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Geert Wilders on the Palestinian Refugee Issue

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Filed under Fatah, Gaza, Hamas, Israel, Palestinians at December 6th, 2010 - 2:00 pm

Gates of Vienna: Geert Wilders’ Speech in Tel Aviv

Originally posted Sunday, December 05, 2010. Reprinted with permission.

Geert Wilders in Tel Aviv
Below is the text of the speech given today in Tel Aviv by Geert Wilders. Update: Thanks to Brian of London for the photo.


Shalom chaveriem,

Let me start by saying that it is with great sadness that I share your grief over the deaths of more than 40 brave Israelis who lost their lives — many while trying to save others in the great fire near Haifa. My country, the Netherlands, is amongst other countries helping to put down this fire, which is threatening the lives and property of thousands of your compatriots. I offer my heartfelt condolences to the families of those who perished. My thoughts are with them.

Israel is an immense source of inspiration for me. When I came to your country for the first time as a teenager, I lived here for a year.

I am not ashamed to stand with Israel, but proud. I am grateful to Israel. I will always defend Israel. Your country is the cradle of Western civilization. We call it the Judeo-Christian civilization with good reason.

Israel is often being treated unfairly. The world looks at the plight of the Palestinians in refugee camps in Lebanon, Gaza, and other places, and many blame Israel. The UN claims that there are over 4.7 million Palestinian refugees, and many blame Israel. These voices say the Palestinians should be allowed to return to “Palestine.” But where is Palestine? Many say Israel must solve the problems of Palestine. But is Israel guilty of the plight of the Palestinian refugees?

My answer is “No.” The Arab leaders are to be blamed — and Islam is to be blamed. Let me first tell you why, and then I will tell you where Palestine can be found.

At the end of World War II, there were 50 million refugees. Today, all the refugee problems dating from before the 1950s have been solved. All, except one — the problem of the Palestinians.

Why did this problem not get solved? The reason is simple: Because the Arab countries did not allow it to get solved. And because Islam does not allow it to get solved.
In May 1948, the number of Jews in the Arab countries was estimated to be close to 1 million. Today, fewer than 8,000 Jews are left in the entire Arab world. In 1948, the Arab countries forced the Jews out and confiscated their properties. More Jews fled the Arab countries than Arabs fled Israel. Where are the Jewish refugee camps? There are none.

So, why are there refugee camps for Palestinians in areas surrounding Israel? Because the Palestinians were not welcomed in the neighboring Arab countries. There was no Arab solidarity; the refugees were forced into camps and slums, where many of their descendants still linger today.

Under international definitions the status of refugee or displaced person only applies to first generation refugees. However, the UN makes an exception for Palestinians. Descendants of Palestinian refugees are granted the same refugee status as their ancestors. Consequently, the number of so-called Palestinian refugees registered with the UN increased from 711,000 in 1950 to over 4.7 million in 2010. These refugees are being used as a demographic weapon against Israel.

Instead of blaming the inhospitable Arab regimes, many blame Israel.

My friends, the blame should be laid where it belongs: with the Arab world. The Jewish refugees built new lives for themselves. They did what millions of refugees have done in the course of history, including, in the 20th century, the Germans who had to leave Sudetenland and the lands east of the Oder and Neisse rivers, the Hungarians who fled Transsylvania, the Greeks who were ejected from the Aegean coast of Anatolia, the Hindus who fled the Punjab.

With each generation, the resentment of these refugees and their descendants slowly fades away. Time heals all wounds. Acceptance of the new situation is the norm.

Islam, however, conditions Muslims to hate Jews. It is a religious duty to do so. Israel must be destroyed because it is the homeland of the Jews.

Influential Islamic scholars, such as Muhammad Tantawi, the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar in Cairo, the most prestigious center of Muslim learning, call Jews “enemies of Allah.” Tantawi, who died last March, was generally considered a moderate by the Western media and policy makers. But how did this “moderate” address a delegation of Palestinian Muslims who visited him in 2002?

He urged them to intensify suicide attacks against Israelis, stating that every so-called “martyrdom operation” against — I quote — “any Israeli, including children, women, and teenagers, is a legitimate act according to [Islamic] religious law, and an Islamic commandment, until the people of Palestine regain their land.” — end of quote.

Nizar Qabbani, one of the most revered poets in the Arab world, praised the madness of those who are blinded by an ideology of hatred. In his poem Ode to the Intifada, he wrote: “O mad people of Gaza, A thousand greetings to the mad. The age of political reason has long departed. So teach us madness.”

Thát is the nature of the Islamic enemies confronting the Jews — sheer madness.

Israel, on the other hand, is a beacon of light; it is like a Hanukkah menorah whose lights have been kindled in a region that until 1948 was engulfed by darkness.

Friends, Israel is not to blame for the situation in the Middle East. The problem is Islam’s rejection of Israel’s right to exist. Only last month, Fatah concluded its convention in Ramallah by declaring its blatant refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

The problem is also our Western leaders’ refusal to understand that Israel is the West’s canary in the coalmine: If the Jews are denied the right to live in freedom and peace, soon we will all be denied this right. If the light of Israel is extinguished, we will all face darkness. If Israel falls, the West falls. That is why we are all Israel.

But as long as the West refuses to understand how the Palestinians are used as a weapon against Israel, it will not be able to see who is truly to blame; it will not be able to see that it is not Israel’s duty to provide a Palestinian state — for the simple reason that there already is a Palestinian state and that state is Jordan.
Indeed, my friends, Jordan is Palestine. Take a look at the map of this part of the world after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire following World War I. Both contemporary Israel and contemporary Jordan were part of the British Mandate of Palestine.

In 1922, the British partitioned Palestine into Cisjordan and Transjordan — the latter comprising 78 per cent of the territory of Palestine. The British handed that territory over to their ally, the Hashemite strongman Abdallah ibn Hussein. Abdallah was the son of the emir Hussein bin Ali, guardian of the Islamic holy city of Mecca. The Hashemites belong to the Quraish tribe — the tribe of Islam founder Muhammad. They are a foreign body in Palestine.

In 1946, Transjordan became an independent state under Hashemite rule. In November 1947, the United Nations proposed to partition the remaining 22 per cent of Palestine. The territory between the Jordan River and the sea was divided into a Jewish and an Arab part. The Jewish representatives accepted the UN partition plan, but the Arab representatives refused. In an attempt to “drive all the Jews into the sea,” they began the 1948 war — which they lost.

They took revenge, however, on the Jews in East Jerusalem and the rest of Cisjordan — the ancient provinces of Judea and Samaria — held by the Arab forces. This entire region was ethnically cleansed of all Jews. Even the names of Judea and Samaria were wiped off the map and replaced by the ridiculous term “West Bank.” A river bank of over 40 kilometers wide. I come from a country full of rivers, and there the river banks are only a few dozen meters wide.

Israel, including Judea and Samaria, has been the land of the Jews since time immemorial. Judea means Land of the Jews. Never in the history of the world has there been an autonomous state in the area that was not Jewish. The Diaspora of the Jews, which began after their defeat by the Romans in AD 70, did not lead to the departure of all the Jews from their ancient homeland. Jews had been living in the Jordan Valley for centuries until the Arab invaders drove them out in 1948, when the provinces of Judea and Samaria were occupied by the Hashemite Kingdom of Transjordan, which abbreviated its name to Jordan in 1950.

And until 1967, when Israel regained the ancient Jewish heartland of Judea and Samaria, no-one, not a single Islamic scholar or Western politician, ever demanded that there be an independent Palestinian state in the so-called West Bank.
Must Israel trade land for peace? Should it assign Judea and Samaria to another Palestinian state — a second one, next to Jordan? My friends, let me be very clear: The conflict in the Middle East is not a conflict over territory, but rather an ideological battle.

People are mistaken when they assume that giving up Judea and Samaria and East Jerusalem and letting the Palestinians have it, will end the conflict between Israel and the Arabs. In 2005, Israel sacrificed the settlements in Gaza for the sake of peace. Did it get peace?

On the contrary, because the conflict is essentially ideological, the situation worsened. Because the conflict is ideological, territorial concessions are counterproductive. Ideologies cannot be defeated by concessions. They are encouraged and emboldened by it.

Ideologies must be confronted with the iron will never to give in, “never, never, never, never — in nothing, great or small, large or petty.” That is the lesson which the world learned from Winston Churchill when he confronted the evil ideology of nazism.

This conflict here in the Middle East is not about land and borders, but about Islamic jihadism opposing Western liberty. From the moment that Israel was founded, the Arab leaders have rejected every partition plan and every initiative for a territorial settlement. The Islamic ideology simply does not accept the concept of a Jewish state. Neither Hamas nor Fatah are willing to recognize the right of the Jewish people to a state of their own in their historic homeland. No territorial concession on Israel’s part can ever change that.

Israel’s ideological enemies want to wipe Israel out as a nation. They simply deny the Jewish state the right to exist and to live in peace, dignity and liberty.

For the sake of its own survival and security, Israel needs defendable borders. A country that is only 15 kilometers wide is impossible to defend. That is the strategic reason why Jews need to settle Judea and Samaria.

Therefore, the Jewish towns and villages in Judea and Samaria are not an impediment to peace; they are an expression of the Jewish right to exist in this land. They are tiny outposts of freedom, defying ideological forces which deny not only Israel but the entire West the right to live in peace, dignity and liberty.

Let us never forget that Islam threatens not just Israel; Islam threatens the entire world. Without Judea and Samaria, Israel cannot protect Jerusalem. The future of the world depends on Jerusalem. If Jerusalem falls, Athens and Rome — and Paris, London and Washington — will be next.

Thus, Jerusalem is the main front protecting our common civilization. When the flag of Israel no longer flies over the walls of Jerusalem, the West will no longer be free.

However, a peaceful solution must also be found for the many Palestinians in the refugee camps in Lebanon, Gaza and elsewhere. Each year, hundreds of millions of euros and dollars are spent on the Palestinian refugees in international aid.

The financial assistance, however, did not provide the refugees a new home, a place to live and build a future for their children and grandchildren. It is obvious where this place should be. It should be Palestine, just as, after the Second World War, the obvious place for the German refugees from the East to go to, was Germany. Since Jordan is Palestine, it is the duty of the Jordanian government to welcome all Palestinian refugees who voluntarily want to settle there.

Until the late 1980s, Jordan’s Hashemite rulers did not deny that their country was Palestine. They said so on numerous occasions. In 1965, King Hussein said: “Those organizations which seek to differentiate between Palestinians and Jordanians are traitors.” As late as 1981, Hussein repeated — I quote — “Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan.”

In March 1971, The Palestine National Council, too, stated that — I quote — “what links Jordan to Palestine is a national bond […] formed, since time immemorial, by history and culture. The establishment of one political entity in Transjordan and another in Palestine is illegal.” — end of quote.

By the late 1970s, however, the Arab authorities began to differentiate between Jordanians and Palestinians. What was previously considered to be treason and illegality suddenly became the propaganda line.

In March 1977, PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein admitted in a candid interview in the Dutch newspaper Trouw: — I quote —

“Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian people’ to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot lay claim to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.” — end of quote.

In 1988, as the first Intifada raged, Jordan officially renounced any claim of sovereignty to the so-called West Bank. In recent years, the Jordanian authorities have stripped thousands of Palestinians of their Jordanian citizenship. They do so for two reasons.

First, because the alien Hashemite rulers fear that the Palestinians might one day take over their own country. And second, because stripping Palestinians of their Jordanian citizenship supports the falsehood that Jordan is not a part of Palestine. And that, consequently, the Palestinians must attack Israel if they want a place of their own.

By arbitrarily reducing thousands of their citizens to statelessness, the Jordanian authorities want to force the Palestinians to turn their aspirations towards the establishment of another Palestinian state in Judea and Samaria. This decision is a great injustice committed by the Hashemite rulers of Jordan — this foreign clan which the British installed.

I am not naïve. I am not blind to the possibility that if Jordan were to be ruled by the Palestinians, this might lead to political radicalization in Jordan. However, a continuation of the present situation will most certainly lead to radicalization. We need a paradigm shift. If we keep thinking along the same lines as we have done so far, no peaceful solution of the Palestinian problem is possible without endangering the existence of Israel and disrupting the social and economic fabric in Judea and Samaria. Resettling millions of Palestinians in these small provinces is simply impossible and is not going to happen.

To the skeptics, I say: What is the alternative? Leaving the present situation as it is? No, my friends, the world must recognize that there has been an independent Palestinian state since 1946, and it is the Kingdom of Jordan.

Allowing all Palestinians to voluntarily settle in Jordan is a better way towards peace than the current so-called two-states-approach (in reality a three-states-approach) propagated by the United Nations, the U.S. administration, and governing elites all over the world. We only want a democratic non-violent solution for the Palestinian problem. This requires that the Palestinian people should be given the right to voluntarily settle in Jordan and freely elect their own government in Amman. If the present Hashemite King is still as popular as today, he can remain in power. That is for the people of Palestine to decide in real democratic elections.

My friends, let us adopt a totally new approach. Let us acknowledge that Jordan is Palestine.

And to the Western world I say: Let us stand with Israel because the Jews have no other state, while the Palestinians already have Jordan. Let us stand with Israel because the history of our civilization began here, in this land, the homeland of the Jews. Let us stand with Israel because the Jewish state needs defendable borders to secure its own survival. Let us stand with Israel because it is the frontline in the battle for the survival of the West.

We must speak the truth. The truth that Jordan is Palestine, the truth that Samaria and Judea are part of Israel, the truth that Jerusalem may not fall, the truth that Israel is the only democracy in a dark and tyrannical region, the truth that Israel is the linchpin of the West.

Of course, I am just a foreign guest and should be modest. Israel is a democracy and I respect every decision which its people and government will make. But I am proud to be here and grateful for the opportunity to share my thoughts and beliefs with you.

Because it is here that our civilization is under attack as we speak. It is here that we, men and women of the West, must show our resolve to defend ourselves. It is here that Israel has lit the light of freedom and that Europeans and Americans must help the Israelis to keep that light shining in the darkness. For Israel’s sake and for the sake of all of us.

Toda raba… And shalom to all of you.


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195 Responses to “Geert Wilders on the Palestinian Refugee Issue”
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  1. Speranza
    1 | December 6, 2010 2:03 pm

    Argentina now seems to be going along with Brazil in recognizing “Palestine” within the 1967 borders. The thing is that those were ceasefire lines, not borders.


  2. 2 | December 6, 2010 2:04 pm

    So much for CJ and any other purveyors of libel who try to portray the PVV as “fascistic” or “neo-Nazi.”


  3. 3 | December 6, 2010 2:07 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Argentina now seems to be going along with Brazil in recognizing “Palestine” within the 1967 borders. The thing is that those were ceasefire lines, not borders.

    The current Leftist governments of Brazil and Argentina are into the 3rd World Liberation Ideology. They view Arabs as 3rd World brothers fighting colonialism. Strange stuff considering before they went Progressives, Argentina was actually a wealthy nation. These 2 nations probably got the green light from Obama. They are test cases.


  4. 4 | December 6, 2010 2:07 pm

    Why did this problem not get solved? The reason is simple: Because the Arab countries did not allow it to get solved. And because Islam does not allow it to get solved.

    This is 100% correct. Jordan is Palestine. It is what was left over when Trans-Jordan was divided at the end of WWII. There is really no reason for Israel not to have everything from the River to the Sea, and the Palestinians all of the remainder of Trans-Jordan (which is much bigger). Now, the Palestinians are trouble, and they do not work or do much of anything productive, but that is a problem for the Jordanians to solve. Leaving them were they are is inhumane, and letting them run wild in Israel is a recipe for disaster. Palestinians should live in Palestine, and that is what we call “Jordan” these days…


  5. 5 | December 6, 2010 2:08 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    So much for CJ and any other purveyors of libel who try to portray the PVV as “fascistic” or “neo-Nazi.”

    the PVV are Libertarian-Conservative.


  6. 6 | December 6, 2010 2:18 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    So much for CJ and any other purveyors of libel who try to portray the PVV as “fascistic” or “neo-Nazi.”
    the PVV are Libertarian-Conservative.

    And if anybody’s fascistic, it’d be CJ.

    But that’s a topic better explored on DoD. :mrgreen:

    BTW…I put a “Freedom Parties” section in the blogroll on 1389 Blog, featuring the PVV, Vlaams Belang, the UKIP, the EDL, and others. Some sites are in languages other than English, of course.


  7. MikeA
    7 | December 6, 2010 2:22 pm

    Its going, going, gone….

    Geert hits it out of the park with this one. Wonder if the MSFM will pick this up and play it. Always wondered too why the Paleos Black September movement always attacjed Israel but not Jordan which was responsible for the Black September killings. Oh yeah, I am trying to bring reason and logic to this problem. Silly me…


  8. 8 | December 6, 2010 2:26 pm

    @ MikeA:

    You are using logic. Logic also tells us that Mohammed was a madman and a pedophile. Therefore, logic is haram, and may not be used by devout Mohammedans. This also explains the Obama Administration’s response to the November Elections…

    :P


  9. 9 | December 6, 2010 2:27 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    I support any Anti-Islamic cause.


  10. mjazz
    10 | December 6, 2010 2:32 pm

    If Israel stripped it’s arabs of their citizenship, the world would go crazy. Jordan does it and there is nothing. Israeli arabs are palestinians also, it’s just a matter of semantics. But what would stop “palestinians” in Jordan from voting in another Hamas?


  11. Nevergiveup
    11 | December 6, 2010 2:37 pm

    mjazz wrote:

    But what would stop “palestinians” in Jordan from voting in another Hamas?

    The “Kings” people count the ballots in Jordan


  12. rain of lead
    12 | December 6, 2010 2:37 pm

    related

    Hundreds of millions of Muslims support al Qaeda!)
    A new Pew poll of Middle Eastern Muslims shows strong support for Sharia Law


  13. mjazz
    13 | December 6, 2010 2:40 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    This requires that the Palestinian people should be given the right to voluntarily settle in Jordan and freely elect their own government in Amman.

    Wilder said

    This requires that the Palestinian people should be given the right to voluntarily settle in Jordan and freely elect their own government in Amman.


  14. 14 | December 6, 2010 2:40 pm

    mjazz wrote:

    But what would stop “palestinians” in Jordan from voting in another Hamas?

    Absolutely nothing. I don’t think that the Palestinians are worthy of representative democracy. A people has to have a certain level of maturity before representative democracy becomes a viable model. America is barely there. We’ll seee over the next few elections if even we can pull it off. We were capable of it at one time, but the public school system has so dumbed down the populace that we may not make it. In any event, Mohammedans can’t be considered ready for it. Not as long as they are Mohammedans. Convert to Christianity, Zoroastrianism, or just about anything other than the Aztec religion (about the only way the Mohammedans could get worse), and the Arab people might be capable of self-government, for example. It is the Mohammedanism that is the problem.


  15. mjazz
    15 | December 6, 2010 2:41 pm

    screwed that up


  16. Nevergiveup
    16 | December 6, 2010 2:42 pm

    mjazz wrote:

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    This requires that the Palestinian people should be given the right to voluntarily settle in Jordan and freely elect their own government in Amman.

    Wilder said
    This requires that the Palestinian people should be given the right to voluntarily settle in Jordan and freely elect their own government in Amman.

    And?


  17. unspecial
    17 | December 6, 2010 2:42 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    I support any Anti-Islamic cause.

    You would!
    It’s that kind of knee jerk sanity that has kept islam from taking over the world up to this point.


  18. MikeA
    18 | December 6, 2010 2:42 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    Color me surprised on that one. Who would have thought that the muzzies want sharia law and couldn’t care less about human rights. But don’t worry, according to the MSFM, the muzzies completely respect those rights and only a very small minority of them take the religion out of context.


  19. 19 | December 6, 2010 2:42 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    mjazz wrote:
    But what would stop “palestinians” in Jordan from voting in another Hamas?
    Absolutely nothing. I don’t think that the Palestinians are worthy of representative democracy. A people has to have a certain level of maturity before representative democracy becomes a viable model. America is barely there. We’ll seee over the next few elections if even we can pull it off. We were capable of it at one time, but the public school system has so dumbed down the populace that we may not make it. In any event, Mohammedans can’t be considered ready for it. Not as long as they are Mohammedans. Convert to Christianity, Zoroastrianism, or just about anything other than the Aztec religion (about the only way the Mohammedans could get worse), and the Arab people might be capable of self-government, for example. It is the Mohammedanism that is the problem.

    No Muslim country is, or will ever be, fit to govern itself.


  20. unspecial
    20 | December 6, 2010 2:43 pm

    @ mjazz:
    Sarin and mustard gas.


  21. 21 | December 6, 2010 2:43 pm

    unspecial wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ 1389AD:
    I support any Anti-Islamic cause.
    You would!
    It’s that kind of knee jerk sanity that has kept islam from taking over the world up to this point.

    Knee-jerk sanity…gotta love it!


  22. 22 | December 6, 2010 2:43 pm

    This is good:

    With new leadership PAC, Rep. Chaffetz has Sen. Orrin Hatch in his sights
    By Shane D’Aprile -- 12/06/10 12:56 PM ET

    Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) has formed a new leadership PAC to funnel campaign money to fellow Republicans, upping his political profile as he contemplates a primary challenge to Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah).

    Named BudgetHawks.com, Chaffetz said the PAC came together in the week after the midterm elections and that he intends to ramp up fundraising activities early next year.

    “Congress is a team sport, and I want to do everything I can to help my fellow Republicans,” Chaffetz told the Ballot Box. “I was actually amazed that BudgetHawks.com was available.”

    Chaffetz said he intends to prioritize candidates “who have shown a commitment to cutting the budget deficit.”

    As for a primary challenge to Hatch, the congressman said he’s thinking about it and will make a decision sometime next year.

    “He’s a good senator, he’s a conservative senator,” Chaffetz said of Hatch. “I still might run against him.”

    While Chaffetz didn’t point to any specific policy positions espoused by Hatch that have him weighing a primary challenge, he did say it might simply be time to turn the page.

    I’m not a Hatch fan, so I’d like to see this. Besides, as the congressman points out, dude will have been in the Senate 42 years if re-elected. Time for some new blood. Some blood that doesn’t consider collegialism to be next to godliness, one would hope…


  23. mjazz
    23 | December 6, 2010 2:43 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    It’s not the magic solution they make it out to be. It’s like giving grade school kids the right to vote on how to run the school. They’d ban the kids they didn’t like and play video games all day.


  24. NoThreat2U
    24 | December 6, 2010 2:44 pm

    EU Blames Israel for Waste of Aid to PA …

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132247


  25. mjazz
    25 | December 6, 2010 2:45 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Wilders said give them the vote.
    I said they’d vote in Hamas. kapeesh?


  26. 26 | December 6, 2010 2:46 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    mjazz wrote:
    Nevergiveup wrote:
    This requires that the Palestinian people should be given the right to voluntarily settle in Jordan and freely elect their own government in Amman.
    Wilder said
    This requires that the Palestinian people should be given the right to voluntarily settle in Jordan and freely elect their own government in Amman.
    And?

    What I care about is getting the Muslims out of Israel and the “occupied” territories so that they will have a much more difficult time killing Jews.


  27. 27 | December 6, 2010 2:47 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Get rid of the Mohammedanism and they might be. Decades ago I knew a Palestinian girl who was Christian, and she wasn’t crazy. That said, there was an undercurrent of anti-Israeli sentiment to her viewpoint that was somewhat troubling. It wasn’t so much what she said as how she said it that raised my hackles. Of course, she may have changed her opinion now that the PA has religiously cleansed Palestinian Christians from the PA areas (and God knows what Hamas has done with theirs)…


  28. Nevergiveup
    28 | December 6, 2010 2:47 pm

    mjazz wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Wilders said give them the vote.
    I said they’d vote in Hamas. kapeesh?

    Give who the vote?


  29. 29 | December 6, 2010 2:48 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    EU Blames Israel for Waste of Aid to PA …
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132247

    Any aid to PA is a waste, at best.

    At worst, it translates into weaponry that is used against non-Muslims, mostly Jews.


  30. 30 | December 6, 2010 2:48 pm

    @ mjazz:

    Oh, I agree. More like giving prisoners in prison the right to elect their own warden and guards, given the predilections of the Palis. Not a good Idea :idea:


  31. unspecial
    31 | December 6, 2010 2:49 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    Liberals need to experience the clarity of truth.
    Hit them in the head with a hammer every day and say. “See how that hurts every time I hit You? There is no relative truth about this hammer, it hurts every time.”


  32. Fritz Katz
    32 | December 6, 2010 2:50 pm

    Update on the issue earlier this year when Glenn Beck called Geert Wilders a “fascist” on his TV show — In the 2nd hour of his radio show Friday, Glenn acknowledged that he said something like that, but he didn’t quite apologize or say that it was a false accusation.

    Glenn said that it was the leftists who were stomping on Geerts freedom of speech. Glenn also called Geert a “brave man”.

    I’ll post a link to the audio clip later in this thread.


  33. 33 | December 6, 2010 2:53 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ mjazz:
    Oh, I agree. More like giving prisoners in prison the right to elect their own warden and guards, given the predilections of the Palis. Not a good Idea …

    I just want to get them out of Israel. That way, it will be less easy to use them as a political football, and their ordnance and suicide bombers will have much further to go to reach Israeli villages and towns.

    Israel will not have to support them any more.

    The failures of their society and their world view will be their own; it will be harder for them to keep blaming Israel.

    And if they keep misbehaving, then Israel can deal with them accordingly.


  34. 34 | December 6, 2010 2:53 pm

    @ Fritz Katz:

    Wilders is pretty clearly not a fascist. That accusation gets thrown around with way too much abandon. I wouldn’t even call Obama a fascist. Authoritarian socialist, yes, he is that, but not a fascist. OTOH, Bill Clinton often quoted Mussolini on individual rights without attribution. It was a paraphrase, but it was endimic in his administration to not respect the rights of individuals.


  35. MikeA
    35 | December 6, 2010 2:53 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    How about getting them off the planet. Makes it much harder to get the Jews then….


  36. mjazz
    36 | December 6, 2010 2:54 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    It’s strange, but even the palestinian Christians are anti-Israel.
    There’s a Nazareth website where I have seen the Messianic Jews and palestinian Christians arguing about the whole situation over there.


  37. rain of lead
    37 | December 6, 2010 2:54 pm

    hey fist!
    lookie what I found

    Pushing a Right to Bear Arms, the Sharp Kind
    from the New York Times no less, whodda thunk it?

    In fact, knife advocates contend that the Second Amendment applies to knives as well as guns. They focus their argument elsewhere, though, emphasizing that knives fill so many beneficial roles, from carving Thanksgiving turkeys to whittling, that they do not deserve the bad name they often get.


  38. mjazz
    38 | December 6, 2010 2:55 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    The plaestinians in Jordan.


  39. 39 | December 6, 2010 2:55 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    That works for me. There is no making “Peace” with them. All they recognize is force. The only reason they haven’t exterminated every last Israeli is that they lack the power to do so. That isn’t a foundation for “mutual respect” and commonality…


  40. Nevergiveup
    40 | December 6, 2010 2:57 pm

    mjazz wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    The plaestinians in Jordan.

    The King ain’t never gonna give them the right to overthrow him. It’s good to be the King.


  41. 41 | December 6, 2010 2:58 pm

    MikeA wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    How about getting them off the planet. Makes it much harder to get the Jews then….

    You’ll get no argument from me on that. But any public figure who suggests that Israel deal appropriately with its sworn enemies will immediately be silenced with the “Milosevic treatment.”

    Let me make it clear to the lurkers here that Milosevic never even suggested dealing with Serbia’s Muslim enemies in that way. Nor did he make any effort to expel them. I merely point out that he was imprisoned, and died for lack of medical care, after being accused of such.


  42. mjazz
    42 | December 6, 2010 2:58 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    The palestinians want their future state to be judenrein, yet if Israel said they wanted Israel free of muslims, the world wopuld go berserk. They have to stop giving these people a free pass and eliminate the double standard.


  43. 43 | December 6, 2010 2:59 pm

    GTG for now… see y’all later!


  44. rain of lead
    44 | December 6, 2010 2:59 pm

    things that make you go uuhhhh……..

    Radical Jihadis Plan To Surgically Implant Bombs

    Despite President Obama’s efforts not to antagonize our enemy by naming them, the Radical Fundamentalist Muslims now intend to surgically implant bombs in homicidal suicide maniacs. The gel or liquid bomb implanted within the body cavity is nearly impossible to detect. Women with breast implants are a perfect example of the technology required and it has been done for decades.

    Recently a surgeon volunteered his services to surgically implant bombs on an Al Qaeda website

    In November, John Pistole, Transportation Security Administration chief, in a characteristic declaration of brilliance, declared that his agency didn’t think it was necessary to do cavity checks because secondary screening procedures can find fuses and detonators, which are always outside the body.

    “You have to have some external device to cause that initiation,” he said. “That’s what the advanced imaging technology machine will pick up: any anomaly outside of the body.”

    Have they ever considered internal timers with internal detonation all embedded within the body.

    Muslim Doctors have shown a willingness to participate in the murder and mayhem among the Muslim Terrorists. In 2010, a Jordanian doctor, Abu Dujana al-Khorsani, killed seven CIA officers in a suicide bombing in Afghanistan. Al Qeada’s #2 man is Ayman al-Zawahiri, an Egyptian born doctor. The same one who called President Obama the “House Negro”.

    Cocaine smugglers have been using people, termed ‘mules’, to travel on airliners after ingesting condoms filled with contraband for decades: it is only a matter of time before America realizes it actually need professionals in charge of security and not political hacks.


  45. 45 | December 6, 2010 3:00 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    Cool! Yeah, if we get a more favorable concealed carry law next yearr, I’m going to contact Stacey Campfield and push on the knife issue. If I can carry a gun without a license (oh, I hope; Haslum has said he’ll sign it if they’ll pass it. We’re going to see if the GOP is really pro-Second Amendment next year), why not a good knife? I’m much more skilled with a knife. Of course, I could carry one breaking the law, but I try and obey the law where I can. Helps keep me out of prison which is, as convicted felon Martha Stewart likes to say, a good thing :mrgreen:


  46. unspecial
    46 | December 6, 2010 3:01 pm

    The situation with Israel is pretty simple. The muslims aren’t even arguing thier true objections.
    #1. it’s Dar al islam
    #2. sons of apes and pigs.
    I wonder why truthers can’t grasp much simpler conspiracy theories.


  47. rain of lead
    47 | December 6, 2010 3:03 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    shit, nobody send this to the TSA


  48. mjazz
    48 | December 6, 2010 3:04 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    I think the country is 75% palestinian. Back in the day they did offer Arafat some kind of compromise role in the governemnt. It might have even been vice president, I’d have to look it up.


  49. BuddyG
    49 | December 6, 2010 3:06 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    Recently a surgeon volunteered his services to surgically implant bombs on an Al Qaeda website

    That is depraved.


  50. 50 | December 6, 2010 3:07 pm

    @ mjazz:

    Yeah, and he tried to take over. That is one reason nobody, and I mean nobody, trusts the Palestinians. A viler den of cut-throats and thieves you’ve never seen…


  51. Nevergiveup
    51 | December 6, 2010 3:07 pm

    mjazz wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    I think the country is 75% palestinian. Back in the day they did offer Arafat some kind of compromise role in the governemnt. It might have even been vice president, I’d have to look it up.

    Jordan? Offered Arafat something? Other than a jail cell or a bullet I doubt it. Remember “Black September”?


  52. rain of lead
    52 | December 6, 2010 3:08 pm

    @ BuddyG:

    no, just the next logical step


  53. MikeA
    53 | December 6, 2010 3:12 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    hey , I never said to kill them, just send them to their own planet (or similar moon, I hear Titan is nice this time of year…) where thay can do no harm. Its no my fault if they can’t breathe once they get there….


  54. BuddyG
    54 | December 6, 2010 3:12 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    Why not put their efforts into something productive? Computer chips, cell phones, medicine, whatever. Make money. Be happy. And stop with all the death & terror BS. WTF is wrong with these people?


  55. 56 | December 6, 2010 3:15 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    I’ve been expecting it. After all, the implaneted person doesn’t have to live a long life with a block of semtex in his guts. Just heal up enough to get through a boarding gate. The detonater could be bluetooth…


  56. MikeA
    57 | December 6, 2010 3:16 pm

    @ BuddyG:

    In a word… islam… It has become death, the destroyer of worlds.


  57. snork
    58 | December 6, 2010 3:17 pm

    BuddyG wrote:

    Why not put their efforts into something productive? Computer chips, cell phones, medicine, whatever. Make money. Be happy. And stop with all the death & terror BS. WTF is wrong with these people?

    Seems like our own progs also have a problem with being productive and prosperous and happy. Islamonuts aren’t any crazier than our own progressive nuts. They’re just willing to blow themselves up over it is all.


  58. Nevergiveup
    59 | December 6, 2010 3:18 pm

    mjazz wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    King Hussein of Jordan was prepared to make Yasser Arafat, the Palestinian leader, his deputy prime minister, according to newly released secret documents.

    I don’t believe that for a minute. King Hussein wasn’t that stupid or suicidal.


  59. unspecial
    60 | December 6, 2010 3:18 pm

    @ BuddyG:
    islam, its like that virus in 28 days


  60. 61 | December 6, 2010 3:21 pm

    BuddyG wrote:

    @ rain of lead:
    Why not put their efforts into something productive? Computer chips, cell phones, medicine, whatever. Make money. Be happy. And stop with all the death & terror BS. WTF is wrong with these people?

    They’re Muslim and that, in as of itself, seems to have retarded any type of socioeconomic development for some 700 years now. People, surrounded by oil wealth, have not even been able to muster the wherewithall to manufacture a friggin’ paperclip.


  61. Speranza
    62 | December 6, 2010 3:22 pm

    Well Done: Christine O’Donell’s Campaing Leaves $1 million Unspent
    Where’s the $15 I sent that ditz????


  62. NoThreat2U
    63 | December 6, 2010 3:24 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Quit being mean.


  63. Nevergiveup
    64 | December 6, 2010 3:24 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Well Done: Christine O’Donell’s Campaing Leaves $1 million Unspent
    Where’s the $15 I sent that ditz????

    Well it probably did not go to buying a vibrator since she is against masturbation?


  64. 65 | December 6, 2010 3:25 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Hell, they can’t even manufacture their own AK 47s. Egypt does (and they are crappy ones), but the rest of the Middle East buys them from Eastern Europe and China. How pathetic is that? Oh, there are some hand-made weapons in Pakistan and Afghanistan, but that isn’t really manufacturing. And they aren’t exactly high-quality, from what I’ve heard. Not that the Muzz care…


  65. 66 | December 6, 2010 3:26 pm

    mjazz wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    King Hussein of Jordan was prepared to make Yasser Arafat, the Palestinian leader, his deputy prime minister, according to newly released secret documents.

    It sounds more like Hussein was buying him off to protect his own country from the Palestinians:

    King Hussein feared the break-up of his kingdom, with territory on both sides of the Jordan river being ceded to the Palestinians, and sought to woo Arafat in 1974, according to files released yesterday at the National Archives.


  66. BuddyG
    67 | December 6, 2010 3:27 pm

    @ MikeA:

    @ snork:

    @ unspecial:

    Yes islam is the problem, but I still wonder about individual muslims.
    Don’t they ever wonder about what they’re doing and self-reflect?

    16 years ago I went through a nasty divorce and was very angry for about a year. Eventually I became weary of anger and decided to have a life. Now I’m re-married with two l’il boys.

    So, I can’t help but wonder if any muslims on a personal level get weary of anger.


  67. 68 | December 6, 2010 3:28 pm

    @ snork:

    So was that Green Freak a few months ago. I can’t even remember his name. This nut. It took longer than I expected, but we have a Leftist suicide-bomber. Not a very skilled one, but they never are…


  68. NoThreat2U
    69 | December 6, 2010 3:30 pm

    @ BuddyG:
    No, because they really do believe in the 72 virgins. They are working toward a goal.


  69. unspecial
    70 | December 6, 2010 3:30 pm

    @ BuddyG:
    Probably, but then they confide in someone and get killed.


  70. 71 | December 6, 2010 3:30 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    @ Speranza:

    It’s her Vegas relocation fund so she can get her dream job as a cocktail waitress At the Mandalay bay!


  71. Nevergiveup
    72 | December 6, 2010 3:31 pm

    U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton tried to speak with Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki twice on Friday, pursuing him both inside and outside the gala dinner here at the Ritz Carlton in Manama. But Mottaki deliberately avoided contact with her both times.

    “If he comes to the dinner, I’ll probably see him. But he doesn’t talk to me,” Clinton told The Cable in our exclusive interview just hours before the event.

    Turns out she was right. Everybody at the opening dinner for the 2010 IISS Manama Security Dialogue, where Clinton gave the speech, was watching to see if she and Mottaki would trade words. After all, they were seated only five seats apart. Clinton went out on a limb twice to try to make it happen, but the end result was only an unintelligible mutter from the Iranian leader in the general direction of the secretary.

    SO now we are laughing stocks.


  72. Nevergiveup
    73 | December 6, 2010 3:32 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    @ Speranza:

    It’s her Vegas relocation fund so she can get her dream job as a cocktail waitress At the Mandalay bay!

    Hey I bet they make goos money in tips


  73. MikeA
    74 | December 6, 2010 3:32 pm

    @ BuddyG:

    Good question. I think that individual muslims can exhibt good qualities. I work with 2 in my dept and they are both execellent programmers. The problem is when they are the majority. The entire muslim way of doing things is the issue. I have read that in a group, the honor thing is so strong that they will not admit they don’t know something. Its a loss of face and honor. It probably has to do with a group-think mind set. The whole religion keeps half the population un-productive and uneducated except for maybe as a nurse to help give birth. The ones that are left don’t have much personal initiative.


  74. 75 | December 6, 2010 3:32 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Groupsex in the afterlife, but only for the murder-suicides. That goes back to Mohammed, too. I used to have a Koran, and there is a passage in it about one of Mo the Mad’s followers. Mo told him to take off his chainmail in battle and fight until he was killed, and then said something about him having a great time in the afterlife when he got killed. Lovely religion. Everyone should be a member…


  75. NoThreat2U
    76 | December 6, 2010 3:33 pm

    @ Rodan:
    You knock it off too.


  76. coldwarrior
    77 | December 6, 2010 3:33 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Well Done: Christine O’Donell’s Campaing Leaves $1 million Unspent
    Where’s the $15 I sent that ditz????

    WHAT????

    1,000,000 left unspent in a losing campaign?


  77. 78 | December 6, 2010 3:33 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Yes they do! That’s her qualification!


  78. NoThreat2U
    79 | December 6, 2010 3:35 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Ya know, some people equate sex and religion no matter what. In most cases it involves love and monogamy and all that kind of stuff. The moes have equated sex and religion with murder mayhem and lust. It is sick. Sick sick sick. I should probably explain myself a little better but I think you can figure out what I am trying to say.


  79. NoThreat2U
    80 | December 6, 2010 3:36 pm

    @ Rodan:
    *SMACK* H8tr.


  80. coldwarrior
    81 | December 6, 2010 3:36 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Yes they do! That’s her qualification!

    what would have been THE’signature win’ (taking out harry reid) was lost and there was a lot of money still left in the campaign???


  81. BuddyG
    82 | December 6, 2010 3:37 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    they really do believe in the 72 virgins. They are working toward a goal

    72 virgins would be hell. They don’t know what they’re doing, gotta explain everything, they’re frightened, and timid, and passive. Heaven would be 72 naughty girls.


  82. unspecial
    83 | December 6, 2010 3:38 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Do not forget the rivers of honey and wine that does not befuddle the mind!
    That sounds like Near Beer to Me.
    If there is beer in Hell, it will be Near Beer.


  83. NoThreat2U
    84 | December 6, 2010 3:39 pm

    @ BuddyG:
    LOL LOL LOL But then they wouldn’t be in charge. Moes like their women timid and afraid. What you just described is the western man’s version. lol


  84. unspecial
    85 | December 6, 2010 3:39 pm

    @ BuddyG:
    Perpetual Virgins!


  85. 86 | December 6, 2010 3:39 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    It has been that way for 1400 years. Mohammed was a bandit chieftan, not much different than if a Hell’s Angels club President founded a Religion based on Hell’s Angels’ morality and lifestyle. OK, maybe HA wouldn’t have the murder-suicide thing going on, or the honor killings, or the pedophillia…


  86. The Osprey
    87 | December 6, 2010 3:39 pm

    @ Fritz Katz:

    Someone needs to remind Glenn that only washed up jazz musicians who think he boils frogs think Geert is a fascist.


  87. mjazz
    88 | December 6, 2010 3:40 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Even Aisha had him pegged. I think it had something to do with his adopted son’s wife. Something to the effect that his god was eager to please his desires.


  88. The Osprey
    89 | December 6, 2010 3:41 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Mohammed was the president of the Allah’s Djinns cameljockey club.


  89. BuddyG
    90 | December 6, 2010 3:41 pm

    @ MikeA:

    I work with some muslims too and they seem okay, but I don’t trust ‘em.


  90. MikeA
    91 | December 6, 2010 3:41 pm

    BuddyG wrote:

    NoThreat2U wrote:
    they really do believe in the 72 virgins. They are working toward a goal
    72 virgins would be hell. They don’t know what they’re doing, gotta explain everything, they’re frightened, and timid, and passive. Heaven would be 72 naughty girls.

    72 naughty, bi-sexual, gourmet cooks who all look like Brazilian super-models… If you’re going to dream…. dream BIG….


  91. The Osprey
    92 | December 6, 2010 3:42 pm

    @ unspecial:

    The Czechs say that in heaven, there is no beer, so we just have to drink it all here!


  92. coldwarrior
    93 | December 6, 2010 3:42 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    given glenn’s multiple targets and plethora of info on them, he is bound to be wrong some times.


  93. NoThreat2U
    94 | December 6, 2010 3:42 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I’d take my chances with the HAs than the moes.


  94. NoThreat2U
    95 | December 6, 2010 3:43 pm

    @ The Osprey:
    The Croatians claim the same thing. lol


  95. 96 | December 6, 2010 3:43 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    You are thinking about Sharon Angle. Different race. Rodan is just upset that Christine O’Donnel beat the Republican Establishment’s pet Democrat for Senate. Hell, Castle couldn’t win the primary. He wouldn’t have won the general. No way in hell. The Establishment Elite need to get over the thought that they can just run any damn body they please with an “R” after their name and we, like lemmings, will automatically vote for them. The Establishment Elite need to be remided that they, too, are our representatives, not our masters. Them as don’t like it can find another line of work.


  96. unspecial
    97 | December 6, 2010 3:44 pm

    @ The Osprey:
    ;>)


  97. snork
    98 | December 6, 2010 3:46 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ snork:

    So was that Green Freak a few months ago. I can’t even remember his name. This nut. It took longer than I expected, but we have a Leftist suicide-bomber. Not a very skilled one, but they never are…

    The guy that Chuck said was a right winger?


  98. unspecial
    99 | December 6, 2010 3:47 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    We really need to control the primarys to prevent brand dilution.
    We also need to fill local offices with conservatives, from Mayor to Dogcatcher.
    That will kill Democrats in the larval stage.


  99. 100 | December 6, 2010 3:48 pm

    @ snork:

    That guy Chuck thing Lewd Spank van Queer’s blow-up doll is a real person, too. I don’t have a very high opinion of his opinion :evil:


  100. NoThreat2U
    101 | December 6, 2010 3:49 pm

    @ unspecial:
    That will kill Democrats in the larval stage.

    ROFL***********


  101. 102 | December 6, 2010 3:50 pm

    BuddyG wrote:

    @ MikeA:
    I work with some muslims too and they seem okay, but I don’t trust ‘em.

    I work with some too and most of us can’t stand them!


  102. Bureaucat
    103 | December 6, 2010 3:51 pm

    …well, maybe if you didn’t insist on warming up your pork rinds in the microwave…


  103. 104 | December 6, 2010 3:52 pm

    BuddyG wrote:

    72 virgins would be hell. They don’t know what they’re doing, gotta explain everything, they’re frightened, and timid, and passive. Heaven would be 72 naughty girls.

    To each his own; trying to figure out just one keeps me pretty busy. 72? No thanks.


  104. 105 | December 6, 2010 3:52 pm

    @ unspecial:

    Yeah, did you see the link I put up earlier? They are expecting primary challenges in 2012, and the RNC has told the Senators (at least) that they are on their own. That is as is should be. The People choose the candidates. Primaries (all primaries) should be closed. Republicans should choose the Republican candidates, and Democrats should choose the Democrat candidates. Other Parties should have their own primaries. This idea of letting the Democrats select our Presidential candidate is crazy. The same trickles down to the House and Senate, all the way to the lowest elected offices. And you are right, we need to take better control of our Party at that level, too. We’ve left things in the hands of the Party Elites, and they handed the House and Senate back to the Democrats. This time is different. The Republicans are on Probation, as far as I’m concerned. We didn’t sign a blank check this time.


  105. coldwarrior
    106 | December 6, 2010 3:53 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    multitasking…sorry.


  106. MikeA
    107 | December 6, 2010 3:53 pm

    @ Bureaucat:

    Pork rinds are like revenge… best served cold… with some tabasco.


  107. 108 | December 6, 2010 3:54 pm

    @ MikeA:

    I like my revenge hot and bloody…


  108. 109 | December 6, 2010 3:54 pm

    A river bank of over 40 kilometers wide.

    LOL, I never realized the idiocy of the term “West Bank”. He does make a very important point on the value of words. Made up classifications like “Palestinian” and “Jordanian” instead of Ottoman Arab, “West Bank” instead of Judea and Samaria, are Orwellian constructs that are taken as truths by those whose knowledge of history comes from our leftists schools and universities.


  109. 110 | December 6, 2010 3:55 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I like my revenge hot and bloody…

    That’s how I like my steaks.


  110. BuddyG
    111 | December 6, 2010 3:55 pm

    @ unspecial:

    Live Long and Prosper


  111. NoThreat2U
    112 | December 6, 2010 3:55 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    Slacker. lol


  112. unspecial
    113 | December 6, 2010 3:55 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    Remove the breeding grounds of local politics.
    Politicians usually progress from State and Local to Federal, remove the breeding grounds….


  113. 114 | December 6, 2010 3:56 pm

    @ Rancher:

    I have never understood how anyone could seriously say they wanted a “Judenrein Judea” and be taken as a potential “Partner for Peace”. Hell, the fucking SS weren’t in fucking Judea hunting Jews…


  114. 115 | December 6, 2010 3:56 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Rodan is just upset that Christine O’Donnel beat the Republican Establishment’s pet Democrat for Senate.

    I just think she’s an idiot.


  115. BuddyG
    116 | December 6, 2010 3:57 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    BuddyG wrote:
    @ MikeA:
    I work with some muslims too and they seem okay, but I don’t trust ‘em.
    I work with some too and most of us can’t stand them!

    I don’t discuss politics with ‘em since I fear a complaint to HR about ‘racism’ or some related BS.


  116. 117 | December 6, 2010 3:57 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    A river bank of over 40 kilometers wide.
    LOL, I never realized the idiocy of the term “West Bank”. He does make a very important point on the value of words. Made up classifications like “Palestinian” and “Jordanian” instead of Ottoman Arab, “West Bank” instead of Judea and Samaria, are Orwellian constructs that are taken as truths by those whose knowledge of history comes from our leftists schools and universities.

    They’re trying to make people believe that history can begin whenever you want it to begin.


  117. NoThreat2U
    118 | December 6, 2010 3:57 pm

    @ unspecial:
    I agree. I refer to it as “baby steps”. Larval stage was just too clever though. I had to chuckle.


  118. coldwarrior
    119 | December 6, 2010 3:58 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    but still, delaware is a very small media market…it cant cost that much to run more (and better ads, hire a good consultant) get a better message out…a million is way too much to leave in the tank


  119. BuddyG
    120 | December 6, 2010 3:59 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    To each his own; trying to figure out just one keeps me pretty busy. 72? No thanks.

    Long ago when I was a teen dealing with virgins was a clumsy awkward experience. The gals were a lot more fun later in life.


  120. 121 | December 6, 2010 3:59 pm

    @ Rodan:

    She may well be, but she was our idiot, and she’s not as bald-faced stupid as Karl Rove was to be out cutting campaign commercials for Coons once his pet Democrat got beat. That should finish Rove in the Party leadership. I can only surmise that he was very drunk. Fine. He needs to be in Rehab, not any kind of Republican leadership position.


  121. 122 | December 6, 2010 4:00 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Them as don’t like it can find another line of work.

    Smuggling Semtex into Mecca preferably.


  122. unspecial
    123 | December 6, 2010 4:02 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Prevent Larval Liberals from living off public office.
    Keep a Liberal off the public teat long enough and if they are lucky, thier clue gene will activate, making them Conservative.


  123. 124 | December 6, 2010 4:02 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    but still, delaware is a very small media market…it cant cost that much to run more (and better ads, hire a good consultant) get a better message out…a million is way too much to leave in the tank

    Odd are that that million is what she thought she spent on those ad’s that never got aired. Would you pay for commercial time that you never received? I sure as hell wouldn’t.


  124. unspecial
    125 | December 6, 2010 4:03 pm

    @ BuddyG:
    Thanks.


  125. NoThreat2U
    126 | December 6, 2010 4:03 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I seen you said you watched Sarahs show lst night. That was pretty frikkin awesome huh!? I wanna be her when I grow up.


  126. mjazz
    127 | December 6, 2010 4:03 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I’ll never listen to anything he has to say from now on. He’s a backstabber.


  127. 128 | December 6, 2010 4:04 pm

    unspecial wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Prevent Larval Liberals from living off public office.
    Keep a Liberal off the public teat long enough and if they are lucky, thier clue gene will activate, making them Conservative.

    Liberal is a Native American word for someone to gay and lazy to hunt for a living.


  128. 129 | December 6, 2010 4:04 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    True, but she never expected to have a million dollars, let alone $2.5 million. She didn’t have time to put together a slick campaign, and the Party Establishment didn’t want her to win, so there was no help there. She probably couldn’t have won in any event. For all the talk about that being a walk-on for the Republicans, it wasn’t. It was a formerly Democrat held seat in a Democrat State. We could have tried harder, though, especially when her fundraising took off. Those are the kinds of oppertunities that the Party structure is supposed to be there to take advantage of, but they were too busy having their nose out of joint because the stupid voters didn’t vote the way they were supposed to. That attitude has not gone un-noticed…


  129. 130 | December 6, 2010 4:05 pm

    mjazz wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I’ll never listen to anything he has to say from now on. He’s a backstabber.

    Yup, just another fucking Ruling political class elitist asshole.


  130. unspecial
    131 | December 6, 2010 4:05 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    :>)


  131. coldwarrior
    132 | December 6, 2010 4:05 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    She may well be, but she was our idiot,

    :lol:


  132. BuddyG
    133 | December 6, 2010 4:06 pm

    @ unspecial:

    Happy Hanukkah


  133. NoThreat2U
    134 | December 6, 2010 4:07 pm

    FCC Commissioner Wants to Test the ‘Public Value’ of Every Broadcast Station ….

    “If a station passes the Public Value Test, it of course keeps the license it has earned to use the people’s airwaves,” Copps said
    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/fcc-commissioner-wants-test-public-value


  134. 135 | December 6, 2010 4:07 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    but they were too busy having their nose out of joint because the stupid voters didn’t vote the way they were supposed to.

    That and her opponent was put over the top by backstabbing turncoat republican Castle supporters.


  135. coldwarrior
    136 | December 6, 2010 4:08 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    ?

    pick up the phone, call david gergen, wave $$$ in his face, have him advise you, hire some professionals, bingo. instant campaign in less than a week.

    it isnt hard, that kind of cash makes things happen very quickly.


  136. 137 | December 6, 2010 4:08 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Yeah, that was pretty cool. She resonates with the base in a way that no politician, not even Reagan, has in my lifetime. Independants, not so much, but that is what campaigns are for. The Republican “Elites” who have their ass out of joint because of her are in danger of driving voters away, not keeping them down on their sheeple plantation. The Democrats can get away with that because Democrat voters in general aren’t very independant minded. They think in group dynamics with State-issued group-think. Republican voters are quite the opposite. The “Elites”, though, don’t hob-knob with us common folk very much, so they don’t know


  137. 138 | December 6, 2010 4:09 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    She may well be, but she was our idiot,

    IF is right, it was the betrayal of her by the likes of Karl Rove that convinced Delaware Republicans (Castle supporters) and independents to vote for the Commiecrat.


  138. 139 | December 6, 2010 4:09 pm

    BuddyG wrote:

    @ unspecial:
    Happy Hanukkah

    “Dammit Jim, I’m a surgeon, not a Menorah candle!”


  139. unspecial
    140 | December 6, 2010 4:11 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    Liberals would sit there while You skinned the deer, boned it and built a fire, telling you all about how you were doing it wrong.
    Then, hold thier hand out for some meat.


  140. 141 | December 6, 2010 4:11 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    They should have called her. I doubt seriously she knows how to get ahold of David Gergan. I don’t. Who woudl she ask? The only people I would even know to ask would be the Republican Party, and they didn’t want her to win. Anyway, it is done now. The question is, have the so-called professionals in the Republican Party learned anything? There are some positive signs.


  141. NoThreat2U
    142 | December 6, 2010 4:12 pm

    It’s all laid out for us in black and white…

    The jobs O hates…

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_jobs_hates_oXIsAxVOBCZmFNzSlF6uJJ?sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4cfd4f3b21841ffd%2C0


  142. unspecial
    143 | December 6, 2010 4:13 pm

    @ BuddyG:
    Does the middle light get lit first? How does that go?


  143. coldwarrior
    144 | December 6, 2010 4:14 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    They should have called her. I doubt seriously she knows how to get ahold of David Gergan. I don’t. Who woudl she ask? The only people I would even know to ask would be the Republican Party, and they didn’t want her to win. Anyway, it is done now. The question is, have the so-called professionals in the Republican Party learned anything? There are some positive signs.

    $1,000,000 buys you access to whomever you want.

    and that takes the vaunted gop leadership right out of the equation.


  144. unspecial
    145 | December 6, 2010 4:15 pm

    unspecial wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Liberals would sit there while You skinned the deer, boned it and built a fire, telling you all about how you were doing it wrong.
    Then, hold thier hand out for some meat.

    and tell everyone who did not have meat that you stole that deer from them.


  145. 146 | December 6, 2010 4:15 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Obama just doesn’t want to mess with people’s funemployment. Besides, if they can get unemployment benifits extended, and keep them extended, they will have an entirely new class of people who will vote Democrat because that is where their paycheck comes from. What could be more important than that?


  146. BuddyG
    147 | December 6, 2010 4:15 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    He’s dead Jim !”


  147. NoThreat2U
    148 | December 6, 2010 4:16 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    She’s just so….normal. I think maybe that is what turns most people off. People expect their leaders not to lead, but to rule. That is a mistake. Are people afraid to think for themselves? I know I sure as hell don’t want anyone to tell me how to think or feel about anything. Maybe people are just so used to being ruled? I don’t get it.


  148. rain of lead
    149 | December 6, 2010 4:16 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Iron Fist wrote:
    She may well be, but she was our idiot,
    IF is right, it was the betrayal of her by the likes of Karl Rove that convinced Delaware Republicans (Castle supporters) and independents to vote for the Commiecrat.

    I read somewhere that she was told by the lawyers to keep a million
    in the bank so as to pay for court challenges and recounts, makes sense to me.


  149. 150 | December 6, 2010 4:17 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    And you are done. Gergan and the like would take half of that million for the six week gig. Now if she’d had $20 million, like McCain spent, sure. But he took a year to spend that money.


  150. BuddyG
    151 | December 6, 2010 4:17 pm

    unspecial wrote:

    Does the middle light get lit first? How does that go?

    It’s goes boldly where no man has gone before.


  151. NoThreat2U
    152 | December 6, 2010 4:18 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I keep saying, he wants to tear down the entire foundation of this country and rebuild it into some utopia. Every move he has made has destroyed a segment of our nation.


  152. 153 | December 6, 2010 4:18 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Republicans should choose the Republican candidates, and Democrats should choose the Democrat candidates.

    Until this last election I would have taken that as a given, why the hell did we get away from that? Do Republicans get to vote in any Dem primaries?


  153. Fritz Katz
    154 | December 6, 2010 4:21 pm

    @ The Osprey:
    @ Iron Fist:

    The problem was Glenn Beck called Geert a “fascist” — that was so out of character. Beck is usually the one the leftists are bearing false witness about, not the other way around.

    Anywho, Glenn seems to ‘walk back’ the comment in this audio clip (I’m still uploading it and will post a link before the end of this thread).


  154. unspecial
    155 | December 6, 2010 4:22 pm

    @ BuddyG:
    It’s hard to believe they built that huge starship just to fly around going boldly where no man has gone before and did not load it up with politicians.
    They brought plenty of red shirt cannon fodder though.


  155. 156 | December 6, 2010 4:23 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    We didn’t used to be that way. A hundred years ago we’d have had a civil war over the Federal Government’s over-reach. We shuld know. We did, and they didn’t over-reach anywhere near this much. The North would have fought against a Union that tried to manage our lives the way Fedzilla does. Somewhere between there and here we lost that spirit. We had it during WWII. It was gone, though, by the time the Baby Boom generation took over under Clinton. It was gone before that, though, or Johnson’s Great Society would have never gotten off the ground. I think it was FDR and the Big Government “fix” for the Great Depression (that really fixed about as much as Obama’s trillion dollar stimulus) that did us in. We expected Daddy Government to take care of us rather than to take care of ourselves. One of the founding Fathers warned that you could lose freedom in just one Generation. We did. It has just taken them longer than expected to implement it.


  156. Nevergiveup
    157 | December 6, 2010 4:23 pm

    The moron Francesa on YES just said it is gonna rain tonight at the Meadowlands???? Is he freaken kidding me? It’s freezing. The fat ass should get out of the studio sometimes i guess


  157. coldwarrior
    158 | December 6, 2010 4:24 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    i just cant get past a strange feeling that she is a box o’rocks and totaly lost control of her campaign. there are professionals that would have worked for her in the last weeks.

    the last 3 weeks is where ya spend the money, and DE is such a small market. a million in DE is not a million in CA or NYC.


  158. BuddyG
    159 | December 6, 2010 4:25 pm

    unspecial wrote:

    did not load it up with politicians

    Don’t ask, Don’t tell


  159. 160 | December 6, 2010 4:25 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    Do Republicans get to vote in any Dem primaries?

    I believe so. Remember during the 2008 campaign, after McCain sealed the deal Rush was encouraging people to vote in the Dem primary where they could, and vote for Hillary. While his “Operation Chaos” was funny, it really shouldn’t have been possible. Like you say, it is just common sense.


  160. Philip_Daniel
    161 | December 6, 2010 4:25 pm


  161. 162 | December 6, 2010 4:26 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    I think maybe that is what turns most people off.

    No what’s turning some people off is the Palin cult that’s forming and that she’s above criticism. So I criticize her becasue its not accepted to do on the Right and I like to challenge conformity.


  162. NoThreat2U
    163 | December 6, 2010 4:26 pm

    Running to the store before it gets too bad out. Anyone want me to pick them up something?


  163. NoThreat2U
    164 | December 6, 2010 4:27 pm

    @ Rodan:
    You’re not challenging conformity. You are being full of shit.


  164. 165 | December 6, 2010 4:27 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I don’t know, really. Maybe she is dumb as a box of rocks, she still isn’t as dumb as the Republican Establishment that ran Castle against her in th eprimary. That is a given. The GOP should have done a better job vetting its candidates. The Tea PArty, like all grassroots organizations, had to work with whatever they could find.


  165. 166 | December 6, 2010 4:28 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    O’Donnell’s mistake was that she didn’t focus on economic issues and jobs. It became about her views on social issues. All she had to say was that her personal views, will not effect her policy decisions. Had she done that, game over. But she defended all her views, thus letting the Marxist Coons dictate the debate.


  166. RIX
    167 | December 6, 2010 4:28 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    Running to the store before it gets too bad out. Anyone want me to pick them up something?

    Beer & maybe some beer.


  167. coldwarrior
    168 | December 6, 2010 4:29 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    i agree that DE was a mess from day 1, and no doubt should be a lesson to everyone.

    i just wont give her a pass because of what looks like incompetence.


  168. 169 | December 6, 2010 4:29 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    You’re not challenging conformity. You are being full of shit.

    Ah OK, well I will never against speak bad about our divine majesty!


  169. Nevergiveup
    170 | December 6, 2010 4:29 pm

    The phone. The electric light bulb. The Model T. Heck, Google.
    The list of American innovations that have changed life on Earth is practically endless, but President Obama is trying to inspire America’s next technological wave by referring back to a 50-year-old achievement by a defunct nation — Sputnik.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/06/whats-sputnik-obama-makes-s-space-race-rallying/#ixzz17My4VRjT

    But the president’s decision to cheerlead for the next big breakthrough by repeatedly referencing a Soviet achievement from a half-century ago has some scratching their heads. For starters, the United States has forged some important engineering eras since then.


  170. 171 | December 6, 2010 4:30 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    A percocet and a vallium? :mrgreen:


  171. 172 | December 6, 2010 4:30 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    there are professionals that would have worked for her in the last weeks.

    And cross Karl Marx Rove? Yea, they might have taken her money, but they wouldn’t have helped her win, the Elitist Republican leadership Political Ruling Class put the fix in against her. No republican campaign manager who ever wanted to work again was going to help her win.


  172. 173 | December 6, 2010 4:30 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Yeah just becasue someone says they are Tea Party, doesn’t make it so. Like at Sharon Angle, she was clearly a Reid plant and a Democratic false flag.


  173. 174 | December 6, 2010 4:31 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Whateve happens in the future, I am certain she won’t be a Senate Candidate again.


  174. NoThreat2U
    175 | December 6, 2010 4:31 pm

    @ RIX:
    Nah, I think I’ll just buy you beer instead. Is that cool?? lol

    @ Rodan:
    Wise choice :)

    @ Iron Fist:
    Did you run out of whiskey and vicodin???

    BRB


  175. 176 | December 6, 2010 4:31 pm

    RIX wrote:

    NoThreat2U wrote:
    Running to the store before it gets too bad out. Anyone want me to pick them up something?

    Beer & maybe some beer.

    and could ya pick me up some beer while yer at it?


  176. 177 | December 6, 2010 4:32 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    You’re right! Christine O’Donnell was a n awesome candidate. Her intellect and understanding of the people’s economic distress was amazing! She lost because of Karl Rove and it wasn’t her fault.

    She should run for President!


  177. Fritz Katz
    178 | December 6, 2010 4:33 pm

    Here’s the clip where Glenn takes back the comment about Geert:

    Glenn_Beck_-_Dec_03_2010_Hour_2__Glenn_takes_back_Geert_is_fascist_comment.mp3


  178. 179 | December 6, 2010 4:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Yeah just becasue someone says they are Tea Party, doesn’t make it so. Like at Sharon Angle, she was clearly a Reid plant and a Democratic false flag.

    And no matter what they are, if they loose they are the worst possible candidate and a false flag stooge, hmmm some how that dont sound quite right to me.


  179. coldwarrior
    180 | December 6, 2010 4:35 pm

    @ Rodan:

    i am only referring to the cash left over…thats it.

    the other stuff i am leaving out


  180. 181 | December 6, 2010 4:35 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Remember during the 2008 campaign, after McCain sealed the deal Rush was encouraging people to vote in the Dem primary where they could, and vote for Hillary. While his “Operation Chaos” was funny, it really shouldn’t have been possible. Like you say, it is just common sense.

    He was saying they would have to register as Dems in regions where the Rebublican candidate was a foregone conclusion.


  181. 182 | December 6, 2010 4:36 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    No you’re right Angle was a genius! Man her intellect really awed me. Its a shame Karl Rover made her lose!


  182. 183 | December 6, 2010 4:36 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I don’t think that, either. I do think that one of the other two should have been persuaded to drop out in the primary. Once Angle won the primary, though, we shouldn’t have spent so much time with the internicine bullshit trying to tear her down. The truth is, Reid was a tough nut to crack. A senate majority leader almost always wins re-election. We need to focus more on the races we are likely to win. And we need to be focused on 2012, now. The only point in re-hashing any of the 2010 races is to try and learn what went right, what went wrong, and how to do more of the former and less of the latter. 2012 should be a huge year for the Republicans IF the Republican Establishment doesn’t piss it all away fighting their own base for dominance.


  183. 184 | December 6, 2010 4:37 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    We are not allowed to criticize Christine O’Donnell, Sarah Palin or Sharon Angle. That’s not allowed around here!


  184. RIX
    185 | December 6, 2010 4:37 pm

    doriangrey
    172 | December 6, 2010 16:30
    And cross Karl Marx Rove? Yea, they might have taken her money, but they wouldn’t have helped her win, the Elitist Republican leadership Political Ruling Class put the fix in against her. No republican campaign manager who ever wanted to work again was going to help her win.

    Karl Rove & Dana perino really broke bad on O’Donnell.
    Perino even said after the primary, “She has to earn my support.”
    I thought that is what a primary was for.
    The fact is though that the Bill Maher clips really hurt her.
    Becoming a punch line for late night comics is deadly.


  185. coldwarrior
    186 | December 6, 2010 4:39 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    No republican campaign manager who ever wanted to work again was going to help her win.

    or work for the tea party candidates either, either the tea parties are powerful or they are not.

    i aint buying the argument, because if the manager wins that race or makes it close, he is made.

    a genius.


  186. coldwarrior
    187 | December 6, 2010 4:41 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Whateve happens in the future, I am certain she won’t be a Senate Candidate again.

    that is true…so she’s gonna send the money back to her supporters, right?

    :lol:


  187. 188 | December 6, 2010 4:45 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Heh, NASA was once at the core of American innovation and it’s become a Muslim outreach program; using the space program as an example is futile. While I get his strained point, it’s, as usual ham-handed and rather obtuse.


  188. 189 | December 6, 2010 4:46 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    You’re right! Christine O’Donnell was a n awesome candidate. Her intellect and understanding of the people’s economic distress was amazing! She lost because of Karl Rove and it wasn’t her fault.
    She should run for President!

    This is one of the reason politics is all fucked up, because some people insist on demonizing anyone who looses. Come on dude, face reality, a) she ran in a DEMOCRAT state, b) her own party betrayed her, no fucking if’s and’s or but’s about it. I full 1/4th of Delaware Republicans and 56 percent of independents voted for Coons, those republican and independent voters were Castle supporters.

    The unvarnished truth is she got 40 percent of the vote in a RED RED RED state. Was she a perfect candidate no now show me on who is, because they are all flawed.


  189. 190 | December 6, 2010 4:48 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    No you’re right Angle was a genius! Man her intellect really awed me. Its a shame Karl Rover made her lose!

    Now you are really acting like a spoiled child. I’m out of here, I like and respect you to much to continue this immature childish line of argument.


  190. 191 | December 6, 2010 4:48 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I wish. I sent her $100. Could be worse. At least she ran true to her principles. A lot of Crist supporters got to see their money try and take down Marco Rubio after the voters had made their choice clear. I doubt many of them approved.


  191. 192 | December 6, 2010 5:02 pm

    The Tea Party had some really good candidates, but they had some that were classic losers, as well. This was the maiden voyage and the movement did extraordinarily well.

    O’Donnell, Angle (and a couple more that I’ve already forgotten) were simply bad candidates. I don’t think those who identify with the Tea Party are under any obligation to continue to defend those who were simply bad friggin’ candidates. Frankly, O’Donnell made me cringe every time I saw her on TV and Angle made some absolutely weird comments and comments.

    Hell, my own Tea Party candidate, Rand Paul is a guy that I voted for in the general with reservations. What he’ll do in the Senate is anybody’s guess, but if he turns out to be anything like his father, well, he’ll do incredible damage to the movement.

    We have elected some kick-ass Congressmen and Senators, and we should be encouraging them, rather than defending the cringe worthy candidates that did neither us, or themselves any good at all.


  192. coldwarrior
    193 | December 6, 2010 5:10 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    good call.


  193. snork
    194 | December 6, 2010 5:47 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    So the Ruskys have all these green jobs?

    I don’t get it.


  194. 195 | December 8, 2010 12:13 pm

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