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Has America Started to Grow Up?

by Speranza ( 130 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Politics at November 16th, 2010 - 6:30 pm

I think we are starting to take the first tentative steps towards maturity. Those of us who were never for one instant fooled by Barack Obama ought to pat themselves on the back. The election of 2008  thanks to the the media conspiracy was the biggest con game ever played upon this nation.  It is nice to know that  some people who were duped have awakened, sadly in certain parts of the country (such as the West and East Coast), they still party on.

by Ben Shapiro

If the 2008 presidential elections marked the apex of America’s political adolescence, the 2010 midterm election represented the first glimmers of political maturation.

The year 2008 was the culmination of two concomitant American desires: the desire for political consonance and the desire for responsibility-free living. Americans elected President Obama because we wanted to put an end to divisive and strident debate in the aftermath of the Bush years; we were tired, and we were taken in by President Obama’s happy talk about the Great Political Convergence and the Great Racial Healing. At the same time, Americans were hurting, and we wanted the government to take care of us; we didn’t even want the responsibility of holding government accountable, so we turned over the levers of power to Great Administrators.

It was stupidly hopeful, juvenile in the extreme. There’s a reason that the Democratic Party counted on college students to an inordinate degree in 2008 — they required the mush-filled skulls of enthusiastic non-taxpaying pseudo-intellectuals to lead the way.

And so we elected President Obama. It was a time for dreaming. Then we woke up.

[...]

During this election cycle, President Obama fondly and repeatedly utilized a cloying metaphor about D standing for both Drive and Democrat, while R stood for Reverse and Republican. He never established what we were supposedly driving toward or away from.

But Americans understood. We were driving toward Europe. We were driving away from our history.

And we saw, growing in the windshield, the looming spectre of the European socialist experiment. We saw Greece, where union contracts and government debt had bankrupted an entire nation and turned it into a raging band of disaffected leeches. We saw France, where high taxation, low work hours and early retirement had turned one of the oldest members of Western Civilization into a cauldron of whining. We saw Spain, where perennially high inflation eventually sank the country’s credit.

Then we looked in the rearview mirror. We saw the booming pre-Great Society economy. We saw the economy-jumpstarting Reagan tax cuts. We saw a time when Americans could start businesses without entangling themselves in burdensome regulatory schemes, when Americans could actually keep and save their own money and pass that money on to their children, when Americans gave charity to those in need rather than tax money to bureaucrats in plush offices.

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  1. snork
    1 | November 16, 2010 6:38 pm

    Those of us who were never for one instant fooled by Barack Obama ought to pat themselves on the back.

    Ouch. That hurts.


  2. snork
    2 | November 16, 2010 6:44 pm

    It was stupidly hopeful, juvenile in the extreme. There’s a reason that the Democratic Party counted on college students to an inordinate degree in 2008 — they required the mush-filled skulls of enthusiastic non-taxpaying pseudo-intellectuals to lead the way.

    Now that two classes have graduated, they’re finding that delivering pizza isn’t a good plan for paying back that $100,000 in student loans. Maybe that’s why they weren’t quite as hopenchangeful as they were a couple years ago.

    In the coming years, it’s only going to get worse. That million more over the course of your career that they promised isn’t materializing, and the collection agency is. The student loan shakedown program may be the the single biggest thing they’ve done to help the Tea Party movement and the GOP.


  3. snork
    3 | November 16, 2010 6:50 pm

    During this election cycle, President Obama fondly and repeatedly utilized a cloying metaphor about D standing for both Drive and Democrat, while R stood for Reverse and Republican.

    Which leads to this diddy.


  4. BBEV
    4 | November 16, 2010 6:50 pm

    I tried and tried to tell people what Obama was with facts and except from people here what I got is that I was stupid and misinformed. It is nice to be right but dang only if more had listened.


  5. Nevergiveup
    5 | November 16, 2010 6:54 pm

    BBEV wrote:

    I tried and tried to tell people what Obama was with facts and except from people here what I got is that I was stupid and misinformed. It is nice to be right but dang only if more had listened.

    I have real trouble be ing civil to those jerks who voted for Obama without knowing anything about him or ignoring what was plainly obvious to anyone with half a brain.


  6. snork
    6 | November 16, 2010 6:56 pm

    @ BBEV:
    Those people are nowhere to be found now. It’s like the gulf oil spill. The people who said the safety procedures were overkill all evaporated into the ether.

    Except for the couple of hippies with Obama/Biden bumper stickers on their ’63 Checy pickups. Too stoned to see the irony.


  7. Nevergiveup
    7 | November 16, 2010 6:56 pm

    N.J. Town Outlaws Sleeping In Public
    Police Chief: Ordinance Designed To Deal With Homeless

    Shit if sleeping in class had been illegal, I would have spent 4 years of college in the hoosegow


  8. BBEV
    8 | November 16, 2010 6:57 pm

    We had full facts to show them. We showed them his alliances and affiliations with full back up and we where called nuts. WTF


  9. waldensianspirit
    9 | November 16, 2010 6:59 pm

    Obama will make you pay for your insolence. He’ll soak the country with legalized illegals.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/16/AR2010111605358.html


  10. snork
    10 | November 16, 2010 7:01 pm


  11. Nevergiveup
    11 | November 16, 2010 7:02 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Obama will make you pay for your insolence. He’ll soak the country with legalized illegals.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/16/AR2010111605358.html

    Over my dead body


  12. waldensianspirit
    12 | November 16, 2010 7:06 pm

    Jan Schakowsky offers liberal deficit plan … in 2015 …

    Simple plan: continue spending like drunken sailors [apologies to drunken sailors; they at least quit when they're out of their own dough] and raise taxes


  13. 13 | November 16, 2010 7:08 pm

    OT: Charles Rangel claims the right to retain council dates back to Magna Carta.

    Sorry Charlie.


  14. Nevergiveup
    14 | November 16, 2010 7:09 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Jan Schakowsky offers liberal deficit plan … in 2015 …

    Simple plan: continue spending like drunken sailors [apologies to drunken sailors; they at least quit when they're out of their own dough] and raise taxes

    Basically it’s an outline of what is wrong with the left


  15. waldensianspirit
    15 | November 16, 2010 7:10 pm

    @ Crusader Rabbit:
    And people keep pulling the lever for him. Growing up country my tuckus


  16. Nevergiveup
    16 | November 16, 2010 7:10 pm

    Crusader Rabbit wrote:

    OT: Charles Rangel claims the right to retain council dates back to Magna Carta.

    Sorry Charlie.

    I thought that right went back to the Beer Belly Billy Carta?


  17. buzzsawmonkey
    17 | November 16, 2010 7:10 pm

    America still has some growing up to do. Check out Andrew Sullivan’s new outrage, and his tongue bath from Mad King Yertle.


  18. Nevergiveup
    18 | November 16, 2010 7:11 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ Crusader Rabbit:
    And people keep pulling the lever for him. Growing up country my tuckus

    Well that’s the problem. Instead of growing up COUNTRY, these people grew up in Harlem


  19. snork
    19 | November 16, 2010 7:12 pm

    @ Crusader Rabbit:
    Am I going to have to go grammar Nazi on you, too?


  20. 20 | November 16, 2010 7:14 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    It’s a safe bet his constituents aren’t familiar with Magna Carta either.

    One of the late night shows could probably do one of those “man in the street” gags and get any number of people in his district to agree that it is one of the better brands of some consumer product.


  21. waldensianspirit
    21 | November 16, 2010 7:14 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Ineducable to boot. Can they possibly believe money just sits still for them to tax without Le Chatelier’s Principle kicking in?

    If a dynamic equilibrium is disturbed by changing the conditions, the position of equilibrium moves to counteract the change.


  22. snork
    22 | November 16, 2010 7:15 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I misplaced my racism glasses. I’m just not seeing it. Or are you supposed to take acid first?


  23. 23 | November 16, 2010 7:15 pm

    @ snork:
    Hit me with your best shot.


  24. snork
    24 | November 16, 2010 7:16 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Hmm. The thermodynamics of the Laffer curve. If only I understood algebra.


  25. wolfie
    25 | November 16, 2010 7:16 pm

    Crusader Rabbit wrote:

    Charles Rangel claims the right to retain council dates back to Magna Carta.

    :lol:
    What’s even funnier is that just last summer Rangel was whining about having to subject himself to “Anglo-Saxon” procedures. Now he decides to pull Magna Carta out of his hat!


  26. buzzsawmonkey
    26 | November 16, 2010 7:17 pm

    snork wrote:

    I misplaced my racism glasses. I’m just not seeing it. Or are you supposed to take acid first?

    Well, you see, it’s grafitti, which is identified often with inner-city youths of color.


  27. 27 | November 16, 2010 7:17 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Hmm. The thermodynamics of the Laffer curve. If only I understood algebra.

    That’s too bad. You don’t get to the Laffer curve until Calculus I.


  28. Nevergiveup
    28 | November 16, 2010 7:18 pm

    Clash with U.S. over terms of settlement freeze stalls cabinet vote
    Disagreements rose from American desire to remain vague over whether it will seek another freeze three months from now.

    Hey who has the vaseline?


  29. snork
    29 | November 16, 2010 7:18 pm

    @ Crusader Rabbit:
    Council = group of people running something. Counsel = attorney.


  30. Nevergiveup
    30 | November 16, 2010 7:19 pm

    wolfie wrote:

    Crusader Rabbit wrote:

    Charles Rangel claims the right to retain council dates back to Magna Carta.

    What’s even funnier is that just last summer Rangel was whining about having to subject himself to “Anglo-Saxon” procedures. Now he decides to pull Magna Carta out of his hat!

    you need an anatomy class, that wasn’t his hat he pulled it out of


  31. 31 | November 16, 2010 7:19 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ Crusader Rabbit:
    Council = group of people running something. Counsel = attorney.

    Thanks for the catch.


  32. snork
    32 | November 16, 2010 7:20 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Cuz the white suburban kids are sniffing the paint?


  33. wolfie
    33 | November 16, 2010 7:20 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Even my dog can’t hear that whistle.


  34. wolfie
    34 | November 16, 2010 7:23 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Well, you see, it’s grafitti, which is identified often with inner-city youths of color.

    Ohhhhhhhhh. Sure. Okay. :roll:


  35. lobo91
    35 | November 16, 2010 7:23 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Jan Schakowsky offers liberal deficit plan … in 2015 …
    Simple plan: continue spending like drunken sailors [apologies to drunken sailors; they at least quit when they're out of their own dough] and raise taxes

    Schakowsky is a Marxist, in case anyone’s wondering.

    Nothing she’s involved with should be described as “liberal.”


  36. snork
    36 | November 16, 2010 7:24 pm

    Well no shit.

    Rahm: I never believed in bipartisanship


  37. 38 | November 16, 2010 7:31 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Leftists love to ruin the language. Calling themselves liberals was something they fell in to after they had defamed the term “progressive.” That term always struck me as ironic and I’ve often challenged people to tell me “Progress toward what?”.

    They’ve done so much damage to the term “liberal” that no less of a leftist than Hillary made a big pronouncement in ’08 about how she wasn’t a “liberal” but rather a “progressive”.

    I wonder how many generations will have to pass before the term “liberal” won’t be derogatory any more.


  38. lobo91
    39 | November 16, 2010 7:31 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    The decision to waste time chasing bipartisan support for health reform was clearly one of the mistakes that led to health care being such a big political liability for Dems. It extended the whole mess by months and months, which gave opponents more time to demagogue the bill and scare voters point out the crap that was in it and helped turn the public against the process.


  39. 40 | November 16, 2010 7:32 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    snork wrote:
    @ snork:

    As someone who used to know graf artists, the best grafers were Whites. So Chuck and his buddy Sullivan claiming that Obama grafed on Mt. Rushmore in a cartoon is racist, just doesn’t fit reality.


  40. Macker
    41 | November 16, 2010 7:33 pm

    wolfie wrote:

    What’s even funnier is that just last summer Rangel was whining about having to subject himself to “Anglo-Saxon” procedures. Now he decides to pull Magna Carta out of his hat ass!

    There, fixed that for ya!


  41. lobo91
    42 | November 16, 2010 7:33 pm

    @ Crusader Rabbit:

    Schakowsky is way past “progressive,” too.

    She’s an outright Marxist.

    So is her felon husband–the guy who wrote the plan for Obamacare.


  42. 43 | November 16, 2010 7:34 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Hmm. The thermodynamics of the Laffer curve. If only I understood algebra.

    Be glad, Laffer curves only make your head hurt, on the inside… :shock:


  43. snork
    44 | November 16, 2010 7:35 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    As someone who used to know graf artists, the best grafers were Whites. So Chuck and his buddy Sullivan claiming that Obama grafed on Mt. Rushmore in a cartoon is racist, just doesn’t fit reality.

    Dude. Don’t talk about Chuck, Andy Sullivan, and fitting all in the same sentence.


  44. snork
    45 | November 16, 2010 7:36 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    So is her felon husband–the guy who wrote the plan for Obamacare.

    From in prison, right?


  45. lobo91
    46 | November 16, 2010 7:38 pm

    snork wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    So is her felon husband–the guy who wrote the plan for Obamacare.
    From in prison, right?

    Yup.

    For bank fraud, involving his work with a non-profit.


  46. chickadee
    47 | November 16, 2010 7:41 pm

    Look at all the wavers for ObamaCare.
    111 special exemptions to unions and other businesses.
    And add all the muzz that get to to opt. out because they’re special.

    What a fcking joke. And they think they are going to hold us hostage to it.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2010/11/14/waiver-mania-the-ever-expanding-obamacare-escapee-list/


  47. snork
    48 | November 16, 2010 7:41 pm

    @ lobo91:
    But non-profit are run by angels.


  48. Macker
  49. 50 | November 16, 2010 7:44 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Well, not ironically, “progressive” has always been a code-word for “Marxist”.

    The only progress they actually believe in is the “inevitable march to Socialism.”


  50. snork
    51 | November 16, 2010 7:45 pm

    W. T. F. ?????


  51. buzzsawmonkey
    52 | November 16, 2010 7:46 pm

    snork wrote:

    But non-profit are run by angels.

    I constantly have to remind my students, who get whinged at by non-profits who want services at under-market rates, that “non-profit” is nothing more than a tax designation which determines what the entity can or cannot do with its money. It doesn’t mean they don’t have money, and it doesn’t mean they can’t spend money; typically, non-profits pay market rates for most services, and the people at the top of the organizational pyramid usually do very, very well for themselves.


  52. waldensianspirit
    53 | November 16, 2010 7:47 pm

    @ Macker:
    And all the terrorists are laughing


  53. 54 | November 16, 2010 7:48 pm

    Where is SADM… Ouch, Yngiwe Malmsteen taking Joe Satriani and Steve Vai to school….


  54. Macker
    55 | November 16, 2010 7:48 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    [Deleted]


  55. lobo91
    56 | November 16, 2010 7:49 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Schakowsky and her husband live quite well.

    As do Bill Ayers and his wife.

    And the Obamas’ next-door neighbor in Chicago is another well-known “community organizer.”

    There seems to be a lot of “profit” in “non-profits”…


  56. snork
    57 | November 16, 2010 7:52 pm

    @ chickadee:
    Star Trek???


  57. buzzsawmonkey
    58 | November 16, 2010 7:52 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Well, as far as Ayers is concerned, you’ve got to remember he is both heir to a fortune and has his professorial salary in addition.

    But yes—non-profits are a big fat gravy train if you’re at the top.


  58. 59 | November 16, 2010 7:52 pm

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  59. NoThreat2U
    60 | November 16, 2010 7:55 pm

    Company digging mine in Afghanistan unearths 2,600-year-old Buddhist monastery

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1329650/Company-digging-Afghanistan-unearths-2-600-year-old-Buddhist-monastery.html#ixzz15UrWlXlO


  60. snork
    61 | November 16, 2010 7:55 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I constantly have to remind my students, who get whinged at by non-profits who want services at under-market rates, that “non-profit” is nothing more than a tax designation which determines what the entity can or cannot do with its money. It doesn’t mean they don’t have money, and it doesn’t mean they can’t spend money; typically, non-profits pay market rates for most services, and the people at the top of the organizational pyramid usually do very, very well for themselves.

    Exactly. Most hospitals are non profits, but there are plenty of six figure salaries being paid out. But perish the thought that anyone want to audit their books. How dare you!


  61. chickadee
    62 | November 16, 2010 7:56 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ Macker:
    And all the terrorists are laughing

    Sure they are. They have created all this chaos and stress. Even if they aren’t blowing stuff up they are making people miserable. This is islam fcking with the infidel any way it can.
    And to add insult to injury, the muzz, in full burqas, waltz right on passed old ladies getting groped.


  62. snork
    63 | November 16, 2010 7:56 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    But yes—non-profits are a big fat gravy train if you’re at the top.

    Big fat sanctimonious gravy trains.


  63. buzzsawmonkey
    64 | November 16, 2010 7:57 pm

    snork wrote:

    Big fat sanctimonious gravy trains.

    Maybe “sanctimonetary” is a useful new coinage…


  64. 65 | November 16, 2010 7:57 pm

    snork wrote:

    Those of us who were never for one instant fooled by Barack Obama ought to pat themselves on the back.
    Ouch. That hurts.

    That’d be me.

    IMO, America has not started to grow up, not at all.

    When America realizes and repents from the evil that America did to the Serbs, maybe then.


  65. waldensianspirit
    66 | November 16, 2010 7:58 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    Wow! The Taliban is just drooling while inventorying their dynamite stash-in-waiting.


  66. 67 | November 16, 2010 7:58 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Chuckles finally gave Andrew Sullivian a blow-job? I’ve been expecting that. I guess that makes Chuckles a Trig Truther in addition to an anti-Semite.


  67. NoThreat2U
    68 | November 16, 2010 7:59 pm

    In the comments from my link:

    Quote: Now the americans wil defo not leave afganistan. 1st they wanted oil and now they are guna want this and i would be suprised if there isnt another so attack of terror which they are gona interigate and send more troops to afgan.

    - Aki, Bham, 16/11/2010 14:58 Unquote.

    ROFLMAO**************


  68. lobo91
    69 | November 16, 2010 8:00 pm

    snork wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    But yes—non-profits are a big fat gravy train if you’re at the top.
    Big fat sanctimonious gravy trains.

    Of course, that’s their real purpose.

    Well, that and the acquisition of power by those in charge.

    It’s funny how nobody ever points out the fact that the people they’re supoosed to be “helping” never seem to see any improvement in their lives…


  69. snork
    70 | November 16, 2010 8:01 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I guess that makes Chuckles a Trig Truther in addition to an anti-Semite.

    Well, the Trig Truther needs a Truth Trigger.


  70. 71 | November 16, 2010 8:01 pm

    @ lobo91:

    You wouldn’t expect that money to go to the people, now would you? Because that would be wrong. You wouldn’t want to trouble the little people with too much money. That is the burden that self-less souls like Obama aggregate to themselves, bless their souls…


  71. NoThreat2U
    72 | November 16, 2010 8:01 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Of course they are.


  72. chickadee
    73 | November 16, 2010 8:02 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    Company digging mine in Afghanistan unearths 2,600-year-old Buddhist monastery

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1329650/Company-digging-Afghanistan-unearths-2-600-year-old-Buddhist-monastery.html#ixzz15UrWlXlO

    shhhhh . . . . . don’t mention this great discovery. Oh Noooooo. . . . . Here come the taliban with the dynamite.


  73. buzzsawmonkey
    74 | November 16, 2010 8:02 pm

    @ Macker:

    From earlier today, for everyone contemplating Thanksgiving travel:

    Through TSA Airport Security
    —with apologies to the Thanksgiving poem, “Over the River and Through the Woods” by Lydia Maria Child

    Through TSA airport security
    To grandmother’s house we go
    We are never fazed
    As we fill up the trays
    Where our coats and shoes we stow

    Through TSA airport security
    We submit to full-body scans
    So they can find out
    Without any doubt
    Whether we’re woman or man

    Through TSA airport security
    Should we balk as they peek
    They will grope our junk
    As if we’re prison punks
    The sensation is…unique

    Through TSA airport security
    It’s considered bad form to say
    That they’ve prevented naught
    They’ve no terrorists caught—
    Hurrah for Thanksgiving Day!


  74. BuddyG
    75 | November 16, 2010 8:04 pm

    snork wrote:

    delivering pizza isn’t a good plan for paying back that $100,000 in student loans

    The “education bubble” is due to pop.


  75. wolfie
    76 | November 16, 2010 8:07 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    OMG. That is wonderful.
    On second thought, that’s awful.
    The Islamo-crazies will destroy it.
    Better it should remain hidden.


  76. 77 | November 16, 2010 8:09 pm

    snork wrote:

    It was stupidly hopeful, juvenile in the extreme. There’s a reason that the Democratic Party counted on college students to an inordinate degree in 2008 — they required the mush-filled skulls of enthusiastic non-taxpaying pseudo-intellectuals to lead the way.
    Now that two classes have graduated, they’re finding that delivering pizza isn’t a good plan for paying back that $100,000 in student loans. Maybe that’s why they weren’t quite as hopenchangeful as they were a couple years ago.
    In the coming years, it’s only going to get worse. That million more over the course of your career that they promised isn’t materializing, and the collection agency is. The student loan shakedown program may be the the single biggest thing they’ve done to help the Tea Party movement and the GOP.

    Those student loans cannot be discharged through bankruptcy. The demonrats no doubt are planning some sort of government indenture program as a new form of peonage.

    The only other alternative is for those immature hopeychangey bozos who voted for the Obozo-in-Chief to abandon their debts by leaving the US and starting over with nothing, in some other part of the world. If they do that, we can only hope that there is some way of removing them from the voter rolls in the districts where they are no longer resident.

    :(


  77. 78 | November 16, 2010 8:10 pm

    @ wolfie:

    It is proof that Afghanistan wasn’t always Mohammedan territory. The Muzz are foreign colonial invaders, and should be violently expelled to Saudi Arabia (the only place in the world the Muzz should be allowed).


  78. NoThreat2U
    79 | November 16, 2010 8:10 pm

    @ chickadee:
    I liked the comment…the Chinese find it an the Americans will use it as an excuse to stay there…just like we did for the oil? God some people are too stupid to live. lol

    @ wolfie:
    I wonder if anyone will try to stop them from destroying this find?


  79. lobo91
    80 | November 16, 2010 8:12 pm

    BuddyG wrote:

    snork wrote:
    delivering pizza isn’t a good plan for paying back that $100,000 in student loans
    The “education bubble” is due to pop.

    They’re going to have to do something about student loans.

    There are millions of people out there (myself included) who are saddled with loan payments for degrees that turned out to be utterly useless, especially in today’s economy.

    I just applied for a job at Target.


  80. 81 | November 16, 2010 8:12 pm

    BuddyG wrote:

    snork wrote:
    delivering pizza isn’t a good plan for paying back that $100,000 in student loans
    The “education bubble” is due to pop.

    I blogged about that in some detail quite recently.

    This should pull the rug out from under a lot of the commies that make their living in academia. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch of people.


  81. NoThreat2U
    82 | November 16, 2010 8:12 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    You’re right, this is proof positive. That is why they want to destroy everything they come across. Bastards. I really hope someone is protecting this site….and no, not American personnel.


  82. 83 | November 16, 2010 8:14 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    BuddyG wrote:
    snork wrote:
    delivering pizza isn’t a good plan for paying back that $100,000 in student loans
    The “education bubble” is due to pop.
    They’re going to have to do something about student loans.
    There are millions of people out there (myself included) who are saddled with loan payments for degrees that turned out to be utterly useless, especially in today’s economy.
    I just applied for a job at Target.

    If I were you, I’d say to hell with it all and move to Chile, without leaving a forwarding address.

    I’ll probably see ya there in the next year or two, God willing.


  83. chickadee
    84 | November 16, 2010 8:15 pm

    @ wolfie:
    Isn’t that awful that our second thought is hide it, cover it up.
    Protect it from islam.


  84. NoThreat2U
    85 | November 16, 2010 8:17 pm

    @ chickadee:
    That is a terrible thought. How sad.


  85. 86 | November 16, 2010 8:17 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I just applied for a job at Target.

    They don’t keep job apps on file for very long at most retail stores.

    If you want a retail job you have to apply over and over at every store in your town, then after you’ve applied, visit in person again and again to each store to ask about getting the job.


  86. chickadee
    87 | November 16, 2010 8:18 pm

    Perfect example of the tolerant peaceful nature of islam.
    They destroy everything in their path.


  87. 88 | November 16, 2010 8:19 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    @ wolfie:
    Isn’t that awful that our second thought is hide it, cover it up.
    Protect it from islam.

    That was my immediate thought too. I hope that the Chinese will be a lot more proactive about defending a landmark site than the US has been.

    We let al Qaeda take a second shot at the Twin Towers, after the first failed attack. We should have deported Muslims en masse after the first attack, but we didn’t.


  88. chickadee
    89 | November 16, 2010 8:20 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ chickadee:
    That is a terrible thought. How sad.

    I was remembering what they did to those incredible centuries old Buddhist statues.
    Took hammers to them and then blew them up.
    We are dealing with truly barbaric monsters.


  89. 90 | November 16, 2010 8:20 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    you need an anatomy class, that wasn’t his hat he pulled it out of

    Furthermore, there are no vital organs under his hat.


  90. NoThreat2U
    91 | November 16, 2010 8:21 pm

    @ chickadee:
    …and then they plant their flag in it’s place. Then, the claim it as the 123,000 holiest site in islam through some made up koran verse. It’s almost comical. Almost.


  91. waldensianspirit
    92 | November 16, 2010 8:21 pm

    Best news all day:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704312504575618660151287450.html?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLETopStories
    Obama’s effort to destroy our weapons will most probably be thwarted! ht drudge


  92. NoThreat2U
    93 | November 16, 2010 8:21 pm

    @ chickadee:
    I can’t believe the world sat by and let that happen.


  93. 94 | November 16, 2010 8:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    BuddyG wrote:
    snork wrote:
    delivering pizza isn’t a good plan for paying back that $100,000 in student loans
    The “education bubble” is due to pop.
    They’re going to have to do something about student loans.
    There are millions of people out there (myself included) who are saddled with loan payments for degrees that turned out to be utterly useless, especially in today’s economy.
    I just applied for a job at Target.

    ROTFLMAO… tell me about it, after 25 years mine just got paid off last year. Full amount plus god knows how much interest. The degree, B.F.A min music, utterly useless, but hey it only cost me 45,000 dollars, such a bargain…. :shock:


  94. 95 | November 16, 2010 8:22 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    N.J. Town Outlaws Sleeping In Public
    Police Chief: Ordinance Designed To Deal With Homeless

    Shit if sleeping in class had been illegal, I would have spent 4 years of college in the hoosegow

    Shows what a terrible mood I’m in right now. I misread “ordinance” as “ordnance.”

    But then, I used to live in Chicago, where that reading would not have been too far from the truth.


  95. wolfie
    96 | November 16, 2010 8:22 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    This should pull the rug out from under a lot of the commies that make their living in academia. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch of people.

    Not all of us are commies, and the worst offenders will be the last to suffer.
    (But I do understand your sentiment and to a large extent share it.)


  96. chickadee
    97 | November 16, 2010 8:25 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    They won’t be a coddled special class forever. Everyday, they are held in more contempt by civilized people who are watching them murder rape and pillage.


  97. 98 | November 16, 2010 8:25 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Best news all day:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704312504575618660151287450.html?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLETopStories
    Obama’s effort to destroy our weapons will most probably be thwarted! ht drudge

    Both the US and Russia will need those weapons as a deterrent against the Muslims. Or maybe as a preemptive attack. Whenever I’m in a REALLY bad mood I get a ferocious craving to see some of that good ol’ bottled sunshine.


  98. waldensianspirit
    99 | November 16, 2010 8:25 pm

    @ wolfie:
    Yep Michael Mann is well funded


  99. lobo91
    100 | November 16, 2010 8:26 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    ROTFLMAO… tell me about it, after 25 years mine just got paid off last year. Full amount plus god knows how much interest. The degree, B.F.A min music, utterly useless, but hey it only cost me 45,000 dollars, such a bargain….

    I’ll be paying on mine until I’m 75…


  100. 101 | November 16, 2010 8:27 pm

    wolfie wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    This should pull the rug out from under a lot of the commies that make their living in academia. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch of people.
    Not all of us are commies, and the worst offenders will be the last to suffer.
    (But I do understand your sentiment and to a large extent share it.)

    I probably painted with too broad a brush. But then I’m in a really crappy mood today. I usually make some effort to fight off the depression but my usual strategems are not working.

    We had a very slow day at work. Makes me worry about being laid off from my part-time minimum wage job. :(


  101. 102 | November 16, 2010 8:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    ROTFLMAO… tell me about it, after 25 years mine just got paid off last year. Full amount plus god knows how much interest. The degree, B.F.A min music, utterly useless, but hey it only cost me 45,000 dollars, such a bargain….
    I’ll be paying on mine until I’m 75…

    Oh believe me when I say, I feel your pain….


  102. lobo91
    103 | November 16, 2010 8:27 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    They won’t be a coddled special class forever. Everyday, they are held in more contempt by civilized people who are watching them murder rape and pillage.

    I had to go back and see if you were talking about the Taliban, or academics…


  103. wolfie
    104 | November 16, 2010 8:29 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Yep Michael Mann is well funded

    Nice life, eh?


  104. 105 | November 16, 2010 8:29 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    ROTFLMAO… tell me about it, after 25 years mine just got paid off last year. Full amount plus god knows how much interest. The degree, B.F.A min music, utterly useless, but hey it only cost me 45,000 dollars, such a bargain….
    I’ll be paying on mine until I’m 75…

    Everybody wondered why I never went back for another degree after I got my BA in 1976. I said that I hated being around schools and academia, that the whole environment was thoroughly dirty. That saved me from being in debt for schooling.


  105. chickadee
    106 | November 16, 2010 8:30 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ chickadee:
    I can’t believe the world sat by and let that happen.

    Yes it was shocking. Where was the outrage from the mfm? World treasures destroyed by monstrous barbarians.


  106. 107 | November 16, 2010 8:31 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    chickadee wrote:
    @ 1389AD:
    They won’t be a coddled special class forever. Everyday, they are held in more contempt by civilized people who are watching them murder rape and pillage.
    I had to go back and see if you were talking about the Taliban, or academics…

    :lol: What’s the difference – they’re all part of the tranzi-progressive/jihadi axis!


  107. NoThreat2U
    108 | November 16, 2010 8:31 pm

    @ chickadee:
    I’m trying to think back to that. All I remember was a collective Oh Well from everyone. I think they misunderestimated the taliban and their plans. I am really curious to see what happen with this find though.


  108. chickadee
    109 | November 16, 2010 8:33 pm

    @ lobo91:
    LOL,
    :)


  109. waldensianspirit
    110 | November 16, 2010 8:34 pm

    Allen West wants to cut nation-building “defense spending”:


  110. NoThreat2U
    111 | November 16, 2010 8:34 pm

    Well folks, I may be back later. I made the mistake of having milk today and my tummy is killing me. I feel like i’m gonna burst. lol lol Gonna chug some maalox and hope for the best.

    Ciao :)


  111. wolfie
    112 | November 16, 2010 8:35 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    I probably painted with too broad a brush.

    I do that myself all the time. :)

    Reminds me of a lunch chat I had with a conservative friend a few weeks ago. We were blasting academia and the government and all of a sudden it occurred to us that I was an academician and she was a federal employee! We just cracked up.

    But the thing is, our criticisms were still sincere….and completely valid.


  112. wolfie
    113 | November 16, 2010 8:36 pm

    @ lobo91:

    :lol: ROFLMAO and nearly choking on an oatmeal cookie! :lol:


  113. chickadee
    114 | November 16, 2010 8:37 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Allen West wants to cut nation-building “defense spending”:

    Yeah, fck hearts and minds of savages.


  114. 115 | November 16, 2010 8:38 pm

    wolfie wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    I probably painted with too broad a brush.
    I do that myself all the time.
    Reminds me of a lunch chat I had with a conservative friend a few weeks ago. We were blasting academia and the government and all of a sudden it occurred to us that I was an academician and she was a federal employee! We just cracked up.
    But the thing is, our criticisms were still sincere….and completely valid.

    Our pastor is also a college administrator, and he’s anything but a proggy. But people like him are few and far between.


  115. snork
    116 | November 16, 2010 8:39 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    That whitewash wasn’t cheap, you know…


  116. chickadee
    117 | November 16, 2010 8:40 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    Oh my, hope you feel better.


  117. lobo91
    118 | November 16, 2010 8:40 pm

    wolfie wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    I probably painted with too broad a brush.
    I do that myself all the time.
    Reminds me of a lunch chat I had with a conservative friend a few weeks ago. We were blasting academia and the government and all of a sudden it occurred to us that I was an academician and she was a federal employee! We just cracked up.
    But the thing is, our criticisms were still sincere….and completely valid.

    I’m the same way.

    While I think the government needs to seriously cut back on spending, I’m actively trying to get a federal job myself.

    Unfortunately, that’s where my skills and education best fit.


  118. snork
    119 | November 16, 2010 8:41 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Spheres. Big ones.


  119. 120 | November 16, 2010 8:44 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    wolfie wrote:
    1389AD wrote:
    I probably painted with too broad a brush.
    I do that myself all the time.
    Reminds me of a lunch chat I had with a conservative friend a few weeks ago. We were blasting academia and the government and all of a sudden it occurred to us that I was an academician and she was a federal employee! We just cracked up.
    But the thing is, our criticisms were still sincere….and completely valid.
    I’m the same way.
    While I think the government needs to seriously cut back on spending, I’m actively trying to get a federal job myself.
    Unfortunately, that’s where my skills and education best fit.

    Trouble is, bureaucracies seem to look for people whose political views and personalities (using the word “personality” VERY loosely) match the bureaucratic mindset.


  120. yenta-fada
    121 | November 16, 2010 8:44 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    Look at all the wavers for ObamaCare.
    111 special exemptions to unions and other businesses.
    And add all the muzz that get to to opt. out because they’re special.
    What a fcking joke. And they think they are going to hold us hostage to it.
    http://michellemalkin.com/2010/11/14/waiver-mania-the-ever-expanding-obamacare-escapee-list/

    They need to worry about ‘the little people’.


  121. huckfunn
    122 | November 16, 2010 8:45 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    ROTFLMAO… tell me about it, after 25 years mine just got paid off last year. Full amount plus god knows how much interest. The degree, B.F.A min music, utterly useless, but hey it only cost me 45,000 dollars, such a bargain….

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’ll be paying on mine until I’m 75…

    I was lucky. I was one of the last 2000 people drafted in 1972. I spent 21 months in the Army (90 day early out for VN service) and recieved 45 months of GI bill. I got my Bachelor oFarts debt free.


  122. 123 | November 16, 2010 8:46 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    ROTFLMAO… tell me about it, after 25 years mine just got paid off last year. Full amount plus god knows how much interest. The degree, B.F.A min music, utterly useless, but hey it only cost me 45,000 dollars, such a bargain….

    lobo91 wrote:
    I’ll be paying on mine until I’m 75…

    I was lucky. I was one of the last 2000 people drafted in 1972. I spent 21 months in the Army (90 day early out for VN service) and recieved 45 months of GI bill. I got my Bachelor oFarts debt free.

    I soooo hate you….. :razz:


  123. lobo91
    124 | November 16, 2010 8:48 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    I was lucky. I was one of the last 2000 people drafted in 1972. I spent 21 months in the Army (90 day early out for VN service) and recieved 45 months of GI bill. I got my Bachelor oFarts debt free.

    I fell into the post-Vietnam, pre-9/11 period, so my education benefits were a joke.


  124. snork
    125 | November 16, 2010 8:52 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    I worked my way through. Once upon a time that was possible. Not these days. Tuition (and other expenses) have far outrun inflation. It’s just not possible to do that these days, thanks to all of the “help” kids are getting these days.

    I don’t know how long it’s going to take to get all that toothpaste back in that tube, but I suspect that within 10 years, someone will be able to get a BS degree online for $10,000 or less. The brick-and-mortar places are going to be in a world of hurt, even the land grant colleges.


  125. 126 | November 16, 2010 8:52 pm

    New thread is upstairs.

    BTW, there’s a tornado watch in much of SC, including where I am. RV parks and tornado watches don’t mix. :(


  126. huckfunn
    127 | November 16, 2010 8:52 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    @ lobo91:
    Sometimes I start thinking that I’m pretty smart and that’s when I get myself in trouble. I have been lucky and in the right places at the right times ore than my fair share. I choose lucky over smart any day… and I thank the good Lord, but not near as much as I should.


  127. huckfunn
    128 | November 16, 2010 8:59 pm

    snork wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    I worked my way through. Once upon a time that was possible. Not these days. Tuition (and other expenses) have far outrun inflation. It’s just not possible to do that these days, thanks to all of the “help” kids are getting these days.

    I don’t know how long it’s going to take to get all that toothpaste back in that tube, but I suspect that within 10 years, someone will be able to get a BS degree online for $10,000 or less. The brick-and-mortar places are going to be in a world of hurt, even the land grant colleges.

    The brick and mortar places deserve to be in a world of hurt. The incompetance of the profs, the left wing agenda, the tenure, the fat salaries. Just like the government (in fact one and the same in many instances), they are corrupt from top to bottom. The admins are interested only in feathering their nests. $10k for a BS degree? That almost makes sense. Compare the relative worth of a Nobel Peace Prize.


  128. Speranza
    129 | November 16, 2010 9:04 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    New thread is upstairs.
    BTW, there’s a tornado watch in much of SC, including where I am. RV parks and tornado watches don’t mix.

    We are aware when there are new threads.


  129. Speranza
    130 | November 16, 2010 9:05 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    Yeah, fck hearts and minds of savages.

    Grab’em by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.


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