We’re all going to have to sacrifice for the greater good…
-Barack Obama
This would be really funny if it weren’t for the fact that so many supposedly informed people, including our president and those who surround him, may actually buy into ideas being proposed at the United Nations-sponsored Cancun climate conference, and will relish the means by which they could be put into place.
At the UK Telegraph today, environment correspondent Louise Gray feeds us the following headline and sub-headline:
Cancun climate change summit: scientists call for rationing in developed world
Global warming is now such a serious threat to mankind that climate change experts are calling for Second World War-style rationing in rich countries to bring down carbon emissions.
From all appearances, such rationing would last at least two decades, during which there would be, by design, no economic growth. Zero, zip, nada.
Tom Blumer gives us some highlights. Be sure to read it all.
Tags: Tom Blumer
Equality. Equal in misery.
As I have repeatedly said, the Left intend to dramatically lower the standard of living for those of us in the First World. Their ultimate goal appears to be to make the vast majority of us (those that surtvive the population reduction programs, at any rate) live in Third World penury, while they, the Elite, will of course live rich lives of luxury and indolence, free from want and even from need, as the vast underclass of semi-slaves suffers for their enjoyment. This would be a massive step in that direction. 20 years of no economic growth would have us looking fondly for the booming economic times of the Great Depression. Things are bad enough as it is, but the Leftist Elites want to make things ever so much worse.
@ m:
Not for the Elites. Just for the vast underclass. Part of this massive Leveling is the absolute elimination of the Middle Class. You can see some of this in the economic policies of the Obama Administration.
Globaloney. Perfect.
@ Iron Fist:
Oh no, really… all you have to do is start wearing a sweater!
That doesn’t really go with the “no economic development for decades” bullshit, but they think the world is dumb enough to fall for it.
And it seems it is.
Go and get USGS survey maps of all their estates now before they aren’t available, just sayin’.
@ Scott Madsen:
I’ll take “Places to Raid for Supplies” for $1000, Alex…
It isn’t about the environment,the economy or human rights. It is all about power and control. Those making the demands are to be exempt as they rule over the proles.
@ vagabond trader:
Yep.
Now put on a sweater! (unless you’re headed to the White House. I hear he likes it balmy)
anthropogenic global warming policy = taxes
taxes = coercive control over otherwise free actions
coercive control = the progressive dream society.
@ m:
Hey it worked during the Carter years. Er,well,not so much.
@ Iron Fist:
My list:
1) Tractor Supply
2) Sam’s Club
3) Lowe’s
@ coldwarrior:
Hey cw!
A little OT, but I was wondering about your thoughts on WPA’s conspiracy suit against UPMC and the Mad Marxist Mayor of Braddock.
and some pols are jsut too stupid to know when to quit:
The point was well made in a previous thread that man tends to thrive and progress in warm periods while, during cooler periods, the opposite is true. The science! on this has been settled, which can only mean that those who oppose warming, must also oppose the progress of man.
Bumr50 wrote:
from what i heard form peeps at wpa, the case is solid..highmark and upmc have colluded.
as for braddock’s mayor, i wish him luck, rankin and swissvale could use some cleaning as well.
@ coldwarrior:
Let them. California’s economy is already on the verge of collapse. When they do this, businesses will flee at an even faster rate. Just no Federal bailout. Not under any circumstances. California is not too big to fail.
@ Iron Fist:
we have the collapsing state economies/bail out thread up later this afternoon, so get ready and keep yer powder dry till then!
Why does nobody ask these globe-trotting redistributionists why if they are so all-fired concerned about carbon footprints why are they jetting off to conferences all over the world instead of doing tele-conferences?
I just can’t see what they could not accomplish with a tele-conference that would justify what must be a huge disparity in carbon footprint between being on-site and tele-conferencing.
That is if you believe in AGW, or that carbon emissions are a major contributing factor.
Who knows? I could come to like WikiLeaks:
Ignominous resignation in the works for the Wicked Witch of the West? It is hard not to take pleasure in such tidings, though a celebration may be premature. Obama isn’t know for making the sharpest decisions when he has to think on his feet. Still, I have to smile a little if Salon is getting on the Administration’s case for incompetance. Two more years of this, and the Democrats will run Sarah Palin for President…
@ coldwarrior:
B.C. was one of my first guesses for the Canadian provinces. Before reading the article I am going to say Ontario and Quebec are the other two.
The sweater thing is appropriate, since they’re trying to pull the wool over people’s eyes.
@ coldwarrior:
I was initially enthused about the young man (even with his “organizing” Harvard background), but have been extremely skeptical since viewing this.
I guess it’s the age-old “Are the ends worth the means?” question.
I used to deliver to E.T. every day via Braddock for my Dad, and it’s tempting to acquiesce to ANY change for the better.
@ PaladinPhil:
I WAS RIGHT!!!
/Ontario is currently being run by Liberals, and ALL the Quebec political parties are to the left.
None of this crap will ever fly, not in this country. Yeah, I’ll use the curly light bulbs (because they last longer) in some applications, I’ll use the recycle bin (even though I sometimes see the recycle bin being tossed into a big garbage truck), and I’ll try to conserve electricity (to save MYSELF money).
Americans enjoy our standard of living and we’re not about to curtail it voluntarily. Should these assholes somehow make energy prohibitively expensive in the name of AGW we will rebel against it. If they do it surreptitiously, we will demand answers, and we’ll get them – that “open society” cuts both ways. Americans will act in their self interests; thats the basis of capitalism. Self interests result in a better life for everyone; a basic fact that liberals and anti-capitalists have never been able to understand.
The more they push this, the less credibility they have. Yes, I foresee a day when we are no longer dependent on fossil fuels, but that day will come NOT because of global warming, it will come because it’s just good economics.
citizen_q wrote:
Oh, there are lots of things that they can’t accomplish with a teleconference. Exotic locations are necessary, because they are the precious jewels that will be destroyed by Global Warming! When they are in Bali or Cancun, they can look around them at the tropical paradise that will go away when the Seas rise and the water boils. If they were just in New York, London, and Madrid, well, the scenery is nice, but it is not the same. Also, they need to get away from the wives/husbands, and hook up with someone exotic. You can’t do that on a teleconference, let me assure you! So you see, it is worth some small damage to the environment for them to be able to carry out their important work (you didn’t really expect these new rules to apply to them, did you?)…
Judge refuses to ban Islamic sharia law in OK, siding with terror-linked CAIR, again
Iron Fist wrote:
I know what you mean. The shit hit the fan and it’s stinking up the administration, with an inordinate amount on Hillary. If she resigns as a result of this information, she’ll be hard pressed to make the case she can be president.
MacDuff wrote:
Nuclear energy, with breeder reactors, should be the wave of the future, but you can guarantee that the “environmentalists” will fight that (in America; it isn’t such a big deal if Iran has nuclear energy) tooth and nail. We have to crush them before we can move forward and get beyond fossil fuels, if we ever do. I just can’t see a Harley with a fuel-cell engine…
citizen_q wrote:
How dare you think reasonably? Since they can’t resist the travel bug to pontificate, why not hold this boondoggle in Siberia so you can showcase the balmy conditions that AGW has produced rather than a winter-destination beach spot? I truly love paying taxes so someone can get a free beach vacation out of their job…
@ m:
I knew that was coming when she put the injunction on. That is, de facto, the establishment of Islam as a State Religion. I wonder what the Supremes will say about that?
Crashnburn01 wrote:
Good! You’re going to like the next two years of the Obama Administration, then. Hell, Obama may veto it when the Republicans extend the Bush Tax Cuts next year. Won’t that be some shit?
@ Iron Fist:
I dunno, but to those that laugh and say this isn’t necessary…
m wrote:
Iron Fist wrote:
I think this law would have been more successful had it not mentioned “Saria Law” specifically.
@ m:
yeah, I’ve seen that. I think of it this way: if it wasn’t necessary, no one would bitch about it having passed. The only reason to complain is if you want Sahri’ia Law applied to the States. The fact that some out there want this is enough reason to pass a pre-emptive amendment like this. It is a simple logic problem, but the Left count on people not being able to do simple logic. That is why they don’t teach reasoning and critical thinking in high school. You’d think you’d start with basic logic in ninth grade and progress to more advanced logic throughout high school. If we did that, it would destroy the Democrat’s power base in a generation.
@ MacDuff:
No, this rode on the political biases of the Judge. Not mentioning Shari’ia specifically wouldn’t have hidden the intent of the law. Judges tend to resist anything that circumscribes judicial power, anyway. This will go to the Supreme Court, where I think that the State will be upheld. This Court is receptive to States’ Rights arguements. It’ll be the same with the gay marriage amendment in California. Nothing is set in stone until the Supreme Court rules on the matter.
Using public transport and freezing in your own home don’t constitute a worse lifestye? How stupid do they think we are?
Since public transport is far more expensive per passenger than cars are, how exactly are we supposed to afford dumping cars for buses and rail?
@ Iron Fist:
Having read through it, the judge seems to imply that a Mohammedan could raise Jihad as a defense when Charged with Terrorism or terrorism related offenses (think Holy Land Foundation), and the judge should have to consider Islamic law in his/her rulings. That is very disturbing, but makes it more likely that the SC will overturn it. That is a very difficult case to make in this legal environment.
@ Iron Fist:
If they use jihad as a defense, our laws should stop that without even considering sharia. If they consider sharia, they’ll justify jihad.
They call it a Dream Act, yet the thing is quite a horror.
Call your Senator and Congressman.
Just vote no.
http://www.firstgov.com
@ Bumr50:
Wow, he sure puts the useful in useful idiot.
What a tool.
@ randian:
Yeah and I guess those of us who live in the sticks are screwed. There isn’t a bus stop within 20 miles of my house. I guess I would have to bike to the bus stop and see if they’ll lemme toss the bike on top.
:-/
@ Bumr50:
what he is doing will work on the micro scale…i am sure he is getting tons of grants so tat it does.
eventually, economic reality will set in and braddock will be right back where it started and the grant underwriters will have set fire to their money,
@ m:
Yeah, if you consider Shari’ia as legitimate, then Mohammedans are commanded to wage Jihad and support Jihad. Mohammedan “charity” is by definition giving money for the support of Jihad. Holy Land would have won a directed acquittal if Shari’ia were given any weight whatsoever. So would the fucker in Portland that wanted to blow up the Christmas tree lighting. It is insane to think that Shari’ia can be given any weight in a court of law. Yet that is exactly what the plaintiffs in this case want.
@ m:
They won’t be happy until we are all Somalia.
@ Iron Fist:
Needless to say, I hope you are correct. My only point was that specifically mentioning “Sharia” opens up the whole discrimination trope. It would seem that it would have been sufficient to say that judges should rely on Federal, State, and Local laws exclusively when rendering decisions.
There would seem to be a certain amount of precident in this matter. Wasn’t the American Morman Church’s changing of their rules on polygamy a result of US laws? I don’t think there was a SCOTUS ruling, but clearly Morman “laws” did not trump civil ones.
MacDuff wrote:
Yes, that is correct. If Mohammedans are entitled to live under Shari’ia in the United States, then they would be entitled to polygamy but you and I would not. It is the de facto establishment of Islam, not as the official religion, but as the officially favored religion. I wouldn’t look for Fredom From Religion or any of the other groups who have traditionally (well, for the last 40 years) opposed any sighn that Christianity isn’t the Officially Despised religion in the United States to be making any kind of contribution on our side of this debate. That has always been aimed at denigrating Christianity and traditional morality, not actually defending themselves from a truly coercive State Religion.
JSF engine too big for regular transport at sea
By William H. McMichael – Staff writer
Posted : Monday Nov 29, 2010 21:14:55 EST
The naval variant of the military’s fighter jet of the future arrived at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Md., on Nov. 6, a development that means the Navy and its industry partners are satisfied that the jet can safely perform basic flight maneuvers and is ready to tackle more demanding tests.
Behind the scenes, however, the Navy is struggling to remedy a significant design oversight that poses a major potential hindrance to its ability to successfully deploy and maintain the F-35C Lightning II, the carrier-based variant of the joint strike fighter: Its powerful single engine, when packed for shipping, is too large to be transported to sea by normal means when replacements are required.
Oh yeah the idea that one plane would fit all needs was a great idea? And with Navy shortly approaching a Fighter shortage, ya gotta wonder who is running the show?
@ Nevergiveup:
Wow, that took skill! And Obama canned the F-22, so we are stuck. It’d take a decade to spin up a new fighter. Lovely.
Iron Fist wrote:
Well the F-22 is a separate issue. It’s an Air Force fighter and was never intended for the Navy.
@ Nevergiveup:
Yeah, but it’s engines might could be transported to an Aircraft Carrier. I don’t know. What a fuck-up. I can understand some things being missed, but being able to resupply an aircraft carrier with the engins for its planes isn’t one of them. Especially for the F-35C. I mean, WTF? That is a pretty huge issue.
The Senate rejected the ban on earmarks:
I want a list of the RINOs. That is the first draft of the list of people who need primary challengers in 2012 and 2016. I bet John McCain is on there, though. He no longer has to pretend to be a conservative. He’ll never run for re-election again, so he can let his inner Mao out to play…
m wrote:
One of the things that was most striking about the Wikileaks docs was the manner in which the Saudis play both sides of the fence; they want us to attack Iran, want to implant chips in Gitmo detainees, and seem to support the WoT, yet they fund al Qaeda. They’re the titular “capital of Islam”, yet they are deathly afraid of terrorism and Saudi Arabia is something of an armed camp constructed to protect themselves. As the Saudis play this game, Islamists are well aware of the Saudis duplicity and seethe at them almost as much as they do us.
Islam is anything but a united front and I think that an attempt to exploit these fissures are behind our past confusing (and much maligned) policy toward the Saudis.
Iron Fist wrote:
And I have a feeling he won’t. His unreliabilty as a conservative has always been tied to politics.
Iron Fist wrote:
But the F-22 is not designed to land on a Carrier. Carrier planes need a MUCH stronger undercararge.
Nevergiveup wrote:
But the F-35 was part of the rationale for canning the F-22.
snork wrote:
Yes because it is a “One Plane” for all, the Air Force will also be getting a variant that will substitute for the F-22. It is NOT the fighter the F-22 is, but the powers that be “hope” it will ok? The One Plane for all uses is a bullshit concept that has gotten us in to trouble in the past and will again
snork wrote:
There was never a genuine logical rational justification for eliminating the F-22, it was a purely political rational whose only genuine justification was to eliminate America’s air superiority.
doriangrey wrote:
Pretty much
Iron Fist wrote:
Bob Bennett of Utah; Thad Cochran of Mississippi, the senior Republican on the Appropriations Committee; Susan Collins of Maine; James Inhofe of Oklahoma; Lisa Murkowski of Alaska; Richard Lugar of Indiana; Richard C. Shelby of Alabama; and George V. Voinovich of Ohio.
@ Nevergiveup:
I don’t know the engineering of aircraft. What I am lamenting is that there isn’t anything even in the pipe to fill this sudden need. I guess the place to look is to re-engineer the engine so it can be broken into shippable pieces. I don’t know how doable that is, either, but something has to be done. Our carrier task forces are the principle means of force projection we have, especially into areas like the Yellow Sea and around Taiwan where any conflict with China would necessarily be fought. This doesn’t matter so much as long as we aren’t fighting a war, but damn! We didn’t need to gift the Chinese with an oppertunity like this.
@ Rancher:
Thanks! I am surprised McCain isn’t there as well. We’re getting six new Senators that can hopefully be relied on. Maybe they can bring this up for a vote again next year.
@ Iron Fist:
The immediate solution to our pending fighter gap in the Navy is to:
A) keep fixing and updating our present F-18 Super Hornets-pretty expensive
B) order more F-18 Super Hornets, which is being done grudgingly
doriangrey wrote:
I think somebody from Harvard Business School or some such place got carried away with the economy of scale notion. Sometimes that isn’t the only consideration.
This is also why the space shuttle was a dumb idea: it looks “smart” on paper, but doesn’t give you the flexibility that it’s advertised as giving. Sometimes the bright ideas featured on “Popular Science” aren’t all that bright.
Good morning. I think that what is going on in Cancun is analogous to a civil law suit seeking monetary damages (rationing)
for the offense of man made global warming.
The burden of proof should be on the accusers & they have not
proven their case. Actually the scandal at the U of East Anglia should
get it tossed.
And it certainly doesn’t make any sense to kill a project after you’re already sunk all the fixed costs into it. I don’t know who makes the F-35 v.s. the F-22, but I suspect that some politics was also a consideration.
NEW YORK (CBS/AP) – The WikiLeaks website says it’s under a forceful Internet-based attack, and content on the site was inaccessible to some users in the U.S. and Europe throughout the morning Tuesday.
The site, which just distributed a trove of U.S. diplomatic documents, said in a Twitter message on Tuesday morning that it’s under a “distributed denial of service attack,” a method commonly used by hackers to slow down or bring down sites.
“We are currently under a DDOS attack,” according to one tweet early Tuesday. Shortly after 9 a.m., another tweet was sent, saying, “DDOS attack now exceeding 10 Gigabits a second.”
RIX wrote:
That’s been China’s position going back prior to Copenhagen. They want to use a formula based on total emissions to date. Can’t say as I blame them for taking that position either, since the idea was foisted on them by western activists.
Senate rejects earmarks ban
@ coldwarrior:
British Columbia is like California, run by bloody moonbats. It’s fate was sealed in 1980, when I bailed out. ;>)
@ coldwarrior:
Way to close the barn door after the cattle and horses are running loose.
Senate passes Food Safety Bill–now the FDA can recall shit all on their own and issue absurd regulations and further fuck up the USA. G-D I hate Dems and Rhinos
Nevergiveup wrote:
Fortunately for us, the F-22 isn’t technically dead yet, their are a dozen senators both dem and rep who are fighting tooth and nail to keep it alive, and the final production date of the last already ordered and paid for F-22′s is in late 2013. So there is still a slim chance that if we can get rid of Zero and his leg humping toady Gates the F-22 can still be saved.
Nevergiveup wrote:
How do you expect them to keep track of all us piggies without marks on our ears?
So Billary had his own little global espionage network going on huh?It really does take a village.
Gee,if I were a conspiracy nutter it would seem these revelations might even rid the thug in chief of his meddlesome SoS.Does anyone think he is secretly pleased about any of this? 
busy busy day at work.
I am only able to surf in snatches today. I did see this at Jihad Watch, a new object of offense by our tolerant islamic invaders.
Austria: Man fined for offending Muslims by yodeling
Silly infidel! It is your existence as an unbeliever not your intentions that are insulting! /
doriangrey wrote:
Thanks. I was not sure when the last production date was. I wonder if that includes funds for the planes that have crashed? Yeah if we retake the White House in 2012 I am hoping they sustain the line.
@ citizen_q:
These scientists are just calling for rationing in the “developed world.”
Our economy is struggling right now & if that isn’t bad enough
Obama took an elbow./
This AGW charge has not been proven to contribute significantly
to any climate change.
Nevergiveup wrote:
No, it also does not cover replacement parts required for maintenance. That is just the expected end of line production date, when the last newly order F-22 is expected to roll off the assembly line. Even that date is subject to revision as various congressmen and senators continue to fight to increase budget allocations in an attempt to retain the original status of 240 operational F-22 air craft (that number was dropped to 186 but their are a dozen of so congressmen and senators trying to see that original number re-adopted)
vagabond trader wrote:
This Assange fellow may not be so bad after all. This latest batch of documents are rather amusing. I say this, of course, with tongue firmly implanted in cheek.
After all, ultimate determination as to whether ox-goring is good or bad rests with the ownership of the ox inquestion……
NEW YORK (CBS/AP) – The WikiLeaks website says it’s under a forceful Internet-based attack, and content on the site was inaccessible to some users in the U.S. and Europe throughout the morning Tuesday.
The site, which just distributed a trove of U.S. diplomatic documents, said in a Twitter message on Tuesday morning that it’s under a “distributed denial of service attack,” a method commonly used by hackers to slow down or bring down sites.
“We are currently under a DDOS attack,” according to one tweet early Tuesday. Shortly after 9 a.m., another tweet was sent, saying, “DDOS attack now exceeding 10 Gigabits a second.”
The site was under attack Sunday, but Tuesday’s attack appears to be more powerful. WikiLeaks said the malicious traffic was coming in at 10 gigabits per second, which would make it a relatively large effort.
The WikiLeaks site is hosted in Sweden and devoted to releasing anonymously submitted documents.
maybe if we start bringing down much os Sweden’s internet structure, they might consider shit canning Wikileaks? Ya Know, some motivation
@ RIX:
First of all, they aren’t “scientists” calling for action. They’re activists. Let’s get that straight right up front.
@ MacDuff:
Actually these leaks make President Bush and Israel look pretty good. Makes Obama look like an ass.
@ RIX:
Secondly, since “stimulus” didn’t stimulate anything, I’m sure there’s a certain contingent who think that they can do this, and sell this bug as a feature.
Seems to me, the last guy who tried to sell hopelessness to the American public got stomped by an actor. Particularly ironic coming from someone who ran on a platform of “hope”. Now we got no hope, and they can keep the change.
Dick Morris is claiming that this is just a contiuation of
Hillarys conduct when Clintons were in the White House.
He says that she had a data base of peoples credit card purchases
& frequent fler info etc.
She wanted that data in case she needed to blackmail,
“Does your wife know that you were in LA on such & such a date while
your mistress was in town?”
That may be, but the aricle does mention scientiats
Nevergiveup wrote:
Yes indeed. The next open press conference will be a feeding frenzy, uh, that is if there is one.
EPA Fraud: Chevy Volt, Nissan Leaf Actually Get Only 23, 25 MPG
@ RIX:
She spent so much time logging others, she forgot to keep an eye (or a leash) on her husband.
But they use the out that “Things would be worse without the stimulus”
Totally unproveable , but they state it as fact.
They use the same thing with Climate Change “Billions will die”
Alright, nobody would say that.
RIX wrote:
Yeah, that sounds like the “Chicago School of Management”. Don Corleone would be so proud.
MacDuff wrote:
The ox that got gored is the creditability of the United States State Department. Yes, Hillary Clinton’s career as a politician is now finished, but the damage goes far far beyond Hillary Clinton herself.
Remember, it isn’t Obama’s credibility that is taking a massively unparalleled hit (those leaks only prove that the rest of the world already knew he has no creditability), it is the creditability of the Office of the President of the United States of America.
Future occupants of that office will be hamstrung by the damage done by those leaks, which is undoubtedly why Obama intentionally reacted so incredibly slowly to them in the first place.
It is my personal opinion that Obama is complicit in those leaks because they create an incredible obstacle for future presidents in reversing the decline in American strength and stature in the world.
In other words, Obama refused to act in a timely manner because allowing those leaks to become public knowledge furthered his goal of diminishing America, which is and obvious always has been his primary goal as POTUS.
RIX wrote:
And you expect the press to get that right?
That’s a fact. But she was willing to destroy any woman that came forward, even if they were assualted by Clinton.
Anita Broderick & Kathleen Willey come to mind.
m wrote:
I’ve always figured that it’s the family business; he was the sweet talker and she was the enforcer. She didn’t care what he did as long as he maintained his trajectory to power.
A friggin’ tag team from hell.
Not really. I see the whole thing as a shakedown.
If we converted to a totally Green economy, I wonder what
group owns all of the patents?
@ MacDuff:
Standin’ stupid by her man
@ citizen_q:
Yodel anything but the Shahada and the Mohammedans seethe. Personally, I think he should turn his front lawn into a shooting gallery, then. Muzzies like the sound of rifle fire. It reminds them of their wedding day…
doriangrey wrote:
All good points.
Uh, you did see the part of my post that said “I say this, of course, with tongue firmly implanted in cheek”, didn’t you?
@ MacDuff:
Well said and my exact feelings.
MacDuff wrote:
Jimmah and the Weez?
MacDuff wrote:
Yup…
You can’t read The Roots of Obamas Rage by Denish D’Sousa or
Crimes Against Liberty by David Limbaugh & not conlude that it is a thugocracy in the White House
doriangrey wrote:
Perhaps this is why he is so slow to respond. [besides incompetence]
Iron Fist wrote:
Count on it. Also count on some Republicans trying to block it. These are not all RINOS, some just like taking bribes. Lisa Murkowski, the bitch that thumbed her nose at the Alaska GOP, is still ranking member on the Energy Committee; Richard Lugar of Indiana, the NYT’s new favorite maverick, supports the Dream Act, the New SALT treaty, and is against lawsuits trying to stop Obamacare. Of course these are both upstanding usually conservative Senators that shouldn’t be challenged because the most important thing in the world is to get a majority of R’s in the Senate.
@ snork:
You’ve got to love it! My gas guzzeling (preimium, no less) Harley gets better mileage than that. Damn, but who’s going to waste their funds on that? What sucks is that the USA will take the financial hitfor GM now that the Volt is toast. Fedzilla will probably buy the entire production run and use them to taxi illegal aliens through Arizona…
@ Iron Fist:
ululululululluluulululululuuuuullluuuuuuu
@ MacDuff:
With a following. It’s crazy.
@ RIX:
As a
womanhuman, I find that sickening.@ doriangrey:
Would not surprise me one bit.
Iron Fist wrote:
ROTFLMAO… Suddenly my 22 mpg BMW dont look so bad at all…
Obama pwns Billary
@ Iron Fist:
Dr. Kobus is making a very narrow point there, specifically that the EPA is being dishonest. But all else being equal, I would rather burn American coal than imported oil. Problem is, all else isn’t equal.
Iron Fist wrote:
I thought doing a goat did that.
@ doriangrey:
Good day everyone
@ doriangrey:
lol
Screw your 22…..it doesn’t get much worse than my 12 for the truck
snork wrote:
Now I’ve heard that if you don’t want to take eight hours to get a forty mile charge you need to spend a couple grand for new electrical outlets and circuit boxes. Assuming your old wiring is up to the load tasks.
Ahem.
@ Rancher:
That’s yet another issue. Ironically, the place where these would do the most good – high density cities – often don’t have appropriate parking spaces where you could locate the chargers. It takes a house in the burbs to make that possible.
snork wrote:
In short, Climategate wasnt treasonous and the NYT refused to publish the truth. The Slimes cant help themselves when it come to treasonous actions though, it’s in their liberal Marxist blood.
NoThreat2U wrote:
Well, there is my Vette, which gets around 12, on a good day, when I keep my foot out of it… Which is also why I dont drive it much any more…
snork wrote:
I’m shocked, shocked!
@ snork:
Idiots.
snork wrote:
Not to belabor the point, but the “Pentegon Papers” were physically stolen and they gleefully printed those……
doriangrey wrote:
All true. The only difference between the NYT and Pravda was that Pravda was honest about being the “Party Organ”.
@ doriangrey:
To hell with it….I’m trying to kill the planet
Smart? Or not so smart?
/electric smart cars?
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