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NPR fires Juan Williams for telling the truth
NPR Ends Williams’ Contract After Muslim Remarks
(h/t: Nevergiveup and gulfloafer)
by David Folkenflik
October 21, 2010 NPR News has terminated the contract of longtime news analyst Juan Williams after remarks he made on the Fox News Channel about Muslims.
Williams appeared Monday on The O’Reilly Factor, and host Bill O’Reilly asked him to comment on the idea that the U.S. is facing a dilemma with Muslims.
O’Reilly has been looking for support for his own remarks on a recent episode of ABC’s The View in which he directly blamed Muslims for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Co-hosts Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg walked off the set in the middle of his appearance.
Williams responded: “Look, Bill, I’m not a bigot. You know the kind of books I’ve written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous.”
Williams also warned O’Reilly against blaming all Muslims for “extremists,” saying Christians shouldn’t be blamed for Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh.
Yahoo News has more:
…Williams often appears on Fox as the liberal counterpart to one of the network’s conservative hosts or guests. But some NPR listeners — an audience certainly more left-leaning than Fox’s conservative one — don’t see Williams as an advocate for progressive politics when he appears on the cable news network.
Last year, NPR ombudsman Alicia Shepard wrote that Williams had become a “lightning rod” among NPR’s staff and noted many complaints from listeners after an appearance on O’Reilly’s show.
Williams had described First Lady Michelle Obama as having a “Stokely Carmichael in a designer dress thing going,” a reference to the militant African-American activist. After those comments, NPR executives asked that NPR’s logo be removed when he appears on Fox News.
It can be expected that Fox hosts, especially O’Reilly, will have something to say about NPR’s decision.
[...]
Bernie Goldberg, a Fox News contributor and author of several books on what he describes as liberal media bias, offered his take Thursday morning in an email to The Upshot.
“So Juan Williams is fired for saying something the liberals at NPR find controversial?” Goldberg said. “One more piece of evidence that liberals have forgotten how to be liberal.”
Goldberg continued: “These are the kind of people who brag about how open-minded they are — as long as you agree with them. And here’s the dirty little secret: lots and lots of liberals feel the same way Juan does when they get on an airplane. And a lot of those liberals work at NPR. Juan’s ‘crime’ was saying it out loud.”
Weekly Standard Editor and Fox contributor Bill Kristol also had some choice words for NPR, which he dubbed “National Politically-correct Radio.” Kristol concluded a post about the firing by saying: “NPR — unfair, unbalanced … and afraid.”…
Yahoo News points out that NPR is being pressured by CAIR:
(h/t mjazz for pointing this out)
…The Council for American-Islamic Relations sent out a press release Wednesday afternoon calling on NPR to address the matter. Nihad Awad, the organization’s national executive director, called the comments “irresponsible and inflammatory” and said they “should not pass without action by NPR.”
They certainly didn’t. NPR took action Wednesday night and put out a statement regarding the severing of Williams’ contract: “His remarks on ‘The O’Reilly Factor’ this past Monday were inconsistent with our editorial standards and practices, and undermined his credibility as a news analyst with NPR.”…
Why does NPR hate Black People?
By doriangrey
…Now truth be told, as a conservative I find it distasteful to stand up for Juan Williams, because make no mistake about it, Juan is a liberal. However that said, as a conservative I find injustice even more disgusting than standing up for a liberal who has been unfairly treated and maligned. I usually disagree with Juan, however unlike most liberals I do find Juan to be an honest man with integrity, something quite rare in liberals.
To see one of the few genuinely honest intelligent and forthright liberals in America treated with such disrespect is more than I can bare and sit quietly by and watch. I have no choice but to rise in Juan’s defense and denounce in the harshest terms possible the politically correct demagoguery which led National Propaganda Radio to dismiss him. The management at NPR should be fired immediately and NPR defuned by congress and forced to become a regular for profit company having to defend it’s agenda in the commercial arena of idea’s alongside the conservative talk radio and radio news outlets.
The time has come for NPR to sink or swim in accordance to their merits in the market place of ideas.
It’s long past time to stop all taxpayer funding for the grotesquely biased NPR. If American members of the leftist/jihadist contingent still want to watch and listen, let them pay for it themselves through the infamous NPR subscription drives, a/k/a “beg-a-thons.” The rest of us should not be taxed for what amounts to enemy propaganda.
Oh, and by the way, the main telephone number for NPR is (202) 513-2000 and their fax number is (202) 513-3329. A contact form is here.
Hard-Left George Soros Front Organization Funds NPR
With Grant, NPR to Step Up State Government Reporting
(h/t: Michelle Malkin; thanks to eaglesoars for letting us know)
NPR has received a $1.8 million grant from the Open Society Foundations to begin a project called Impact of Government that is intended to add at least 100 journalists at NPR member radio stations in all 50 states over the next three years…
As eaglesoars points out: “The Open Society Foundation is, of course, George Soros.”
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A change in Juan Williams?
I used to HATE seeing Juan Williams on Fox News. But recently, I’ve noticed he’s slowly become less and less proggy. I think, and hope, that one of those politically incorrect and now-prohibited incandescent light bulbs is starting to illuminate over his head.
I would also suggest that it is time to add Juan Williams to our prayer list. He needs the Lord’s help to give him wisdom, same as one hundred percent of the human race, myself included. But while he faces persecution for having told the truth, Juan Williams is in particular need of the Lord’s help.
Also see:
- Screw Free Speech: NPR Fires Juan Williams for Muslim Remarks
(h/t: eaglesoars) - Why does Charles Johnson hate black people?
Added by m, from our very own MacDuff:
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Tags: anti-dhimmitude, Bill O'Reilly, CAIR, Fox News, Juan Williams, NPR, raaaaacism
NPR CRO apologizes to Juan Williams for the crack about him and his shrink but not about firing him?
Hey to all my freinds here that I speak and text with, My Cell phone is totally dead!
I’ll get in touch with everyone when I get home this evening! Heading to happy hour with coworkers.
NPR’s CEO apparently just issued an apology to Williams about the “psychiatrist” remark.
But he’s still fired.
@ Rodan:
After 5 PM!
Juan Spoke Over the Line
—apologies to Brewer and Shipley, and “One Toke Over the Line”
Juan spoke over the line; it don’t please us
Juan spoke over the line
We won’t let him speak on our public station
Juan spoke over the line
If he doesn’t stick to our talking points then
We’ll stop giving him airtime
We won’t let him speak on our public station
Juan spoke over the line
Muslim terrorists are targeting you and me
But you mustn’t talk about that reality
“Islamophobia” is a secular sin, some things should stay unsaid
And so we won’t offend anyone, even if we end up dead
And that’s why…
Juan spoke over the line, it don’t please us
Juan spoke over the line
We won’t let him speak on our public station
Juan spoke over the line
If he doesn’t stick to our talking points then
We’ll stop giving him airtime
We won’t let him speak on our public station
Juan spoke over the line
We rely on taxes for our support
But have pledge drives ’cause that comes up short
We toe a straight left line so that our listeners finance us
So if somebody upsets them, that person goes under the bus
We’re telling you…
Juan spoke over the line, it don’t please us
Juan spoke over the line
We won’t let him speak on our public station
Juan spoke over the line
If he doesn’t stick to our talking points then
We’ll stop giving him airtime
We won’t let him speak on our public station
Juan spoke over the line
Don’t you know that…
If he doesn’t stick to our talking points then
We’ll stop giving him airtime
We won’t let him speak on our public station
Juan spoke over the line
We’re telling you…
Juan spoke over the line, it don’t please us
Juan spoke over the line
We won’t let him speak on our public station
Juan spoke over the line
If he doesn’t stick to our talking points then
We’ll stop giving him airtime
We won’t let him speak on our public station
Juan spoke over the line
We won’t let him speak on our public station
Juan spoke over the line
We won’t let him speak on our public station
Juan spoke over the line
Juan spoke over the line
Juan spoke over the line
Soros gives some Cash to NPR. He also bankrolls a big part of Media
Matters. According to Rush Limbaugh Media Matters is calling for the
fireing of Mora Alyison (SP) for appearing on Fox.
Is there a pattern here? This looks like the continuation of the war
on Fox by Obama & his pals.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
You are the awesome-ist of the AWESOME!
Firing Juan Williams is endemic of liberal malfeasance corruption hypocrisy morals and ethics. He strayed from the reservation and they laid the whip to his back to remind everyone else of the consequences of failure to follow their politically correct dogma.
Ya know no one really listens to NPR? I mean I would not even know where to find it on the dial? And I don’t really want to know
doriangrey wrote:
Juan said what many Americans feel. By firing him, they have turned him into a hero.
Nevergiveup wrote:
I don’t listen to terrestrial radio at all, except for the occasional Rockies game if I happen to be in the car while they’re playing.
Sirius does carry them, though.
@ doriangrey:
@ Nevergiveup:
@ NoThreat2U:
@ RIX:
@ buzzsawmonkey:
@ lobo91:
Maybe they will replace Juan WIlliams with Chuck?
Looks like defamation. Even public figures can be defamed.
Make NPR go through discovery & find out who their big
donors are.
@ Rodan:
Cut-and-paste doesn’t work well on radio…
Rodan wrote:
Which in a way is sadly tragic, turning a liberal into a hero of the people and champion of free speech is just wrong on so many levels…
@ Rodan:
Oh shit! Maybe! He’d be orgasmic! lol
Juan Williams will get a new pulpit in no time. And when he does, he will have interesting things to say.
Start popping the corn.
We are truly living in interesting times.
@ RIX:
I’m pretty sure that their donors are public information.
RIX wrote:
Juan might be able to use it in a case for unjust termination.
Can you imagine? That doofus would constantly make a fool
of himself.
Screw Free Speech: NPR Fires Juan Williams for Muslim Remarks
(h/t: eaglesoars)
@ RIX:
Yep. Axelrod started the whole Fox is not a legitimate news outlet meme. Remember when the WH tried to ban Fox news from the press pool?
Beeduwine wrote:
He already does on FOX
1389AD wrote:
That’s why it’s pronounced “Muzzle ‘em.”
@ buzzsawmonkey:
You are the super-duperest of the super-duper!
RIX wrote:
He’d be the gift that keeps on giving!
You might be right. The list would be interestin.
1389AD wrote:
Oh, and my blog post on this subject was up before yours nenner nenner nenner…
Why does NPR hate Black People?
@ Nevergiveup:
Is he popping the corn at FOX?!
@ 1389AD:
Ya gotta admit, Chuck does have a face for radio.
@ Beeduwine:
Do you try hard to be a dick or does it just come naturally?
@ doriangrey:
Yeah, it does look like wrongful discharge & the compound it with grounds for a defamation suit.
Boehner also now calling for defunding NPR. For NPR to stir up a shit storm like this, they must be morons besides left wing idiologs
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RIX wrote:
He already does this. The only difference would be that someone other than his 15 psycho-sycophants would hear it. Plus most TV’s cannot balance out the amount of white his porky face would create on screen.
@ Rodan:
Juan stated the obvious.
RIX wrote:
I hope he sues them and win’s the full amount of his remaining contract, and doesn’t go back…
@ NoThreat2U:
Don’t mean to be s dick. How so?
@ 1389AD:
Yup, Charlie would be hilarious as a Fox contributor.
citizen_q wrote:
Actually the muslims dressed in the sheets probably are not the ones you need to worry about. It’s the ones in jeans trying to act like westerners.
@ doriangrey:
Laid the whip to his back?
You are so racist/
The de-funding of NPR should be among the first cost saving measures the next Congress take up. The national endowment of the arts, public TV, etc….
Ellen Weiss --head of news at NPR? Shit sounds like one of mine.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Nice one!
Notice a trend in people losing their jobs for thought crimes lately?
Anyone remember that guy I think he was a NJ tollbooth operator who was fired because he burned a q-ran?
@ Nevergiveup:
While that may be true, seeing them in their desert garb always brings back to mind that muslims hijacked airplanes and crashed them purposely. It is the visual that reminds us.
citizen_q wrote:
Yup. And he was NOT on the job or in his work cloths
Nevergiveup wrote:
You better wise up
Ellen Weiss
You better wise up
Ellen Weiss
Your censorship don’t look too nice
You better wise up, Ellen Weiss
—not “Rocky Horror”
Crashnburn01 wrote:
Along with the NEA.
Yes & then damages for the defamation, which I hope that the jury triples because of NPRs’ egrigious behavior. Sweet!
The funny thing is that most of the people funding NPR aren’t listening. all the freeloaders in America are their audience.
fuck ‘em. Charge them 10 bucks a month like Icarus does….snicker
@ NoThreat2U:
Hey he didn’t say pickin cotton/
@ buzzsawmonkey:
That would be Janet, Damn it!
@ buzzsawmonkey:
NoThreat2U wrote:
What she said.
Williams carries the NPR brand from many years as a correspondent. Then he goes on OReilly (the most watched show) and becomes proof of the “fair and balanced” claims at FOX. Drove NPR crazy. This is just the excuse they were waiting for. They made a lesson of Juan. Maura Liasson is next.
@ NoThreat2U:
Help me out here!
@ mjazz:
or pickin’ dacron and polyester
NoThreat2U wrote:
We could always require them to fly completely nekkid. Send them through a shower first! Or make them disrobe, shower, and put on airport-supplied hospital scrubs, caps, and booties prior to boarding.
Wonder if Juan will get the 99 weeks of funemployment?
1389AD wrote:
I am not sure NPR would approve of that?
/
Like taxfreekiller said.
We are all Juan Williams now.
aka
You, Americans take it from the Apache, your the new Apache, and its not that much fun to loose your land to unlimited illegal immigration.
Yeah & they would have to insist that the fat slob bathe regularly to
avoid health code violations.
@ doriangrey:
I KNOW. That’s why I was able to QUOTE you here. If you didn’t have your post up first, I wouldn’t have been able to give you any linky love!
One does wonder how NPR manages to unilaterally terminate a contract, which is supposed to be a mutual agreement between parties for a specified term.
RIX wrote:
I predict that this isn’t gong to end well for Soros.
@ mjazz:
All references to “cotton pickin’” are reserved for cowboys/southerners.
“Oh COME ON Juan”
--Britt Hume
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Inquiring minds want to know?
@ Nevergiveup:
I love it. Once again it puts the spotlight on I卐LAM & the intolerance it breeds.
Nevergiveup wrote:
I definitely would NOT want to see NPR people of any sex or age nekkid either, for that matter! Bleeeargh!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
I’m sure you know the answer to that. Williams is no fool, and neither is his lawyer. He’s going to walk away with a wad of Soros money.
@ taxfreekiller:
We’re all Apache now
Heh. Actually a brilliant slogan.
@ 1389AD:
Although I agree with the shower part, I just think maybe they deserve closer scrutiny than say……nuns?
mjazz wrote:
Did you see Meygen Kelly and that Ibraham fellow from Cair?
snork wrote:
Soros would prefer she just “disappear” like they did back in the good old days.
None of this public firing nonsense.
you just disappeared
@ Crashnburn01:
Time to start defragging the government.
Rodan wrote:
Umm…uhh…well…Pam Geller!
snork wrote:
Nope.
As Big Journalism points out, the timing here is very interesting:
George Soros’ Millions Buying Political Reporters For NPR
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Violation of terms? Boy I’d like to read his contract.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
I wonder. Maybe there’s a moral turpitude clause, which covers heinous crimes like embezzlement, rape, serial killing, and appearing on Fox News.
wolfie wrote:
Not to mention the “Islamophobia clause.”
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/10/juan-williams-was-fox-news-lawn-jockey.html
@ NoThreat2U:
Is that anything like a porch manque?
Rodan wrote:
If NPR were to ever become THAT DESPERATE one can only assume the the Earth has already fractured in three or more parts and is drifting towards the Sun…
NoThreat2U wrote:
Every left wing “progressive” I know is a huge bigot
@ wolfie:
Rape is probably tolerated. Rape-rape, on the other hand, is probably in the clause somewhere.
@ Nevergiveup:
When I read that you mentioned it I thought it was probably too late.
I hope I can find it on the net, I would have loved to have seen that.
@ snork:
LOL I guess so.
Don’t worry Juan, on the worst day at FNC, more people heard what you had to say than did all month on NPR
Juan Williams was fired for speaking his mind, so NPR has made him an “honorary white man”—i.e., the fact that he is black did not protect him once he went off the PC reservation.
Since they have decided to treat him like an eeeeeevil white person, maybe he should be called “Wan” Williams.
taxfreekiller wrote:
Muslim is the new Black. Black is the new American. American is the new Apache.
New rules. Get used to them. There is no God but Allah, and…
I really hope Juan thinks long and hard about this.
Nevergiveup wrote:
The ones in the conquest garb are still trying to intimidate. It is psychological jihad.
And especially at airports, seeing the muzz traipsing in full islamic gear is disconcerting.
Juan said what everyone thinks And it very rational to be suspicious of a group of people who adhere to a screed that loudly proclaims their intention to kill you or convert you.
fck the bastards at npr. These gutless appeasers are worse than the muzz. Certainly more disgusting in their cowardice.
@ wolfie:
I’d rather do that than have babies.
@ m:
Hey check my #2!
They’re having a Juan Williams stoning over at the dhimmiblog.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
I’ll say it again. they probably wouldn’t have fired a white guy over this. Progs are harder on minorities who blaspheme. They halfway expect if from whites, but it’s mutiny for a minority to speak for himself.
@ snork:
Aqua Buddah will take issues with that!
@ snork:
On one of my favorite shows (Modern Family) the gay couple with the Asian baby was a shoe-in for a coveted spot at a prestigious pre-school… until they were bumped for a lesbian couple with a bi-racial baby where one of women was handicapped.
*curses!
lol
NoThreat2U wrote:
I’m sure he’s meeting with his lawyer right now. He’ll do just fine. The rest of us have been assaulted, though.
@ chickadee:
I saw a black muslim woman and her son at an airport. My first thought was Oh she’d never do anything crazy,,,she has her kid with her. Then I remembered, they don’t care about their children either. It is an automatic reaction I have. You’d have to be a robot to never have preconcieved notions about someone.
NoThreat2U wrote:
I hope he sues the crap out of ‘em.
just wondering.
has Juan received his first death threat fatwa yet?
Beeduwine wrote:
Well it really depends on who is doing the raping of course. If it’s a darling of the left, then it’s probably ok
@ snork:
That’s why Chuck and his gang have a real hatred for me. I expose their racist tandencies. In their mind I’ma spic who’s out of line.
What’s funny is as wolfie can tell you, My way of thinking is actually common in the Latin countries. But the Left has enslaved many Hispanics and turned them into helpless serfs. It pisses me off!
I hate Progressives!
@ snork:
This should serve as an epiphany for him.
refugee000 wrote:
the LGF bigot brigade
m wrote:
Thanks very much!
This post header is getting longer and lloonnggeerr…
NoThreat2U wrote:
I bet he does. He is no fool. He is smart enough to sense danger from the enemy.
He spoke from the gut when he said the muzz in full garb have obviously chosen islam over being Americans and he understood the implications of such choices. Namely that they are capable of committing any atrocity called for in the koran.
@ Beeduwine:
Nuance!
I will never forget sitting in Schiphol airport in Amsterdam when some bag clad muslims started their bowing and praying at an airport waiting gate area.
No fewer than 15 people plus families got up and started changing their flight.
Beeduwine wrote:
My Ojibwa ancestors might object to that, but I do agree with TFK’s point 110%
chickadee wrote:
Exactly. BOTH are dangerous.
Besides that, hijab/burqa gear and “religious modesty” has been used as a pretext for using clothing to hide the identity of various perpetrators. You can also put a lot of contraband under voluminous robes and scarves that you couldn’t put under jeans and a tee-shirt.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
I like the cut of your Ojibwa…
What kills me is that if this was a GOP Administration and NPR was flaking for the conservative agenda there would be shrieks from the left of “Pravda!” and state-controlled media, etc.
Actually it is doubly ironic.
When we were limited to three networks PBS had a reason for being. Supposedly it was an alternative to the networks and provided diversity in programming. I watched Monty Python, Benny Hill, Doctors in the House and the British precursor to Three’s Company, I don’t recall the name, among others. Seems like the best programs on PBS came from the BBC. Anyway, before cable and now satellite TV, it had a place. I don’t really know why NPR ever had a reason for being a taxpayer funded station; the radio airwaves always had plenty of diversity.
unclassifiable wrote:
Can you get that with cheese?
@ Rodan:
I hear ya! Must be nice! I’m still stuck in claaass… claaaaasssss.
/c&c
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@ refugee000:
They agree with NPR’s methodology.
@ 1389AD:
People are definitely reacting to this story!
snork wrote:
That’s part of their motivation, to be sure!
Soros uses black people like Obozo to do his evil work, but as far as Soros is concerned, they are his slaves, whom he owns as surely as the Soviet Union owned its gulag denizens.
Rancher wrote:
Ironically, a significant amount of PBS programming is devoted to rebroadcasting classic (i.e., hallowed by age) elements of the very commerical TV that PBS was founded to provide an alternative to.
Jessie Jerkson didn’t get any shit when he said, that while walking in DC in a dicey neighborhood, he heard footsteps coming up quickly behind him and when he turned around, he was so relieved to see that it was white people approaching .
My wife is pissed at me. She is with her brother and just called me from her cell to update me on the plans and said “love you” when she hung up. I mean she usually does not do that. So I called her back and asked if anyone had a gun to her head? She hung up on me?
What Won’t Get You Fired From NPR
Michael C. Moynihan | October 21, 2010
Wishing AIDS on your political enemies and their children. Check out this clip, from way back in 1995, of NPR’s Nina Totenberg telling the host of PBS’s Inside Washington that if there was “retributive justice” in the world the (admittedly loathsome) Jesse Helms would “get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it.” Totenberg is still NPR’s legal affairs correspondent.
http://reason.com/blog/2010/10/21/what-wont-get-you-fired-from-n
@ Nevergiveup:
If they had their way the woman would need five male witnesses.
chickadee wrote:
Or Hymie town or when he said he spit in white people’s food
@ 1389AD:
One more:
The Real Reason NPR Fired Juan Williams: His Views on Race
m wrote:
It’s all over the blogosphere. It’s much like the Ground Zero Mosque issue that kicked off the whole thing in the first place: it shows the leftist/jihadist alliance for the dangerous enemy that it is. We aren’t doing it to THEM -- they are doing it to THEMSELVES.
@ Nevergiveup:
My point excactly. If he said something similar about the tea party, that would have been rape. Which is tolerated, and sometimes heralded as brave. He commented on muslims, now that is rape-rape.
@ refugee000:
What a bunch of racists.
@ 1389AD:
There’s a basic reaction to the stomach turning political correctness.
People are sick of it.
The leftist BS that Islam had nothing to do with 9/11 is meeting with purely rational rejection of that nonsense.
Same with the mosque
@ Nevergiveup:
!
Maybe it was code and she’s been kidnapped!
/or she remembers life at home with her family and just appreciates you more?!
~:D
So, big question.
Does George Soros have enough money to buy Fox News from Murdoch?
Nevergiveup wrote:
I can recommend a fine 2010 Chataeu STFU to NPR.
As National Public Radio weathered a storm of criticism Thursday for its decision to fire news analyst Juan Williams for his comments about Muslims, Fox News moved aggressively to turn the controversy to its advantage by signing Williams to an expanded role at the cable news network.
Fox News Chief Executive Roger Ailes handed Williams a new three-year contract Thursday morning, in a deal that amounts to nearly $2 million, a considerable bump up from his previous salary, the Tribune Washington Bureau has learned. The Fox News contributor will now appear exclusively and more frequently on the cable news network and have a regular column on FoxNews.com.
Fortunately Juan is quite able to defend himself:
Another fortunate thing:
@ chickadee:
I hope he refuses to apologize.
snork wrote:
The thread header is getting toooo loooooong to add any more links and do them any justice.
You might want to submit that one as a separate thread.
@ 1389AD:
heads up 1389…you will want to be around tomorrow for the 1130 post…
back to the regularly scheduled program.
looks like juan got his comeuppance for thinking outside the plantation’s lines.
unclassifiable wrote:
It is outrageous that we have to pay for these traitorous spoilers to degrade American, our values, or traditions, what we hold dear. While they laud the enemy. If they want to spew that shit, let them earn their keep. Let them sell advertising and quit asking for subsidies.
We are paying these scum to shill for the enemy. Let them be useful idiots who pick up their own tab. LOL, see how long that lasts.
@ dwells38:
OOh I must have beat ya to his new contract by a milli second
m wrote:
People have been uneasy with NPR and PBS in concept for decades. They’ve been more specifically bothered with their rather obvious bias (NPR in particular) for almost as long. This was this pile of tinder finally catching fire.
People are also out of patience with CAIR and the “islamophobia” libel. Put it all together, and it takes off like a forest fire in Southern California in August.
Sometimes bullshit spontaneously combusts. When it does, watch out.
@ taxfreekiller:
Let’s hope not. If so we’ll have to band together across the country and e’rybody throw in some jack.
mjazz wrote:
He did refuse earlier today.
I have to confess that I value NPR. The bias is so blatant, so out in the open, that it provides a useful guide to lefty talking points. The NPR hosts actually brag about things that the more cautious mainstream news outlets are still embarrassed enough to lie about, hide, and conceal.
NPR is the enemy laying itself out for view in plain sight.
Under it all, Juan Williams committed an orginal sin by liberal standards. He told the truth as he knew it. Not in the manual, your to shade all with the liberal lie base paint.
They know if liberals take to telling the truth, their whole empire of dirty lies falls down to dust.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
LOL,I didn’t know that, I haven’t watched in years. We would turn to PBS when the President spoke.
@ Nevergiveup:
Heh. You are not the only one. My jokes very seldom go over well.
If you look up foot in mouth, there’s my foot.
Nevergiveup wrote:
OMG!
taxfreekiller wrote:
Well said!
dwells38 wrote:
!!!!!
Go Juan! Jeebers, these NPR weenies aren’t going to know what hit them. If they had any testicles, they’d be in agony right now.
Of some note:
When you watch the shows where the shill for money, the call center people…they show them as they pick up the phones and talk to contributors.
Take it to the bank those are the very same callers who work for the Democrat party phone banks to get out the vote.
In fact they are doing so this very week, they double down.
@ chickadee:
@ Nevergiveup:
al-chuki’s head just exploded.
rotfl!
coldwarrior wrote:
Thanks for letting me know!
snork wrote:
Hell has no furry like a lover spurned--or something like that
I watched the video with O’Reilly and Williams. Nothing Juan said was bigoted. I was headed to a flight from Texas once and saw a nasty unwashed muslim dressed man and firmly told the lady helping me to get my ticket, that if he was on my flight, reschedule me. It has become a fact of life, you see someone and lights go off telling you that person is a muslim, you find another mode of transportation. Juan is right, and voicing his own personal opinion on it was telling the truth, so, in essence, Juan was fired because everyone knows journalists LIE and Juan broke that rule. I’m all for defunding all forms of media using taxpayer money. Let them do marathons.
@ snork:
They have a knack for making themselves look stupid.
Rancher wrote:
A few years ago—I believe during one of its endless fundraisers—PBS in New York ran a lengthy special on Liberace. Liberace was the quintessence of the “vast wasteland” aspect of TV as it was condemned by Newton Minow—one of the original architects of public TV and, not coincidentally, one of the attorneys whose firm was connected to the Ayers family in Chicago and employed both Mr. and Mrs. Obama.
In any event, the specials on Liberace, Sid Caesar, Ernie Kovacs and the like were fun to watch—I valued them—but I could not help noting the irony that these programs being so reverently recalled and excerpted were, in fact, the very television that Minow and the other originators of public broadcasting were intending to provide an alternative to.
refugee000 wrote:
tiny explosion.
Juan GOT PAID!
PS;buy Chucks cookbook. Meth is expensive
The NPR head honcho apologized for the psychiatrist remark? Dang, I was going to make a remark about doubling down on fucking up. But they still said it and an apology can’t unsay it. That Williams is now being made a millionaire by Fox just HAS to chap every ass at NPR. Let’s hope that Mara Liasson is being made a similar offer.
Now Glenn Beck is talking about this…
NPR threw Juan Williams into a really big pile of shit, or so they thought.
One gigantic splash later. 
Juan Williams comes out covered with roses
and NPR is dripping shit.
Why would a racist organization like Fox defend a black?/
mjazz wrote:
Why, “black ops,” naturally…
@ 1389AD:
Check out the listings at memeorandum. Everyone is talking about this story!
Nevergiveup wrote:
She in jail?
refugee000 wrote:
Also, Wishing Rush dead.
This just may be a reverse October suprise.
I being of the dark Apache 1/2 breed know a thing or two about racism.
So, thinking along those lines, just why would I as a person of Juan Willimas race vote for the liberal Democrat party that is the hand maid of NPR who just fired one of my race.
If they had just fired a conservative native american off NPR I do not think that would help the cause of getting the native amerian vote.
like that
Just could be a good thing for U.S. and Juan Williams may have learned a very hard but needed lesson.
snowcrash wrote:
Yep, it’s flooded with links to this.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
because as radio host jim quinn says in his
first law: liberalism creates the exact opposite of its stated intent.
mjazz wrote:
he’s not a real black….not the right kind, ya know?
/
Where’s the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Nation of Islam, Al Sharpton?
Oh, this is rich!
An American friend in Europe e-mails: “Do you think Obama’s theory that people tend to behave irrationally when they’re scared and worried might explain the decision of NPR to sack Juan Williams?”
refugee000 wrote:
You’re exactly right. People have had enough of the PC charade. People have always known it was BS but went along with it at first to be nice and courteous but now the vile tentacles of political correctness have reached into situations where only a fool would chose smiling like a demented dhimmi over calling out a muzz who is fixing to do some head chopping.
The progs look like imbeciles as they continue to insist islam is the rop in the face of all the atrocities muzz commit daily around the world.
mjazz wrote:
WE will hear from farrakhan tomorrow night at 2030 taking about ufo and such!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
I also listen to NPR a couple of times a week just to find out what the “Enemy Side” is thinking or if what they do can really be called thinking. Their bias is so “out there” that the occasional some what balanced story is a shock to hear.
(These Folks really think that their shit don’t stink.)
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Heh.
Very interesting.
@ taxfreekiller:
A lot of non Wright type black Christians do not like Islam at all.
Doppelganger wrote:
When she wouldn’t keep you inside
When she turned and said, “But honey,
“He’s not our kind…”
She said we can’t pay you any more, Williams
Can’t pay you any more…
—almost Janice Ian and “Society’s Child”
@ refugee000:
@ Rancher:
It would be fun — and, if time weren’t a constraint, very easy — to find hundreds of statements made on NPR that are far more offensive than what Juan Williams said.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
but WE NEED stories about lesbian owned micro-financed community bread ovens in sri lanka! if npr doesnt report on this who will!
/
taxfreekiller wrote:
I was thinking the same thing. I think it’s good to use this to play hockey with these prog motherpuckers, but if more of this shiite keeps hitting the fan between now and the election, it’s a diversion.
Stay on guard. This was probably what it looks like; an emotional outburst, but there could be a plan in there somewhere, too.
This is actually great. This story is getting a lot of publicity.
and the vast majority of Americans agree with Juan Williams.
Americans see the shitty way he is being treated for simply stating what we all feel, and we’re all taking a mental note that the lamestream media and the progressives are on the wrong side!
thanks Juan
mjazz wrote:
Hawking the report on Tea Party racism. I mean like duh.
Ticket agent on 911 about Mohammed Atta. A mindset CAIR and the left wants to reinforce.
wolfie wrote:
bigjournalism already did that for us.
Check out their ‘teabagger’ cartoon that they refused to remove because it is ‘opinion’.
Now, Bill O’riley needs to step up and assign some book sales rights to Juan Williams.
(Media Matters) — News that Juan Williams’ contract with NPR was terminated over comments he made about Muslims while appearing on Fox News shines a spotlight on the radio network’s evergreen controversy: Its continued affiliation with Fox News. Specifically, NPR’s Mara Liasson and her long-running association with Fox News has often raised questions. This might be the proper time for NPR to finally address that thorny issue.
I’m not suggesting Liasson has said anything as offensive as Williams, or that she has that kind of track record while appearing on Fox. I’m just saying that if you look at NPR’s code of ethics, there’s simply no way Liasson should be making appearances on Fox.
9. NPR journalists must get permission from the Vice President for their Division or their designee to appear on TV or other media. It is not necessary to get permission in each instance when the employee is a regular participant on an approved show. Permission for such appearances may be revoked if NPR determines such appearances are harmful to the reputation of NPR or the NPR participant.
10. In appearing on TV or other media including electronic Web-based forums, NPR journalists should not express views they would not air in their role as an NPR journalist. They should not participate in shows electronic forums, or blogs that encourage punditry and speculation rather than rather than fact-based analysis.
Also, the NPR ethics code, written “to protect the credibility of NPR’s programming by ensuring high standards of honesty, integrity, impartiality and staff conduct,” forbids NPR journalists from participating in appearances that “may appear to endorse the agenda of a group or organization.”
Is there any independent viewer still watching Fox News today who thinks it does not endorse a political agenda? I mean, c’mon.
http://weaselzippers.us/2010/10/21/watch-your-back-mara-liasson/#more-69864
Doppelganger wrote:
Worse than that, NPR is emblematic of progressivism. It’s Tass meets Pravda for the airwaves. The lamestream media is one thing, but the public is paying for this, and that makes it a whole other level of abusive.
I don’t think the public ever supported government media in concept, but they never thought it was a big enough deal to make a fuss over. This just made it a big deal.
coldwarrior wrote:
Most of those stories come from the BBC. NPR just repeats them to fill time.
I like that First Law. it fits in with Liberalism being a mental disorder.
Sarah Palin Says Defund NPR…
@WZ
@ Rancher:
Also
allowedencouraged… lies about Israel (pdf).@ snork:
I’m not so sure I agree with the ‘diversion’ part. Part of NPRs rational for the timing of dumping Williams was because ‘pledge week’ is coming up and they were concerned about their fundraising. My guess is that THAT is going to bite them in the ass.
2 weeks before the midterms to have the spiteful pettiness of the progs make such a HUGE splash might not be a bad thing.
(Daily Caller) — In the wake of National Public Radio firing Juan Williams for comments he made about Muslims on “The O’Reilly Factor,” Sarah Palin took to her Facebook page Thursday afternoon to call for NPR’s defunding.
“National Public Radio is a public institution that directly or indirectly exists because the taxpayers fund it,” she wrote. “And what do we, the taxpayers, get for this? We get to witness Juan Williams being fired from NPR for merely speaking frankly about the very real threat this country faces from radical Islam.”
Palin acknowledged Williams’ past criticism of her, but asserted her devotion to free speech and the need for open and honest debate.
“Are we not allowed to say that Muslim terrorists have killed thousands of Americans and continue to plot the deaths of thousands more? Are we not allowed to say that there are Muslim states that aid and abet these fanatics? Are we not allowed to even debate the role that radical Islam plays in inciting this violence?” she posted.
Palin went on to write that it is now up to Congress to take away NPR’s funding and for President Obama to take notice and speak out
97% of that vote they have, no, this is pure PC nut case shit gone over board once more.
Its what they do.@ snork:
taxfreekiller wrote:
He’s already on the warpath to defund NPR. These dicks haven’t figured out what hit them yet.
Let me just say I bet Williams is offered his job back, probably before the Sunday news shows run. This is the worst PR debacle NPR has ever had, and now really isn’t the time when government programs want to be offering themselves up for cuts.
http://weaselzippers.us/2010/10/21/surprise-moonbat-bloggers-cheering-on-npr-for-firing-juan-williams/
Really. Clicky and go take a gander. LMAO
NoThreat2U wrote:
Do these dingalings really think they’re going to win that one? Hint: Fox isn’t like NPR. Fox doesn’t take taxpayer money.
They have no outside input into the way they think at NPR, they think it is full rational to fire Juan Williams for his free speech, in their world only the liberal bible is allowed to be quoted.
NPR Shark Jumping.
Iron Fist wrote:
After the statement Williams made, he would never accept. Hell, after the statement he made, I don’t think NPR could even make the offer. They’ve got their asses in a sling so tight they’re not going to be able to shit except thru their noses.
But I want Williams to sue for wrongful dismissal. Not because I think he would win -- I have no idea -- but because I want to see what discovery would show up.
Iron Fist wrote:
I’m will to bet it’s too late for that.
This is one bell that NPR really wishes it could un-ring.
Iron Fist wrote:
And he’d be nuts to take it back. He won’t. Just watch.
@ eaglesoars:
Nice! Thanks for the link!
Homeland Security tells us to “be vigilent”
but when men get seatbelt extenders who don’t need them and change seats and speak to each other in a suspicious nature, and people point it out, the people “being vigilent” are thrown under the bus
BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!
eaglesoars wrote:
I don’t think he can sue if they offer him his old gig back. If they offer it back, it’ll be for that reason.
@ NoThreat2U:
If you join now, you can get this genuine Nina Totenbag!
@ buzzsawmonkey:
LOl She looks…..priggish.
My guess is the contract he just got from Fox News ref. above says,,, You will not work for NPR as long as you work here. and we have $2,000,000 reasons for that .
end of that shit…@ Iron Fist:
@ eaglesoars:
@ Da_Beerfreak:
@ snork:
No, I don’t think he’d take it back. I sure wouldn’t in his place. But this was beyond stupid of the so-called enlightened minds at NPR. We are in an election cycle where the dominant theme seems to be reminding government that they work for us, and NPR just gave about 75% of us a big Fuck You in no uncertain terms, because except for the liberal fags on the Left (a little ironic redundance
) everybody feels the exact same way Williams described. This was about as smart as trying to catch a baseball with you balls. I suspect that it will hurt NPR as badly…
@ buzzsawmonkey:
ROTF!
NoThreat2U wrote:
Rather than a code of ethics, that is a code of malfeasance.
Doppelganger wrote:
Did you happen to see this story?
How A Pilot Refused A Full Body Scan And Now May Lose His Job
How much do you want to bet that Mara Liasson will NOT be on Brett Baer’s All Star panel tonite?
Oh, I forgot to tell you. O’Reilly usually takes Friday night off and Laura Ingraham subs for him. On her show this morning, she announced that she will NOT be subbing for O’Reilly tomorrow night.
But Juan Williams will be.
W00T!
@ Da_Beerfreak:
remember when TSA used to confiscate nail clippers? Even from pilots.
I was sitting next to a dead-heading pilot and he was complaining that something trivial was confiscated and he made the remark that they would keep his nail clippers and that was OK since there was a fire Axe in the cockpit
not to mention he has his hands on the controls!
taxfreekiller wrote:
Insightful. The same could be said of Obama’s administration.
eaglesoars wrote:
Soros.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
I would have cancelled my flight and stood there all damn day to make sure they checked everyone out the same way. or next time he should just wear a burka
eaglesoars wrote:
That’s damn near enough to make me regret the fact that I don’t watch TV anymore.
Don Gonyea is NPR’s White House correspondent. Wonder if he’ll get the cold shoulder or a lot of high fives.
I
Ok, gotta go. Have a great evening everybody!
eaglesoars wrote:
Wonder what the subject’s going to be?
@ Iron Fist:
There’s no doubt that NPR has really raised the bar on stupid with this act.
@ eaglesoars:
Thanks. Have to watch. This is all so funny. I hardly ever agree with Williams. He is a dyed in the wool liberal democrat, but he does present his points well and is always civil. No an easy feat when dealing with OReilly. LOL. If anything Juan made democrats look sane.
Just called and told Rustler (my son) to tape O’Reilly. This will be great.
@ eaglesoars:
Sexist/
Whoopi stood by the guy.
@ snowcrash:
Dealing with O’Reilly is like trying to argue with a shouting bear by the river.
Here’s Juan’s full op-ed in response to NPR.
snowcrash wrote:
I don’t watch TV anymore, but I just wanted to add that the reason I respect Williams is not because I ever agree with him (I rarely do) but because I always found him to be honest about being a lefty. Unlike most of the left that tries to hide that little fact about themselves.
OT, but too funny (?) not to share. The Extremists are coming !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx_I1lzJ94w&feature=player_embedded
Hat tip -- Steel Rain at GCP.
@ huckfunn:
McVeigh was not a Christian; nor did he convert at the end
Don’t even privitize NPR. Just cut the money tap off today. No rent checks at the beginning of the month, no paychecks, nothing. If they can make it where Air America didn’t, fine, but not one more thin dime of tax money.
wolfie wrote:
I’m betting O’reilly and some others are at work on that.
@ huckfunn:
Woooo weeeeeeee He sure is pissed. I had a feeling that they were just looking for a reason to sack him.
@ Beeduwine:
Yep. Need a lot of patience when talking to those shouting river bears. LOL Put the beer down now, beed. Tomorrow is a work day. just kiddin’
waldensianspirit wrote:
I know. Juan’s a pretty decent guy for a lib but he gets lots of stuff wrong.
huckfunn wrote:
He has had it rubbed in his face that he was just a house —— at NPR—that that was, in fact, his job description—and that he can be an honest liberal only at a “conservative” news outlet.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
Me too but I guess he isnt ideologically pure enough for the left anymore.
huckfunn wrote:
He is that, though, and never forget it. He’s a good guy, but he is still the Enemy.
NoThreat2U wrote:
No doubt. I think this is the beginning of the end for NPR. I won’t miss ‘em a bit.
@ huckfunn:
It’s worse than we thought.
@ snowcrash:
Heh. I’ve run out of beer. Just got home from playing indoor soccer. Beer would have been great. Unless it makes me an even bigger dick.
Re O’Reilly: What pisses me off is that I often agree with gist of what he is saying, but I have to make his argument for him in my head.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Well said! Strange days indeed.
@ huckfunn:
I’d like to see Vivian Schiller put on the hot seat to answer how she would feel boarding a plane where a large bunch of shifty-eyed extrovert religious fervor on display muslims were boarding with her.
@ huckfunn:
I’m not really familiar with NPR but I do like seeing a liberal get smacked in the face with reality. C’mon over to our side Juan
Iron Fist wrote:
He is wrong on many things, but this being America he has a right to be wrong. He is, however, head and shoulders above his former colleagues, because he was willing to speak his own mind and he is clearly capable of eventually seeing certain realities.
Do you think that Al Sharpton is in any way such an honest man? Of course not. The current President? The current AG? No. But if they were, we would be far, far better off.
@ NoThreat2U:
The initial view from under the bus must be very disorienting. LOL
It is poll time! This is a Fox News poll about whether or not you agree with Williams. These things are silly, but as long as they are reporting it, might as well win it. Go thou and vote
snowcrash wrote:
It’s that “honest” part, it gets them every time.
(Being “right” [as in correct] is a big no-no too.
)
I am not a big fan of Juan But wtf are they drinking over at NPR? I know I am late to the post and I have not read the comments but this is nuts
@ huckfunn:
Here’s the worst part (out of a lot of bad parts):
REMORSE?!?!?!? They’re treating this man like a little kid! Is there a policy that requires remorse when they say naughty no-nos?
AGAIN. They wouldn’t have done this to a white guy. They’re treating him like an 8-year old, because he’s black.
@ Beeduwine:
Yeah, you got smacked, I saw it. I tells ya, communication without all the usual nonverbal cues is difficult. Especially with strangers. Don’t take it too badly. You are not a dick, probably just a goof. ugh. I hated wrtiting that. lol
I agree about Bill O. You have to play indoors already? Ha, it is 86 here. Eat your heart out. LOL
@ snowcrash:
The fine folks at Fox are helping him get steady on his feet. LOL
@ snork:
He stepped off the reservation, and so they squashed him. As I understand it, his deal with Fox is for millions of dollars. He may become a Republican in truth when he sees how much of his new salary the Feds are going to take to punish him for his success…
huckfunn wrote:
He’s straightforward, doesn’t need to coat everything in canned, political jargon. Doesn’t need to analyze the meaning of “is.”
He’s an honest man.
@ waldensianspirit:
The Westboro Baptist Church isn’t Christian, either.
@ snowcrash:
I don’t do emoticons, and I am famous for my epic joke fails, so I guess it is to bee expected. Consider it a trademark. But do know I’m always smiling while shooting the shit.
Yeah, we had 10 cm of snow yesterday. It will come and go for the better part of november, I think. Started looking forward to skiing season now.
I’ll pop corn at fox for two million 8)
waldensianspirit wrote:
That is certainly true; nevertheless, if I recall, there were idiots who tried to claim that he was.
snork wrote:
Yes. An occasional incidence of incorrect thinking is to be expected by party members and can be ‘fixed’ by re-education. But when a party member refuses to admit he has sinned, refuses to take correction, refuses to beg forgiveness, it’s all over.
@ Beeduwine:
BTW, she am…your face video clip on the ONT was hilarious. I dont even know what is going on and its still ROFL material.
Later gator.
See you guys later.
@ snowcrash:
Phew… Thanks! In a while, gator.
Beeduwine wrote:
Mama grizzlies don’t fear O’Reilly, or anything but the Almighty.
mjazz wrote:
I am not competent to judge what is or is not “Christian.” I will leave that to the Christians.
I do, however, note that Fred Phelps has run for office multiple times as a Democrat; that he was a fundraiser for Democrat presidential candidate Al Gore; that his family cult is invariably cited by the gay and gay-friendly, either explicitly or in ways that make it plain who they are referring to, as being the reason that they vote Democrat to oppose “the Christian right”; that it is very expensive to maintain a large extended family that has no visible means of support; that it is very expensive to fly quantities of people all over the country to stage protests.
And for that reason, I am increasingly convinced that Fred Phelps and his family cult are a false-flag operation that is subsidized by the Democrats to ensure that the gay vote, the gay-friendly vote, and the areligious/atheist vote, remain safely ensconced on the Democrat plantation.
Nobody, as far as I know, has ever uncovered the source of the Phelps cult funding. People usually say, vaguely, “Oh, they’re lawyers, and they’re litigious.” Well, you can be as litigious as you want to be, but unless you have a case of some kind you don’t have a payday, even under a settlement agreement. And money obtained in settlements is usually small, uncertain, and widely spaced. It is not enough to fund the living expenses of a large extended family and its travel arrangements.
Somebody is bankrolling these buffoonish thugs.
Mystery Donor Leaves $10,000 in 9/11 Memorial Donation Box
(LA Times) — Fox News Chief Executive Roger Ailes handed Williams a new three-year contract Thursday morning, in a deal that amounts to nearly $2 million, a considerable bump up from his previous salary, the Tribune Washington Bureau has learned. The Fox News contributor will now appear exclusively and more frequently on the cable news network and have a regular column on FoxNews.com.
“Juan has been a staunch defender of liberal viewpoints since his tenure began at Fox News in 1997,” Ailes said in a statement, adding a jab at NPR: “He’s an honest man whose freedom of speech is protected by Fox News on a daily basis.”
@ wolfie:
I will never say I am sorry and I will never back down. I have had enough of the left.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Christians should probably refrain from judging as well.
But if you are muslim, I think you are allowed to cast the first stone.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
And this is the best way to get publicity. Those are very good points.
I wish I had the money to expose them.
1389AD wrote:
There still are, to this day.
Watch the O’Reilly segment from The View. One of those idiot women brought McVeigh up during the fight before they walked out.
In “Does a negative opinion of Islam amount to conclusive evidence of bigotry?,” October 20, Michael Medved pierces through today’s propaganda fog with some observations that take on a new significance with the Juan Williams imbroglio:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/10/is-a-negative-opinion-of-islam-really-evidence-of-bigotry.html
Beeduwine wrote:
According to the New Testament, those who called themselves Christians, but who flouted Christian teachings by preaching blatantly un-Christian doctrine, were first warned and then shown the door.
You can’t really have a meaningful faith without setting some boundries as to which doctrines represent your faith and which don’t. Those who teach some other doctrine are therefore not members of your faith.
@ Beeduwine:
Christians are also to watch out for wolves in sheep’s clothing, and separate from them.
@ NoThreat2U:
If one’s “negative opinion of Islam” is based on knowledge of what Islam is, and how its adherents behave, then no, it’s not “bigotry.”
@ 1389AD:
Not only doctrine but behavior also.
@ 1389AD:
Someone should explain that to Nancy Pelosi…
lobo91 wrote:
And that right there is the argument. Did they not fly four planes full of people to their deaths? Do they not blow up each other’s mosks? Do they not threaten murder and mayhem in the name of their profit? No bigotry at all there.
@ 1389AD:
@ mjazz:
I know, I know. I was just building a bridge to the muslims and stoning / christians not casting the first stone part. Tried to make a funny. Again.
lobo91 wrote:
Botox-and-spend ideologues listen to nobody.
lobo91 wrote:
Are you serious?
lobo91 wrote:
And the Kennedy tribe, and Joe Biden, and many others.
@ lobo91:
bigot (ˈbɪɡət)
— n
a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race
Hey, I score two out of three. 2/3 bigot I am.
NoThreat2U wrote:
Did they not rampage and kill over cartoons? Etc…
@ 1389AD:
Precisely.
mjazz wrote:
That’s true, too.
Unrepentant hypocrites create scandal that drives people away from the faith.
Beeduwine wrote:
Ironically, that definition fits the average Muslim perfectly.
@ snork:
Exactly right you friggin’ bigot. / lol
@ Beeduwine:
Where’d that sloppy definition come from? That sounds like a perfect description of Baraq Obama.
lobo91 wrote:
Isn’t it absurd that we have to defend such a reasonable position.
Since when is it bigotry to know your enemy, especially based on what they openly say they intend to do to you. Death or subjugation.
Only a fool would not have a negative opinion of islam.
1389AD wrote:
But, notice they weren’t slain for apostasy.
Quite a distinction from the deen of fitrah, in which Allah alone is al-Hakim (the legislator) and rebellion against his decree leads to humiliation (for kuffar) and death (for murtaddin).
@ chickadee:
By the left’s standards everyone is a bigot. I am a straight female. Does that make me a bigot because I don’t feel the same way about women as I do men?? They are wearing the term bigot out, just like they did with racist.
Iron Fist wrote:
Done!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Well, neither am I. That said, if Fred Phelps and his band of blackhearts are, indeed, Christian, I want no part of Christianity.
@ 1389AD:
Sounds like the Westboro bunch to me!
Thing is, Christians condemn their actions.
Not all, but a lot of Muslims condone terrorism.
And then play the victim card.
@ 1389AD:
I think I disagree. That only becomes a problem if you hook your faith on other people, like charismatic, shining stars on the religious heavens. Like Ted Haggard.
It is peoples insecure-ness in this area that is the problem. Not sheep discipline & doctrine.
Aristakes Lastivertc’i's History, “How the World Renowned City of Ani was Massacred by the Sword”
Juan is a conservative he just doesn’t know it yet. He’s in the process of learning what Ronald Reagan, another former Democrat discovered:
“I didn’t leave the Democrat Party. The Democrat Party left me.”
The Osprey wrote:
Nice comment
+1
@ lobo91:
Exactly true. To the Left, though, “true” is a sometimes malleable thing, to be molded into whatever is convienient at the time. Just because the objective facts show that Islam is a bloody, imperialistic cult aimed at world domination doesn’t mean that you can say that. They like to say “not all Muslims” as though finding one Muslim that doesn’t want to cut off people’s heads is enough to redeem all of Mohammedanism throughout all of history. These are the same people who will never let the entire Christian Church, Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox alike, ever escape the blame of the Spanish Inquisition.
Like I said,m turth means what they want it to. I only take them as seriously as their impact on public policy and debate about public policy forces me to. I could give a rat’s ass what they think of me on a personal level. If anything, the worse they think of me the better I figure I’m doing.
lobo91 wrote:
Actually, Muslims are not free of discrimination based on color either. Arabs look down on, and enslave, sub-Saharan Africans.
NoThreat2U wrote:
It’s sloppiness.
They’ve done the same thing with “discrimination.”
There is nothing whatsoever wrong with discrimination. Everyone on earth discriminates many times every day.
When you choose to have a bowl of cereal instead of eggs for breakfast, you just discriminated.
What’s wrong is unlawful discrimination.
@ snork:
If it is sloppy, I got it:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bigot
NoThreat2U wrote:
You’re also of Transylvanian Saxon ancestry, which makes you an innate “Islamophobe” because your ancestors helped stem the Islamic conquest of Europe.
@ Beeduwine:
I wonder where you got that definition. Dictionaries are very mutable documents; they record current definitions from a particular moment, and definitions change over time. For example, my unabridged dictionary, printed in 1968, defines a “bigot” as:
1) Hypocrite, esp. a superstitious religious hypocrite (obsolete);
2) One obstinately and irrationally, often intolerantly, devoted to his own church, party, belief, or opinion
and defines “bigotry” as “obstinate and unreasoning attachment to one’s own belief and opinions with intolerance of beliefs opposed to them.”
It can be seen here that the defining characteristic of being a bigot, or harboring bigotry, is an obstinate prejudice in the face of countervailing information, not “intolerance” per se.
I suggest, therefore, that the definition you have offered is a more recent definition which has been polluted by politically correct thinking.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I’m not Jewish, but if someone claiming to be Jewish leaves a package for some Messianic Jews that explodes, wouldn’t it be reasonable for me to assume that the person leaving the package wasn’t really Jewish?
@ lobo91:
Yep! They expect people to act like robots. It’ll never happen. I don’t like fat men with long hair either. I am such a bigot. lol
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I just wish they’d give her more botox. Or maybe some blowfish toxin. Curare. Cyanide. TNT. High Voltage!
Iron Fist wrote:
Que the poll dancers.
Beeduwine wrote:
In the case of Haggard and the like, it gives people who are not Christians a false impression of what Christianity is all about. This may deter them from investigating Christianity any further and/or prejudice them against Christian people across the board.
@ Philip_Daniel:
Yeah, there is that too
Iron Fist wrote:
I spoke to one today — from India. Considers herself pious, but doesn’t even wear hijab. I think I totally lost her when I started speaking about al-wala’a wa’l-bara’a and the ahadith. Thing is, there are genuine moderates like her, who are basically deists and thus apostates, Muslimin in name only; they’ll be the first to be slain by the mujahedin, of course, for their kufr al-nifaaq (disbelief out of “hypocrisy”).
mjazz wrote:
I have no idea.
lobo91 wrote:
Amen.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Absolutely. I chose that definition because it made it obvious that every living soul, by this definition, would be a bigot.
And I exemplified it by stating that I would be 2/3 bigot. And I hope everybody understood that the 1/3 non-bigotness was race.
@ Philip_Daniel:
Those were Muslim extremists, ask the ladies on the View.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
YHVH deals with koferim; human beings are forbidden to harm them.
Allah harms kuffar through the swords of other human beings.
Quite a difference.
@ mjazz:
I think it would depend on what the bomber claimed his motives were, for one thing.
Philip_Daniel wrote:
Meaning an apostate Jew, a JINO.
mjazz wrote:
Extremism is a virtue in Islam, whether Sunni or Shi’a or Sufi.
@ Philip_Daniel:
Oh, I’m sure they are out there, but I am also sure that they are, as this person you describe, not well versed in what Mohammedanism really is, its history, and the teachings of the “Church” as it were, though I, for the life of me, don’t understand them. If I thought I was part of something, say, the Hell’s Angels, and other people calling themselves Hell’s Angles were going around doing violent acts that I would never even consider, I might question as to whether I should remain a Hell’s Angel. Maybe that’s just me, but, you know, that is how I see it.
@ Philip_Daniel:
A lot of them don’t even know what their own religion says.
I read where a woman left Islam because it said it was okay to rape your female captives.
@ chickadee:
If one does not tolerate intolerance, then is one tolerant or intolerant?
@ 1389AD:
I disagree again. This only becomes a problem because christians are busy looking to ther great little leaders, accepting them as mini-popes and always pointing to them. This is secterism, and is dealt with in the new testament in the Peter vs Paul squabble amongst the christians. And it ends up with something like “are we not one in Christ?”.
Philip_Daniel wrote:
No doubt.
I merely refused to make a judgment on “whether X person might be Jewish” because the parameters of the hypothetical made it impossible to comment. There are people in Code Pink who are in no way religious, and who are solid antisemites and anti-Zionists, but who are halachically Jews. I happen to know that the son of an acquaintance, who is certainly a Jew under halacha and who received a Jewish education, was involved in one of the recent “flotilla” abominations.
With this in mind, to opine on whether someone “claiming to be a Jew” but who did something reprehensible is or is not in fact a Jew is impossible to do given the amount of information provided.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
That’s true -- but someone who is neither a Jew under halacha nor ever converted to Judaism, but who claims to be a Jew, is a liar and an imposter. Some online trolls pretend to be all sorts of things, and many of them are eventually exposed.
Mine wasn’t the best example for the point I was trying to make.
1389AD wrote:
Quite so. One of the things that I have found over the years, as far as online imposters are concerned, is that many of those who pretend to be Jews cannot resist taking stereotypically Jewish names as screen nics.
In this, they resemble drag queens, who are caricatures of femininity rather than being actually feminine. Likewise, the faux-Jewish trolls are “Judaic drag queens,” caricatures rather than the genuine article—and, like actual drag queens, their dicks, or rather the fact that they are dicks, tend to pop out embarrassingly to show them up.
I was just saying that if someone claims to be a member of an ethical religion and then behaves in manner antithetical to that religion, then it would be reasonable to assume that that person isn’t a sincere practitioner of that religion.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
At the end of the day, it always comes down to dicks.
mjazz wrote:
True. But Judaism is different from Christianity in that it is not based purely on belief: one is counted as a Jew if one is a Jew according to halacha—Jewish law—regardless of one’s level of practice. If your mother was a Jew, you are, even if you are a solid antisemite. One is also accounted a Jew if one undergoes a halachic conversion, of course, but we will leave that (and the recent slackening of standards by Reform Jews) to the side, if you don’t mind.
Christians may say “so and so is not a Christian, because that person does not act in a Christian manner” and may well be right in doing so. We Jews, however, are stuck with our fellow-tribesfolk regardless of whether or not they abide by the laws of the Torah, merely on the basis of their having been born into the tribe.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
On the internet, nobody knows you’re a dog.
Fox News
Should any one from Fox News come here and read.
Taxfreekiller idea free on the internet.
This, the smikey faced lightweight Sheppard Smith of the fake smile and fake conservative line.
Replace him with Juan Williams, that and allow Juan to be on other shows in the same manner as prior.
If Juan goes loon on the news show, cut him back to the other shows, you only have viewers to gain.
no charge.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
That’s why the example I chose was terrible. I don’t know a lot about Judaism, but I do know that the question of who is or isn’t a Jew can get quite complex.
refugee000 wrote:
I flew to DC not long after 9/11. It was the first flight I had taken after the attacks. Across the aisle from me was young moslem man. He was well dressed, and not particularly suspicious. But my heart was pounding HARD in my temples as we took off. I wouldn/t take my eyes off of him. Call it islamophobia, call it PTSD after witnessing 9/11 first hand, call it what you will, but that guy made me NERVOUS AS HELL! So, yea Juan Williams. I’m right there with you.
@ Nevergiveup:
The muzz dressed in the sheets are doing so as a political statement. There’s nothing in their religion that requires them to dress that way. They are simply doing it to get in our face, so from that standpoint alone, they are participating in jihad.
Sure, the bomb carriers and would-be hijackers may dress Western in an effort to avoid scrutiny at airport security. That’s a given.
Point is, they are all playing for the same team, Team Jihad.
@ Rancher:
“She in jail?”
LOLOL! That’s the way I read it, too.
@ Iron Fist:
I damn sure watch them, but I don’t worry about them, I can’t, they have been on every flight I have taken since 911 and that would be too much uneeded anxiety, so I carry a garotte for piece of mind when traveling with ROPers.
snork wrote:
*Woof!*
F wrote:
Aha! I’ve always suspected you were a dog.
about 2 years ago, I listened to some guy describing how he gathered a series of unsubstanciated reports of Americans torturing Iraqi citizens, and then hiring time on an Iraqi radio station to publicly broadcast these inflamatory accusations, because the local stations there weren’t buying their lies.
This was on NPR.
They are disgusting.
Journalistic standards my ass.
They can kiss mine. I will never send them a penny.
Accidently posted on prior thread