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Is it about time to remove Chavez in Venezuela, as we did Noriega in Panama?

by Bob in Breckenridge ( 102 Comments › )
Filed under Crime, Europe, History, Venezuela at November 17th, 2010 - 9:03 am

We all know this will never happen with Obungler, unless he’s forced to (kicking and screaming, like the liberal sissy he is) but signs are pointing to the fact, as reported by U.S. federal investigators, that Hugo Chavez is as deeply, if not more, involved in trafficking narcotics not only to the U.S., as Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega was two decades ago, but also to Europe (which Manuel Noriega was never accused of), when President George H.W. Bush decided it was time to remove yet another central American tinpot dictator.

Newsmax has an excellent article about central American drug cartels attempting to buy large aircraft to transport narcotics to Europe.

And what’s the one common denominator in this article, you might ask?

The involvement of narcotic traffickers and criminals from or based in Venezuela, from Columbia and other central American countries.

And since anyone with half a brain knows that virtually nothing happens in Venezuela without the approval of Chavez or his stooges, there’s almost no doubt that they’ve given the green light to conduct this illicit activity.

US: Gangs Buy Jets for Trans-Atlantic Coke Flights

Federal investigators are piecing together details of an audacious new trend in drug smuggling: South American gangs are buying old jets, stuffing them full of cocaine and flying them across the Atlantic to feed Europe’s growing coke habit.

At least three gangs have struck deals to fly drugs to West Africa and from there to Europe, according to U.S. indictments. One trafficker claimed he already had six aircraft flying. Another said he was managing five airplanes. Because there is no radar coverage over the ocean, big planes can cross the Atlantic virtually undetected.

“The sky’s the limit,” one Sierra Leone trafficker boasted to a Drug Enforcement Administration informant, according to court documents.

[...]

In some cases, executive jets have been used, including a Gulfstream II that landed in Guinea-Bissau in 2008 and another Gulfstream seized in 2007 as it tried to depart Venezuela for Sierra Leone.

In the last year, a flurry of arrests has begun shedding light on how the air routes work. The cases are being prosecuted in a New York federal court because some of the cocaine was supposed to have been sent to the United States.

“The quantity of cocaine distributed and the means employed to distribute it were extraordinary,” prosecutors wrote in one case. They warned of a conspiracy to “spread vast quantities of cocaine throughout the world by way of cargo airplanes.”

In some ways it is a throwback to the 1970s and ’80s, when drug pilots flew freely between Colombia and staging areas near the U.S. border, Decker said. Back then, drug lords such as Amado Carrillo, nicknamed The Lord of the Skies, sent jets with as much as 15 tons of cocaine from Colombia to northern Mexico.

Recent U.S. court cases involving trans-Atlantic flights include:

— The Valencia-Arbelaez Organization, broken up by undercover U.S. agents after it bought a $2 million plane to run monthly flights between Venezuela and Guinea. The group claimed to have six aircraft already flying between South America and West Africa.

— A ring based in Colombia and Liberia, arrested after one of its planes was seized in May with two tons of cocaine as it prepared to leave Venezuela. Prosecutors say the group was planning to fly jets twice a month. One defendant claimed to manage five other aircraft making similar hauls.

— Three Sierra Leone men, accused of scouting out airstrips and arranging for a four-ton flight of cocaine from South America in March.

Two other recent cases have involved cocaine and cargo jets, though investigators have not revealed yet whether the flights were going to Africa:

— Francisco Gonzalez Uribe, a Colombian trafficker due to be sentenced this month. Gonzalez Uribe was recorded while trying to purchase large aircraft including a DC-8, a four-engine jet.

— Walid Makled-Garcia, who prosecutors say controlled airstrips in Venezuela used to launch drug flights. Prosecutors say Makled-Garcia was behind one of the biggest drug plane shipments in recent years: a DC-9 that landed in Mexico in 2006 with more than 12,300 pounds of cocaine on board.

All five cases are being prosecuted in a federal court in Manhattan.
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102 Responses to “Is it about time to remove Chavez in Venezuela, as we did Noriega in Panama?”
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  1. 1 | November 17, 2010 9:08 am

    Obama ain’t got the balls to do it, so the question is moot until we get a real leader as President. If and when that happens, though, old Chavez might want to watch his back…


  2. unspecial
    2 | November 17, 2010 9:12 am

    I think hard drugs should be provided free to persons that want drugs.
    The result should be filmed and broadcast as “Junkie Survivor”.


  3. 3 | November 17, 2010 9:19 am

    @ unspecial:

    The thing is, with good pharmaceutical grade drugs, junkies will live a long time. What kills junkies more than anything are the impurities and uncertain doses in street “quality” drugs. If drugs were legal, fewer people would OD.


  4. huckfunn
    4 | November 17, 2010 9:22 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Obama ain’t got the balls to do it, so the question is moot until we get a real leader as President. If and when that happens, though, old Chavez might want to watch his back…

    Time to send in Bad Bob


  5. unspecial
    5 | November 17, 2010 9:24 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    I hadn’t thought of that.
    I guess I was thinking about meth, when meth users get out of prison, thay seem to always go back to cooking, taking more young people with them. I thought if meth was free, they might self-destruct in place, without taking more with them.


  6. tanker on the horizon
    6 | November 17, 2010 9:26 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Well, that was Keith Richard’s strategy. Only use “good” illegal drugs, and don’t overindulge.


  7. 7 | November 17, 2010 9:29 am

    Tomohawk or Yamamoto him though, for the moment we don’t need to kill anymore American youth trying to right the world.

    Yeah, I know it’s illegal, but it would also help to start a ‘discussion’ with the left about the proper responsibilities of the Executive vis the health and saftey of Americans.

    I don’t need Federal healthcare but, I do need some assholes kilt for a more unfettered persuit of Life, Liberty, and Hapiness


  8. 8 | November 17, 2010 9:30 am

    @ tanker on the horizon:

    And summer in Switzerland at your spa of choice getting an oil and filter change


  9. 9 | November 17, 2010 9:30 am

    @ tanker on the horizon:

    I’m not saying it won’t take its toll, but it takes a long time to die on good drugs. In fact, the recreational drugs don’t harm you in some ways as bad as the non-recreational drugs. It is the acetiminiphine in percocet that eats up your liver, not the hydrocodone. Things like that really piss me off.


  10. tanker on the horizon
    10 | November 17, 2010 9:32 am

    @ Scott Madsen:

    Those oil changes make me shudder.


  11. 11 | November 17, 2010 9:33 am

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    I don’t need Federal healthcare but, I do need some assholes kilt for a more unfettered persuit of Life, Liberty, and Hapiness

    Amen. The Old Lady got the skinny on how much her insurance is going up because of ObamaCare, and it ain’t pretty. I haven’t heard on mine, but the insurance company is bitching about the drugs I am on, wanting additional paperwork from my doctor before they will authorize them. Thanks, Democrats! Hope the Devil fucks you with a barbed dick! For eternity…


  12. African Moondog
    12 | November 17, 2010 9:35 am

    Here is another aspect of the rogue airlines as provided by al-Reuters

    R

    euters) – In early 2008, an official at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security sent a report to his superiors detailing what he called “the most significant development in the criminal exploitation of aircraft since 9/11.”

    The document warned that a growing fleet of rogue jet aircraft was regularly crisscrossing the Atlantic Ocean. On one end of the air route, it said, are cocaine-producing areas in the Andes controlled by the leftist Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia. On the other are some of West Africa’s most unstable countries….

    The clandestine fleet has grown to include twin-engine turboprops, executive jets and retired Boeing 727s that are flying multi-ton loads of cocaine and possibly weapons to an area in Africa where factions of al Qaeda are believed to be facilitating the smuggling of drugs to Europe, the officials say.


  13. 13 | November 17, 2010 9:36 am

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  14. 14 | November 17, 2010 9:37 am

    @ African Moondog:

    Of course. The Mohammedans cut off people’s heads. Smuggling drugs is a step up for them. A good way to raise cash for the Jihad. Lovely, isn’t it?


  15. MikeA
    15 | November 17, 2010 9:39 am

    @ African Moondog:

    Why don’t we put a training carrier in the middle and give the young Navy pilots some practice. These are airliners so its easy for the first time nuggets…


  16. African Moondog
    16 | November 17, 2010 9:40 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ African Moondog:
    Of course. The Mohammedans cut off people’s heads. Smuggling drugs is a step up for them. A good way to raise cash for the Jihad. Lovely, isn’t it?

    It is not something new, the Arafish was doing it years ago.


  17. unspecial
    17 | November 17, 2010 9:42 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    They are number one bad boys. Lets negotiate with them.


  18. African Moondog
    18 | November 17, 2010 9:43 am

    @ MikeA:

    Good Question. Do you think that the current Admin the necessary quantity of cojones?


  19. Poteen
    19 | November 17, 2010 9:45 am

    @ huckfunn:
    The ORIGINAL Bad Bob the albino. LOL


  20. 20 | November 17, 2010 9:45 am

    @ unspecial:

    Hey, that’s Obama’s line! I’m surprised he hasn’t sent a crack team of negiotiators from the State Department todown to the Mexico border to find out how we can appease the drug cartels. Of course, that would actually be doing something about the border, even if it is a wrong thing. I think he thinks the cartels are like the monster under the bed, and if he just ignores them they will go away…


  21. 21 | November 17, 2010 9:46 am

    @ African Moondog:

    No.


  22. Philip_Daniel
    22 | November 17, 2010 9:46 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Of course. The Mohammedans cut off people’s heads. Smuggling drugs is a step up for them. A good way to raise cash for the Jihad. Lovely, isn’t it?

    The word Assassin derives from Hashashiyyin — a super-militant “heretical” Islamic sect founded by Hassan-i Sabbah, flourishing in the 12th century in the Near East, spreading terror against not only kuffar but also against those whom they condemned as murtaddeen. They would recruit people with promises of booty in this life or the hereafter, a promise derived directly from the Koran and Sunnah, but their unique twist was drugging their recruits into submission…

    Hashashiyyin means “smokers of hashish”.

    Islam has quite an…erm…distinguished heritage not just in regards to senseless massacre and brutal imperialism, but also in regards to drug use


  23. 23 | November 17, 2010 9:47 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Scott Madsen:

    The Colombian Army can easily remove Chavez. I say let them keep Venezuela as part of Greater Colombia with us getting oil discounts.

    US troops aren’t needed to invade Venezuela. We are broke and bleeding to death. Let someone else do our dirty work.


  24. unspecial
    24 | November 17, 2010 9:48 am

    @ African Moondog:
    He would give the cargo planes a fighter escort.


  25. Philip_Daniel
    25 | November 17, 2010 9:48 am

    @ Rodan:

    For what time should I schedule my upcoming post?


  26. 26 | November 17, 2010 9:49 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ unspecial:
    Hey, that’s Obama’s line! I’m surprised he hasn’t sent a crack team of negiotiators from the State Department todown to the Mexico border to find out how we can appease the drug cartels. Of course, that would actually be doing something about the border, even if it is a wrong thing. I think he thinks the cartels are like the monster under the bed, and if he just ignores them they will go away…

    In Colombia One of the Cartels flipped and members of them are part of the government now. We should have the Mexican governmnet negotiate with teh Cartels and find the most reasonable one.


  27. 27 | November 17, 2010 9:49 am

    Rodan wrote:

    The Colombian Army can easily remove Chavez. I say let them keep Venezuela as part of Greater Colombia with us getting oil discounts.

    That works for me. I’ve never really seen anything sanctified by the current system of International “Law” that sort of, kinda, forbids conquest except when China does it to Tibet.


  28. 28 | November 17, 2010 9:49 am

    @ Philip_Daniel:

    Put it in pending and we will schedule it. WHat time today will you be around?


  29. Philip_Daniel
    29 | November 17, 2010 9:49 am

    African Moondog wrote:

    the Arafish Yes-Sir Arab-Fat was doing it years ago.


  30. Philip_Daniel
    30 | November 17, 2010 9:50 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Philip_Daniel:
    Put it in pending and we will schedule it. WHat time today will you be around?

    After 1:30…


  31. unspecial
    31 | November 17, 2010 9:52 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    He thinks it’s our fault, we should apologise to the cartels and provide them with military surplus air transports.


  32. 32 | November 17, 2010 9:53 am

    @ Rodan:

    I remember when one of the Golden Triangle warlords offered to sell us his entire production of heroin fo rsomething like a billion dollars a year. When you look at all the variables, it really wasn’t a bad offer. He’d have probably taken half that. That was during Bush I, so there wasn’t even any consideration given to it. Me, I’d legalize and regulate the shit, and then exterminate anyone that tried to go outside the regulations. It is ultimately what will have to happen.


  33. 33 | November 17, 2010 9:53 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I agree, I believe in facts on teh ground. Heck I’m all for the US invading and annexing Cuba, Dominican Republic and Panama.


  34. African Moondog
    34 | November 17, 2010 9:54 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    That works for me. I’ve never really seen anything sanctified by the current system of International “Law” that sort of, kinda, forbids conquest except when China does it to Tibet.

    These days the Chinese are a tad more sophisticated.


  35. 35 | November 17, 2010 9:55 am

    More weird seemingly inexplicable military happening a week after the California missle plume

    http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2010/11/usaf-search-launched-for-overd.html


  36. 36 | November 17, 2010 9:56 am

    @ Philip_Daniel:

    Ok it will be scheduled for 8:30 this evening.


  37. 37 | November 17, 2010 9:57 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I agree, we have no choice.


  38. African Moondog
    38 | November 17, 2010 9:57 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Me, I’d legalize and regulate the shit, and then exterminate anyone that tried to go outside the regulations. It is ultimately what will have to happen.

    Isn’t that the way it worked about a century ago? We have to come up with a whole new game plan. The War on Drugs seems to have been won by the Drugs.


  39. Philip_Daniel
    39 | November 17, 2010 9:58 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Philip_Daniel:
    Ok it will be scheduled for 8:30 this evening.

    Sounds good.


  40. 40 | November 17, 2010 9:58 am

    @ African Moondog:

    That’s a smart move on China’s part. It sucks that China’s leaders seem to care more about the future of their country than Ours do. We could have been doing shit like that 20 years ago, and be importing our own oil, but no, that would be Imperialism, and Imperialism is bad. But not when China does it, of course.


  41. Philip_Daniel
    41 | November 17, 2010 9:59 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I agree, I believe in facts on teh ground. Heck I’m all for the US invading and annexing Cuba, Dominican Republic and Panama.

    You want us to be like the (intentionally-obscured) imperialist Shamkhalate of Kazi-Kumuk in the medieval Caucasus? Oh, wait, at least we don’t behead unbelievers…


  42. 42 | November 17, 2010 9:59 am

    @ Scott Madsen:

    It was a bird! No a plane! No, it wasn’t Superman…


  43. 43 | November 17, 2010 10:00 am

    @ Philip_Daniel:

    We could behead prisoners of war, though, if they are Mohammedans. Send a message, that would…


  44. 44 | November 17, 2010 10:02 am

    @ African Moondog:

    As long as demand is this high, someone will supply it. The barrier to entry is fairly low, and the rewards are high. If I didn’t have a morbid fear of incarceration, I’d be doing it myself, I suppose. I’m sure not going to get rich doing what I’m doing now…


  45. 45 | November 17, 2010 10:03 am

    @ Rodan:

    I was sixteen when Carter dumped the Canal and did a facepalm WTF at his strategic ineprtness masquarading as some kind of benevolence from strength as an example that all will follow.

    A sixteen year old had a greater grasp of geo political realities than that egotistical prick. I told my mother what a mistaken man he was, and the world couldn’t entertain such frivolities for at least another thousand years when the majority of the world may be on par spiritually with common intent and purposes, then be able to act with such trust and openess.

    She told me it was the right thing to do.

    Yeah, she voted for the Bamster


  46. 46 | November 17, 2010 10:09 am

    @ Scott Madsen:

    From what you’ve said of her, I bet she votes for him in 2012, too. He’s got a solid base of 35% of the populace who will vote for him no matter what. It sounds like your mother is firmly in that demographic.


  47. 47 | November 17, 2010 10:09 am

    @ Scott Madsen:

    Panama should of been part of the US.


  48. citizen_q
    48 | November 17, 2010 10:10 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    The Old Lady got the skinny on how much her insurance is going up because of ObamaCare, and it ain’t pretty. I haven’t heard on mine, but the insurance company is bitching about the drugs I am on, wanting additional paperwork from my doctor before they will authorize them. Thanks, Democrats! Hope the Devil fucks you with a barbed dick! For eternity…

    I have had the same issues. Somehow the argument that if my doctor did not think I needed the meds, she would not have prescribed them did not hold much water.

    These are the same folks who make me use mail order for maintenance meds that take over 2 weeks to get shipped. My last go-round with them was when I switched over and did not get the meds I was supposed to. When I finally called and asked where they were, they said that the transferred prescriptions expired so they did not honor the refill request.

    They send me so much unneeded junk mail most of cya nonsense, I asked why they could not tell me there was a problem rather than ignoring the request, its not like this was something I needed like medicine, no, wait, yes it was……

    Obamacare, medical care at the standard of service exemplified by the MVA.


  49. 49 | November 17, 2010 10:10 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Scott Madsen:
    From what you’ve said of her, I bet she votes for him in 2012, too. He’s got a solid base of 35% of the populace who will vote for him no matter what. It sounds like your mother is firmly in that demographic.

    I put that at 45%. No matter what he does, how bad the economy is, 45% will not abandon him.


  50. 50 | November 17, 2010 10:11 am

    @ Rodan:

    The canal zone was. I was disgusted when Carter gave it up, and I was 8. Bastard. And now we have another Bastard as President who wants to reduce America abroad and destroy America at home. God help us.


  51. 51 | November 17, 2010 10:16 am

    @ Rodan:

    I think it is a bit lower than that, but you may be right. I’ll take that. Assuming we run anybody reasonable, they should get 55% of the vote. That’ll do.


  52. 52 | November 17, 2010 10:20 am

    Philip_Daniel wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Iron Fist:
    I agree, I believe in facts on teh ground. Heck I’m all for the US invading and annexing Cuba, Dominican Republic and Panama.
    You want us to be like the (intentionally-obscured) imperialist Shamkhalate of Kazi-Kumuk in the medieval Caucasus? Oh, wait, at least we don’t behead unbelievers…

    Hey we have the show tonight, your thread will be at 2:00PM. Since you’ll be around after 1:30 it works out.


  53. 53 | November 17, 2010 10:22 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I think it is a bit lower than that, but you may be right. I’ll take that. Assuming we run anybody reasonable, they should get 55% of the vote. That’ll do.

    AGreed a good Conservative Republican who can actually be telegenic can get 52-55% against this clown.

    I read that Obama’s last minute campaigning and the Daily SHow rally helped the Dems prevent the loss of 15 House seats and even the Nevada and Colorado seats. So He can’t be underestimated. He can be beaten, but we have to pulvarize him.


  54. 54 | November 17, 2010 10:23 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Scott Madsen wrote:
    I don’t need Federal healthcare but, I do need some assholes kilt for a more unfettered persuit of Life, Liberty, and Hapiness
    Amen. The Old Lady got the skinny on how much her insurance is going up because of ObamaCare, and it ain’t pretty. I haven’t heard on mine, but the insurance company is bitching about the drugs I am on, wanting additional paperwork from my doctor before they will authorize them. Thanks, Democrats! Hope the Devil fucks you with a barbed dick! For eternity…

    Health insurance for self and husband takes roughly one-third of my earnings at work.


  55. 55 | November 17, 2010 10:23 am

    I just read a headline, then the article on Bristol Palin making it to the Final of Dancing with the stars. It is making liberal heads explode and the View scrunys are apoplectic about “Tea Partiers” stuffing the ballots to keep her in as they belive she can’t make it on merit….how effin ironic is that? It also seems that the judges have been very rude and condecending towards her. I’m guessing they are Hollywood lobs too.

    Now, I have never watched this show, and have never voted on any TV talent thing that I have seen, but in this case I am going to. If my vote sticks it up the left’s nose with a rubber hose regardless of Bristol’s talent, I will feel better for having gave them a dose of their own medicine in the only venue where it is ethical to do so, fantasyland, and not the real world of political elections where they ply their malfeasance to gain power over people’s lives.

    A bonus is that Jennifer Grey is in the finals as a ringer, has been snotty to Bristol (who is probably the least political person in the world) and I can’t stand her much to begin with.

    If anyone else is in, there it is. A chance to harmlessly tweek the shitbird smug elites of Hollywood.


  56. 56 | November 17, 2010 10:24 am

    Rodan wrote:

    So He can’t be underestimated. He can be beaten, but we have to pulvarize him.

    Absolutely. Obama is a snake, and we must crush his head. It is as I keep saying. Politics is War. War to the Knife, Knife to the Hilt. No Mercy. Anything less, and we can lose, no matter how great our candidate is.


  57. Philip_Daniel
    57 | November 17, 2010 10:26 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Philip_Daniel wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ Iron Fist:
    I agree, I believe in facts on teh ground. Heck I’m all for the US invading and annexing Cuba, Dominican Republic and Panama.
    You want us to be like the (intentionally-obscured) imperialist Shamkhalate of Kazi-Kumuk in the medieval Caucasus? Oh, wait, at least we don’t behead unbelievers…
    Hey we have the show tonight, your thread will be at 2:00PM. Since you’ll be around after 1:30 it works out.

    Oh, ok.


  58. 58 | November 17, 2010 10:26 am

    @ Scott Madsen:

    Yeah, I feel the same way. I watch it with the Old Lady as a love gift (and sometimes peace offering :evil: ). I keep thinking how that talent could be applied to martial arts. Be that as it may, yes, let’s win this bauble for Bristol if we can. Just to spite the Left, if for no other reason.


  59. chickadee
    59 | November 17, 2010 10:27 am

    zero isn’t going to stop his boyfriend from doing any criminal activity.

    http://worldmeets.us/images/obamachavez_handshake.big.gif


  60. 60 | November 17, 2010 10:28 am

    African Moondog wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    That works for me. I’ve never really seen anything sanctified by the current system of International “Law” that sort of, kinda, forbids conquest except when China does it to Tibet.
    These days the Chinese are a tad more sophisticated.

    If we are defeated (economically or militarily) by the Chinese, we will have only ourselves to blame. The Clinton Administration let them take our military secrets. For that I blame the Clintons, not the Chinese. Since then, we’ve outsourced our industry – and our expertise – to India, China, and other parts of the world. Although China is not yet our equals in technology, it is already a serious rival, not to mention a creditor. We should listen when THEY lecture US about the need for free market principles.


  61. 61 | November 17, 2010 10:29 am

    @ 1389AD:

    Mine alone as a rider on my wife’s policy was $900 hundred a month untill three years ago when she was given additional benefits by her employer.

    The only change we need is allowing insurers to build risk groups across state lines, tort reform, and enforcement of medicaide and medicare fraud along with minimal co-pays for welfare medicine so they stop showing up in the e-room every time little billybob and shanikra get a splinter or cough.


  62. 62 | November 17, 2010 10:32 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ Scott Madsen:
    From what you’ve said of her, I bet she votes for him in 2012, too. He’s got a solid base of 35% of the populace who will vote for him no matter what. It sounds like your mother is firmly in that demographic.
    I put that at 45%. No matter what he does, how bad the economy is, 45% will not abandon him.

    A substantial portion of that 45% are DEAD PEOPLE. They don’t have the option to abandon Obozo, no matter how much they would have wanted to. Never forget that Obozo got his start in Chicago, where the dead vote early and often.


  63. 63 | November 17, 2010 10:33 am

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    The only change we need is allowing insurers to build risk groups across state lines, tort reform, and enforcement of medicaide and medicare fraud along with minimal co-pays for welfare medicine so they stop showing up in the e-room every time little billybob and shanikra get a splinter or cough.

    That would about do it. From there the Market will take it. ObamaCare is intended to fuck things up so badly that the people scream for Socialized Medicine to save us. If we can’t get rid of this thing, it will eat up our healthcare system like a cancer.


  64. coldwarrior
    64 | November 17, 2010 10:36 am

    1389AD wrote:

    lthough China is not yet our equals in technology, it is already a serious rival, not to mention a creditor. We should listen when THEY lecture US about the need for free market principles.

    ok, lets listen to them, while they hold the yuan at a severe undervalue range on forex despite the complaints of the rest of the world so they can build an export based economy…yeah, thats real free market principals right there. the chinese are hypocrites on the issue of free markets, and up next in the chinese free market: price controls enforced by law (guns and the threat of violence)to prevent inflation!


  65. 65 | November 17, 2010 10:45 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Scott Madsen:
    From what you’ve said of her, I bet she votes for him in 2012, too. He’s got a solid base of 35% of the populace who will vote for him no matter what. It sounds like your mother is firmly in that demographic.

    Roosevelt Baby, English Lit major, Feminist, etc. etc. etc.


  66. 66 | November 17, 2010 10:45 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Obama Boom continues! I linked this in our linkviewer!

    Housing Starts Fall to ’09 Levels

    Starts on new homes slumped to the lowest in 1-1/2 years in October, mainly due to sharply reduced building of multiunit homes, according to a government report on Wednesday that underlined the strains facing the sector.

    The Commerce Department said overall construction starts plummeted 11.7% to a 519,000 annual rate from a downwardly revised 588,000 in September.

    It was the weakest starts rate since 477,000 in April 2009 when the economy was still struggling with the impact of the 2007-2008 financial crisis.


  67. 67 | November 17, 2010 10:49 am

    @ Rodan:

    Wonderful. I just want my house to close. Get that albatross from around my neck. It is all but sold, but I want to get it done and gone.


  68. 68 | November 17, 2010 10:49 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    They joined the big leagues, time to step up to the plate with an uncorked bat.


  69. Beeduwine
    69 | November 17, 2010 10:53 am

    A weaker dollar and cheaper drugs – man, next year’s vacation just keeps on getting better.


  70. coldwarrior
    70 | November 17, 2010 10:53 am

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    They joined the big leagues, time to step up to the plate with an uncorked bat.

    i swear this is what qe2 is about, well that and payback for the chinese attempted dump of bonds last year.


  71. 71 | November 17, 2010 10:54 am

    This will be entertaining:

    Kucinich officially seeks top oversight spot opposite Issa
    By Michael O’Brien – 11/17/10 09:28 AM ET

    Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) announced a bid Wednesday to lead Democrats on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

    Kucinich officially announced he would look to unseat Rep. Edolphus Towns (D-N.Y.), the committee’s outgoing chairman, to counter Rep. Darrell Issa (Calif.), the incoming GOP chairman of the committee.

    Kucinich said the committee needs a strong Democrat to oppose Issa, a figure who’s expected to use his new chairmanship to launch numerous and aggressive investigations of the Obama administration.

    Wow! Find the nuttiest moonbat and put him up as a shill for the administration? Works for me…


  72. coldwarrior
    72 | November 17, 2010 10:54 am

    Beeduwine wrote:

    A weaker dollar and cheaper drugs – man, next year’s vacation just keeps on getting better.

    just dont try to fly our of greece, portugal, or ireland…those three are next to collapse, oh, and try not to fly over france, i am sure that the air traffic controllers will be on strike.


  73. 73 | November 17, 2010 10:55 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Wonderful. I just want my house to close. Get that albatross from around my neck. It is all but sold, but I want to get it done and gone.

    I don’t blame you. I regret buying my townhouse 2 and half years ago.


  74. coldwarrior
    74 | November 17, 2010 10:57 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    oh that’s just perfect!


  75. Beeduwine
    75 | November 17, 2010 10:57 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Lufthansa via Frankfurt. The Germans got their shit together.


  76. 76 | November 17, 2010 10:59 am

    Beeduwine wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Lufthansa via Frankfurt. The Germans got their shit together.

    Their economy is booming.


  77. Beeduwine
    77 | November 17, 2010 11:02 am

    @ Rodan:

    Yeah, Merkel is doing alright. She is even talking about “judeo-christian values” now. Who would have thought. Is the CDU back?


  78. unspecial
    78 | November 17, 2010 11:04 am

    @ Scott Madsen:
    And make the government pay full price for medicare and medicaid, how can they promise more benefits without costing private insurance more?


  79. coldwarrior
    79 | November 17, 2010 11:05 am

    Beeduwine wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Lufthansa via Frankfurt. The Germans got their shit together.

    yeah, i used to fly out of there all the time, a french atc strike caused a trip back to pgh to be an 18 hour ordeal.


  80. 80 | November 17, 2010 11:05 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    It doesn’t make a lot of sense otherwise.

    Siezing the high ground as it were.


  81. coldwarrior
    81 | November 17, 2010 11:06 am

    Beeduwine wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Yeah, Merkel is doing alright. She is even talking about “judeo-christian values” now. Who would have thought. Is the CDU back?

    they cdu bavarian style is back.


  82. coldwarrior
    82 | November 17, 2010 11:07 am

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    It doesn’t make a lot of sense otherwise.
    Siezing the high ground as it were.

    round one already stomped the chinese stocks market and resulted in an announcement about price controls.

    let the games begin!


  83. 83 | November 17, 2010 11:07 am

    @ unspecial:

    I forgot about that carrying burden


  84. 84 | November 17, 2010 11:08 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    yep


  85. coldwarrior
    85 | November 17, 2010 11:10 am

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    It doesn’t make a lot of sense otherwise.
    Siezing the high ground as it were.


    The cabinet
    also pledged to stabilize natural gas prices, crack down on speculation in agricultural goods and ensure the supply of vegetables, grain, cooking oil and sugar. State television reported yesterday that the State Council was drafting measures to curb prices.

    the chinese are capitalist my ass. its time to stop playing this charade.


  86. unspecial
    86 | November 17, 2010 11:13 am

    @ Scott Madsen:
    Just the baby boomers retirement is liable to destroy healthcare.
    Our government hates us.


  87. BuddyG
    87 | November 17, 2010 11:13 am

    I’ve dealt with addicts and as bad as cocaine is (and it’s bad), heroin is worse.


  88. coldwarrior
    88 | November 17, 2010 11:15 am

    more chinese capitalism:

    HSBC Holdings Plc and Standard Chartered Plc, the biggest foreign underwriters of yuan bonds sold in Hong Kong, say they have never been busier even as China seeks to curb inflows of capital to limit appreciation.

    glorious capitalism!


  89. Macker
    89 | November 17, 2010 11:15 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Thanks, Democrats! Hope the Devil fucks you with a barbed dick! For eternity…

    What if he and his demons have anvil-shaped ones?


  90. RIX
    90 | November 17, 2010 11:15 am

    This is probably old news , but the TSA has announced that air travelers will not be able to decline full body scans or “enhanced”
    pat downs on religious grounds.
    You just know that Muslims will test the policy by refusing to
    see if they can get more submission. You just know it.
    Oh & good morning


  91. snork
    91 | November 17, 2010 11:23 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    the chinese are capitalist my ass. its time to stop playing this charade.

    It’s almost like some cheesy Star Trek episode where they’re following the example of the great leader Nick-sun.


  92. BuddyG
    92 | November 17, 2010 11:25 am

    Can of Coke


  93. 93 | November 17, 2010 11:31 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    heh, heh, about time they learn to herd figurative cats instead of killing them to keep the house calm.


  94. Buffalobob
    94 | November 17, 2010 11:34 am

    @ Rodan:
    But first we’ll have to invade CA,


  95. 95 | November 17, 2010 11:36 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    lthough China is not yet our equals in technology, it is already a serious rival, not to mention a creditor. We should listen when THEY lecture US about the need for free market principles.
    ok, lets listen to them, while they hold the yuan at a severe undervalue range on forex despite the complaints of the rest of the world so they can build an export based economy…yeah, thats real free market principals right there. the chinese are hypocrites on the issue of free markets, and up next in the chinese free market: price controls enforced by law (guns and the threat of violence)to prevent inflation!

    I would listen to what they say when they tell us that we cannot afford this health care boondoggle.

    However, when they use actual slave labor in factories, that has NOTHING to do with free market competition. We should not import stuff that is made by slave labor.


  96. BuddyG
    96 | November 17, 2010 11:36 am

    Creative Smuggling

    /Drug Bug


  97. 97 | November 17, 2010 11:36 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Scott Madsen wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    It doesn’t make a lot of sense otherwise.
    Siezing the high ground as it were.

    round one already stomped the chinese stocks market and resulted in an announcement about price controls.
    let the games begin!

    Every once in a while the Chinese arrogance gets the better of them and they over estimate their abilities. In the world of international high finances they are the amateurs. They are about to seriously get their clocks cleaned, but it is going to hurt a lot of other innocent countries as well.

    My guess is that part of the strategy they were counting on is the US not crashing the economies of their allies while defending the US economy. More importantly I think they were also counting on the worlds other nations to not get directly involved in an economic war between them and the US, or that if they did those other nation would side with them for purely financial reasons.

    Both of those assumption are tenuous at best and fly in the face of realities that exist but are not visible above the surface. Most of Europe and a significant portion of Asia have incredibly strong ties with the US that do not appear at surface level. China is about to discover this in a very brutal fashion.

    A very good example of this is Vietnam, once a military foe of the US and now one of the US’s strongest allies in South East Asia. Vietnam has no intention of allowing itself to once again become a vassal state of China.

    An odd thing happened in Vietnam, although the most bitter of enemies during the Vietnam War after decades of self reflection the Vietnamese came to the conclusion that while the Americans, in their opinion, had no business involving themselves in Vietnamese internal affairs, the Americans never the less were not only brilliant militarily but also conducted themselves with a remarkable degree of honor.

    The Chinese on the other hand, in Vietnamese opinion, not so much. In Asian culture honor is a damned significant issue. It appears that the question of honor was the tipping point in the Vietnamese peoples opinion between China and America. Cambodia, Laos and Thailand all line up pretty much behind Vietnam in the regard.

    They are not interested in becoming slaves of another Chinese dynasty. Their freedoms, such as they are, were hard won and not something they are ready or willing to surrender.

    Ancient Chinese xenophobia and racial supremacist attitudes are going to bite China in the ass big time as they discover that their habit of treating their vassal states as inferiors means that those with long histories of dealing with china are not interested in resuming those ancient subservient roles again.


  98. BuddyG
    98 | November 17, 2010 11:42 am

    Drop the Jeringa Chalupa


  99. 99 | November 17, 2010 11:50 am

    @ BuddyG:

    That loos like someone I saw this morning here in Pittsburgh running a stop sign, except they had Kielbasa hanging out of their mouth.


  100. 100 | November 17, 2010 11:51 am

    @ doriangrey:

    An economic war is a disaster. China and America will self destruct. We have too much debt and they have internal weaknesses. It’s a lose-lose.


  101. 101 | November 17, 2010 12:08 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    An economic war is a disaster. China and America will self destruct. We have too much debt and they have internal weaknesses. It’s a lose-lose.

    We had to much debt, China fucked up and is about suck that dept down a Chinese hole. China is about to get a world class lesson in swallowing.


  102. Alberta Oil Peon
    102 | November 17, 2010 1:39 pm

    @ African Moondog:
    Seems to me it would pretty easy to simply shoot them down over mid-Atlantic, but you’d have to be absolutely certain that you were shooting down an illicit flight. Accidentally shooting down a lawful airliner or air freighter from a neutral country would be extremely bad juju.

    I think you’d need to have spies on the ground at airports of departure, and get the markings and tail numbers of flights known to be transporting drugs, and then pass them to a carrier at sea, which could then task an interceptor to make visual contact, confirm, and then shoot down.


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