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Is Europe Waking Up?

by coldwarrior ( 104 Comments › )
Filed under Europe, Islamic Invasion, Politics at September 30th, 2010 - 11:30 am

Der Speigel has this map accompanying this article about the rise of the right in Europe:

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I encourage Blogmocrats to read the article at its source. Here is an excerpt:

Right-wing populism itself isn’t anything new. It has been a fixed entity for about 30 years in many European countries, sometimes successfully and sometimes not. What is new, however, is that the right-wing populists have discovered an issue that is much more appealing to voters than the usual anger against foreigners and the political class. They have found a powerful new issue in resistance against the growing visibility of Islam in Europe. They portray themselves as the defenders of European values, and yet both they and their voters seem to care very little that some of those values, such as freedom of religion, are being trampled on in the struggle.

The fear that Muslim immigrants could change the character of European society penetrates deeply into the middle of society. In German opinion polls, about three-quarters of respondents say they are concerned about the influence of Islam. Similar sentiments are voiced in other countries, even though immigration to Europe has been in decline for years.

Perhaps, as in America, the Middle Class in Europe , the Average Klaus-Detlef in this case, is awakening to the threat of Islam and is willing to go to the streets and polling booth to secure his culture and land against this foreign invasion of a fascist expansionist political movement dressed up as a ‘religion’.

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  1. 1 | September 30, 2010 11:39 am

    Poitiers and Leptano. The Europeans need to remember their heritage before it is too late.


  2. 2 | September 30, 2010 11:39 am

    I don’t think Islam will takeover Europe. Nationalistic regimes will rise and throw the Muzzies out. The problem is that becasue of the Saudis/Islamic strangle hold on our government, We would probably go to war with Europe to save the Muzzies.

    Ask the Serbs.


  3. 3 | September 30, 2010 11:42 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The sad part is if our government whether Democrat or Republican, would go to war with Europe to help the Muzzies. That’s why need to eliminate the Saudi/Islamic influence on our government. Once we are free, then the Europeans will be able to free themselves.


  4. coldwarrior
    4 | September 30, 2010 11:42 am

    @ Rodan:

    i dont think so…

    we are well aware of the muzz threat now. we weren’t when billy boy needed to cover up his dalliances with the intern.

    i dont think the american public would stand for us helping the muzz in europe


  5. 5 | September 30, 2010 11:44 am

    @ Rodan:

    It would depend on who was President. Get another Clinton in there, or Obama, and you are right. President Palin, not so much. There’s something you should like about Palin. She isn’t, from what I’ve seen, owned by the Saudis. She wasn’t big enough for them to invest in until she sprung fully-formed onto the political stage. And I don’t think she is for sale.


  6. The Osprey
    6 | September 30, 2010 11:46 am

    VLAAMS BELAANG!


  7. 7 | September 30, 2010 11:46 am

    Off-Topic (I was going to post in an Open Thread, but there wasn’t one) : I was captioning and I thought of you guys. (See Number 4)


  8. 8 | September 30, 2010 11:47 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Yes, I agree, she’s not their stooge. Unlike the last Republican. You know if a European Country began deporting the Muzzies, Bush would of send in US forces in the name of religious freedom. A President Romney or Huckabee would do the same.

    Palin, Rubio or Pence would no way in hell get involved!

    2010 and 2012 is critical!


  9. 9 | September 30, 2010 11:48 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    It depends who is President. If it’s Obama, Romney or Huckabee, they would under the guise of religious freedom and democracy. Palin, Rubio or Pence, no way.

    I hope.


  10. 10 | September 30, 2010 11:51 am

    Watch, Spain. The Partido Popular has made it clear once they’re back in power, the Muzz will be treated as 2nd class. They can leave or deal with it. Spain will be the test, watch!


  11. coldwarrior
    11 | September 30, 2010 11:51 am

    The Osprey wrote:

    VLAAMS BELAANG!

    VLAAAAAMS BELANG!!!

    (ya need 5 A’s in there ’cause they’re raaaaacist, remember? :lol: )


  12. 12 | September 30, 2010 11:52 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Ron Paul controls them!


  13. coldwarrior
    13 | September 30, 2010 11:52 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Watch, SPain. The Partido Popular has made it clear once they’re back in power, the Muzz will be treated as 2nd class. They can leave or deal with it. Spain will be the test, watch!

    treat the muzz the same way they would treat you, infidel.


  14. 14 | September 30, 2010 11:52 am

    @ Rodan:

    Did you read this? I am afraid I agree with the general thesis. If fits everything I am seeing. I don’t see the real estate market ever getting back to where it was. It will “recover”, but a lot of these houses that are upside-down are going to default. I was talking with my realator the other day and she said they had just had a class on short-sells, that short-sells were going to be the wave of the future for some time. Lovely. The article isn’t as hars on Obama’s pilliaging the treasury as it should be. That pretty much wrecks us long term. I don’t see how we get out of $2 trillion in new, worthless debt. We can’t grow our way out of it. A hundred years from now they will still be paying on it, and we got nothing for it. I’m pissed.


  15. coldwarrior
    15 | September 30, 2010 11:53 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Ron Paul controls them!

    so does Big Tulips!


  16. 16 | September 30, 2010 11:55 am

    The Osprey wrote:

    VLAAMS BELAANG!

    MMDA and Techno Viking too!


  17. Beeduwine
    17 | September 30, 2010 11:55 am

    That list is not accurate. Apples and oranges. Some of the parties listed cannot even be labelled ‘right’.


  18. The Osprey
    18 | September 30, 2010 11:56 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Poitiers and Leptano. The Europeans need to remember their heritage before it is too late.

    Vienna, 1683!

    Vivat Sobieski!


  19. coldwarrior
    19 | September 30, 2010 11:56 am

    Beeduwine wrote:

    That list is not accurate. Apples and oranges. Some of the parties listed cannot even be labelled ‘right’.

    please elaborate and i will add it to the post.

    we can really use some euro input here.


  20. 20 | September 30, 2010 11:59 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    My God, this is really some scary shit. Hey we have an open spot tonight, 6:30-9. Wnat to write up on this?


  21. 21 | September 30, 2010 12:00 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    Let’s not forget Leo the Isuarian and Constantinople in 717 Ad as well.!


  22. 22 | September 30, 2010 12:00 pm

    @ Rodan:

    OK. I’ll have to be brief, but let me take a whack at it.


  23. 23 | September 30, 2010 12:00 pm

    Beeduwine wrote:

    That list is not accurate. Apples and oranges. Some of the parties listed cannot even be labelled ‘right’.

    They also left out the Partido Popular in Spain.


  24. 24 | September 30, 2010 12:01 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    OK. I’ll have to be brief, but let me take a whack at it.

    Cool, doesn’t have to be long. Just we need it out there!


  25. coldwarrior
    25 | September 30, 2010 12:01 pm

    @ Rodan:

    heh, cashed out my 401 at 14k, refied my house in 1999for a lower interest rate and paid off all credit cards …i am not upside down, thankfully


  26. coldwarrior
    26 | September 30, 2010 12:02 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    hooray king sobieski!


  27. coldwarrior
    27 | September 30, 2010 12:04 pm

    @ Rodan:

    hey, if beeduwine adds something put it on the above post. i am taking my parents to costco to pick out a hd tv…they are entering the 21st century!

    bbl


  28. tanker on the horizon
    28 | September 30, 2010 12:04 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    ODIN’S CROSS!!!!!


  29. Beeduwine
    29 | September 30, 2010 12:05 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    On my iPhone here, so typing is limited. One example: Progress party (N) is all for expanding state involvement in health care (elderly people, etc) and increased spending. It is a populist party, sometimes right, sometimes wrong.

    There is nothing wrong with a bit of populism, but populism does not always equal ‘right’.


  30. Bumr50
    30 | September 30, 2010 12:10 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    i am taking my parents to costco to pick out a hd tv…they are entering the 21st century!

    bbl

    It may be a while.

    You’ll probably have to explain the remote.


  31. Beeduwine
    31 | September 30, 2010 12:11 pm

    I am not familiar with all the parties listed, but I do know a little bit about the northern and western european ones. What they have in common is a varying degree of sceptisism regarding islam.

    But know this: Nothing will happen in Europe until the left wakes up. The left is the key.


  32. 32 | September 30, 2010 12:16 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Did you read this? I am afraid I agree with the general thesis. If fits everything I am seeing. I don’t see the real estate market ever getting back to where it was. It will “recover”, but a lot of these houses that are upside-down are going to default. I was talking with my realator the other day and she said they had just had a class on short-sells, that short-sells were going to be the wave of the future for some time. Lovely. The article isn’t as hars on Obama’s pilliaging the treasury as it should be. That pretty much wrecks us long term. I don’t see how we get out of $2 trillion in new, worthless debt. We can’t grow our way out of it. A hundred years from now they will still be paying on it, and we got nothing for it. I’m pissed.

    Dont get it fucked up, the real-estate market got fucked up because a shit load of people foolishly believed that real estate could return a 20 percent increase in value per year. It was a ponzi styled scam that caught tens of millions of people.

    A realistic return on an investment is 5 -- 7 percent, anything more than that and you are getting into high risk investments.


  33. 33 | September 30, 2010 12:17 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Done! :D


  34. 34 | September 30, 2010 12:18 pm

    Beeduwine wrote:

    But know this: Nothing will happen in Europe until the left wakes up. The left is the key.

    The left will only wake up once they are securely imprisoned in hell.


  35. Beeduwine
    35 | September 30, 2010 12:18 pm

    Regarding left/right in Europe: The democratic party would be considered a conservative party in many or most european countries.


  36. Philip_Daniel
    36 | September 30, 2010 12:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ The Osprey:
    Let’s not forget Leo the Isuarian and Constantinople in 717 Ad as well.!

    How about the joint Pisan-Genoan expedition against the Saracens occupying Sardinia, in 1015-16? Often overlooked, yet one of the major early victories of Western Christendom against Islam in Western Europe. There are others, too, such as the Battle of the Garigliano in 915 between the Papacy and the Emirate of Traetto (adjacent to Naples), or the Battle of Tourtour in 973 which dislodged the Saracens of the Emirate of Fraxinet (in Provence) from their bases in France, Switzerland, and Italy. And that’s just against the first, Arabian-Berber wave of invaders…


  37. RIX
    37 | September 30, 2010 12:23 pm

    They portray themselves as the defenders of European values, and yet both they and their voters seem to care very little that some of those values, such as freedom of religion, are being trampled on in the struggle.

    Der Speigel is being willfuly obtuse in the above assertion.
    It is not reliigious bigotry or nativism that is driving negative
    attitudes toward Islam in Europe.
    It is a growing awarenes that Islam is a violent, triumphalist
    ideology wrapped in a death cult religion.
    It is not hateful to refuse to accept people who refuse to assimilate & seek to dominate.


  38. Beeduwine
    38 | September 30, 2010 12:24 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    If there is ever to come a ‘revolution’ regarding immigration in europe, the left has to be on board. Like it or not.


  39. garycooper
    39 | September 30, 2010 12:24 pm

    The Fatass is going to freak. :)


  40. 40 | September 30, 2010 12:33 pm

    @ Beeduwine:

    Then you are doomed. Leftism is a dead-end path in and of itself. It will never acknowledge the Mohammedan threat, because that would mean admitting that it was wrong about multi-culturalism. You (obviously) know Europe better than me, but I see the nuts marching in the streets because they can’t retire at full salary at 57 and shit. They don’t live in the real world. We are told our education system sucks, and that is true, but if what I am seeing from Europe is truly an example, they you all have it worse.


  41. Bob in Breckenridge
    41 | September 30, 2010 12:35 pm

    New Muslim college welcomes freshmen in California

    BERKELEY, Calif. (AP) — Amid the uproar over the proposed mosque near ground zero in New York, a new Islamic college recently opened its doors in California with plans to educate a new generation of Muslim-American leaders.

    Founded by three prominent Islamic scholars, Zaytuna College in Berkeley is a small school with just five faculty members and 15 students in its inaugural freshman class. The school wants to become the country’s first fully accredited Muslim academic institution.

    Zaytuna College is opening at a time when fierce opposition to the proposed Islamic community center and mosque near the former World Trade Center has left many American Muslims feeling under siege.

    Zaytuna has generated little controversy in this famously liberal college town, but some conservatives question the founders’ motives. Frank Gaffney, president of the Center for Security Policy, a conservative think tank, accuses the school of seeking to indoctrinate students and spread Islam in America.

    “This is stealth jihad in the sense that it is about promoting in the United States incubators for sharia,” the religious law of Islam, said Gaffney, who served as deputy assistant secretary of defense in the Reagan administration.

    Read more: http://www.gopusa.com/news/2010/09/new-muslim-college-welcomes-freshmen-in-california.php#ixzz1120iIoZT


  42. 42 | September 30, 2010 12:42 pm

    Beeduwine wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    If there is ever to come a ‘revolution’ regarding immigration in europe, the left has to be on board. Like it or not.

    It has nothing to do with my liking it or not liking it, it has to do with what is written in the last book of the Christian Scriptures.


  43. Beeduwine
    43 | September 30, 2010 12:44 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Heh. Greece is special. I have to disagree on the blanket statement regarding the left. There is also a rational left.

    The strongest argument for dismanteling the “multi cultural” experiment is actually a social democratic one.


  44. snowcrash
    44 | September 30, 2010 12:46 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    Is that a private university? How do you feel about Bob Jones Univ, or Brigham Young? They are many private religious colleges of all denominations.


  45. Beeduwine
    45 | September 30, 2010 12:49 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    You need to shed some light there, because that stuff is confusing.


  46. MikeA
    46 | September 30, 2010 12:51 pm

    The problem with the multi-culti experiment is that all cultures are not equal. you cannot have one culture that values individual thought and freedom coexist with one that seeks only to dominate and subjugate all others. islam does not recognize anything besides it self. It is like the Borg collective. All must be assimilated into the hive mentality. It is very similar to communism / marxism / nazism. All are based on the individual being nothing and all going to the state. We value personal freedom. They do not.


  47. 47 | September 30, 2010 12:52 pm

    @ Beeduwine:

    Socialism has failed everywhere it has been tried. It has a long and bloody history of failuer, and I don’t think that you can point to any successes that it has had that have lasted for any reasonable period of time. Of course, that depends on how you define success. If you want an artifically low standard of living, then Socialism is your vehicle of choice. Even here in America, our problems for the most part stem from too much experimentation with Socialist and quasi-socialist problems. The biggest causte of the housing bubble was the Community Reinvestment Act that basically required lenders to give loans to people they knew would be unable to pay them back. It is a bit more complex than that, but that is athe core dysfunction that led to the mess. Even after the bubble collapsed, I heard a Democrat congresscritter complain that if they changed the CRA/Freddie MAc/Fannie Mae that people that couldn’t afford housing wouldn’t be able to buy housing. Well, go figure. The only place socialism can be shown to work is in religious monestaries. There you can have “from each according to his measure, to each according to his need”, but that is because all the people involved are dedicated to something higher than themselves. In Marxism, the State was supposed to take this position, but that simply does not work.


  48. Bob in Breckenridge
    49 | September 30, 2010 12:59 pm

    snowcrash wrote:

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    Is that a private university? How do you feel about Bob Jones Univ, or Brigham Young? They are many private religious colleges of all denominations.

    Are you f**king kidding me? Comparing BYU or even Bob Jones to a muslim college?


  49. MikeA
    50 | September 30, 2010 1:00 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I look at “socialism” as two forms.

    Weak Form of Europe -- You end up with a compliant society that will fight for nothing and wants govt to do everything for you. High unemployment and a pretty stagnent economy. Only works when you have a benefactor to keep you safe. Big, bad, evil America does that nicely for Europe. They don’t have to spend on defense very much and can depend on us for protection. They also lose all interest in God. In the end, the society implodes due to another stronger society taking over (i.e. muzzies )

    Strong Form -- USSR, etc. -- Totally overbearing control of every walk of life. Innovation is curtailed. Personal freedom is gone. Only the a religion of loyalty to the state or to the ummah is allowed. All other desent is crushed. Again, eventually implodes due to not being able to meet the needs of its people.


  50. m
    51 | September 30, 2010 1:02 pm

    @ Beeduwine:

    It isn’t just Greece. Yesterday, it was Belgium & Spain protests all over the news.


  51. snowcrash
    52 | September 30, 2010 1:05 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    Here is the deal, is it private or is it taking tax dollars? Is it breaking the law in any way? If not, is there any damn thing you can do about it? You have an answer or just pissed off? I dont like it either. Just hope the Bill of Rights protects us all.


  52. 53 | September 30, 2010 1:05 pm

    @ MikeA:

    Both fail in the long term, though. Europe, as you say, only exists because of American largess. We gave them the safety to experiment, and their experiment is a total failure. What remains to be seen is what, if anything , pulls out of the failure. If Beeduwine is right, nothing will. They will be Eurabia in truth in 20 years, a sterile desert of a land where nothing flourishes. Saudi Arabia without the oil, or the wilds of Waziristan. Switzerland may be safe, inside her ring of mountains, but France is gone. America isn’t going to come riding in on her white horse this time. We have problems of our own.


  53. snowcrash
    54 | September 30, 2010 1:07 pm

    This is probably dumb, but how come membership in the EU isn’t blamed? It broke down national barriers and allowed easy immigration of all groups to countries where they can get generous social programs and pensions that they really havent earned. Probably a lot of factors have contributed to the rise.


  54. Nevergiveup
    55 | September 30, 2010 1:08 pm

    The idiot in the WH press office refuses to say that Rahm is leaving to run for Mayor of Chicago.


  55. Philip_Daniel
    56 | September 30, 2010 1:09 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Switzerland may be safe, inside her ring of mountains

    Some of the cantons, such as Le Valais and Les Grisons, were briefly Daru’l-Islam under the Emirs of Fraxinet in the 10th century, and thus must be returned to Islamic rule. Nevertheless, the descendants of Guillaime Tell are tough people, and would resist such encroachment.


  56. MikeA
    57 | September 30, 2010 1:10 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Even Switzerland may not be totally safe. It would be an island in a sea of islam. They have been know to make “deals” with people. They also have their own muzzie problem. The muzzie are like a cancer. Everywhere they go, they destroy and provide nothing but pain and misery. Even in their history, the contributors were not muzzies but the subjugated peoples who converted. islam does not believe in a rational god whose creation you can understand.


  57. snowcrash
    58 | September 30, 2010 1:10 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Switzerland isnt in the EU either.


  58. snowcrash
    59 | September 30, 2010 1:11 pm

    Must find lunch, bbl.


  59. 60 | September 30, 2010 1:12 pm

    @ snowcrash:

    It is socialism that is causing it to fail. The EU might would have succeeded if it had a strong market economy, protections of individual liberties, and so forth. It would have been somewhat more problematic than welding the United States together where we at least had a common language, but it would have been, I believe, doable. Socialism fails everywhere it is tried. Our experiments with Socialism here in the United States are failing. Social Security, Medicaid, etc. are part of what is destroying this country. They are what is driving us towards economic collapse. Socialism just doesn’t work. No amount of pixie dust an wishful thinking will change that.


  60. Beeduwine
    61 | September 30, 2010 1:14 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Misunderstand me right. I am not arguing for socialism. The point I was trying to make, but failed to elaborate on, is that the strongest argument against a “multi-cultural” society in Europe lies, I think, within a social democratic framework.

    This guy has written a lot on the subject. Some of it in English:

    http://folk.uio.no/sigurds/

    The point is, there are certain things that has to be in place in a society for a social democracy to work. Short story: Massive immigration and multi-culturalism does not agree with any of this.

    Europeans love their social democracies. When they finally realize this is being jeopardized by immigration and multi-culturalism, the left will get on board.

    But then it will probably be too late.


  61. Guggi
    62 | September 30, 2010 1:16 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    Vivat Sobieski!

    Vivat Herzog Karl V. von Lothringen ! He was the one who worked out the plan of action and who was actually the military leader. Sobieski came late but because he had fought so many fights with the Turks he was titular the military leader.


  62. m
    63 | September 30, 2010 1:18 pm

    @ snowcrash:

    Said with your own nic! I’m proud of you! (I also agree, lol) I hate it, but it is what it is…


  63. The Osprey
    64 | September 30, 2010 1:19 pm

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    First Butts- Left to right – Princess Letizia of Spain, French first lady Carla Bruni and, guess who the third one is???

    Is Princess Leitzia married to that shoemaker guy who looks like Mr. Bean?


  64. taxfreekiller
    65 | September 30, 2010 1:19 pm

    What we hear is that the RED COMMIE DEMOCRATS AND THE RINO RATS are going for a full amnest for illegals in December.

    Full Alert.


  65. 66 | September 30, 2010 1:21 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    Yeah, I can see that. I think the Lame Duck Congress will be in the mood to punish the voters. Amnesty, gun control, a VAT, I wouldn’t put any of that past them.


  66. taxfreekiller
    67 | September 30, 2010 1:27 pm

    Some from a group I know of are contacting Constitutional Atty’s to see if the courts could block them from going into session to work aginst the votes and will of the people.

    @ Iron Fist:


  67. chickadee
    68 | September 30, 2010 1:28 pm

    What the weak lib pols have been doing in Europe, zero has done here.
    The people have been sold out and they are going to rise up. I think Europeans are inspired by what we are doing here. Putting our foot down, saying no to muzz coddling, refusing to give up our rights to these savages. Also people are looking at history now and observing what the muzz are doing everywhere they spread like a cancer in the world.
    Reality is settling in abt. the scourge of islam.
    The muzz are not going to be able to stick their filthy asses in the air and shut down traffic much longer. They are inviting major beat downs with their intimidation tactics.


  68. Guggi
    69 | September 30, 2010 1:29 pm

    @ Beeduwine:

    But know this: Nothing will happen in Europe until the left wakes up. The left is the key.

    They never will wake up, never. Lefties still believe that only the “poor”, uneducated and old ones are aigainst Islam. They are to stupid to figure out that all over Europe it is the youth who becomes more and more disgusted. Germany doesn’t have a national right-wing party at the moment but Austria has (FPOE) and believe it or not, even Muslims vote for the FPOE because they are fed up with more and more not integrated Muslims. They are the ones who will tell you “that there is no more space for immigrants from Musim countries”.


  69. Nevergiveup
    70 | September 30, 2010 1:29 pm

    Susan Estrich is on FOX. Gag me.


  70. MikeA
    71 | September 30, 2010 1:30 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    Interesting. It would be a temper tantrum and I wouldn’t put it past them but… they would be signing the death knell of the Dem party with that. People would really hate them. The health care passage is sinking them now. If they do all this other stuff… WOW…

    Guess I better buy more guns and ammo before December…


  71. 72 | September 30, 2010 1:32 pm

    Beeduwine wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    You need to shed some light there, because that stuff is confusing.

    Book of Revelation 14:8-11

    8And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

    9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

    10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

    11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

    What this means is actually both very simple and very disturbing.

    It means that there will be a very large group of people who will choose to follow a ideology constructed of lies, deceits and half-truths. They will even know that the ideology they are following is one of lies, deceits and half-truths, and yet they will choose it anyway. They will choose an ideology which has as it’s fundamental foundation the philosophical premise, that “The End Justifies the Means”.

    The reason that leftists are willing and able to tolerate and accept Islamic tactics is that they are both supported by that basic foundation. To the leftists the only question regarding Islam is how do we betray them once they are no longer useful. It does not occur to them that Islam is the False Prophet referenced in the Book of Revelation because they do not believe in God.

    Since they do not believe in God, they likewise also do not believe in Allah, what they do believe is that as they built their case against Christianity by asserting their belief that God does not exist and therefore removed most of Christianity’s influence in Europe and America so they can also use the exact same tactic with Islam.

    If you understand exactly what Lucifer’s sins were you can understand why the foundation of both Marxism/Socialism/Communism and Islam come from. Lucifer was created perfect in wisdom, perfect in knowledge and perfect in power. In the book of Isaiah Lucifer asserts his own will five distinct times.

    Isaiah 14:13-14

    13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

    14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

    In those five assertions of his will Lucifer defined the philosophical premise that “The End Justifies the Means”. Those who accept and follow that premise find themselves constantly being trapped in ever tightening bonds of restraint.

    Little by little with each choice their range of movements and choices become narrower and narrower until they eventually have no range of movement or choice.


  72. 73 | September 30, 2010 1:32 pm

    @ MikeA:

    That was my best suggestion. All the people who have been buying guns and ammo since Zero was elected look prescient now…


  73. Nevergiveup
    74 | September 30, 2010 1:34 pm

    Italy demands Apple remove ‘offensive’ What Country iPhone app from its online store
    Italy’s tourism minister has demanded that Apple remove the “offensive” What Country app from its online store after the travel guide described the Italy as the home of “pizza, the Mafia and scooters”.

    Or else?


  74. citizen_q
    75 | September 30, 2010 1:34 pm

    @ Philip_Daniel:

    This is off topic, but only tangentially so to your post.

    I know that once under the rule of islam a land is permanently islamic, but do you know what is the islamic justification?


  75. Beeduwine
    76 | September 30, 2010 1:37 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Thank you for the light shedding -- I have to read that a couple of times more. Might take a while before I get it.


  76. MikeA
    77 | September 30, 2010 1:40 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    In fact, I plan on buying some more .308 this evening. There is some of the German DAG surplus in 200 rd battle packs that I have been getting. Just bought a bunch of 7.62 X 39 and a bunch of .223. The .223 is PMC Bronze. Not bad stuff…

    And with 70 and sunny this Sat in south east PA… I will be going to the range that afternoon…


  77. Guggi
    79 | September 30, 2010 1:42 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Italy demands Apple remove ‘offensive’ What Country iPhone app from its online store
    Italy’s tourism minister has demanded that Apple remove the “offensive” What Country app from its online store after the travel guide described the Italy as the home of “pizza, the Mafia and scooters”.
    Or else?

    Every year Europol asks every single EU-member state about their expert knowledge of organized crime. Two or three years ago the government of Italy wrote back they know nothing about organized crime and have never heard of Mafia, Cosa Nostra etc. Since then Europol has refused to publish incoming reports and publishes only abstracts.


  78. 80 | September 30, 2010 1:44 pm

    Beeduwine wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Thank you for the light shedding – I have to read that a couple of times more. Might take a while before I get it.

    I’ve been studying this stuff for 30 years and believe me I still struggle with it as well.


  79. Beeduwine
    81 | September 30, 2010 1:45 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Many lefty politicians or prominant figures in Europe are saying the “correct” things in public, but in private, they know what is at stake.


  80. 82 | September 30, 2010 1:45 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    The Muzz would be foolish to compromise when they can win. It is the same in the Middle East. Israel keeps giving up shit and the Palestinians give up nothing. Sooner or later, at that rate Israel will cease to meaningfully exist. All the Muzz have to do is hold fast. It isn’t like Israel is punishing them for their intranzigance.


  81. 83 | September 30, 2010 1:49 pm

    Beeduwine wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Many lefty politicians or prominant figures in Europe are saying the “correct” things in public, but in private, they know what is at stake.

    No the majority dont, they only think they know, and they are profoundly mistaken. If they really knew what is at stake their actions would be immediate and decisive.


  82. 84 | September 30, 2010 1:51 pm

    Taxes are for the little people…


  83. snork
    85 | September 30, 2010 1:51 pm

    Beeduwine wrote:

    @ Guggi:

    Many lefty politicians or prominant figures in Europe are saying the “correct” things in public, but in private, they know what is at stake.

    Well, that really helps, now doesn’t it? They know they’re toast, but are afraid to admit it. Why am I not feeling optimistic?


  84. 86 | September 30, 2010 1:52 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    The Muzz would be foolish to compromise when they can win. It is the same in the Middle East. Israel keeps giving up shit and the Palestinians give up nothing. Sooner or later, at that rate Israel will cease to meaningfully exist. All the Muzz have to do is hold fast. It isn’t like Israel is punishing them for their intranzigance.

    Yup, the muzz are fighting a war of attrition, as long as they refuse to give up and everyone else is willing to compromise they will eventually win.


  85. citizen_q
    87 | September 30, 2010 1:55 pm

    @ MikeA:

    I am hoping to make it to Chantilly for the Nations Gun-Show this week-end. Usually some good stuff to see, and hopefully there will be some reasonably priced .223/5.56.


  86. Beeduwine
    88 | September 30, 2010 1:57 pm

    @ snork:

    Yup. Doesn’t help much. But when the climate changes, they will come out of the closet. I’m just afraid that by then, the train has left the station.


  87. Guggi
    89 | September 30, 2010 1:58 pm

    Beeduwine wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Many lefty politicians or prominant figures in Europe are saying the “correct” things in public, but in private, they know what is at stake.

    Conservative politicians too. They aren’t better. When Sarrazin came up with his new book chancellor Merkel (CDU) and Bundespraesident Wulff (also CDU) cried loud “racism”, “inacceptable”, “has to go”. None of them had even read the book otherwise they would know that the facts in the book are common knowledge and were published before in lefty newspapers as “Sueddeutsche Zeitung”, “Der Spiegel” or NYT. The conclusions he made are disputable but not the facts. And his conclusion are anything else than racist because he goes not only after uneducated immigrants but against poorly educated Germans too and against the welfare state.


  88. Beeduwine
    90 | September 30, 2010 2:00 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Also true.


  89. snork
    91 | September 30, 2010 2:03 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Conservative politicians too. They aren’t better.

    I’ve been saying this for years, and I’ll say it again. The success of the more extreme parties is a direct consequence of the unwillingness to tackle problems that everyone in the public agrees are problems. In Europe, the problem that shall not be mentioned is legal immigration. In the US, it’s illegal immigration. In both continents, the elites in all of the major centrist parties want to pretend that there isn’t a problem, and then they’re astonished when some of the more extreme elements start to gain support.

    The centrist mainstream parties made their own beds, and now we all have to sleep in them, bedbugs and all. Thanks a lot for nothing, donkeyphants and their European analog.


  90. Guggi
    92 | September 30, 2010 2:05 pm

    Let me get this straight. We’re going to be “gifted” with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don’t, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn’t read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by a president who also smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes, to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that’s broke.

    What the hell could possibly go wrong?


  91. m
    93 | September 30, 2010 2:09 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Besides everything.

    (good to see you!)


  92. Guggi
    94 | September 30, 2010 2:15 pm

    But two countries on the list are different: neither Lithuania nor Hungary have an immigration problem.

    @ m:

    Thanks ;-)


  93. 95 | September 30, 2010 2:18 pm

    @ Guggi:

    My company is forcing us to get cheaper plans. For 5 years, my rates didn’t go up. Now they are going up.

    Hope and Change!


  94. m
    96 | September 30, 2010 2:19 pm

    UK: Police Apologise For Spying On Muslims

    I wonder if they apologized to the rest of the populace for the cameras ALL OVER THE FUCKING COUNTRY?! No? Just the ones in muzz neighborhoods. Gotcha.


  95. 97 | September 30, 2010 2:40 pm

    Unfortunately the Left -- the really crazy version of the Left is still rampant in most parts of Europe. The rising Right needs to be cautious as to who they partner with and make sure that some of the groups they partner with are truly changing their stripes and not just covering ‘em up with pretty window-dressing, as there are significant numbers of folks who would Sieg Heil if given the opportunity. (I lived in Bavaria and know this first hand, though eastern Germany and eastern Europe has a much higher number of these folks they were certainly not rare around the parts I lived).


  96. The Osprey
    98 | September 30, 2010 2:54 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Italy demands Apple remove ‘offensive’ What Country iPhone app from its online store
    Italy’s tourism minister has demanded that Apple remove the “offensive” What Country app from its online store after the travel guide described the Italy as the home of “pizza, the Mafia and scooters”.

    Or else?

    They forgot Topo Gigio!


  97. m
    99 | September 30, 2010 3:37 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    LOL! Cute ~:)


  98. m
    100 | September 30, 2010 3:44 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Don’t you dare try to blame that on Obamacare, even if it’s true. Sebelius will getcha!


  99. 101 | September 30, 2010 4:00 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    The sad part is if our government whether Democrat or Republican, would go to war with Europe to help the Muzzies. That’s why need to eliminate the Saudi/Islamic influence on our government. Once we are free, then the Europeans will be able to free themselves.

    Exactly.


  100. 102 | September 30, 2010 4:04 pm

    @ The Osprey:
    They forgot some other stuff:

    Gnocchis, lasagna and all kinds of other pasta, Italian sausage, wine, bread, fine art, fine music, fine architecture and design, fashion…also they did fight heroically in WWI. The reason they did NOT fight heroically in WWII is because the Italian population, by and large, was too decent to lend much support to Il Duce or to genocide against the Jews.


  101. 103 | September 30, 2010 4:34 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    Even to get that, you have to put in some ongoing effort (doing your homework, making sure nothing is going wrong) as well as putting in your money.


  102. Philip_Daniel
    104 | September 30, 2010 8:00 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Philip_Daniel:
    This is off topic, but only tangentially so to your post.
    I know that once under the rule of islam a land is permanently islamic, but do you know what is the islamic justification?

    Land which is conquered by Islamic armies become waqf, or sacred land endowed exclusively for all future Islamic generations; thus, it cannot be relinquished, as it has been “liberated” from the hukm (governance) of man to the hukm of Allah.


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