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Hezbollah gearing up for another round

by Flyovercountry ( 142 Comments › )
Filed under Hezballah, IDF, Islam, Islamists, Israel, Leftist-Islamic Alliance at January 17th, 2011 - 2:00 pm

I found a very interesting article written by Michael Totten. Hezbollah and really the rest of the Islamofaciasts have been employing a strategy for years on how to eventually destroy Israel.  They attack, lose, regroup, refortify, and attack again.  While they continue this cycle unbroken, they indoctrinate their children to hate all Jews through the most insidious form of child abuse known to any civilized society.  These children are so thoroughly unable to even think critically about a peaceful coexistence by the time they are young adults, it may very well be that it will take another two generations before the concept has any chance of working.

Watch a couple of clips of Palestinian TV and bear in mind that this is meant for children.

I’ll end it with a compilation clip with music added.

In the mean time, the hapless U.N. inspectors, known as Unifil, fail to notice that Hezbollah has quadrupled their missile capabilities since the end of the last war.  As a part of the end of the last war, and as a condition of Israeli withdrawal, The U.N. and the rest of the world promised Israel that Hezbollah would not be permitted to rearm itself.  Here we are though, a scant 4 years later and they are firing across the border, armed with 50,000 missiles once again.  Israel was blamed by the world’s biased media last time around.  Will that be any different this time?  Especially now that we see Hezbollah is clearly arming itself for another unprovoked attack.  Get ready for more fraudulent reporting like this.

The hardest part of this to understand is that we’ve all seen this movie before.  The islamists are masters at painting themselves as victims.  The Israelis, while they are much more representative of our values, morals, and peaceful in intention, are also lousy at the public relations game.  It is a shame too.  Israel is our only true ally in the region.  They are the sole Democracy and trading partner who is actually seeking to enrich us as a result of that trade rather than use the trade as a means to destroy our nation.  They share our values of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.  They share our values of respect for life, and seeking to allow people to live freely in an open civilization.  The islamists, if Israel would ever be defeated, would seek to destroy us next.

Here are some of the more interesting passages from the Totten article.

“Four years ago you could easily see Hezbollah positions and bunkers from here,” she said. “Now you can’t. Hezbollah pretends to respect United Nations Security Council Resolution 1701, but that’s just their public face. Their posts are now hidden in houses and mosques.”

So, they are purposefully hiding weapons in schools with children and in Mosques.

Hezbollah had 10,000 rockets before the war in 2006. Now it has between 40,000 and 50,000. Some are stored in warehouses. Others are hidden away a few at a time in private homes.

This is a clear contradiction of Resolution 1701.

“They’re storing huge amounts of C2 explosives next to clinics, schools, and mosques,” she said. “It’s terrible that Hezbollah is doing all this in civilian areas and sabotaging the new order in Lebanon. It’s sad, not just for Israel, but also for Lebanon.”

What will be the world reaction when in the course of defending herself, civilians are accidentally harmed.  History has shown that the Israelis will receive most of the blame.

Can you imagine Hamas or Hezbollah investigating their fighters and punishing them if they harmed Israeli civilians? The very idea is absurd. The whole point of firing missiles at cities and sending suicide bombers into restaurants and onto busses is to murder as many civilians as possible. These aren’t just acts of terrorism. They’re war crimes.
“If we get complaints about the intentional targeting of civilians, we have to investigate,” she said. “Our soldiers often take it personally and get angry. They resent being investigated after being ordered to go to war and risking their lives. I understand why they feel that way, but we have to do this. It’s not just important because of all the international pressure. It also matters for the health of our society.”

In the end Hezbollah will target civilians specifically, and Israel will try to not harm any civilians.  The political left in this country will defend Hezbollah and demonize Israel.  The press will agree, as they have been shown to be irredeemably biased in so many other instances.  One more exit question, if you please.  How did a nation like Lebanon, which at one time was a majority christian, become about 65% Muslim today?  Do you believe that happened peacefully, or by other means?

(cross posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative)

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142 Responses to “Hezbollah gearing up for another round”
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  1. Nevergiveup
    1 | January 17, 2011 2:08 pm

    What your saying is mostly correct. But I can assure you that if Hezbellah or Hamas every hits a large population center ( read Tel Aviv ) and kills and wounds a large number of Israelis, that all bets are off and Israel will strike back viscously.


  2. m
    2 | January 17, 2011 2:11 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    It’s sad that it would take that for Israel to finally strike back. It’s sad that the world blames Israel for even thinking about protecting herself.

    Fucked up all the way around.


  3. Nevergiveup
    3 | January 17, 2011 2:14 pm

    m wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    It’s sad that it would take that for Israel to finally strike back. It’s sad that the world blames Israel for even thinking about protecting herself.

    Fucked up all the way around.

    Yes it is, but what did it take the USA to finally “do something” about Islam ( no matter how we worded it ): 3000 dead? And that lesson is wearing off as we speak and unfortunately it will take another attack to refocus us?


  4. mfhorn
    4 | January 17, 2011 2:15 pm

    The Jihad bear/bee/rabbit/God only knows what else indoctrination of ‘Palestinian’ kids, including that young, hate-filled girl, is some of the worst mental child abuse I can imagine.

    If video like that of young kids being indoctrinated into a Klan mentality, it would very rightly be condemned. Pali-vision’s indoctrination is ignored or blamed on the Jooooos.


  5. m
    5 | January 17, 2011 2:17 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Yeah, I’m not sure that we ever will “do something” about Islam. All we seem to do is elevate it above all.

    It’s sickening.


  6. vagabond trader
    6 | January 17, 2011 2:17 pm

    The UN is complicit with the hezzies and every other child and woman abusing muzz sh*thole in their membership.If Israel were truly the immoral apartheid murdererss they are accused of being,their problems would no longer exist.


  7. vagabond trader
    7 | January 17, 2011 2:20 pm

    @ m:

    If something major happens during the bho reign,he’ll lay the blame on us. Guaranteed.


  8. 8 | January 17, 2011 2:20 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    I am not sure, but I would add that I hope you are correct. In my mind, meaning to kill civillians and actually killing them should garner the same response. the fact that the rockets have had limited effectiveness in the past is merely a function of aim. Ehud Olmert attempted to shoot the moon in the last war, and he succeeded in collecting the bitch and 12 hearts. It was the fear of public opinion which convinced him to allow Nasrallah to emerge from under the rock which he was hiding. Israel is in a tough place. Surrounded and outnumbered, and with a majority of a biased worldwide media stacked against her, She can not continue to play this game of stalemate forever. Israel must one day defeat this enemy. She must do so on no uncertain terms.


  9. Nevergiveup
    9 | January 17, 2011 2:24 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    meaning to kill civillians and actually killing them should garner the same response. the fact that the rockets have had limited effectiveness in the past is merely a function of aim.

    Well that is probably true about intent, but in the real world, results usually matter more. And I can Assure you that if there are significant Israeli casualties, things will change. There were even reports that if in the first Gulf War that if Iraq had used chemical or biological weapons on Israel, Israel was prepared to Nuke Iraq. There will NOT be another unanswered Holocaust. The aim of Hezbelahs rockets is still not much better, they just have more of them and with greater range.


  10. citizen_q
    10 | January 17, 2011 2:24 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Yes it is, but what did it take the USA to finally “do something” about Islam ( no matter how we worded it ): 3000 dead? And that lesson is wearing off as we speak and unfortunately it will take another attack to refocus us?

    Unfortunately and officially we are not doing anything about islam, except self-inoculating the tumor by allowing and inviting muslims into our country ,and letting it metastasize. islam the religion of peace, a tiny minority of extremists who have hijacked the peaceful religion of islam, war are not a war with islam, etc…. Garbage! Islam is at war with us, even as we pretend we are not at war with it.

    Instead we have the so-called war on terror, a tactic rather than enemies who employ it.

    It is sickening to have to wait for a huge enough atrocity to be perpetrated before acting.


  11. 11 | January 17, 2011 2:25 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    One of the things Totten points out in his article is that at least some of the Unifil members are well intentioned. the problem is threefold. Some of them are complicit with Hezzies. Some are incompetent, and the organization as a whole is toothless. In any case, it stands as a shining example of another failed U.N. venture.


  12. citizen_q
    12 | January 17, 2011 2:26 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    Effectively is the UN anything more than the OIC, Russia and China?


  13. 13 | January 17, 2011 2:29 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    We didn’t even do anything about Islam.It became some spread democracy crusade and we let the 2 main culprits,Iran and Saudi Arabia off the hook.We continued to let them in, support Islamic regimes and treat them with special status.

    You once said it will take the loss of an American city for us to take the gloves off. I am afraid you are right!
    :-(


  14. lobo91
    14 | January 17, 2011 2:31 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ vagabond trader:
    Effectively is the UN anything more than the OIC, Russia and China?

    The General Assembly is controlled by the OIC and the African shitholes, because of numbers.


  15. 15 | January 17, 2011 2:31 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    After 9/11 the President at the time said Islam was peace. That hand cuffed us right there. US troops created a SHaria state in Iraq. This is crazy!

    Back on Topic, Israel will have to fight dirty with Hizballah. No mercy to be shown to any South Lebanese Shia. I hope they have the balls to do what it takes. I feel Israelis are too humane and are a good hearted people to do what is needed. I hope I am wrong.


  16. 16 | January 17, 2011 2:32 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Don’t forget the 3rd World Liberation regimes in Latin America as well.


  17. Nevergiveup
    17 | January 17, 2011 2:32 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    It is sickening to have to wait for a huge enough atrocity to be perpetrated before acting.

    It sure is


  18. citizen_q
    18 | January 17, 2011 2:32 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    You once said it will take the loss of an American city for us to take the gloves off. I am afraid you are right!
    :-(

    And I am afraid that with bho as Commander In Chief, even that would not be enough.

    I would expect only the mother of all apology tours.


  19. 19 | January 17, 2011 2:34 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    It’s really sad. Its stuck in my head what you said about the loss of an American city. I live in Tampa, that’s where Centcom is. It could be mine.

    :-(


  20. 20 | January 17, 2011 2:36 pm

    How did a nation like Lebanon, which at one time was a majority christian, become about 65% Muslim today? Do you believe that happened peacefully, or by other means?

    That wht Moamedan haven foooAerica, f e let tem do it. Hell, right now we are helping them do it. We are importing Mohammedans like they actually brought something important to the country from their Third World hell-holes. Lie we need to larn from their cultures. Fuck that.


  21. coldwarrior
    21 | January 17, 2011 2:36 pm

    nice religion ya got there mo.


  22. chickadee
    22 | January 17, 2011 2:36 pm

    mfhorn wrote:

    The Jihad bear/bee/rabbit/God only knows what else indoctrination of ‘Palestinian’ kids, including that young, hate-filled girl, is some of the worst mental child abuse I can imagine.

    If video like that of young kids being indoctrinated into a Klan mentality, it would very rightly be condemned. Pali-vision’s indoctrination is ignored or blamed on the Jooooos.

    What these barbarians are doing to their children is pure evil.
    That the mfm does not jump to expose this, 24/7 really shows how low the propaganda arm of the left is willing to go. Throwing in with monsters like this and actively running interference for them. The left is as insidious as these muzz scum they are bedding down with.
    There will be a lot of blood letting when these various nasty groups start fighting each other to get to the top. The muzz will crush them without mercy. Look how little compassion they have for their own children.


  23. buzzsawmonkey
    23 | January 17, 2011 2:36 pm

    OT:

    Finally found the link to the profile of MLK’s commie pal. It’s at #205 (I think) on the prior thread, for anyone who’s interested.


  24. 24 | January 17, 2011 2:36 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    That wht Moamedan haven foooAerica, f e let tem do it.

    Let me translate that. That is what the Mohammedans have in store for America, if we let them do it. Damn…


  25. Nevergiveup
    25 | January 17, 2011 2:39 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    It’s really sad. Its stuck in my head what you said about the loss of an American city. I live in Tampa, that’s where Centcom is. It could be mine.

    Well if it makes ya feel any better I think they would come after a bigger ticket city like NYC, LA, or Chicago.


  26. 26 | January 17, 2011 2:41 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    That wht Moamedan haven foooAerica, f e let tem do it.
    Let me translate that. That is what the Mohammedans have in store for America, if we let them do it. Damn…

    And indeed the rest of the world. Their scripture tells them that they must defeat the Jews first, but it will not end there. their aim, is to do it to the whole world. I for one, intend to fight against this. I, and my daughters would make lousy Muslims. I like beer, and my daughters are insubordinate mouthy little kids. Come to think of it, there ain’t much about the Muzzie life style that I admire.


  27. Nevergiveup
    27 | January 17, 2011 2:43 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    I like beer, and my daughters are insubordinate mouthy little kids. Come to think of it, there ain’t much about the Muzzie life style that I admire.

    The foods not bad


  28. lobo91
    28 | January 17, 2011 2:45 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Nevergiveup:
    It’s really sad. Its stuck in my head what you said about the loss of an American city. I live in Tampa, that’s where Centcom is. It could be mine.
    Well if it makes ya feel any better I think they would come after a bigger ticket city like NYC, LA, or Chicago.

    Yes, they would.

    They’re interested in mass civilian casualties, and big TV coverage.


  29. mfhorn
    29 | January 17, 2011 2:46 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    You once said it will take the loss of an American city for us to take the gloves off. I am afraid you are right!

    And I am afraid that with bho as Commander In Chief, even that would not be enough.
    I would expect only the mother of all apology tours.

    Apologies not only from Teh Won, but from the media, ‘Code Pink’ and the rest of the left-wing contingent. And plenty of blame being assigned to Bush, the Tea Party & Sarah Palin for hurting their feelings to the point the felt the need to ‘lash out’.


  30. 30 | January 17, 2011 2:46 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Yeah, but you never know who fucked your goat before they cooked it…


  31. citizen_q
    31 | January 17, 2011 2:47 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    What these barbarians are doing to their children is pure evil.

    A higher evil is done by those excoriate Israel for self-defense, while ignoring this brainwashing that makes it necessary. This is just TV. Jew hatred is indoctrinated in schools and mosks. Those same people will also blame Israel for not making good-will gestures to the paleo-stinkians.


  32. chickadee
    32 | January 17, 2011 2:48 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    It is sickening to have to wait for a huge enough atrocity to be perpetrated before acting.

    This is especially true when the muzz have told us exactly what they intend to do when they get the capability. They have spelled it out so often.
    How absurd to say, “Oh they can’t possibly mean it.”

    We don’t need another 9-ll to know they mean it. Look at all the muzz terrorism around the world.
    I’m hoping that Allen West will open the much over due discussion on the rop.


  33. 33 | January 17, 2011 2:50 pm

    @ mfhorn:

    Apologies not only from Teh Won, but from the media, ‘Code Pink’ and the rest of the left-wing contingent. And plenty of blame being assigned to Bush, the Tea Party & Sarah Palin for hurting their feelings to the point the felt the need to ‘lash out’.

    Nail on the head. We made them attack us, because we were mean in the way we went about the business of defending ourselves against the last attack. After all, there is no evil and all societies are just equal, and they are disaffected.

    Did I miss anything? Allowing the narrative to be played this way is one of our most egregious mistakes.


  34. Nevergiveup
    34 | January 17, 2011 2:51 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Yeah, but you never know who fucked your goat before they cooked it…

    That’s what the Beer is for


  35. 35 | January 17, 2011 2:52 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    There can be no peace, ever with these barbarians. You have to understand, while we here in America are learning “Jesus Loves Me” in Sunday school (or religion-appropriate nursery-rhyme song), these freaks are teaching their kids “We hate Americans and Jews. Death to America! Death to the Jews!” It is that ingrained in their so-called culture. And we aren’t allowed to condemn that, laws, no! That would be mean of us! We have to be accepting and tolerant! *spit*


  36. mawskrat
    36 | January 17, 2011 2:52 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    never buy a used goat from a shady Muslim


  37. citizen_q
    37 | January 17, 2011 2:54 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Yeah, but you never know who fucked your goat before they cooked it…

    Just don’t buy your goats from a different village.

    If I remember how the rule goes bestiality is ok, you just can’t eat the poor citter once you’ve had your way with it. But you can sell it for consumption in another village.

    Behold! The wonders of sharia!


  38. lobo91
    38 | January 17, 2011 2:55 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ Nevergiveup:
    Yeah, but you never know who fucked your goat before they cooked it…
    That’s what the Beer is for

    I didn’t know goats liked beer…
    //


  39. Nevergiveup
    39 | January 17, 2011 2:55 pm

    Well my daughter had an emergency in Israel yesterday. It was almost fatal. It seemed her cell phone malfunctioned! Seemed her charger was kaput. But I guess she borrowed someone else’s because all is right in the world again.


  40. 40 | January 17, 2011 2:55 pm

    @ chickadee:

    Who is supposed to chair the hearings into Mohammedan terrorism? It isn’t Peter King, is it? Because I have no confidence whatsoever in that motherfucker…


  41. 41 | January 17, 2011 2:56 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    How did a nation like Lebanon, which at one time was a majority christian, become about 65% Muslim today? Do you believe that happened peacefully, or by other means?

    As someone who is biologically 1/4 Lebanese I can tell you how this happened. In the 20′s-60′s. Syrians (Sunnis) and Iraqis (Shiites) moved to Lebanon becasue there were labor shortages. Meanwhile the Christian Lebanese began to immigrate to Latin America and the US. The Muzzies had more kids and were given Lebanese citizenship, while the Christians enjoyed the high life and immigrated in hopes of greener pastures. Add in the Palestinian refugees who were allowed in by Lebanon as a good will gesture to the Arab world since Lebanese Christians at the time felt surrounded by Arabs and the demographics changed.

    There was a chance to undue this in 1982 when the IDF and The Christian Lebanese Forces were on the verge of total victory, but the the US to get Said support against the Russians in Afghanistan used The Shatilla incident were a few hundred Muzzie scum were killed as an excuse to make Israel back down. Then to get Syrian support against Iraq in 1990, supported the Syrian takeover. Then in 2000 Ehud Barack sold out the Christian SLA and withdrew Israeli troops from South Lebanon.

    That’s how the Muzzies rul Lebanon. The Christians let them in for cheap labor, The uS supported their takeover and Israel made a mistake. It was a combination of reasons.


  42. Buckeye Abroad
    42 | January 17, 2011 2:56 pm

    OT: U.S. anger over BP ‘getting into bed with KGB’ over £5bn Arctic oil deal

    BP faced a mounting backlash on both sides of the Atlantic last night over its controversial deal to sell a £5billion stake to the Russian government.

    America’s real ally, France, could not be reached for comment.


  43. 43 | January 17, 2011 2:56 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    How long is she there?


  44. lobo91
    44 | January 17, 2011 2:56 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ chickadee:
    Who is supposed to chair the hearings into Mohammedan terrorism? It isn’t Peter King, is it? Because I have no confidence whatsoever in that motherfucker…

    yes, it is.


  45. Nevergiveup
    45 | January 17, 2011 2:56 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ chickadee:

    Who is supposed to chair the hearings into Mohammedan terrorism? It isn’t Peter King, is it? Because I have no confidence whatsoever in that motherfucker…

    Why? Peter King is a good old boy


  46. 46 | January 17, 2011 2:57 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ Nevergiveup:
    Yeah, but you never know who fucked your goat before they cooked it…

    That’s what the Beer is for

    <— Throws Brink at Nevergiveup… How dare you even joke about defiling beer in such an evil manner…


  47. Nevergiveup
    47 | January 17, 2011 2:58 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    How long is she there?

    11 days. She has been there with me but this is her first organized tour with other kids her age ( 21)


  48. Nevergiveup
    48 | January 17, 2011 2:59 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ Nevergiveup:
    Yeah, but you never know who fucked your goat before they cooked it…

    That’s what the Beer is for

    <— Throws Brink at Nevergiveup… How dare you even joke about defiling beer in such an evil manner…

    It has alcohol in it which is a disinfectant and when your drunk enough, you’ll eat anything ( like last call at a bar?).


  49. 49 | January 17, 2011 2:59 pm

    mawskrat wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    never buy a used goat from a shady Muslim

    Do they make any other kind? They are all as crooked as a 100 year old con-man. We should have cut off all Mohammedan immigration on 12 September 2001, and never allowed it to start back up.


  50. 50 | January 17, 2011 2:59 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    So, let me understand this. Homosexuality in a serious no-no. Schtupping the animals is Okey Dokey. What happens if the animal in question is the same sex as you? I personally happen to be a straight guy who does not have the slightest interest in any sex partner that is not human. But I have to say, the mutual of Omaha as a dating show is just plain sick.


  51. citizen_q
    51 | January 17, 2011 3:00 pm

    @ chickadee:
    Right on!


  52. chickadee
    52 | January 17, 2011 3:00 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ chickadee:

    Who is supposed to chair the hearings into Mohammedan terrorism? It isn’t Peter King, is it? Because I have no confidence whatsoever in that motherfucker…

    He has always been tough on the rop.
    What have i missed?


  53. 53 | January 17, 2011 3:00 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    I hope she stays safe and gets back!


  54. Nevergiveup
    54 | January 17, 2011 3:01 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ citizen_q:

    So, let me understand this. Homosexuality in a serious no-no. Schtupping the animals is Okey Dokey. What happens if the animal in question is the same sex as you? I personally happen to be a straight guy who does not have the slightest interest in any sex partner that is not human. But I have to say, the mutual of Omaha as a dating show is just plain sick.

    That is why DADT was perfect. ya don’t want to know about this shit, then don’t ask


  55. 55 | January 17, 2011 3:03 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    That’s a good point, I not only want DADT in the military, but in the rest of the world also. Some things are better left unsaid.


  56. 56 | January 17, 2011 3:03 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    He is the one who proposed a 1000 foot exclusionary zone around Congressmen’s exaulted personages where it would be a crime to carry a gun last week, isn’t he? That was real practical and rational. After all, if you happen to be out and about carrying and run into your Congresscritter, you should go to jail for not clearing your schedule with the appropriate authorities, right? :roll: Never mind that it had no chance of passing. That shows that the man isn’t serious, and has a super-highly inflated sense of his own importance in the scheme of things to boot. Such a man can’t be trusted with something as improtant as hearings into the Mohammedan threat.


  57. Nevergiveup
    57 | January 17, 2011 3:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    I hope she stays safe and gets back!

    She is. They have a few armed guards with them. Young Army Kids their age. It’s a real smart thing to do. It builds bridges between American Jewish Kids and their Israeli Cousins in the Army and at the same time provides great security.


  58. lobo91
    58 | January 17, 2011 3:05 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    That’s a good point, I not only want DADT in the military, but in the rest of the world also. Some things are better left unsaid.

    I disagree.

    The more people know about the depravities of this so-called religion, the less likely they’ll be to buy into the crap that they’re just like everyone else.


  59. Nevergiveup
    59 | January 17, 2011 3:05 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    He is the one who proposed a 1000 foot exclusionary zone around Congressmen’s exaulted personages where it would be a crime to carry a gun last week, isn’t he? That was real practical and rational. After all, if you happen to be out and about carrying and run into your Congresscritter, you should go to jail for not clearing your schedule with the appropriate authorities, right? Never mind that it had no chance of passing. That shows that the man isn’t serious, and has a super-highly inflated sense of his own importance in the scheme of things to boot. Such a man can’t be trusted with something as improtant as hearings into the Mohammedan threat.

    I don’t think that was him, but I am not sure. Anyway he is usually great on almost all the issues, so I’d cut him a break even if that was him, but I don’t think it was anyway


  60. chickadee
    60 | January 17, 2011 3:06 pm

    Islam is so disgusting in so many ways.
    gak

    I really don’t think the rop meme is succeeding with most civilized people.


  61. Nevergiveup
    61 | January 17, 2011 3:07 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Actually it was him I looked it up- ah everyone can have a brain fart once in a while- anyway he is a good guy


  62. 62 | January 17, 2011 3:08 pm

    Here. Even the Atlanta Journal-Constitution found his proposal top be beyond assinine:

    Doctors had barely announced that Rep. Giffords had survived the shooting, than gun-control legislators in the nation’s capitol began trotting out their latest anti-gun schemes. Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, Democrat of New York, was in the forefront of this effort. Close behind Ms. McCarthy was her Empire State colleague, Republican Peter King. While most anti-firearms proposals emanating from the Congress are simply ineffective or unworkable; King’s most recent proposal is utterly idiotic.

    In response to the Tucson shooting — in which the gunman showed up at a public, outdoor town hall meeting hosted by Rep. Giffords in the parking lot of a local shopping center — King has proposed what has to be one of the silliest pieces of federal legislation in many a year. He has suggested the federal criminal code be amended to incorporate a new provision making it illegal for a person to possess a firearm within 1,000 feet of a Member of Congress.

    One might suppose that – were King’s proposal to actually become law — Members of Congress would have to walk around at all times with some obvious form of identification readily discernible to everyone within 333-1/3 yards of their presence; something that identifies them as a “Member of Congress.” Perhaps it would be required that every Member at all times wear a large hat with the congressional seal emblazoned thereon; or a distinctly colored sweatshirt with the words, “MEMBER OF THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES,” printed thereon in a bright, contrasting color.

    Like I said, he isn’t serious minded enough for any kind of duties. Put him somewhere where he can vote and not embarass himself, but making him chair of a comittee? :roll:


  63. Nevergiveup
    63 | January 17, 2011 3:09 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Really as I said he had a brain fart- but he is a good guy almost always on our side


  64. lobo91
    64 | January 17, 2011 3:10 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ Nevergiveup:
    He is the one who proposed a 1000 foot exclusionary zone around Congressmen’s exaulted personages where it would be a crime to carry a gun last week, isn’t he? That was real practical and rational. After all, if you happen to be out and about carrying and run into your Congresscritter, you should go to jail for not clearing your schedule with the appropriate authorities, right? Never mind that it had no chance of passing. That shows that the man isn’t serious, and has a super-highly inflated sense of his own importance in the scheme of things to boot. Such a man can’t be trusted with something as improtant as hearings into the Mohammedan threat.
    I don’t think that was him, but I am not sure. Anyway he is usually great on almost all the issues, so I’d cut him a break even if that was him, but I don’t think it was anyway

    it was him:

    Rep. Peter King Defends Proposed Gun Control Law

    In response to Saturday’s shooting spree in Tucscon, Rep. Peter King (R, N.Y.) has announced that he’s planning on introducing legislation to make it illegal for American citizens to knowingly carry a firearm within 1,000 feet of a member of Congress. King told THE WEEKLY STANDARD over the phone this afternoon that his proposal came out of discussions he had with New York police over the weekend. “If [Rep. Giffords] had had a tight security detail with her, could they have stopped this guy?” King says he asked New York cops. “They would say, ‘No, they probably couldn’t have stopped him from shooting her. They probably could have stopped him from shooting most of the rest of the people.’ They said maybe the one way he maybe could have stopped him in advance was if it appeared he had a gun on him … if he had a bulge in his pocket … by whatever movements he made or whatever. They could have gone over and questioned the guy to see if he had a gun. They couldn’t do that in Tucson because you’re allowed to carry a gun.”


  65. taxfreekiller
    65 | January 17, 2011 3:10 pm

    Orginal stalker blogger CJ of lgf’s .0001 , ya the one who stalked poster realwest and ban sticked realwest for the offence of posting where not appoved by the One God CJ.

    Well he is on to the deal of his “mistake of putting the name of the server on the web directory.

    Post #61 current thread.

    tfk did notice that from 10:00 am to 12:00 there were 120 post on that sneaking past the grave yard blog, thats 1 per min. CJ, and that with Walter getting the finger cramps from his 20% of the blogs post.

    Or is that just another mistake of the counter on lgf’s .0001 blog.


  66. chickadee
    66 | January 17, 2011 3:11 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    I think it was Peter King who said that abt. the 1000 ft. gun free zone around pols.
    I thought that was odd but not sufficient to throw him under the bus.
    He has taken solid conservative stands on most issues for years.


  67. Nevergiveup
    67 | January 17, 2011 3:11 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Yeah I saw and corrected myself, but he is a good guy so give him a pass. Anyway it’s not going anywhere


  68. lobo91
    68 | January 17, 2011 3:12 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    You know anytime something happens involving a gun, McCarthy is going to be looking for a TV camera.

    She owes her political career to the Long Island Railway shooting.


  69. Nevergiveup
    69 | January 17, 2011 3:12 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    I think it was Peter King who said that abt. the 1000 ft. gun free zone around pols.
    I thought that was odd but not sufficient to throw him under the bus.
    He has taken solid conservative stands on most issues for years.

    Yes and he is strongly pro-israel and anti-muslim


  70. citizen_q
    70 | January 17, 2011 3:13 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    Homosexuality is officially a no no, but they have those dancing boys in Afghanistan and and maybe Pakistan. Those who partake don’t consider themselves homosexual. In islam women are unclean, and unless you want to make a son they feel it more islamic to hang out with ah humm… guys.

    As to animals, yes it ok. I don’t know most the rules. I am sure some are ok and some are not. There are rules what can do with the animal afterward. I remember reading an Article by the ayatola khomeini, where the subject was discussed, believe it or not I think if was published in Playboy. I remember in the article his discussing the rules for intercourse with a chicken. Now I read this article many many years ago, but that was strange and outrageous enough to stick with me.


  71. 71 | January 17, 2011 3:13 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I see your point. I was merely trying to be sarcastic about the rush to discuss sexuality in our own nation. For some reason, The military in America is the only place where our citizens are being prodded into discussing which team they play for. One of the most bizarre national conversations ever.


  72. 72 | January 17, 2011 3:13 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Maybe he’ll prove me wrong, but I am smelling a white-wash. The Republicans did that in 1995, putting Arlen Specter over hearings on Waco and Ruby Ridge. It was a show for the Little People, but it was sound and fury achieving nothing. As it was intended. After his performance last week, I suspect that this is just more of the same.


  73. Nevergiveup
    73 | January 17, 2011 3:15 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Maybe he’ll prove me wrong, but I am smelling a white-wash. The Republicans did that in 1995, putting Arlen Specter over hearings on Waco and Ruby Ridge. It was a show for the Little People, but it was sound and fury achieving nothing. As it was intended. After his performance last week, I suspect that this is just more of the same.

    No he really is on our side and a good guy. Sometimes you get funny things about gun control out of otherwise great conservatives here in the NorthEast.


  74. 74 | January 17, 2011 3:17 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    For some reason, the, “Chicken Lover,” episode of South Park keeps coming to mind. These people are perverse, beyond any reason.


  75. citizen_q
    75 | January 17, 2011 3:18 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:
    Agreed


  76. 76 | January 17, 2011 3:19 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Sure. Her I expected. Hell, Obama I expected. I did not expect to be back-shot by a Republican, especially in such a bizarre manner. You’d think he was making fun of gun-controllers, except he was serious as a heart-attack. It wasn’t a joking moment.


  77. chickadee
    77 | January 17, 2011 3:22 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    He is really tough on the muzz. Totally against the GZ mosk. And very pro-Israel.
    I think this is the first time he has gone off the rails.
    I remember thinking when I heard the clip, ‘that doesn’t sound like Pete KIng.’
    But usually I am cheering the man.


  78. citizen_q
    78 | January 17, 2011 3:24 pm

    Sorry for the O/T rant, but add the word rhetoric to list of overused words like hope, change, “Death Toll”, or “grim milestone” (don’t hear that one much any more, I wonder why /) that I am sick and tired of hearing in the news or talk radio.

    Can’t these professional wordsmiths consult a thesaurus once in a while, or is it if the DNC mouthpieces bless a word it is sacrilege to deviate. Is it that they thine we are so stupid we can’t process a new word in the same context or issue?

    Rant off


  79. 79 | January 17, 2011 3:29 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    I was fortunate in my youth to visit Spain, Italy, Dominican republic and Puerto Rico. It’s cool to see your heritage and homelands. It’s a good thing your daughter is getting to see hers. One can be American and proud of their heritage and concerned for their homelands, its not a contradiction.

    The one sad thing, I will never get to see Lebanon, it’s the one homeland I can never visit and it really hurts my soul.

    :-(


  80. 80 | January 17, 2011 3:30 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    BTW, great post and that’s why we held it off until today so people can see it and discuss it!


  81. lobo91
    81 | January 17, 2011 3:31 pm

    And now Schumer is on with Shep talking about his new gun control plans.

    Of course, Shep thinks it’s a great idea…


  82. 82 | January 17, 2011 3:34 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Thank you!


  83. 83 | January 17, 2011 3:35 pm

    @ lobo91:

    This isn’t going away. Some Democrats have had plans for this since Obama took office. They were just waiting for the incident to occur. We’ll see where the Republicans stand on it. Boehner has siad it is all DOA. I hope he stands by that. But we have been disappointed by the Republicans before this.


  84. lobo91
    84 | January 17, 2011 3:37 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    And Schumer ends the interview by thanking Shep for his help in getting the 9/11 first responder bill passed.

    I’d say that pretty much ends any discussion of him being an “objective journalist” (if there was anyone left who still thought that).


  85. 85 | January 17, 2011 3:38 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Agreed.


  86. taxfreekiller
    86 | January 17, 2011 3:38 pm

    ps

    I have one of my socks on lgf’s .0001 just now, telling Ludwigged out how much I’m glad he is back, he loves me now.

    tfk


  87. 87 | January 17, 2011 3:41 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    I love it! Your sock is friends with someone you personally would not allow to launder your undershorts. I will be laughing for a while with this one.


  88. 88 | January 17, 2011 3:41 pm

    @ lobo91:

    There is no such thing as an “objective journalist”. Never was. Murrow wasn’t “objective” between the US and the Nazis. He wanted America to win. “Journalists” today aren’t neutral between the US and its enemies, it is just that they are on the other side now.


  89. 89 | January 17, 2011 3:44 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    it is just that they are on the other side now.

    I dont call them the Fifth Column Treasonous Media for nothing you know…


  90. taxfreekiller
    90 | January 17, 2011 3:45 pm

    It must be cj is not wanting to belive there is a possibility of a conservative being in New Mexico, when I’m out here I use the sock I’m on with and he has never seemed to notice this sock from moon bat Taos, grand dad bought this little place back in the 1950′s after the war and we come out here from time to time.

    works for me, ms tfk is off spending money down in the village…

    me, I’m helping make Ludwigg “feel good”…@ taxfreekiller:


  91. lobo91
    91 | January 17, 2011 3:47 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    It must be cj is not wanting to belive there is a possibility of a conservative being in New Mexico

    I’m pretty sure that there haven’t been any since I moved away 8 years ago.


  92. 92 | January 17, 2011 3:51 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    me, I’m helping make Ludwigg “feel good”…

    Eeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww! 8O Leave making Lewd Pig van Spank “feel good” to the Talented and Inflatible Ms.Sssssss. Even that makes you feel dirty for the blow-up doll 8O


  93. vagabond trader
    93 | January 17, 2011 3:58 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    lmao. :lol:


  94. 94 | January 17, 2011 3:59 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I believe the difference is in the definition of objective and neutral. Can anyone be truly objective? Probably not. At the same time, objective does not mean brain dead. to me, and most objective reporters of yesteryear, objective meant sticking to the facts while reporting a story. Was Murrow objective? I don’t know. Murrow, interjected his own opinions in a lot of stories. I feel personally that objectivity is maintained by calling evil just what it is. Neutrality does not allow this. There was a point when people started to believe that discrimination was wrong, that is was a form of bigotry. Really, discrimination is a form of critical thinking, necessary to forming an opinion and core beliefs.

    Here is an example of the difference. An objective reporter watched Chicago and Seatle play yesterday’s game and saw a slaughter. They objectively wrote about Chicago kicking the snot out of a vastly inferior team. A neutral reporter watched the same game, and wrote about how to basically evenly matched teams played a game in which the chicanery and missed calls of the officials aided in the lopsided score which made it look like Chicago got lucky and won.

    The objective reporter watched the game, reported facts, and was able to use his discriminating thought to see that Seatle did not belong on the same field as one of the leagues best teams. The neutral reporter watched the game sticking to his belief that all teams are equal and that discriminating thought on his part are nothing more than his own prejudices getting in the way of his reporting. Since he is morally bound to not descriminate, any reporting of the snot kicking of Seatle is now considered to be only possible if Chicago cheated.


  95. vagabond trader
    95 | January 17, 2011 4:02 pm

    Good,big boys don’t cry.


  96. Brick
    96 | January 17, 2011 4:05 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:
    Kind of like…

    This past weekend, The Steelers finished next to last and only scored 7 more points than the next best team, but the Ravens finished in the #2 spot, and scored an impressive 24 points total!


  97. Bob in Breckenridge
    97 | January 17, 2011 4:06 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    mfhorn wrote:
    The Jihad bear/bee/rabbit/God only knows what else indoctrination of ‘Palestinian’ kids, including that young, hate-filled girl, is some of the worst mental child abuse I can imagine.
    If video like that of young kids being indoctrinated into a Klan mentality, it would very rightly be condemned. Pali-vision’s indoctrination is ignored or blamed on the Jooooos.

    What these barbarians are doing to their children is pure evil.
    That the mfm does not jump to expose this, 24/7 really shows how low the propaganda arm of the left is willing to go. Throwing in with monsters like this and actively running interference for them. The left is as insidious as these muzz scum they are bedding down with.
    There will be a lot of blood letting when these various nasty groups start fighting each other to get to the top. The muzz will crush them without mercy. Look how little compassion they have for their own children.

    The fact that Youtube even allows the 7th century savages to post this vile shit is really telling about Google. Sergei Brin, the Google co-founder, being a Jew, especially a Russian-born Jew, with all the anti-Semitism that went on and continues to go on there, should be both ashamed and outraged that this pure evil and hatred is allowed on Youtube.


  98. 98 | January 17, 2011 4:08 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    Good indeed. Maybe Boehner has seen the many complaints of conservatives that all we perceive the GOP Establishment wanting to do is make it to all the right parties. Not going to those parties helps to counter that perception. Now, we want and expect real, substantive change, not just window dressing. Hence my serious concern about Peter King chairing the comittee to investigate the Muzz. We don’t need another Arlen Specter “Nuttin’ to see here, boss!” style set of hearings that accomplish nothing. We need to see real and concrete change in the way Republicans deal with Washington. If they are doing their jobs right, they won’t be getting invited to swanky parties with the Democrats for much longer.


  99. 99 | January 17, 2011 4:12 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:

    Bob, as much as I hate seeing this, I believe it does our side more good than bad by allowing Americans to see, unedited, what we are up against. These were all posted to youtube through Memri. Sweeping it under the rug would not prevent the indoctrination of the, “Palestinian,” children in the slightest. At least now, when they continue to blow themselves up in malls, pizza shops, and discoteques, we have a better understanding of why, and what will it take to stop.

    After watching this, no one with any functioning grey matter would guess that we need more community based outreach. We need an armed answer, and an unconditional surrender.


  100. vagabond trader
    100 | January 17, 2011 4:13 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Action speaks louder than words for certain. This could get interesting and had better land in favor of the people who voted these public servants into office.


  101. 101 | January 17, 2011 4:13 pm

    @ Brick:

    Now you’ve got it!


  102. 102 | January 17, 2011 4:14 pm

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    The fact that Youtube even allows the 7th century savages to post this vile shit is really telling about Google. Sergei Brin, the Google co-founder, being a Jew, especially a Russian-born Jew, with all the anti-Semitism that went on and continues to go on there, should be both ashamed and outraged that this pure evil and hatred is allowed on Youtube.

    This goes way beyond irony, since Google’s corporate motto is “Don’t be Evil” yet when faced with evil, google seems to either openly embrace it, or be to stupid to recognize it.


  103. vagabond trader
    103 | January 17, 2011 4:15 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:

    Funny how the very same youtube deletes and bans what it perceives as anti muzz vids. Ask Drew at Weasel Zippers.


  104. 104 | January 17, 2011 4:15 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    We need an armed answer, and an unconditional surrender.

    We need to exterminate Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Aksa Martyrs, Islamic Jihad, and a host of other little Paleosimian terrorist groups down to the last man or woman in their TO&E. After we are through with that, then perhaps we can talk about a real peace, but that is a lot of killing that needs to be accomplished first.


  105. lobo91
    105 | January 17, 2011 4:17 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Now, we want and expect real, substantive change, not just window dressing. Hence my serious concern about Peter King chairing the comittee to investigate the Muzz. We don’t need another Arlen Specter “Nuttin’ to see here, boss!” style set of hearings that accomplish nothing.

    One difference is that these hearings were King’s idea. He wasn’t appointed to head them.


  106. coldwarrior
    106 | January 17, 2011 4:17 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    fwiw…my mom was able to show some of those vids to her friends that were more or less ignorant of what we are up against.

    because of that, there are a few more that are aware now.


  107. RIX
    107 | January 17, 2011 4:18 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Uncle Walter (Cronkite) to this day is lauded by Democrats
    & self-congratulatory journalists as a paragon of
    journalistic ethics & objectivity.
    This is the same Cronkite who did his level best to portray
    the Marine victory at Heu Phu Bai during the 68 Tet
    Offensive a loss.
    He declared the War lost & LBJ believed him & the war was
    for all practical intents & purposes lost.


  108. lobo91
    108 | January 17, 2011 4:19 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    This goes way beyond irony, since Google’s corporate motto is “Don’t be Evil” yet when faced with evil, google seems to either openly embrace it, or be to stupid to recognize it.

    Of course, it all depends on how you define “evil.”

    They probably define it as things like driving a big SUV, or eating meat.


  109. 109 | January 17, 2011 4:21 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    Bob, as much as I hate seeing this, I believe it does our side more good than bad by allowing Americans to see, unedited, what we are up against. These were all posted to youtube through Memri. Sweeping it under the rug would not prevent the indoctrination of the, “Palestinian,” children in the slightest. At least now, when they continue to blow themselves up in malls, pizza shops, and discoteques, we have a better understanding of why, and what will it take to stop.
    After watching this, no one with any functioning grey matter would guess that we need more community based outreach. We need an armed answer, and an unconditional surrender.

    There is one tiny little problem with your theory. Since the early 70′s America’s have been programmed by the Marxist Department of Indoctrination to believe that 1) the Palestinians are victims of Juice attempts of genocide, 2) Freedom fighters attempting to recover their unlawfully annexed nation from the evil Juice, 3) When the discussion involves Revolutionary (Marxist) Freedom Fighters, the axiom “The End Justifies the Means” always applies without question or reservation.


  110. coldwarrior
    110 | January 17, 2011 4:23 pm

    Priebus Fires Convention Staff
    January 16, 2011 6:36 P.M.
    By Brian Bolduc

    Newly elected chairman Reince Priebus has fired the 2012 convention staff. In a statement to the press, Priebus writes:

    “We are committed to holding a world-class 2012 Republican National Convention that will be worthy of the next President of the United States. There are some changes that need to be made to ensure a successful convention. Those changes start today. I have discontinued the employment of the convention liaison and the employees of the Committee on Arrangements, effective immediately. I look forward to bringing on top-notch staff and planning a convention that all Republicans, especially our 2012 Presidential nominee, can be proud of.”


  111. 111 | January 17, 2011 4:24 pm

    @ RIX:

    Yeah, I despise Cronkeit. We would have possibly won Vietnam without his interference, and he is lauded as a hero by the Left. He should have gone to prison. Think of all the boat-people who fled Vietnam, and all the people in Vietnam who died under the Communist thumb, and you cannot help but consider Cronkeit to be a very evil man.


  112. 112 | January 17, 2011 4:26 pm

    over 100 comments should be ok to go OT. and i missed the previous thread cuz they’re working me to death! grrrr.

    for those who haven’t seen/heard yet. Sharpton and Deutsch lie about Arizona and it’s MLK Holiday – which we’ve had since 1992!

    http://kirls.blogspot.com/2011/01/donnie-deusch-and-al-sharpton-lie-about.html


  113. 113 | January 17, 2011 4:26 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I hope he does this right. This coming election is critical to the success or failure of America as a nation. I really don’t think that is an exaggeration. Already, we will be decades in cleaning up Obama’s mess. A second term of him would put the final nails in the coffin. We’d be stuck with him until 2016. If the country survives until then.


  114. 114 | January 17, 2011 4:27 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Priebus’s task: Reconcile establishment Republicans with tea partiers

    “Priebus will do whatever it takes to co-opt the tea party movement,” said Mike Murphy, chairman of a tea-party allied 527 group called The Republican Liberty Caucus of Wisconsin…

    “He didn’t allow for conservative voices that didn’t jibe with the establishment view and if he charges down that course (at the RNC), the tea party people will wake up and it may very well split up the Republican Party” coalition that powered the GOP’s 2010 landslide, said Murphy.

    Interviews with eight other Wisconsin tea party leaders since Priebus’s election Friday as RNC chairman revealed similar misgivings about Priebus’s handling of the party endorsement process, which they saw as emblematic of the clubby establishment politics that the tea party has railed against since the movement burst onto the scene in April 2009 in opposition to what its activists saw as a fiscally reckless agenda being pursued by President Barack Obama and the Democratic Congress.

    As TFK would say… I smell an ambush…


  115. Nevergiveup
    115 | January 17, 2011 4:27 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Yeah, I despise Cronkeit. We would have possibly won Vietnam without his interference, and he is lauded as a hero by the Left. He should have gone to prison. Think of all the boat-people who fled Vietnam, and all the people in Vietnam who died under the Communist thumb, and you cannot help but consider Cronkeit to be a very evil man.

    And if it were not for Cable, the Internet, and FOX ( yeah go ahead and slam them all you want, they are still the only remotely conservative News around ) all we would still have is Walters all around us feeding the news


  116. Bob in Breckenridge
    116 | January 17, 2011 4:28 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    Bob, as much as I hate seeing this, I believe it does our side more good than bad by allowing Americans to see, unedited, what we are up against. These were all posted to youtube through Memri. Sweeping it under the rug would not prevent the indoctrination of the, “Palestinian,” children in the slightest. At least now, when they continue to blow themselves up in malls, pizza shops, and discoteques, we have a better understanding of why, and what will it take to stop.
    After watching this, no one with any functioning grey matter would guess that we need more community based outreach. We need an armed answer, and an unconditional surrender.

    I can see your point, and MEMRI’s, but look at the number that have viewed it- 1478, and its been up over a year.


  117. Bob in Breckenridge
    117 | January 17, 2011 4:29 pm

    Wow, Royal from the “Neal Boortz Show” died…


  118. lobo91
    118 | January 17, 2011 4:30 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Yeah, I despise Cronkeit. We would have possibly won Vietnam without his interference, and he is lauded as a hero by the Left.

    While I share your view of Cronkite, I seriously doubt that we could have won in Vietnam by that point. Things were too badly screwed up in the early years.

    I highly recommend John Nagl’s Learning to Eat Soup with a Knife: Counterinsurgency Lessons from Malaya and Vietnam


  119. RIX
    119 | January 17, 2011 4:31 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Cronkite was & is a hard core lefty.
    Why LBJ listened to him is beyond reason.
    It was Ted kennedy who made sure that we renieged on our
    pledge to provide aid to the South Viatamese Military,
    to continue the battle after we left.
    We had every right to stay out of Viet Nam, but since we
    did intervene we had a responsibility to support them
    with aid once we pulled out.
    Even bin Laden has used Viet Nam as an example of American
    weakness.


  120. 120 | January 17, 2011 4:31 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Oh, I know that. Without the Internet and Fox News the Left would have succeeded in painting Saturday’s shooting as a Sarah Palin-inspired Tea Party event. It is bad enough with what we have. If competing voices hadn’t risen up in the last decade, there would be no hope for America anymore.


  121. Brick
    121 | January 17, 2011 4:32 pm

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    Flyovercountry wrote:
    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    Bob, as much as I hate seeing this, I believe it does our side more good than bad by allowing Americans to see, unedited, what we are up against. These were all posted to youtube through Memri. Sweeping it under the rug would not prevent the indoctrination of the, “Palestinian,” children in the slightest. At least now, when they continue to blow themselves up in malls, pizza shops, and discoteques, we have a better understanding of why, and what will it take to stop.
    After watching this, no one with any functioning grey matter would guess that we need more community based outreach. We need an armed answer, and an unconditional surrender.

    I can see your point, and MEMRI’s, but look at the number that have viewed it- 1478, and its been up over a year.

    Google has known issues with not properly tracking the number of views for selected videos.


  122. taxfreekiller
    122 | January 17, 2011 4:32 pm

    I had better get logged off of lgf’s .0001, alouette just posted this,

    “Gosh I am so alone my keybord is echoing”

    lgf’s is still down about 60 post an hour, but I think I may be the only poster from New Mexico and even CJ may be able to figrue that out.


  123. 123 | January 17, 2011 4:33 pm

    @ lobo91:

    That one is on my list. I have enough on my list to last me at least this year already. I got scads of books for Christmas.


  124. 124 | January 17, 2011 4:34 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:

    So now we know, there are at least 1478 people in America at least who will help us win the country back. I am not sure if this particular issue is front of mind to everyone. As a person of jewish faith, more often than not I find myself combatting complacency and apathy more than evil. Make no mistake, both complacency and apathy are also valuable allies for the islamists. It is just as important to understand the battle in order to win it though.


  125. citizen_q
    125 | January 17, 2011 4:34 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    This goes way beyond irony, since Google’s corporate motto is “Don’t be Evil” yet when faced with evil, google seems to either openly embrace it, or be to stupid to recognize it.

    Don’t forget practice it. Depending upon your take on google’s prviacy practices.


  126. taxfreekiller
    126 | January 17, 2011 4:35 pm

    Vietnam was won, the VC were all dead, the NVA was not able to resupply, they put it all on Tet and lost,

    The commie Democrats and the commie msm reversed all that was done.

    They are attempting to do that in Iraq and Afganistain now as well as to the teaparty work in the House and Senate, they hate U.S..@ lobo91:


  127. RIX
    127 | January 17, 2011 4:36 pm

    @ lobo91:

    General Giap in his memoirs wrote that the North saw themselves
    as defeated after Tet & were preparing to sue for peace.
    It was the degeneration of support for the War due to
    Cronkite, the Media & the Peace movement that kept them
    going.


  128. RIX
    128 | January 17, 2011 4:37 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    You’re ecactly right.


  129. lobo91
    129 | January 17, 2011 4:38 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    That one is on my list. I have enough on my list to last me at least this year already. I got scads of books for Christmas.

    It really is a good book. It’s basically an expanded version of LTC Nagl’s PhD thesis from Oxford.

    I read it because of it’s application to Iraq and Afghanistan, but I learned quite a bit about Vietnam in the process.


  130. lobo91
    130 | January 17, 2011 4:41 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    General Giap in his memoirs wrote that the North saw themselves
    as defeated after Tet & were preparing to sue for peace.
    It was the degeneration of support for the War due to
    Cronkite, the Media & the Peace movement that kept them
    going.

    I understand all that, but you’re missing the point.

    Ending the war and “winning” aren’t always synonymous.

    Most people would have defined “winning” as having a stable, popularly-supported government in Saigon that was able to defend its own territory.

    That result was never going to happen.


  131. 131 | January 17, 2011 4:43 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Oh, I know that. Without the Internet and Fox News the Left would have succeeded in painting Saturday’s shooting as a Sarah Palin-inspired Tea Party event. It is bad enough with what we have. If competing voices hadn’t risen up in the last decade, there would be no hope for America anymore.

    Oh believe me it would have been far worse than that. Sarah Palin and the TEA Parties were only suppose to be the official scapegoats. What the Liberal Marxists Left was really shooting for was a Reichstag Fire moment. Remember, the FCC is just waiting in the wings for an opportunity to shut down conservative talk radio and the conservative blogsphere.

    Remember how when Janet Incompentino sent out a policy letter to every police and sheriff station in America warning them to be on the lookout for homegrown right-wing militia terrorist organizations and especially military veterans?

    Time to put ole Luggies Al-Gebra to practical application and add all the facts up.


  132. Alberta Oil Peon
    132 | January 17, 2011 4:48 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    Have to echo that about MEMRI. This is a very worthwhile organization, and I have contributed financially to them in the past and will do so again.

    Think of them as doing ELINT on the islamists. Without their efforts, these contemptible videos would never see the light of day here in the civilized West.

    And no, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit that the evil Google would mess with the view stats.


  133. RIX
    133 | January 17, 2011 4:51 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I understand all that, but you’re missing the point.

    Ending the war and “winning” aren’t always synonymous.

    Most people would have defined “winning” as having a stable, popularly-supported government in Saigon that was able to defend its own territory.

    That result was never going to happen.

    If the definition of winning was a stable popular government in
    Saigon, then you’re right.
    If it is viewed in the context of the Cold War, then winning
    was to stop the spread of Communism. I never saw it any
    other way.
    The standing down of the VC & withdrawl of the NVA could
    be viewed as a victory.


  134. lobo91
    134 | January 17, 2011 4:58 pm

    @ RIX:

    If it is viewed in the context of the Cold War, then winning
    was to stop the spread of Communism. I never saw it any
    other way.
    The standing down of the VC & withdrawl of the NVA could
    be viewed as a victory.

    Not really, because the end result would have been the same, regardless. No matter what we did, the Communists ultimately would have ended up in control.


  135. 135 | January 17, 2011 5:00 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:
    If it is viewed in the context of the Cold War, then winning
    was to stop the spread of Communism. I never saw it any
    other way.
    The standing down of the VC & withdrawl of the NVA could
    be viewed as a victory.
    Not really, because the end result would have been the same, regardless. No matter what we did, the Communists ultimately would have ended up in control.

    Like in Korea?


  136. lobo91
    136 | January 17, 2011 5:03 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    I don’t consider Korea to have been a particular “victory,” either, considering that the North is still one of the top 3 problems in the world, 60 years later.

    But at least South Korea is a stable, relatively democratic country today.

    I seriously doubt that South Vietnam ever would have become one.


  137. 137 | January 17, 2011 5:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    I don’t consider Korea to have been a particular “victory,” either, considering that the North is still one of the top 3 problems in the world, 60 years later.
    But at least South Korea is a stable, relatively democratic country today.
    I seriously doubt that South Vietnam ever would have become one.

    OK, that’s kind of what I suspected you were suggesting. +1 -1=0 Which truthfully Vietnam stood a very good chance of playing out the exact same way.


  138. lobo91
    138 | January 17, 2011 5:19 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Having a Korea-style “DMZ” wouldn’t have worked there, anyway. It would have had to go all along the western border, as well. Otherwise, they could have just gone around it (as they did during the war, anyway).

    There’s no way the American public would have stood for us stationing 50 or 100,000 troops there for 50 or 60 years, on top of our commitment to Korea.

    Anyway, the reality is that the average person in South Vietnam had no idea who was running the government in Saigon, and didn’t much care whether it was nominally Communist or “democratic.” It made no real difference in their lives. To them, the government was a group of people who sent armed soldiers to their village periodically to take half their crops as “taxes.” Whether those troops carried M-16s or AK-47s didn’t matter much to them.


  139. RIX
    139 | January 17, 2011 5:49 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Not really, because the end result would have been the same, regardless. No matter what we did, the Communists ultimately would have ended up in control.

    Maybe, but that really can’t be known.
    the USSR was destined to wane & the Chineese really
    don’t like the Vietnamese.
    Guys who were in Korea had the same complaints that we had,
    “The South won’t fight” “The other guys are better”
    Now ROK troops are among the best in the world.
    The fact is nobody knows what actually would have happened.


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