In this time of legitimate concern about counterproductive government spending and skyrocketing budget deficits, the mainstream media has been full of complaints about the amount of money and lives spent on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. In addition, more and more of the right-wing blogosphere have pointed out the folly of the Wilsonian “nation-building” strategy promoted by George W. Bush, which is an attempt to implant “democracy” in Islamic lands where most of the population considers it their obligation as Muslims to live under totalitarian shari’a law.
Curiously absent is any mention of the even greater folly of our involvement in the Balkans. Perhaps the most insane episode of that involvement is that in which the US arm-twisted NATO and, later, the EU, into intervening on the side of the Muslim jihadi-narcoterrorists in Kosovo. The KLA (under whatever names they are calling themselves now) were, and are, a terrorist drug gang that doubles as the local arm of al Qaeda in and around Kosovo, not all that much different from the Taliban in Afghanistan. The proper response to a terrorist enemy such as the KLA or the Taliban is never to negotiate with it or to attempt to reform it or to appease it, but to defeat and eliminate it.
The organ theft scandal – and the ongoing coverup of that scandal – offers proof that Washington’s policy in the Balkans is not only wasteful and counterproductive, but also truly evil. There are spiritual consequences to what we do, both as individuals and as members of a body politic. It is obvious to me that the current economic and social malaise in both Europe and North America has a great deal to do with their respective governments’ complicity with Muslim wrongdoers in the Balkans, their acceptance of a flood of Muslim immigration in the decade that followed, and their willful failure to do anything whatsoever to protect Christians, Jews, and other non-Muslims.
The Obama Administration and the US State Department, with their obvious Muslim sympathies, will never backtrack on their pro-Muslim Balkans policy, unless they are forced to do so. It is time to let our elected officials know that it is their duty to do exactly that.
Empowering the Body Snatchers: Washington’s Appalling Kosovo Policy
(h/t: Sparta)
The Skeptics
Ted Galen Carpenter | December 30, 2010The revelations just keep coming, and the evidence mounts that Washington’s policy since the mid-1990s regarding Kosovo has been stubbornly obtuse. The latest blot on America’s diplomacy is an investigative report for the Council of Europe released just before Christmas confirming long-standing rumors that the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) was involved in the trafficking of human organs, including killing Serbian prisoners to harvest their kidneys and other organs. Two aspects of the report were especially damning. First, the author and lead investigator was Swiss Senator Dick Marty, a highly respected champion of human rights. Second, the report specifically named Kosovo Prime Minister Hashim Thaci as an accomplice in those atrocities—as well as being involved in other criminal activities, including drug trafficking and politically motivated murders. Thaci, of course, has vehemently disputed the Marty report, but people who have followed his career since his guerrilla days, when he was known as “The Snake,” find the allegations all too credible.
This thoroughly distasteful situation might be a parochial issue if it were not for the high-profile role that the United States and its leading NATO allies played in the two-stage process of securing Kosovo’s independence from Serbia. During the first stage in the mid and late 1990s, Clinton administration officials and their cheerleaders in Congress, the think tank community, and the news media portrayed the KLA’s secessionist war as a stark melodrama featuring noble Albanian Kosovars and their evil Serb oppressors. The most notorious expression of that view was Senator Joseph Lieberman’s assertion that the United States and the terrorist KLA shared the same goals and values.
That grotesque oversimplification of a bitter ethnic struggle eventually led to a NATO air war against Serbia in 1999, which killed well over 1,000 Serbian civilians, and a subsequent NATO-led military occupation of Kosovo under the nominal auspices of the United Nations. Stage two of the amputation of the province from a now fully democratic Serbia was the decision by the United States and the leading European Union powers to recognize Kosovo’s unilateral declaration of independence in early 2008.
[...]
U.S. and other Western policy makers persist in portraying the Kosovo intervention as a great success. But Kosovo is an economically dysfunctional international ward with an unemployment rate exceeding 45 percent. Indeed, the legal economy—absent the extensive financial inputs from foreign would-be nation builders—is scarcely relevant at all. Instead, political corruption is rampant, and the country is now a haven for various mafia criminal enterprises. The Marty report merely lifts the lid on one aspect of an odious situation that has gone on for more than a decade.Governments are notoriously reluctant to acknowledge being responsible for a major policy blunder. But the United States and its principal NATO partners need to make such an admission regarding Kosovo. Pretending that the policy has been justified, much less that it has been successful, will not make the unpleasant reality go away.
Originally published on 1389 Blog.
Tags: Hashim Thaci, Islamic Imperialism, Islamists, organ theft, Progressive-Islamic Axis, Terrorism
Think about it, all of this because Clinton got a
hummer from a pudgy intern.
The anti-war Left got all in on this war because it
was under a Dem president, it was a distraction from
Clintons problems & we opposed “evil” Christians.
I am SO confused about this whole issue/event.
Anybody got ‘recommended reading’?
@ eaglesoars:
gimme a minute…
the Greeks at my local Panegyri Festival
let the Serbs set up a booth. the Greeks
call the Serbs their cousins. as I was at
thier booth buying some food I told them that
USA was on the wrong side in the war and that
I supported Serbia.they were very appreciative
of that
@ coldwarrior:
Hey? You see this?
http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/01/07/oops-mans-dream-home-accidentally-demolished/
in Pittsburgh
@ mawskrat:
The Serbs are good peeps. Even though Serbs are Slavic, culturally they are close to Greeks.
Appropo of nothing.
I just got email from an American expact living in Germany who is married to a Russian woman. Due to his job, which takes him all over Europe he knows people from all over. THIS is interesting.
eaglesoars wrote:
if i may:
http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2009/12/29/the-balkan-problem-part-1/
http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2009/12/30/the-balkan-problem-part-2a/
http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2009/12/31/the-balkan-problem-part-3-who-are-the-kla/
http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2010/01/16/the-balkan-problem-part-3-revisiting-srebrenica/
waldensianspirit wrote:
yep…sure did!
@ Rodan:
OT- I just saw liberal Mara Eliason (of NPR) on Bret Baer’s Special Report Fox News AllS tars say (as you have) that Democrats have given up on gun control years ago because they realized it is a losing issue.
You want America “to admit its sins” as you also call for secession. Not good.
@ Speranza:
It would be better phrased if it was about the Clinton Admin admitting its sins. We also could use a little bit of Bill Whittle mixed in (even though he is a rabid atheist)
Rodan wrote:
all I know is at the Panegyri the Greeks refered
to them as cousins a real friendly gesture
At this point, I am against any military action to help the muzz anywhere in the world.
They are the aggressors everywhere.
Enough is enough.
OT for Chuckles: according to The Washington Post, Rep. Giffords’ shooter was a registered INDEPENDENT. Not the fauxtoshopped Republican fat boy bought into.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/house/jared-lee-loughner-was-a-regis.html
So pathetic…..
@ Crashnburn01:
Was he suckered by the screenshot that spelled Tucson correctly, at least?
@ Speranza:
We’ll see if the bills fixing to be proposed in the House and Senate get any traction. It certainly shouldn’t pass the House. It’ll also be interesting to see what Obama does or doesn’t do with executive orders. As things stand, there are already too many gun control laws on the books. All they do is violate the rights of the law abiding. They certainly didn’t stop this guy.
@ coldwarrior:
Thanks! I’ve emailed those links to myself for later reading.
eaglesoars wrote:
Just about anything written about the Balkans prior to the 1990′s.
For an excellent look at the Balkans in the runup to WWII (and you cannot understand the Balkan issue today without understanding what went on there in WWII) Rebecca West’s “Black Lamb and Grey Falcon” is an excellent book.
The Time Life Illustrated History or WWII, which is broken up into individual slim volumes about that conflict has a volume called “The Partisans” which was my introduction to the subject. It’s pretty good in exposing the atrocities of the Croat Fascist “Ustashe” but is heavily biased towards Tito’s communists and gives Mihailovic’s Serbian Royalist Chetniks the short shrift and does not talk much about the Bosnian Muslim Waffen SS units.
The Forgotten 500 is a good book about US Army Air Corps pilots rescued from the Nazis and the Ustashe by Mihailovic’s Chetniks.
There are a number of good books about Haj Amin Al-Husseini, the Mufti of Jerusalem who organized the Bosnian Muslim and Albanian Muslim Waffen SS divisions in the Balkans for the Nazis.
The Nazi Connection to Islamic Terrorism by Chuck Morse
Icon of Evil: Hitler’s Mufti and the Rise of Radical Islam by David Dalin and John Rothman
The following books critically examine the role of Islam in the current Balkan conflicts:
Unholy Terror: Bosnia, Al-Qaeda and the Rise of Global Jihad
The Coming Balkan Caliphate by Chris Deliso (Julia Gorin recommends)
I can’t emphasise it enough, start with WWII and it will go a long way to increasing your understanding of the conflicts there and who the real “good guys” and “bad guys” are there. I am sure 1389 would have you start earlier, but WWII is a good starting point and will point you to both the past and the present.
@ mawskrat:
The Serbs used to guard the Northern Borders of the East Roman (Byzantine) Empire in the 900′s, 1000′s and 1100′s.
@ coldwarrior:
This is weird. I clicked on one of those old links that you put up in # 8 above. I was scrolling thru the comments from that old thread and then had to wander off to take a phone call. I came back and the post that I was looking at said “Rush Limbaugh taken to the hospital with chest pains”. I clicked the link and there I was looking at a news story from over a year ago. I thought “WTF?” Anyhoo, I’m OK now. Call off the ambulance.
@ The Osprey:
Thanks Osprey. I already know a good deal about WWII as my dad was a pilot in the European theater so I’ve studied it quite a bit (Currently reading “Hitler’s First War” and “When Money Dies”. I’ve read, Hitler’s Mufti. I’ve read “Defiance’, but that’s really centered in Belorussia. Of the current – or recent conflicts – I’ve read Anna Politkovskay’s “A Small Corner of Hell” and a few others whose titles I can’t recall.
But for the rest I’ve emailed your post to myself too. Thanks
@ eaglesoars:
Correct. There are many Dutchies setteling down in Norway. They usually go to smaller communities along the coast, I believe. And these communities have special programs in place for attracting the Dutch, because the natives are leaving for the cities and the Dutch are well educated and highly adaptable people. But the official reason the Dutchies give for migrating is wanting more nature and space. Or rather “shhpace”.
@ coldwarrior:
hey cw, if you’re still here
when is the next blogmoc talk radio show
Osprey and Cold Warrior
What do you think about Balkan Ghosts: A Journey Through Historyby Robert Kaplan?
On the Thread Topic, I opposed Clinton’s adventures in the Balkans on the principle that if Clinton was for it I should most likely be againbst it. That principle would rarely lead you astray. The more I have learned, the more correct that has seemed to be. Clinton’s Wag-the-Dog in Kosovo violated long-standing international norms of not interfering in secessionist movements until they had won the war of their secession that go back at least to the American Civil War. We didn’t interfere in the various spin-offs of the old Soviet Union, we haven’t (so far, at least) done anything to encourage the Kurds in Kurdistan to break off into their own nation (though Plugs Biden wanted us to), nor have we gotten involved in the Sudan’s bloody civil war. Clinoton infamously hid the bloodshed in Rwanda from the view of Americans until it was too late to do anything about it. Why, then, interfere in the Balkans? It was certainly a mistake.
ot
auborn vs oregon
war eagle!{vol fan rootin for the sec}
@ Iron Fist:
I thought the rationale was a fear of history repeating itself in a way. Balkan issues had ignited the Great War, etc. And the impression that the European powers would do nothng to stop a slaughter that this time might spill over.
@ Iron Fist:
My view on the our Balkans adventure is simply this: The problem was in the Euros’ back yard. If it was such a big deal, why didn’t they take care of it? I am tired of bailing out Europe. 3 times in the last century is more than enough. As far as I’m concerned they can sink or swim on their own.
huckfunn wrote:
Hey, stop that. I like piggy back rides.
rain of lead wrote:
Indeed. Last college came of the season.
Go War Eagles!
@ eaglesoars:
That is a reason to stay out of it, not get in it. Unless World War I was your Idea of a good time. There were no US interests in the Balkans. There were Democrat political interests in getting us into a war so that maybe the House would drop impeachment…
Beeduwine wrote:
No doubt. Ya’ll been riding the piggy for about 100 years. This hog is worn out.
Levin just played a clip of Sheriff Dufnick pontificating that Rush is responsible for the massacre. LOL
Isn’t this officer of the law supposed to be looking for evidence of a connection btw the killer and the murdered victims that can be used in ct?
He is off the rails? He is worse than schumer trying to get in front of a camera and his his own nonsense and the press is letting him run wild. This is going to backfire.
@ Iron Fist:
Agreed. But I thought the US interest was in keeping Europe in peace and Europe had shown no stomach for taking care of it.
At least, that’s the way I remember it.
@ huckfunn:
they are the auborn TIGERS
war eagle is their war cry
picky I know comming from a vol fan but my best friend is an auborn
fan and we’ve been picking on each other for 30 yrs
Speranza wrote:
She wants to repeat what happened in the Balkins right here in the US. She hates us Americans and wants to see us punished…
chickadee wrote:
At this level Sheriff Dufnick is just another two-bit politician sucking up to the MFM.
@ chickadee:
Oh, it already has.
Jared Loughner is a product of Sheriff Dupnik’s office
chickadee wrote:
this is so gonna bite this sherif in the ass in a big way fast
http://moelane.com/2011/01/10/did-dupnik-dismiss-loughner-threat/
It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County.
But if it comes out that the Sheriff’s office was aware of the threats, and did not act on them, then Clarence Dupnik needs to stop blaming the Right for the murder of six people and start blaming himself. Because Sheriff Dupnik is not in office to, say, fight partisan battles over state immigration policy: he’s in office to keep the peace. If he’s forgotten that, the voters will be happy to remind him.
chickadee wrote:
One more Democrat about to lose thier job.
I honestly think if we fix our government by putting real people in office, it will go a long way to fixing the world’s problems, too.
@ eaglesoars:
damn, the folks on this blog are so gooood
@ eaglesoars:
Isn’t THAT interesting.
Iron Fist wrote:
The Balkan situation was a difficult situation to understand by the American public back in the 90s, or even today, since it was never explained in understandable terms. The Clinton administration seized upon the imagery of “Serbs as Nazis” via stories and videos of Croats being loaded into boxcars. That image stuck and it does to this day. Once one is tagged with the Nazi image, deserved or not, that image is hard to erase.
Our insertion in the Balkan mess, particularly considering the administration’s profound ignorance of the reality was a tragic mistake. To this day, “Serb” is equated with Nazi; recently, I even saw a TV show that dealt with this situation and I’ll give you one guess as to who was the villian and what the plot line was.
rain of lead wrote:
We are all paid to do this, by Big Oil.
It’s good to know that the demonrats believe that gun control is a dead issue nowadays…
Lautenberg to reintroduce gun-ban bill
rain of lead wrote:
We stand on the shoulders of giants……
And all that good stuff.
Hey, wanna see cognitive dissonance in action?
Cue Krissie Matthews portraying the U.S. as gun crazed.
He’s right.
It’s every couple of days.
rain of lead wrote:
Damn right we are!!
Yeah, the stupid oaf is saying: over there, over there, it’s the Tea Party, Right Wingers. Conservatives, Gun Nuts. . . . . . ummm it’s Rush Linbaugh, yes, that’s the ticket, Rush did it, , ,
LOL.
Sure it is anyone but this worthless lefty sheriff and his derelict dept. that knew all abt. this nut job maniac.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
Good News!
hmmmmm
look to the oversea media to get it
Blaming Sarah Palin for Arizona Shooting Is Wrong
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,738627,00.html
Indeed, the massive criticism of Sarah Palin is misguided. This is not only due to the fact that the accusation is baseless, but also because the calculated attempt to weaken Palin in this manner could ultimately backfire.
The reasoning is quite simple: Palin has always profited in the role of victim — a victim of the liberal elite. Time and again, she has been made fun of — when, for example, she spoke for the first time about foreign policy during the 2008 presidential campaign, and later when she wrote notes on her hand during speeches and television appearances. But every time people made fun of the Alaska politician or attacked her as being superficial and unqualified, it merely helped deepen the support of her followers. Now, the allegation that she carries partial responsibility for what has happened in Arizona could turn out to do more to help than harm her.
Yet again, she could emerge as a political martyr.
{gee, ya think.}
@ Prebanned:
In a roundabout way it is.
@ rain of lead:
If that sheriff investigated complaints and filed the paperwork, Laughner probably would not have been able to get a gun. Lobo probably knows for sure what excludes you from getting a hand gun.
I’m going to say g’nite. Time to get back to my reading – and a nice glass of chardonnay.
Sleep tite, infidels.
To me this is the fundamental question on the Bosnian War: If this is correct:
they made it so.
@ eaglesoars:
The Sheriff squeaks loudly indicating he internally knows he is more to blame
rain of lead wrote:
Right you are! Off to the game.
Later
@ rain of lead:
go Auburn….and I’m a Bama fan
SEC ROCKS
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
Heck Ya! Democrats being Democrats. 2012 begins now. I heard all the stories on that cable channel that is similar to NPR, about the poor oppressed muslims of Kosovo. It does not make a whole lot of sense now that I know what islam is all about.
oh snap
the grass on the field that they are playing on was grown in
….Oregon…..
conspiracy
I demand a recount
the test was rigged
false positive
the bitch set me up
bushpalinlimbaugharrrgggghhhhhhhhh
/lefty tinfoil moonbat hat off
@ rain of lead:
Dude…you’re gonna have a stroke.
may the Ducks get *ucked
jus sayin
@ rain of lead:
may the QB for the Ducks get a lot of grass on his ass
Prebanned wrote:
Right on!!
I’m not going to walk around on egg shells just because I “might” set off an unstable moonbat. Hells Bells. I want to set off as many moonbats as I can and laugh my ass off watching them self-destruct. Is that being too mean?? I certainly hope so.
@ NoThreat2U:
HEY!
I took the hat off
@ mawskrat:
I think the tigers are gonna just pound the hell out of the ducks
snowcrash wrote:
If he had actually been charged with something and brought into the system, they would have seen how crazy he was, and he would have ended up in a padded room, at least for awhile.
THAT would have gone into the NICS database.
@ rain of lead:
You had me worried there for a second. lol
the game is in az
they had of moment of silence for the victims
now God bless America
our {southern} cheerleaders are prettier
@ Da_Beerfreak:
You only have to pick off 5% of the most rational blue dog Dems to make a difference.
The more concentrated the loony bin becomes, the less it will appeal to the true mainstream.
Dear Senator Lautenberg:
Bullets are inert projectiles, commonly made out of lead. You don’t load them into a magazine.
And yes, it is called a magazine, not a clip.
Dipshit.
Wow! They just let a bald eagle fly around inside the stadium!
@ waldensianspirit:
that was the war eagle
Auburn does that for every game
he’s a bit of a showoff
@ lobo91:
I got one that uses stripper clips.
Prebanned wrote:
I can load my M1A using stripper clips.
But the cartridges (not bullets) go into the magazine when I do…
@ rain of lead:
Eagle vs Duck…… I’ll take the Eagle
@ mawskrat:
heh
from wiki
Auburn’s third eagle arrived in Auburn in November 1960 after being captured by a cotton farmer in Curry Station, Talladega County, Alabama who found the bird caught between two rows of cotton. The eagle was sent to Auburn by the Talladega County Agent along with a load of turkeys. It was first taken to the Alpha Tau Omega fraternity house where it refused a cold chicken leg but made fast work of a live chicken.
@ Prebanned:
Mosin? Enfield? SKS?
OT – I just got home and have been catching up on the news. Then I read this at the tail end of an article I was reading about Jared Lee Loughners appearance:
Meanwhile, the leader of Westboro Baptist Church, an anti-gay Kansas-based church best known for picketing the funerals of slain U.S. soldiers and gay-pride gatherings, said its members will picket the funerals of the 9-year-old girl and five others killed in Saturday’s attack. In a video, Fred Phelps says God sent the shooter to avenge the nation’s sins.
“Thank God for the violent shooter,” Phelps proclaims.
“We will remind the living that you can still repent and obey. This is ultimatum time with God.”
lobo91 wrote:
Doesn’t really give a damn about being accurate. The folks he is speaking to know even less the he does.
Crap! Block quoted the wrong part…
savages_girl wrote:
Playing HTML tag again??
You’re it.
@ savages_girl:
Yes. They’re solidifying their number one slot as the premier pariah.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
Is he the one looking to ban “high capacity ammunition?”
@ Brick:
That’s just sick!
(still trying to copy and paste to next thread…)
Speranza wrote:
If there were any realistic chance of America admitting its sins and hewing a little closer to the right path from now on, I wouldn’t feel so much need to call for secession. Thus far, I have seen absolutely NO signs of any backtracking on the anti-Serb policy, nor on any other pro-Muslim policy that the federal government has espoused.
doriangrey wrote:
That represents a most unwarranted bitterness on your part.
What happened in the Kosovo War, the US/NATO/EULEX occupation, and the “independence” that followed, has nothing to do with any demand for independence on the part of the legitimate residents of Kosovo. Kosovo was majority Christian Serb until first the Nazis, then the Tito regime, persecuted them, drove them out, and encouraged Albanians to come in to replace them.
How would you like it if, for example, the federal government were to force the State of Arizona and the rest of the Southwest to accept an unlimited influx of criminal gang members from Mexico; then, after the criminal gangs have completed their takeover and virtually all of the original population has fled, they were to grant the criminal gangs their own “nation” of “Aztlan” in the Southwest?
waldensianspirit wrote:
No, the wrongdoing of the Clinton Administration has been continued by the George W. Bush and Obama administrations. We are looking at bipartisan sins here.
@ 1389AD:
It does seem we backed the wrong horse here.
waldensianspirit wrote:
I remember reading later that a lot of the supposed Muslim “dead” turned up alive and well in military duty rosters in other units later on, on voter rolls, and so forth.
In addition, nobody wants to admit that those Muslims who actually were killed were felled during a fighting retreat – they had not surrendered, they were combatants, and they were fair game for Serbs to pick off.
Iron Fist wrote:
There was one other motivation besides that: to appease Muslim oil interests, some of whom, like Osama bin Laden, had their noses out of joint because of US involvement in the first Iraq war.
We saw how well that worked out.
1389AD wrote:
If there were any realistic chance of America admitting its sins and hewing a little closer to the right path from now on, I wouldn’t feel so much need to call for secession.
That represents a most unwarranted bitterness on your part.
It’s also 100 percent accurate.
@ doriangrey:
Once again, can YOU come up with some effective way, other than secession, of stopping the federal government from selling us all out to our Muslim enemies?
I am still trying, but nothing seems to be working thus far.
@ doriangrey:
For the record, no, I do not hate Americans.
I neither said, nor did I intend to imply, that I wanted myself and other Americans to be punished because of our government’s wrongdoing in the Balkans and our government’s appeasement of Islam. I am simply predicting that everything will go poorly for the US and the EU until we admit that this policy is wrong and we change it. If your government does things that are wrong, then you and the rest of the citizenry will be dragged along into the bad consequences of what your government did.
1389AD wrote:
How and where?
Never forget how much the islamists are sinning
I’m a Federalist and believe that if the States don’t take a stand to protect their own Sovereignty from the overreaching National Government in Washington DC, then there is nothing to prevent the United States from becoming another France.
(And just as useless)
President George W Bush didn’t go into Iraq because of Jews but because the first Gulf War wasn’t over. Yet the nation building part wasn’t and never will be compatible with islam
@ waldensianspirit:
My guess would be the continuation of the muzzi appeasement.
waldensianspirit wrote:
By continuing the anti-Serb, pro-Muslim policy in the Balkans. According to the UN cease-fire resolution (I know, nothing done under UN auspices has any validity in real life, but still…) Serbia was to maintain sovereignty over Kosovo, and Serb troops were to be allowed back in to Kosovo to guard Christian churches, monasteries, cemeteries, and so forth. Instead, the GWB Administration not only ignored the UN resolution, but also continued its support of the kangaroo-court trials in The Hague, and shut its eyes to the ongoing persecution, expropriation, and slaughter of the Serbs in Kosovo (including the organ theft scandal cited here).
Under both GWB and Obama, Muslim immigration and infiltration of the US has continued unabated, while nothing is done anywhere in the world to protect Christians.
waldensianspirit wrote:
No, he did not go in there because of Jews. He went in there because he had bad advisers who were damfool enough to think that Muslims can be dealt with any other way than at sword point.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
Secession is pretty much the “nuclear option.” Keeping the possibility on the table may make it unnecessary to actually use it.
In other words, if the States CAN secede if they want to, and are prepared to leave en masse if there is no further alternative, then they may be able to force the federal government to start respecting the Tenth Amendment.
waldensianspirit wrote:
That is why appeasing islamists is always a sin.
@ 1389AD:
That’s the way I see it. Without the “threat” of Secession there is no real Federalism and the 10th Amendment is meaningless along with the whole idea of Enumerated Powers.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
In a manner of speaking, the ability to secede, for a State, is analogous to the Second Amendment on the level of individual citizens. It’s a protection against tyranny.
@ 1389AD:
We are more or less on the same page here. It’s too bad some folks just don’t get it.
The goal is to break up the Washington DC power grab before it breaks up the Union.
In my own opinion, I think that there will be a serous call for a Constitutional Convention before there is any real consideration of Secession.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
I just hope that happens before we find ourselves living under de facto or, God forbid, de jure shari’a law in much of the US.
People in various “no-go” zones in Europe never thought such a thing could happen in their countries, but it did…
@ 1389AD:
If the left pushes shari’a law on us, I think we’ll see more States going the Nullification route. Especially Western Red States.
1389AD wrote:
That could very well be the future of the Blue States. Big Blue Cities already are having problems with the muzzi invasion. e.g. Minneapolis, Detroit, and a bunch of others…
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
With Detroit and some other shrinking cities, the disappearance of their industrial base (both because of local leftist rule and bad federal tax and regulatory policy that has been driving business overseas) has led to a hostile, foreign-born and heavily Islamic population with little or no legitimate employment prospects that is living on the dole. Much like the no-go areas in France and elsewhere.
But they reliably vote for the left-wing politicians…
@ 1389AD:
1389AD wrote:
Don’t forget the unions. For the reasons you describe, and the unions, I will never again buy a Detroit made vehicle.
huckfunn wrote:
Of course, now we have an administration that is entirely bought and paid for by the unions…for a very long time, they’ve been just another form of organized crime IMO
@ eaglesoars:
Nothing you read here.
BTW, It took all of thirty seconds to find. Can I expect you all to have a thread blindly believing this too?
Jews harvest Gentiles’ organs
Got’a agree with bweep here. I don’t put any more faith in the Kosovo story than I do in the crap claiming the Evil JOOOOOOZ did/do the same thing.
If there was some level of proof that’d be one thing but there isn’t and playing it up here just makes us look stupid.
Mark