In another installment of the environmental cult v.s. the working class, it seems that the EPA can’t wait to enact their version to cap-n-tax in order to shut down coal mines.
Since last year, The Environmental Protection Agency has stepped up regulation on mountaintop coal mining across six Appalachian states because the explosives that are used to remove mountain surfaces send debris into rivers and streams, endangering the environment.
But with the stricter rules in place, the industry, which is considered the lifeblood of Appalachian towns, argues it’s under attack. Workers and advocacy groups that represent them say the rules unfairly target their region and require mining firms to meet unrealistic standards.
They say the hold-up threatens mining jobs, industry investment and small businesses in the region that rely on the salaries of well-paid miners to keep their economy humming.
“It’s causing the elimination of jobs across Appalachia,” said Bryan Brown, executive director of the Federation for American Coal, Energy and Security, or FACES of Coal. “At a time when the nation’s trying to get people back to work, it’s threatening to take people’s jobs away.”
This isn’t the direct frontal attack that c-n-t would be, this is more typical of environmentalists; a sneaky underhanded weaselly abuse of science.
Citing the Clean Water Act, the EPA last June announced stricter environmental reviews for mountaintop coal mining in Kentucky, Virginia, West Virginia, Tennessee, Pennsylvania and Ohio.
Then the EPA clamped down on the Spruce No. 1 mine in Logan County, W.Va., moving in March to hold up one of the largest mountaintop mining projects in the country, arguing the debris from the mine would suffocate nearby streams.
Then in April, the EPA issued a memorandum that called for mining firms to meet strict water quality standards. The rule requires the firms to minimize the amount of minerals and pollution running into the waterways as a result of their work.
The memo called the environmental impact “far-reaching,” citing studies showing that thousands of miles of streams had been filled in by debris and that nine of every 10 streams downstream from the mining activity were “impaired” by the work.
Notice that there’s no claim about impacted species or water quality?
The agency said its regulations were based on “extensive” scientific review, which is “documenting the significance of water quality and environmental impacts associated with coal mining operations including the loss of over 1,200 miles of headwater streams, contamination of streams from coal mining waste and potential public health concerns.”
But the industry argues that the rules were arbitrary and unfair, requiring companies to spend extra money for expensive water quality treatment; the National Mining Association filed suit against the EPA and the Army Corps of Engineers in July, accusing the federal government of circumventing its own rulemaking process.
Brown said the standard the EPA uses is “ludicrous” and almost impossible to meet.
“Perrier drinking water doesn’t meet that standard,” he said. “They’ve implemented it knowing that the industry can’t meet it.”
I’m in full sympathy with these Appalachian coal miners on this, but I do have one question: where were you when these same groups and activists were trying this template out on the loggers of the Pacific Northwest with the Northern Spotted Owl ruse? Remember how Father Niemoller’s poem goes? Something like: first they came for the loggers jobs, and I said nothing because I wasn’t a logger…
I posted this at the end of the last thread and didn’t want it to go unnoticed:
http://newsflavor.com/opinions/white-house-insider-on-obama-the-president-is-losing-it/
It’s all there, all the speculation confirmed, if it is genuine
But look at the plus side. In a lot of these Appalachian communities the coal mines are the economy. The coal miners buy the gas and groceries that the gas stations and grocery stores sell, on down the line, providing the initial revenue streams that support entire communities. Get rid of the coal mines, and look how many people you can put on welfare! First, they’ll have two years of funemployment, of course, so their skills can atrophy, andf then what choice will they have? This is the best news since the poverty numbers came out this morning. Yay, welfare!
@ Scott Madsen:
He’ll come completely unglued after the election. Bank on it.
The late Peter Cook as a coal miner.
Scott Madsen wrote:
There is a insider part 2 here:
http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-part-2-the-president-needs-to-grow-up/
@ Scott Madsen:
His mom jeans are too tight.
@ Iron Fist:
Yep, as soon as Congress flips over, he’ll go ape shit when he can’t have it his way in any manner or form.
Dude’s never known opposition (arrested development), must suck to be him….the psyches are going to have a field day and will be falling out of the trees to publish after he is gone.
“…where were you when these same groups and activists were trying this template out on the loggers of the Pacific Northwest with the Northern Spotted Owl ruse?”
Probably the same place most of us were. Sitting around talking about the destructiveness of the econuts. Shaking our heads. And knowing that there is not a thing we can do about it.
Maybe it’s time for a Green-Tea Party. Maybe it’s time for the farmers of California, the laid-off workers at the incandescent bulb factory, coal-miners, oil-workers, the millions of people whose lives are threatened by the eco-Marxists to band together and fight back.
@ Scott Madsen:
I’m glad you reposted that. Verrrrrrry interesting.
It doesn’t matter if thousands of people’s jobs are destroyed. What matters is that we save the planet from AGW! Obama will supply their needs from his own pocket, just like he’ll pay for people’s gas out of his own pocket.
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@ wolfie:
The moral supremicists on the left assume that only they care about the environmnet (while they travel in private jets)
I care about the environment, but I do not want people unable to feed their families or become vassals of the state due to the AGW hoax.
@ Scott Madsen:
Those read fake
Iron Fist wrote:
Him and Hen Johnson. Going to be fun
m wrote:
lmao
@ waldensianspirit:
Hillary person or the dialouge seems to much like a schematic of everything said about him by all of us in places like this?
The guy can’t throw a baseball 60 feet! I’m not talking about a screaming 98 mph fastball or a wicked curve.
I’m just talking about getting it there. Pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ buzzsawmonkey:
“A scene unparalleled in the history of mining!”
@ Scott Madsen:
Maybe both. Definitely latter…thanks for help…cat on lap..typing difficult
Maybe Obama will be a one termer.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1312462/Michelle-Obama-thinks-First-Lady-hell-says-Carla-Bruni.html
RIX wrote:
m wrote:
Then he needs maternity jeans. LOL You have to have worn them to know how stylish they are. LOL
snowcrash wrote:
Just kill me
RIX wrote:
Indeed.
What really ticks me off about these holier-than-thou elitists is that no one, no one, cares more about the mountains than the people who live in them…..including, of course, the miners.
@ Grimcargo:
Hear me now , beleive me later, he’s a girl man!
RIX wrote:
Good one, BTW!
@ Grimcargo:
I take it you have seen the stretchy front panel?
RIX wrote:
I know it. President Urkle the girly man. God I hate him and the camel he rode in on.
snowcrash wrote:
Yeah my sister and that didnt stop her from knocking over every single thing in stores. How embarrassing.She wreaked things with her big front end loader.
@ wolfie:
Same thing with Ducks Unlimited and wetlands conservation.
Let’s give a warm welcome to the Australian TEA Party! *clap clap*
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/09/16/tea-party/
An anti-tax, anti-government Tea Party has set up shop in Australia, inspired by the US-based movement that has turned the Republican Party upside down.
@ NoThreat2U:
Great news!
NoThreat2U wrote:
Wow a Global thingy is afoot.
Liberal elitists only care about people in the abstract.
We are far too common for them & it is really about control.
Vote,vote vote, take it back!
@ NoThreat2U:
Now it needs to sprtead all over Europe.
@ snowcrash:
Yes!
The people with the most genuine interest in preserving game and habitats are hunters.
Obama regime recieves a righteous smackdown. Muahahahahahahahahaha
Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act will get a constitutional challenge soon, without the nine months of discovery requested by the Obama Justice Department.
At PJM
wolfie wrote:
They don’t want to admit we can care about the environment without destroying the economy.
They refuse to admit that it’s because of America’s prosperity, we can worry about the environment. If we’d lived under the environmental rules they want for the last hundred years, we’d be struggling much more to provide for our basic needs.
@ waldensianspirit:
@ Grimcargo:
@ RIX:
Yep!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now it is time to say goodnight.
I am in a hotel in Cleveland & headed up to my room for room service.
I know, you’re wondering who do I know to get this trip.
Way too exciting!
@ NoThreat2U:
Welcome Aussie Tea Partiers!
Prepare to be accused of racism.
RIX wrote:
Which is great until they run out of cake.
@ snork:
Where does cake come from?
waldensianspirit wrote:
THE GODDAMM STORE. JEEZ. HOW DO YOU EVER GET ANYTHING? DON’T YOU EVER GO TO THE STORE WHERE ALL THE STUFF COMES FROM?
lol!
RIX wrote:
Watch out for Al Gore
@ snork:
You remind me of someone…..
O’Donnell update: $1,184,309.66
mfhorn wrote:
WOW some of them dollars be mine. Yahhhh GO GIRL
@ snork:
A cake creator? You deny that cake evolved from lower forms of baked goods?
mfhorn wrote:
BINGO!
snork wrote:
The cake is a lie. Always was.
Obummer will be present at a Townhall meeting on CNBC Monday night.
mfhorn wrote:
Hey Chuck. I know you’re reading this. This would be a good time to remind your faithful followers to hit the tip jar.
@ Urban Infidel:
along a yellow brink road, eh
Scott Madsen wrote:
Read that…problems in the marriage….pres throwing temper tantrums…..doesn’t like to do any work….
The pressures of the WH will do this man in. He will crack even more through the next two years.
mfhorn wrote:
Win or lose, that is one powerful message to the GOP!
waldensianspirit wrote:
Apparently, from the comments, it looks like a stacked house of Princeton elites.
Gee, that wasn’t very nice, Walter…
@ wolfie:
Yep, money they don’t get to appropriate as they please.
@ Urban Infidel:
Yikes. The Princeton Club is, needless to say, a club open only to Princeton alums, and the dues are pretty steep. So it takes a couple of metric shitloads of chutzpah to say to that group:
‘Scuse me, the sentiment of the members of the Princeton Club is not the sentiment of the nation.
Asshole.
@ snork:
I didn’t even read the snarky comment on the bottom.
snork wrote:
I’m surprised that the comments on mediabistro are that conservative.
Scott Madsen wrote:
It doesn’t bother him that people are actually suffering because they are out of work. What bothers him is that the job figures make the Obama Administration look bad, and he has to blame somebody else.
Much as Stalin sent huge numbers of people accused of being “wreckers” (saboteurs) to the Gulag to spread the blame for shortfalls in his five-year plans.
OT – I’m heading out but I wanted to add something to what we were talking about earlier with regards to Ludwig’s (and others) trashing Christianity at the Swamp.
They’re defending Islam to the death and trashing Christianity with every ounce of their beings (some of them).
It’s a political choice. They see Christians as Republicans and Muslims as possible Democrat Party voters.
They trying to woo the world of Islam as their allies while many people are also taking note of how dangerous it is to exercise things like free speech when it comes to the world of Islam.
Dangerous business.
@ Urban Infidel:
Sending something like that out to the Princeton Club is borderline asstroturfing.
snork wrote:
If you don’t want to visit a supermarket or a bakery, you can always buy flour, sugar, milk, eggs, and butter, and a pan, to make your own.
The indubitable Frank J.
http://www.imao.us/index.php/2010/09/they-make-it-too-easy/
snork wrote:
And how ironic that he’s going to talk about the economy on CNBC, where Rick Santelli single-handedly gave birth to the Tea Party.
Eliana wrote:
Which ties in to the lies from CAIR about the number of muslims in the US. Their 7 million number is neither correct nor arbitrary. It’s political calculus. With 6.something million Jews, 7 million makes them the prize.
Of course, it’s all politics. And they’re chumps for buying the propaganda.
@ 1389AD:
But those things all come from the store, too. And don’t try to feed me any fairy tails about farms and chickens and all that nonsense. Chickens are in the meat section, and they’re as hard as rocks and can’t lay eggs.
@ snork:
If they want to get the pulse of America, they’d randomly pick a dozen or so people from across the country.
I wouldn’t expect that to happen no matter which party was in the White House.
mfhorn wrote:
I guess they’re just lying to themselves, then. Kinda like “I don’t know anybody for voted for Nixon”.
snork wrote:
We should have an open thread and watch it.
@ Lily:
I thought this part was interesting:
So to this person, abortion, unions, and welfare programs represent “the best parts of America”?
@ snork:
It’s sad when someone’s that isolated from the world they don’t even know people with a differing viewpoint.
mfhorn wrote:
They’d go ballistic if they ever met one. They really don’t want to. Look at the unhinged reactions to Sarah Palin.
@ snork:
Sarah Palin. Rush. Hannity. Christine O’Donnell…
lobo91 wrote:
Yeah actually those articles did seem genuine. It explains the dis-connect and all those vacations. Michelle being in Spain while her husband had his birthday bash…yet still not wanting to bash obama that bad. This person came off rather disappointed…not hating. But still toeing the democratic line.
Not to mention Michelle saying it is ‘hell’ being in the White House.
And according to this insider after the elections more will come out and say something.
I don’t know..it does seem to add up. Obama does indeed love campaigning…and his history has shown he doesn’t do any real work.
Is everyone gone?
Have I killed another thread yet again?
@ Lily:
That’s why he is having such a grand old time campaigning for the other dems. That’s all he knows how to do. As for the actual work after winning…not so much.
@ Lily:
This part rings true:
I expect her to challenge him in the primary. He has good reason to be terrified of Team Clinton.
NoThreat2U wrote:
Yeah that is what he is doing….I think he indeed is being crushed under the pressure of the WH and having marital problems (that is a new one but believable one). Not liking Biden etc. I don’t know it does seem to ring true. He can’t handle it.
YOU MUST GO AND READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://redwhitebluenews.com/?p=969
@ Lily:
I’m being crushed under the pressure of him being in the White House, too…
Just look at her! There is no way humans evolve. All we can do is try to restitute back toward Eve.
snork wrote:
I do too. He rode in on Bush Derangement mindset…and now he is kinda of clueless or really doesn’t want to do the job. Next two years shall show if starts cracking more and if the Nov. elections do go R his thin skinnedness ….. he may go total meltdown if he is already cracking.
Lily wrote:
I can see there might be marital problems if he was on the down low when he was in Chicago.
@ lobo91:
Wow.
@ Lily:
Finally realized he isn’t as smart as he thinks he is.
Shades of RMN.
@ waldensianspirit:
I hope they pass the full package of extending the tax cuts and that bambi vetos’ it and then gets his first bipartisan effort in congress to overrule him since they want to save their jobs.
/dreaming.
lobo91 wrote:
Many people are ….. and he doesn’t care. This is one pres that really isn’t pro-american. No one is hiring. They don’t know what will be coming …. under obama.
One good question what if he does actually crack up? Then what? We have Biden?
I really think my link above deserves a thread sometime. It is astonishing. Just reminding yinz to take a look at it
@ Lily:
Biden can be controlled. This joker now is all about himself and what HE wants to do.
@ NoThreat2U:
Disgusting, but alas not surprising.
@ Lily:
So far, since learning that the Army won’t let me go to Afghanistan, I’ve found exactly 3 civilian jobs to apply for.
Two are in Iraq, and one is in Afghanistan.
NoThreat2U wrote:
Good heavens! The world is upside down right now!
@ buzzsawmonkey:
@ Lily:
We knew this was gonna happen the minute that asshole signed us on. Unreal.
lobo91 wrote:
Excellent! At least you can see some light at the end of this tunnel you have been going through! Prayers that you get hired.
NoThreat2U wrote:
I did. Trouble is, I am too burned out to do any halfway complicated threads at the moment. I already have too many threads in the works that I’ve done some research for, but haven’t gotten around to putting together.
I suggest you make up a guest post and email it to the Blogmocracy addy, which is on the sidebar of the main page.
NoThreat2U wrote:
True. Need pelsesoi and reid out too.
/really dreaming. But not so far fetched!
@ NoThreat2U:
OH MY GOD!!!!!
@ Lily:
It’s not really what I want to do, but I don’t have much choice at this point.
From what I’ve seen, though, the deployment schedule doesn’t seem to be that bad. It’s a rotation of 90-120 days over there, followed by a month at home.
@ 1389AD:
I am hoping one of the admins will pick it up. I am not a good “guest poster”.
snork wrote:
Yep.
Getting paranoid, mistaking simple self-preservation for malice directed at him. Big industries aren’t hiring because Obama is such a loose cannon that they are afraid that they will go broke if they take any risks or make any investments right now.
IOW, it’s his own fault.
@ Lily:
When all these losers are ousted, Imma run around the yard singing NA NA NA NA HEY HEY HEY GOODBYE!!!!!!! Keep your eyes out in the Pittsburgh papers…I’ll probably get arrested. lol
@ waldensianspirit:
Notice how she calls them the ‘Obama middle class tax cuts’. What a crock.
NoThreat2U wrote:
The admins will probably send it along to me, and I’m too tired to cope right now.
@ Lily:
Pelosi’s not going anywhere. The only thing that would keep her from being re-elected would be an even farther-left candidate in her district.
lobo91 wrote:
Prayers then to something you really want to do too then.
lobo91 wrote:
You are probably right…but damn I want her out.
NoThreat2U wrote:
Why, are you planning to run around the yard nekkid?
@ 1389AD:
lol
@ NoThreat2U:
Could the Jewish people living here in the US finally get a clue about this jackass? He doesn’t give a rats ass about you
mfhorn wrote:
Does he give a rats ass about any of us?
Thursday Fight Club is up!
Lily wrote:
I think you know the answer to that already…
NoThreat2U wrote:
Disgusting. And not surprising given this administration’s desire to cozy up to Muslim nations.
@ lobo91:
Yeah I do. No he doesn’t. And he doesn’t really know what he is doing in the WH.
@ Lily:
Whoa…is it raining frogs in DC yet?
@ Scott Madsen:
Should be..it is insane!
I wonder if these are the same miners that proudly displayed their UMWA Obama-Biden campaign signs in the front yard of their homes in Southern W. VA when I drove through there before the election? I guess they didn’t hear BO say he was going to shut them down. That’s something he didn’t lie about.
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