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Obamacare to determine what benefits are covered

by Rodan ( 125 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Democratic Party, Elections 2010, Elections 2012, Healthcare, Liberal Fascism, Progressives, Socialism, Tranzis at January 11th, 2011 - 8:30 am

The Progressives promise that  Obamacare doesn’t mean a government takeover of health care. This is a total lie as many companies are seeking waivers from the law since they can’t afford the mandates. Health care costs are skyrocketing as  insurance companies are forced to increase what they cover. The Federal government is imposing what is needed to be covered, hence de facto control over the system.

WASHINGTON — Even as House Republicans vow to repeal the health care law, government advisers are preparing this week to wade into one of the most contentious questions the legislation raises: What benefits must insurers cover?

The answer will affect tens of millions of Americans beginning in 2014: those who buy their own insurance and those who get coverage through small employers.

While the law outlines 10 broad categories of coverage — among them hospital and emergency services, prescription drugs, childbirth and pediatric care — it leaves specifics to the government.

Read the rest: Feds to decide what benefits health insurers must cover

Joe Wilson said it it best, they lied. Barack Hussein Obama and his Khmer Rouge like Progressive cronies lied about the intentions of this law. It’s not about health care, it’s about control over people’s lives. It is an early step to the Left’s long cherished goals of eugenics and population control. The means to achieve this is to force private insurers out of business and then the government will be the only provider in town. That was their goal all along and we are seeing the plan implemented before our eyes.

Addendum: The Face of Evil

Radical totalitarian Progressive with a bible Fred Phelps is an evil human being. Here is his comments on the tragedy that occurred in Arizona.

This is the face of evil!

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  1. 1 | January 11, 2011 8:37 am

    It’s not about health care, it’s about control over people’s lives.

    That is exactly correct, just as gun control has nothing to do with crime, or even spree shooters, but is about controling the citizens and abridging their fundamental rights.


  2. MikeA
    2 | January 11, 2011 8:40 am

    Guess they finally decided to read the darn thing and figure out what all those 2000+ pages really mean.


  3. Macker
    3 | January 11, 2011 9:06 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    It’s not about health care, it’s about control over people’s lives.

    That is exactly correct, just as gun control has nothing to do with crime, or even spree shooters, but is about controling the citizens and abridging their fundamental rights.

    Hence, my statement to Sheriff Dupnik and To The People of Pima County.


  4. vagabond trader
    4 | January 11, 2011 9:08 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Better believe it. This entire sh*tpile is nothing more than a crack in the door to universal care,whether we proles want it or not.


  5. 5 | January 11, 2011 9:08 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Progressives are all about control. Eugenics is there goal and Pol Pot’s Cambodia was their testing ground.


  6. 6 | January 11, 2011 9:09 am

    @ vagabond trader:

    This is their goal.


  7. Macker
    7 | January 11, 2011 9:09 am

    @ Rodan:

    Good Morning Rodan! How was your vacation?


  8. vagabond trader
    8 | January 11, 2011 9:13 am

    Everyone in congress who enthusiastically voted for he11care should be the first to try it on for size.


  9. 9 | January 11, 2011 9:14 am

    Macker wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Good Morning Rodan! How was your vacation?

    It was exhausting, I took another day off.


  10. 10 | January 11, 2011 9:14 am

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Everyone in congress who enthusiastically voted for he11care should be the first to try it on for size.

    Many of them were voted out!


  11. Macker
    11 | January 11, 2011 9:14 am

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Everyone in congress who enthusiastically voted for he11care should be the first to try it on for size.

    As Congresswoman Giffords continues to recover and regains her life, I would hope and pray she reconsiders her support of this abomination.


  12. citizen_q
    12 | January 11, 2011 9:18 am

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Everyone in congress who enthusiastically voted for he11care should be the first to try it on for size.

    Unless they had to throw it out and I missed it, they themselves were explicitly exempted. That speaks volumes.


  13. Nevergiveup
    13 | January 11, 2011 9:19 am

    This is nothing new. Determinations of what a “Health Insurance” package will cover, while balancing both coverage and cost has been going on for ever. It’s always been done by the private carriers with varying degrees of Government interference or directive. What is new here is that the Federal Government will make those determinations themselves apparently without any recourse or appeal. But that is what Obamacare is all about, so nobody should be surprised. This is what the Dems and those few SOB Rhinos voted for.


  14. vagabond trader
    14 | January 11, 2011 9:20 am

    @ Rodan:

    Not enough in the senate. :sad:

    @ citizen_q:

    sure does.


  15. vagabond trader
    15 | January 11, 2011 9:23 am

    Phelps and his radical progressive clan of haters will be dealt with by G-d. Methinks they are going to be rather surprised,if they believe at all.


  16. 16 | January 11, 2011 9:24 am

    @ vagabond trader:

    Not enough in the senate.

    That’s becasue of idiotic candidates like Angle and Buck.


  17. 17 | January 11, 2011 9:25 am

    @ Nevergiveup:

    But that is what Obamacare is all about, so nobody should be surprised.

    We knew it was coming, its just they lied and claim that wouldn’t be the case. Most Americans knew it was a lie and now the real agenda is coming out.


  18. rain of lead
    18 | January 11, 2011 9:27 am

    @ Rodan:

    hey Rodan, when is the next blogmoc talk radio?


  19. Nevergiveup
    19 | January 11, 2011 9:28 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    But that is what Obamacare is all about, so nobody should be surprised.

    We knew it was coming, its just they lied and claim that wouldn’t be the case. Most Americans knew it was a lie and now the real agenda is coming out.

    They didn’t really lie. The used a non-denial denial. Anyone with even a quarter of a brain knows you don’t get free lunch.


  20. vagabond trader
    20 | January 11, 2011 9:29 am

    @ Rodan:

    We could’ve done better,Reid should’ve been ousted,and that fake Blumenthal should not have been elected,even in CT.


  21. Nevergiveup
    21 | January 11, 2011 9:34 am

    My classmate from DCO School is FOX News now. Congressman Tim Murphy who is a Physcologist from the Pittsburgh Area.


  22. 22 | January 11, 2011 9:36 am

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    My classmate from DCO School is FOX News now. Congressman Tim Murphy who is a Physcologist from the Pittsburgh Area.

    Wow, interesting.

    I’ll let Cold know about this.

    You are well connected!


  23. 23 | January 11, 2011 9:37 am

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    We could’ve done better,Reid should’ve been ousted,and that fake Blumenthal should not have been elected,even in CT.

    Lets hope we don’t make this mistake in 2012.


  24. Nevergiveup
    24 | January 11, 2011 9:37 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    My classmate from DCO School is FOX News now. Congressman Tim Murphy who is a Physcologist from the Pittsburgh Area.

    Wow, interesting.

    I’ll let Cold know about this.

    You are well connected!

    Not really. He was just in my class.


  25. 25 | January 11, 2011 9:38 am

    @ rain of lead:

    Wednesday night.


  26. rain of lead
    26 | January 11, 2011 9:39 am

    @ Rodan:

    cool


  27. 27 | January 11, 2011 9:42 am

    Check out DOD!

    Into The Spudfryer: The Devo of Chuck


  28. citizen_q
    28 | January 11, 2011 9:44 am

    @ vagabond trader:
    It is a mystery to me as well. There are a bunch of others in that same boat that mystify me as well.

    I could not believe that Fox interviewed charlie rangle yesterday about the Tuscon massacre. Are they that out of ways to keep this story going that they have to so scrape the bottom of the barrel? Even after his ethics convictions they still give him credibility, using him as a source imputes undeserved credibility. Wasn’t he just re-elected? No wonder, short term memory, no honor, and thus no real consequences for one’s actions.


  29. Speranza
    29 | January 11, 2011 9:44 am

    I could personally throttle Fred Phelps.


  30. huckfunn
    30 | January 11, 2011 9:45 am

    @ Rodan:

    It’s not about health care, it’s about control over people’s lives. It is an early step to the Left’s long cherished goals of eugenics and population control.

    If the Environmental Progressive Agency can regulate CO2, the gas that we all exhale, is there any aspect of our life that they can’t control?


  31. Speranza
    31 | January 11, 2011 9:46 am

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    We could’ve done better,Reid should’ve been ousted,and that fake Blumenthal should not have been elected,even in CT.

    Angle was the worst possible candidate for Nevada GOP to run (especially since Lowden and Tarkanian were far more formidable – that you Tea Party Express) and I don’t understand Connecticut for the life of me.


  32. huckfunn
    32 | January 11, 2011 9:57 am

    @ Speranza:
    Why’d you kill the thread? :mrgreen:


  33. m
    33 | January 11, 2011 9:58 am

    @ Speranza:

    I’d like to see every last one spend some time in a ring on Bully Beatdown. Fitting.


  34. chickadee
    34 | January 11, 2011 9:59 am

    I was talking with a woman from Romania the other day. She said, “oh sure we have FREE health care but you better have plenty of money to ‘tip’ the doctors, nurses etc. or you wait.”
    That’s human nature, right?
    There is no free lunch and this is how gov. imposed social engineering sorts itself out.
    Money talks.


  35. The Osprey
    35 | January 11, 2011 10:00 am

    Hopefully by next week the hysteria will have died down and we can get back to the important work of derailing this monstrosity.

    Hopefully.


  36. 36 | January 11, 2011 10:01 am

    @ Macker:

    Works for me. It is pretty clear that he was trying to deflect responsibility from himself. This punk should have been in a mental institution. He rather obviously was a danger to others, if not himself.


  37. 37 | January 11, 2011 10:03 am

    @ m:

    Agree with you!


  38. The Osprey
    38 | January 11, 2011 10:03 am

    Speranza wrote:

    I could personally throttle Fred Phelps.

    Phelps is a shiny thing put up to distract you from the real problem, the MSM. Phelps is disgusting, but seriously, how many people does he really influence? He’s the Charles Johnson of fundamentalist ministers. The right despises him and the left doesn’t trust him.

    It is best to counter his protests locally but otherwise ignore him. We have bigger fish to fry.


  39. 39 | January 11, 2011 10:05 am

    @ vagabond trader:

    Blumenthal is the real puzzle. Reid didn’t get ousted, but the real story there was that he was in danger at all. Majority Leader is usually safe in the Senate. Blumenthal, though, is a Vietnam Vet proven liar. Y’all get what you deserve if he crashes your state into the ground, just like I have no mercy for California (uber alles!) for re-electing Jerry Brown. He began the destruction so he might as well be there to finish the job he started?


  40. RIX
    40 | January 11, 2011 10:07 am

    Obama will address the nation today about the shootings.
    There have been pundits all over talking about how
    he should “position” his message.
    They are saying that the White House is still meeting
    to get the message right for his “Oklahoma City” moment.
    The effort is clearly to exploit the tragedy to rehab BHO.


  41. 41 | January 11, 2011 10:07 am

    @ Rodan:

    We couldn’t have taken the Senate, anyway. It is more important that we have 41 solid Republicans in the Senate than that we have a weak “majority” made up of enough RINOs to pass Obama’s Agenda.


  42. huckfunn
    42 | January 11, 2011 10:08 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ vagabond trader:

    Blumenthal is the real puzzle. Reid didn’t get ousted, but the real story there was that he was in danger at all. Majority Leader is usually safe in the Senate. Blumenthal, though, is a Vietnam Vet proven liar. Y’all get what you deserve if he crashes your state into the ground, just like I have no mercy for California (uber alles!) for re-electing Jerry Brown. He began the destruction so he might as well be there to finish the job he started?

    I was actually hoping that he would win. Kolifornia will unravel during his term. No sense in having a pachyderm take the hit.


  43. citizen_q
    43 | January 11, 2011 10:09 am

    RIX wrote:

    Obama will address the nation today about the shootings.
    There have been pundits all over talking about how
    he should “position” his message.
    They are saying that the White House is still meeting
    to get the message right for his “Oklahoma City” moment.
    The effort is clearly to exploit the tragedy to rehab BHO.

    Isn’t he due for another vacation?

    I dread his speechifying.


  44. Macker
    44 | January 11, 2011 10:11 am

    The Osprey wrote:

    He’s the Charles Johnson of fundamentalist ministers. The right despises him and the left doesn’t trust him.

    Gotta admit that I didn’t think of him like that before!


  45. huckfunn
    45 | January 11, 2011 10:11 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    Isn’t he due for another vacation?

    I dread his speechifying.

    Over due, I think. Mark Steyn refers to Ohole’s speechifying as “leaden sludge”.


  46. 46 | January 11, 2011 10:11 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I wanted Reid gone!

    That’s the one I’m really mad about.

    Anyway, Let’s hope the Senate GOP is as tough as the House ones.


  47. 47 | January 11, 2011 10:13 am

    @ The Osprey:

    He’s the Charles Johnson of fundamentalist ministers. The right despises him and the left doesn’t trust him.

    That’s a good analogy.


  48. RIX
    48 | January 11, 2011 10:13 am

    @ citizen_q:

    Isn’t he due for another vacation?

    I dread his speechifying.

    Whatever he says, people like Chris Matthews will get
    all tingly.
    He will speak from the heqart with a teleprompter.


  49. 49 | January 11, 2011 10:14 am

    @ huckfunn:

    He’s raising taxes.


  50. The Osprey
    50 | January 11, 2011 10:15 am

    @ Rodan:

    Could be worse. We could have Reid gone but Dems still in control with Chucky Schmucky Schumer as Senate Majority leader.


  51. 51 | January 11, 2011 10:16 am

    @ The Osprey:

    That actually would of been funny. He’s so crazy and would be the perfect villain. He’s nasty and rude.


  52. The Osprey
    52 | January 11, 2011 10:17 am

    @ RIX:


  53. 53 | January 11, 2011 10:18 am

    @ RIX:

    I am going to be real interested in what he says. This really is a make or break moment for him, and if he goes Left, he will lose the Country. He is dispicable for having desired an Oklahoma City moment (or even a 9-11 moment when they could have again reminded us how peaceful and benevolent the Muzz are), but he is going to try and gin this one into it, whether or not ir really deserves such noteriety. It would have been nice for him to have done something substantive after teh Ft.Hood massacre, you know, maybe even state that Mohammedan Terrorism is unacceptible, but he hadn’t lost a big election then.


  54. huckfunn
    54 | January 11, 2011 10:19 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    I wanted Reid gone!

    That’s the one I’m really mad about.

    Anyway, Let’s hope the Senate GOP is as tough as the House ones.

    Reid’s pre-election poll numbers were within the margin of fraud. After the election I looked at the voting numbers for Clark County (Las Vegas) and they are totally counter to the pre-election polls and demographics.


  55. huckfunn
    55 | January 11, 2011 10:19 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    He’s raising taxes.

    Nooooo! //


  56. The Osprey
    56 | January 11, 2011 10:20 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ The Osprey:

    That actually would of been funny. He’s so crazy and would be the perfect villain. He’s nasty and rude.

    The one Dem the right was able to successfully “Alinskyize” was Pelosi. We might have been able to do that with Schumer. But he may have been able to accomplish a lot of damage in the meantime. I can’t think of anyone more hostile to the 2nd Amendment than Schumer. I would not want him in that position in the aftermath of this shooting, where he would be in front of the cameras tubthumping for gun control 24/7.


  57. The Osprey
    57 | January 11, 2011 10:21 am

    I wish Obama would just go golfing like he does during every other crisis and stay the hell away from Arizona.


  58. chickadee
    58 | January 11, 2011 10:22 am

    RIX wrote:

    Obama will address the nation today about the shootings.
    There have been pundits all over talking about how
    he should “position” his message.
    They are saying that the White House is still meeting
    to get the message right for his “Oklahoma City” moment.
    The effort is clearly to exploit the tragedy to rehab BHO.

    He is going to try to present himself as a deeply concerned father-like leader. He doesn’t do that very well. He is too much of a shallow cold hearted narcissistic opportunist. I don’t think he has the gravitas to pull it off showing compassion.
    Watch how he will try to contort his face to show how deeply he is affected by the “tragedy.”
    Because he doesn’t feel real emotions, he has a lot of trouble making his expressions fit situations that would easily be reflected on the faces of normal people.
    The best he will be able to muster is looking down his nose in a condescending way and doing a half frown.


  59. RIX
    59 | January 11, 2011 10:23 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I am going to be real interested in what he says. This really is a make or break moment for him, and if he goes Left, he will lose the Country.

    I think that he will play this cool & act as the Comforter
    in Chief.
    I don’t think that he will want to look political, he
    has the other Dems to say “Palin did it.”


  60. chickadee
    60 | January 11, 2011 10:23 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:

    Isn’t he due for another vacation?

    I dread his speechifying.

    Over due, I think. Mark Steyn refers to Ohole’s speechifying as “leaden sludge”.

    LOL, I love Mark Steyn.
    “leaden sludge”
    perfect


  61. huckfunn
    61 | January 11, 2011 10:23 am

    Gotta work on some work. See ya’ll later.


  62. The Osprey
    62 | January 11, 2011 10:24 am

    @ chickadee:

    He doesn’t do “I feel your pain” as convincingly as Bubba Clinton. That may be our saving grace here.


  63. huckfunn
    63 | January 11, 2011 10:24 am

    chickadee wrote:

    LOL, I love Mark Steyn.
    “leaden sludge”
    perfect

    Steyn’s great! I wish he had his own radio show.

    Out….


  64. RIX
    64 | January 11, 2011 10:26 am

    @ chickadee:

    Because he doesn’t feel real emotions, he has a lot of trouble making his expressions fit situations that would easily be reflected on the faces of normal people.
    The best he will be able to muster is looking down his nose in a condescending way and doing a half frown.

    Right, the guy is insipid, but the media will just
    eat it up with spoons.


  65. citizen_q
    65 | January 11, 2011 10:31 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ chickadee:
    Because he doesn’t feel real emotions, he has a lot of trouble making his expressions fit situations that would easily be reflected on the faces of normal people.
    The best he will be able to muster is looking down his nose in a condescending way and doing a half frown.
    Right, the guy is insipid, but the media will just
    eat it up with spoons.

    And I will just fart in his general direction.

    Ulp! I hope the epa won’t be after me for my gratuitous release of CO2 and methane!


  66. chickadee
    66 | January 11, 2011 10:36 am

    @ The Osprey:
    Yeah, he was pretty slick and without a prompter.
    I bet zero needs constant personal reassurance that he isn’t an imbecile because he can’t function without his crutch/prompter.


  67. 67 | January 11, 2011 10:36 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    Gotta work on some work. See ya’ll later.

    You evil Bastage… :razz:


  68. chickadee
    68 | January 11, 2011 10:37 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ chickadee:

    Because he doesn’t feel real emotions, he has a lot of trouble making his expressions fit situations that would easily be reflected on the faces of normal people.
    The best he will be able to muster is looking down his nose in a condescending way and doing a half frown.

    Right, the guy is insipid, but the media will just
    eat it up with spoons.

    Many Americans won’t be impressed.


  69. RIX
    69 | January 11, 2011 10:40 am

    @ citizen_q:

    And I will just fart in his general direction.

    Ulp! I hope the epa won’t be after me for my gratuitous release of CO2 and methane!

    Prepare for your reeducation.


  70. 70 | January 11, 2011 10:42 am

    @ The Osprey:

    He was a slick con man.


  71. RIX
    71 | January 11, 2011 10:43 am

    @ chickadee:

    Many Americans won’t be impressed.

    True, but many others will just accept the MSM view.
    They will just assume that they somehow missed
    the Dear Leaders fabulousness.


  72. The Osprey
    72 | January 11, 2011 10:43 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ The Osprey:

    He was a slick con man.

    Classic Southern grifter…and I say that as someone with Southern roots…


  73. citizen_q
    73 | January 11, 2011 10:44 am

    RIX wrote:

    Prepare for your reeducation.

    :-)


  74. Macker
    74 | January 11, 2011 10:46 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Президент Оба́ма will never lose the entire Country. His black constituents will still support him.


  75. 75 | January 11, 2011 10:47 am

    @ The Osprey:

    Huckabee is the GOP’s version of Bill Clinton, minus the personal issues.


  76. 76 | January 11, 2011 10:47 am

    This may be a bit OT, but you’re my friends and with friends I like to share and seek councel.

    I’ve (finally) chosen to quit smoking. With my health issues, it’s a matter of major foolishness (stupidity) to continue.

    To that end, I’ve added a journal to my blog; it’s a way of keeping me honest, and sharing a big, and difficult, step in my life.

    My first installment:

    Chantix Days One and Two


  77. 77 | January 11, 2011 10:47 am

    @ Rodan:

    In the end, though, Al Gore proved the superior snake oil salesman. Gore almost managed a government take-over of the entire economy in the name of Global Warming®, and he was set to siphon off his skim in the process. That would have in time made him the richest man in the world, no doubt. It only failed bcause his “science” was so poor tat a fifth grader could hav torn it apart, but even then had an insider not leaked the information about how bogus the “science” was ad got it on he internet he probaly would have gotten away wit it. As it is, he made a huge killing on his snake oil anstayed out of the penitentuary in the process. not bad for a decade’s worth of swallowing shit…


  78. The Osprey
    78 | January 11, 2011 10:49 am

    Macker wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    Президент Оба́ма will never lose the entire Country. His black constituents will still support him.

    He can’t win with just the blacks and hard core lefties. He has to win back the soccermoms. That’s what this AZ trip is all about. He’s got to have his OKC-Oprah moment. I’m hoping he’s too stiff to pull it off, unable to be that warm mushy “Ah feel yore pain!” Bubba Clinton.


  79. The Osprey
    79 | January 11, 2011 10:49 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ The Osprey:

    Huckabee is the GOP’s version of Bill Clinton, minus the personal issues.

    Yup. They are both Arkansas grifters!


  80. 80 | January 11, 2011 10:50 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Good luck. I’ve quit drinking, which was no fun at all, but I’ve heard smoking is worse. You just have to keep focused on your goals. At least that is what does it for me. There has to be something more important in your life than the addiction. Focus on that.


  81. Macker
    81 | January 11, 2011 10:52 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ The Osprey:

    Huckabee is the GOP’s version of Bill Clinton, minus the personal issues.

    And hopefully minus this too! NSFW!


  82. The Osprey
    82 | January 11, 2011 10:52 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    SouthPark destroyed Al Gore’s credibility by mocking him with ManBearPig. After that came out it became fashionable to ridicule him…before that he was a “martyr” for having lost the “stolen” election to the evil Boosh.


  83. 83 | January 11, 2011 10:53 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    There has to be something more important in your life than the addiction. Focus on that.

    For me, I think that focus is life itself. If you’ve had one stroke, you’re more likely to have another. I really don’t want to go back there.


  84. chickadee
    84 | January 11, 2011 10:53 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Good for you, MacDuff.
    Hang in there you can do it.
    And your lungs and heart and everything else will thank you.
    :D


  85. The Osprey
    85 | January 11, 2011 10:53 am

    Macker wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ The Osprey:

    Huckabee is the GOP’s version of Bill Clinton, minus the personal issues.

    And hopefully minus this too!

    Ugh. NSFW


  86. Macker
    86 | January 11, 2011 10:54 am

    @ The Osprey:

    Perhaps he could say “I feel yo’ pain! w0rd!


  87. chickadee
    87 | January 11, 2011 10:55 am

    The Osprey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ The Osprey:

    Huckabee is the GOP’s version of Bill Clinton, minus the personal issues.

    Yup. They are both Arkansas grifters!

    If the mfm foists Huckie on us and the GOP falls for it, I’m done.


  88. 88 | January 11, 2011 10:55 am

    @ Macker:

    That is true, but they can only carry him so far. He’ll also have a core of Leftists, although his support there is dwindling because he isn’t Left enough. I will be very interested to see if he comes out with a call for new gun control coming out of this shooting, or if he leaves that to die in the House and Senate. I think that without Presidential pressure, nay, leadership, there is no way for new gun control to pass the House. I doubt Obama could shepherd it through, but it will be interesting to see if he even tries. Mara Liasson last night said that the Democrats had written gun control off. We are going to see.


  89. Macker
    89 | January 11, 2011 10:56 am

    @ The Osprey:

    Fixed.


  90. 90 | January 11, 2011 10:57 am

    @ MacDuff:

    That is a good thing to focus on. My grandmother qit smoking cold turkey when he heart surgeon told her if she didn’t he wasn’t going to bother doing her bypass. That focused her mind something fierce :P


  91. RIX
    91 | January 11, 2011 10:58 am

    Just a thought, If all of these Dem Pols & left pundits
    think that the langusage used my Palin, Limbaugh and
    others creates violence, why are they ginning up the
    rhetoric against Palin & Limbaugh?
    Following their logic, aren’t they inviting violence
    against them?


  92. The Osprey
    92 | January 11, 2011 11:00 am

    Zombie: Jared Loughner’s favorite band:

    According to a Tweet by a former classmate of Loughner’s, one of his favorite bands was Anti-Flag. For those not familiar with the punk-rock scene, Anti-Flag are one of the best-known leftist/progressive/socialist/anti-patriotic punk bands:

    Anti-Flag is a punk rock band from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in the United States, formed in 1988, and known for its outspoken political views. Much of the band’s lyrics have focused on fervent anti-war activism, criticism of United States foreign policy, corporatism, U.S. wealth distribution, and various sociopolitical sentiments. … Anti-Flag is known also for their advocacy of progressive political action groups such as Greenpeace and Amnesty International.

    The most recent protest they performed at was outside the Republican National Convention in 2008; they were supposed to be the last band to play but they had been touring with Rage Against The Machine and had decided it would be a good idea to get them involved since they had a long history of getting involved in related events. When officials found out they were going to perform, they shut down the stage’s power and the band performed two songs using megaphones.

    They also regularly support political organisations which include:

    Democracy Now!, the latest headlines from which can be found on the band’s homepage.

    PETA, who were one of the sponsors of their 2010 ‘The Economy Sucks Let’s Party’ tour.

    Amnesty International, to which the band donated money from the sale of The People and the Gun, have supported for a long time and who were one of the sponsors of their 2010 ‘The Economy Sucks Let’s Party Tour’.

    Greenpeace, with whom the band worked in order to persuade world leaders to attend the climate conference in Copenhagen and who were one of the sponsors of their ‘The Economy Sucks Let’s Party Tour’.

    Useless, whom they sold screen-printed limited-edition T-shirts with to raise money The Kandorwahun project, while raising awareness and visibility for Useless.

    The band’s song “Die for your government” was sung by anti-war protesters who briefly blocked a road to prevent US troops from deploying to Iraq in August 2010. They have appeared in the 2010 music documentary Sounds Like A Revolution, about new protest music in America.


  93. 93 | January 11, 2011 11:00 am

    RIX wrote:

    Following their logic, aren’t they inviting violence
    against them?

    Their logic, nothing. They are inciting violence against them. The Left would go into collective orgasm if Rush or Palin were shot. You know they would.


  94. RIX
    94 | January 11, 2011 11:02 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Five years ago I was where you are. 72 hours & it is cleansed
    from your blood. After that you deal with the psychological
    aspect.
    Take one day at a time. Each day is a victory & they start
    adding up.
    You’ll do it!


  95. The Osprey
    95 | January 11, 2011 11:03 am

    “Communist propaganda became even more disgusting, brazen-faced, and insolent. Even in the times of the perestroyka, the more Communism failed, the more the media praised its economic and social achievements. Everyone knew it was lies, including the propagandists.”

    “But the goal was not convincing people anymore, nor changing their minds.”

    “The goal was to provoke them to anger, and ultimately to rebellion. The more abusive, openly lying, disgusting the Communist governments became, the better the chance for the people to revolt. The government had its human shields to protect it from such an insurrection – the police, the gendarmerie, the secret police. The goal was to get some of those human shields killed by those who couldn’t bear it anymore. Once some of the pawns got killed, the governments could find an excuse to use full-fledged violence against the “hooligans,” and thus destroy the opposition before it was too late.”
    from The Left’s Last Gamble — Bojidar Marinov


  96. Macker
    96 | January 11, 2011 11:04 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Following their logic, aren’t they inviting violence
    against them?

    Their logic, nothing. They are inciting violence against them. The Left would go into collective orgasm if Rush or Palin were shot. You know they would.

    Especially selrahC.


  97. RIX
    97 | January 11, 2011 11:05 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Their logic, nothing. They are inciting violence against them. The Left would go into collective orgasm if Rush or Palin were shot. You know they would.

    Oh yeah, they would. Violence agianst anyone that they
    support makes them outraged. Against people that they
    oppose? Not so much.


  98. citizen_q
    98 | January 11, 2011 11:05 am

    RIX wrote:

    Just a thought, If all of these Dem Pols & left pundits
    think that the langusage used my Palin, Limbaugh and
    others creates violence, why are they ginning up the
    rhetoric against Palin & Limbaugh?
    Following their logic, aren’t they inviting violence
    against them?

    Given the hypocrisy on the issue and the projection, they are busy dehumanizing their opponents. They are laying the ground work. Dehumanizing a group is the first step to making violence or some other oppression palatable.


  99. Nevergiveup
    99 | January 11, 2011 11:06 am

    Fox just said that they brought in a “world Famous” Neurologist to see this Congress person. Oh and I am sure they will do that for everyone under ObamaCare right? Right? Right? Right?


  100. Macker
    100 | January 11, 2011 11:06 am

    OFF TOPIC: Goodbye to T&AT’s exclusivity to the iPhone!


  101. chickadee
    101 | January 11, 2011 11:07 am

    RIX wrote:

    Just a thought, If all of these Dem Pols & left pundits
    think that the langusage used my Palin, Limbaugh and
    others creates violence, why are they ginning up the
    rhetoric against Palin & Limbaugh?
    Following their logic, aren’t they inviting violence
    against them?

    They get a pass on this because they have demonized us enough that we are a legitimate target.
    They have a right and a duty to destroy us.

    That is what we are up against. This monstrous orwellian distortion that the progs have created.

    It is disgusting how they freely and openly engage in this b.s. We need to fight them on their terms.


  102. Macker
    102 | January 11, 2011 11:08 am

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Hence my earlier comment.


  103. citizen_q
    103 | January 11, 2011 11:09 am

    @ RIX:
    BTW, I would also consider loss of lively hood a kind of violence. A standard feature of the left’s attacks against those with whom they disagree is to try and get them fired from their jobs.


  104. RIX
    104 | January 11, 2011 11:10 am

    @ citizen_q:

    Given the hypocrisy on the issue and the projection, they are busy dehumanizing their opponents. They are laying the ground work. Dehumanizing a group is the first step to making violence or some other oppression palatable.

    They really have dehumanized their opponents. People
    that oppose the Left are not just inept & stupid, but
    evil & a blight on humanity.


  105. RIX
    105 | January 11, 2011 11:12 am

    @ chickadee:

    They get a pass on this because they have demonized us enough that we are a legitimate target.
    They have a right and a duty to destroy us.

    That’s what they have in common with their pet muslims,
    moral superiority.
    What they fail to realise is that the RoPers hate them
    the most.


  106. 106 | January 11, 2011 11:13 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Of course they are inciting violence. They all view themselves as these noble revolutionaries (until someone well-trained and with a better weapon is shooting back at them, that is).
    You know damn well that the principle governing their rhetoric and behavior is “Repeat the lie often and loudly enough, and it will become truth”. Hence, repeated accusations of violence thrown at the “rightwingnutjobs”, paving the way for “leftwingnutjobs” to get away with violence. It’s not going to happen, of course, because many people are aware of propaganda techniques and can recognize them for what they are. Still, it is amusing to watch the idiots try.
    If they get their “revolution”, it will be over in no time — as soon as they see one of their little greasy, emaciated, drug-ridden revolution-buddies drop dead with his head vaporized and feel the splatter of what used to be his skull all over their face. These are dumb spoiled overgrown children we are talking about. They only spew their crap and do what they do because they believe they are safe.


  107. RIX
    107 | January 11, 2011 11:14 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ RIX:
    BTW, I would also consider loss of lively hood a kind of violence. A standard feature of the left’s attacks against those with whom they disagree is to try and get them fired from their jobs.

    Yes they do.


  108. 108 | January 11, 2011 11:19 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Five years ago I was where you are. 72 hours & it is cleansed
    from your blood. After that you deal with the psychological
    aspect.
    Take one day at a time. Each day is a victory & they start
    adding up.
    You’ll do it!

    Yeah, I’ll do it; the thought of another stroke is some pretty good motivation – a cane can be cool, but drooling in a wheelchair, not so much. I’m kind of up against the eight ball.

    The Chantix, I believe, will work. In just the second day, the smokes just don’t feel as good, and “The Urge” seems to lessen progressively. Yeah, it’s a crutch, but it’s not “nicotine replacemnet”. It works on the receptors in your brain and that seems a logical recourse. It’s expensive, but my Fed health plan pays it in full.

    I’m keeping a journal on my blog (to keep me honest – the written word is “sacred” to me). If there’s anyone out there who may be struggling with this, you may want to research it.

    Thanks for the reassurance, RIX!


  109. chickadee
    109 | January 11, 2011 11:22 am

    @ RIX:
    Precisely. They will be the first silenced by the chop chop. Look what the mullahs in iran did to their mfm, commies and human rights advocates.
    Also stalin, hitler, mao, pol pot, all the totalitarians go after these people first.


  110. 110 | January 11, 2011 11:22 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    @ MacDuff:
    Five years ago I was where you are. 72 hours & it is cleansed
    from your blood. After that you deal with the psychological
    aspect.
    Take one day at a time. Each day is a victory & they start
    adding up.
    You’ll do it!
    Yeah, I’ll do it; the thought of another stroke is some pretty good motivation – a cane can be cool, but drooling in a wheelchair, not so much. I’m kind of up against the eight ball.
    The Chantix, I believe, will work. In just the second day, the smokes just don’t feel as good, and “The Urge” seems to lessen progressively. Yeah, it’s a crutch, but it’s not “nicotine replacemnet”. It works on the receptors in your brain and that seems a logical recourse. It’s expensive, but my Fed health plan pays it in full.
    I’m keeping a journal on my blog (to keep me honest – the written word is “sacred” to me). If there’s anyone out there who may be struggling with this, you may want to research it.
    Thanks for the reassurance, RIX!

    Good luck…


  111. 111 | January 11, 2011 11:23 am

    it leaves specifics to the government.

    Be nice if we got to decide, not the Feds, not the States, not even my damn company, but me. If they ran it like cell phones where everyone picked their own calling plan and companies competed with each other the cost curve would be driven down like, say, it did with cell phones. Imagine what cell phones would cost if AT&T was still a monopoly or worse if the government controlled it. Look for them to try and get their hands on our phones after they take control of the internet.


  112. RIX
    112 | January 11, 2011 11:23 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Thanks for the reassurance, RIX!

    De nada, you strike me as someone who will slay
    the beast, not the other way.
    Good for you!


  113. 113 | January 11, 2011 11:24 am

    @ doriangrey:

    Thanks, Dorian. Even cyber friends are good to have!


  114. 114 | January 11, 2011 11:25 am

    @ MacDuff:
    Cheers to you for quitting smoking. From one quitter to another: you can do this. It’s a bitch for a while, but it gets easier with time.


  115. RIX
    115 | January 11, 2011 11:26 am

    chickadee wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Precisely. They will be the first silenced by the chop chop. Look what the mullahs in iran did to their mfm, commies and human rights advocates.
    Also stalin, hitler, mao, pol pot, all the totalitarians go after these people first.

    The Left likes all of the things that the Muzz hate us for.
    Look at the idiots in Hollywood, always defending the RoP.
    The Imams preach against Hollywood!


  116. 116 | January 11, 2011 11:29 am

    @ PrincessNatasha:

    Spasiba, Princess!


  117. RIX
    117 | January 11, 2011 11:30 am

    Later gators


  118. chickadee
    118 | January 11, 2011 11:31 am

    @ MacDuff:
    My grampa didn’t quit smoking until he was 70 years old. It is never too late to start a healthy life style.
    btw he made to almost 100.
    :D
    Hang in there.


  119. 119 | January 11, 2011 11:33 am

    chickadee wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Precisely. They will be the first silenced by the chop chop. Look what the mullahs in iran did to their mfm, commies and human rights advocates.
    Also stalin, hitler, mao, pol pot, all the totalitarians go after these people first.

    The imbeciles who support totalitarian Marxist regimes always manage to convince deceive themselves into believing that they are somehow special and immune to the homicidal violence inherent in totalitarian Marxist regimes.

    Their insanity is in believing that since they share the ideological beliefs of those who will rule over them that that shared belief will protect them from the violent purges required to subjugate the rest of the population.

    It therefore become inconceivable to them that they themselves could possible be seen as a threat to the regime that they are supporting. When one considers the violence and rhetorical hatred levels required to impose such regimes on a society the level of their insanity becomes breathtaking.


  120. 120 | January 11, 2011 11:38 am

    PrincessNatasha wrote:

    They only spew their crap and do what they do because they believe they are safe.

    Indeed. If they really thought we were as potentially violent as they claim we are potentially violent, they wouldn’t risk pissing us off the way that they do. Witness how they treat the (undeniably violent) Muzz.


  121. chickadee
    121 | January 11, 2011 11:39 am

    @ doriangrey:
    Exactly and well said.
    It also shows how fundamentally messed up the left is in its ability to think and act rationally.
    How could they be trusted in any way whatsoever, to govern, to lead, to make decisions of any kind?
    They are dangerous to themselves and others.


  122. 122 | January 11, 2011 11:40 am

    chickadee wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    My grampa didn’t quit smoking until he was 70 years old. It is never too late to start a healthy life style.
    btw he made to almost 100.

    Hang in there.

    Thank you Chickadee! I think this program will do it for me, as long as as I have the fortitude to see it through, and I do. Life is all about fortitude, and this is no less.


  123. 123 | January 11, 2011 11:45 am

    @ doriangrey:

    Well said. Whenever this political ideaolgy rears its ugly head, they always say “this time it will be better, this time it will work”, altogether blind to the fact that the evils that inevitably manifest themselves aren’t just a bug, they’re an inherent feature to the system itself.


  124. 124 | January 11, 2011 11:59 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Well said. Whenever this political ideaolgy rears its ugly head, they always say “this time it will be better, this time it will work”, altogether blind to the fact that the evils that inevitably manifest themselves aren’t just a bug, they’re an inherent feature to the system itself.

    Yup, the sheer insanity of claiming that, it wasnt done right, or the right people didnt do it is genuinely mind-numbing. More importantly, what is utterly staggeringly mind boggling is the degree of self inflicted ignorance these people embrace with regards to just how many times Marxism has been tried, 70 plus times since it’s inception, and amazingly every single time it has produced the exact same results.

    No, it really isnt the “Who” it genuinely is the basic fundamental principals of Marxism that generate it’s results. The most basic and fundamental principal of Marxism is, “The end justifies the Means” it simply cannot be over stressed that the core ideology of Marxism is why every single time it has been attempted it has produced the exact same results, unparalleled bloodshed and incomprehensible misery.


  125. 125 | January 11, 2011 10:29 pm

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