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Americans reluctant to intervene in Libya

by Rodan ( 174 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Democratic Party, Islamic Supremacism, Leftist-Islamic Alliance, Libya, Military, Muslim Brotherhood, Progressives, Republican Party, Tranzis at March 16th, 2011 - 2:00 pm

The Republicans really botched an opportunity to destroy the Tranzi Progressives. Many leftists like John Kerry, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer and others were calling for the US to set up a no fly zone over Libya. Instead of hammering the Democrats for wanting us to get involved in conflict where there are no US interest, Republicans like John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Mitt Romney, John Bolton, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Bill Kristol, Mike Huckabee and others agreed and even tried to use this to paint Obama as weak. Despite all this bipartisan propaganda most Americans are against getting involved.

The public by a wide margin says the United States does not have a responsibility to do something about the fighting between government forces and anti-government groups in Libya. And while opinion is divided over enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya, this view is undercut by the fact that Americans overwhelmingly oppose bombing Libyan military air defenses.

The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted March 10-13 among 1,001 adults, finds that 63% say the United States does not have a responsibility to act in Libya; fewer than half as many (27%) say the U.S. has this responsibility. Opinion about U.S. responsibility to take action in Libya is comparable to views about the conflict between Serbs and Bosnians in 1995; just 30% said the U.S. had a responsibility in that case. By contrast, far more Americans said the U.S. had a responsibility to take action in Kosovo in 1999 and in the Darfur crisis of 2007.

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Roughly half of Americans (54%) say that the best argument for not using military force in Libya is that U.S. military forces are already overcommitted. Far fewer (19%) say the best argument for not using force is that opposition groups in Libya may be no better than the current government or that Libya is not of vital interest to the United States (13%).

Read the rest: Public Wary of Military Intervention in Libya

The American public wants no part of the Libya mess. It saddens me that the editorial review board of the National Review is pushing for American intervention in Libya. I really don’t get why the Conservative foreign policy establishment is so gung ho on getting involved in Libya. Well the answer is that the foreign policy establishment of the GOP is not Conservative, but Wilsonian Progressive. These same clowns push for the US to get involved in Bosnia when the majority of Americans were against it. The result was the creation of an Islamicstate in Europe. These same fools continued to  demonized the Serbs was able to convince enough Americans to go along with Clinton’s illegal bombing of Serbia. The result of this shameful act was the creation of an Islamic criminal state in Europe involved in drug trafficking, child sex slavery and organ harvesting. Now they want to get involved in Libya, the result of which will produce an Islamic state. These same fools turned the War on Islamic-Imperialism into a war to spread Muslim democracy. The result is 5,000 dead Americans and Islam more powerful now than before 9/11.

I am disappointed that Conservatives like Sarah Palin, John Bolton, the National Review and others are cheer leading a leftist idea. America is broke and our economy a mess. We should be focused on fixing our own problems and not getting involved in an internal Arab conflict. Clearly the leaders of the Conservative movement are being mislead by people with a Progressive agenda. We should oppose any involvement in Libya and use it as a club to beat the Left with. Clearly the elites of both parties are going against the will of the American public.

Although I am a small voice, I will do all I can to oppose the Tranzi-Wilsonian foreign policy alliance. There were no blogs during Bosnia or Kosovo to spread the truth about the situation. I was mislead in the run up to Iraq the real reason for the invasion. I will not sit idly by and stay quiet over Libya. I will oppose this Progressive based foreign policy with all my fiber in my being.

No American blood for Islamic Democracy!

Update:

Here is a good analysis by Michael Totten on the hypocrisy of the Arab world. Although I disagree with Totten’s WIlsonian ideology, he is intellectually honest in realizing Americans have had enough of dying for the Islamic world.

As forces loyalto Libya’s cruel and de ranged tyrant Moammar Khadafy re conquer one rebel-held city after an other, the Arab League and the Arabic press are calling for a no-fly zone over the country to tip, or at least even, the odds. While I’m inclined to help the Libyans on humanitarian grounds and to advance our own national interests, the American public’s appetite is low for intervening on behalf of the rebels — and it’s largely the Arab world’s fault.

Last time Americans led a coalition to topple a mass-murdering dictatorship in the Middle East, the Arab League and the Arabic press hysterically denounced us as imperialist crusaders fighting a war for oil and Israel. Egged on by al-Jazeera, they cheerleaded the “resistance” that killed thousands of our soldiers with roadside bombs in the years that followed.

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Few expected Iraq to transition smoothly to a stable democracy after so many years of repression, sanctions and war — but if Iraqis hadn’t responded with such a vicious campaign of violence against our soldiers and each other, the thought of helping Libyans who suffer under similar circumstances wouldn’t frighten or disgust quite so many of us.

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They might find that if they treated us more like the Kurds do, more of us will be willing to help them in the future — rather than shun them as hostiles who deserve to be left to their fate

Read more: What about our hearts and minds?

Totten is spot on here. Why is the opinion of the Arab Islamic world more important than the opinion of that of Americans? For the last 20 years, America’s military actions freom Bosnian to Iraq, have been involved in the Islamic world, while we ignore the fires in our own hemisphere. Containmnet of the Islamic world should be our foreign policy.

 It is time for America to leave the Islamic world to its own devices and we should pursue a policy of arming Israelto the teeth. We  should be allying ourselves with Non Islamic powers on the borders of Dar al Islam.  The US should support the destruction of Hizballah and the establishment of Lebanon as a Christian state to provide refuge for Middle East Christians. We should assist genuinely Pro Western people like the Kurds or Persian Nationalist wanting to get rid of their Arabized Ayatollah regime.  All aid to Kossovo should be withdrawn and we should allow the Serbs to take back their rightful province. Bosnia should be dived between Serbia and Croatia, thus ending a 600 year wrong caused by the Islamic Turks. We should support European anti-Islamic movements an undue the Pro-Islamic European Union. The US also should seek to stabilize Mexico and dominate our own hemisphere once again.

The tme for a realistic foreign policy based on American interest and preservation of Western civilization is needed. Americans have bled enough for Islam. If we need to make sacrifices then let it be for American interests, allies and Western Civilization in general.

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  1. Macker
    1 | March 16, 2011 2:02 pm

    Let’s see the Mohammedans do some dying for once.


  2. MikeA
    2 | March 16, 2011 2:08 pm

    The Arabs have an air force and such. Let them help their brothers out.

    Oh yeah, the arabs hate each other almost as much as they hate the jews. And are even more incompetent at war than a 4 year old.


  3. Bureaucat
    3 | March 16, 2011 2:08 pm

    No blood for…

    for…

    ?

    Exactly what is the value of Libya and how will revolution make it better?


  4. lobo91
    4 | March 16, 2011 2:10 pm

    Bureaucat wrote:

    No blood for…
    for…
    ?
    Exactly what is the value of Libya and how will revolution make it better?

    Not much, from what I can see.

    I’d actually like to visit Tunisia someday, though. I want to see the battlefield at Kasserine Pass.


  5. MikeA
    5 | March 16, 2011 2:11 pm

    @ Bureaucat:

    How about this idea. Let them kill each other, then we go in, wipe out the survivors and take the oil for ourselves. Since we are always accused of being an empire and imperialistic then lets act that way.


  6. 6 | March 16, 2011 2:11 pm

    Bureaucat wrote:

    No blood for…
    for…
    ?
    Exactly what is the value of Libya and how will revolution make it better?

    It has a surplus of Muslims, the more Muslims die, the more the earth profits.


  7. MikeA
    7 | March 16, 2011 2:20 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    So what you’re saying is… If muslims are killing muslims, you root for the jews?


  8. 8 | March 16, 2011 2:21 pm

    Breaking New: Dow down 300 points, Barack Obama’s NCAA pick’s blamed…


  9. lobo91
    9 | March 16, 2011 2:22 pm

    MikeA wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    So what you’re saying is… If muslims are killing muslims, you root for the jews?

    I’m rooting for the vultures…


  10. 10 | March 16, 2011 2:23 pm

    MikeA wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    So what you’re saying is… If muslims are killing muslims, you root for the jews?

    And Christians and other unspecified Infidels… :twisted:


  11. 11 | March 16, 2011 2:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    MikeA wrote:
    @ doriangrey:
    So what you’re saying is… If muslims are killing muslims, you root for the jews?
    I’m rooting for the vultures…

    Why? their going to die from food poisoning after that “feast”… :sad:


  12. 12 | March 16, 2011 2:26 pm

    Islam and Freedom are incompatible. Islam means slavery. They really say this, if you pay attention to them.


  13. MikeA
    13 | March 16, 2011 2:29 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    And that is the crux of the problem. Most of the population is not paying attention to that. Some think they really aren’t all that bad and the rest think they are the same as fundamentalist Christians (except for the beheading part) They listen to what the MSFM tells them to believe which all the apologists on saying how they are all about peace and these terrorists are just taking the religion out of context. More are waking up but not enough.


  14. Macker
    14 | March 16, 2011 2:30 pm

    Remember folks…God loves even the Muslims. It’s ISLAM He can’t stand.


  15. 15 | March 16, 2011 2:30 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I’m rooting for the vultures…

    :lol:

    Good one!


  16. lobo91
    16 | March 16, 2011 2:31 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Islam and Freedom are incompatible. Islam means slavery. They really say this, if you pay attention to them.

    Oh, but those people just misunderstand the Koran…
    //


  17. RIX
    17 | March 16, 2011 2:31 pm

    doriangrey wrote:
    <

    blockquote>Breaking New: Dow down 300 points, Barack Obama’s NCAA pick’s blamed…</blockquote

    >

    What an out there dude he is, he has all of the number one
    seeds in the final four.


  18. 18 | March 16, 2011 2:34 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Islam and Freedom are incompatible. Islam means slavery. They really say this, if you pay attention to them.

    Hey you like my new foreign policy?


  19. 19 | March 16, 2011 2:35 pm

    @ lobo91:

    They want teh same things you do!
    /

    Hey in the early days of the blog, did you post from the Magic Kingdom?

    I recall someone doing so.


  20. MikeA
    20 | March 16, 2011 2:37 pm

    @ RIX:

    Now come on… the Dow isn’t that bad. Its only down 250 points now. Obama has used his massive brain to heal the markets and the earth.

    Not to make fun of the disaster in Japan but… Is it interesting that when The Zero was elected, he said the earth started healing, then we get a bunch of earthquakes (Chile, New Zealand and now Japan..) Ya think God might be saying… You don’t have any power you silly little man…


  21. lobo91
    21 | March 16, 2011 2:37 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    They want teh same things you do!
    /
    Hey in the early days of the blog, did you post from the Magic Kingdom?
    I recall someone doing so.

    There was no such thing as a blog when I was over there.

    Must have been someone else.


  22. Macker
    22 | March 16, 2011 2:38 pm

    @ lobo91:

    BBS systems, perhaps? 8)


  23. tanker on the horizon
    23 | March 16, 2011 2:38 pm

    Libyans cheered returning Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi. Do we really wish to spend lives and treasure saving these wretches from themselves?


  24. m
    24 | March 16, 2011 2:40 pm

    @ Rodan:

    HEY! You’d be proud of me! I just took a whole friggen application in Spanish!

    Yay me! LOL!


  25. lobo91
    25 | March 16, 2011 2:40 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    BBS systems, perhaps?

    Those might have existed then, but not in Saudi Arabia…


  26. 26 | March 16, 2011 2:41 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Since Glassification Pacification® seems out of the question, I guess it’ll do… :P


  27. RIX
    27 | March 16, 2011 2:41 pm

    @ MikeA:

    Not to make fun of the disaster in Japan but… Is it interesting that when The Zero was elected, he said the earth started healing, then we get a bunch of earthquakes (Chile, New Zealand and now Japan..) Ya think God might be saying… You don’t have any power you silly little man…

    That statement by Obama should have scared off any
    rational person, but he won anyway.
    I don’t know if God is sick of him, but I am.


  28. 28 | March 16, 2011 2:42 pm

    @ tanker on the horizon:

    I don’t. No blood for Muzz. If we are going to expend blood and treasure, let it be to defeat Islam and drive it back into the sand hells that spawned it.


  29. 29 | March 16, 2011 2:43 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I don’t know if God is sick of him, but I am.

    He is still alive so God isn’t sick of him… Yet…


  30. Eliana
    30 | March 16, 2011 2:44 pm

    If Gaddafi falls, the Muslim Brotherhood is likely to take over.

    I think this is why the proggies wanted to help bring Gaddafi down. They’re really anxious to show how open-minded they are when it comes to other religions (except for Christianity and Judaism).


  31. lobo91
    31 | March 16, 2011 2:44 pm

    m wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    HEY! You’d be proud of me! I just took a whole friggen application in Spanish!
    Yay me! LOL!

    That reminds me of the days when I sold retail electronics. One of our biggest brands was Mitsubishi. They would periodically run special financing deals on their TVs, using their own credit card.

    The bank that issued the cards was in Georgia, and we had to read the applications to them over the phone.

    I still remember what a chore it was having to spell out every other word, since we were located in Albuquerque.

    I suppose it could have been worse. The bank could have been in Japan, instead of Georgia…


  32. huckfunn
    32 | March 16, 2011 2:46 pm

    THIS JUST IN FROM THE BWAHAHAHAHA DEPARTMENT:
    Obama to receive award from a coalition of good government groups and transparency advocates

    -- Accept an award from a coalition of good government groups and transparency advocates recognizing “his deep commitment to an open and transparent government — of, by, and for the people” in conjunction with Sunshine Week.

    Oh noes! Allen West ain’t gonna like this. You know how he is about peeps blowing sunshine up his butt.


  33. Eliana
    33 | March 16, 2011 2:46 pm

    @ RIX:

    That statement by Obama should have scared off any
    rational person, but he won anyway.

    He made the statement about the seas starting to roll back as a result of his election win after the votes had been counted.


  34. m
    34 | March 16, 2011 2:47 pm

    @ lobo91:

    No doubt! LOL!

    I’m learning Spanish because I don’t want to have to turn down another child that is translating for their parents. It’s terrible and I’ve had to do it >:-[

    I don’t mind when telling them yes, but the no is a lot harder. :-/


  35. 35 | March 16, 2011 2:48 pm

    m wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    HEY! You’d be proud of me! I just took a whole friggen application in Spanish!
    Yay me! LOL!

    That’s great! Your Spanish skills are getting good. Soon you will know Spanish better than me!


  36. 36 | March 16, 2011 2:49 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    This word “transparancy” that they keep using. I don’t think it means what they think it means…


  37. RIX
    37 | March 16, 2011 2:49 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    I don’t know if God is sick of him, but I am.
    He is still alive so God isn’t sick of him… Yet…

    He must have a great deal pf patience.


  38. 38 | March 16, 2011 2:51 pm

    Eliana wrote:

    @ RIX:
    That statement by Obama should have scared off any
    rational person, but he won anyway.
    He made the statement about the seas starting to roll back as a result of his election win after the votes had been counted.

    Well he said the temperatures will start dropping. They have, so he has kept a promise.


  39. 39 | March 16, 2011 2:52 pm

    @ Eliana:

    Like I said the other day, Obama’s Final Four picks:

    Egypt -- Muslim Brotherhood

    Jordan -- Muslim Brotherhood

    Libya -- Muslim Brotherhood

    Israel -- Hamas (Muslim Brotherhood)

    I think I see a pattern here…


  40. RIX
    40 | March 16, 2011 2:55 pm

    Eliana wrote:

    @ RIX:
    That statement by Obama should have scared off any
    rational person, but he won anyway.
    He made the statement about the seas starting to roll back as a result of his election win after the votes had been counted.

    I’m pretty sure that it was after he won the Nomination,
    not the Election.


  41. 41 | March 16, 2011 2:56 pm

    Eliana wrote:

    If Gaddafi falls, the Muslim Brotherhood is likely to take over.
    I think this is why the proggies wanted to help bring Gaddafi down. They’re really anxious to show how open-minded they are when it comes to other religions (except for Christianity and Judaism).

    Plus it’s Lebaon who proposed the No Fly Zone at teh UN. Hizballah controls Lebanon. Now Hizballah is allied with the Amal movemnet. Qaddafi killed one of their leaders who is a cousin to Nasrallah, Mus AL-Sadr ( yes related to Mutada AL-Sadr. Qaddafi and Hizballah are enemies. Qaddafi is also enemies with AL-Qaeda and doesn’t like the Iranian Ayatollahs.

    He’s the enemy of our enemy.


  42. Eliana
    42 | March 16, 2011 2:56 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I think I see a pattern here…

    Obama sees the Muzzi Bros as Middle Eastern community organizers.

    He left his own community organized areas of Chicago in a heap of trash and in a world of hurt so he’s not judgmental about what the Muzzi Bros would do if they community organized the whole Middle East.


  43. 43 | March 16, 2011 2:57 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I think I see a pattern here…

    Unlike Chuck, you see a real pattern!

    :lol:


  44. MikeA
    44 | March 16, 2011 2:58 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Are you trying to say you saw a Tennesee flag in Libya?


  45. 45 | March 16, 2011 2:58 pm

    @ RIX:

    EGO puto in a inhumanus Deus

    Jus’ sayin’…


  46. 46 | March 16, 2011 2:58 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Since Glassification Pacification® seems out of the question, I guess it’ll do…

    Containment worked during teh Cold War. It will work against the Islamic-Imperialists.


  47. 47 | March 16, 2011 2:59 pm

    @ MikeA:

    Well I’m sure there are soem old German tanks from WWII in the Libyan desert. SO eyas, the Nazis are there as well!

    :lol:


  48. 48 | March 16, 2011 3:00 pm

    RIX wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    I don’t know if God is sick of him, but I am.
    He is still alive so God isn’t sick of him… Yet…

    He must have a great deal pf patience.

    Thankfully he does, or we would all be royally screwed…


  49. lobo91
    49 | March 16, 2011 3:00 pm

    @ RIX:

    I’m pretty sure that it was after he won the Nomination,
    not the Election.

    It was. He said that the night he clinched the nomination, in June of 2008.


  50. 50 | March 16, 2011 3:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    He’s the enemy of our enemy.

    The very best thing we can possibly do is find a way to encourage both sides to kill as many of each other as possible for as long as possible.


  51. 51 | March 16, 2011 3:04 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Hey temperatures have gone down!

    Cut him some slack!
    /

    :lol:


  52. Eliana
    52 | March 16, 2011 3:04 pm

    @ RIX:

    I’m pretty sure that it was after he won the Nomination,
    not the Election.

    Just fact-checked and you’re right!

    He thought his NOMINATION would start healing the planet, etc.

    “This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”

    Most megalomaniacal line in Barack Obama’s speech last night. We laughed a lot.

    June 4, 2008 -- “This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”


  53. RIX
    53 | March 16, 2011 3:04 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    EGO puto in a inhumanus Deus
    Jus’ sayin’…

    He also said “We are the ones that we have been
    waiting for.”
    That kind of stuff is just crazy, but he got a pass.


  54. 54 | March 16, 2011 3:06 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Really shoud be Ego credo atrocis Dei. Close enough for government work…


  55. RIX
    55 | March 16, 2011 3:06 pm

    @ Eliana:

    Just fact-checked and you’re right!

    He thought his NOMINATION would roll the seas back.

    “This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”

    Shouldn’t that have scared people off, seriously?


  56. lobo91
    56 | March 16, 2011 3:07 pm

    Hmm…I just got a message from the Air Force about a job I applied for last week. It says I got a rating of 102. I think that means I got a 97, plus 5 points for veteran’s preference.

    It’s hard to say where that puts me in the ranking, though. I applied to the Border Patrol a few years back and ended up with a 103, and I didn’t even get called for an interview.


  57. Eliana
    57 | March 16, 2011 3:07 pm

    Obama essentially claimed that defeating Hillary in the primaries would heal the planet. :lol:

    Why didn’t Hillary punch his lights out for this?

    Metaphorically speaking, of course.


  58. snowcrash
    58 | March 16, 2011 3:07 pm

    Libya is a tricky one. I am pretty ambivalent. On one hand, the dreaded “Arab Street” will be delivered a stunning blow if they lose to Gadaffy. That is a plus. On the other hand is the lesson other dictators learn about quelling future democratic uprisings. Mow em down quickly when no one is looking. That is the negative.


  59. 59 | March 16, 2011 3:08 pm

    RIX wrote:

    but he got a pass.

    He’s gotten an unearned pass on everything he’s ever done in his entire life.


  60. lobo91
    60 | March 16, 2011 3:08 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Eliana:
    Just fact-checked and you’re right!
    He thought his NOMINATION would roll the seas back.
    “This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”
    Shouldn’t that have scared people off, seriously?

    Sane ones, yes.

    Those people didn’t vote for him, anyway.


  61. 61 | March 16, 2011 3:08 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Death is more certain. There is no reason whatsoever to permit any more Muslim nations to acquire atomic weapons. Our policy should be one of destroying the nation that tries. We should make an example of Iran.


  62. Eliana
    62 | March 16, 2011 3:09 pm

    @ RIX:

    Shouldn’t that have scared people off, seriously?

    Absolutely!

    Thanks for correcting my memory on this!!

    It was bad enough that he said it at all, but saying it prior to the election means that a bunch of bobbleheads in this country voted for the guy even after hearing him say this.


  63. Philip_Daniel
    63 | March 16, 2011 3:10 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Eliana:
    Like I said the other day, Obama’s Final Four picks:
    Egypt – Muslim Brotherhood
    Jordan – Muslim Brotherhood
    Libya – Muslim Brotherhood
    Israel – Hamas (Muslim Brotherhood)
    I think I see a pattern here…

    Hizb ut-Tahrir has already been legalized in Tunisia. The same Hizb ut-Tahrir which has written the following…


    Initiating the Kuffar with the material struggle is not an optional matter and it must not be open to pliancy if the Kuffar were to remain as such and if they were to reject the Da’awah, or if Islam were prevented from being conveyed to people so that they could choose whether to embrace it or maintain their religion and submit to its authority…

    The aim of this is to spread Islam so that it becomes triumphant. Jihad, which is to exhaust one’s effort in fighting for the sake of Allah, either directly, or by assisting financially or morally, or by joining the fighters to increase the numbers or the like, has been decreed by Allah ‘azza wa jal so that it becomes the legitimate method by which Islam is conveyed to the world. However, it must be made clear that fighting neither takes place before conveying the Da’awah to Islam to the Kuffar, nor before ordering them to embrace Islam. If they refuse, they should be ordered to submit to the Islamic State and to pay the Jizyah to the State. If they refuse to embrace Islam and refuse to pay the Jizyah and to submit to the Islamic State, then they must be fought. It is reported in the Hadith of Sulayman Ibnu Buraydah on the authority of his father who said: “Whenever the Messenger of Allah (saw) appointed an Amir over an army or an expedition, he used to instruct him to fear Allah and to be righteous to those with him from among the Muslims; he (saw) would then say: “Attack in the name of Allah. Fight those who disbelieve in Allah. Conquer…if you encounter your enemy from among the polytheists, invite them to three things and whichever they respond to, then accept it from them and refrain from fighting them. Call them to Islam and if they respond, accept from them and refrain from fighting them…” To the point where he (saw) said: “If they refuse, impose Jizyah on them. If they respond, accept it from them and refrain from fighting them, and if they refuse, seek Allah’s help and fight them.” Therefore, the Da’awah to Islam should precede the fighting and the demand that they submit to the Islamic State and pay Jizyah should also precede the fighting.

    Hence, the basis in the struggle between Islam and Kufr is the intellectual struggle, and the material struggle is deemed as the consequence of the intellectual struggle. If the intellectual struggle succeeds in allowing the Kuffar to reach a conviction towards this Deen and submit to it, we will then refrain from fighting them, because fighting them is caused by their Kufr; so if they embrace Islam, their lives and their properties will be inviolable to us.


  64. 64 | March 16, 2011 3:11 pm

    snowcrash wrote:

    On the other hand is the lesson other dictators learn about quelling future democratic uprisings. Mow em down quickly when no one is looking.

    Tiananmen Square already taught that lesson to anyone who was paying attention. We still do business with the Chinese. Which is why I say that whatever the outcry, if we had destroyed Afghanistan in retalliation for 9-11 people would have still done business with us. More carefully and more respectfully, perhaps, but trade is what matters. The Emperor always flies the Choam flag…


  65. 65 | March 16, 2011 3:11 pm

    @ Eliana:

    Hey if Qaddafi pulls this out, Israel should take note. The “Internationa Community” is weak. Brutality preveails.


  66. lobo91
    66 | March 16, 2011 3:11 pm

    Eliana wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Shouldn’t that have scared people off, seriously?
    Absolutely!
    Thanks for correcting my memory on this!!
    It was bad enough that he said it at all, but saying it prior to the election means that a bunch of bobbleheads in this country voted for the guy even after hearing him say this.

    Almost 67 million of them, to be exact…


  67. 67 | March 16, 2011 3:12 pm

    @ Philip_Daniel:

    Hizb ut-Tahrir is openly for a Caliphate.


  68. 68 | March 16, 2011 3:12 pm

    @ Philip_Daniel:

    Yeah, Islam is on the march. Not “radical” Islam, but Islam. Islam is as Islam does. People need to wake up to the deadly enemy that we face.


  69. coldwarrior
    69 | March 16, 2011 3:13 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    The very best thing we can possibly do is find a way to encourage both sides to kill as many of each other as possible for as long as possible.

    run arms to both sides.


  70. 70 | March 16, 2011 3:13 pm

    @ lobo91:

    45-48% of the popel still love this man no matter what.


  71. Eliana
    71 | March 16, 2011 3:13 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Hey if Qaddafi pulls this out, Israel should take note. The “Internationa Community” is weak. Brutality preveails.

    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

    Those nations that used to show up in Israel with armies (decades ago) can’t organize a no-fly zone today and their international fans won’t do it either.

    It’s good to know.


  72. Poteen
    72 | March 16, 2011 3:13 pm

    snowcrash wrote:

    Libya is a tricky one. I am pretty ambivalent. On one hand, the dreaded “Arab Street” will be delivered a stunning blow if they lose to Gadaffy. That is a plus. On the other hand is the lesson other dictators learn about quelling future democratic uprisings. Mow em down quickly when no one is looking. That is the negative.

    Have we identified who the ‘rebels’ are yet? If we assist are we trading one muslim dictator for another?


  73. 73 | March 16, 2011 3:15 pm

    @ Eliana:

    When the enemy is weak, destroy him so that he not grow strong.


  74. 75 | March 16, 2011 3:18 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    The very best thing we can possibly do is find a way to encourage both sides to kill as many of each other as possible for as long as possible.
    run arms to both sides.

    Better yet, get the Russians/Chinese to sell arms to one side while we sell to the other side. That way we cant’s be blamed for keeping the conflict going…


  75. Philip_Daniel
    76 | March 16, 2011 3:19 pm

    Senior Al-Qaeda Commander Abu Yahya Al-Liby Calls upon the Libyans to “Toss Al-Qadhafi into the Bottomless Pit of Disgrace”

    This is, of course, the same Abu Yahya Al-Liby who has said…


    And fight them until there is no Fitnah [polytheism], and religion is wholly for Allah” (8:39): i.e. unless you fight them, there will be Fitnah, and Fitnah is infidelity [kufr] and polytheism [shirk], as the interpreters have said. And in the agreed-upon Hadeeth from Ibn Umar (with whom Allah was pleased), “I have been ordered to fight the people until they testify that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah”…to the end of the Hadeeth…Therefore, let our intent be clear, our target defined and our objective declared: the establishment of Allah’s religion in its complete and comprehensive sense which is articulated by the statement of Allah, “and religion is wholly for Allah”…Jihad…is the highest and greatest form of disassociation…This is our path until everyone submits to the religion of Allah (the Glorious and Great) and complies with its rules and surrenders to its authority…Yes, we believe that all of earth must be under the rule of Islam, with no exception made for the smallest part of it, because our Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was sent to all people without exception. But this in no way means that we will fight all of the peoples of the earth at one go to subjugate them to Islamic Shari’ah. Islam did not order us to do that, but rather, ordered us to fight the nearest, then the next nearest, of those who refuse to submit to Islamic rule and begin with the closest, then the next closest. And in this way, the circle widens until all submit to the rule of Allah.


  76. 77 | March 16, 2011 3:20 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Heh heh heh, win-win situation, we drain the oil-ticks dry while they kill each other…


  77. coldwarrior
    78 | March 16, 2011 3:22 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    The very best thing we can possibly do is find a way to encourage both sides to kill as many of each other as possible for as long as possible.
    run arms to both sides.

    Better yet, get the Russians/Chinese to sell arms to one side while we sell to the other side. That way we cant’s be blamed for keeping the conflict going…

    now yer thinking!


  78. 79 | March 16, 2011 3:22 pm

    We may finally be rid of the Clintons:

    (CNN) – Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer she does not want to serve a second term as secretary of state or run for president of the United States.

    Blitzer sat down with the former 2008 presidential candidate in Cairo.

    Full transcript:

    Q- If the president is reelected, do you want to serve a second term as secretary of state?

    No

    Q- Would you like to serve as secretary of defense?

    No

    Q- Would you like to be vice president of the United States?

    No

    Enough, already. Get thee to a nunnery! :P


  79. 80 | March 16, 2011 3:25 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    We may finally be rid of the Clintons:

    (CNN) – Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer she does not want to serve a second term as secretary of state or run for president of the United States.
    Blitzer sat down with the former 2008 presidential candidate in Cairo.
    Full transcript:
    Q- If the president is reelected, do you want to serve a second term as secretary of state?
    No
    Q- Would you like to serve as secretary of defense?
    No
    Q- Would you like to be vice president of the United States?
    No

    Enough, already. Get thee to a nunnery!

    Nunnery my ass, give her a bottle of scotch and a long rope and send her out to the barn on a wet cold rainy night.


  80. Philip_Daniel
    81 | March 16, 2011 3:26 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    She’s a National Treasure!


  81. coldwarrior
    82 | March 16, 2011 3:26 pm

    containment would work as the muzz are desperately awful and cowardly fighters.

    arm any govt that is on islam’s fringes and let them kill as many muzz as needed.

    try and flip secular muzz countries…actively covertly or otherwise undermine all the others.


  82. lobo91
    83 | March 16, 2011 3:26 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Just think…by 2016, Chelsea will be old enough to run…


  83. 84 | March 16, 2011 3:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Just think…by 2016, Chelsea will be old enough to run…

    Now that is a depressing and scary thought…


  84. Philip_Daniel
    85 | March 16, 2011 3:29 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    Just think…by 2016, Chelsea will be old enough to run…

    Hillary cackles in glee at the very thought of Chelsea’s candidacy…


  85. 86 | March 16, 2011 3:31 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Damn, she’ll be that old? Scary, cause that means I’m really old…


  86. song_and_dance_man
    87 | March 16, 2011 3:32 pm

    I wonder if Cackle Rodham has to buy two seats when she flies?


  87. 88 | March 16, 2011 3:33 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Damn, she’ll be that old? Scary, cause that means I’m really old…

    Yup, so damned old your practically farting dust old boy… :twisted:


  88. lobo91
    89 | March 16, 2011 3:33 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Damn, she’ll be that old? Scary, cause that means I’m really old…

    She turned 31 last month.


  89. citizen_q
    90 | March 16, 2011 3:34 pm

    @ Philip_Daniel:
    Maybe they will use this picture for their campaign buttons
    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/clintonsarafat.jpg


  90. huckfunn
    91 | March 16, 2011 3:34 pm

    Check out this USGS Quake Map. Whole lotta shakin goin on.


  91. 92 | March 16, 2011 3:34 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    I wonder if Cackle Rodham has to buy two seats when she flies?

    One for her, and one for her cankles?


  92. citizen_q
    93 | March 16, 2011 3:35 pm

    @ lobo91:
    If she is anything like her mother, I wonder if her testicles have descended yet.


  93. Philip_Daniel
    94 | March 16, 2011 3:36 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    If she is anything like her mother, I wonder if her testicles have descended yet.

    Maybe Suha Arafat will be her Chief Advisor for Outreach between the Caliphate and the Dar al-Harb…


  94. 95 | March 16, 2011 3:37 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Check out this USGS Quake Map. Whole lotta shakin goin on.

    Actually looks to be settling down quit a bit, especially considering they just had a 9.0…


  95. 96 | March 16, 2011 3:40 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Wow, look at this, very interesting. If you are not familiar with California, this is very subdued activity for here.

    httpv://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqscanv/


  96. huckfunn
    97 | March 16, 2011 3:40 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    If she is anything like her mother, I wonder if her testicles have descended yet.

    Reminds of snakehead’s comment regarding Hillary’s balls:


  97. 99 | March 16, 2011 3:43 pm

    Poteen wrote:

    Mexico: US drones allowed over its territory
    bout time

    But are they armed with Hellfire missiles?


  98. Poteen
    100 | March 16, 2011 3:43 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Poteen wrote:
    Mexico: US drones allowed over its territory
    bout time

    But are they armed with Hellfire missiles?

    One step at a time. :)


  99. Emperor
    101 | March 16, 2011 3:43 pm

    France has been one of the governments most in favour of intervention in Libya…But perhaps not so much anymore. Gaddafi’s son went on European TV today and mentioned Nicolas Sarkozy, after Libyan state TV had threatened for days to reveal a grave secret about Sarkozy.

    Saif Gaddafi alleged that the Libyan government had bankrolled Sarkozy’s 2007 relection campaign, and said that they were working to provide evidence. He also, hilariously, asked for Sarkozy to give back the money.

    This is sure to damage Sarkozy as polls have already suggested he is in danger of coming in third place to the Socialists and the National Front and may not reach the second round of voting in the presidential election next year.

    Sarkozy election campaign was funded by Libya – Gaddafi son

    Muammar Gaddafi’s son has claimed that Libya helped finance Nicolas Sarkozy’s successful re-election campaign in 2007, and demanded that the French president return the money to “the Libyan people.”

    In an interview with the Euronews TV channel, Saif al-Islam Gaddafi said Libya had details of bank transfers and was ready to make them public in a move designed to punish Sarkozy for throwing his weight behind opposition forces.

    Last week, Gaddafi threatened to reveal a “grave secret” that would bring Sarkozy down, with Saif al-Islam calling him “a clown”.

    The Libyan regime is furious at Sarkozy’s efforts to galvanise international action to impose a “no-fly zone” that would prevent Gaddafi from using air power against rebels based in Benghazi.

    Asked what he felt about the French president’s so far unsuccessful efforts to muster support for military intervention, Saif said: “Sarkozy must first give back the money he took from Libya to finance his electoral campaign. We funded it. We have all the details and are ready to reveal everything. The first thing we want this clown to do is to give the money back to the Libyan people. He was given the assistance so he could help them, but he has disappointed us. Give us back our money.”

    Libya has yet to release any incriminating evidence but officials hinted last night that they were preparing to do so.


  100. m
    102 | March 16, 2011 3:45 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    LOL! That was good. She might need one for her ego as well.


  101. RIX
    103 | March 16, 2011 3:45 pm

    @ Eliana:

    It was bad enough that he said it at all, but saying it prior to the election means that a bunch of bobbleheads in this country voted for the guy even after hearing him say this.

    It’s bad enough that so many people ignored his
    messianic comment, but I think that there is a
    hardcore group that believe that he can lower
    sea levels & heal the Earth.


  102. citizen_q
    104 | March 16, 2011 3:45 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    That wasn’t quite fair. Michelle holds onto barak’s balls for safe keeping.


  103. 105 | March 16, 2011 3:46 pm

    @ Emperor:

    Marty McFly: Hey Doc, maybe you shouldn’t have stolen that plutonium from the Libyans…


  104. huckfunn
    106 | March 16, 2011 3:47 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    Check out this USGS Quake Map. Whole lotta shakin goin on.

    Actually looks to be settling down quit a bit, especially considering they just had a 9.0…

    Relatively speaking, yes. But there are sure a lot of +5′s just today. Sounds like a bumpy ride to me.


  105. 107 | March 16, 2011 3:47 pm

    m wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    LOL! That was good. She might need one for her ego as well.

    That fly’s ahead on it’s own 747… :shock:


  106. citizen_q
    108 | March 16, 2011 3:48 pm

    @ Emperor:
    Gotta luf frwance for volunteering us to spend more of our precious lives and treasure to protect muzzies who hate us from other muzzies who hate us.


  107. vagabond trader
    109 | March 16, 2011 3:48 pm

    Let em wallow in each others blood for all I care.Daffy,whom I also deeespise, will either be assassinated or vapo-lock,how old is the fugger? The mysterious popular uprising™ wants a no fly zone,let the EU scrape the rust off whatever they used to fly and polish up their skills.


  108. lobo91
    110 | March 16, 2011 3:50 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Poteen wrote:
    Mexico: US drones allowed over its territory
    bout time
    But are they armed with Hellfire missiles?

    No:

    U.S. Customs and Border Protection has six operational MQ-9s.[28] One based in North Dakota, at the UAS Operations Center in Grand Forks, four in Arizona, at the UAS Operations Center in Sierra Vista and one based at Fort Drum, N.Y.[29] The aircraft are equipped with GA-ASI’s Lynx Synthetic Aperture Radar (Lynx SAR info/web page) and Raytheon’s MTS-B ElectroOptical/Infrared sensors.


  109. 111 | March 16, 2011 3:50 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    huckfunn wrote:
    Check out this USGS Quake Map. Whole lotta shakin goin on.
    Actually looks to be settling down quit a bit, especially considering they just had a 9.0…

    Relatively speaking, yes. But there are sure a lot of +5′s just today. Sounds like a bumpy ride to me.

    Didn’t suggest it wasn’t, but a 5.3 beats the crap out of a 6.7 any day of the week, let me tell you. (yes I have experienced up to a 7.2) After a 7.2 9.0, anything under 5.8 is a relief.


  110. song_and_dance_man
    112 | March 16, 2011 3:52 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Didn’t suggest it wasn’t, but a 5.3 beats the crap out of a 6.7 any day of the week, let me tell you. (yes I have experienced up to a 7.2) After a 7.2 9.0, anything under 5.8 is a relief.

    I lived in L.A. through all the big ones starting in 65.


  111. snowcrash
    113 | March 16, 2011 3:52 pm

    @ RIX:
    Then he needs to get his butt over to Japan and work some magic.


  112. 114 | March 16, 2011 3:56 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Didn’t suggest it wasn’t, but a 5.3 beats the crap out of a 6.7 any day of the week, let me tell you. (yes I have experienced up to a 7.2) After a 7.2 9.0, anything under 5.8 is a relief.
    I lived in L.A. through all the big ones starting in 65.

    Then you know exactly what I mean, after a couple a damned big ones, the 5.1 through 5.8 become more of an adrenalin rush than anything that scares you. After they are done you look around, cuss a bit, then laugh about it because you know it wasn’t all that bad.


  113. huckfunn
    115 | March 16, 2011 4:01 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    @ song_and_dance_man:
    I did some insurance adjusting work in L.A. just after the Northridge Quake. I remember the aftershocks. None probably bigger than a 4.5, but unnerving nonetheless. As many freeways were closed due to collapsed overpasses, all freeway traffic was bumper-to-bumper at a slow crawl. Whenever the line of traffic came to an overpass, no one wanted to be the car under the overpass. The whole line would wait until there was just enough room on the other side and a brave soul would zoom forward.


  114. RIX
    116 | March 16, 2011 4:03 pm

    snowcrash wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Then he needs to get his butt over to Japan and work some magic.

    He’s stressed, he needs to golf & shoot hoops.


  115. 117 | March 16, 2011 4:04 pm

    Eliana wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Hey if Qaddafi pulls this out, Israel should take note. The “Internationa Community” is weak. Brutality preveails.
    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
    Those nations that used to show up in Israel with armies (decades ago) can’t organize a no-fly zone today and their international fans won’t do it either.
    It’s good to know.

    That’s why israel should tell teh EU and UN fuck off. What’re they going to do? Nothing! So Israel shouldn’t stress any attacks from the UN and EU.


  116. NoThreat2U
    118 | March 16, 2011 4:04 pm

    And so it begins…..nuke energy is not safe. The media has done their job. Our reactors are safe where I am. I don’t think the damn Ohio river is gonna go tsunami on us anytime soon. Now they are asking what people think about nuke energy. People are becoming leery of it now. Bastards.


  117. citizen_q
    119 | March 16, 2011 4:05 pm

    @ vagabond trader:
    spot on!


  118. 120 | March 16, 2011 4:06 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Just think…by 2016, Chelsea will be old enough to run…

    No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  119. vagabond trader
    121 | March 16, 2011 4:08 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    :D


  120. 122 | March 16, 2011 4:09 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    @ song_and_dance_man:
    I did some insurance adjusting work in L.A. just after the Northridge Quake. I remember the aftershocks. None probably bigger than a 4.5, but unnerving nonetheless. As many freeways were closed due to collapsed overpasses, all freeway traffic was bumper-to-bumper at a slow crawl. Whenever the line of traffic came to an overpass, no one wanted to be the car under the overpass. The whole line would wait until there was just enough room on the other side and a brave soul would zoom forward.

    The aftershocks from Northridge were 2, 6.0′s, 10, 5.0′s and 13000 between 2.0 and 4.8.


  121. yenta-fada
    123 | March 16, 2011 4:12 pm

    OT Ozero busy erasing border security with Mexico, from a BRIT newspaper:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12640830


  122. huckfunn
    124 | March 16, 2011 4:13 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    @ song_and_dance_man:
    I did some insurance adjusting work in L.A. just after the Northridge Quake. I remember the aftershocks. None probably bigger than a 4.5, but unnerving nonetheless. As many freeways were closed due to collapsed overpasses, all freeway traffic was bumper-to-bumper at a slow crawl. Whenever the line of traffic came to an overpass, no one wanted to be the car under the overpass. The whole line would wait until there was just enough room on the other side and a brave soul would zoom forward.

    The aftershocks from Northridge were 2, 6.0′s, 10, 5.0′s and 13000 between 2.0 and 4.8.

    There was a bunch. I was staying on the second floor of a 3 story motel in Pasadena. I figgered I’d only get mashed half flat. :grin:


  123. yenta-fada
    125 | March 16, 2011 4:14 pm

    @Rodan:

    Your guy Donald Trump was putting Obama down for not enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya sooner. (too embarassed to link to National Enquirer) lol


  124. vagabond trader
    126 | March 16, 2011 4:15 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Are there any volcanos in Cali?


  125. lobo91
    127 | March 16, 2011 4:16 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    @ song_and_dance_man:
    I did some insurance adjusting work in L.A. just after the Northridge Quake. I remember the aftershocks. None probably bigger than a 4.5, but unnerving nonetheless. As many freeways were closed due to collapsed overpasses, all freeway traffic was bumper-to-bumper at a slow crawl. Whenever the line of traffic came to an overpass, no one wanted to be the car under the overpass. The whole line would wait until there was just enough room on the other side and a brave soul would zoom forward.

    It’s strange watching the early Dirty Harry movies, before the Embarcadero Freeway was finished, especially since it’s since been torn down.


  126. 128 | March 16, 2011 4:16 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @Rodan:
    Your guy Donald Trump was putting Obama down for not enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya sooner. (too embarassed to link to National Enquirer) lol

    It’s cool, because the Donald has “Real solutions” to our current troubles, so he can get away with a few little missteps.


  127. NoThreat2U
    129 | March 16, 2011 4:17 pm

    Quietly, over the last few days, a man has been coming to the [Fogel] house bringing food and stocking the kitchen. His name is Rami Levy and he owns a chain of supermarkets. I’ve heard amazing stories about him in the past but this one beats all I have ever heard.

    Every day, Rami Levi comes by the shiva house to the Fogel family and fills the cupboards and refrigerator himself with food for the family and guests. Today, one of the relatives thanked him for this incredible kindness and his response brought me to tears,”You will get used to my face,” he told this family in mourning, “I have committed myself that every week I will deliver food and stock your home until the youngest orphan turns 18 years old.”

    http://blog.standforisrael.org/articles/in-the-midst-of-horror-and-tragedy-one-man-pledges-16-years-of-kindness?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+standforisrael%2FiWIn+%28blog.standforisreal.org%29&utm_content=FaceBook


  128. yenta-fada
    130 | March 16, 2011 4:18 pm

    snowcrash wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Then he needs to get his butt over to Japan and work some magic.

    Nuh uh. Ozero and family off to Rio.

    http://blogs.forbes.com/kenrapoza/2011/03/14/obama-heads-to-rio-sunday-maximum-security-awaits/


  129. lobo91
    131 | March 16, 2011 4:19 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    snowcrash wrote:
    @ RIX:
    Then he needs to get his butt over to Japan and work some magic.
    Nuh uh. Ozero and family off to Rio.
    http://blogs.forbes.com/kenrapoza/2011/03/14/obama-heads-to-rio-sunday-maximum-security-awaits/

    Couldn’t they just go to the Rio casino in Vegas, instead?

    It would be a lot cheaper…


  130. 132 | March 16, 2011 4:20 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I hope the Bush and Kennedy families follows suit.


  131. RIX
    133 | March 16, 2011 4:21 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Mr Obama also announced the US would soon look to “develop new sources of energy in the Gulf of Mexico” with the help of the Mexican government.

    Now that’s interesting, why would we need the help
    of the Mexican Government to drill in the
    Gulf?
    Could it be that he wants to launder money enroute to
    his personal account? Nah, that’s just silly./


  132. yenta-fada
    134 | March 16, 2011 4:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    snowcrash wrote:
    @ RIX:
    Then he needs to get his butt over to Japan and work some magic.
    Nuh uh. Ozero and family off to Rio.
    http://blogs.forbes.com/kenrapoza/2011/03/14/obama-heads-to-rio-sunday-maximum-security-awaits/
    Couldn’t they just go to the Rio casino in Vegas, instead?
    It would be a lot cheaper…

    King and Queen Ozero are bored with staying in the U.S. Too plebian.


  133. lobo91
    135 | March 16, 2011 4:22 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    King and Queen Ozero are bored with staying in the U.S. Too plebian.

    But they don’t even speak Brazilian…
    //


  134. Eliana
    136 | March 16, 2011 4:23 pm

    Rush Limbaugh likes Senator Rubio!


  135. 137 | March 16, 2011 4:23 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @Rodan:
    Your guy Donald Trump was putting Obama down for not enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya sooner. (too embarassed to link to National Enquirer) lol

    Did he really say that? I read somewhere he was against getting involved. If he supports a No fly zone, I’m done with him and have no Dog in the fight for 2012.

    The Progressives really have control over the gOP then.


  136. 138 | March 16, 2011 4:23 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Are there any volcanos in Cali?

    Yea, were on the “Ring of fire”… There are 6 active or likely to be active volcanoes here. Medicine Lake, Mount Shasta, Lassen Peak, Clear Lake, Long Valley (including Inyo, Mono, Mammoth), Coso Peak…

    California Seismic Safety Commission


  137. citizen_q
    139 | March 16, 2011 4:23 pm

    @ lobo91:
    After his serial trashing of Vegas?


  138. 140 | March 16, 2011 4:25 pm

    @ Eliana:

    Yes he lambasted Obama for showing no leadership.


  139. yenta-fada
    141 | March 16, 2011 4:25 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Mr Obama also announced the US would soon look to “develop new sources of energy in the Gulf of Mexico” with the help of the Mexican government.
    Now that’s interesting, why would we need the help
    of the Mexican Government to drill in the
    Gulf?
    Could it be that he wants to launder money enroute to
    his personal account? Nah, that’s just silly./

    Putting on my tinfoil hat, I very much believe that the powers that be want a North American Union. They are building a superhighway that runs from Mexico to Canada. If you think about it, the EPA agenda prevents drilling in the U.S. There are energy resources in Mexico and Canada, even though Canterall in Mexico has declining output. Since watching the Harper G20 billion dollar shutdown of Toronto last summer, I’m pretty sure that he’s down with the program. Tinfoil hat off, for the moment.


  140. huckfunn
    142 | March 16, 2011 4:25 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    It’s strange watching the early Dirty Harry movies, before the Embarcadero Freeway was finished, especially since it’s since been torn down.

    I spent about 4 months in SF on a different insurance gig. Great place to visit. Wouldn’t want to live there. It was 1998 or 99. There was a big power outage in the Bay Area and we were settling lost profits claims. We stayed out in Concord and rode the BART into downtown SF where we had offices on the 18th floor of the PG&E building. It was a great gig and I put on about 20 pounds.


  141. 143 | March 16, 2011 4:25 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    Quietly, over the last few days, a man has been coming to the [Fogel] house bringing food and stocking the kitchen. His name is Rami Levy and he owns a chain of supermarkets. I’ve heard amazing stories about him in the past but this one beats all I have ever heard.
    Every day, Rami Levi comes by the shiva house to the Fogel family and fills the cupboards and refrigerator himself with food for the family and guests. Today, one of the relatives thanked him for this incredible kindness and his response brought me to tears,”You will get used to my face,” he told this family in mourning, “I have committed myself that every week I will deliver food and stock your home until the youngest orphan turns 18 years old.”
    http://blog.standforisrael.org/articles/in-the-midst-of-horror-and-tragedy-one-man-pledges-16-years-of-kindness?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+standforisrael%2FiWIn+%28blog.standforisreal.org%29&utm_content=FaceBook

    That is a man in whom god is surely pleased…


  142. yenta-fada
    144 | March 16, 2011 4:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    @Rodan:
    Your guy Donald Trump was putting Obama down for not enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya sooner. (too embarassed to link to National Enquirer) lol
    Did he really say that? I read somewhere he was against getting involved. If he supports a No fly zone, I’m done with him and have no Dog in the fight for 2012.
    The Progressives really have control over the gOP then.

    OK, here it is:

    http://www.nationalenquirer.com/exclusive_donald_trump_blasts_obama_foreign_policy_apprentice/celebrity/70346


  143. vagabond trader
    145 | March 16, 2011 4:28 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Holy cats,had no idea.Thanks.


  144. 146 | March 16, 2011 4:28 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    Mr Obama also announced the US would soon look to “develop new sources of energy in the Gulf of Mexico” with the help of the Mexican government.
    Now that’s interesting, why would we need the help
    of the Mexican Government to drill in the
    Gulf?
    Could it be that he wants to launder money enroute to
    his personal account? Nah, that’s just silly./
    Putting on my tinfoil hat, I very much believe that the powers that be want a North American Union. They are building a superhighway that runs from Mexico to Canada. If you think about it, the EPA agenda prevents drilling in the U.S. There are energy resources in Mexico and Canada, even though Canterall in Mexico has declining output. Since watching the Harper G20 billion dollar shutdown of Toronto last summer, I’m pretty sure that he’s down with the program. Tinfoil hat off, for the moment.

    Um, their is already a North American Union, it’s Called the United States of America. All you are talking about is adding some more states to that Union.


  145. yenta-fada
    147 | March 16, 2011 4:29 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    King and Queen Ozero are bored with staying in the U.S. Too plebian.
    But they don’t even speak Brazilian…
    //

    No, but they DO speak bazillion. (money printing and spending)


  146. yenta-fada
    148 | March 16, 2011 4:30 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    Mr Obama also announced the US would soon look to “develop new sources of energy in the Gulf of Mexico” with the help of the Mexican government.
    Now that’s interesting, why would we need the help
    of the Mexican Government to drill in the
    Gulf?
    Could it be that he wants to launder money enroute to
    his personal account? Nah, that’s just silly./
    Putting on my tinfoil hat, I very much believe that the powers that be want a North American Union. They are building a superhighway that runs from Mexico to Canada. If you think about it, the EPA agenda prevents drilling in the U.S. There are energy resources in Mexico and Canada, even though Canterall in Mexico has declining output. Since watching the Harper G20 billion dollar shutdown of Toronto last summer, I’m pretty sure that he’s down with the program. Tinfoil hat off, for the moment.
    Um, their is already a North American Union, it’s Called the United States of America. All you are talking about is adding some more states to that Union.

    Excuse me. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.


  147. ThreeHundred
    149 | March 16, 2011 4:30 pm

    Barry has convinced himself that the Obama Doctrine is working perfectly and all is therefore well in the world, so a vacation to Rio is in order.


  148. lobo91
    150 | March 16, 2011 4:31 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Been reading World Nut Daily again?
    //


  149. 151 | March 16, 2011 4:31 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Holy cats,had no idea.Thanks.

    Oh that doesn’t even include the seven them they found just offshore from Santa Barbra.


  150. lobo91
    152 | March 16, 2011 4:32 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    I spent 6 months TDY at my brigade headquarters in Dublin in 2007.

    Personally, it wouldn’t bother me in the least if the entire Bay Area slid off into the Pacific…


  151. 153 | March 16, 2011 4:33 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    yenta-fada wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    Mr Obama also announced the US would soon look to “develop new sources of energy in the Gulf of Mexico” with the help of the Mexican government.
    Now that’s interesting, why would we need the help
    of the Mexican Government to drill in the
    Gulf?
    Could it be that he wants to launder money enroute to
    his personal account? Nah, that’s just silly./
    Putting on my tinfoil hat, I very much believe that the powers that be want a North American Union. They are building a superhighway that runs from Mexico to Canada. If you think about it, the EPA agenda prevents drilling in the U.S. There are energy resources in Mexico and Canada, even though Canterall in Mexico has declining output. Since watching the Harper G20 billion dollar shutdown of Toronto last summer, I’m pretty sure that he’s down with the program. Tinfoil hat off, for the moment.
    Um, their is already a North American Union, it’s Called the United States of America. All you are talking about is adding some more states to that Union.
    Excuse me. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

    Take it up with your government, but hey, they been trying to join the US for 100 years.


  152. 154 | March 16, 2011 4:33 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Well if this is accurate, I’m not supportinmg anyone for 2012.

    I’ll just vote for who the GOP nominee is and then if they beat Obama, I’ll do posts attacking tehir foreign policy.

    The Republican Party’s foreign policy sucks.


  153. RIX
    155 | March 16, 2011 4:33 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Putting on my tinfoil hat, I very much believe that the powers that be want a North American Union.

    I don’t know, but I do think that it has more
    credibility than AGW,
    What I do believe though is that among other things
    Obama is a crook.


  154. yenta-fada
    156 | March 16, 2011 4:33 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Been reading World Nut Daily again?
    //

    ummmm No. I have standards.// lol. The Enquirer has been sued so much that it has learned to get the few facts it works with pretty much accurately.


  155. yenta-fada
    157 | March 16, 2011 4:35 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Putting on my tinfoil hat, I very much believe that the powers that be want a North American Union.
    I don’t know, but I do think that it has more
    credibility than AGW,
    What I do believe though is that among other things
    Obama is a crook.

    Facts are stubborn things. lol


  156. yenta-fada
    158 | March 16, 2011 4:37 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    yenta-fada wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    Mr Obama also announced the US would soon look to “develop new sources of energy in the Gulf of Mexico” with the help of the Mexican government.
    Now that’s interesting, why would we need the help
    of the Mexican Government to drill in the
    Gulf?
    Could it be that he wants to launder money enroute to
    his personal account? Nah, that’s just silly./
    Putting on my tinfoil hat, I very much believe that the powers that be want a North American Union. They are building a superhighway that runs from Mexico to Canada. If you think about it, the EPA agenda prevents drilling in the U.S. There are energy resources in Mexico and Canada, even though Canterall in Mexico has declining output. Since watching the Harper G20 billion dollar shutdown of Toronto last summer, I’m pretty sure that he’s down with the program. Tinfoil hat off, for the moment.
    Um, their is already a North American Union, it’s Called the United States of America. All you are talking about is adding some more states to that Union.
    Excuse me. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
    Take it up with your government, but hey, they been trying to join the US for 100 years.

    That is simply untrue. National sovreignty is a huge issue for Canadians. It is Quebec that wants to leave. (please, please)


  157. 159 | March 16, 2011 4:39 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    yenta-fada wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    yenta-fada wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    Mr Obama also announced the US would soon look to “develop new sources of energy in the Gulf of Mexico” with the help of the Mexican government.
    Now that’s interesting, why would we need the help
    of the Mexican Government to drill in the
    Gulf?
    Could it be that he wants to launder money enroute to
    his personal account? Nah, that’s just silly./
    Putting on my tinfoil hat, I very much believe that the powers that be want a North American Union. They are building a superhighway that runs from Mexico to Canada. If you think about it, the EPA agenda prevents drilling in the U.S. There are energy resources in Mexico and Canada, even though Canterall in Mexico has declining output. Since watching the Harper G20 billion dollar shutdown of Toronto last summer, I’m pretty sure that he’s down with the program. Tinfoil hat off, for the moment.
    Um, their is already a North American Union, it’s Called the United States of America. All you are talking about is adding some more states to that Union.
    Excuse me. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
    Take it up with your government, but hey, they been trying to join the US for 100 years.
    That is simply untrue. National sovreignty is a huge issue for Canadians. It is Quebec that wants to leave. (please, please)

    ROTFLMAO… yea, sure, don’t feel bad, everybody wants to join the US, hell Mexico wants to so bad they refuse to take no for an answer and are squatting here until we give in and take them… :shock:


  158. yenta-fada
    160 | March 16, 2011 4:40 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Well if this is accurate, I’m not supportinmg anyone for 2012.
    I’ll just vote for who the GOP nominee is and then if they beat Obama, I’ll do posts attacking tehir foreign policy.
    The Republican Party’s foreign policy sucks.

    That the RINOs exist in such large numbers is telling. It’s become more like 2 companies working for the same corporation. No wonder there’s no foreign policy. You say it yourself when you talk about ‘transnational’. Republicans and Democrats are subsidiaries, even though they have sticking points. They are not about to give up their perks from the bosses.


  159. yenta-fada
    161 | March 16, 2011 4:42 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Again, not everybody wants to join the US. Canadians have a different system, warts and all. Do you really think that everyone wants to be you? (not in the personal sense, of course) :-)


  160. 162 | March 16, 2011 4:43 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Again, not everybody wants to join the US. Canadians have a different system, warts and all. Do you really think that everyone wants to be you? (not in the personal sense, of course)

    Well actually, yes, especially in the personal sense… :razz:


  161. 163 | March 16, 2011 4:44 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    The Sad part is I agree with Trump on almost everything except this Libya crap.

    What can oen do!


  162. yenta-fada
    164 | March 16, 2011 4:46 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    The Sad part is I agree with Trump on almost everything except this Libya crap.
    What can oen do!

    Marco Rubio for president?


  163. yenta-fada
    165 | March 16, 2011 4:47 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    @ doriangrey:
    Again, not everybody wants to join the US. Canadians have a different system, warts and all. Do you really think that everyone wants to be you? (not in the personal sense, of course)
    Well actually, yes, especially in the personal sense…

    I think that brinks are not gonna work for this one. lol


  164. 166 | March 16, 2011 4:48 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    The Sad part is I agree with Trump on almost everything except this Libya crap.
    What can oen do!

    Well, you could always be a pragmatist and continue to support someone who you agree with more than you disagree with, no shame in that.


  165. 167 | March 16, 2011 4:50 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    yenta-fada wrote:
    @ doriangrey:
    Again, not everybody wants to join the US. Canadians have a different system, warts and all. Do you really think that everyone wants to be you? (not in the personal sense, of course)
    Well actually, yes, especially in the personal sense…
    I think that brinks are not gonna work for this one. lol

    Just throw silver then, but please, wrap it in bills so the sharp edges don’t cut my rugged handsome face… :razz: :lol: :lol: :lol:


  166. 168 | March 16, 2011 4:54 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Preferably large denomination since the Canadian dollar is, shall we say, currently worth less than it’s American counter-part… :shock:


  167. yenta-fada
    169 | March 16, 2011 5:00 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Preferably large denomination since the Canadian dollar is, shall we say, currently worth less than it’s American counter-part…

    You don’t know your Canuckistan. The Canadian dollar is currently above the U.S. dollar. It has backed down from a high of $1.03 versus the U.S. The Canuck buck has been seen as a commodity currency and has tracked, more or less, the price of oil.


  168. RIX
    170 | March 16, 2011 5:00 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Marco Rubio for president?

    Rubio would out image Obama & beat him on
    the likeability factor.
    In debate though, Chris Christy would reduce Obama
    to the fetal position.


  169. yenta-fada
    171 | March 16, 2011 5:01 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    yenta-fada wrote:
    @ doriangrey:
    Again, not everybody wants to join the US. Canadians have a different system, warts and all. Do you really think that everyone wants to be you? (not in the personal sense, of course)
    Well actually, yes, especially in the personal sense…
    I think that brinks are not gonna work for this one. lol
    Just throw silver then, but please, wrap it in bills so the sharp edges don’t cut my rugged handsome face…

    I’ll be vewy vewy careful.


  170. 172 | March 16, 2011 5:20 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    @ doriangrey:
    Preferably large denomination since the Canadian dollar is, shall we say, currently worth less than it’s American counter-part…
    You don’t know your Canuckistan. The Canadian dollar is currently above the U.S. dollar. It has backed down from a high of $1.03 versus the U.S. The Canuck buck has been seen as a commodity currency and has tracked, more or less, the price of oil.

    No it aint…

    1 US dollar = 0.9918 Canadian dollars :razz:


  171. Macker
    173 | March 16, 2011 7:05 pm

    @ Philip_Daniel:

    Y’know, that makes a very interesting ringtone….


  172. Macker
    174 | March 16, 2011 7:06 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    What, you don’t say “eh” afterwards, eh? 8)


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