DC area.

    And as someone who’s been trying to get a federal job off and on for the past decade, I can tell you that it’s next to impossible for a white male US citizen to get hired.

    There was no racism involved in those comments. They were simply an expression of facts.


  284. 284 | September 11, 2010 10:06 pm

    4_Sticks wrote:

    @ 1389AD:

    Since I seem to be the only one who had a problem with that ‘addition’ theres only 2 possibilities – I’m dense as hell (a distinct possibility) and I’m ‘missin’ something’ or everyone that has read that post is cool with it. I’d rather it be the former than the latter actually as I like it here. Help me out here if you’d be so kind…

    A lot of idiotic comments here go by the wayside. There are a few posters here that don’t understand how bigoted some of their comments are. They are in the minority, though, and they don’t represent the opinions of the admins or most of the rest of us.

    The “All [fill in group of people] are evil” meme is offensive regardless of what side of the political spectrum you plant your flag.

    Most of the posters here are on the same page, but that doesn’t mean all of us agree 100% with each other, nor do all of us endorse the comments of the handful of bigots.


  285. The Osprey
    285 | September 11, 2010 10:08 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Fantastic! Geert Wilders is the Sobieski of our day, uniting the West against Islam.


  286. Macker
    286 | September 11, 2010 10:13 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    I guess I have only one barrel’s worth. 8)


  287. 287 | September 11, 2010 10:32 pm

    Greetings friends,

    Well, I was there today downtown. My report is getting there. Still more video and photos to upload, but if anyone wants a peek. ..


  288. 288 | September 11, 2010 10:42 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Geert Wilders’ speech at 9-11 gathering

    Geert was great today. There were tons of people. I think Geraldo just said on FOX that there were only 1500! What a lie. He wasn’t even there. There were thousands.


  289. mjazz
    289 | September 11, 2010 10:43 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    Let’s tolerate Charlie Manson’s religious beliefs/


  290. lobo91
    290 | September 11, 2010 10:55 pm

    mjazz wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    Let’s tolerate Charlie Manson’s religious beliefs/

    I’m surprised the La Raza crowd isn’t pushing to be allowed to practice human sacrifice, like the Aztecs…


  291. 291 | September 11, 2010 10:57 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    mjazz wrote:
    @ 1389AD:
    Let’s tolerate Charlie Manson’s religious beliefs/
    I’m surprised the La Raza crowd isn’t pushing to be allowed to practice human sacrifice, like the Aztecs…

    give ‘em time. eventually i think they just might.


  292. 292 | September 11, 2010 11:03 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    mjazz wrote:
    @ 1389AD:
    Let’s tolerate Charlie Manson’s religious beliefs/
    I’m surprised the La Raza crowd isn’t pushing to be allowed to practice human sacrifice, like the Aztecs…

    give ‘em time. eventually i think they just might.

    Guess which humans they’ll want to pick.

    :evil:

    And guess who will fight back.

    :twisted:


  293. 293 | September 11, 2010 11:13 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    1389AD wrote:

    Geert Wilders’ speech at 9-11 gathering

    Geert was great today. There were tons of people. I think Geraldo just said on FOX that there were only 1500! What a lie. He wasn’t even there. There were thousands.

    Is Fox partly Muslim-owned these days?

    Petrodollars…


  294. livefreeor die
    294 | September 11, 2010 11:21 pm

    @ mfhorn:
    I just read this poem/lyrics. It broke through the numbness of this day and brought me to tears but also brought me a sense of peace. Thank you for posting this.


  295. 4_Sticks
    295 | September 11, 2010 11:40 pm

    @ Bunk X:

    Sorry I didn’t respond right away. I didn’t realize there was a Bogart flick directly after the Cagney one I had been watching -- I got distracted, forgot I even left a post hanging out there (here) !

    Lobo -- I feel/felt your pain. I went through similar in the 70′s. I come from a line of State Troopers, my brother and I both grew up patiently awaiting the day we’d be old enough to take the ‘test’ so as to follow in our dads/uncles foot steps. When I became ‘of age’,
    I was told not to even waste my time, I didn’t have a chance unless I could convince ‘em I was a female or a minority. Hey, thats what I was told :-) My dad was disgusted by the changes in these hiring practices and retired as soon as he could. He assured me I was better off finding another line of work -- so I did.
    I’m glad you all took the time to respond and clear this matter up for me, not that you had any obligation to do so. I wasn’t feeling real good for awhile here. I drown my sorrows in film noir !


  296. gtdragon
    296 | September 11, 2010 11:51 pm

    I know I am late, and the thread is OT, and I am new, and I…but this is the first chance today to sit and think, if even for a minute.
    I was working on a flagstone walk in Paoli, PA, with one laborer. I am not a fan of commercials so, back then, I listened to 88.5 (that weirdo station as my kids still call it). A song ended, the dj came on and announced that word had come down that a plane had hit the World Trade Center; I immediately looked at the sky, we were only 2 hours away by car, it was clear. My mind went right to purposeful, although I was thinking piper cub, suicide type thing. Back to music, back to the walkway. The homeowner stepped out and asked if we had heard about the plane, I said yes, that it was odd, and she agreed and went back inside. Top of the hour news started early to report the crash in New York City, this time with a bigger plane reported, then, another song must have started at about 9:02. That song was interrupted by the report of the second plane and out came the homeowner again, this time close to tears, you see, her husband worked on Wall Street, he would normally have been close, but was at the Malvern office that day. She was distraught, shaken, and managed to spook my non-english speaking laborer. Still thinking this was small planes and now thinking along the lines of terrorism, we went back to work and she went inside. When the first tower fell, she came back out, full tears this time, needing a hug, and asking us to come in a sit with her. We did; we watched the second tower fall, listened to reports of planes crashing in PA, in DC, and the sporadic bomb reports that peppered the news that day.
    Eventually we went back to work, her husband was coming home, no market work, and we did have a sidewalk to build. As we shook up the hardening mortar, the laborer asked, “Guerra?” I replied, “Si.”


  297. lobo91
    297 | September 12, 2010 12:02 am

    @ 4_Sticks:

    My first experience with that was when I applied for the Border Patrol.

    I scored a 98 on the test, and I get a 5 point veterans’ preference (combat service, but not wounded). That gives me the equivalent of 103 out of 100.

    I didn’t even get an interview.

    When I was finishing up my masters degree, I applied for the Presidential Management Intern program. In that program, you get hired as a GS-9 for the first year, then they make you a GS-11 the second year. At the end of the 2 year program, you’re eligible to be hired on a permanent basis as a GS-12. Basically, it’s a fast-track federal management trainee program.

    I was selected as a finalist. All I needed was an agency to hire me.

    I didn’t get so much as a response letter from any agency I applied to.


  298. 298 | September 12, 2010 12:16 am

    @ gtdragon:
    Good to see you here!

    Welcome to Blogmocracy!


  299. 299 | September 12, 2010 12:18 am

    @ lobo91:
    Age discrimination?


  300. lobo91
    300 | September 12, 2010 12:29 am

    1389AD wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Age discrimination?

    I don’t think they had anything that indicated my age.

    They did have the demographic forms, though, that showed that I was a non-Hispanic white male.

    In the first instance, I was only 30, anyway. I was 41 for the second one.


  301. gtdragon
    301 | September 12, 2010 12:39 am

    @ 1389AD:

    Thanks, been reading for a few weeks, testing the waters so to speak!


  302. swamprat
    302 | September 12, 2010 12:39 am

    @ gtdragon:
    Welcome gtdragon!

    Thanks for posting that. I look forward to more of your comments.


  303. Lost
    303 | September 12, 2010 12:51 am

    @ gtdragon:
    Welcome!
    Come down to the ONT. That’s where its all happening!


  304. 304 | September 12, 2010 1:16 am

    @ Lost:
    Overnight thread -- click here


  305. 305 | September 12, 2010 1:30 am

    I know my post is coming at the end of the day, but I would like to share my memories of the day that change all of our lives.

    I was in my senior year of high school. It was second period, and due to scheduling conflicts I had to take my band class during that period. The second period band class was for beginners and so I was responsible for my own lessons. Sitting in a private practice room, the announcement came over the speakers that a plane had struck the Trade Center. I thought to myself, “Gee, that pilot had to have been an idiot. How do you hit a building so large?” I continued practicing and before the end of the period the announcement came across that the other tower and the Pentagon had been hit. It was at that exact moment that I knew we would be going to war. My heart sank. I had never really known war. The only one I had lived through was Desert Storm, and that wasn’t the same as this. The halls were full of tension and a heavy sense of dread. The rest of my classes that day, and really for the next three days, were not focused on regular lessons, but discussions on the events that happened. The best class I had was my level 4 German class. Our teacher was excellent and he liked to allow us the chance to hash things out in a way most other teachers would feel uncomfortable with. I, being a bit of an “extremist”, thought that we should spare no avenue for retaliation. Most other kids had the lets not be to harsh attitude. I was pissed. This was my generations Pearl Harbor, but worse. The Japenese had the decency to hit a military target. These barbarians had to hit areas with a high amount of civilians. I watched the news footage at home later, and I cried. I still cry everytime I hear one of those gut-wrenching phone calls to loved ones. I still cry when I see people jump to their death rather than burn. This is one of the most defining moments in human history. It is our duty to preserve the memory of this trajedy and make sure that the world is a better place going forward. Thank you for letting me share my memories of that day.

    /As a side note, I think that 9/11 should be a Federal Holiday. There is a group on Facebook that is trying to make that happen. If you have an account you should look them up.


  306. Ma Sands
    306 | September 12, 2010 2:12 am

    My contribution to the memory of the sad day…….it is still 9/11/’10 on the west coast…..

    But, this is to show that the death toll is still mounting….. ):

    Nine years after 9/11, 900 responders are dead
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhVQ5lbzwCQ


  307. 307 | September 12, 2010 2:57 am

    THIS is what Islam is all about.

    WARNING…horrific photo…

    The Martyrs of Otranto


  308. 308 | September 12, 2010 3:01 am

    @ gtdragon:

    Welcome aboard! Nice to have you.

    I’m one of the admins.


  309. eaglesoars
    309 | September 12, 2010 6:06 am

    hello everyone! This has to be a driveby -- I’m having eyesight issues (again! the corneal erosion thing) but wanted to pass this essay on.

    Dead US soldiers, like the Constitution, are only of interest when they’re a handy talking point. If dead US soldiers were of interest to the media or General Petraeus, perhaps there might be some interest in just how many US soldiers have died in Afghanistan because they were denied proper aerial support or the right to fire on their assailants under McChrystal and Petraeus’s Rules of Engagement, which put the focus on appeasing Muslims, over the lives of American boys on the front line.

    But like the Constitution, the bodies of American soldiers must burn, in the name of Muslim sensitivities.

    This guy pulls no punches


  310. Speranza
    310 | September 12, 2010 7:34 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    I hope that your eyesight issues get taken care of. Keep us posted.


  311. Grimcargo
    311 | September 12, 2010 7:35 am

    Bunk X wrote:

    4_Sticks wrote:
    @ 1389AD:
    Since I seem to be the only one who had a problem with that ‘addition’ theres only 2 possibilities – I’m dense as hell (a distinct possibility) and I’m ‘missin’ something’ or everyone that has read that post is cool with it. I’d rather it be the former than the latter actually as I like it here. Help me out here if you’d be so kind…
    A lot of idiotic comments here go by the wayside. There are a few posters here that don’t understand how bigoted some of their comments are. They are in the minority, though, and they don’t represent the opinions of the admins or most of the rest of us.
    The “All [fill in group of people] are evil” meme is offensive regardless of what side of the political spectrum you plant your flag.
    Most of the posters here are on the same page, but that doesn’t mean all of us agree 100% with each other, nor do all of us endorse the comments of the handful of bigots.

    It’d be good and transparent if you would name the handful of bigots.So that the non bigots would know once and for all.


  312. texasam7
    312 | September 12, 2010 8:33 am

    @ PaladinPhil:
    What Phil said. “Never forgive, never forget.”


  313. texasam7
    313 | September 12, 2010 8:47 am

    @ ornery elephant:
    We’re flying to the U.K. today for a two week holiday. We’re onlying stopping in London for a connection to Glasgow, so I’ll have to check the news to see if they haven’t dropped it into the fourth dimension or somewhere.


  314. 314 | September 12, 2010 9:20 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    hello everyone! This has to be a driveby – I’m having eyesight issues (again! the corneal erosion thing) but wanted to pass this essay on.
    Dead US soldiers, like the Constitution, are only of interest when they’re a handy talking point. If dead US soldiers were of interest to the media or General Petraeus, perhaps there might be some interest in just how many US soldiers have died in Afghanistan because they were denied proper aerial support or the right to fire on their assailants under McChrystal and Petraeus’s Rules of Engagement, which put the focus on appeasing Muslims, over the lives of American boys on the front line.
    But like the Constitution, the bodies of American soldiers must burn, in the name of Muslim sensitivities.
    This guy pulls no punches

    And if some Muslim either at home or abroad commits some evil and uses the excuse that he is “offended” about the Koran being burned, the proper response is to take our gloves off and to strike back HARD at the perpetrator and at everyone who has been aiding and abetting the perpetrator.

    SINCE WHEN do we go around being afraid of offending our avowed ENEMIES who have already declared WAR against us? That’s what a fatwa against us is -- it is both a declaration of war and an enemy mobilization order!

    :twisted:

    I am just furious beyond words.


  315. 315 | September 12, 2010 10:24 am

    I was in Wheeling WVa, had been recently married, and was working on the first project for my new general contracting business. My wife called me right before nine to tell me that a plane had flown into the WTC. I went to the basement of the one hundred year old shingle style victorian that I was blowing the back out for a new kitchen/family/garage addition and turned on the customers TV. I saw the tower and its wound and told my wife that it was no accident. She said that the news was still speculating over if it was an errant civil aviation accident. I told her, no way was that kind of damage from a small plane, and that it was a terror incident. She asked if it was Arafat. I told her, no way, they have nothing to gain by that these days, and in the past they would normally strike something with a hard connection to Israel. I told her it was the same group people who had struck the tower in 1993, a coalition lead by a cleric and son of a Saudi construction magnate. How would have a mere general contractor in small town of the Ohio Valley, a deep unremarkable recess of ‘flyover country’, have such expectations, and come to such a conclusion of certitude so quickly?

    Since I had been a child I had an interest in global politik, the maneuvers and machinations of governments and interest groups as they vied for influence over one another and the resources needed to accomplish and preserve self interests, I believe the polite term for this is International Relations. I still have a paper from an eleventh grade (1977) history class on Israel’s Foreign Policy, which is an exhibit of how early on I was engaged as an amateur observer of the region. Even though I was one of many people who day to day parsed information sources for meaning and direction in global affairs, I always remained an amateur and never entered the professional class of analysts as was my desire as an adolescent. Even after college and an undergrad degree in political economy, I did not ultimately pursue that career. Among several reasons being my rearing among the mid to upper level career bureaucrats and military service officers in Washington D.C., and my general distrust of them from both personal interactions, and summations on their character and motives from my once Naval CPO father, and then current small business owner catering to some of the logistical needs of their agencies and offices. My critical eye for seeing through the fog of careerism, abject self interest, and base human nature detached from avowed moral principals that prevails in those higher echelons of public service, was later expanded to the lauded halls of the corporate world while working as a clerk in multinational oil companies Office of Corporate Counsel. This later experience in and around the halls of influence and control occurred as I took a break in my education, and was choosing whether being an attorney or a foreign service worker was to be in my future; neither of which appealed much to both my stomach or heart by then from my cumulative experiences among the nomenklatura as both a child and young adult. In 1983 I began to work in construction trades, hoping I would be content as a ‘simple man’ who’s mind to not have to be weighted with the affairs of kings as their constant mental and emotional demands made me weary and not happy or satisfied in the least. In short the more I learned how corrupted things were the less I wanted to do with them out of conscious, and felt from a rational assessment to be helpless to contribute change from within such a leviathan. Nevertheless, I never did completely turn away and all through my future as a hardhat, was still an avid follower and reader of events of consequence for nations, and subscribed to several publications in my areas of geopolitical interests.

    Back to September 11, 2001, my perception and experiences of that day, and why I formed and observed them as I did. I had been to NYC in October of 2000 for a CLE seminar with my soon to be wife. This was my first time in the city with enough time on my hands to be a tourist, and during the five days we were there, I visited both the Empire State and the World Trade Center. The ESB at the time had a multimedia experience called ‘Flying New York’ or something to that effect, where you sat in an IMAX type theater and ‘flew’ around the city on a tour. In It you flew at, around, or over the WTC (I can’t recall the fligh path precisely). Now, included in the buildings’ historical displays chronicles at the time, was an item about the bomber that hit it during transit during WWII. Now, during this theater experience, my crazy hyper-analytical cynical mind went, wow I wonder how the WTC or ESB would handle a strike from a modern commercial airliner. Later in the day I went to observe and photograph a Pali protest near the Israeli Consulate. I hadn’t been around any of them since 1994 when I left Israel at the time of the optimistic outset of the Oslo Accords. I had forgotten what a terrible bunch they could be when they weren’t getting their way, and while walking away from the protest after being jostled constantly and having my camera struck from my hands, I had another inspirational flash. My question from the theater about airplanes striking buildings, and the just having again experienced unrestrained emotional savagery of Muslims for the first time in over six years, coalesced into thoughts about when they would come unhinged next and how, then the WTC attack of 1993 and the promises made by Ramsi Yousef along with news a few years back about his and Mullah Omar’s plot to hijack and blow up planes over the Pacific Ocean sent a chill through me as I realized what could be in store next. The more I thought about it the more I discounted it, I mean after all, surely if I, a general construction PM from the interior, could imagine such a scenario, our intelligence services could too, and would use all of the powers of their agencies to set trip wires that would alert them to if such a plot was in the works, right? Therefore, I just had to comfort my self that such a logistically complex operation that would expose them at many turns had no chance in succeeding, and that they would be swept up quietly before they could strike. When I saw the first plane on the news I was surprised, not suprised that it had happen in such a world I knew as ours (I expected something soon, and honestly expected a small nuke or bio agent) but that it was able to occur with all of the people charged to identify and interdict such a, to me, obvious and simple threat.

    I didn’t realized BJ Clinton had compromised us so greatly when he wrote out interaction between foreign intelligence services and domestic law enforcement, and there lays the greatest crime of September 11, 2001. That and the people and ideas such as he and our current president harbor as cohorts, people who’s mission is not the security and liberty of this country and its peoples, but their own consolidation of power for the enrichment of those who are like minded in their feudal outlook on civilization. Islam is what it is, it is the nature of their system of belief, and what they do in the name of their mission should be expected. What should not be countenanced is that they be allowed to succeed in their dark objectives readily, and that we should have such men among us in all of our public institutions that feed the ravenous nature of the Islamic Beast as a vehicle for their own political ascendancy and dominion.

    In closing

    God rest the Souls of our fallen countryman on that day, and those of subsequent days given while battling these captured souls. Look over us, protect us, and guide us, and find a place for those of us in your Eternal Kingdom who fall in future service, as we peruse justice in the continuing advancement of a Just Civilization on all fronts foreign and domestic.


  316. 316 | September 12, 2010 10:39 am

    @ Scott Madsen:
    Dang, that was clumsy in a few spots, I should have printed it and proofed it better.

    Sorry to strain y’all.


  317. huckfunn
    317 | September 12, 2010 10:58 am

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    God rest the Souls of our fallen countryman on that day, and those of subsequent days given while battling these captured souls. Look over us, protect us, and guide us, and find a place for those of us in your Eternal Kingdom who fall in future service, as we peruse justice in the continuing advancement of a Just Civilization on all fronts foreign and domestic.

    Amen! Great right up and thanks for sharing.


  318. huckfunn
    318 | September 12, 2010 11:04 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    Amen! Great right write-up and thanks for sharing.

    PIMF!


  319. 319 | September 12, 2010 11:17 am

    @ huckfunn:

    Thanks, I wish I had tried to get my thougts out yesterday, and posted a clearer less garbled post, instead of rushing to the keyboard with a hangover like some neophyte reporter pissing hiself while meeting a deadline.


  320. 320 | September 12, 2010 11:27 am

    @ linoleumknife:

    /As a side note, I think that 9/11 should be a Federal Holiday. There is a group on Facebook that is trying to make that happen. If you have an account you should look them up.

    Sounds good, let’s toss parochial partisan labor day to the rubbish pile of history and replace with something of universal importance like confronting evil.


  321. 321 | September 12, 2010 1:27 pm

    @ Scott Madsen:
    Very well said. Thank you.


  322. 322 | September 12, 2010 1:43 pm

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    @ linoleumknife:
    /As a side note, I think that 9/11 should be a Federal Holiday. There is a group on Facebook that is trying to make that happen. If you have an account you should look them up.
    Sounds good, let’s toss parochial partisan labor day to the rubbish pile of history and replace with something of universal importance like confronting evil.

    I do not have Facebook and have my own security-related reasons for not participating on Facebook.

    However, I’m on board with your idea. One or both of you could research it further and make a thread out of it to publicize it further.

    There is nothing so vitally important as telling our enemies that the American public has finally learned to take threats seriously.


  323. m
    323 | September 12, 2010 2:25 pm

    From Rides a Pale Horse:


  324. 324 | September 12, 2010 3:37 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    you can be on facebook without providing one iota of accurate information.


  325. 325 | September 12, 2010 5:13 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    you can be on facebook without providing one iota of accurate information.

    There have been some strange security leaks on FB that could result in somebody’s whereabouts being identified. I hear what you’re saying about not providing accurate info, but I am not the type of person who would enjoy making up and working with an artificial persona. Acting isn’t my shtick.

    I also am currently at the ragged edge of my resources (energy, time, money) and cannot undertake anything else in the blogosphere besides what I am already doing. Right now I’m just trying to deal with some health issues and hang on to this part-time job and make it to November in one piece.


  326. 326 | September 12, 2010 7:50 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    all i meant was that you could be 1389AD on FB as well.


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