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Today, we give the lecture and collect some history. Where were you and what were you doing when these events were occurring?
A simple Time line of events on 11 September 2001 to remind us:
0846- American Airlines Flight 11 strikes the North Tower (WTC 1) of the World Trade Center in NYC
0903- United Airlines Flight 175 strikes the South Tower (WTC 2) of the World Trade Center in NYC
0926- The FAA halts domestic takeoffs in US airspace and halts all takeoffs overseas of planes headed to the US.
0937- American Airlines Flight 77 strikes the Pentagon in Washington DC
0940- The FAA orders all US airport operations to cease, and orders all in-flight aircraft to land at the nearest suitable airport.
0949- Pittsburgh International Airport flight tower is evacuated, Pittsburgh’s Mayor Tom Murphy has already ordered the evacuation of downtown’s skyscrapers as United Flight 93 is hijacked and inbound.
0959- The South Tower (WTC 2) collapses.
1003- United Airlines Flight 93 crashes near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, 80 miles southeast of Pittsburgh.
1028- The South Tower (WTC 2) collapses.
1045- All federal office buildings in Washington D. C. are evacuated, workers are ordered home.
1050- The 5 story area impacted at the Pentagon collapses.
1100- Giuliani tells New Yorkers to stay at home. He then orders an evacuation of Manhattan south of Canal Street
1202- The Taliban government of Afghanistan denounces the attacks.
1702- World Trade Center Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper, collapses.
I saw the whole thing (at the least the first plane hit) while I was going to work in Manhattan that morning.
On 9/11, I was working at an aviation insurance office. Our day had just started, and we watched, stunned, as the Flight 175 struck the south tower. Most of the day was spent kind of in a daze.
This is one of the most moving things I’ve heard.
I was at work when 9-11 started. The first we heard, our sales guy came back into the office and said a bomb had gone off in the World Trade Center. I said “Cool.” I figured we’d see ho a Republican handled this, since I had been so thoroughly disappointed in the Clinton Administration (Clinton would burn 80 men, women, and children alive for violating gun control laws, but he would allow Mohammedan Terrorists to damn near sink an American warship without answer. I had a lot to be disappointed in Clinton over).
We got on the internet, and quickly learned that it was more than just a terrorist bombing. My boss’ wife brought in a little TV. We watched live as the Towers collapsed. I had it picked that it was Osama Bin Laden and his Merry Men within 30 minutes of the first plane hitting.
My desired response: thermonuclear armageddon. I think subsequent history has born out that that would have been the proper response. We should have hit Afghanistan hard after they refused to turn over al Qaeda. It is that simple. It would hav e solved a lot of the continuing roblems that we are having. Iran would not be seeking atomic weapons. No one would be wanting to build a Victory Mosque at Ground Zero.
I was busy in my office working on something or other and wondered why i was getting no calls but was thankful that there were no distractions. after a couple of hours I walked into the street to get some fresh air and a bite to eat and was struck by the absolute stillness. I’ll never forget that stillness.
A stranger, his face ashen behind a red and grey beard approached me and said, “It’s some college kids doing a media project, right? These planes flying into buildings.”
My first though was that some kids had flown a Cessna into some building somewhere but I did not want to be button-holed by a crazy man so I went into a store to buy some breakfast and there on the screen was the absolute horror of it all.
@ Iron Fist:
Well, I wish we’d gone with vaporizing pretty much the entire Middle East. Iran. Iraq. Saudi Arabia. Pakistan. Afghanistan. Libya.
We keep hearing that ‘America is not at war with Islam’, but it seems that Islam is at war with not just the US, but with the entire civilized world.
I wrote up a memorial on my blog yesterday. I was at work already before the first plane hit. Several years later I met some people here in Arizona who had been directly and personally affected. My memorial is to a friends brother and lifelong best friend. I will NEVER FORGET.
http://kirls.blogspot.com/2010/09/memorial-9-11.html
@ mfhorn:
Islam has been at war with the civilized world sinca bout AD 600. They aren’t going to change because the American President loves Mohammedans more than he loves his own country. They will simply exploit that weakness to further their war aims. As they have done.
Fox News Channel is replaying the news as it happened 9 years ago. in real time. right now.
I was at work at a janitorial supply house here in the Lawrenceville section of Pittsburgh.
The first part of my day was extremely busy, as I was charged with picking and palleting orders to get ready for the trucks that arrived every morning, and so while I had FM radio on, I couldn’t listen regularly.
A co-worker mentioned something about a plane hitting a building in New York in passing, but didn’t seem too concerned. My first thought, that it was more than likely something on the order of a single-engine Cessna with an inexperienced pilot, was reinforced by the morning show dj’s a few minutes later as they speculated the same thing.
Terrorism didn’t even occur to me.
My manager had a TV on in his office and called us in to take a look once video was available and I and everyone else were in shock at the size of the “accident.”
Disturbed, I went back to work.
When the second plane hit, it became painfully clear that this had been some sort of deliberate act. Reports of Flight 93 and maybe MORE aircraft filled the atmosphere with fear (as Flight 93 was so relatively close to Pittsburgh) I don’t remember hearing about the Pentagon tragedy until later.
Corporate called and sent everybody home for the day. Traffic was a nightmare getting out of the city. Everyone in Pittsburgh was craning their necks looking skyward for fear of death from above.
9-11 was a day of fear mixed with soul-wretching sadness. Anger came later for me.
@ Iron Fist:
True. Unfortunately, we’ve gotten so touchy-feely we can’t say that. It might hurt their feeeeelings.
My little workroom in BP’s office building in NW Houston. Heard people saying things and eventually wound up on the third floor balcony overlooking the lobby area where there was a very large TV always set to CNN. Most of the city was shut down shortly thereafter.
The video at the top of this post, I believe that is this video which I have purchased.
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/splash.html
African Moondog wrote:
There’s that “crazy or incompetent idiot with a small plane” idea that I harbored again. It seems to be a commonality for many.
I sometimes feel guilty for being so ignorant, in that I didn’t feel sad, nor did I give much thought to casualties or human impact at all.
I had an “Oh well, crazy world” attitude for that ever so brief period of time.
mfhorn wrote:
Today is a day for HONEST reflection. PC has no place here.
@ Bumr50:
I agree 100%.
This crap has to stop. NOW. The Islamic world wants to play? They say they love death? Let’s give it to ‘em.
I was at home with the babies. My husband was at work at Philadelphia International Airport – we lived about 5 miles from there at the time. He called – said put the TV on – something’s going on. I put the TV on. I was standing there holding the 1 year old with the 4 year old next to me. The tower was burning. I figured some accident had happened, maybe a small plane accidentally hit. I was telling him this – and then Flight 175 appeared and slammed into the other building. I couldn’t speak – he was saying, ‘What’s going on – what’s going on?’ I just said, ‘Oh my God’ – that’s all I could say. It just completely smashed through me like that plane smashed through that building, this is deliberate. I told him – it wasn’t a little plane, it was a big plane and now both towers are burning. Me and the girls stood there and more planes crashed and I felt like I was surrounded by crashing planes – NY, DC, PA. When the 1st building fell I tried to reach into the TV to stop it and it took a split second to realize that was just crazy to think that I could do that. My husband ended up staying at work for 2 days straight. I couldn’t believe how quiet it was with no planes in the air for so many days. A couple times we heard Hueys or something flying over – amazing sound – very loud and makes you want to crouch down under cover.
My 4 y/old asked when the second plane hit, ‘Were there babies on that plane?’ I had to tell her that yeah, there might have been. I found out later that a cousin of mine was on Flight 175. Those pics of that plane bearing down on that building just freak me out. I can’t imagine what his last minute must have been like. Over the years I’ve heard stories and found that there WERE babies on that plane. Of course we know now just how many innocent people – men, women and children were brutally massacred in that act of war. It’s horrifying and so like islam.
I had a weird agoraphobia for about 6 months after 9/11. I can’t figure out why, but I had to fight it every day – even just to go to the store or go visit a friend.
My girls are 10 and 13 now. I can’t believe that it’s been 9 years. I can’t believe how much I’ve learned about the world since then – it opened my eyes especially to the insanity of islam. It was one of those moments where before it happens – you’re one way and then it happens and everything is changed in a moment.
I will never forget and I will never, EVER forgive. I’m probably supposed to but I can’t. This shit in NYC with the victory mosque is seriously pissing me off – it is amazing the gall of that imam. He is going too far and that rat bastard knows it.
Sorry this was so long – thanks for letting me post it.
mfhorn wrote:
it is so far past time to play cowboys and moslems.
Somebody better get a screenshot. This one will be deleted soon
Of course that should be 9/11 – - not 8/11.
Bumr50 wrote:
Ditto that. In my case the “crazy man” was actually a person I knew quite well. The fact that he could not accept the horror he had witnessed had actually changed his appearance too.
@ African Moondog:
Maybe we should have a DoD thread if we want to continue examining the absurdity that is the LGF metamorphosis from 9/11/2001 to now.
It’s definitely worth examining, but I’m not so comfortable allowing that buffoon to share the sacred space in my mind with my personal reactions and feelings to the 9/11 tragedy.
Just an idea!
@ African Moondog:
You’ll notice that Charles didn’t really change until our Muslim In Chief told him it was time to change. He is a weak-willed, slack-jawed yokel listening to the snake-oils salesman, and lapping up everything he says.
Ouch !
@ Bumr50:
I agree! Since it is going to be deleted I just thought that a record had to be kept. I did not think of DoD although that is the logical place.
@ GrizzlyMama:
tis fixed
@ African Moondog:
I understand now!
There is something called “ScreenGrab” that I hear is good for that sort of thing, but since I don’t have nor use it myself I would be a hypocrite in suggesting it.
My apologies if any offense was taken, it wasn’t meant to be critical at all.
I was at work – two blocks from the Capital. A girl came in and said planes had driven into the Twin Towers. A bunch of us fired up the Internet and saw the news. While a bunch of the Government folks muttered about ‘will they send us home?’ I said to myself, I am getting the hell out of here’, pickup my purse and keys and got to my car.
I took my usual route which was to snake down to Constitution Ave and then to a bridge into Virginia. As I got closer to the White House and Constitution Ave, the traffic jams got worse and worse. I saw every concievable vehicle with flashing blue lights on the dash – pick-up trucks, Corvettes, pimp-mobiles, black SUVs – all driving every which way to the Capital. I was amazed at all the different vehicles with blue lights.
I sat on Constitution Ave in front of the White House for 45 minutes in stopped traffic. No traffic moving – stuck there. Glinting steel on the roof of the White House and smoke from the Pentagon on my left. It was there that panic started to overtake me but I fought it with deep breaths and matras that you are going to make it to that bridge. You are going to get to the GW Parkway and get home. On the bridge, a blue and white helicopter shot up vertically from nowhere as I passed by. Where the hell did that come from? How the hell could they do that so close to the bridge? But the car was moving and the other side was coming closer.
Some 3 1/2 hours after I left work, I was home.
@ yellow flag:
Talk about frightening!
I remember being scared more than anything that day.
I remember hearing that they were patrolling waterways for potential threats, and maybe that helicopter was a part of that action.
@ Bumr50:
Yours was a fair comment.
I went over to my favorite moonbat sites, Firedoglake and the Puff Ho to see how they were commemorating 9/11. Not a peep on it of FDL, although in a post titled “Pull up a Chair”, Elliot concludes with:
On Huff Po the story is relagated to one of the side corridors, reporting The One’s comments.
@ Bumr50:
The blue and white helicopters are (and were then) Park Police. And, yes they were patrolling the Potomac. The Presidential helicopters were at that time also blue and white… not now!
I have since learned that one of the primary reasons for the blue flashing lights heading towards Capital was to get the Justices out.
I share my thoughts on 9/11 on my blog Three States Plus One. The link is in the sidebar.
@ African Moondog:
It’s sad in a way, how surreally(sp?) absurd those sites are (along with MSNBC.)
The fact that they compare US to flat-earthers (what with hour belief in free-market capitalism, Chicago school economics, that we’re a sovereign nation under God, and our willingness to defend the great experiment that is America by any means necessary) is exceedingly ironic. They deal under the premise that their yet-to-be-attained utopian worldview is concrete fact, and any questioning of said premise is deemed “nuttery.”
Hopefully, some of them will be able to strip away their preconceived notions and reflect back honestly today on this anniversary and will begin to deal in the terms of the reality that we face as a nation.
Good morning. Tough day & it seems like too many have forgtten.
Hey Barry just gave a not-half-bad speech (minus the “tolerance” lecture)!
I think that that might be the first one I’ve ever listened to in it’s entirety.
It probably choked him to to deliver it, but I must give credit where credit’s due.
I went out on the driveway to get my copy of the Chicago Tribune
to read with a cup of coffee.
I was disappointed but not surprised. The cover story was not about 9/11, but about a local mMslim teenager.
She is unhappy because some of her classmates think that Mulims are terrorists. This while she studies, plays lacrosse & serves her internship at CAIR.
Almost every page was filled with stories about bigoted Americans & Muslim victims.
I was in AL watching Good Morning America. They said there was a fire at the WTC. I thought it was a stupid little plane that hit. Then I saw Tower 2 get hit. I knew only Osama bin Laden could have done this; Al Quaeda was always boasting how it would return to finish the job. I tried e-mailing and calling my mom but the phone system was down in NY because the Verizon building had been damaged. I didn’t know if any of my relatives had been killed. My mom remembered Pearl Harbor and it’s a shame that she had to live through this again. She told me later that those Muslims who did this were worse than the Japanese, who at least had some civilization.
I remember….
FNC started last night & continues to do very respectful retrospectives on 9/11.
They are not trying to balance it with a guilt trip for ‘bigoted”
Americans.
@ RIX:
That is outrageous!
The Tribune needs to be called out on that. It’s disgusting.
I subscribe to the conservative rag here (Pgh Tribune-Review) and haven’t seen how our much larger liberal paper has covered today.
Here we go. They gave the banner story to one of their biggest flaming liberal opinion writers:
Multitude of events don’t shy from 9/11
Commemorations to be held alongside weddings, festivals
Saturday, September 11, 2010
By Sally Kalson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
The first Saturday after Labor Day has always been a big day for social events, and this year is no exception — even though it falls on Sept. 11.
Among the functions scheduled to take place today in the Pittsburgh region are a polo match, a car show, concerts of every stripe, weddings, a poetry reading, art openings, a dinner dance cruise and even a beer festival.
Certainly today also will feature commemorations of the 2001 terrorist attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people in the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Shanksville, Pa. But the willingness to use the day for unrelated events that might have been unthinkable on the first anniversary raises some interesting questions about the national period of mourning.
When does a date remain sacrosanct, and for how long? If the country resumes the normal course of life, is that a good thing, or does it mean the significance of the event is fading?
@ Bumr50:
OOPS. Big PIMF.
The blockquote should be on the article, not my emphasis.
One of the cover stories on our local paper is from a 9/11 widow who’s upset about the Koran burning. The title is ‘She forgives, won’t forget’.
I am watching MSNBC running the tape from that morning. One the one hand, it is still chilling. On the other hand, I still cannot believe how incredibly stupid Katie Couric sounds. To say that this bint is a journalist is an insult to weekend weathermen everywhere.
@ PaladinPhil:
I too remember the eerily empty and silent skies.
I was at work. After the second plane hit and we knew it was deliberate, some of the girls in the office started making “Proud to be an American” signs and putting them up in the warehouse.
Drove home, everyone was filling their gas tanks.
Total silence overhead at the farm.
I didn’t know if KC would be hit so I prepared to bring my entire family up to what I considered would be the relative safety of our farm. I knew my nephew would be going to war.
And for a brief moment, I thought they would invade us, even though I didn’t know who “they” were.
But what I remember most, was an overwhelming rage, a how could they? How DARE they?
And I was scared.
@ yellow flag:
good Heavens yellow flag! I knew you were close to the situation but I must have forgotten how close! how frightening.
Way out west I didn’t feel a personal physcial threat. I was 30 miles from downtown in a 2 story building. i did however, feel a all encompassing dread of impending war and bad times. they have come to pass.
I was at home getting ready for work when one of my drivers called me and told me to turn on the tv. It was like 6:15-6:30am west coast time. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. I was just stopped in my tracks, standing in my living room, watching the tv. The whole thing was surreal and horrifying. Seeing the pictures later of people hanging out of windows and jumping to their deaths was sad. You could feel their desperation. A sad day in history. I can’t believe other countries that were supposed “allies” were applauding this attack. That’s just despicable.
I was driving to work on Long Island listening to the car radio when suddenly the music was interrupted by a Special Report that a “small plane had apparently hit one of the World Trade Center buildings”. The music came back on, I got to work and noticed that no one seemed to be around. But I soon found EVERYONE in a conference room watching a TV. The droning news narration sounded errie, and the images of the towers pouring flame and smoke shocked me into a sort of numbness. The lady receptionist of our company was crying ’cause her husband was a NYC fireman. (His body was never found). Bad day.
I was at work too.
I’ll never forget all of those who lost their lives.
Or forgive.
Iron Fist. You’re right.
The Chicago Tribune endorsed Obama & has steadily gone downhill since.
You have to go all the way to the op-ed page to find any real story dealing with the actual events of 9/11.
They did however balace it with a quote from Fareed Zakaria.
Used to be a good paper, but is now just a rag.
I was at home. At first the news of a plane hitting the WTC got my attention, but naturally I thought it must be some small plane. But within minutes I could see that this was something much bigger.
At the moment I saw the second plane hit WTC 2, I thought, “we are under attack, we are at war.”
And we still are.
What I can’t fathom is how quickly so many people seem to have forgotten that day, how so many now minimize it and relegate it to some ‘anomaly’ category. It is hard to believe how so many in the media have vilified the 9/11 families who do not want that mosque built so close to where their loved ones died.
On the other hand, perhaps I should be not be surprised given some of the things I witnessed on that terrible day. My apartment was in Manhattan up on Washington Square and my view every morning and evening was taken up with those towers. The sight at night, with the bands of lighted windows in the Twins was so beautiful that I put the sofa so it faced the window and away from the TV. But on Sept. 10th, I’d made a trip out to California and so awoke to a phone call from a friend saying “look out your window, Oh my g-d.” The first plane had just crashed into the North Tower.
I spent the morning glued to the TV, feeling incredibly alone, helpless, and aching to be back in NYC, fielding calls from family and friends from around the world who thought I was in The City, and desperately trying to contact a friend who worked on an upper floor of the South Tower and to try to calm and reassure his fiance, feeling so inadequate from afar. (In this case, friends, smoking was good for the health as the S.T. was being evacuated and then an announcement came telling them to go back to their offices but he and a friend decided to continue on down and have a cigarette. They’d walked down to the 7th floor when they felt the building shake–the second plane had hit their Tower. But everyone else they worked with had gone back up and didn’t make it out).
Around noon, long hours for me after the Towers had fallen, I went to a nearby grocery store, as I’d arrived late the evening before and had nothing at all to eat or drink in my temporary accommodations. I was shocked to see ‘business as usual’ going on –not only was the store full, with people laughing and chatting and seeming completely unconcerned, but the golf course I passed on the way there was full. It was so full that a sign had been put out at the entrance to the parking lot noting that because of the unexpected increase in demand there was a 1-hour wait to enter the greens. A huge piece of my world, our world, had just crumbled into ruins along with thousands of lives and there were people who thought of this as a vacation day to get in a bit of golf. In the days that followed, conversations I had with people reinforced this disconnect.
I was finally able to return home to windows that no longer looked out at a magnificent sight or indeed looked at much of anything because of the thick layer of detritus from the Towers’ collapse that coated them for the next four years. Maybe it coats them still.
I was fundamentally changed. I shouldn’t be surprised at the vilification of 9/11′s victims, the ‘big shrug’ that so many seem to give, and yet I am. I’m as surprised and shocked and sickened as I was to see so many enjoying a 9/11 holiday golfing day.
Bumr50 wrote:
that’s from the newspaper article you quote….
my response… forever. that’s what NEVER FORGET means. how long will we remember Pearl Harbor? For as long as this United States of America endures. How long will we remember the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001? For as long as this United States of America endures.
My God, even asking that question is outrageous. let’s through that idiots article on the bonfire with all the korans.
Bumr50 wrote:
ohmygoodness, me too! at the time, I worked across the street from one of the busiest general aviation airports in the country. 50th busiest airport in the USA iirc. to walk out there and hear no engines, nothing, was surreal. as if time itself had stopped but i was still moving.
I was dropping off my daughter at her grade school & heard the same report.
The radio cohosts were speculating about a terrorist attack.
I got a bad feeling & did not continue to the office, but turned around
and went home. There was no doubt when the second plane hit.
Kirly wrote:
Well, I still celebrate July 4, 1776 as a special and sacrosanct day.
Does the Tribune consider that excessive too?
/Grrrrrrr
@ Kirly:
Yes close by. I sometimes now have to work in DC. But, I am very careful about ‘where in DC’.
They are not done with us yet.
@ Bumr50:
YES, THANK YOU! Agree 100%…
We’re Americans. We don’t get scared. We get even.
@ Yaeli:
I am glad your friend was a smoker! We were shocked but your experience…wow!
Yaeli wrote:
i had that same experience a few months later when i spoke with a friend who had moved away before 911. she actually said something like yeah, but that didn’t really affect us since it was back east, so far away. I’ve never bothered to speak to her since. I have no desire to be friends with someone who is so callous and uncaring about her own fellow citizens.
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
ohmygosh! I was thinking of that very song all morning! love that song.
Wasn’t that all triggered by a bunch of teabaggers in Boston?
And aren’t the Founding Fathers a bunch of old, dead honkies?
I mean come on, nobody wants to come to America./
Obama already spoke at the Pentagon. Now Thing Two (Michelle)
is speaking in Shanksville.
@ Kirly:
{Kirly}
Amid all the horror of that day, my younger son, in first grade, said, “Mommy, I’m scared.” Such a wave of pure righteous HATRED towards those who attacked us washed over me, and I said (I think my voice shook), “We’re Americans. We don’t get scared; we get even.”
He’s determined to go to the Naval Academy to become a Marine officer.
@ PaladinPhil:
I listened again to the video and speech that you posted.
I know it happened, but even re-watching it, it is still a bit surreal.
I can’t believe it’s been 9 years and we haven’t caught Osama Bin Laden. That’s what irks me now…
goddessoftheclassroom wrote:
that is so inspiring {GotC}. my nephews were kids when it happened too. They are now both Marines. They are 20 and 22. One is in SC and one in NC. I kept thinking of them as my brothers sons, kids, and was so worried about if they get deployed and how i’d hate Obama even more until they day I died if anything were to happen to them … until last night. I realized they, and your son, are the most amazing young men I have ever known. They experienced the horror and yet bravely defend our country in ways I will never be able to fully comprehend. God bless them all! I thank God for them every day. If something happens to them, I will know it was in great, honorable service to a country they loved enough to risk their lives for. I can’t type anymore. I’m sorry.
@ RIX:
Dec 25, 0001 is another special and sacrosanct day.
Two thousand years! TAKE THAT TRIBUNE!
@ Kirly:
You expressed my thoughts exactly.
savages_girl wrote:
You can’t catch a dead man! However when it comes to his minions…heh!
goddessoftheclassroom wrote:
Goddess, If I may post your link.
At this point I would not be shocked if the Chicago Tribune, The NYT & WaPo consider the Christmas celebration to be hurtful to Muslim
feelings & therefore hateful.
@ Yaeli:
Your story for some reason reminded me of the bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City. Even though it was done from Tim McViegh (an enemy within our own United States), it was still an act of terrorism that took innocent lives (especially the children).
Horrible events like these should never be forgotten. And everything should be done to honor the fallen and the injured whose lives and their families lives were changed forever.
You should never forget… these kinds of tragedies are a wake up call for the U.S.
Get past the first few seconds to watch what is posted on Holger Awakens. Please. As always, OE has a very good post.
http://holgerawakens.blogspot.com/2010/09/september-eleventh-two-thousand-one.html
@ savages_girl:
If we catch the bastard, I say the hell with a trial. Turn him into a eunuch, sew it and 5 strips of bacon in his mouth, and bury in him pig shit.
mfhorn wrote:
Personally I don’t think he is still alive
mfhorn wrote:
since he’s not covered by the protections of the Geneva Conventions (anyone who doesn’t believe me that he can rightfully be summarily executed on teh battlefield should read them for themselves), i say that sounds fine.
Nevergiveup wrote:
well then find his body, dig it up, and leave it in indignity for eternity.
Kirly wrote:
Yeah but he is covered by the Obama conventions.
I think that Osama is Osama bin Dead. He would be taunting us if he was alive.
If he is alive , he can not be taken that way.
RoPers have no self-control apparently & they would just be forced to get violent.
@ Nevergiveup:
mornin’ doc.
Now, more than ever, as the muzz aggressively engage in stealth jihad, we need strong solid conservatives in office, who love this country and see the danger posed by islam. It is imperative that we make that happen.
All around America the muzz are building mosks and spreading their hideous screed of murder and cruelty.
Look how many muzz around the world celebrated the massacre of our fellow Americans on 9-11.
Look what the jihadi iman is trying to do right on the graves of of those they killed on 9-11.
If Rudy were mayor of NYC this would not be happening.
I am going to GZ today to protest these vile scum and their treacherous plan to commemorate their victory on 9-11 with a conquest mosk. It is astounding that they just won’t back off. They keep trying to push their ‘tolerance,’ ‘ compassion,’ and ‘sensitivity’ down our throats, though we say no thank you.
We are seeing that these aggressive bastards have absolutely no regard for us. No sensitivity for our feelings whatsoever. The muzz want this monument to their murderous success so bad they are digging in and salivating like out of control beasts.
They have no idea how disgusting their behavior looks to the citizens of this country.
@ Kirly:
Hey Kirls, just wanted to say “HI” and {Kirly}.
I miss you!
I am going to go read your post from #6 (go to your site).
I had to catch up with everybody here in between watching the vids.
Such interesting stories about where everybody was and what everybody was thinking at the times of 9/11 attacks.
Not being real into politics at the time, I didn’t even know who Osama Bin Laden was, or Al-Qaeda, or Islam. It just wasn’t in my realm of thinking. But the events of 9/11 changed all that. I learn a lot about it from this site. I can’t believe we still let people emigrate into our country from these countries that supported and cheered these horrible attacks. It sickens me.
I was sick in bed with a virus and my wife came in and said some idiot flew a plane into the WTC. True to tunnel vision my first thought was “Great, now every GA pilot in the US will get butt wrung” myopic I admit as I was fighting to keep my Medical at the time ( Yes I had and have an Airman’s Certificate, commonly called erroneously a Pilot’s Licensee). Five minutes later she came in and said no it was a commercial airliner.
I was out of the bed in seconds virus forgotten as I charged down the hall to the Den where the TV was. She told me later I was stating over and over “the shit has hit the fan ATR’s do not make mistakes like that”) The Air Transport Rating is one notch above Commercial Pilot and is the pinnacle of Pilot ratings (OK, except for Astronaut Wings) required to fly Passenger Bearing commercial flights and has been shown just DO NOT PANIC. (We are in the Hudson!)
I got to the TV in time to see the reports of the second plane hitting! I looked at her and said “We have to go kick someones ASS. That was an attack!
I sat in that seat for the rest of the day with a fever wracking my whole bod and never noticed!
I will never forget and never forgive!
**this thread will be advertised for peeps to tell their story for the next week**
fell free to continue on this thread as the ncaa football/bbq open all day background thread is up next, its for football/open, yinz can feel free to stay here if ya like.
going to a candle light memorial tonight at the American Consulate. Speaking of which, I gotta stop lurking and start moving. Too much stuff to get done today. NEVER FORGIVE, NEVER FORGET!!!
@ Nevergiveup:
@ Speranza:
@ MacDuff:
I was in Jersey City when it happened. I saw the 2nd plane it. It looked like a spec from where I was standing. I got drunk with some Hot Indian woman who hated islam. You can figure out the rest!
@ coldwarrior:
Did you get Bunk’s email?
RIX wrote:
Is she lecturing us that we need to show tolerance for the muzz and try to understand why they are inspired and compelled to kill us, so we can change our ways and reach out to them?
@ mfhorn:
agreed!
@ Nevergiveup:
Really? What makes you think that?
I think he’s still alive – heavily protected by his followers and those around too scared to turn in his whereabouts.
And it’s not just him we need to wipe out. It’s all his followers too. If Osama Bin Laden gets killed, I have not doubt one of his followers (if not many) would step up and fill in where he left off.
Fuck Islam!
On the left coast, it wasn’t even 6 when the first plane hit. I was driving to work with the radio on KVI, listening to Kirby Wilbur. About ten to 6, there was some inaudible mumbling for a few seconds, and then Kirby said something about a report of a “small plane” hitting one of the WTC towers. My first thought was another Empire State Building kind of accident. Somehow, this smallish station in Seattle managed to get a hold of some New Yorker with a cell phone in the next ten minutes, and started asking questions, when he started screaming “O My God! O My God!, the second building was hit.” He then said that he could feel the heat from where he was standing. It was then that I knew it wasn’t a small plane.
Rodan wrote:
hey, we are flyin the castles and lions today!
see pic in the ncaa thread
Anybody with even a cursory knowlege of Islam knows that historically
they have built Mosques in the area of a great military victory.
Obama certainly knows this. He had a Muslim father & step-father & took Koranic studies in Jakarta.
He pretends not to see it.
@ chickadee:
Why don’t they develop some tolerance and sensitivity and not built their mosque there at all. Seems a no-brainer…
Sometimes (I’m thinking more times than not as I get older), I think we need to realize there is a limit to being tolerant and all “PC”, and the powers that be in the U.S. government need to realize when that line has been crossed and take definitive action.
@ savages_girl:
hi savages_girl. thanks! i know i don’t comment as much but i read the posts and when i have something i think is worthy of saying, i comment. i’m glad you’ll read my memorial. the part about me is just a boring slice of life but it leads up to my meeting my friend Mack and getting to know, through him, two victims. I also met the author of the books Stairwell to Heaven. It’s actually the story of an ordinary American man who goes to work in the WTC on 911 and experiences a horrifying situation. He was fortuante. He got out.
I don’t know, because FNC cut away from her.
BHO did the lecture at the Pentagon though.
We are such a blood thirsty group. Look at all the Muslims that get killed & maimed in America!/
I was driving my daughter to preschool and we were listening to childrens music. I turned the radio off for the ride home. A little Rafi goes a long way. When I pulled in front of my house a neighbor ran out to tell me something was happening in NY and to turn on the TV, she would be over in a minute. I turned on the TV and saw one Tower was on fire, there was talk it was a small plane accident. A short time later the second plane crashed into the second Tower. I was shocked and horrifed. I didn’t know what I was seeing. I remember thinking the same thought over and over, what is happening? what is happening? The phone wouldn’t stop ringing. Neighbors dropped by. No one could make sense of what they just saw happen live, on TV. By noon, 10 people were glued to my tv and all we did was watch silently and say “Oh my God”, oh dear God”. I remember 9-11 like it was yesterday. Shock has been replaced by anger and even that has been replaced by something a little colder and a lot more determined. Maybe it is hate or maybe resolve, I’m not sure. My silly American friendliness and innocence was lost that day. You can call me bigot to my face and it rolls right off with no effect. I know who did this and I do not trust them not to do a similar thing if given the chance. 3,000 dead and I will not forget. No mosque at Ground Zero.
The History Channel is showing some more 911 documentaries today.
@ Rodan:
Nice and concise, Rodan. I wrote the same thing on my blog, except I went on a rant. I will not forget and those bastards of Islam deserve no forgiveness.
If I stray from FNC it is clear that today is not a day to remember the outrage of 9/11 & to mourn the dead.
No, it is a day to admit our Islamophobia. Hey we don’t welcome a Ground Zero Mosque, & other mosques are being opposed.
Johnson even pointed out that a drunk eneterd a mosque & urinated
on a prayer rug.
Charles may wet the bed, but he has never pissed on a prayer rug!
RIX wrote:
Too busy doing sit-ups on them in the direction of the pet rock!
@ Kirly:
I can’t begin to imagine the lasting impact that would have on someone’s life to have actually been there going through that whole experience. I wonder if people who survived still have nightmares about that day.
I was working in an office where I had accumulated a considerable degree of infamy for having openly supported the Serbs during the 1999 Kosovo War. Due to ongoing security concerns, I cannot give any further information about my exact whereabouts at that time.
As soon as the news came in, one of my co-workers asked me whether “my people,” meaning the Serbs, did it. I pointed out that “my people” are not capable of such a thing.
Then, I called my husband on the telephone and told him, very quietly, to put the television on.
There is a spiritual dimension to all of this. During the Kosovo War and its aftermath, I had predicted that what goes around, comes around, and that America could expect disaster as the outcome of its own errors. I also said very plainly that no retaliation would ever come from the Serbs, which indeed has proven true.
Government wrongdoing and corruption inflicts a heavy price, as we also saw during and after Hurricane Katrina. In a larger sense, we are not punished for our sins, but BY our sins.
Instead of using the power of the US and NATO military forces to set up a stronghold for the jihadis in the Balkans, with the futile aim of appeasing Middle Eastern oil interests, we should have struck back at each set of jihadi perpetrators hard and relentlessly, and yes, with a truly disproportionate level of destruction, for each and every attack they made on the US, on US interests, or on our non-Muslim allies. In addition, then and there, we should have permanently closed off all avenues for Muslims to emigrate to the US, or even to visit.
Had we done so, there never could have been a 9-11, because our enemies would have had neither the wherewithal nor the opportunity to strike us.
The jihadis view appeasement as a sign of weakness, and respond, never with gratitude, but always with emboldened aggression and depredations.
OK, looks like some of you have moved on to the next thread.
I will come back and read this one thread thoughout the day.
I think it is imperative to remember and reflect on what happened.
For some reason, this is not a situation that I can “forgive and forget”. We should never forget.
So where was I when this happened? Well the kids were off to school. One in high school, so he was gone longer, the other in junior high had only been gone about an hour. I remember sitting and channel surfing early morning shows when I saw the one tower on fire. Just then, BAM! The second plane hit. Since we are close to Pittsburgh International, the schools closed. My daughter came running in the house crying and shaking..”We’re all gonna die!”. I could barely comfort her as reports of the other planes were coming in. I was crying. My daughter then asked me “Will Uncle George have to go to war?” I said I hoped not, but probably. That scared her more. I was sad. I was pissed. I was ready to send my brother myself and have him kick some serious ass. I am not nice when I am pissed and you mess with my family. I still cry on this day. I have never in my life seen total devastation like that. I want revenge. And to any stalkers, remember, one day it might be YOUR kids on the line against the moe invasion. Are you teaching them to put flowers in their gun barrels or to fight back?
NEVER FORGET, NEVER FORGIVE
I was at work when the co-worker in the next cube said a plane hit the WTC.
I was thinking maybe a Piper Cub or some little small private plane like that.
At that point the Internet turned to mush for any news site and it was slow to get information that way so we hustled on over to the trade floor and in quick order saw news of the second WTC strike and the Pentagon attack.
At that point the building we were working in was ordered evacuated as well as all of downtown Houston.
I just went backed to my cube.
I was pissed.
I kept thinking about how the Israelis try to make a point of continuing on with their daily lives and routines in the face of such daily horror. Now it is our turn.
I worked in a totally abandoned building in a totally abandon business district.
I made it a point to work until 5PM.
I made it a point not to watch the news.
I knew that every jackass with their own personal agenda was going to turn this into their own cause — a platform for their own animuses.
It took me a few weeks to actually get the mental steadiness to watch the footage of the towers falling — and I still watched agape and hurt.
I cannot put into words the sadness and helplessness I felt those few months afterwords.
There were a few charity drives and the like but it just seemed that no amount of action of any kind was enough to quell the anger and betrayal we all felt as a country towards our fellow human beings.
It seems to me that the most disappointing are those talking heads that tried to turn our attention away from the brutal acts of this day.
And the minions of useful idiots who tried to confuse this simple act of barbarism with the platitudes of peace and restraint.
I cannot readily express this feeling as well as on man in a surprising essay that I still remember to this day.
Kirly wrote:
I was watching some of that last night. One Bush administration official, I can’t recall which one, said that after that day “every day was September 12th”
That probably sums up my feeling, and will for the rest of my life. We have a generations-long struggle ahead of us, but there are some who just want to move along and put the unplesantness behind us.
On September 12, we all knew that the world had changed forever, but in the insuing nine years, many have lost their focus. Yes, we must move on with our daily lives and not let the events of that day consume our every waking moment.
That said, in the back of our minds, as we watch events unfold around us we must always realize that it’s 9/12, be concious of the scar that day left, and remember that our collective future have been forever altered.
Yeah, he will soon have that circular sore on his forehead to prove
his piety.
No wait, he could never fast during Ramadan.
I’ve spent the last 2 hours watching the memorials online.
I sobbed when Rudy Gulliani spoke at the Twin Tower memorial. Rudy, you were a true leader to us in those trying days. You gave us a sense of security and reassurance, you gave us pride in who we are and your strength gave us strength, to make it through those tough days.
To the Blogmocracy Community, I beg your patience as I relive that day.
September 11. 2001
I woke to a sunny morning and rushed about my Brooklyn apartment getting ready for the day. My grandfather was booked to have open heart surgery and we were all worried about the outcome. My Dad had flown in to NY and I was going to meet him at the hospital after work. I wished my husband of 4 months a “have a good day” and ran to catch my ride. I remember thinking that the sky was so blue, so so blue.
The morning went as normal. In my 5th grade classroom, it was only me and my students. No radio, no internet, no television and no news. It was only at morning recess, when I went down to the staff room, that I heard that planes had flown into the twin towers. The principal walked into the room and requested that we don’t give the students any details. “They are young,” she said, “and many of their father’s work in Manhattan. They will all think that their father’s are in danger. Let’s wait until we have more details.”
Going back into the classroom was surreal. I looked at the 32 faces looking up at me and begged for Divine providence. “Help me say the right thing,” I prayed. The rest of the morning was a blur. After lunch duty, I got ready to leave. I had to get to the hospital but the public transportation system was in chaos. Another teacher offered to drive me. I am indebted to her to this day.
The first thing that hit us as we stepped outside the school, was the smell of smoke in the air. It felt as if we were breathing in ash. We shared a look and drove in silence to the hospital. It only took the normal 20 minutes. When I arrived in the operating waiting room. I found 1 aunt. “Where is everyone? Where is my father?” I asked. She didn’t know. She last heard from them in the early morning. He arrived an hour later after spending the morning stuck on the BQE. He had the radio on and filled me in on the details. I remember telling him “I don’t believe you, those buildings would never fall!” I had been there 3 weeks before, to the day, with my sister. My father took me down to the cafeteria, where a TV was broadcasting the news. “It’s like a scene out of Godzilla” I said. It didn’t look real.
Even though I had scene the horror on TV, breathed the ash and smelled the smoke, the enormity of what had happened did not hit until I came home that evening. Everyone was congregating outside in the streets. People were swapping names, asking if everyone in the community had made it back ok. Wearily, I trudged up the stairs to our apartment.
When I opened my door, I came face to face with the horror. Where the twin towers should have been was a horrible black/grey cloud of smoke. Huge clouds of it. That’s when it hit. I felt like I could see the souls of those who lost their lives, rising up through the thick of it. That’s when I cried.
And I cry still, for those who lost their lives, for those who are left to mourn them. For the unity we had then as a nation, that we have now lost. And I cry still for those who risk their lives to keep the rest of us safe.
G-d Bless us all. Thank you for allowing me the privilege to share.
@ unclassifiable:
yeah, we all stayed at work all day too but since we weren’t near NYC or DC or even downtown Phoenix or in a highrise, we did not feel physically threatened. There was only a small number of people who didn’t show up that day. I stayed at work for about 12 hours that day. the Department Manager reminded us that we were the leaders and needed to keep it together so i refused to see any of the visuals. no trip to the cafeteria to watch the news on television for me. the internet was unavailable for most of the day. i only retrieved the radio and listened a bit. five years later i took the day off and watched the coverage on the internet as if it were live. i can only imagine what it must have been like to actually watch it in real time.
@ RIX:
LOL!!
Do any of the admins know how to make this a “sticky” thread so it keeps going to the top of the front page? People from other sites might stop by and want to post their experiences.
But the problem that we have had for the past nine friggin years is that Islam is at war with us! Unless we understand what we are fighting, we will be doomed.
I was working from home that morning. Wife and son were at school. I was in my study watching the stock futures on my computer and all indicators were up. All of a sudden the futures took a fairly sharp dive so I clicked over to an news ticker and saw that an airplane had hit one of the towers. I went into the den and turned on the news just about the time the second plane hit. I was glued to the TV for the rest of the day with frequent calls to my wife with updates. I remember going out on the deck that night and how strange it was to see no planes in the air.
@ huckfunn:
Being close to an airport as I am…now that I think about it not only PIA but a small county airport, the quietness was freaky. I guess I was a little paranoid.
I was off from work that day
was sleeping in.
the phone rang and my wife got up to answer it, it was mymother in law
“turn on the tv” she said “a plane has hit the world trade tower”
my wife did, then woke me up saying “you have to see this”
we sat there watching thinking “what a horrible accident”….
then the second plane….
“oh fuck…this was no accident”
we sat there watching as the horror mounted
the pentagon
the towers falling
the plane going down in penn.
thinking “oh my god what’s next”
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today it has been 1 year here at 2.0, last year at the other place
on this date the was no flag on the masthead and I knew that things had changed and it was time foe me to leave.
RIX wrote:
Islam and Brain Damage
MacDuff wrote:
Obama is at war with us.
huckfunn wrote:
I remember, a few days later, a US fighter plane happened to make a fairly low pass over our neighborhood. I remember feeling grateful that it was one of OUR planes!
snowcrash wrote:
I concur.
@ huckfunn:
@ 1389AD:
Shortly after the FAA grounded and recalled all planes, I went out on my deck and saw a plane heading into Austin. I wondered if it could perhaps be an attack plane. Very strange.
If the attacks had come ten days earlier they would have got me. On the morning of 9/1/2000 I was sick as a dog in bed in a SW corner room of the Millennium Hilton.
Ten days later I was at work 2500 miles away from the scene, running the semi-weekly Software Bug Review meeting. The news came to me mostly on my pager.
Check out a picture of the Millennium Hilton on 9/11. Note the huge gouge in the SW corner.
[Yes I am unalterably opposed to Imam (spit) Rauf's Al-Qaeda Arc de Triomphe.]
@ snowcrash:
good idea…fwd’d it to M
Don’t burn the Qur’an, burn a terrorist wrapped in bacon. Lets help them find their 72 virgins.
I bought the movie Flight 93. Watched it once. The whole fron collar of my nightie was wet from wiping my tears. When they showed those people calling home for the last time? My God. The screams before it hit the ground however made me proud. They weren’t screams of fear, they were screams of angry Americans who did what they felt they could do to divert that plane. They were pissed. I loved hearing that. Good on them for not going down without a fight. And I hope the jihadis knew that it was American men and WOMEN who kicked their asses that day and ruined their plans.
@ NoThreat2U:
When Hollywood Video near my home was going out of business, I saw the move Flight 93 available. I couldn’t bring myself to buy it or to watch it. I would be like you – I would cry through the whole thing. I just can’t imagine what those people were feeling… I just wouldn’t be able to watch it.
@ savages_girl:
I caught some of it on tv once and that is why I wanted to own the movie. Chances are I will never watch it again. Then again, the day may come when i need to remind myself and others of what just happened that day.
I’m sorry I’m late to the thread. Hope no one minds if I post my remembrances. I was coming back from dropping off my younger son at nursery school. I had Howard Stern on and they interrupted the show to say the first tower had been hit. I kept thinking, “How are they going to put that out?” Just thought it was an accident. I got home and put on the tv so I could watch it while cleaning up from breakfast. The angle of the second crash was such on NBC that I thought some debris had fallen on the second tower and started a fire there. Then an eyewitness they were interviewing said, “OMG, another one just hit.” That’s when I realized it was terrorism. I just stood and watched things unfold for the next few hours until I had to pick up my kids from school. I put on a big happy face for them (one was six and one was three) and told them we were going to have a special day and just watch Disney movies in the tv room “All day long. Yay!” I kept the tv on in the kitchen and turned it off everytime they came in.
I was truck driving at the time and had just gotten home the night before. I got home about once a month and had the day off so I had stayed up pretty late. My wife was in Cruces so I was home alone and my mom called me and woke me up. She said turn on the TV, the world is ending. This was before the second plane but she knew we had been attacked. She had lived through Pearl Harbor and lost her first husband over the Sea of Japan. I saw the second plane hit. Spent the day in front of the TV. Nobody would mention the M word or if they did it was to warn us not to jump to conclusions. Next day though the CBs were buzzing with comments about nuking Mecca, Medina, Kabul, Baghdad, etc. with others jumping in that we are not like them, shouldn’t kill innocents, not all Muslims are terrorists. It was allot like blog chat. There were quite a few Pakistani truck drivers at that time, they always seemed to be around but for months after 9/11 I never saw one. I remember Bush’s first speech after 9/11at a truck stop in El Paso. Every trucker was itching for us to go to war, truckers tend to be very patriotic and conservative.
I wrote a tribute last year for a WTC victim as part of the “Project 2996,” and am a little embarrassed that I didn’t do the same this year, as there are still names with no tributes listed on the site.
My tribute from last year is posted a site for those of us without blogs called “Friends of Project 2996″
If anybody has any spare time and wouldn’t mind doing just a little research, there are still MANY names unrepresented.
@ Bumr50:
Sorry, link to “Friends of Project 2996″ here.
***Our blogmocrats want this to be the top thread thru the day….***
their wish…my command, verily.
@ Rancher:
I used to know a truck driver (he ran for me when I was a dispatcher) who drove about 4-6 months out of the year, and then would work on his farm for the other 6-8 months. Ron at T-Bird Express. Can’t remember his last name.
When did you go stop trucking and go into ranching/farming?
I’d like to thank everyone for their memories of 9/11. This does need to be kept up at the top for a while so others can post, read, and remember.
I’m gonna post a link to this thread on my Facebook. Maybe we can get some new posters and drum up some interest. If that is OK with yinz
@ Bumr50:
Nice tribute to people. Well done.
@ MacDuff:
That is exactly right. We can hide from this, and lose, or face it and fight and win. We do not lose when we fight to win.
@ Kirly:
Thank you, Kirls.
I’d like to share this: Last night, about 100 or so of us were down at the entrance of Walter Reed Army Medical Center with our “Support the Troops” signs and American flags…there were 3 Code Pinkers. We were on all four corners of the entrance on Georgia Avenue.
About 8:30 p.m., a young soldier, dressed in civvies, appeared at the one corner across the street from me – he was shaking hands with our guys over there. He then proceeded to walk across Georgia Ave to a thunderous round of applause and the car horns blaring from dozens and dozens of cars that stopped as he crossed the street, it took some time as I believe he was fairly new to his prosthetic leg. He met us on our corner, I shook his hand, I told him “thank you for your service, soldier, you have no idea how proud of you I am.” He walked across the street two more times as he shook every hand of every person there – his words were simple and heartfelt. He said to each of us:
“Thank you for doing this. You just can’t know how much it means to us to see you out here.”
This soldier was 19 or 20 years old.
@ NoThreat2U:
cool
@ ornery elephant:
Tearing up here. That is exactly the response these men and women deserve! WTG OE
[...] September 11th, 2010 | 1389, Blogmocracy, September 11, 2001 9-11: Where Were You When… [...]
Speranza wrote:
Speranza, please tell us about your experience.
Speranza wrote:
Sorry. Here’s the quote from Speranza’s comment.
Here’s mine…
I had parked at the TA truckstop in Porter IN the night before with a load going to a warehouse just north of O’Hare for delivery at 1pm on 9/11. I got up at 730am and turned on WLS radio to listen to the traffic reports and Don and Roma (the drivetime morning hosts) were droning on and on about how horrible it was in New York. Mind you, I was half asleep so I had no idea what they were talking about. I threw on some clothes, got out of the truck and walked inside the truckstop. The restaurant is right on your left side as you walk in the front door and I noticed that there were about 30 drivers and 2 counter girls and not a peep out of any of them. If you have ever been around truckers, everyone tries to talk over everyone else, a loud group to be sure.
I went over to the counter and sat down and asked the girl at the counter what the hell was going on and she told me to go into the TV room down the hall and watch the TV and she warned me that there was some bad shit going on in New York. I went down the hall and looked up at the clock above the door to the TV room (truckers are notorious for watching the clock due to the nature of the industry) and it was a little past 8am Chicago time. I walked in the door, looked at the TV, saw one of the towers with smoke pouring out of it and saw with my own eyes the second tower get hit by the jetliner. That was at 8:03 local time.
I looked over at another driver and the first thing I said to him was “we are at war now.” I tried to call everyone on my cellphone and I couldn’t get a call through for about an hour and finally got hold of my boss in Cedar Rapids and Gary told me to stay there and not to drive anywhere and all the appointments on his board were cancelled by the owner of the company.
Everyone in that truckstop were walking around like zombies. No one was saying a thing. A few of us including me were trying to call around to get permission to drop our load and grab as many empties as we could and drive them to New York to help out and all we were told is to stay there and wait to see what was happening. Remember, no one knew if the Sears Tower was the next target. Same thing with LA, Detroit, Atlanta, every major city you could think of.
The boss gave out a bunch of money to cover us for the delay time and I got an appointment on September 12th to get my trailer empty. I headed out of the truckstop at 9 that morning and there was hardly any traffic out there, and in Chicagoland that is extremely rare. But the strangest thing I ever saw, and I have seen a lot of odd things in all my years of driving, was the sight of probably 250 planes sitting idle on the tarmac of O’Hare. It was as quiet as the grave.
That is my 9/11 story.
Kirly wrote:
I read it yesterday. You did a good job. Thank you.
@ savage:
good morning Savage
@ savages_girl:
good morning.
Lost, that is such a vivid recall. Speranza, I cannot imagine what you must have felt, and what you still experience. I was home and we were watching CNN when the second tower was hit. It was unreal and devastating, incomprehensible. We were glued to the TV. In Canada, provisions were being made for American flights to land safely in various airports instead of entering U.S. airspace.
I began to learn about Islam from that day on. It has taken a long time to recognize a mindset so different from everything I have ever seen and known. Islam is at war with the West. Philip Daniel is correct. The U.S. is a vassal state of Saudi Arabia; the Bush dynasty down through Obama are all at fault. Our tolerance is cynically used against us in the West every hour, every day by Islam. It is also an economic war with oil as a weapon. Never forgive, never forget, never stop telling the truth. Thanks, Blogmocracy.
Just to be honest with myself and not let my anger destroy me, I have to say that there were plenty of people in other countries who mourned right along with us. I think it put into perspective, for them, that if the Great US can be dealt a blow like that, how vulnerable were they?
I was home-schooling all 4 kids back then. I remember we happened to be studying the geography of Africa and were in the middle of a drill/game identifying countries on an unmarked map. My older son had just correctly pointed out Burundi.
Then I got a call from my (Taiwanese) sister-in-law. She was very agitated and, since her accent gets much worse when she’s upset, I had a hard time understanding her. She knew that my brother (USAF intelligence)had a meeting at the Pentagon that morning and she couldn’t get through to anyone to find out where he was and if he was alright.
Only a few minutes later Mr. Wolf called from work to tell me what had happened.
We spent the rest of the day following the news coverage on TV.
A couple of hours after my SIL first called, she heard from my brother and passed the news on to the rest of the family. He was had been nowhere near where the plane struck and was fine. I remember that he went over to Andrews AFB and didn’t get home for 3 days, but I don’t remember why….or maybe we just weren’t told.
My older kids remember this vividly. The younger ones only vaguely.
Funny, though. We all get the creeps whenever we hear the word “Burundi,”………which, I grant, is not very often.
My kids remember this vividly.
@ yenta-fada:
Isn’t that the truth!
On 9-09-01 a good friend of mine and I parked our car in a small marina on the Hudson river, it was an exceptionally clear night and we were commenting on how we could see the windows of the World Trade Center so clearly, there was no haze, I made a comment about how beautiful the buildings were and we talked about remembering when they were being built, I used to wonder how they would get the last crane down from the top. That was the last time I would see them standing. On the morning of 9-11, I remember picking up a newspaper and glancing the front page and I read a small blurb that they had just caught some lowly hijacker from a 1972 hijacked plane to cuba, I thought to myself, hijacked planes, now there is something you don’t hear about anymore, 7 minutes later, irony struck. My sister drove an express bus in Manhattan, she saw the plane fly right over her bus and she said out loud, “Oh my God, that plane is going to hit the Empire State Building” she was not far off, I contacted the bus company and they told me she was okay, and on her way to the station, I met her at my parent’s house and she was white as a ghost, they made all drivers stay at work in case they needed to do emergency evacuations, but they fortunately did not have to go back into the city that day. I will never forget and never ever forgive.
I am watching the Nadal-Youzhny semi-final of the US Open while reading over this thread.
I am rooting for the Russian Youzhny. Nothing against Nadal, who is cute as a bug’s ear.
So why Youzhny?
He is wearing a black ribbon on his sleeve in memory of the victims of 9/11.
It’s pity others players didn’t think of that.
I salute him!
@ Crusader Rabbit:
Before or after repairs
the hit
@ ornery elephant:
do you have any idea how much you are loved and how much what you do on your blog appreciated?
don’t panic, i mean platonic friendly love.
Bumr50 wrote:
I missed last year but put up one for Michael Uliano this year.
Reposted from the overnight –
from JacksonTN:
NoThreat2U wrote:
NoThreat2U – great, great point.
This is a reminder of how the Brits reached out to us the day after 9/11/01.
The Changing of the Guard September 12, 2001
At the time I was still living in the Bay Area. I was working as a beta program manager for a digital video software company, and as our engineers did not get in the office until later, I woke up around 8, got a bowl of cereal and a cup of coffee, and turned on my Mac to look at news headlines. The SF Chronicle webpage had a story headlined “World Trade Center Towers collapse” but there was no mention of terrorist attack or the planes in the headline…I thought it was some structural damage from the first attack in 1993 finally manifesting itself. I had a weird feeling and turned on the TV just in time to see a replay of the 2nd plane hit. I knew it was Jihadists before I even heard the speculation about Bin Laden. In my mind I flashed back to a scene in that Orson Welles movie from the late 1970′s about the Nostradamus prophecies of a Muslim leader who would attack the West. I watched dumbfounded for a while but knew I would soon have to head in to work. I was convinced the attacks were not over, and did not know what would be coming next. Terrorist hit squads at malls and gas stations? I pulled my CZ-75 out of the closet and loaded up 3 mags with 9mm hollow points, and put the pistol and the extra mags in a range bag and put it in my car for the trip to work. California gun laws be damned, if these jihadist bastards were going to pull something like that I was determined to be able to shoot back! On my way in to work I listened to the local conservative talk station and it was there I heard about all flights being grounded. The lack of aircraft in the sky was eerie, as the Bay Area is home to three major airports. “We are all Israelis now” I thought. Work was a blur for me that day and for the next few weeks, but I remember having to seriously restrain my emotions, as, this being the Bay Area, a number of co-workers were out and out lefties who were already talking nonsense about how our support of Israel was to blame. One of them, a hippieish dude who DJ’ed rave shows and was into the whole lefty Indymedia scene was spewing that Paki inspired rumor that “4000 Jews did not go to work in the Towers” I told him that was absolute bullshit, that most of the staff of Cantor Fitzgerald who died in the Towers were Jewish. How I managed to avoid coldcocking him I will never know.
I spent the next few months in a state of frustration over my age, the state of my health, and the fact that I had not served in the military when I was younger. My dad had been a Marine helicopter pilot in Vietnam, and when I was a child I had wanted to follow in his footsteps as a military aviator. Unfortunately genetics intervened as I had inherited my mother’s predisposition to nearsightedness. Now I regretted not having served in some other capacity, as they were taking in guys in their late 30′s/early 40′s who had served previously. In late October, early November just as we began to attack the Taliban, I had my second acute bout with diverticulitis. It was extremely frustrating to me, watching our guys take on the Taliban knowing i would not be able to take part. One amusing irony, the anthrax attacks were taking place at the same time, and one of the meds they were giving me for the divertic was Cipro!
@ ornery elephant:
omg. i’m blubbering like a little baby here. messing up my make up. i’ll have to fix my face again several times before i get to the 9-11 memorial this afternoon.
savages_girl wrote:
Other way around, I was a Rancher till age forty when we finally sold the ranch. I drove for Swift for about a year then went to prison where I still work. More detail here.
the history channel is showing the miracle of stairway B right now. 14 people survived the collapes in a stairwell.
FROM BunkX:
I’d just gotten out of the shower, and the Missus had the TV on, said that a plane had hit one of the WTC towers. I was thinking an idiot in a Cessna bounced off of one. Got dressed and headed out to work.
As I was pulling out of the driveway, my neighbor pulled up. He’s a Samoan guy, works retrofitting buildings for firesprinklers, and said that the library tower in L.A. had been evacuated and everyone sent home. He also said that a second plane had struck the WTC, the Pentagon had been hit, and there was another plane still in the air. I thought he was kidding me.
It wasn’t until I got to the office, that the enormity of the attacks hit me, as I watched the towers fall on a portable TV.
My emotions didn’t really kick in until I came home, watched replays of people leaping to their deaths to avoid the smoke and the flames, watched the towers collapse again. I lost all semblance of composure.
coldwarrior wrote:
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@ ornery elephant:
But it sure didn’t last long.
@ snork:
snork, we moved your billionare post to tomorrow. it’s a better fit there, hope you are ok with that.
@ 1389AD:
thanks!
@ 1389AD:
Posted on my blog and my facebook. Great idea.
**admin note***
there will be rosh hashanah thread tonight, happy new year and pray for a great 5771!
@ coldwarrior:
Nema problema.
@ Kirly:
thanks kirly!
I slept through the whole thing. I didn’t wake until until around 11AM.
I would also like to take this opportunity to request once again that everyone do whatever they can to make sure that St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church, which was obliterated when the South Tower fell, is rebuilt:
Rebuild St. Nicholas CHURCH at Ground Zero, Not a Mosque
How You Can Help: Build The CHURCH, Not A Mosque
coldwarrior wrote:
Good!
@ Rancher:
Read you link/story. Very interesting.
I always find it interesting how people end up doing what they do for a living.
I would think being a corrections officer you are always “on your guard”. Can be dangerous work. Kudos to ya!
On 9/11/2001 I had just gotten out of the shower and was stumbling around the kitchen trying to make a pot of coffee, it was 6am in the morning, California time.
My brother was clowning me for getting up so late, he had been up since 5am, and already finished a pot of coffee by himself.
As I am standing there, still wearing only a towel looking more like a drowned rat than anything else his mother in law bursts into the house and rushes over to the television and turns it on. She was sobbing uncontrollably.
She had left her house for work at 5:45am, California time, on her way to work she normally drove right by our house, on 9/11 she had her radio on and was listening to local talk radio. By the time she had driven the five miles from her house to ours she knew what had happened and she stopped to see the television news coverage.
Within minuets of her arrival everyone in the house was up and glued to the television, myself still clad only in my bath towel with a empty coffee cup dangling from my finger included. We stood watching in shocked silence for maybe 20 minuets before what was happening sank in.
When the second tower actually collapsed my brother whose company had closed for the day and sent all it’s employees home and I got out the coffin flag we were given by the United States Navy when our father passed away and we hung it from the roof overhang of his house.
We flew my fathers flag for an entire year after 9/11 and only took it down because nature was not being overly kind to it. That flag has been returned to it’s case and now sits once again under the urn that contains my fathers ashes.
1389AD wrote:
Done.
It was a little after 9 am, and I was still sleeping in my apartment in New York. I got woken up by my girlfriend who handed me the cordless phone, and on the other end a friend of mine from Europe was calling to tell me about the plane that had just hit the first tower. We spent a few minutes talking, and then I just remained glued to the television and internet for probably the next 7 days straight.
It was also around that time that I started to look into and investigate the terrorists and research Islam in general, which is the same thing that countless other Americans also did around that time I would imagine. The more I read and found out, the angrier I became. I also surfed a bunch of foreign forums around this time and was shocked by the amount of glee and joy expressed by certain people. I also read and saw pictures/video of pockets of Muslims worldwide celebrating the attacks. Not long after Sept. 11, the liberals started joining the deranged Muslims and they started pushing the “find out the root cause” crap propaganda and the “USA is to blame” propaganda. And to this day, many liberals and Muslims are still the enemy, the enemy of Americans, the enemy of all mankind and the enemy of civilization.
This war isn’t over, it has barely begun and Sept. 11 wasn’t even the beginning, but it certainly was the day that awoken many people as to the intentions and agenda of the “religion of peace” (death cult from hell).
A bit OT, but on somewhat.
Today ms tfk and I went over to Rockwall Tx. to hear Congressman Ralp Hall (R) Texas talk on 9/11. Good talk about our response by Pres. Bush who called on Ralph’s experiance a lot while in office.
Ralp was a WWII carier pilot. He and Sam Johnson are best buds. He calls it like it is.
At the end of his talk he went off the prepared deal with this idea that he and other conservative House members are working on.
Rather than a Contract With America deal, he says they hope to call it the 10 Comandments of what to do regarding the work to “Re-take America” and the work after we re-take our Goverment.
He had some real good ones they have come up with so far, I’ll not put them all here, but, he did ask for input from Americans, so here is his web site in D.C. and his office in Rockwall, his main assistant is Tom Hughes a good guy too. Call or e-mail your ideas to them. Find out which other Congressmen are in the deal with him, and if it is your Congressman hand your ideas off to that one. If your’s is not in the deal ask them “why not?”.
One good one he and I agreed on after a bit of give and take.
Comandment # so and so….”Thou shall not fight friendly wars”.
Comandment # so and so….”Thou shall repeal Obama Care”
Comandment # so and so….
After that I looked him in the eye and said Ralph, this one too.
“Thou shall secure the Borders” and if the Congress and Senate does not do so they too should be un-elected or resign.
http://ralphhall.house.gov/
Rockwall Phone number …972-771-9118 Rockwall Fax number 972-722-0907
Washington D.C. number 202-225-6673 Washington Fax number 202-225-3332
He is correct, We the People must take our country back and we do need to set goals and work at it. IMNSHO
Kirly wrote:
Awww Kirls…thankee so much.
Just platonic? dammit! :kicks dirt:
HaHaHa
bar wrote:
Or at the very least put the bacon between the pages of the koran to insure that it picks up that deep-fried bacon flavor as you return it to hell.
ornery elephant wrote:
Only God knows where the future takes each person. Who knows where we will each be tomorrow, a year from now, 10 years from now. Only God. So, who knows? One think I do know – any woman should be honored to have your interest.
Daddy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UsFqVpm2OU
@ Wedges:
thank you.
Well, I went to take a nap, but I had the History Channel on and they are playing a lot on 9/11.
This last hour has been from the perspective of photographers who were there, shooting pictures and running for their lives… the pictures really capture what was going on…plus they talk about their experiences during the whole thing… and the day after…
Sometimes I think I must have been one of the last people in America to hear about the attacks. I was working graveyard shift and going to grad school in the evenings at the time in Santa Fe, so I probably went to bed just about the time the first plane hit.
When I got up that afternoon to get ready for class, I noticed the message light flashing on my phone. I picked it up to check my voicemail, and it was a call from school, saying that classes had been cancelled due to “the events in New York.”
Naturally, my first reaction to that was “WTF?” I couldn’t really think of anything that could have happened in NY that would affect UNM classes in Santa Fe.
Then I turned on the TV set. By this point, they were basically re-running the morning’s coverage in a loop, so it still took a while before I understood what had happened, since I’d turned it on somewhere in the middle.
That day, and the wars that followed, completely changed the course of my life for the next several years, of course. It was kind of ironic that I learned yesterday that I’m one of the few people in America who is basically barred from going to fight. It’s even more ironic that it’s due to cost concerns over my retirement, given how much money this administration’s flushed down the toilet already.
I live in Dublin, OH. At the time, I was traveling to Boston virtually every week. I was to go to Boston on 9-12 for a couple of days. On 9-11, I decided to stay around the house and not go into the office until 9:00am. I distinctly remember that morning going out to get the paper and noticing how clear the sky was.
I turned on the news about 8:30 and was watching as the reports came in. My mother called hysterical about 9:30 wondering if I was in Boston.
Here is what I was doing that day of day’s… I work in real estate development and construction I was getting ready to tear down my house to build a 12 unit cond building. Dave and I (Dave is a heavy machine operator) where setting up silt fence around some drainage areas to prep. on the site work. I went into the house to get some water and I had FOX news on and saw the 1st tower on fire and they had said a jet slammed into it. I thought that was very strange seeing as the shy was so blue. Just then I saw the second plain hit and I knew then that we where at war but did not know with whom. I went out doors and got Dave and we watched for a bit then got back to work. I turned the radio on in my truck and we listened to what was happening there where times I thought I was going to be sick with rage. Never forget never forgive
With each passing year, the events of 9/11 are just as heart-rending as the day they occurred.
I was working on a defense contract in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia that day. We were just getting off work and on the way back to our compound when the first aircraft struck the WTC. Our normal routine, once to our villa, was to turn on the TV and make dinner plans. I’d turned the TV on initially to CNN International, then Sky News, and then FOX, where they showed Tower One in flames. I distinctly remember seeing the clear blue sky and thinking “who the hell crashes into a skyscraper on a clear day like that?”, and thinking also that is was no accident. Moments later, I watched as the second jet slammed into Tower Two and immediately thought “G—— Saudis!” (yes that’s exactly what I’d thought!). We stood in stunned silence for a few moments as this was unfolding. And here we were, American civilians in what really IS a hostile nation, and wondering what’s next…
The next day, after enduring a rather harrowing 20-mile drive to the base, and after one of the Saudi students started verbally lashing out about how “America deserved it!” and all that bullshit, I just turned around and walked out of the room, went to my manager and asked to be sent back to the US. I refused to remain any longer. The money was great, but they could’ve paid me two grand a day to stay and I’d still went home. The Middle East has always been stuck in a Sixth Century mindset. I was ready to go home.
And I did not regret my decision for one moment. A few weeks after that, our compound was attacked by terrorists, in which three Saudi guards were killed, and several of the guys on our contract were seriously injured. The villas in which were were staying originally had been firebombed.
God Bless America. And may our enemies be crushed like cockroaches.
__________________
Here is my friend Mack last year relating his 911 experience:
Part 1
Part 2
He does this every year. Imagine that. He relives the murder of his brother (FDNY Ladder 3) and his best friend (worked at Cantor Fitzgerald) so that we never forget.
lobo91 wrote:
I know you think I am an asshole, and you are probably right, but please accept my heartfelt condolences. You have dedicated your life to serving the country and genuinely deserve better then this.
@ doriangrey:
Thank you.
@ lobo91:
{{{lobo}}}. My thoughts have been with you since I heard your news yesterday. There is no one I want more fighting for me and my children than you.
@ Calo:
Thank you.
@ lobo91:
What’s your MOS, SMG?
gulfloafer wrote:
My primary MOS is 74D (CBRNE Specialist).
I’m also qualified as an instructor, battle staff NCO, and in tactical information operations.
@ lobo91:
Is that why you were kind of bummin’ yesterday?
You are really “barred”?
I didnt like Islam since I was 5. In my 30 years nothing has changed my mind.
Saying hi from the sports bar.
@ savages_girl:
Yup. I’m officially forbidden from going on active duty for any purpose, because I’m too close to becoming eligible for active duty retirement pay.
@ lobo91:
My brother-in-law was a CBRNE reservist out of WV. That’s pretty jacked up they won’t let you deploy.
Rodan wrote:
I dont either, and here is my 9/11 rant for 9/11/10
@ Rodan:
Gators fan?
gulfloafer wrote:
Tell me about it.
I’ll probably go ahead and transfer to the Retired Reserve as soon as I find some sort of job, since it’s pretty clear that the Army has no further use for me.
@ lobo91:
Wow.
Sorry man (big hug)…
@ lobo91:
Just look at it as an opportunity to go in another direction.
Like I said to you on another thread yesterday, sometimes things happen for a reason and you don’t always know at the time what that reason is, but it usually reveals itself down the road.
You have a new relationship that seems to be going well. Maybe it is time for a change of direction from the Army path.
What do the Retired Reserves do?
@ lobo91:
Yeah, it sucks but you’ve been around long enough to know how the game is played. Have you thought about going over as a civilian contractor?
savages_girl wrote:
Unfortunately, the only “other direction” that seems open to me at the moment is basically over a cliff.
The Retired Reserves don’t do anything. I’ll still have an ID card, and get to use the PX and commissary, but that’s about it until I turn 60, at which time I’ll start drawing my retirement pay.
Assuming I’m still around at that point.
gulfloafer wrote:
I have, but I haven’t been able to find anything I’m qualified for.
@ doriangrey:
We should have turned Afaghanistan into Carthage II with radioactive residue. Not one stone on top of another, if you know what I mean.
Iron Fist wrote:
Yes I do and I totally agree, we didnt and now look at the mess we have.
@ lobo91:
A pulse should be qualification enough for Afgahnistan. Saturate the market with your resume you might be surprised who contacts you.
gulfloafer wrote:
You would think so, but it doesn’t seem to be the case.
There’s actually a pretty large pool of people for them to choose from these days.
Lobo, you in New Mexico? Want to be a prison guard? I didn’t but you can make 35k your first year, no experience needed. Or truck driving, although the money isn’t as good.
lobo91 wrote:
Hey sorry to hear they pulled back your orders. I can’t say I am surprised.
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Assuming I’m still around at that point.
Worried here. Really worried about you Lobo. Let us know you are OK.
Rancher wrote:
I’m in Colorado, although I did grow up in NM. Relocating isn’t really an option at the moment.
And I’m kind of old to get into that field, anyway.
Calo wrote:
I’m fine, at the moment.
Can’t say where I’ll be a few months from now, though. I’m nearing the end of my unemployment eligibility, and the “Obama recovery” doesn’t seem to have made it here, yet.
lobo91 wrote:
Has it actually made it anywhere besides DC???
@ doriangrey:
The “Obama Recovery” is limited to people who suck the government tit for a living. Since the military actually work for their pay, they aren’t eligible…
Iron Fist wrote:
Cough cough, with all due disrespect to this administration The “Obama Recovery” is limited to people who are not white who suck the government tit for a living.
@ lobo91:
You’ll be ok. Get that application out there.
@ Iron Fist:
I say destroy Saudi Arabia, Iraq, let IUndia destroy Pakistan and let israel wipe out South Shiite Lebanon.
Do these 3 acts, and the Islamic scum would bury their heads for a few centuries.
I’m having Jamaican style Ribs to say fuck you to Islam!
@ Iron Fist:
It’s the Obama Boom!
/
One of the oddities of living on the Weat Coast was that a great deal of that day occurred any many of us were completely unaware of it. While people were experiencing terror, I was reading USA today on a BART train heading to Oakland. I get off, go to the gym, get changed, head out to the treadmill, turn on the personal TV to FOX NEWS and saw the hole in the Pentagon. It took me time to catch up to what had happened that day.
I have a friend that works in Tower Two. Her husband in Tower One. I can only imagine the heartbreak and terror of those that had loved ones in those buildings watching as the towers fell. I remember Rudy Giuliani the day he became America’s Mayor. And New York’s Finest and New York’s Bravest became our new American heroes. I don’t think any of us ever look at a firefighter the same way again.
Yesterday, Mark Levin played the 9-1-1 calls from people in the Towers. I had to reapply my mascara. I actually have to reapply my mascara every time I think of that day. But by all means, don’t show us the true horror experienced by our fellow Amnericans that day – a horror so awful that one fireman stated “how bad must it be there, that jumping is the only alternative?”
Or the fireman who watched Tower Two begin to fall and say “Cap – our guys are up there!!” To which the Captain responded – “Tommy, everybody’s guys are up there.”
The next day, United Airlines, in a memorial, took a full page in major newspapers. There was one line that stuck out, and I may be paraphasing: “It was a day that the best of humanity met the worst.”
gulfloafer wrote:
They are deep here. I have no dog as I’m an NFL guy.
Rodan wrote:
Spawn of gulf will be attending U of F in the future.
@ gulfloafer:
AH cool! That’s good to hear!
On 911 I was getting ready for work when my friend called and told me to turn on the TV… The first airplane had just hit, and the speculation was pilot error had cased the accident… My intuition was different. The skies were were clear so there would be no reason a pilot would just fly into the WTC. It soon came to the surface that it was intentional, and later, when the smoke cleared (pun in 10 did) fingers were pointing at Bin Laden.
It used to be a hijacking would mean some guy with an accent would say to the pilot “take me to Havana” and the plane would sit on the tarmac until a suitcase full of money showed up.
Not any longer.
My name is Christine Hanson.
I am only two years old.
I am going for a ride,
or thats what I am told.
I am sitting here quietly,
next to my mom and dad.
I am having a fun time.
Everyone seems glad.
Why is he yelling Daddy?
Please tell me what’s wrong!
Please don’t cry Mommy,
this ride won’t be that long!
Why are we getting up
and moving to the back?
Why is everyone crying?
Why is she being attacked?
What did I do wrong?
Why are they yelling at us?
Why is everyone screaming?
What is all the fuss?
I thought you said that
this plane ride would be fun.
Is this a game Mommy?
Am I it, am I the one?
I think I will hide behind you,
so that I don’t get caught.
Daddy this isn’t fun anymore!
This isn’t what I thought.
Why do I see buildings
right out the next window?
Shouldn’t we stop now?
Shouldn’t we go slow?
What was that loud boom?
Why do I see fire?
What just happened Daddy?
We should have been higher!
We have hit a building,
the World Trade Center I think.
I am slowly dying now.
I can’t open my eyes to blink.
Where are you Mommy?
Why can’t I hear your voice?
Why did they drive us here?
This wasn’t our choice.
My name is Christine Hanson,
I am only two years old.
We were going for a plane ride.
That’s what we were told.
I’ll never go to prom.
I wont reach the age of three.
Why did this happen to these people?
Why did this happen to me?
POEM WRITTEN BY: STEPHANIE CARTER (age 16)
@ mjazz:
That is probably the most moving poetry I’ve ever read.
@ mjazz:
Just….wow.
doriangrey wrote:
That’s about the size of it.
I’d just gotten out of the shower, and the Missus had the TV on, said that a plane had hit one of the WTC towers. I was thinking an idiot in a Cessna bounced off of one. Got dressed and headed out to work.
As I was pulling out of the driveway, my neighbor pulled up. He’s a Samoan guy, works retrofitting buildings with fire sprinklers, and said that the library tower in L.A. had been evacuated and everyone had been sent home. He also said that a second plane had struck the WTC, the Pentagon had been hit, and there was another plane still in the air. I thought he was kidding me, and I smiled. He responded with a glare that froze me.
It wasn’t until I got to the office that I realized the enormity of the attacks, as we watched the towers fall on a portable TV.
My emotions didn’t really kick in until I came home, watched replays of people leaping to their deaths to escape the toxic smoke and flames, watched the towers collapse again. I lost all semblance of composure.
Mid 90′s New York City!
Rodan wrote:
yup
@ BuddyG:
Islam is a collectivist movement like Nazism, Communism and Maoism.
I’m sure I have told this before. I had just crossed the state line into Tn. Pulling a horse trailor loaded with horses heading for Kentucky. I took an exit somewhere right across the line to get gas and stopped at this BP station. The kind that has a convenience store. As I was hanging up the pump I glanced inside the store and saw several people slapping hands and laughing. I walked on up to the door and went inside and walked to the back to get a coke. When I came inside they immediately went silent. But the T.v. set was on CNN and I stopped to look. I stood there what seemed forever letting all this sink in and also sinking in that these people in there, Asian is all I knew then.Were rejoicing over the planes hitting the towers. I didn’t want to watch anymore. I was actually sick and so angry that it was all I could do to pay these sons.of.bitches. and get out before I was looking at prison.
And today, the Muslim in chief needed to remind us about tolerance.Yeah tolerance. Tolerance to these ghouls means submission.And like it or not…we are at war with Islam.If they are at war with us and they are, to say otherwise is sheer stupidity.
Who would have thought that thousands of years ago,some pervert would invent a vile cult and call it a religion and use it in the civilized world as a shield. Too bad serial killers or mass murderers didnt think of that. Death to the Islamic bastards.
@ Rodan:
islam is a weird religious collective. Sort of a large scale Jim Jones’ People’s Temple.
BuddyG wrote:
Sort of like LGF and Charlie fatback johnson. All cowards to.
@ BuddyG:
It’s an Arabic based Imperialist Movement.
I was home alone,200 miles away from the city and just about to walk out the door for work when I got a phone call from one of my staff asking if I was watching the news.As I was running late, I never turned on the tv or radio that morning. I sat down right where I’m sitting now,grabbed the remote and turned on ‘the news’ – what channels ? I no longer remember – they all looked pretty much the same that morning. I remained on the phone with the caller and we speculated about how this plane could have managed to hit the first tower.Since the 2nd tower hadn’t been hit yet, it still appeared to be likely an ‘accident’, yet I had this uncomfortable feeling of ‘hmmmm, what are the odds ?’.It just seemed to be a million in one shot that a pilot, even having lost control of the plane (hydraulic failure, whatever) would strike this one building dead on that way it had. But, not being a ‘conspiracy theory’ kinda guy, I told myself ‘it is what it is’, keep that thought submerged, don’t let it rise to the ‘conscious’ – stay rational, stick with the known facts and wait for more info. Don’t start speculatin’ with this co-worker.Then she asked me if I thought it was ‘done on purpose’ ? It occurred to me that part of my job was to do my best to keep heads cool in emergency situations. Wild speculation could have people panicking and walking off the job – something that can not be allowed to happen in our line of work. I decided the best thing was to offer a few reassuring words then get off the phone and head down there to work.But before I even had the chance to stand up, the 2nd plane hit.And that as they say ‘is/was that’,instant recognition – it was a terrorist attack. As horrible as the events up to that point had been,it wasn’t until the 1st tower began to fall that a feeling of ‘surreal – this can not be happening…’ washed over me. Until this point I had felt nothing but blind rage:“You F*CKERS, YOU F*CKIN’ F*CKERS, you’re gonna PAY !!”
I had turned on the radio out in my kitchen and could hear it from where I was sitting, eyes glued to the TV in my living room. The radio was tuned to the “Howard Stern” show. He and his gang were commenting on the events too, they were as dumb founded as any one else. Suddenly I heard a muffled ‘Oh my G_d’ (or similar).It was Stern co-host Robin Quivers – she had picked up on the 1st tower beginning to fall, before I or anyone else had noticed.
When I recognized that the tower was indeed starting to go down,as bad as things had been up to this moment, that realization that it was truly beginning to fall was when it all became too much… a worse feeling then the ‘hairs standing on end’,I slowly,increasingly felt like I was in some bad dream, a sci/fi movie/ waking nightmare come true.Being here alone contributed greatly to this feeling and suddenly I didn’t want to be ‘alone’.They say that ‘radio is theater of the mind’. Normally yes, but not on this day as ‘Robin’ (Quivers) and I were watching the exact same event at the exact same moment and it felt more like she was a neighbor standing out in my kitchen commenting on what she was watching happen on the kitchen TV as I sat in my living room watching same, rather than her voice coming through a little boxed speaker, broadcast from some 200 miles away to a large, anonymous audience, who I just happened to be one of.For a few brief seconds it was like she was here – but then the realization that if I were to walk out to the kitchen there would be nobody there – I was still alone. A Very bizarre sensation, hard to describe. At this point I focused on Stern and crew as they were right there in mid-town Manhattan and they each had some serious decisions to make.The ‘drama’ going on there in their studio was compelling and it gave a better picture of what was going on there than any of the commentators on TV.I started thinking about my kids who, for what I knew, were already in school for the day (we’re 200 miles from NYC so no imminent danger) and I decided to call their mom (my ex) at her job to confirm this and for the chance to talk to someone I’ve known longer than anyone else on the planet other than my direct family – even if she is my ‘ex’. My 1st words to her were ‘ya know WW III just began right ?’. No sooner than those words left my mouth, I regretted saying them as I felt they were probably an over reaction and I didn’t want her to get panicked – just wanted to make sure she fully understand the seriousness of these events (its a ‘flaw’ of mine but I’m workin’ on it). She calmly replied ‘yup’ and that she planned on leaving work early and would see to the kids when she got back to town. I next tried to contact my family – mom, siblings, all of whom lived in the ‘burbs of NYC. I remembered my bro-in-law worked on Wall St. Damn, wonder if he’s ok ? And it was his daughters 6th birthday too ! The lines were all down, no way of knowing.Time to get in my car and head out of town to work. I picked up Sterns show on my cars FM – they kept me company on my drive in.The morning was exactly as it is here today weather wise. Cloudless and a brilliant blue sky. No ominous clouds, cracks of thunder or shards of lightening electrifying the air. No screaming people running out into the streets, no sirens, no screeching of tires or police on bull horns. This was the most eerie part – just a strange,lonely stillness. Nothing seemed to be moving but me in my car.It was like the world was a plastic Lionel toy train table layout. I had no sense of the living other than the voices coming through the radio speakers as they described the events 200 miles away. No one on the streets – where the hell is everyone ? Oh yeah, probably indoors glued to the TV like you were only minutes ago. Finally, about 5 miles down the road, I spotted a car heading my way in the north bound lane. The speed limit is 65 but he wasn’t driving anywhere near the limit. As we were on a 6 lane highway – the opposite directions 3 lanes were separated from mine by a wide grassy meridian, this guy/car was approx. 150′ away as he passed by me. I kept my eye on him as he approached hoping to exchange a wave, a nod of the head – anything, just some ‘sign’ of acknowledging that he and I were experiencing the same,that we’re on the same wave length, sharing the same reality. He was riding with his window down, his left elbow resting casually on the sill of his cars door. As he drew abreast of me, I eagerly waited for that turn of his head toward me – I had a real need to connect with anther living soul right that minute. He never once looked my way.He too looked ‘fake’ behind his dark shades.Maybe he doesn’t have his radio on – maybe he’s been on the road for 2hours, the entire time listening to ‘The Best of Sinatra’ and he doesn’t have a clue ?
Hell, until you got the phone call, you had no clue ! How is it that theres not some great shiver,an ever expanding one like the concentric circular ripples in the water after you’ve tossed a rock in, spreading out and touching every living soul when such an enormous, simultaneous loss of life occurs like this…why does it take a phone call or a knock on the door to find out ? Like theres the reality of those who ‘know’, separate from those of us that ‘don’t know’,they add to their column of the ‘reality’ ledger phone call by phone call until we’re all ‘in the know’ column ? One moment I’m runnin’ around tryin’ to get to work on time, its of paramount importance – where are my damned keys ! Then ‘ring’…in an instant the priorities change, my reality of a second ago now gone forever.
What ‘column’ is that guy heading in the opposite direction from me in ? Maybe…maybe he knows something I’ve yet to find out and this is why he’s headin’ in the opposite direction from me – I just haven’t got the damn call yet ! Stern wouldn’t know if the Indian Point Nuclear Reactor had been hit or not would he ? Hes got a signal out but maybe not a signal ‘in’ ? OK, no matter, I’ll be to work in a few minutes.I have the entire highway to myself again,the lack of traffic reminiscent of back in the early 60′s when on vacation up here with my family, up here in what was the wilderness – the days of Saturday mornings watching re-runs of ‘The Day The Earth Stood Still” – only now I felt like the movies fiction had come to life and I was in it ! “The twin towers are no longer standing…gone. Damn, how can this be ? I stayed there at the Hilton between those 2 giants, lived there for a week. Looked over to the north tower from the top of the south tower and now they are gone ? The people – how many people ? Gone in an instant !”. I’m so far away from there, its too damn quiet.
I began to wonder why the hell I was leaving town, leaving my kids behind – who knows what might be next ? Should I do a quick u-turn and grab my kids from school ? No, I have a responsibility to my job, their mom is going to have to see to them.What if things got MUCH worse, would they forgive me for ‘abandoning’ them ? Would I forgive me ? Maybe the school has decided on an ‘early release’? OK, drop it, you have to go to work,end of story. Back to Stern and the very real drama going down in that radio studio – he was asking his staff “Who needs to leave ? Who was experiencing real ‘panic’ ?” Stern said he was staying on the air no matter what but he understood anyone feeling they needed to get the hell off that island and he encouraged them to do so if its what their gut was telling them to do.They were not in anywhere near the danger the Police/Fire/EMTs and the workers at the WTC were in but no one knew at that moment what might come next. As I had no visual ‘feedback’ while in my car, this radio show now became ‘theater of the mind’. I could only imagine the sights and sounds as he described them from his vantage point in mid-town. I finally arrived at work – the rest of the day spent trying to keep on task, trying to get the essential work done in between talking with coworkers and darting out to the TV so as to keep abreast of the latest news/events. By noon it appeared the danger was over, we were no longer ‘under attack’. I called home, the kids were ok. Later that evening, now back home,we all attended an impromptu candle light vigil in the park for those who had died this day, those who were yet to be accounted for. I’ll never forget John Glenns orbit ’round the earth,the Cuban Missile Crisis,JFKs assassination,the Apollo 204/Apollo 1 fire/tragedy,the day Neil Armstrong walked on the moon and the ‘Challenger’ shuttle tragedy but, maybe due to the differences in age when I experienced those events, none of them had the impact that the events of this day has had on me – not even close…
Just one insignificant, humble and thankful guys thoughts/remembrance of that day.
G_d bless all the brave men and woman who gave their all that day,those that gave their lives, the families who lost their loved ones and…
NEVER FORGET !!
Grimcargo wrote:
Because they’ve decided “religion” was responsible, not any specific one of course. They are all the same.
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A cautionary reminder for all people of faith. We must watch our own and ourselves as fanaticism comes to the unbalanced human easily.
Food Lion wrote:
Just when you think they can’t be any dumber. These people are undeserving to even live in America.
Carolina Girl wrote:
That is the thing that gets me worst of all.
Chucky gets bashed!
Vile, pernicious, obsessed and deranged….
@ lobo91:
Ummmm, hate to burst yer alls bubble but where I live happens to be 100% ‘white’ and we have plenty of scummy white Gov’t. titty suckers here too.In fact theres a law enforcement campaign on now to bust all these welfare/unemployment benefits scammers and re claim the money they’ve cheated us honest tax payers out of.They are known in these parts as ‘white trash’ or as some call ‘em,’trailer trash’. Plenty of sex offenders too. Unreal, seems not a day goes by that one ain’t in the news. Its a ‘white’ thing too. Oh, and I forgot to mention ‘crack addicts’ by the hundreds also.
Great Song!
@ 4_Sticks:
I remember thinking, at least, this will make it clear to the American people the degree of danger that we are in, and the need to take seriously the Muslim threat to our continued existence.
Evidently, I was wrong.
George W. Bush didn’t get it either, and Obama – well, all I can say is that he is one of the enemy, not one of us. If GWB and the news media had refrained from whitewashing Islam in the aftermath of the attack, the non-Muslim world would be far better off today.
It will take a lot more EDUCATION for the American people to understand the danger, and by that, I mean we have to combat all of the DISinformation that is still being promulgated.
I believe that we are finally beginning to turn the corner, though it has been a very long, slow process.
@ Grimcargo:
Charles has become Kos. What a pathetic little man.
@ Grimcargo:
“Fanatical” – in their book – means I object to those who use “religion” as a platform to call for the wholesale slaughter of Christians, Jews, and anybody else who does not join their evil system.
The 80′s kicked ass!
4_Sticks wrote:
A lot of honest African-Americans have been put out of work by the Obamaconomy.
doriangrey wrote:
you forgot Syria.
@ Rodan:
he needs to stick to this.
@ 1389AD:
No, no, no! That is OK. Faqnatical is saying homosexuality is a sin! If you don’t acknowledge that the homosexual act between men in the streets of San Franscisco is the most beautiful thing about this country, you are a religious fanatic, and should be burned at the stake!
Hey we have a new thread below.
@ 1389AD:
Lots of people out of work thanks to the Obameconomy. He’s on track to erase all the gains of the last 50 years.
He’s got two more years to destroy this country. You know he’ll do his level best to get it all done by 2012…
lobo91 wrote:
Oldest graduate from the academy was 58 but I understand. When we sold the ranch I had to start over at 40.
@ 1389AD:
If you ever see that “as it happens” documentary by the French brothers who were making a documentary about being a rookie in the FDNY and by happenstance probably have the only footage of the plane hitting World One, the most haunting and unbearable sound is the footable of the command post in the lobby of World One, where you hear the sound of people jumping from the upper floors when the hit the glass of the entranceway. Every time you hear that sound, it’s a stab in your heart.
But we can’t see the video of these people jumping to their deaths, because that would “upset people.” Maybe its about time that the complacent assholes who think this is over should get a load of reality shoved in their faces.
Starting with the despicable owner of a blog who apparently has forgotten now that it is no longer economically or politically feasible to remember.
In other words, FUCJ
@ Carolina Girl:
We’d burn a lot more than Korans if it were really put out there. Note that it isn’t the Mohammedans hiding it. They are proud of their acrtions arnd are downright provocative in their posture. No it is our erstwhile “leaders” who have decided to keep the hard truth from us so that we can be lulled by the “Islam is Peace” mantra. Islam isn’t peace. Islam is slavery.
lobo91 wrote:
That’s evil.
Are there any lawyers who could advise you?
@ mjazz:
Damn.
Carolina Girl wrote:
I could hug you for that comment!
{Carolina Girl}
Should any one be interested, ‘White Heat’ is just starting on TCM !
Love IT !!
@ Carolina Girl:
PEOPLE NEED TO BE UPSET.
If people aren’t upset, they won’t get rid of the dhimmis, Quislings, and actual jihadis in our government, media, academia, think tanks, NGOs, etc. etc. etc.
All of them need to LEAVE.
And I mean leave American soil FOREVER (unless they prefer to be buried under it in an unmarked grave).
Palestinians celebrating the fall of the Twin Towers on 9-11
Know your enemy.
Food Lion wrote:
Little?
@ Food Lion:
Little?
@ Lost:
Right back at ya.
@ 1389AD:
Those apeasement “COEXIST” bumper sticker jerks will be the first ones to wonder what happens when they’re outdoors at the Starbucks and a Splodeydope asshole decides it’s time for his 72 white raisins.
@ Rodan:
As long as y’all got yer Muslim hate hats on, this is kind of amusing. From Soylent Green:
@ Bunk X:
Evidence.
1389AD wrote:
Did others beside Fox show that?
Rancher wrote:
Dunno, but I doubt it.
4_Sticks wrote:
Those weren’t the people we were talking about.
We were talking about the massive expansion of the federal workforce.
I have an MPA, 30 years of military experience, and get veterans’ preference, and I can’t even get an interview.
I’m clearly unqualified, being a white male citizen.
I was at work on that fateful day for about a half-hour when word of the attack came down by way of word of mouth. The net was frozen, and no one was able to access it and no one could get any work done for the entire day. Most of us were just sitting around trying to make sense of it all. After noon our bosses just told everyone to go home, and so I did.
When I got home I turned it onto CBS and watched Dan Rather warning everyone about the graphic footage and language. Yes, I heard the lady screaming “Jesus F***ing Christ!” and it was NOT censored. The first and only words out of my mouth were YOU SONS OF BITCHES! After that I didn’t say much for the next couple of days or so, I was as stunned as everyone else.
I had the day off from work, so I had slept in and caught it later on an automotive message board. Then I turned on the news and saw the replays and followed all the developments.
It took a little while for me to take in all the visuals. I kinda figured that one of those zealots would do something dramatic eventually, but I never would have guessed the hijack plane and use it as a missle tactic. The bastards caught us with our fly open.
or I think “pants down” was the expression I was looking for…
Geert Wilders’ speech at 9-11 gathering
Rodan wrote:
LOL. Sheik Yermami hates Chuckles with a passion. He’s an Aussie who has spent a lot of time in the MidEast and has seen the Muzz up close and personal.
@ 1389AD:
I dunno, maybe I read it wrong…I did go back and read it at least 3 times over – figuring I had to be missing something. The way I read that post was that only minorities (non white) collect from the Gov’t. I find it hard – almost impossible to believe any one here could think this. I also noticed no other protests to that addition to Fists post by Dorrian. What am I missing ? I REALLY don’t want to think this is what was meant…I very badly don’t want to think this was what was meant !! I was called a ‘racist’ over at the swamp which pissed me off to no end because I’m anything but. I don’t wanna hang with ‘em either. I’m no ‘pc’ bleeding heart but whats wrong is wrong and I want no part of it. I’m aware that the rules here allow people to speak their mind with out fear of being booted.
I like that. But we’re responsible for what we say and there are other ramifications for what we say – like being called out on it.
Since I seem to be the only one who had a problem with that ‘addition’ theres only 2 possibilities – I’m dense as hell (a distinct possibility) and I’m ‘missin’ something’ or everyone that
has read that post is cool with it. I’d rather it be the former than the latter actually as I like it here. Help me out here if you’d be so kind…
* And I’m readin’ and a postin’ here with one eye/ear on the TCM
8 o’clock movie ‘White Heat’ so I might not be with the program, my apologies if I’m way off base.
Texas Fred: Obama commemorates 9/11 with appeal for tolerance
Fred lets Obozo have it with both barrels.
@ 4_Sticks:
Although Virginia Mayo would have been 90 this November (I’d rather not think about that), in this movie she gets me heart a racin’, my brain all twitterpaited. Yowza !! Yum-yum. Yeah, I’m ‘distracted’.
@ 4_Sticks:
As I already said, we weren’t talking about welfare leeches. I’m well aware of the fact that there are more whites than minorities on welfare. That stands to reason, given the numbers involved.
We were talking about the expansion of the federal workforce, which has been overwhelmingly concentrated in the DC area.
And as someone who’s been trying to get a federal job off and on for the past decade, I can tell you that it’s next to impossible for a white male US citizen to get hired.
There was no racism involved in those comments. They were simply an expression of facts.
4_Sticks wrote:
@ 1389AD:
Fantastic! Geert Wilders is the Sobieski of our day, uniting the West against Islam.
@ 1389AD:
I guess I have only one barrel’s worth.
Greetings friends,
Well, I was there today downtown. My report is getting there. Still more video and photos to upload, but if anyone wants a peek. ..
1389AD wrote:
Geert was great today. There were tons of people. I think Geraldo just said on FOX that there were only 1500! What a lie. He wasn’t even there. There were thousands.
@ 1389AD:
Let’s tolerate Charlie Manson’s religious beliefs/
mjazz wrote:
I’m surprised the La Raza crowd isn’t pushing to be allowed to practice human sacrifice, like the Aztecs…
lobo91 wrote:
give ‘em time. eventually i think they just might.
Kirly wrote:
Guess which humans they’ll want to pick.
And guess who will fight back.
Urban Infidel wrote:
Is Fox partly Muslim-owned these days?
Petrodollars…
@ mfhorn:
I just read this poem/lyrics. It broke through the numbness of this day and brought me to tears but also brought me a sense of peace. Thank you for posting this.
@ Bunk X:
Sorry I didn’t respond right away. I didn’t realize there was a Bogart flick directly after the Cagney one I had been watching – I got distracted, forgot I even left a post hanging out there (here) !
Lobo – I feel/felt your pain. I went through similar in the 70′s. I come from a line of State Troopers, my brother and I both grew up patiently awaiting the day we’d be old enough to take the ‘test’ so as to follow in our dads/uncles foot steps. When I became ‘of age’,
My dad was disgusted by the changes in these hiring practices and retired as soon as he could. He assured me I was better off finding another line of work – so I did.
I was told not to even waste my time, I didn’t have a chance unless I could convince ‘em I was a female or a minority. Hey, thats what I was told
I’m glad you all took the time to respond and clear this matter up for me, not that you had any obligation to do so. I wasn’t feeling real good for awhile here. I drown my sorrows in film noir !
I know I am late, and the thread is OT, and I am new, and I…but this is the first chance today to sit and think, if even for a minute.
I was working on a flagstone walk in Paoli, PA, with one laborer. I am not a fan of commercials so, back then, I listened to 88.5 (that weirdo station as my kids still call it). A song ended, the dj came on and announced that word had come down that a plane had hit the World Trade Center; I immediately looked at the sky, we were only 2 hours away by car, it was clear. My mind went right to purposeful, although I was thinking piper cub, suicide type thing. Back to music, back to the walkway. The homeowner stepped out and asked if we had heard about the plane, I said yes, that it was odd, and she agreed and went back inside. Top of the hour news started early to report the crash in New York City, this time with a bigger plane reported, then, another song must have started at about 9:02. That song was interrupted by the report of the second plane and out came the homeowner again, this time close to tears, you see, her husband worked on Wall Street, he would normally have been close, but was at the Malvern office that day. She was distraught, shaken, and managed to spook my non-english speaking laborer. Still thinking this was small planes and now thinking along the lines of terrorism, we went back to work and she went inside. When the first tower fell, she came back out, full tears this time, needing a hug, and asking us to come in a sit with her. We did; we watched the second tower fall, listened to reports of planes crashing in PA, in DC, and the sporadic bomb reports that peppered the news that day.
Eventually we went back to work, her husband was coming home, no market work, and we did have a sidewalk to build. As we shook up the hardening mortar, the laborer asked, “Guerra?” I replied, “Si.”
@ 4_Sticks:
My first experience with that was when I applied for the Border Patrol.
I scored a 98 on the test, and I get a 5 point veterans’ preference (combat service, but not wounded). That gives me the equivalent of 103 out of 100.
I didn’t even get an interview.
When I was finishing up my masters degree, I applied for the Presidential Management Intern program. In that program, you get hired as a GS-9 for the first year, then they make you a GS-11 the second year. At the end of the 2 year program, you’re eligible to be hired on a permanent basis as a GS-12. Basically, it’s a fast-track federal management trainee program.
I was selected as a finalist. All I needed was an agency to hire me.
I didn’t get so much as a response letter from any agency I applied to.
@ gtdragon:
Good to see you here!
Welcome to Blogmocracy!
@ lobo91:
Age discrimination?
1389AD wrote:
I don’t think they had anything that indicated my age.
They did have the demographic forms, though, that showed that I was a non-Hispanic white male.
In the first instance, I was only 30, anyway. I was 41 for the second one.
@ 1389AD:
Thanks, been reading for a few weeks, testing the waters so to speak!
@ gtdragon:
Welcome gtdragon!
Thanks for posting that. I look forward to more of your comments.
@ gtdragon:
Welcome!
Come down to the ONT. That’s where its all happening!
@ Lost:
Overnight thread – click here
I know my post is coming at the end of the day, but I would like to share my memories of the day that change all of our lives.
I was in my senior year of high school. It was second period, and due to scheduling conflicts I had to take my band class during that period. The second period band class was for beginners and so I was responsible for my own lessons. Sitting in a private practice room, the announcement came over the speakers that a plane had struck the Trade Center. I thought to myself, “Gee, that pilot had to have been an idiot. How do you hit a building so large?” I continued practicing and before the end of the period the announcement came across that the other tower and the Pentagon had been hit. It was at that exact moment that I knew we would be going to war. My heart sank. I had never really known war. The only one I had lived through was Desert Storm, and that wasn’t the same as this. The halls were full of tension and a heavy sense of dread. The rest of my classes that day, and really for the next three days, were not focused on regular lessons, but discussions on the events that happened. The best class I had was my level 4 German class. Our teacher was excellent and he liked to allow us the chance to hash things out in a way most other teachers would feel uncomfortable with. I, being a bit of an “extremist”, thought that we should spare no avenue for retaliation. Most other kids had the lets not be to harsh attitude. I was pissed. This was my generations Pearl Harbor, but worse. The Japenese had the decency to hit a military target. These barbarians had to hit areas with a high amount of civilians. I watched the news footage at home later, and I cried. I still cry everytime I hear one of those gut-wrenching phone calls to loved ones. I still cry when I see people jump to their death rather than burn. This is one of the most defining moments in human history. It is our duty to preserve the memory of this trajedy and make sure that the world is a better place going forward. Thank you for letting me share my memories of that day.
/As a side note, I think that 9/11 should be a Federal Holiday. There is a group on Facebook that is trying to make that happen. If you have an account you should look them up.
My contribution to the memory of the sad day…….it is still 9/11/’10 on the west coast…..
But, this is to show that the death toll is still mounting….. ):
THIS is what Islam is all about.
WARNING…horrific photo…
The Martyrs of Otranto
@ gtdragon:
Welcome aboard! Nice to have you.
I’m one of the admins.
hello everyone! This has to be a driveby – I’m having eyesight issues (again! the corneal erosion thing) but wanted to pass this essay on.
Dead US soldiers, like the Constitution, are only of interest when they’re a handy talking point. If dead US soldiers were of interest to the media or General Petraeus, perhaps there might be some interest in just how many US soldiers have died in Afghanistan because they were denied proper aerial support or the right to fire on their assailants under McChrystal and Petraeus’s Rules of Engagement, which put the focus on appeasing Muslims, over the lives of American boys on the front line.
But like the Constitution, the bodies of American soldiers must burn, in the name of Muslim sensitivities.
This guy pulls no punches
@ eaglesoars:
I hope that your eyesight issues get taken care of. Keep us posted.
Bunk X wrote:
It’d be good and transparent if you would name the handful of bigots.So that the non bigots would know once and for all.
@ PaladinPhil:
What Phil said. “Never forgive, never forget.”
@ ornery elephant:
We’re flying to the U.K. today for a two week holiday. We’re onlying stopping in London for a connection to Glasgow, so I’ll have to check the news to see if they haven’t dropped it into the fourth dimension or somewhere.
eaglesoars wrote:
And if some Muslim either at home or abroad commits some evil and uses the excuse that he is “offended” about the Koran being burned, the proper response is to take our gloves off and to strike back HARD at the perpetrator and at everyone who has been aiding and abetting the perpetrator.
SINCE WHEN do we go around being afraid of offending our avowed ENEMIES who have already declared WAR against us? That’s what a fatwa against us is – it is both a declaration of war and an enemy mobilization order!
I am just furious beyond words.
I was in Wheeling WVa, had been recently married, and was working on the first project for my new general contracting business. My wife called me right before nine to tell me that a plane had flown into the WTC. I went to the basement of the one hundred year old shingle style victorian that I was blowing the back out for a new kitchen/family/garage addition and turned on the customers TV. I saw the tower and its wound and told my wife that it was no accident. She said that the news was still speculating over if it was an errant civil aviation accident. I told her, no way was that kind of damage from a small plane, and that it was a terror incident. She asked if it was Arafat. I told her, no way, they have nothing to gain by that these days, and in the past they would normally strike something with a hard connection to Israel. I told her it was the same group people who had struck the tower in 1993, a coalition lead by a cleric and son of a Saudi construction magnate. How would have a mere general contractor in small town of the Ohio Valley, a deep unremarkable recess of ‘flyover country’, have such expectations, and come to such a conclusion of certitude so quickly?
Since I had been a child I had an interest in global politik, the maneuvers and machinations of governments and interest groups as they vied for influence over one another and the resources needed to accomplish and preserve self interests, I believe the polite term for this is International Relations. I still have a paper from an eleventh grade (1977) history class on Israel’s Foreign Policy, which is an exhibit of how early on I was engaged as an amateur observer of the region. Even though I was one of many people who day to day parsed information sources for meaning and direction in global affairs, I always remained an amateur and never entered the professional class of analysts as was my desire as an adolescent. Even after college and an undergrad degree in political economy, I did not ultimately pursue that career. Among several reasons being my rearing among the mid to upper level career bureaucrats and military service officers in Washington D.C., and my general distrust of them from both personal interactions, and summations on their character and motives from my once Naval CPO father, and then current small business owner catering to some of the logistical needs of their agencies and offices. My critical eye for seeing through the fog of careerism, abject self interest, and base human nature detached from avowed moral principals that prevails in those higher echelons of public service, was later expanded to the lauded halls of the corporate world while working as a clerk in multinational oil companies Office of Corporate Counsel. This later experience in and around the halls of influence and control occurred as I took a break in my education, and was choosing whether being an attorney or a foreign service worker was to be in my future; neither of which appealed much to both my stomach or heart by then from my cumulative experiences among the nomenklatura as both a child and young adult. In 1983 I began to work in construction trades, hoping I would be content as a ‘simple man’ who’s mind to not have to be weighted with the affairs of kings as their constant mental and emotional demands made me weary and not happy or satisfied in the least. In short the more I learned how corrupted things were the less I wanted to do with them out of conscious, and felt from a rational assessment to be helpless to contribute change from within such a leviathan. Nevertheless, I never did completely turn away and all through my future as a hardhat, was still an avid follower and reader of events of consequence for nations, and subscribed to several publications in my areas of geopolitical interests.
Back to September 11, 2001, my perception and experiences of that day, and why I formed and observed them as I did. I had been to NYC in October of 2000 for a CLE seminar with my soon to be wife. This was my first time in the city with enough time on my hands to be a tourist, and during the five days we were there, I visited both the Empire State and the World Trade Center. The ESB at the time had a multimedia experience called ‘Flying New York’ or something to that effect, where you sat in an IMAX type theater and ‘flew’ around the city on a tour. In It you flew at, around, or over the WTC (I can’t recall the fligh path precisely). Now, included in the buildings’ historical displays chronicles at the time, was an item about the bomber that hit it during transit during WWII. Now, during this theater experience, my crazy hyper-analytical cynical mind went, wow I wonder how the WTC or ESB would handle a strike from a modern commercial airliner. Later in the day I went to observe and photograph a Pali protest near the Israeli Consulate. I hadn’t been around any of them since 1994 when I left Israel at the time of the optimistic outset of the Oslo Accords. I had forgotten what a terrible bunch they could be when they weren’t getting their way, and while walking away from the protest after being jostled constantly and having my camera struck from my hands, I had another inspirational flash. My question from the theater about airplanes striking buildings, and the just having again experienced unrestrained emotional savagery of Muslims for the first time in over six years, coalesced into thoughts about when they would come unhinged next and how, then the WTC attack of 1993 and the promises made by Ramsi Yousef along with news a few years back about his and Mullah Omar’s plot to hijack and blow up planes over the Pacific Ocean sent a chill through me as I realized what could be in store next. The more I thought about it the more I discounted it, I mean after all, surely if I, a general construction PM from the interior, could imagine such a scenario, our intelligence services could too, and would use all of the powers of their agencies to set trip wires that would alert them to if such a plot was in the works, right? Therefore, I just had to comfort my self that such a logistically complex operation that would expose them at many turns had no chance in succeeding, and that they would be swept up quietly before they could strike. When I saw the first plane on the news I was surprised, not suprised that it had happen in such a world I knew as ours (I expected something soon, and honestly expected a small nuke or bio agent) but that it was able to occur with all of the people charged to identify and interdict such a, to me, obvious and simple threat.
I didn’t realized BJ Clinton had compromised us so greatly when he wrote out interaction between foreign intelligence services and domestic law enforcement, and there lays the greatest crime of September 11, 2001. That and the people and ideas such as he and our current president harbor as cohorts, people who’s mission is not the security and liberty of this country and its peoples, but their own consolidation of power for the enrichment of those who are like minded in their feudal outlook on civilization. Islam is what it is, it is the nature of their system of belief, and what they do in the name of their mission should be expected. What should not be countenanced is that they be allowed to succeed in their dark objectives readily, and that we should have such men among us in all of our public institutions that feed the ravenous nature of the Islamic Beast as a vehicle for their own political ascendancy and dominion.
In closing
God rest the Souls of our fallen countryman on that day, and those of subsequent days given while battling these captured souls. Look over us, protect us, and guide us, and find a place for those of us in your Eternal Kingdom who fall in future service, as we peruse justice in the continuing advancement of a Just Civilization on all fronts foreign and domestic.
@ Scott Madsen:
Dang, that was clumsy in a few spots, I should have printed it and proofed it better.
Sorry to strain y’all.
Scott Madsen wrote:
Amen! Great right up and thanks for sharing.
huckfunn wrote:
PIMF!
@ huckfunn:
Thanks, I wish I had tried to get my thougts out yesterday, and posted a clearer less garbled post, instead of rushing to the keyboard with a hangover like some neophyte reporter pissing hiself while meeting a deadline.
@ linoleumknife:
Sounds good, let’s toss parochial partisan labor day to the rubbish pile of history and replace with something of universal importance like confronting evil.
@ Scott Madsen:
Very well said. Thank you.
Scott Madsen wrote:
I do not have Facebook and have my own security-related reasons for not participating on Facebook.
However, I’m on board with your idea. One or both of you could research it further and make a thread out of it to publicize it further.
There is nothing so vitally important as telling our enemies that the American public has finally learned to take threats seriously.
From Rides a Pale Horse:
@ 1389AD:
you can be on facebook without providing one iota of accurate information.
Kirly wrote:
There have been some strange security leaks on FB that could result in somebody’s whereabouts being identified. I hear what you’re saying about not providing accurate info, but I am not the type of person who would enjoy making up and working with an artificial persona. Acting isn’t my shtick.
I also am currently at the ragged edge of my resources (energy, time, money) and cannot undertake anything else in the blogosphere besides what I am already doing. Right now I’m just trying to deal with some health issues and hang on to this part-time job and make it to November in one piece.
@ 1389AD:
all i meant was that you could be 1389AD on FB as well.