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Jacksonianism Rediscovered.

by coldwarrior ( 112 Comments › )
Filed under Academia, History, Military, Open thread, Politics, Progressives, Tea Parties at September 24th, 2010 - 11:30 am

Recently, more than a few blogs and news outlets have been writing about the Tea Party and this new found Jacksonian idea about foreign policy and how it will shape American foreign policy in the the coming years. I would argue that this new found Jacksonianism isn’t a new phenomenon at all.  Jacksonianism has never left the average American, it was always in the hearts of those of us here in fly-over country. You know us, we are the people who send our sons to fight in the wars and disdain sending out troops to war over a theory in a book from an academician, no matter how ‘smart’ the writer is.  It took the Tea Parties to become a cohesive force in politics and a voice for the average American for ‘Jacksonianism’ to be rediscovered of the press and the so called chattering class of ‘elites’. The ‘elites’ never had to pay much attention to the average Americans, the average Americans were too busy producing, building America, and paying taxes for Progressive programs to have the time to get a real cohesive, and powerful trans-party political voice until the anger at the Progressives became so unifying that the Tea Parties were formed out of frustration and hope.

The ‘elitist’ progressives on both the right and left parted with the traditional Jacksonian foreign policy many years ago and replaced it with Wilsonianism while a silent majority of Americans retained the ideas of Jacksonian foreign policy and war-fighting.  The Progressive minds who embrace Wilsonianism are also just like the Tea Parties in the fact that they are both trans-political voices.  There are Independent, Democrat and Republican members of both the Progressive Ideology and the the Tea Parties.  The Tea Partiers think in quantitative benefits for America and her allies as the defining factor of foreign policy while the Progressives  and their fellow travelers believe in foreign policy that is driven by ideas and theories that might lead to representative governments run by an elected elite who, in theory,  are then the key to global stability. Its easy to be a Wilsonian Progressive when it isn’t your son going to fight a war over a theory in a book from an academician.

So what is this newly rediscovered Jacksonianism that the Progressives and the ‘elites’ are so worried about?  Jacksonian foreign policy and its approach to war is very Realist and very easily measured. International institutions (like the UN) are viewed with suspicion at best, with contempt as an enemy at worst. These  should be used only when very necessary and used sparingly. There needs to be a clear national security and national interest driven reason to use force, and this application of force must be utterly overwhelming. America is viewed as sovereign, exceptional, and, as Reagan said, ‘the last refuge of man-kind’.  Therefore American exceptionalism and ideals are worth going to war over as long as that war strengthens the American position in the world stage. Jacksonians take American God given constitutional rights over the Wilsonian idea of government granted (and thereby government removed) human rights.

The idea of ‘spreading democracy’ in the Islamic World as a response to 9/11 and intractable jihad-driven Islam is anathema to the Jacksonian.  A Jacksonian would have taken decisive and overwhelming action after the first WTC bombing and the USS Cole bombing, perhaps preventing 9/11.  The classic Jacksonian action was the American occupation of Europe after WW2, which ended the near perpetual state of war in Europe for the prior ten centuries.  The Jacksonians occupied and forced peace on Europe after WW2, the Wilsonian Progressives tried and fail to create peace with diplomats in Europe after WW1.

The Wilsonian Progressive belief system is founded on the thoughts of Woodrow Wilson, the professor and President.  Wilson, like his adherents are driven by a belief and confidence in self that borders on outright arrogance. They see themselves as the enlightened leaders of the great unwashed masses. The Wilsonian Progressive foreign policy is driven by Immanuel Kant’s 1795 essay ‘Perpetual Peace’, Kant states that democracies are less likely to go to war than dictatorships and monarchies because the people in the democracy are participants in the government process, not just subjects. This is the underpinning of Wilsonian Progressive foreign policy: the belief that democracy can be laid over or forced upon any society.  If democracy could be forced on all states, then a stable world can be governed by the enlightened.  It is irrelevant to a Wilsonian Progressive if democracy is not possible in a given society. Wilsonian Progressiveism is purely ideologically driven, where Jacksonianism is driven by Realism. The Wilsonian Progressiveist will go to war over an idea or a theory in the belief that he alone is correct and his idealism about exporting American Democracy world wide will convince the enemy of America to become our friends. Or, they will go to war as Bill Clinton did in Kosovo over ‘human rights’ violations.

The Wilsonian Progressives response to Islamic terrorism before 9/11 was to do more or less nothing.  Allow the international structures to aid the US in a ‘law enforcement’ problem  to stop the terrorists.  Since they beleive that all people see the world the same way they do, they assumed this would be enough to stop terrorists, because the terrorists should have a fear of law enforcement. As we know, they do not. After 9/11 the Progressives that run American foreign policy invaded Afghanistan (a good move even for the Jacksonians) and then the mission creep occurred and the American policy in Afghanistan was to create a democracy, where democracy will not work. The Jacksonian approach would have been overwhelming and decisive force in many more places than Afghanistan, perhaps work with Sadam Hussein, then occupy areas as needed or go home after complete destruction of the sponsoring states.

Jacksonians go to war over national security issues while Wilsonian Progressives will eschew national interests and go to war over ideals and theories. Both beleive in the American model, which is why Obama is not a Wilsonian Progressive, he is a Third World Liberation theologist. Jacksonains and Wilsonian Progressives do diverge on the means to protect America both at home and abroad. It is most ironic that the Jacksonians have been ‘rediscovered’ as a threat by the ‘elites’, Jacksonianism never went away outside of the beltway, the fly-overs have always been Jacksonians.  It was the Progressive governmental policies from both the GOP and the Democrats that woke the average American, many of whom are Jacksonian at heart, and forced the formation of the Tea Parties who will help shape foreign policy in the next few years. Old Hickory would be proud

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  1. 1 | September 24, 2010 11:34 am

    The Tea Party is Jacksonian in the sense of repudiating the oligarchy.

    However -- thank goodness -- it is not Jacksonian in the sense of hostility to American Indians. In fact, people with American Indian ancestry frequently participate in Tea Party activities, though nobody makes a big show of their racial/ethnic origins.


  2. 2 | September 24, 2010 11:39 am

    I don’t necessarily agree that the United States might not be the last hope of mankind. If we go down, I believe that the Lord will recruit enough followers elsewhere to take up the cause. Even China may end up becoming Christian.

    But if we do lead, it must be by example. We must realize that we cannot export “democracy” by force or stealth. Exporting any form of popular sovereignty to a Muslim country leads inevitably to corruption and to the tyranny of shari’a law.


  3. coldwarrior
    3 | September 24, 2010 11:41 am

    @ 1389AD:

    no one laments for the etruscans


  4. 4 | September 24, 2010 11:44 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    no one laments for the lombards

    Not quite sure what you mean by that…you are more of a historian than I am…


  5. huckfunn
    5 | September 24, 2010 11:44 am

    1389AD wrote:

    The Tea Party is Jacksonian in the sense of repudiating the oligarchy.

    However – thank goodness – it is not Jacksonian in the sense of hostility to American Indians. In fact, people with American Indian ancestry frequently participate in Tea Party activities, though nobody makes a big show of their racial/ethnic origins.

    One of the strengths of the Tea Party is their repudiation of identity politics, which is what the socialist-democrats are all about. The dims believe that one’s ethnicity is the most important aspect of one’s life. They seek to divide and conquer through that belief.


  6. coldwarrior
    6 | September 24, 2010 11:45 am

    1389AD wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ 1389AD:
    no one laments for the lombards
    Not quite sure what you mean by that…you are more of a historian than I am…

    i meant etruscans…

    they were conquered by rome very early. civilizations rise and fall. the indians are just another in that line.

    no one laments the passing of the etruscans


  7. 7 | September 24, 2010 11:47 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Nor the Carthagenians. We should have utterly destroyed Afghanistan in retalliation for 9-11. That would have been the Jacksonian response. We wouldn’t still be fighting a war there, much less losing one. The Progs don’t know how to win wars. That may be our saving grace. We do.


  8. 8 | September 24, 2010 11:47 am

    @ 1389AD:

    The concept of exp[orting Democracy is a Leftist Progressive one. It’s teh flip side of the Communist ideal of exporting the Revolution.

    David Frum, Pail Wolfowitz, Brenner, George Bush, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are all Wilsonian. They really believe in this all humans want freediom crap. It’s utter nonsense, many civilizations want glory and conquests.

    The Iraq War and Afghan Wars are examples of the naivette of Wilsonianism.


  9. 9 | September 24, 2010 11:49 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Old Hickory of destroyed Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. This would of sent a message to the Ummah, don’t mess with us.


  10. Sheepdogess
    10 | September 24, 2010 11:50 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Nor the Carthagenians. We should have utterly destroyed Afghanistan in retalliation for 9-11. That would have been the Jacksonian response. We wouldn’t still be fighting a war there, much less losing one. The Progs don’t know how to win wars. That may be our saving grace. We do.

    I agree with you on that.


  11. coldwarrior
    11 | September 24, 2010 11:50 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Nor the Carthagenians. We should have utterly destroyed Afghanistan in retalliation for 9-11. That would have been the Jacksonian response. We wouldn’t still be fighting a war there, much less losing one. The Progs don’t know how to win wars. That may be our saving grace. We do.

    we know how to fight and win because we are the people that send our sons to war. we pay the price, not the elites


  12. 12 | September 24, 2010 11:51 am

    @ Rodan:

    Works for me. They need a good wake-up call. By not using nukes, we have convinced them that we will never use nukes, and Obama has just made that impression worse with his bullshit about a nuclear free world (by which he means a disarmed America). We need to show the Ummah that we can and will make them go the way of Montezuma if they fuck with us.


  13. 13 | September 24, 2010 11:52 am

    @ Sheepdogess:

    [Sheepdogess}

    Good to see you!

    :mrgreen:


  14. coldwarrior
    14 | September 24, 2010 11:53 am

    @ Rodan:

    obama in not a wilsonian, as i said:

    Jacksonians go to war over national security issues while Wilsonian Progressives will eschew national interests and go to war over ideals and theories. Both beleive in the American model, which is why Obama is not a Wilsonian Progressive, he is a Third World Liberation theologist. Jacksonains and Wilsonian Progressives do diverge on the means to protect America both at home and abroad.

    obama is USING the wilsonians and progressives to destroy american wealth and level the field


  15. 15 | September 24, 2010 11:56 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    he is a Third World Liberation theologist

    What happened to that “Wall of Separation” between Church and State? Obama’s theology drives both his foreign and domestic policies, to the detriment of American intrests both at home and abroad. Vile, he is, but determined. He will drive America into the ground no matter what the long-term damage to the Democrat Party.


  16. 16 | September 24, 2010 11:57 am

    whoa……………. Coats testimony is thunderously damaging to the Obama Administration…


  17. 17 | September 24, 2010 11:57 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Works for me. They need a good wake-up call. By not using nukes, we have convinced them that we will never use nukes, and Obama has just made that impression worse with his bullshit about a nuclear free world (by which he means a disarmed America). We need to show the Ummah that we can and will make them go the way of Montezuma if they fuck with us.

    In fact, Obama explicitly took our nuclear deterrent off the table.

    Bad move.


  18. huckfunn
    18 | September 24, 2010 11:58 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    Old Hickory of destroyed Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. This would of sent a message to the Ummah, don’t mess with us.

    As would Houston, Sherman, Grant, Eisenhower and MacArthur. Unconditional surrender has such clarity.


  19. 19 | September 24, 2010 11:59 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    he is a Third World Liberation theologist
    What happened to that “Wall of Separation” between Church and State? Obama’s theology drives both his foreign and domestic policies, to the detriment of American intrests both at home and abroad. Vile, he is, but determined. He will drive America into the ground no matter what the long-term damage to the Democrat Party.

    …and one with strong Muslim sympathies, at that.


  20. snork
    20 | September 24, 2010 12:00 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    whoa……………. Coats testimony is thunderously damaging to the Obama Administration…

    What Coates testimony? The media are all covering the Colbert circus.


  21. 21 | September 24, 2010 12:00 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Yes, he has practically hung a “Kick Me With WMD” sign on our nation’s back. We will be decades recovering from the Obama Debacle. If we ever do…


  22. coldwarrior
    22 | September 24, 2010 12:00 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    he is a Third World Liberation theologist
    What happened to that “Wall of Separation” between Church and State? Obama’s theology drives both his foreign and domestic policies, to the detriment of American intrests both at home and abroad. Vile, he is, but determined. He will drive America into the ground no matter what the long-term damage to the Democrat Party.

    obama’s church is to destroy american wealth, and/or try to transfer it to the former colonies of europe. he uses the progressives who gladly go along with it because they see him as a fellow wilsonian.


  23. coldwarrior
    23 | September 24, 2010 12:03 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Iron Fist:
    Old Hickory of destroyed Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. This would of sent a message to the Ummah, don’t mess with us.

    As would Houston, Sherman, Grant, Eisenhower and MacArthur. Unconditional surrender has such clarity.

    precisely. overwhelming use of force followed by complete and utter surrender or death is the Jacksonian way.

    look at the ratio of japanese civilians we killed in ww2 compared the the total amount of american lives lost to the japanese. THAT is how you fight a war.


  24. 24 | September 24, 2010 12:04 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    Yes, he has practically hung a “Kick Me With WMD” sign on our nation’s back. We will be decades recovering from the Obama Debacle. If we ever do…

    I wouldn’t give a rat’s patootie for Obama’s sake if they kick Obama with WMD or with anything else. The jihadis always bite the hands that feed them, and Obozo has it coming.

    The problem I have with it is that they can’t kick Obama without kicking the rest of us.


  25. Sheepdogess
    25 | September 24, 2010 12:06 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Nice to see you!
    I spend a good amount of my spare time here and would like to purchase a T-shirt or two.
    Would someone please translate FULDKOMMEN GAK?


  26. 26 | September 24, 2010 12:06 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Good point, he’s a 3rd WOrld Tranzi Ideologue.


  27. 27 | September 24, 2010 12:08 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    It’s a shame that the GOP is infiltrated with Wilsonians. We need to purge them.


  28. 28 | September 24, 2010 12:08 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ Iron Fist:
    Old Hickory of destroyed Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. This would of sent a message to the Ummah, don’t mess with us.
    As would Houston, Sherman, Grant, Eisenhower and MacArthur. Unconditional surrender has such clarity.
    precisely. overwhelming use of force followed by complete and utter surrender or death is the Jacksonian way.
    look at the ratio of japanese civilians we killed in ww2 compared the the total amount of american lives lost to the japanese. THAT is how you fight a war.

    Just for starters, there’s this:

    Washington needs a Plan B for dealing with sharia


  29. huckfunn
    29 | September 24, 2010 12:09 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    precisely. overwhelming use of force followed by complete and utter surrender or death is the Jacksonian way.

    look at the ratio of japanese civilians we killed in ww2 compared the the total amount of american lives lost to the japanese. THAT is how you fight a war.

    Pershing was a “kill ‘em all” kinda guy. Wilson got in his way and the Euros were exhausted.

    Speaking of total annihilation… :sad:


  30. chickadee
    30 | September 24, 2010 12:09 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Great essay, cw.
    I learn so much here.


  31. Sheepdogess
    31 | September 24, 2010 12:09 pm

    snork wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    whoa……………. Coats testimony is thunderously damaging to the Obama Administration…

    What Coates testimony? The media are all covering the Colbert circus.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2594948/posts


  32. coldwarrior
    32 | September 24, 2010 12:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    It’s a shame that the GOP is infiltrated with Wilsonians. We need to purge them.

    those wilsonians in the gop or that id themselves as conservatives are merely elitist just like the wilsonians on the left. it is a trans-party belief system.


  33. 33 | September 24, 2010 12:12 pm

    snork wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    whoa……………. Coats testimony is thunderously damaging to the Obama Administration…

    What Coates testimony? The media are all covering the Colbert circus.

    The Colbert circus is the MSM’s pathetic attempt to hide Coats testimony, C-span is covering it and it will get out on the internet, Colbert will quickly fade, Coats will leave much hemorrhaging.


  34. chickadee
    34 | September 24, 2010 12:12 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    The progs are cowards, afraid to fight. Unless it is our allies.


  35. coldwarrior
    35 | September 24, 2010 12:13 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Pershing was a “kill ‘em all” kinda guy. Wilson got in his way and the Euros were exhausted.

    Speaking of total annihilation… :sad:

    wilson eds ww1 with diplomats…FAIL

    the Jacksonians like gen marshall end ww2 with total surrender and occupation…SUCCESS!!! 1000 years of war in europe ends


  36. RIX
    36 | September 24, 2010 12:13 pm

    snork
    20 | September 24, 2010 12:00t
    What Coates testimony? The media are all covering the Colbert circus.

    I do hope that the Jon Stewart/Colbert rally in D.C is a flop.
    It is just a childish attempt to mock Beck.


  37. coldwarrior
    37 | September 24, 2010 12:13 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Great essay, cw.
    I learn so much here.

    well, thank you. we appreciate that


  38. huckfunn
    38 | September 24, 2010 12:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    It’s a shame that the GOP is infiltrated with Wilsonians. We need to purge them.

    That detente crap has got to go. There are way to many detente dilettantes in the GOP.


  39. 39 | September 24, 2010 12:15 pm

    Sheepdogess wrote:

    snork wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    whoa……………. Coats testimony is thunderously damaging to the Obama Administration…
    What Coates testimony? The media are all covering the Colbert circus.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2594948/posts

    From your link…

    Coates’ imminent testimony before the Civil Rights Commission no doubt will be extraordinary.

    That is turning out to be the classic understatement of the year.


  40. huckfunn
    40 | September 24, 2010 12:17 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Speaking of total annihilation…

    I think my “Speaking of total annihilation…” comment sailed right over yinz Panther head.


  41. coldwarrior
    41 | September 24, 2010 12:20 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Speaking of total annihilation…

    I think my “Speaking of total annihilation…” comment sailed right over yinz Panther head.

    it was painful to watch last night. that O line is young and the defense just got plain worn down.


  42. 42 | September 24, 2010 12:20 pm

    New DOD!

    Ludwig planning to leave America


  43. snork
    43 | September 24, 2010 12:20 pm

    Here’s my platform.


  44. huckfunn
    44 | September 24, 2010 12:25 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    it was painful to watch last night. that O line is young and the defense just got plain worn down.

    I was surprised that the Pitt QB simply wouldn’t get rid of the ball and was repeatedly sacked. I wandered off after the first half.


  45. RIX
    45 | September 24, 2010 12:25 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    New DOD!
    Ludwig planning to leave America

    He’s just a big talker, he won’t go anywhere.


  46. coldwarrior
    46 | September 24, 2010 12:27 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    it was painful to watch last night. that O line is young and the defense just got plain worn down.
    I was surprised that the Pitt QB simply wouldn’t get rid of the ball and was repeatedly sacked. I wandered off after the first half.

    he’s young…came outta central catholic. just a sophomore. he and the O line need to mature


  47. Nevergiveup
    47 | September 24, 2010 12:28 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    New DOD!
    Ludwig planning to leave America

    He’s just a big talker, he won’t go anywhere.

    Yeah maybe but we can we get a fund together to send him on his way? Well only if he renounces his American Citizenship of course.


  48. The Osprey
    48 | September 24, 2010 12:29 pm

    Ol’ Hick’ry said we could take ‘em by surprise
    If we didn’t fire our muskets
    Till we look’ed ‘em in the eyes…


  49. 49 | September 24, 2010 12:38 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    New DOD!
    Ludwig planning to leave America

    Fouling his own nest, then flying the coop. Way to go, Ludwig!


  50. Bob in Breckenridge
    50 | September 24, 2010 12:39 pm

    Gov. Christie bitchslaps yet another libturd heckler…


  51. spinmore
    51 | September 24, 2010 12:39 pm

    OT: (but not really)

    silver prices have been really shooting up (along w/record gold$)

    . . . very pronounced -- what’s the market on to?


  52. RIX
    52 | September 24, 2010 12:40 pm

    Nevergiveup
    47 | September 24, 2010 12:28
    Yeah maybe but we can we get a fund together to send him on his way? Well only if he renounces his American Citizenship of course.

    Yup. if he leaves we can’t let him back in.


  53. huckfunn
    53 | September 24, 2010 12:40 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    Ol’ Hick’ry said we could take ‘em by surprise
    If we didn’t fire our muskets
    Till we look’ed ‘em in the eyes…

    Ol’ Hickr’y and Sam Houston also showed the Redsticks a thing or 2.


  54. Nevergiveup
    54 | September 24, 2010 12:41 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Nevergiveup
    47 | September 24, 2010 12:28
    Yeah maybe but we can we get a fund together to send him on his way? Well only if he renounces his American Citizenship of course.

    Yup. if he leaves we can’t let him back in.

    Like some of those rich left wing SOBs from liberalwood who went to live overseas but still can vote


  55. 55 | September 24, 2010 12:41 pm

    @ spinmore:

    Eventually the American economy has to collapse if we stay on the path we are on. Short term, I’d say people are hedging against inflation. The only thing that has held inflation in check is that so many people are out of work. All that money Obama is printing is going to turn into inflation sooner or later unless the Fed plays the guessing game just right. Nobody is that good.


  56. snowcrash
    56 | September 24, 2010 12:43 pm

    @ snork:
    What is hippie punching? I never heard of that term and now its all over the place because of the Axelrod phone call with the leftie bloggers. Did people punch hippies?


  57. spinmore
    57 | September 24, 2010 12:45 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ spinmore:
    Eventually the American economy has to collapse if we stay on the path we are on. Short term, I’d say people are hedging against inflation. The only thing that has held inflation in check is that so many people are out of work. All that money Obama is printing is going to turn into inflation sooner or later unless the Fed plays the guessing game just right. Nobody is that good.

    thinking just like you. if you have time -- look at 3month silver $$(?)


  58. 58 | September 24, 2010 12:45 pm

    @ snowcrash:

    No, but we should :evil:


  59. snowcrash
    59 | September 24, 2010 12:47 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Are hippies even real anymore? LOL


  60. 60 | September 24, 2010 12:47 pm

    What would it take to get Obama impeached? What crime would he have to commit in order for 2/3 of congress to vote him out?


  61. 61 | September 24, 2010 12:49 pm

    @ snowcrash:

    I can think of one fat, pony-tailed, washed-up Jazz guitarist that probably qualifies as a hippie…


  62. Nevergiveup
    62 | September 24, 2010 12:49 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    What would it take to get Obama impeached? What crime would he have to commit in order for 2/3 of congress to vote him out?

    Give me a sec…..I’m thinking…… wait….OK I’ll have to get back to ya on that one?


  63. Nevergiveup
    63 | September 24, 2010 12:51 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ snowcrash:

    I can think of one fat, pony-tailed, washed-up Jazz guitarist that probably qualifies as a hippie…

    Maybe but the hippies don’t want anything to do with him? I guess he’ll have to start his own tribe. But he’ll need some followers first who are blind and stupid. Oh wait he has them. Never mind.


  64. 64 | September 24, 2010 12:52 pm

    @ father_of_10:

    There is nothing that would get Obama impeached and removed from Office. The Democrats showed us with Clinton that they will under no circumstances remove A Democrat from office. So you aren’t going to get any Democrat votes. You need 67 votes in the Senate to remove, IIRC. You’ll never get that today, nor after the election even if all of our people win. Impeachment can’t and won’t happen. People need to focus their minds on what is practical. We can filibuster his entire agenda, if we get 41 solid Republicans in the Senate. That is my goal. That is the best we can hope for.


  65. 65 | September 24, 2010 12:53 pm

    Off we go,
    Into the peace group yonder
    looking for,
    Hippies to punch.
    There’s a creep,
    Tearing our flag asunder.
    Grab him boys,
    Stomp on his face.
    Raise the flag,
    Over this land of freedom.
    We’ll preserve,
    Liberty’s place.
    Those filthy reds won’t have a chance,
    ‘Cause nothing can stop the Tea Party Today!


  66. 66 | September 24, 2010 12:56 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ father_of_10:
    There is nothing that would get Obama impeached and removed from Office. The Democrats showed us with Clinton that they will under no circumstances remove A Democrat from office. So you aren’t going to get any Democrat votes. You need 67 votes in the Senate to remove, IIRC. You’ll never get that today, nor after the election even if all of our people win. Impeachment can’t and won’t happen. People need to focus their minds on what is practical. We can filibuster his entire agenda, if we get 41 solid Republicans in the Senate. That is my goal. That is the best we can hope for.

    I agree with your strategy. I do think, however, that enough p;ressure can be put on Obama to make him resign if we thwart him in every way and exposehim. If somehow his past is revealed to be particularly ugly. But impeachment? Never.


  67. Nevergiveup
    67 | September 24, 2010 12:57 pm

    By the way a short comic interlude: Lindsey Lohan back in the hooscow ( not sure how you spell that?)


  68. Mike C.
    68 | September 24, 2010 1:00 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Nevergiveup
    47 | September 24, 2010 12:28
    Yeah maybe but we can we get a fund together to send him on his way? Well only if he renounces his American Citizenship of course.
    Yup. if he leaves we can’t let him back in.
    Like some of those rich left wing SOBs from liberalwood who went to live overseas but still can vote

    If an American lives overseas, they can still vote in federal elections (Pres and VP) every 4 years, but not in any state elections (which includes the US House and Senate.) Been there, done that.


  69. 69 | September 24, 2010 1:00 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Chained heat! On Drugs, but that seems to go with the territory…


  70. spinmore
    70 | September 24, 2010 1:00 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    . . . sounds naughty


  71. 71 | September 24, 2010 1:01 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Maybe we can send Ludwig somewhere without mail service. Like Tibet…


  72. 72 | September 24, 2010 1:02 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    By the way a short comic interlude: Lindsey Lohan back in the hooscow ( not sure how you spell that?)

    Hoosegow I think. It’s not getting the spell check red underline at least.


  73. 73 | September 24, 2010 1:04 pm

    @ PaladinPhil:

    Whose scow is that?

    (Someone has to do it when Buzz is AWOL :P )


  74. 74 | September 24, 2010 1:06 pm

    A primary challenge for Obama from the Left? How delicious is that Idea? Make Obama run to the Left against any reasonable conservative with the Left vote split? Who do I have to bribe to get that to happen?


  75. 75 | September 24, 2010 1:07 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Maybe we can send Ludwig somewhere without mail service. Like Tibet…

    They probably have mail service there. We’d have to send him to Antarctica.


  76. Nevergiveup
    76 | September 24, 2010 1:08 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    A primary challenge for Obama from the Left? How delicious is that Idea? Make Obama run to the Left against any reasonable conservative with the Left vote split? Who do I have to bribe to get that to happen?

    Stalin, Lenin, and Mao are dead. So who?


  77. 77 | September 24, 2010 1:09 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Well played. That man has us exercising our brains quite nicely.


  78. 78 | September 24, 2010 1:11 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    They probably have mail service there. We’d have to send him to Antarctica.

    They still get mail service, and internet access. I am wracking my brain to think of a location that’s remote enough that is away from ALL amenities, but it’s a little difficult.


  79. MikeA
    79 | September 24, 2010 1:11 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    There is one thing, though its more of a twilight zone thing. Obama suddenly switches parties and becomes a Republican…. ;)


  80. 80 | September 24, 2010 1:12 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Hey, what is the name of that comedian that had the farce on Capitol Hill today? Colbert? Run him. Or a host of others. Dennis Kucinich, Jerry Brown, Babs Boxer, John Kerry, I cna think of a lot of people who might want to challenge him. It would kind of throw a monkey-wrench into the Hildabeast’s plans, though. She wants to win, and running as a “triumphal” Liberal isn’t the way to win the Presidency in America. If they do that, we win easily. But they will feel good, which is so important to the Leftist crowd.


  81. 81 | September 24, 2010 1:13 pm

    @ PaladinPhil:

    Central Subsaharan Africa? Like deep in the Congo? We could hide him in the same area ebola hides. That could make his stay enlightening…


  82. 82 | September 24, 2010 1:14 pm

    @ MikeA:

    Brain bleach! I need brain bleach! What an awful thought…


  83. Nevergiveup
    83 | September 24, 2010 1:15 pm

    6TH AVENUE BLOODBATH: NBC, CNN CHIEFS OUT

    From drudge: Oh how the once mighty have fallen


  84. 84 | September 24, 2010 1:15 pm

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    They probably have mail service there. We’d have to send him to Antarctica.
    They still get mail service, and internet access. I am wracking my brain to think of a location that’s remote enough that is away from ALL amenities, but it’s a little difficult.

    Try the far side of the moon.


  85. 85 | September 24, 2010 1:16 pm

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    They probably have mail service there. We’d have to send him to Antarctica.
    They still get mail service, and internet access. I am wracking my brain to think of a location that’s remote enough that is away from ALL amenities, but it’s a little difficult.

    There is no where that a satellite uplink cannot be made from. Well, unless you are under a mountain, as in literally underground.


  86. 86 | September 24, 2010 1:20 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    literally underground.

    We could arrange that. Got a backhoe?


  87. tunnelrat
    87 | September 24, 2010 1:22 pm

    OT, I have been gone for a few days and just now learned about Cato being banned. I suggest that we start a pool to guess the exact date and time at which his account is reinstated. There is no question that he will crawl back to CJ and beg for his account back.

    My guess is tonight @7:00 PM EDT


  88. MikeA
    88 | September 24, 2010 1:22 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Sorry about that. But you know its true. If any Repub did 1/1000 of what the One has done so far, he’d be toast in the media.


  89. 89 | September 24, 2010 1:26 pm

    @ MikeA:

    No doubt. This thing with DoJ would destroy a Republican Administration (and it should). That Justice is being doled out to fit a racist paradigm should offend all Americans, but it won’t get any play in the MFM, and the Republicans will be “colliegial” about it (and not mention it). It is beyond frustrating.


  90. 90 | September 24, 2010 1:27 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    literally underground.
    We could arrange that. Got a backhoe?

    Well, not in my back pocket, but… I could probably borrow by brothers FIL’s for a good purpose…


  91. Nevergiveup
    91 | September 24, 2010 1:29 pm

    tunnelrat wrote:

    OT, I have been gone for a few days and just now learned about Cato being banned. I suggest that we start a pool to guess the exact date and time at which his account is reinstated. There is no question that he will crawl back to CJ and beg for his account back.

    My guess is tonight @7:00 PM EDT

    The fat sick bastard turncoat hippie is now defending Colburn and using it to attack all favorite new targets. What a piece of work.


  92. snork
    92 | September 24, 2010 1:29 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    They probably have mail service there. We’d have to send him to Antarctica.

    But it’s melting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  93. 93 | September 24, 2010 1:32 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ MikeA:
    No doubt. This thing with DoJ would destroy a Republican Administration (and it should). That Justice is being doled out to fit a racist paradigm should offend all Americans, but it won’t get any play in the MFM, and the Republicans will be “colliegial” about it (and not mention it). It is beyond frustrating.

    Fox is covering it and covering it hard, Coats testimony was utterly devastating to the Obamanation and that’s how Fox is playing it. Fox is running with the statement “The Department of Justice is no longer the Department of Justice for all”…


  94. wolfie
    94 | September 24, 2010 1:34 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    There is no where that a satellite uplink cannot be made from. Well, unless you are under a mountain, as in literally underground.

    Hmmm. There’s many a dead-zone hollow in these Appalachian hills.
    And the natives would looooooooove Loody.
    Heh.


  95. snork
    95 | September 24, 2010 1:35 pm

    Lood and Miss S up in the Northern woods.


  96. 96 | September 24, 2010 1:36 pm

    @ snork:

    That tree doesn’t look inflatable to me…


  97. Canoe Convoy
    97 | September 24, 2010 1:44 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Indeed, it is getting to the point where we will have no other choice left, but to utterly obliterate them. While I think it will be a sad day when that comes to pass, in the end it will be an improvement.


  98. Canoe Convoy
    98 | September 24, 2010 1:52 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Tristan Da Cunha Island, perhaps ?

    Perhaps somewhere in the South Sandwich Islands . . . . ?


  99. 99 | September 24, 2010 1:52 pm

    wolfie wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    There is no where that a satellite uplink cannot be made from. Well, unless you are under a mountain, as in literally underground.
    Hmmm. There’s many a dead-zone hollow in these Appalachian hills.
    And the natives would looooooooove Loody.
    Heh.

    Might be dead zones for your cell phone but not for a satellite uplink. You just have to know where to point the dish. There are over 1000 satellites up there, and believe it or not, if you know what you are doing you can bounce a signal of anyone that is still functional. (ps, Satellite hacking is the new phone phreaking)


  100. 100 | September 24, 2010 1:55 pm

    Canoe Convoy wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Indeed, it is getting to the point where we will have no other choice left, but to utterly obliterate them. While I think it will be a sad day when that comes to pass, in the end it will be an improvement.

    What would be so sad about removing a parasitic threat to humanity from the face of the earth? Was eliminating smallpox a sad event? would eliminating cancer be a sad event?


  101. wolfie
    101 | September 24, 2010 1:56 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Obama is not a wilsonian, as i said

    Agreed.
    And I think one reason why the Democrats cannot come up with a coherent foreign policy is because they are divided between the old liberal Wilsonian impulse and the neo-Marxist/Maoist one. The division isn’t just between groups, but in the mind of individual Democrats.

    Because neo-Marxism is more consistent with the domestic agenda, which depends so much on multicult, PC, elite-rule nonsense, I think it’s natural that it should come to dominate the Democrats’ foreign policy. Obama is just accelerating the process.

    (Good essay, CW!)


  102. 102 | September 24, 2010 1:58 pm

    @ Canoe Convoy:

    It is a sad day because it is not something that anyone sane would want to do. But it may be neccessary. I wrote a long time ago that the Mohammedans were driving us in the general direction of a rational rationale for genocide. When the vast majority of them declare on a seemingly daily basis that the world isn’t big enough for the both of us, that we must surrender completely or die, and every time we hold off on truly punishing them that mercy is taken as weakness, we are well on our way there. I’d like to try a traditional decimation, first, though. I really think that that would work. The problem is that the Muzz believe themselves invincible, and they believe that we would never seriously harm them. They have solid reasons for believing the latter even if the former is a complete delusion. We need to correct their world view. The late General Robert E. Lee said that it was “Well that war was so terrible, or we should grow too fond of it”. War to our enemies is not terrible. They have grown fond of it. We must disabuse them of this notion.


  103. 103 | September 24, 2010 1:59 pm

    @ wolfie:

    May Republicans are Wilsonian as well. WIlliam Kristol, Paul Wolfowitz and David Frum are examples.


  104. 104 | September 24, 2010 1:59 pm

    New DOD!

    Chuck sees Old Men


  105. wolfie
    105 | September 24, 2010 2:01 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    So we’re going to have to shove him down an old mine, eh?

    Or perhaps, as Churchill said when he heard of the death of Stanley Baldwin,
    “Cremate. Bury at sea. Embalm. Take no chances.”


  106. wolfie
    106 | September 24, 2010 2:03 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yes. The neo-conservatives are really paleo-liberals (Wilsonians)!


  107. waldensianspirit
    107 | September 24, 2010 2:05 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    New DOD!
    Chuck sees Old Men

    Btw, he’s done this before. In all seriousness people who have issues with older folks have a tendency to shorten their own longevity.


  108. spinmore
    108 | September 24, 2010 2:05 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    can’t argue wit dat


  109. F
    109 | September 24, 2010 2:05 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    he is a Third World Liberation theologist

    What happened to that “Wall of Separation” between Church and State? Obama’s theology drives both his foreign and domestic policies, to the detriment of American intrests both at home and abroad. Vile, he is, but determined. He will drive America into the ground no matter what the long-term damage to the Democrat Party.

    Barry’s theology is the same as that of Islam, expedient religious declaimings as a veneer over totalitarian politics of the worst sort.

    Even the Dems, when push comes to shove, want a relatively strong and separate America that they can control, so it is no wonder that Barry is practicing slash and burn policies since he wants this country utterly destroyed and prostrate, carrion to the Islamic/Despotic vultures.


  110. snork
    110 | September 24, 2010 2:26 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Btw, he’s done this before. In all seriousness people who have issues with older folks have a tendency to shorten their own longevity.

    He’s in denial of his own oldness and whiteness. And fatness and lameness, and dumbitude, and…


  111. 111 | September 24, 2010 2:53 pm

    Interesting post, Coldwarrior.

    Nothing intrinsically wrong with either view. When to apply either -- with success -- is the difficulty.


  112. 112 | September 24, 2010 3:50 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    It is the aggressor who gets to choose what type of war it is. If the aggressor chooses to fight a war of extermination against us, then that is what they must get in return. :twisted:

    At least, until such time as the remnants of the enemy choose otherwise.


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