Victor Davis Hanson (one of those great pundits who were banished to the cornfield at the blog that shall not be mentioned) skewers the entire Obama act as the dog and pony show that we all knew it was going to be. I personally can only conclude that the whole Obama phenomena was a case of mass stupidity which infects the American electorate every generation or so. The adolescent world of Barack Obama that so many people decided to jump on has proven to be a world of delusion and incompetency.
by Victor Davis Hanson
“What do we do now?”
– Robert Redford as Bill McKay, in the 1972 film, The Candidate*
We still remember a messianic Barack Obama criss-crossing all 57 states promising “millions of new green jobs” and to “close Guantanamo.” Those pre-September 15, 2008, days were heady times, the apex of doctrinaire postmodern liberalism without the responsibility of governance. Most of us then had never really heard of a teleprompter and were mesmerized by someone who could look out at us with instant impromptu recall of fact after fact — and in such eloquent fashion.
Remember how, with 19th-century monument backdrops or faux Greek columns, Obama rattled off the most honey-tongued panaceas at hundreds of “hope and change,” “this is our moment” revival hours. He lifted millions in Rev. Wright cadences without the nuttiness — and with plenty of advice to paramedics to attend to the fainting and collapsed. But the message? It was not unlike an Ivy League graduate student with his hand perpetually up in the seminar room, blurting out answers to questions before the professor could ask them. (Obamania reminded me of a farmers’ market shopper who once asked me what a “raisin plant” was and then inquired whether they would grow in Santa Cruz.)
War on terror? Easy, just shut down Guantanamo, end renditions and tribunals, pull out of Iraq, and prune back predator drones and other anti-constitutional and unnecessary Bush transgressions. Hadn’t we seen Redacted or Rendition? Wanting something to end, and being the right sort to want something to end, surely were to be synonymous with something ending.
Financial panic? At some point all those Wall Street greedy types that had enriched both the McCain and (to a greater degree) the Obama campaigns would realize that they had already made enough money, and they could either hand over what they owed us, or be socialized and recreated into working at the ministry of investment. Only in Obamaworld do the Peter Orszags among us never go into government briefly in order to revolve out to work for Citibank in Robert Rubin, insider, zillions-to-be-made style.
Tension in the world? No problem: reset diplomacy, talk to Ahmadinejad, reach out to Putin, lean on Israel, charm Assad or Chavez, start talking about Islamophobia and Western neglect of the real positive contributions of Islam. Presto, terrorists are reminded that our president’s middle name is Hussein and they desist. Enemies realize Bush is gone, and that a secretary-general sort is the new president of a flipped America. Peace reigns. Obama wins the Nobel Prize. Now we can finally heal the planet, as we quit trying to steal Iraq’s oil and enrich Halliburton.
Health care? Bring back HillaryCare but this time with “smart” changes and a competent salesman. As Obama advised worried congressional Democrats, this time around they had Obama as point man, or, as he sometimes bragged, “Just give me the ball.” He envisioned himself (literally) as Lebron James soaring to dunk, his congressional lackeys the uncoordinated nerdy cheerboys who would share in his reflected glory.
Eco-change? What better point man that a hip Van Jones, a bit further on the edge than Barack Obama, to shake down corporations for cap and trade and a vast new technocracy staffed by Ivy League green overseers and “millions of new (federal) green jobs”? Remember, the ooh/aah quote from Valerie Jarret about Van: “We’ve been watching him for a long time.”
I’ll stop. You get the picture: the grad students were going to run the campus and so instead of offshore drilling we were going to get properly inflated tires.
Not being Bush
Millions in commerce, journalism, academia, and the arts not only supported, but invested their careers in this adolescent world of Obama, to such a degree that tens of millions of others felt that they had to buy a pet rock or feel they had missed out on a “first-class temperament.”
[...]
Tension in the world? No problem: reset diplomacy, talk to Ahmadinejad, reach out to Putin, lean on Israel, charm Assad or Chavez, start talking about Islamophobia and Western neglect of the real positive contributions of Islam. Presto, terrorists are reminded that our president’s middle name is Hussein and they desist. Enemies realize Bush is gone, and that a secretary-general sort is the new president of a flipped America. Peace reigns. Obama wins the Nobel Prize. Now we can finally heal the planet, as we quit trying to steal Iraq’s oil and enrich Halliburton.
[...]
A mere symptom
Obama was a symptom of a hallowed American tradition. Usually in American political theater, those who shun reform to embrace apocalypse do pretty well. So George Bush transmogrified into the “worst” president in history, and Obama came to the rescue as part-Mandela, part-FDR, and no part an absolute novice without any accomplishment (other than brilliantly sizing up the rather guilty and rich world of liberal elites) to have handed to him what was usually to be earned. Bill Clinton’s step-in the other day was simply the reification of what condescending liberals are now thinking: “OK, our liberal trance with Obama is over; he got us in power, but is of course clueless; now how can we finesse it for the liberal varsity to take over?”
[...]
OK—so what?
What next? Where do you go after not wasting a crisis? After borrowing $3 trillion in 22 months, or having the president slurred with the f-word by his own liberal non-racist supporters, or investing in Putin, or starting a class war against those making over $250,00, or “healing” our way into the greatest racial tension in two decades, or turning a recession into an economic model, or teaching the world about mysterious unknown Islamic roots of the Western Enlightenment and Renaissance, or showcasing a Van Jones, or tit-for-tat whining about Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, or turning over the economy to a soon to scram Orszag, Romer or Summers under the tutelage of Timothy Geithner, David Axelrod and Valerie Jarrett?
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* Consider: 1) a divisive and hate-filled eight years of demonizing the Bush administration as Nazis deserving of commensurate punishment (recall Knopf’s Bush-snuff novel Checkpoint, the Toronto Film Festival prize going to the “docudrama” about killing Bush, and the Bush as brownshirt/Nazi motif from everyone from John Glen, to Al Gore); 2) the greatest liberal setback in 72 years; 3) a messianic 2008 campaign whose dénouement was worry that Bush might subvert the Constitution in his lame duck last months and not leave; and then conclude that 4) we are now to renounce labels like “racist” from the left and “socialist” from the right (note the false moral equivalence, as if there is a senatorial counterpart to Bernie Sanders from the “Racist party” or a European mainstream party is called the “Democratic Racist Party”).
We always get these quite admirable warnings that political discourse has hit a new low, that a new center of civility is needed — after a 1980-like or 2010-like election. We rarely get them in periods like 2004 when “any means necessary” is the creed to stop a Bush-Hitler or hear warnings to George Soros or Jimmy Carter to cool the hate-filled rhetoric.
When David Frum admirably calls for restraint, I am reminded that not long ago in the glory days of the Obama administration, Frum thought it necessary to counter Rush Limbaugh’s influence by invoking his one-time bout of drug dependency and weight (e.g., “his history of drug dependency and his personal bulk, not to mention his tangled marital history, Rush is a walking stereotype of self-indulgence”). Juxtapose all that with “No Labels” and there comes disbelief at the present campaign against ad hominem invective that hampers political discourse. (By Frum’s earlier standard, Gov. Chistie’s waistline or President Obama’s confessionals about habitual use of marijuana and occasional “blow” are fair political discourse).
Read the rest Now What?
Oh I love the VDH!
I love the smack-down of Frum’s hypocrisy. One of the guys in his “No Labels” movement wrote a book about the Right called “Wingnuts”. No labels, just ad hominem. But only to the Right, of course. *spit*
Can you even imagine someone doing a snuff film on Президент Оба́ма? Not only would they be immediately labeled a RACIST!, they’d be investigated and brought up on charges by the DOJJ (sic).
@ Iron Fist:
Exactly.
I read an article about the “No Labels” at PBS and they were fawning over the concept and talking about the nationwide grassroots effort behind it…
Funny, I had never heard of them at all until that article.
I read this yesterday or last night at PJM and thought it was brilliant. Nice to see a post about it. I am eager to see the comments.
‘No Labels’ Accused of Ripping Off Their Logo….
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/12/14/no-labels-accused-of-ripping-off-their-logo/
@ m:
I smell astroturf…
@ NoThreat2U:
LOL at the replacement!
@ m:
Nothing with David Frum involved could be called “grassroots”. He’s as Inside Washington as the Lincoln Memorial.
Know what you call it when you cross a RINO with an elephant?
Sorry to go OT so soon but this is just too good to pass up…..
Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder…
The Senator, who has made a career of being against gun ownership for the general public, didn’t hesitate to defend himself with his own gun when he believed he was in immediate danger and he was the victim.
http://smartgirlpolitics.ning.com/group/tennesseesgp/forum/topic/show?id=2488056%3ATopic%3A590826&xg
@ lobo91:
Yeah, this is grassroots – a couple of rinos & dinos sending out a few emails. The hundred thousand at Tea Party rallies with homemade signs? Naaaah – now THAT was manufactured.
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@ Macker:
Nice huh?? lol lol lol
@ NoThreat2U:
No hypocrisy there…
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@ NoThreat2U:
LOL, NLINOs – yep!
m wrote:
And here I thought that you loved me! bwaaah
@ lobo91:
Nope, none at all. Now if only the rest of us could be trusted with a weapon….//
@ m:
I find it hilarious the things they are trying to make up now…the coffee party and now this. They will never gain the momentum the tea party has. Never.
@ NoThreat2U:
That is beautiful! That is even better than when Carl Rowan shot a kid for tresspassing with an unregistered gun in DC. None of these gun-controllers want those laws to apply to them. Only to the
Untermenchenplebians…We need a candidate that can win in 2012, no “send a message” to the GOP Establishment candidates who will win the nomination and then lose the general election. The country is at stake.
Iron Fist wrote:
Sean Penn also was found to have had a gun in his car.
@ Iron Fist:
Like I said above, we can’t be trusted with weapons. I honestly believe, like many here say, they don’t want us armed because they know one day we will come after them.
@ NoThreat2U:
And of course, he is a Demo☭rat!
@ Speranza:
And Rosie ODonnell has armed bodyguards. Another damn hypocrit. Or in her case hippo-crit.
@ Speranza:
We got enough love to go around! {Speranza}
@ Macker:
No surprise there. lol
Speranza wrote:
We have to convince the rest of the Country of this. That is our first priority, in fact. Then, we nominate a good, solid candidate (and Romney is neither of those) who will win. You win the election by winning the war of Ideas. Not by nominating the slickest snake-oil salesman.
Btw that 1972 Robert Redford film that VDH referenced in the beginning “The Candidate” was actually one of pretty boy’s better flicks.
@ m:
Hey! Keep it in your pants! I am the only perverted deviant here. lol lol lol
@ Iron Fist:
Frum never responded to my smack down. He’s a Leftist chump.
@ Iron Fist:
I support who ever gives me the best shot of getting Obama out of the oval office. Anyone who thinks I will support a third party candidate is batty.
Well I happen to like labels.
And I’m not afraid of the broad brush either.
Rodan wrote:
He is a girlie man.
m wrote:
Ok that makes me feel a little bit better. Our engagement (in our next lives) is still on then?
@ Rodan:
Did chuck ever write you back about freeing Luddy? LMAO**********
Speranza wrote:
Minnesota has a strong third party. Anyone can see what a mess it’s making of things up here.
NoThreat2U wrote:
I cringe every time I see her on TV or elsewhere.
NoThreat2U wrote:
Recall when she gave poor Tom Selleck a hard time on her show when he came on to plug his movie because he was a spokesman for K-Mart which sold guns?
@ NoThreat2U:
That is a big part of it. You do not dictate to an armed population. If you try to, you get massive insurrection, civil war, and quite possibly hanged. That is precisely why Madison put the Second Amendment in the Constitution:
James Madison, Federalist 46
It appears that I know more about Second Amendment jurisprudance than Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer. Or does he know and was simply lying on Fox Sunday? Either way, he has shown himself not to be fit to judge Second Amendment cases.
Macker wrote:
She is a 9/11 troofer.
@ Rodan:
@ Speranza:
Which is why he and selrahC are in bed together.
@ Speranza:
It’s too bad he didn’t bitch-slap her like she so richly deserves!
@ Macker:
She really is a disgusting human being. It has nothing to do with her being gay, per se, but she makes it about that. She’s loud and rude and obnoxious. I guess that is a proven tactic of the left….shout down your opposition.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
Recall Ross Perot in 1992.
Macker wrote:
He looked like he wanted to bag that Rhino.
@ Speranza:
That is how you replace one bad elected official with another. If electibility is your only qualification, well, that is exactly how we got Obama.
@ NoThreat2U:
I put her in the same league as Нанци Пелоси. She is a scrunt.
Macker wrote:
yeah he bemoaned Charlie “leaving” the Right when he never was a member of the Right.
Speranza wrote:
There, fixed that for ya!
@ Speranza:
And that is when it came out about her having armed bodyguards. Hippo-crit.
@ Iron Fist:
I’m glad you mentioned that…I saw a link somewhere about “the Second Amendment not applying to everyone” or some shit like that. Let me see if I can find it again….
@ Rodan:
Frum is a waste of skin. He was always a Democrat in Republican’s clothing. Makes you wonder how Bush would have done with better advisers, doesn’t it?
Iron Fist wrote:
My goal is to defeat Obama, not to make a statement, just like my goal was to defeat Harry Reid, otherwise we wind up with Atlantic City cocktail waitresses like Christine what’s her name?
@ Speranza:
I’m not going any further with your “beamoaned” remark….
snork wrote:
Nobody?
@ Iron Fist:
Wow – little more to the story…
http://www.wwaytv3.com/only_3_man_shot_soles_tells_his_side_story/04/2010
Speranza wrote:
I’m with youse
@ Iron Fist:
OK….I was off a bit there. Check this out….
Supreme Court Justice Breyer: The 2nd Amendment Doesn’t Really Mean What it Says it Means Because Madison Added it to Appease The States…
Madison “was worried about opponents who would think Congress would call up state militias and nationalize them. ‘That can’t happen,’ said Madison,” said Breyer, adding that historians characterize Madison’s priority as, “I’ve got to get this document ratified.”
Therefore, Madison included the Second Amendment to appease the states, Breyer said.
http://weaselzippers.us/2010/12/14/supreme-court-justice-breyer-the-2nd-amendment-doesnt-really-mean-what-it-says-it-means-because-madison-added-it-to-appease-the-states/
@ Speranza:
We’ve had this arguement before. My goal is to elect a President who will help to bring the Country out of this Depression and return us to our level of Greatness in the World that we deserve. Defeating Obama is a necessary component of that, but it is a step towards the goal. Capice?
NoThreat2U wrote:
The progressives will never be able to create anything close to the TEA Party. They don’t have what it takes. The best they will ever be able of is a Rent-a-Mob to spread their bull shit with the help of the lame stream media.
NoThreat2U wrote:
There’s mail to the admins about how to crank it up a notch.
Nevergiveup wrote:
You are a smart man. As the old saying used to go “If you want to send a message, call Western Union.”
@ snork:
Elephrino
@ NoThreat2U:
Yeah, that is what I was referring to. Breyer doesn’t know what he is talking about. That quote I linked is James Madison, not some Liberal saying what he thinks Madison thought. Which one would you want to bet on if you were having to cross a bridge supported with engineering based on that thought process?
@ snork:
We’re waiting on you!
Elenosarous? Rinophant?
@ Iron Fist:
Defeat Obama, that is goal number 1, number 2, and number 3. I will repeat that until my face is blue. Obamaism is a cancer that has to be cut out of the system, once we are cancer free we can concentrate on recovery. Comprende?
@ m:
Interesting. Makes you wonder what “things” are, doesn’t it? He’s a Democrat. I bet both sex and drugs are involved.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
Agreed.
@ m:
NoThreat2U almost got it.
Elephino.
Iron Fist wrote:
Gee…which “wise” person would Оба́ма appoint next, should Breyer ever decide to step down during his tenure?
@ m:
It’s an elephrino….like Hell If i Know. Get it??? lol
@ Iron Fist:
Madison’s words, not someone’s interpretation of them.
@ Iron Fist:
You mean like Барни Фаг?
@ m:
Ok, this Soles guy has got MAJOR issues… (Apr 2010)
NoThreat2U wrote:
Nope nor did he said anything on his blog about it. I will do a special post about it.
@ m:
So he pays young men for sex. That is what this is all about. Creepy old perv.
@ snork:
lol, cute ~ that’d make a good license plate.
@ Speranza:
And I disagree. I am, of course, right. Simply replacing Obama with his Republican equivilent achieves nothing. I’d prefer to achieve something. I should point out, since you don’t seem to have noticed it, that you can accomplish your goal while I accomplish mine. That might be something to think about, especially as the primary battles heat up. The kind of scorched earth battles we saw against Christine O’Donnell only help the enemy. Especially if they are conducted after your candidate has lost.
@ Rodan:
Keep at it. lol lol
Speranza wrote:
I remember George C. Wallace in 1968.
And then there was John Anderson in 1984.
@ Rodan:
That email was a great idea.
@ snowcrash:
*waving* Good Afternoon
@ NoThreat2U:
Yep. I think it is frightening that Breyer is on the Court. He can’t be ignorant of Madison’s words, but he makes up a fantasy to support what h ewants to be the case and then bases his decisions in court cases on his fantasy. That is the definition of an unfit Judge, but we are stuck with him until he dies.
@ NoThreat2U:
Hey Nothreat! Good afternoon. I have to find a holiday gravatar. I like yours.
Simply replacing Obama with his Republican equivilent
See that is where the rubber meets the road. There are some shitty Republicans, Some Rhinos, and some assholes, but there are very few if any Commie Bastard Republicans. At least none I know. Obama is uniquely dangerous to America, to the American Way, and to Freedom and Peace loving people everywhere. He must be defeated no matter what.
(On topic all around!)
One of the things that I think will matter less in 2012 than in any other election is the “charisma” of the candidate. I think Obama has temporarily lowered the value of having an “exciting” candidate.
As VDH points out, the people as a whole can’t help but be struck by the contrast between the Obama hype and the reality. They may be turned off by “excitement” this time around.
A dull type with experience could seize the moment.
@ Iron Fist:
Hablo Espanol, no Italiano!
@ snowcrash:
Google images
@ Iron Fist:
In the liberal world, there is no black and white. Everything is a shade of grey. To determine anything, it all depends on how you look at it. Sucks don’t it.
Iron Fist wrote:
I hate to burst your bubble, but that’s actually the way a number of the Justices approach their work. They make their decision on a case, and then tell their clerks to come up with reasoning to support it.
That’s how we ended up with crap like Roe v. Wade.
@ wolfie:
We dont need anymore Mavericks or Great Orators. We need another cowboy…just not one named Bush. We need a hard ass president. Enough dicking around with these hostile countries and apologizing for America tours.
@ Nevergiveup:
But why, pray tell, must we, must we select the RINO? Republican Ideas win elections, not RINO ideas. Republican Ideas, if we live by them, will lead America out of this Depression, not RINO Ideas. The best case we get if we choose the RINO because of his presumed greater “electibility” is four years of stagnation followed by a new Democrat President. Witness Bush Senior to see the truth of my words. We are making a grave mistake if we do not vette our candidate for ideology as well as “electibility”. And we are making a graver mistake when we let the Democrats and the MFM (as though they are different) determine what we consider “electibility” to be in the first place.
Iron Fist wrote:
I have no problem trying to elect the best conservative candidate we can. I am just saying, and I believe Sperenza is also, is that no matter what, we have to get rid of Obama. I don’t want a Rhino anymore than you do, but I will NOT get into an a idiological Blood bath of a fight that results in the re-election of Obama.
@ lobo91:
Yes, but that is exactly opposite of how a Judge is supposed to work. Dredd Scott v. Sanford is the only worse decision than Roe v. Wade that the Supreme Court has handed down, ever. And that only because it is one of the proximate causes of the Civil War. The whole point of Senatorial “advise and consent”, from a Republican perspective, is to avoid the appointment of justices who will judge in this manner. Not vetting them on Ideology, but on whether they even have the temperment of a Judge or not. Breyer is definately on the “not” side of the equasion.
ABSOLUTELY!
Time to go insulate the basement. Wish me luck. lol lol hot bath here I come!!!!!!!
@ Iron Fist:
WTF is the republican equivalent of Obama? Help me out here, I’m drawing a complete blank.
“Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.” (-Anonymous-, only because I haven’t found the name of the correct author.)
I repeat this because Obummer is just the tip of a very dangerous iceberg.
@ Rodan:
Hablo Smith and Wesson. It comes with a universal translator
@ Iron Fist:
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
That was from a Prague, Czech Republic newspaper last April. Someone here posted it a few days ago.
@ Iron Fist:
There is no, zero, zilch, nada – GOP equivalent of Barack Hussein Obama.
@ snork:
Bush I was almost as bad. He sold us out to the UN, he raised taxes. He managed to carry on for four years, and then got Clinton elected President. Is that bad enough? Romney has all the markings of being just as bad. Romney won’t repeal ObamaCare, he will salvage it under some different name, and it will still be a cancer on the body politic. It will still destroy jobs, the economy, and the health care profession. Is that bad enough? We can do btter, but we have to be willing to try/I>. The Republican Elites have already decided who their candidate is, but they didn’t question us little people. Is that good enough?
Carter,,,dumb commie.
Clinton,,sneek back door commie.
Kerry,,,,long term commie/traitor.
Obama,,,,the worst of the litter.
First things first. Vote them out, all of the commie Democrats.
Stay focused, take each thrust at the heart of the U.S. and its Constitution and divert or break it.
Now before you, The Dream Act.
http://cis.org/vaughan/dream-shields-gang-members
ACT
@ Da_Beerfreak:
Amen.
@ Iron Fist:
I realize you hate Bush, Romney, and Bush, but not even close. Obama is dangerous and anti-America. he proves it each and every day. There is s huge difference, I am sorry you can’t see that.
Al Gore so bad he does not even count.@ taxfreekiller:
Speranza wrote:
I know it was posted before, that’s why I said it was a repeat. This is also only a small part of the whole, but I think it’s the best part.
Focus to closely on “the one” and the rest of the fools will run circles around us all.
Iron Fist wrote:
But he could distinguish shiite from shinola.
If you use a false shield to shield our freedom and the Constitution they will still be hit and killed by mutiple fragmentation wounds.@ Nevergiveup:
@ Iron Fist:
Desert Eagle is my peeps!
@ Nevergiveup:
We have alternatives to Romney. Electible alternatives if the Party Establishment do not destroy them. If your desire is to really defeat Obama, then you should consider them. We tried running thew next guy in 1996, following what the Party Establishment wanted. How did that work out? I’ll admit, I didn’t even vote that year. There really didn’t seem a point in it. Dole didn’t want to be President, he just felt it was his turn to be the Candidate. Show me where Romney is any different.
@ Iron Fist:
If Romney was the nominee Rodan’s head would splode…
@ snork:
Not enough to finish the Gulf War. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory! I can’t think of anything equivilent in history. We had completely broken our enemy, then simply restored everything more or less to status quo ante. WTF?
@ Iron Fist:
Re: 1996 – Dole was a piss poor candidate but I do not think anyone would’ve beaten Clinton that year and I even forgot who was running in the GOP primaries that year as well.
Iron Fist wrote:
Well put.
Nevergiveup wrote:
I’m not a fan of the Bush clan, but they were misguided and naive. Obama knows what he’s doing and is malicious. The difference.
m wrote:
Not really.
@ Iron Fist:
You not getting my point. I do NOT want a candidate like Romney, McCain, Yada Yada Yada. And I will not support a candidate like that in the Primary. But I will NOT support an witch hunt, blood bath, or creation of a third party until Obama is safely out of the White House. The stakes are to high.
@ Iron Fist:
Bush I was a Progressives. That’s why Perot ran and took the economic Conservatives with him.
@ Rodan:
Too big and they jam. My dad has one. You pretty much have to hand-load to get the thing to feed reliably. I’ll take a .45. Glock is probably the best (Glock 21 SF), but there is something just satisfying about a 1911. 100 years and going strong!
OFF TOPIC: Calling on the Russians to serve up some Cream of Polonium Soup:
Assange granted bail, but Sweden appeals
Watch. He’ll post bail and then flee to Switzerland. Perhaps he should hang out with Roman Polanski?
Iron Fist wrote:
Going all the way back to Korea, the US has never won an undeclared war. Before Korea, we’d never lost a declared war. There’s a lesson in there somewhere.
If we’re chickenshit of a declaration of war, we’re going to lose. Guaranteed. That was the problem with the Gulf war. Same as with all these other undeclared wars.
@ Speranza:
Yeah, ok.
Rodan wrote:
Ptichfork Pat Buchanan did not help either.
m wrote:
I’m not supporting him in the primary since I’m for Donald Trump. But in a general elction, I would vote for him against Obama. Then I will attack him daily on this blog.
m wrote:
It doesn’t matter, Donald Trump will win the GOP nomination and defeat Obama.
Speranza wrote:
Buchanan was the only serious challenger.
Iron Fist wrote:
The primary process is seriously flawed, maybe even fatally. There maybe no free and fair way for “The People” select their true candidate in this day and age.
@ Rodan:
Bush I was very much a Progressive, and more a fan of the UN than the US. Everything about the Kuwait Adventure was fucked up, from Glassby and the diplomacy before the invasion to letting Saddam fly helicopter gunships and put down the shiites and kurds after we’d given up our win, it was all fucked up. And it was all political. It was a textbook war (and wars never are). The only surprise was no one expected our plans to go off so perfectly. We have taken out Saddam, and there never would have been a second Iraq war, except Bush put the UN and its goals and ideals ahead of American interests. Disasterously, as we now all know.
@ Iron Fist:
And hindsight is always 20/20.
I just came in in the middle of this.
I just want to point out that Romney was the favorite at CPAC
in 88.
@ Rodan:
Well hell… we’d all probably support my CAT over Obama. But do you want Romney as the republican nominee?
Rodan wrote:
and with Derek Jeter or Tom Brady as his running mate will make serious inroads into the liberal Northeast. Actually Brady is not 35 yet.
@ Rodan:
Oh, I’ll vote for the motherfucker over Obama, but I don’t expect electing him will do much good. And after four years of him we’ll get another Democrat unless he surprises us and breaks out of his RINO shell. I guess it could happen. He could also appoint me Secretary of War. I give them about equal chances of happening.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
The primary process can be reformed, if the parties decide they want to do it.
Get rid of both open primaries and caucuses, and end this crap of states endlessly pushing the date of their primaries up in an attempt to outdo one another.
@ m:
It depends on what kind of “ties” Soles has to the kid. I’ve know some pretty sad hangers on in local politics that would volunteer all kinds of time to candidates but who had no real life of their own. As a candidate I’d hate to be tied to the jackassery of all my staffers all the time.
And guess who’s gonna help put up bail for AssAnger? None other than Mike al-Moor!
@ Macker:
Another prime candidate for a lead infusion…
@ lobo91:
110%
@ Bureaucat:
From a google search these aren’t the only “boys” and it’s a big to-do.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
The Republican Party needs to stop using “Open” primaries in
any state.
Last time around a lot of Independents voted for McCain in open
primary states. We get stuck with him & they voted for Obama in
the General anyway.
Obama gets busted on ‘Mythbusters’
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
Depends. All Republican Primaries should be CLOSED. Republicans ONLY.
When you have Open Primaries, you get those ‘Independents’ and Demo☭rats crossing over to vote for the candidate who will be the weakest against their guy.
m wrote:
I’m supporting Donald Trump as the GOP nominee.
@ lobo91:
I’m sure he’d munch up the Cream of Polonium Soup without hesitation!
@ Macker:
Yeah, but you could see this coming a mile away. I bitched through the whole thing. What was Kuwait to the United States? We basically said that to Hussein. What did we expect him to do, invite the Emir over for tea? Then we jump his shit. That had to give him whiplash. Then we stomp his army as thoroughly as any army has ever been stomped. The only reason we didn’t destroy or capture the whole goddamned thing is we stopped killing them. We didn’t have to do that and certainly shouldn’t have done it. Then we leave him in power, let him use the remanents of his army to secure him in power. That is like deliberately shooting up with an HIV infected needle just to show you don’t give a damn. Stupid compounded by negligent, it is no wonder Clinton won.
@ Rodan:
ggrr
@ Rodan:
Ok, but if Romney gets the nomination I don’t wanna hear ya bitchin!
@ snork:
All that happened about the time we got rid of the Department of War, and had, instead, a Department of Defense. Just Defense never won anything.
@ Iron Fist:
Hey that’s why we have this blog. Either way, I’ve given up on the GOP. We are voting for lesser of evils.
m wrote:
I will hold my fire until after the election. Then you will see anti-Romney posts.
I told you, I’m supporting Trump not Romney.
@ Macker:
Perhaps he should hang.
snork wrote:
Complete Blank is the correct answer. Some unknown idealogue without a history that can be written upon by eloquent speech writers and political reporters. The only problem is that while the MSM will write nice things about hope and change for a Democratic cypher they will just as soon spraypaint lewd graffiti on anyone posturing to be conservative.
@ m:
You’ll hear me bitching. Palin is the better candidate for all kinds of reasons. She has some trouble with independants now, but that is what you have campaigns for. in 2006, nobody had even heard of Obama except the people that watched the 2004 Democrat Convention. Hell, I watched it, and I didn’t remember the motherfucker. Gave a good speech. Wow. So did Hitler. Two years later this unexperienced (he’d have to get some experience to qualify as inexperienced) non-entity becamse President of the United States. Palin can raise money. That is the first hurdle you have to clear.
Macker wrote:
Exactly!! The Primaries are for the Parties to chose their Candidates.
The first thing I would do is close all the primaries. No exceptions. If the Independents don’t like that they can get off the fucking fence and join a Party; otherwise STFU.
@ vagabond trader:
I like your abbreviation
@ Rodan:
OK, what about this…if not Trump and not Romney, who’s next on your list? For the record, I support Sarah Palin.
@ Rodan:
I’m pretty disgusted with them too. He11,I’d vote for the D mayor of our small town. He knows how to keep the budget tight,stands up to the teachers and stays out of the lives of law abiding citizens.
Iron Fist wrote:
Clinton won because of the economy, not because of any perceived inperfections in Gulf War1
@ Rodan:
After is too late.
m wrote:
Sigh. I have once again cemented my official status as naive.
P.S. Ick.
@ Iron Fist:
NOTE TO ADMINS: Is there a way we can add true “Upding/Downding” links to posts?
@ vagabond trader:
Then why is he a Demo☭rat? Or…is he a Democrat in the vein of, say, Zell Miller?
@ Da_Beerfreak:
100%. No open primaries. And picture ID to vote. Do those two things, and the system would be vastly improved.
@ Iron Fist:
Trump would destroy Palin and Romney in a debate. He will expose them as fools.
@ Macker:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo!
/lol
Iron Fist wrote:
And get rid of cuacuses.
While no Republicans have gamed them the way Obama did the Dem caucuses in 2008, they could.
@ Bureaucat:
Naive is better than jaded! ~:D
/and yes, ick!
@ Macker:
Yes.
@ m:
Well… I guess that depends on the question…
Macker wrote:
No way!! 11ty!!
If you like a post just reply with a smiley
Otherwise…
Rodan wrote:
I still think Trump would get destroyed as a candidate because of his personal life
Macker wrote:
I have been tempted to ask but those can be used as a tool to stealth troll old posts.
@ m:
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
m wrote:
I will attack Romney, Plain and Gingrinch in the Primaries. ALl I said is I would hold my fire during the general election.
U.S. Senate
Revolt: Republicans Angry About Omnibus Spending Bill Decry ‘Total Mes
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/14/revolt-republicans-angry-omnibus-budget-decry-total-mess/#ixzz187XP0RTN
Good. I hope they follow thru
Nevergiveup wrote:
And his financial issues.
The country’s going broke. Is anyone really going to vote for a guy who’s gone bankrupt multiple times to fix it?
@ Nevergiveup:
No one cares about people’s personal life anymore. Bill Clinton proved that. Trump will not run on family values. He will run on restoring our economy.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
hey, you can have your winter back…we are done borrowing it!
@ Nevergiveup:
Clinton won for a number of reasons. First and foremost, Bush I pissed off the base. That is where the Perot vote mostly came from. If Bush had taken 80% of the Perot vote, he’d have held onto office. He should have gotten all of it. That was the Republican base. Bush I took a good bit of independant vote, Clinton took the rest, and, of course, Clinton got the Democrat base. There were exceptions (I knew a guy who said he’d never voted for a Democrat, but he voted for Clinton), but this is a good overview. Clinton had the complicity of the media. What the media called the “Worst recession since the Depression” was really a fairly typical downturn, and we were already out of it before the election. Still, the perception was that things were bad. The lesson I am trying to drive home is that you have to keep your base. The Republican Base is stirred up something fierce right now, and the Republican Elites seem determined to piss that all away.
Rodan wrote:
Trumps gonna run on “family values”??? How many times has he been married?
Rodan wrote:
You are wrong on that. Democrats don’t care about people’s personal lives. We beat that fact to death on the Incest thread yesterday. Republicans do. People won’t vote for Obama, but they will stay home and not vote.
Macker wrote:
nope
lobo91 wrote:
On the off-years the state caucuses are used for state party business, I would keep them around for that use only. They are no longer a reliable way to select a candidate.
Iron Fist wrote:
I am not so sure that is true just yet. Time will tell.
@ lobo91:
They voted for a guy pushing 50 who whined about paying off his student loans.
@ coldwarrior:
@ lobo91:
If you look at Iowa, Huckabee can stack the deck with Evangelical
Christians. He wins the caucus & becomes the frontrunner
because the MSM says so & then they start a scare campaign
against Evangelicals.
You have it right, there is a good reason for a secret ballot open
to all declared party voters.
@ RIX:
Obama won the caucus states by busing in thugs from out of state, who shouted down supporters of the other candidates.
@ Nevergiveup:
Yes, time will tell. Boenher isn’t doing well, though. Giving the Fed to Ron Paul as a Christmas Present does nothing to placate me. I do hope I am not alone…
@ Nevergiveup:
I think he left a “not” out ~:)
@ RIX:
Yeah, and Huckabee would be a disaster, too. Not only is he a RINO, he can’t defeat Obama. I don’t think we have anybody worse than Huckabee runnning.
Iron Fist wrote:
that appointment is the ‘shiny object’ meant to distract!
‘Include issue of Jewish refugees from Arab lands in talks’
By HERB KEINON
12/14/2010 22:09
Foreign Ministry pushing to include Jews who fled from Arab countries in core issue discussion with the US about refugees; Ayalon: Rights and justice for Palestinian refugees prominent while Jews have been ignored.
Diplomatic officials said the reason for raising the issue is not necessarily to receive compensation for the Jews who left the Arab countries, though this could be a factor when the Palestinians demand reparations from Israel for Palestinian refugees, but rather to seek redress, and an acknowledgement by the world that in 1948 there was not only a Palestinian refugee issue, but a second one, involving Jews who – unlike the Palestinians – were fully absorbed. Somebody better tell Obama since I am sure he has no idea about this?
coldwarrior wrote:
I still haven’t finished digging out yet myself. I have 4 to 5 foot drifts here on the Eastside of Saint Paul.
m wrote:
Or a wife or two?
BREAKING NEW FROM FOXNEWS
Foxnews is reporting a shooting at a School Board meeting in Panama City Florida. The person walked in started shooting, (didn’t shoot anyone but pulled out a can of red spray paint and painted a large V on a wall)
lobo91 wrote:
Yes he did. Obama is the CEO of a thugocracy. Look at the intimidation
at the Town Halls when Obama & Stern sent SEIU thugs to use gangsta
tactics.
I never thought that I would see a US President dispatch thugs
to beat down American citizens peaceably assembleing.
@ coldwarrior:
I agree. Nothing will come of it, but the Ronulans will be appeased. I’m pretty upset by dude that got Appropriations. A Certified Earmarker™ Yeah, that shows the Base we’re serious about cutting spending
Iron Fist wrote:
He would not even want to win.
I hope he enjoys his stay at Leavenworth…
Saudi King’s Entourage Displaces NYC Waldorf Guests
It’s good to be the King! Oh piss boy, piss boy.
@ Iron Fist:
Incest is not the same as a man having different wives. Seriously, what do I care about his family life. As long as he isn’t doing incest and other disgusting activisties, I could care less.
There are limits, But I’m not voting for the Pope.
lobo91 wrote:
Ditto
lobo91 wrote:
It worked here in Georgia. Nathan Deal just put his millions in debt in a blind trust. Of course he was running against “King Roy” Barnes and we’d already seen that act.
@ Speranza:
No, he wouldn’t. I think the only reason he was in it last time (and the only reason he’d run now) is to split the Evangelical vote so that the Establishment Candidate can win. Remember how McCain seemed to be out of the running, but the Conservatives kept splitting? I think they’ll go for the same strategy this time. The same thing is true if Gingrich gets in. He can’t win, but there are those who are loyal to him. I should know. My Old Lady is one of them. We’ve almost had fights over it (and we never fight).
lobo91 wrote:
buhbayh…thanks for playing, colonel
Iron Fist wrote:
Huckabee would be a disaster in a general election, but I would
vote for him if he is the nominee,
Sarah Palin who I like a lot has a particular problem with Independents.
She scared the MSM, so they painted her stupid. Independents bought
in & don’t want to vote for anybody stupid. They want to come off
as sophisticates, that’s why they are Independents.
Iron Fist wrote:
rep rodgers from kentucky.
@ lobo91:
@ Nevergiveup:
I vas only following orders… You hav to follow ze orders…
@ Rodan:
I only raised that to point out that Democrats have no standards whatsoever. Me, I’m not so interested in Trumps’ wives, girlfriends, boyfriends, etc. except in how they tie into his electibility (and they do hurt him). I am interested in his positions on the issues, which I haven’t heard him say anything on. I guess since he is a successful capitalist we can infer that he isn’t a communist, but beyond that I don’t have a clue where he stands on anything. Until I know that, I can’t know if I’d even consider him.
Here are the flaws of the major Candidates.
Romney – Appeals to Independents but turns off part of the Base.
Palin – appeals to part of the base But is despised by Independents.
Gingrich – washed up
Huckabee – Marxist witha Bible.
The conclusion, Obama will win in 2012.
lobo91 wrote:
Trump’s not the guy we need; he’s a gimmick candidate. If he is the GOP candidate, stick a fork in us, we’re done.
Iron Fist wrote:
I have never liked huskabee. I would like him to stay out of the
primaries, but he will disobey my wishes. Damn!
@ Iron Fist:
I’ve seen interviews He’s an Economic Conservative and his foreign policy is to either fight to win or end the wars.
Rodan wrote:
I don’t think any of these will be the nominee.
@ MacDuff:
Well the GOP is toast in 2012. Let’s focus on the Senate. Right now neither Romney, Palin, Hickabee or Gingrich can defeat Obama.
MacDuff wrote:
But guys, he has better taste in women that BHO.
RIX wrote:
All of that is true. She was unprepared for the vitriol from the MFM last time because it was unprecedented. Maybe the press hated Nixon that bad by the time he left office, but they didn’t when he was running. We have to counter the MFM if she is to be a viable candidate, but that is a doable task. She is the outsider candidate this time around, in an environment that is hostile to Washington Insiders. That is where we start. She can raise money. Now she has to raise a boatload of it. There is absolutely no way she should even consider public funding. Obama won’t. She needs a billion dollars if she wants to win. That gives us a target.
Rodan wrote:
Lol!
@ Rodan:
Palin can. She just needs to raise the money and run a good campaign.
Rodan wrote:
So you want Trump to run, who turns off everybody outside of New York and again The conclusion, Obama will win in 2012.
lobo91 wrote:
He and Pfc Manning can have interesting chats about how to turn large rocks into smaller ones.
@ Philip_Daniel:
Yes see Daniel Ortega in Nicaruaga.
Rodan wrote:
we have 18 months to go through the candidates…it hasnt even sstarted yet and we’re finished?
nahhh…18months is an epoch in political time
@ Nevergiveup:
The fleeing Jews left behind billions of dollars in assets and land that added up would be larger than Israel. You never hear of demands for their Right of Return. Breitbart had an article about how some religious Israelis didn’t want them to rent or sell land to arabs. I wrote comparing populations and land mass and the persecution Christians face in arab countries and said I don’t care if a handful of Jews discriminate. It’s as if that country is under a microscope.
RIX wrote:
So do most gay guys also
Iron Fist wrote:
She can’t. Independents don’t like her. She turns off Suburbanites. She will not win Ohio, Florida, Nevada or Colorado. It will be Reid vs. Angle.
Obama would defeat her 51% – 48%. It will be Kerry vs. Bush in reverse.
mjazz wrote:
Well that wasn’t just some “religious” Jews. They are part of the Government, so that is highly problamatic and probably illegal also.
In politics, as in war – there is no substitute for victory.
@ coldwarrior:
One billion dollars. Whomever wants to take on Obama needs to be able to raise that much money to achieve parity in spending. I think Palin can do that. She can pull the $100 donations out of the people who never donate to campaigns, and that is where the bulk of a Republican’s money has to come from. The Democrats get it in big, sweeping chinks from the moneymen, of course. Another misperception that the MFM portrays as truth is that the Dems are for the little guy. All the Dems are for is the little guy staying little.
@ doriangrey:
Trump would expose Obama as a fraud.
@ Rodan:
@ doriangrey:
Patience folks, no one has even announced at this point. It’s a little early to be predicting any side as “toast”.
In 2012 maybe we will be able to compare the GOP to the arabs in never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
If it looked like a Tea Party candidate would win, I’d vote Tea Party.
Otherwise it will be the lesser of two evils once again- that is, who is going to hurt the country the least.
@ Rodan:
I disagree. Independants are fickle. That is their nature. Their opinions are not fixed, so they can be manipulated. Palin is a bit too honest and open for that. That is probably really her biggest weakness. She will have to overcome it.
Rodan wrote:
You know I agree. I do not see Indies going for her and the liberals cannot wait to run against her (why people think that the Democrats are afraid of her is puzzling) – I work with nothing but liberals. I am curious as to what states McCain lost that she would win? Obama is at 43% popularity and considering how fucked up his presidency is, that is not bad. He should be at 30%. The man will be formidable in 2012.
Rodan wrote:
Anybody that still needs to be convinced that Obama is fraud is beyond redemption and a hopeless case.
@ Nevergiveup:
Didn’t see that part. OTOH, they have arab legislators that want to destroy the country from within.
Reading the essay from Hanson, I kept hearing the song “God,” by John Lennon. Particularly the last line, “The dream is over.”
Was it fun while it lasted, those of you who believed? It looked kind of fun, from the outside. Unicorns are beautiful creatures, and more fun to ride around the skies than your own personal jet-pack.
I don’t believe in Whoopi
I don’t believe in Mike al-Moor
I don’t believe in Osama
I don’t believe in Gore
I don’t believe in The Warmening
I don’t believe in unicorns
I don’t believe in ethanol
I don’t believe in Obama
I just believe in me
Scarlett Johansson and me.”
@ Speranza:
I’ve answered that one before. Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, to start. Rodan doesn’t think she’d win Florida, but after this year Florida is Tea Party territory. I don’t think Obama can win Florida this time unless the Republicans fuck up and nominate Gingrich. That is a start. It all comes down to fundraising at this point, and Palin can raise the money better than any of the others.
mjazz wrote:
Thats true, but that still does not excuse the Jewish Officials who want to destroy the underpinnings of a Democratic State with Fascist laws
mjazz wrote:
So-called Israeli Arabs despite their high living standards are Palestinians in their heart of hearts and want to “Itabach al-Yahud” (Kill the Jews).
@ Iron Fist:
I share your enthusiasm for Palin, but not your confidence that
she can win a general election.
She has been mauled & reduced to a punchline in trendy circles.
I resent the way that she has been treated & mostly by her inferiors,
journalists who couldn’t do math.
I would like to see her stick it to all of them though, so I’ll
hold out hope.
Nevergiveup wrote:
Amen. If they don’t know it by now, they never will.
Speranza wrote:
Ah maybe, but when given the choose to move to the West Bank or even to support a “population” transfer in a peace deal, they chose to stay in the State of Israel overwhemingly and every time
@ Speranza:
Obama is at 39%. He’ll never drop below 35%. That is an absolute floor of people who will vote Democrat no matter what. It might be somewhat higher. Blacks, union members, academics, welfare recipiants, government workers, and others (excepting the Military) who depend on Uncle Sugar for their sustanence in one way or another. Obama always wins their vote. The only way Obama loses them is if he is challenged from the Left.
Iron Fist wrote:
Florida – Hell no – I live there and know what I am talking about. Too many old fart Democrats from the FDR generation and transplanted northern liberals.
North Carolina is a purple state (ask “M”) loaded with transplanted northern liberals, college kids and blacks
Virginia – not so sure, maybe. Again, a lot of transplanted Northerners in the northern section of Virginia.
Nevergiveup wrote:
True. I think that Obama is eminently beatable in 2012 as things
stand now.
@ Nevergiveup:
The article I read just mentioned a group of rabbis.
Rodan wrote:
He’ll never even get the chance, the Fifth Column Treasonous Media will destroy him if he even looks like he would do that. What the hell do you think they are soooo pissed at Sarah Palin for? If you think they treated Sarah bad, you got no clue what they will do to “The Donald”, remember, they didnt have one single real thing to hit Palin with, when they start pulling Trumps skeletons out of the closet the shit they start throwing at him will make it look like they had a love affair with Sarah.
PALIN 2012 and that’s all I have to say. Yinz know where I stand.
I was really loving Palin’s Alaska show until the last episode, when she took Kate Gosselin camping. I can’t stand the Gosselins!! Why, Sarah, why?
@ RIX:
Hell, at this point, anything can happen. In December ’06, I’m not sure if I’d ever heard of Obama…if I had, I likely thought “you gotta be friggin’ kidding me, no way in hell this dude will EVER be president!”
RIX wrote:
Obama owns the trendy vote. We’ll never take one percent of those people no matter who we put up. We want the construction workers, the housewives, the grandparents and parents who are (correctly) worried about their children’s and their children’s children’s futures. We have to show the people the dark future that awaits us if we follow the Obama Way versus the brighter future that awaits us down the Republican Path. That is the campaign, in a nutshell, no matter who is our nominee. Who can sell it better? And who can raise that billion dollars? If we do like McCain, and rely on public funding, we lose no matter who we put up.
Nevergiveup wrote:
You know why? I will tell you, thanks for asking – because it is all “Palestine” to them so why not stay in “Israel” with its better social services and hospitals? It proves absolutely nothing, they want one “Palestine” from the river to the sea. Why should they leave beautiful Haifa and Galilee to live in a shit hole like Gaza or Jenin?
Miley Cyrus Smokes a Bong with Salvia
WTF!?!?
I’ve been growing Salvia in my garden for years because I like the pretty blue flowers. Now you tell me its a hallucinagen.
…and Miley seems to be going the way of Brittany and Lindsay. Not pretty.
mjazz wrote:
Yeah but they have some representation in the Government. I’ll have to look it up. In any event it’s anti-democratic and also stupid and only makes Israel look bad without any tangible positive effect
Speranza wrote:
So how did Rubio win, then? Palin appeals to the same demographic.
Like Dan Quayle, she (Palin) has become a punchline for jokes> It is not fair and is not true (neither is stupid) but who said life and politics is fair? Once they have been Alinskyed in the public mind – the game for them is over. Quayle was a better conservative then GHW Bush was, he was unelectable though.
Speranza wrote:
Actually i think that is a tad simplistic. Do i trust most of the Arab Citizens of Israel-No.. But they know a good thing when they see it, or in this case live in it. Many of them are NOT hell bent on destroying Israel. No doubt some are, but many are quite content to bitch and moan some and even demonstrate now and then, before going home to their nice cozy homes with the big color TVs and nice showers.
@ Iron Fist:
They hate her here in Florida. I live here and People don’t like Palin. They view her as dumb.
@ Bureaucat:
It’s a particular variety of salvia.
Iron Fist wrote:
Rubio came across as serious and articulate. You will notice (Rodan will back me up) that he did not get photographed with Sarah. Rubio stuck to issues (primarily economic). He also ran against a dirt bag named Charlie Crist.
Speranza wrote:
You go right ahead and let the democrat/Marxist choose your candidate for you, I aint going out like that.
Do not know what to make of this:
Scott Brown new R in liberal Mass. Yesterday after he gave a talk to at a Salvation Army deal the press got him to answer some questions.
One of them, “How will you vote on the Dream Act?”
Brown; “I do not like the bill, it is plain to me that it is amnesty and I do not support amnesty and will vote aginst that bill if it comes up.”
Do not know if he has been cleared to say that and vote no due to the R leadership knowing that the bill is a done deal and they are allowing him to protect himself and that seat later.
Could be we have won over some no to the Dream Act and those Senators have not said any thing in public yet.
Looks like Reid is going to put Don’t Ask or we Will Rat You Out, this Dream Act, and one other liberal wet dream deal all up at the last 11th hour after the Christmas break.
If so work your local states U.S. Senators hard over the 25th break.
Its not over until Obama fat lady crys like John Boner.
@ Rodan:
Oh give me a break!
Rodan wrote:
You know it, I know it but others do not. Marco Rubio also did not run very much on social issues.
@ Iron Fist:
No he didn’t. He won Independents, Hispanics, Suburbanites plus the base. Rubio was focused on Economic issues and National Security.
Rubio is 100X the candidate Palin is. He actually can answer questions and get into details.
doriangrey wrote:
I don’t let others choose anything for me, thank you.
That and the dumber than dirt open primaries.@ doriangrey:
@ RIX:
A relatives wife said “I don’t like her, she’s a quitter.”
Another one said “She’d spend all the money on clothes for herself.”
This is the mindset we are dealing with.
garycooper wrote:
That was sure a stupid move on Kate Gosselin’s part.
She came across as unbelievably spoiled and whiny in that episode.
@ Rodan:
He also took some conservative (Reagan) Democrats. He is a terrific debater.
@ Speranza:
Rubio is quick on his feet and can answer questions. I wish he had won in 2006, because he would be formidable against Obama.
Rodan wrote:
And if you honestly think Sarah cant, then you swallowed the Fifth Column Treasonous Media kool-aid by the gallon.
@ NoThreat2U:
Me2.
@ Rodan:
He sure would be. Hey turn your cell on!
garycooper wrote:
A reality show is more fun then balancing a budget, signing or vetoing bills.
@ mjazz:
Jealous snarky women. Women always hate on other women.
Speranza wrote:
If you genuinely think Sarah Palin is unelectable, then you already have.
@ doriangrey:
I’ve seen her in inteviews. She can’t answer questions and uses platitudes. I wish she would run for RNC head, that would be perfect for her.
BTW- The Marxist/Progressives want Palin as the nominee. In fact expect to see Democrats register as Republcians so they can vote for Palin.
@ doriangrey:
People in Florida, don’t like her. You can shoot the messenger but I’m telling you the truth.
@ Speranza:
Do you think she would be any worse than the supposed CiC who thinks partying with his wife is more fun than balancing a budget, siging or vetoing bills?
@ Rodan:
I heard that is some states the Dems had phony Tea Party candidates out there to take votes away from the GOP.
Obama will win in 2012. I have said it before, Romney, Palin, Huckabee and Gingrich all have flaws.
doriangrey wrote:
No I base that on how I read the situation. I can belch and chew gum at the same time and I can make up my own mind based on how I see things not on how things ought to be. I live and work and socialize around liberals (the “enemy camp”) and I know how they think. I said I will vote for whomever the GOP nominee is.
@ mjazz:
Yes here in Florida there is a false flag Tea Party.
MacDuff wrote:
Interesting how this practice team player came out of nowhere.
A real post turtle, he could not have gotten there by himself.
I wonder who is behind this guy. Hmmmm, who could it be?
Sounds like toros?
Rodan wrote:
His reelection prospects are not nearly as grim as people here seem to think it is. If the economy recovers ever so slightly (and the media will hype it to the nth degree)and he makes noises about bi-partisanship, the public will compromise and give us a GOP congress and Senate and a Democratic White House. That will suck but that is a strong possibility.
NoThreat2U wrote:
Wait! TOTUS is heroically delaying his Hawaiian vaction until
Congress adjourns.
This guy has taken more trips in two years than a tour operator.
mjazz wrote:
The Democrats will do anything to win. They understand it is a war.
@ NoThreat2U:
The ones that are pro-family and pro-gun will like her but the other ones will already have their minds made up.
New musical thread!
@ RIX:
Soros is backing him now, but wasn’t during the primaries.
Hillary was his candidate.
@ Speranza:
At this point that’s what will happen.
@ RIX:
Such sacrifices he makes for our country./ i think he should take his trip and leave President Clinton in charge. lol I still can’t get over that move.
NoThreat2U wrote:
I did not say she would be a worse POTUS (since when does comparing people to the hideous Obama by saying that Obama is dumber a ringing endorsement?) only that she’d not have much of a chance in the general election. The media downplays or shuts down all Obama’s gaffes. We need to be 3 times more savvy then Obama. That is a fact. Obama said Navy Corpseman (sic) – did you see that satirized on Saturday Night Live?
Bureaucat wrote:
I did a musical thread on Sunday.
Rodan wrote:
Turn your cell on.
@ mjazz:
This should be a slam dunk for her. Now you know why I am big on morality. If we had more of it in this country, we wouldn’t be in this position and she would be just what everyone wants. It isn’t that she’s stupid, because she’s not. She is just firm in her convictions and makes it clear where she stands on issues. People don’t like the fact that she probably can’t be swayed to do something she doesn’t believe in. People like their politicians squishy and easily manipulated.
@ Speranza:
It’s dead. I will not have it on until I go home later.
@ Speranza:
I just don’t think it is fair to say that there is no way in hell she can win. Obama is proof that anyone can be president.
RIX wrote:
Indeed. One day the full story of Obama’s rise will be told; it proves to be quite a tale.
NoThreat2U wrote:
If Bloomber gets in and splits the Leftwing vote she can win.
@ RIX:
The Vacationing President™ . Couldn’t keep the wife waiting- had a party to go to- it’s all yours Bill.
NoThreat2U wrote:
It is highly unlikely given the influence that the media, popular culture, academia, et al have come up with the consensus that she is a light weight – and that she could win the general election. Maybe if she had stayed on and developed an impressive resume as Governor with solid accomplishments as a budget balancer, tax cutter, job creator and boned up on foreign and defense issues as well as economics, she would have a fighting chance. I do not believe she will be the nominee and as I have said for the 56th time I will vote for whomever the GOP candidate is. This is not an election for class president or a popularity contest – our futures are at stake and I do not like political cults of personalities even if I tend to agree mostly with the candidates positions.
@ lobo91:
.
There is a photo of Soros sitting behind BHO while he is
speaking at a rally. Someone is running that guy.
@ Rodan:
He’s saying he isn’t running. I have to agree with CW, it is still to early really. Bloomy can play this back and forth for the next 18 months or so.
@ Speranza:
I’ll have to look for that SNL skit.
mjazz wrote:
That was a classic case of an incompetent child.
Isn’t part of Obamas job description to stay until
the end of a press conference?
All I can say is that I’m not quite ready to cede the ’12 election, since no one has actually, you know, announced that they’re running yet.
I’m also not quite ready to proclaim the next congress a failure, since it hasn’t yet convened.
MacDuff wrote:
Right on!
MacDuff wrote:
Neither am I. Only pointing out that the the assumption of Obama’s political demise is a bit premature. He has a lot of things gong for him.
RIX wrote:
He knew how pathetic he looked next to Clinton, so he decided to cut his losses.
MacDuff wrote:
That’s what I think. It will be interesting to have this guy unmasked.
@ RIX:
The way he has driven the country into a ditch I wouldn’t be surprised if it was foreign interests.
RIX wrote:
Did he have his hand sticking in his back like Jeff Dunham?
@ lobo91:
I think that’s right. He is taller than Clinton, but the longer
that it went on he appeared smaller & smaller.
@ RIX:
Clinton relished it. He didn’t even bat an eye: “Next!”
MacDuff wrote:
Probably. I think that it is so cool that you can barely see Soros
lips move when Obama speaks.
mjazz wrote:
Clinton has nothing but contempt for Obama. In fact, Clinton has nothing but contempt for most people.
mjazz wrote:
I think that on a real level Obama knew that he was watching
a real professional & he couldn’t handle it.
For him to run off saying that The First Lady is waiting
made him look foolish, but he had no good options imo.
And yeah, Clinton relished it & pretty much ignored Obama
leaving.
@ Speranza:
OK, so answer me this. Whomever runs against Obama needs to be able to raise a billion dollars. That isn’t a number I am just pulling out of my ass. Obama spent more than $750 million last time to beat McCain. This time he has the power of incumbancy and no primary challenges (that is not happening for the reasons Colbert King detailed in the WashPost over the weekend), so he’ll easily raise a third more. Whomever the Republicans put up has to match that. You say Palin can’t win Florida, well, Romney can’t pull in the money from the base like that. He just can’t. None of the others can. Rodan’s kidding himself if he thinks Trump can run in the South, and the Northeast won’t turn out for him, either. Is that it? We’re done because the establishment is too prejudiced against a hick from Alaska that didn’t even go to Yale, Princeton, Harvard, or Columbia (yay! Columbia!)? Because that is really what you are telling me.
Trump is total unelectable any where for any thing higher than even Gov. of New York.
He is a “fake real TV” host, he is fired before he applies for the job.
Anyone that hates a quitter must love Brett Favre…
You’ve got to know when to hold and when to fold.
It’s called judgment.
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“Because that is really what you are telling me.”
@ Iron Fist:
I am telling you that she unfortunately has little appeal to crucial Independents and a large chunk even of the Republican Party. But go ahead and worship the totem of Sarah Palin. By the way I doubt she is the complete social conservative that you think she is. She could not handle Katie Couric and Charlie Gibson. Also the way playing the us v. them class card is not good politics.