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Iranian Mullahs and MPs Waging Jihad Against Dogs

by 1389AD ( 140 Comments › )
Filed under Iran, Jihad, Koran, Open thread, Sharia (Islamic Law) at March 19th, 2011 - 11:34 am

As I’ve mentioned before (see Dog Haters in Iran and San Francisco), Iran’s mullahs have been issuing fatwas against dogs. Dogs are targeted not only as unclean animals under shari’a law, but also as symbols of Western influence. Ads for pets and for pet products have already been banned in Iran.

Keeping – and pampering – a pet dog has become a symbolic means for dissident Iranians to protest against the regime of the mullahs.

Dogs: Iran’s symbol of rebellion

…Over the past few years, dog ownership has become yet another unlikely arena for the social and political dispute within the tumultuous politics of Iran.

It is well known that dogs, along with pigs, are considered unclean in Islam. Strictly speaking, the theology doesn’t ban their ownership, or petting; the Sunna prescribes that dogs are “pollutants”, contact with them rendering believers ritually unclean. This means that ritual cleansing is required before one is able to perform prayers. Despite this, dogs have been kept by Muslims for centuries. For example, salukis, an ancient breed of hunting dog, have historically been valued by the Bedouin, who breed them for both their beauty and their prowess in hunting.

However, having domesticated animals free to roam inside a house, contact with which would require ritual cleansing, would be quite tricky from a practical point of view for Muslims who are required to pray five times a day – even though there is no actual legal prohibition of dog ownership.

The Islamic Republic of Iran makes not only the application of the laws of Islam its constitutional duty, but also the promotion of godly behaviour its social remit. It has an Orwellian state ministry tasked with the promotion of “better behaviour” according to Islamic mores. This is the sharpest point at which the ideological state comes into contact with a people, who are at least as fun loving as they are God fearing.

…The state prohibition of anything in Iran is an open invitation for its widespread social promotion. Blond hair and garish makeup, nose jobs (of which Iran is the world capital) and extravagantly sculpted and gelled hairstyles for boys are all forms of sedition – political statements with a small “p”. The state’s legitimacy is thus questioned and openly ridiculed, at least by a certain section of the population.

As it happens, opponents of the state and its ideology also have the means and the spare time to indulge in such practices because they are, by and large, members of the affluent urban elite. But the religiously informed state disapproval of dogs in Iran has a deeper resonance than a garish pair of Dolce & Gabbana crystal-studded sunglasses. Before the Muslim invasion and conversion, Iran’s state religion was Zoroastrianism. In ancient Iran, dogs were particularly treasured and well-treated animals. The Gathas were explicit in the promotion of dogs as good and godly creatures; furthermore, the Zoroastrians believed that the bridge to the afterlife was guarded by dogs, so being nice to dogs in this world might have its reward in the hereafter.

After the Islamic conquest and the gradual but eventual mass conversion of Iranians from their national religion, disdain for dogs was not only a way for the conquerors of humiliating nation but a way for the new converts to prove their devotion to their new religion…

…Dogs are now as much symbols of safe, middle-class resistance as false eyelashes and green wristbands. Pooches have never had it so good, and rare breeds, especially small lap dogs, change hand for tens, sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars.

An underground industry of dog beauty parlours thrives, mostly run out of private homes, as do a plethora of canine protection and welfare charities. A legal and substantial kennel industry has developed into what is fancily called “dog spas” where the middle class deposit their dogs when on holiday or, in the case of some of my conflicted relatives, when a devout auntie comes to stay…

Read it all.

Perhaps that is why the Iranian mullahocracy’s jihad against dogs is escalating. Some Iranian MPs are doing all they can to make it impossible for Iranians to keep dogs as pets.

In Iran, the Despots Grow Desperate

…In 1999, the then-head of the judiciary, Mullah Mohammad Yazdi, ruled that dogs must not be taken to public places. At the time, he conceded that they could be kept in people’s homes. But in June 2010, the senior hardline mullah Nasser Makarem-Shirazi issued an edict eradicating that privilege. When asked to clarify the position of Islamic religious law on the growing number of dogs kept as pets in Iran’s big cities, the senior cleric postulated that keeping pet dogs was an irrational imitation of Westerners, who often love their dogs more than their husbands, wives, and children. Makarem Shirazi also claimed that there are many references to dogs being unclean in Islam, though the Quran itself does not specifically address the topic.

The pets issue has fueled a perennially heated debate, but in recent weeks it reached a fever pitch in the Iranian parliament (Majles). Thirty-nine MPs submitted a resolution that would prohibit dog owners from walking their dogs in public. The resolution’s preamble maintains that keeping dogs and taking them for walks on the streets has become a serious problem in Iran’s big cities. The MPs claimed that dog-walking poses a public health hazard and deepens the threat of cultural corruption. If they can’t stop Iranians from owning dogs, the MPs figure, they can squeeze them out of their homes and forbid their presence on the streets.

Should the resolution pass, a dog owner caught walking his dog would be fined up to five million rials — approximately $500.

The pooch itself would face a steeper penalty: euthanization.

What’s more, if other residents of an apartment building or a house object to a fellow resident’s pet, that alone is grounds for the pet to be impounded by the regime’s authorities. And to top it off, the resolution gives full authority to the Ministry of Health to come up with a list of other animals considered dangerous or unclean.

If all this isn’t absurd enough, it was recently reported that the Iranian regime is cloning 4000 drug-sniffing dogs to help in their so-called anti-narcotic campaign. Since the regime has been outed as one of the world’s biggest heroin traffickers, Iran’s mullahs have succeeded only in supplying their subjects with yet another punchline.

Read it all.


Rodan Update:

There are reports of French Reconnaissance jets over Libya.

BENGHAZI, Libya (Reuters) – French reconnaissance planes flew over Libya on Saturday, in the first sign that international air strikes may be imminent while Muammar Gaddafi’s forces tried to push into the rebel-held city of Benghazi.

“There are French reconnaissance aircraft over Libya,” a French military source told Reuters at 2:15 p.m. British time.

The advance by Gaddafi’s troops into Libya’s second city of 670,000 people appeared to be an attempt to pre-empt Western air strikes which diplomats say will come after an international meeting currently underway in Paris.

Once again Western powers are coming to the rescue of Islamic forces. This is just pathetic and shows the amount of Islamic infiltration of Western governments. Islamic interests over ride the will of the voters in Europe and America.

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  1. 1 | March 19, 2011 11:38 am

    1600 years ago, Caravan owners, fed up with Mohammad raiding their Caravans and killing their people used dogs to track Mohammad down. Mohammad’s followers still haven’t forgiven the dogs for cornering their master.


  2. 2 | March 19, 2011 11:40 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    1600 years ago, Caravan owners, fed up with Mohammad raiding their Caravans and killing their people used dogs to track Mohammad down. Mohammad’s followers still haven’t forgiven the dogs for cornering their master.

    I wish those dogs had killed him. I also read that when the first Mosque was built, a pack of dogs came and pissed in it. The Dogs knew Islam is trash.


  3. 3 | March 19, 2011 11:40 am

    Did a Libya Update to this thread.


  4. Nevergiveup
    4 | March 19, 2011 11:44 am

    Italian planes start mission over Libya-Al Arabiya
    Published: 03.19.11, 17:25 / Israel News

    Al Arabiya television channel reported on Saturday that Italian planes had started a surveillance mission over Libya on Saturday, after French planes also began reconnaissance over the North African country.

    The television channel cited its correspondent in a brief headline with news about the Italian planes, without giving further details. A french official stated that Mirage and Rafale fighters were flying over Benghazi, and could strike Libyan tanks. (AP)

    Hey I could be wrong, but I think most of this just for show and not for go


  5. 5 | March 19, 2011 11:46 am

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Check my update.


  6. 6 | March 19, 2011 11:46 am

    We’ll go to war in Libya to help the Muslim Brotherhood, but we won’t help the people of Iran against their despots. Why? The answer has to be in the fact that helping the people of Iran won’t advance Islamic dominance. Then Obama wonders why people think he’s a Muslim…


  7. 7 | March 19, 2011 11:47 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Did a Libya Update to this thread.

    You should add the link to the Rebels shooting down their own Mirage Jet fighter. (I tried posting this in the previous thread but for some reason it didn’t work) Now that it has been exposed that the rebels have their own jet fighters, I have reversed my prior opinion that we should have enforced a no-fly zone. Not only do we have no business getting involved in Libya’s civil war, neither does anyone else in the world.


  8. Nevergiveup
    8 | March 19, 2011 11:47 am

    “Apparently” this “mission” is being carried out under the auspicious of the UN and France. My head is pounding just thinking of that


  9. 9 | March 19, 2011 11:48 am

    While the othjer major Republican candidates all are in lock step with the Tranzi agenda, Trump knows who we should be going after.

    Finally an American politician who’s willing to take the gloves off with the Muzzies.


  10. refugee000
    10 | March 19, 2011 11:49 am

    The mullahs have this Bahrain thing all figured out.

    Important Fatwa of Grand Ayatollah Vahid Khorasani: Is is Duty of Eevery Muslim to Help the Oppressed People of Bahrain

    …Jews and Christians are murdering the people of Bahrain


  11. 11 | March 19, 2011 11:50 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    We will do nothing to the Somali pirates.


  12. 12 | March 19, 2011 11:51 am

    Rodan wrote:

    While the othjer major Republican candidates all are in lock step with the Tranzi agenda, Trump knows who we should be going after.
    Finally an American politician who’s willing to take the gloves off with the Muzzies.

    But, he’s pro-union and pro-collective bargaining.


  13. 13 | March 19, 2011 11:52 am

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    “Apparently” this “mission” is being carried out under the auspicious of the UN and France. My head is pounding just thinking of that

    This seems like a good comedy movie.


  14. 14 | March 19, 2011 11:52 am

    @ Nevergiveup:
    France doesn’t do well in wars unless they are led by a young girl or a corcican…


  15. 15 | March 19, 2011 11:54 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    France doesn’t do well in wars unless they are led by a young girl or a corcican…

    Hmmm, maybe they can find a young Corsican girl to lead them?


  16. Alberta Oil Peon
    16 | March 19, 2011 11:55 am

    Kind of OT, but here is a short and interesting op-ed piece in Canada’s National Post, Rex Murphy.


  17. 17 | March 19, 2011 11:55 am

    @ doriangrey:

    But, he’s pro-union and pro-collective bargaining.

    So am I in private industry and that’s the perspective he’s talking about. I oppose it for state governments. He praised Walker for his leadership and said this should be a state issue.

    At least he’s not pushing the Tranzi-Internationalist agenda like your candidate is.


  18. 18 | March 19, 2011 11:56 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    To be fair, the French Army was strong in the late 1600′s to 1700′s under the Bourbon Kings.

    Guess what!

    They were of Basque origins!

    :lol:


  19. 19 | March 19, 2011 11:56 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:

    But, he’s pro-union and pro-collective bargaining.
    So am I in private industry and that’s the perspective he’s talking about. I oppose it for state governments. He praised Walker for his leadership and said this should be a state issue.
    At least he’s not pushing the Tranzi-Internationalist agenda like your candidate is.

    New flash, Unions are Tranzi-Internationalist, period. So, you and Trump are Tranzi-Internationalist.


  20. refugee000
    20 | March 19, 2011 11:58 am

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:

    A number of editorials in foreign media is noting the obvious…that under Hussein the US is abdicating any leadership in the world.


  21. NoThreat2U
    21 | March 19, 2011 12:00 pm

    Compare And Contrast

    Fortuno, the first Republican governor in PR since 1969, didn’t call for a gigantic stimulus the moment he took office. He didn’t ask for a bailout. Nope – instead, he cut government expenses by 20%, including a salary reduction for himself of 10%. He cut government perks (cars, cell phones, credit cards) by 10%. He eliminated 17,000 government jobs, and he streamlined services by making more of them available on line. He cut the corporate tax rate from 41% to 30%, and it’ll go down another 5% in 3 years. He’s cutting individual tax rates by 29% starting in 2013

    http://chicksontheright.com/2011/03/19/compare-and-contrast-8/


  22. 22 | March 19, 2011 12:05 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Palin is a Tranzi-Internationalist Wilsonian. She wants America to intervene everywhere and spread Democracy at the point of a gun. Eternal revolution, straight form Robespierre and the Jacobins.

    As for Unions, some industries need them like Coal mining, Steel mills and other hazardous industries. State governments don’t need them at all.


  23. wolfie
    23 | March 19, 2011 12:05 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Hey I could be wrong, but I think most of this just for show and not for go

    Agreed.
    I don’t think the Euros have any interest in actually bombing anyone. That would make them feel guilty.

    Better they should convince the Americans to do it. Then they can turn around and call us killer cowboys.


  24. 24 | March 19, 2011 12:07 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    If Puerto Rico was a state, this guy Fortuno should be running for President. He technically could, but would have to resign as governor of PR.


  25. 25 | March 19, 2011 12:08 pm

    @ wolfie:

    What the Euros want is to have one of their air craft shot down and we have to come to the rescue.

    What sickens me is that the majority of Europeans and Americans oppose this yet our governments are going against the will of the people.


  26. 26 | March 19, 2011 12:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Palin is a Tranzi-Internationalist Wilsonian. She wants America to intervene everywhere and spread Democracy at the point of a gun. Eternal revolution, straight form Robespierre and the Jacobins.
    As for Unions, some industries need them like Coal mining, Steel mills and other hazardous industries. State governments don’t need them at all.

    And you and Trump are Tranzi-Internationalist union supporters. There are no longer any realistic justifications for any unions. Ever heard of OSHA? Go ahead and explain how the unions help the auto industry, or the Airline industry, the Education industry, how about construction or Services? Or any other industry? No, at the top, where the decision are made, all unions are socialist/Marxist organization which do nothing but collect money to promote Marxist influences in politics.


  27. pat
    27 | March 19, 2011 12:12 pm

    Obama met with rioting in Brazil. lol. What a doofus. Can’t they just let him eat his waffle?


  28. Poteen
    28 | March 19, 2011 12:13 pm

    This is a grand opportunity.
    Subsidize American dog breeders. It would be so appropriate if the Iranian mullocracy was taken down in a “Poodle Revolution”.


  29. 29 | March 19, 2011 12:14 pm

    pat wrote:

    Obama met with rioting in Brazil. lol. What a doofus. Can’t they just let him eat his waffle?

    I believe they would love to just let him eat his waffle, they just insist he do it some place else, preferably in Kenya where he belongs.


  30. vagabond trader
    30 | March 19, 2011 12:15 pm

    Not enough for mullahs to hang gays and stone women,they have to start in on mans best friend? Even in the Dark Ages of Europe dogs were valued as companions and helpers. What degenerates.


  31. wolfie
    31 | March 19, 2011 12:16 pm

    Poteen wrote:

    It would be so appropriate if the Iranian mullocracy was taken down in a “Poodle Revolution”.

    Yes!
    And while we’re at it, we should do everything in our power to revive Zoroastrianism.
    Canine rights!


  32. RIX
    32 | March 19, 2011 12:17 pm

    pat wrote:

    Obama met with rioting in Brazil. lol. What a doofus. Can’t they just let him eat his waffle?

    My guess is that he will attribute it to residual
    resentment of the “Criminal” Bush.
    They have just not truly appreciated his fabulousness
    yet.


  33. vagabond trader
    33 | March 19, 2011 12:17 pm

    DEMOCRACY,POPULAR UPRISING™ IN ACTION!


  34. pat
    34 | March 19, 2011 12:18 pm

    you vote here on the wisdom of Obama vacation number 14 in Brazil

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/03/18/obama-stay-home-stick-travel-plans/


  35. wolfie
    35 | March 19, 2011 12:18 pm

    pat wrote:

    Obama met with rioting in Brazil. lol. What a doofus. Can’t they just let him eat his waffle?

    :lol:
    All the poor guy wanted was a nice vacation in Rio.


  36. vagabond trader
    36 | March 19, 2011 12:19 pm

    @ pat:

    So long as we don’t have to look at squatch in one of those Copacabana thongs. :mrgreen:


  37. NoThreat2U
    37 | March 19, 2011 12:21 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I dont think it would be wise for them to become a state. They would be completely under the tutelage of this regime. At least now they retain some autonomy. Would you want to be a part of the US as it is now? I wouldn’t.


  38. Poteen
    38 | March 19, 2011 12:21 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    @ Rodan:

    The unions have become larger than the industries they deal with. The UAW is more powerful than Ford or GM. Now, with gov’t money, they own GM.
    Public employee unions have bought influence with votes.
    Unions, per se, aren’t the problem. Public corruption is.
    Hanging a few Congressmen would be a good start to solving our debt crisis.
    no sarc


  39. wolfie
    39 | March 19, 2011 12:22 pm

    @ vagabond trader:

    That comment was cruel and unusual.
    :shock:


  40. 40 | March 19, 2011 12:22 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Nope. We let the people kidnaped and the shipping companies pay the Jizya, and let the Mohammedan Menace go unchecked.


  41. 41 | March 19, 2011 12:23 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Go ahead and explain how the unions help the auto industry, or the Airline industry, the Education industry, how about construction or Services?

    Did I said I support it for those industries? Nope I said specifically Coal mining, steel mills and hazardous industries. People get hurt in those industries and some of the management do try to cut corners. Hence in those industries workers should be organized/

    Now, what’s your take on the Palin Doctrine? It’s a Tranzi inspired war without end to spread “democracy” at the point of gun. There is nothing Conservative about that.


  42. 42 | March 19, 2011 12:24 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Nope. We let the people kidnaped and the shipping companies pay the Jizya, and let the Mohammedan Menace go unchecked.

    But a few Libyans die in combat and we have to go to war. 30-40,000 Mexicans have died and no one cares about them. I’m sick of Arabs being so special. It sickens me.


  43. 43 | March 19, 2011 12:25 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I dont think it would be wise for them to become a state. They would be completely under the tutelage of this regime. At least now they retain some autonomy. Would you want to be a part of the US as it is now? I wouldn’t.

    :lol:

    Yeah I do support PR statehood, but with the current regime they are better off just being part of the US without being under Federal control.


  44. 44 | March 19, 2011 12:25 pm

    @ Poteen:

    Hanging a few Congressmen would be a good start to solving our debt crisis.

    :lol:


  45. 45 | March 19, 2011 12:25 pm

    @ pat:

    Heh™ You have to love Leftists. They are never satisfied…


  46. Macker
    46 | March 19, 2011 12:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:

    1600 years ago, Caravan owners, fed up with Mohammad raiding their Caravans and killing their people used dogs to track Mohammad down. Mohammad’s followers still haven’t forgiven the dogs for cornering their master.

    I wish those dogs had killed him. I also read that when the first Mosque was built, a pack of dogs came and pissed in it. The Dogs knew Islam is trash.

    And if they had killed Mo, Lord only knows who (or what) would have taken its place…maybe even something worse!


  47. Macker
    47 | March 19, 2011 12:27 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ pat:

    Heh™ You have to love Leftists. They are never satisfied…

    Which is why they love to frak and frak and frak and frak and frak and frak and frak and frak…and frak until it hurts and then frak some more!


  48. Nevergiveup
    48 | March 19, 2011 12:30 pm

    Hillary is on TV talking. About what I have no idea


  49. Poteen
    49 | March 19, 2011 12:31 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Poteen:
    Hanging a few Congressmen would be a good start to solving our debt crisis.

    I meant no sarc.
    Public corruption should be a capital offense.
    As it is, corruptibility is a job skill.


  50. wolfie
    50 | March 19, 2011 12:31 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    I dont think it would be wise for them to become a state. They would be completely under the tutelage of this regime. At least now they retain some autonomy. Would you want to be a part of the US as it is now? I wouldn’t.

    I have a brother who’s lived in Puerto Rico for 20+ years. The clear majority prefer that PR stay as a Commonwealth.

    (That is why the Pelosi bill demanding another statehood plebiscite lets non-resident PRicans vote in it, a provision that enfuriates Islanders of all parties. The Dems will get their goons community organizers to bring out the Newyorican vote.)


  51. 51 | March 19, 2011 12:34 pm

    @ Macker:

    No, the Eastern Roman Empire and the Sassanian Persians would have recovered from their wars. Nothing coming out of Arabia would have defeated these 2 nations at full strength.


  52. NoThreat2U
    52 | March 19, 2011 12:36 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Exactly my point.


  53. 53 | March 19, 2011 12:36 pm

    @ wolfie:

    Peureto Ricans from the Island are actually Conservative and traditional Hispanic. Many on the mainland have fallen for the victim crap.

    I laugh at a Spaniard or Italian looking Rican claiming he’s a Taino Indian!

    :lol:

    It’s possible they may have some, but look in the mirror. I always tell them: Boriqua, tu eres Blanco.


  54. Macker
    54 | March 19, 2011 12:41 pm

    @ Rodan:

    If we are to admit any new states from this point forward…English should be the Official Language of the United States, preferably by Constitutional Amendment.


  55. 55 | March 19, 2011 12:42 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Go ahead and explain how the unions help the auto industry, or the Airline industry, the Education industry, how about construction or Services?
    Did I said I support it for those industries? Nope I said specifically Coal mining, steel mills and hazardous industries. People get hurt in those industries and some of the management do try to cut corners. Hence in those industries workers should be organized/
    Now, what’s your take on the Palin Doctrine? It’s a Tranzi inspired war without end to spread “democracy” at the point of gun. There is nothing Conservative about that.

    Sorry, you dont get it, OSHA has eliminated any useful function that the unions ever served, dont even give me any crap about hazardous industries, I have worked in plenty of them (Nuclear and hazardous material remediation) and unions are as useful in them as silicone tits on a nuclear submarine.

    Face reality dude, your support of Unions is nothing less than support of Marxism, you have been brainwashed by public indoctrination to accept the notion that unions are somehow good, when in reality, they are nothing short of a Marxist infiltration of capitalist societies. Their goals are pure Marxism, collective bargaining, making the workers equal with the owners? That son is Marxism.

    As to Sarah Palin, well your claims are nothing but smear tactics, exactly like the democrat liberals do, hmmm, you support Marxism via unions, employ Marxist Alinski tactics against anyone you dont like. Intentional knowingly and willingly distort the facts to suit your agenda just like a Marxist.

    You are not making a case for anyone taking your opinions or position any more seriously then they would Nancy Pelosi’s. If you cant support your candidate without resorting to smearing the other candidates of the same party then seriously, whose side are you really on?

    Is Sarah Palin perfect? No, there are no perfect candidates, but lying about and smearing with Alinski tactics people who are on your own side in an attempt to bolster you own personal choice, no seriously, whose damn side are you on? Because it sure as hell doesn’t appear, based on empirical evidence to be the Conservative’s side.


  56. Macker
    56 | March 19, 2011 12:45 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Here’s a good question: should OSHA even BE in existence at the Federal level in the 21st Century?


  57. wolfie
    57 | March 19, 2011 12:47 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Peureto Ricans from the Island are actually Conservative and traditional Hispanic. Many on the mainland have fallen for the victim crap.

    That’s the thing.
    It comes down to a matter of cultural pride and preservation. The Islanders are proud of their heritage, whereas mainlanders soon become one more group of pathetic victims.

    BTW, my boricua SIL is at least as black as Obama, but that doesn’t mean anything in PRico. She doesn’t identify with “African-American” at all. And she can’t stand Obama.

    (She and my brother were lifelong moderate Democrats but Obama woke them up. They voted for McCain and Fortuno!)


  58. vagabond trader
  59. Nevergiveup
    59 | March 19, 2011 12:49 pm

    Hillary was asked: What is the purpose of the no-fly zone? Is it to remove Qadaffi or just make him stop attacking? he said just to make him stop attacking? Fine, but then how come Obama has said Qadaffi has to leave?


  60. vagabond trader
    60 | March 19, 2011 12:51 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    and how long does this no fly action have to go on? Til Ghadaffi takes a dirt nap and the islamist rebels take over?


  61. pat
    61 | March 19, 2011 12:51 pm

    “When told that
    there were Brazillions protesting him Barry asked,
    ‘how many is a Brazillion?’”

    LOL. Everyone knows in reality Obama is a dolt.

    That was from Lucianne.
    http://www.lucianne.com/


  62. Nevergiveup
    62 | March 19, 2011 12:51 pm

    And Hillary is SO SO Happy with all the people in Libya’s Gov that have “defected” . Hum? So all those years they were IN the Qadaffi Gov, just pay no never mind to that?


  63. Macker
    63 | March 19, 2011 12:52 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Hillary was asked: What is the purpose of the no-fly zone? Is it to remove Qadaffi or just make him stop attacking? he said just to make him stop attacking? Fine, but then how come Obama has said Qadaffi has to leave?

    And said No-Fly Zone certainly won’t stop Gadaffi from lobbing mustard gas artillery shells at the rebels….


  64. coldwarrior
    64 | March 19, 2011 12:53 pm

    bump from last thread

    coldwarrior wrote:

    bbl…gotta go to the market.
    6 nations rugby championship is on at 1:00pm on bbcamerica.
    england v ireland…will be a great match for those of you that are unfamiliar with the sport, i invite yinz to take a look at it.


  65. eaglesoars
    65 | March 19, 2011 12:53 pm

    Hi everybody!

    Sarah Palin is a tranzi? Wow. News to me.

    As for Obama check out the NYT laughing at him. He’s being told what to do by the women.

    So whether you voted for Hillary or not, she is now running the country. And don’t think other countries haven’t noticed.

    As for dogs – Iran is hardly alone. We’ve had 2 different Saudi families as neighbors. One was just fine with Molly the Beagle, the other had a problem. Unfortunately they made their problem my problem and that was a mistake on their part.


  66. vagabond trader
    66 | March 19, 2011 12:53 pm

    @ pat:

    :lol:


  67. Nevergiveup
    67 | March 19, 2011 12:54 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    So whether you voted for Hillary or not, she is now running the country. And don’t think other countries haven’t noticed.

    No she isn’t. Sarkozy is


  68. wolfie
    68 | March 19, 2011 12:56 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    And Hillary is SO SO Happy with all the people in Libya’s Gov that have “defected” . Hum? So all those years they were IN the Qadaffi Gov, just pay no never mind to that?

    Pay no mind.
    Also pay no mind to Obama’s decision to rejoin the UN Human Rights Council when Daffy was running it.


  69. Guggi
    69 | March 19, 2011 12:56 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    And Hillary is SO SO Happy with all the people in Libya’s Gov that have “defected” . Hum? So all those years they were IN the Qadaffi Gov, just pay no never mind to that?

    What is happening now in Libya is a new kind of colonialism. Till today there is no proof that G.’s troops have committed any kind of “massacre”.

    Mr. Bruni seems to believe France is still a global player and O. doesn’t get it.


  70. 70 | March 19, 2011 12:57 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    :lol:

    Let me tell you something, I come from Rightwing pedigree. My family in Spain were supporters and fought for Franco against the Communists. My Dominican relatives served in the government of Trujillo who was Rightwing. My Colombian relatives were members of the AUC who fought communists. My Grandfather voted for Goldwater and Reagan was like a Saint in my house growing up.

    For the majority of my life i have seen the Conservative movement hijacked by people who’s interests aren’t Conservative. We had a Republican President and Congress 2002-2006 and nothing Conservative was done. 9/11 got used as an excuse for an ideological Democracy spreading project of the kind Woodrow Wilson who was a Leftist would be proud of.

    I attack Mitt Romney, Gingrich, Huckabee, Pawlenty and Daniels becasue they support this Tranzi invade everyone for academic theories crap. Palin has come out in support of this with her Palin doctrine. She’s fair game as far as I’m concerned.

    Trump and Haley Barbour are against this Wilsonian agenda. I’m tired of the US sending people to die for academic theories and for some internationalist agenda. If we fight, it needs to be to win and for ourselves or real allies.

    Look at how many Conservatives are rolling over like poodles and going along with the Progressives in this Libya crap. Well your hero Palin is one of them. I oppose intervention in Libya and will attack anyone who supports it. She’s not special and is a fair target.

    My Rightwing credentials are solid. I just don’t follow so called Conservative leaders. I think for myself and use my own judgment.


  71. coldwarrior
    71 | March 19, 2011 12:57 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    would you like to explain how the teamsters are good for ups?

    i can go on all day about that

    or about how the IBEW showed first energy how to train employees in multiple jobs so that the peeps would be working the whole shift and that the company wouldn’t have to hire extra people? union idea there, saved the company millions


  72. wolfie
    72 | March 19, 2011 12:57 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    No she isn’t. Sarkozy is

    Ah, you are always the optimist!


  73. Nevergiveup
    73 | March 19, 2011 12:58 pm

    French Jet jas fired on a truck? on the ground. OOh that’l show em


  74. 74 | March 19, 2011 12:59 pm

    @ wolfie:

    In our culture your color or race is irrelevant. It’s more of a class and family thing. In America many White Hispanics deny their European heritage. In Latin America, heck you see Black and Indian looking people proud of having an ancestors from Spain.


  75. RIX
    75 | March 19, 2011 1:00 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    French Jet jas fired on a truck? on the ground. OOh that’l show em

    Did the French pack a lot of combat styling mousse?


  76. 76 | March 19, 2011 1:00 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    :lol:

    The mighty French!!!!!!!!!11

    This is such a comedy if it didn’t have some nasty consequences!


  77. vagabond trader
    77 | March 19, 2011 1:02 pm

    @ RIX:

    Did the French pack a lot of combat styling mousse?

    Not sure about that but I heard they’re testing out their new technology of flying a jet backwards. :-)


  78. coldwarrior
    78 | March 19, 2011 1:02 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    French Jet jas fired on a truck? on the ground. OOh that’l show em

    :lol:

    that’ll show him!

    NO TURN ON RED!


  79. Nevergiveup
    79 | March 19, 2011 1:03 pm

    Member of Original 29 Code Talkers Dies in U.S.
    Published March 19, 2011
    | Associated Press
    Print Email Share Comments (87)
    CAMP VERDE, Arizona — Lloyd Oliver wasn’t much of a talker, but it was clear that he was proud to have his native language serve as a key weapon during World War II. As part of an elite group of Marines, he helped develop and implement a code based on the Navajo language that helped win the war.
    Years later, his hearing remained impaired because of gun blasts and other explosives during the war. He rarely brought up his time as a Code Talker, but his eyes gleamed when holding a picture of himself in his uniform. He kept a Marine cap and a U.S. flag displayed on his bedroom walls in the home he shared with his wife on the Yavapai Apache Reservation.
    Oliver’s death Wednesday means that only one of the original 29 Navajo Code Talkers survives — Chester Nez of Albuquerque, New Mexico. Oliver died at a hospice center in a Phoenix suburb where he had been staying for about three weeks, his nephew, Lawrence, said Friday.
    Military records put his age as 87 although Oliver’s wife said he was 88 when he died.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/19/member-original-2-code-talkers-
    dies/#ixzz1H49BTAOG

    Farewell


  80. eaglesoars
    80 | March 19, 2011 1:03 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I’m glad you’re here because I’ve wanted to tell you – I’m beginning to believe you’re right about Trump. I’m just not sure he can go the distance. I’ve been watchin Barbour for awhile and for now, I’m backing him. I think he’s terrific.

    But things change real quick in politics………….


  81. chickadee
    81 | March 19, 2011 1:05 pm

    Islam is the scourge of the earth for humans and animals.
    Dogs can not be tolerated because they bring so much comfort and joy to people. There is no happiness in islam. Just slavery to the thugs running the scam. I pray for the innocent creatures unfortunate enough to fall under the evil rule of islam.
    Someone here posted a story abt. soldiers rescuing kittens from a bunch of kids that were kicking them around like soccer balls. Only a few survived. What kind of culture instills such depravity in their children but islam. Can’t have those kids feeling happy, learning to love and be loved.
    islam kills the soul, the mind and the body. It is a true death cult.


  82. Nevergiveup
    82 | March 19, 2011 1:05 pm

    Clinton: Fears of Libyan ‘unspeakable atrocities’

    ????
    What atrocities?


  83. wolfie
    83 | March 19, 2011 1:06 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    In our culture your color or race is irrelevant. It’s more of a class and family thing. In America many White Hispanics deny their European heritage. In Latin America, heck you see Black and Indian looking people proud of having an ancestors from Spain.

    Exactly. Too many “Hispanics” in the US are actually ANTI-Hispanic.
    And of course the lefties want it that way.
    Crazy.


  84. chickadee
    84 | March 19, 2011 1:08 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Clinton: Fears of Libyan ‘unspeakable atrocities’

    ????
    What atrocities?

    I thought the muzz liked atrocities.


  85. wolfie
    85 | March 19, 2011 1:08 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Clinton: Fears of Libyan ‘unspeakable atrocities’

    ????
    What atrocities?

    Maybe that’s what she means by “unspeakable,” as in “I can’t name any offhand.” Clintonese is a very subtle lingo.


  86. RIX
    86 | March 19, 2011 1:08 pm

    @ Guggi:

    What is happening now in Libya is a new kind of colonialism. Till today there is no proof that G.’s troops have committed any kind of “massacre”.

    Let me see if I’ve got this, nobody questioned that Sadam
    slaughtered his own people & most international
    intelligence thought that he had WMD.
    Obama pilloried Bush for intervening in Iraq, but on
    less reason involves us in Libya.
    I didn’t like our intervention in Iraq, I thought that
    we should go all out in Afghanistan.
    But Obama & his fellow libs are sure situational.


  87. vagabond trader
    87 | March 19, 2011 1:10 pm

    Genocide victims in Darfur and 600 plus being held by Somali pirates unavailable for comment.


  88. Guggi
    88 | March 19, 2011 1:11 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    What atrocities?

    I went through about 3,000 pictures at AFP about Libya and the civil war. Not a single one about “atrocities”, not a single one about a “massacre”.


  89. RIX
    89 | March 19, 2011 1:11 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Did the French pack a lot of combat styling mousse?
    Not sure about that but I heard they’re testing out their new technology of flying a jet backwards.

    Yeah, & they will be wearing wrinkle proof combat fatiques.
    “Look great while surrendering, mon amie.”


  90. chickadee
    90 | March 19, 2011 1:12 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Genocide victims in Darfur and 600 plus being held by Somali pirates unavailable for comment.

    Exactly. Are you reading my mind again?
    :)


  91. vagabond trader
    91 | March 19, 2011 1:13 pm

    @ chickadee:

    Beware of the Joooo Rays. ;-)


  92. RIX
    92 | March 19, 2011 1:14 pm

    @ wolfie:

    Maybe that’s what she means by “unspeakable,” as in “I can’t name any offhand.” Clintonese is a very subtle lingo

    Field Marshall Bill & Air Marshall Hillary ginned up
    all kinds of reasons to kill Christian Serbs.


  93. eaglesoars
    93 | March 19, 2011 1:15 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Genocide victims in Darfur and 600 plus being held by Somali pirates unavailable for comment.

    You left out Rwanda. How many dead?

    The only correct answer: Nobody cared.


  94. vagabond trader
    94 | March 19, 2011 1:17 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’m convinced this is a warning to Israel.


  95. Nevergiveup
    95 | March 19, 2011 1:17 pm

    French Plane opens fire on Libyan Tank. I wonder if it was a rebel tank?


  96. Bob in Breckenridge
    96 | March 19, 2011 1:17 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I’m glad you’re here because I’ve wanted to tell you – I’m beginning to believe you’re right about Trump. I’m just not sure he can go the distance. I’ve been watchin Barbour for awhile and for now, I’m backing him. I think he’s terrific.
    But things change real quick in politics………….

    I like most of what Trump has been saying, but I’m just not convinced that he’s serious about this, or if he’s just doing it for publicity.


  97. Nevergiveup
    97 | March 19, 2011 1:17 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’m convinced this is a warning to Israel.

    No doubt.


  98. RIX
    98 | March 19, 2011 1:19 pm

    We will win such favor with the Muzz over this./
    During the first Gulf War The Saudis referred to
    US troops as “Our White Slaves.”


  99. Bob in Breckenridge
    99 | March 19, 2011 1:20 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    French Plane opens fire on Libyan Tank. I wonder if it was a rebel tank?

    Libya has flying tanks? I mean, isn’t it a no fly zone they’re there to enforce?


  100. vagabond trader
    100 | March 19, 2011 1:20 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Esp with hezzie and hamass cranking up their attacks,the EU UN and Hussein know they are rearming big time.The coming weeks will tell, looking for trouble around Pesach.


  101. yenta-fada
    101 | March 19, 2011 1:21 pm

    I don’t know what the old logo of the Department of Justice looked like, perhaps some red, white, and blue. Look at this tripe:

    http://www.justice.gov/


  102. refugee000
    102 | March 19, 2011 1:21 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    DEMOCRACY,POPULAR UPRISING™ IN ACTION!

    I had to stifle a laugh when I read that el barradei was hit with a stone and drenched with water.


  103. chickadee
    103 | March 19, 2011 1:23 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Genocide victims in Darfur and 600 plus being held by Somali pirates unavailable for comment.

    You left out Rwanda. How many dead?

    The only correct answer: Nobody cared.

    clinton apologized for that!
    So everything is just fine./////////////////


  104. Bob in Breckenridge
    104 | March 19, 2011 1:24 pm

    pat wrote:

    “When told that
    there were Brazillions protesting him Barry asked,
    ‘how many is a Brazillion?’”
    LOL. Everyone knows in reality Obama is a dolt.
    That was from Lucianne.
    http://www.lucianne.com/

    Which article at lucianne.com are you referring to?


  105. 105 | March 19, 2011 1:24 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I’m glad you’re here because I’ve wanted to tell you – I’m beginning to believe you’re right about Trump. I’m just not sure he can go the distance. I’ve been watchin Barbour for awhile and for now, I’m backing him. I think he’s terrific.
    But things change real quick in politics………….

    I like Haley Barbour. If Trump don’t run, he’s my guy. I want a Republican to have a national based foreign policy, not Tranzi/Globalist/Internationalist.


  106. vagabond trader
    106 | March 19, 2011 1:24 pm

    @ refugee000:

    lol,they love him,they really really love him!


  107. Nevergiveup
    107 | March 19, 2011 1:25 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Esp with hezzie and hamass cranking up their attacks,the EU UN and Hussein know they are rearming big time.The coming weeks will tell, looking for trouble around Pesach.

    Israel is pretty safe to do as they will till after the 2012 elections. After that, if G-D forbid he gets re-elected, then Israel has watch out


  108. Guggi
    108 | March 19, 2011 1:25 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Let me see if I’ve got this, nobody questioned that Sadam
    slaughtered his own people & most international
    intelligence thought that he had WMD.
    Obama pilloried Bush for intervening in Iraq, but on
    less reason involves us in Libya.

    Correct. When Bush said that what was happening at that time in Darfur was a genocide they all went crazy about it and denied it instantly. No European country wanted to go to help people in Darfur.

    Btw.: Syria is on the move but as daddy Assad the junior is merciless.

    In Dara’a demonstrators have been shot and about 20,000 Syrians attend the burials. As a result 10,000 security man have surrounded the city. Looks like Hama 1980 back then it started similar.


  109. vagabond trader
    109 | March 19, 2011 1:26 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    The thought makes me ill. We must not allow this anti American Jew hating regime another term.


  110. Nevergiveup
    110 | March 19, 2011 1:26 pm

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    Libya has flying tanks?

    They have that “Flubber” stuff from that Disney Movie


  111. yenta-fada
    111 | March 19, 2011 1:27 pm

    refugee000 wrote:

    vagabond trader wrote:
    DEMOCRACY,POPULAR UPRISING™ IN ACTION!
    I had to stifle a laugh when I read that el barradei was hit with a stone and drenched with water.

    Does this mean that they are stoning him back to the bomb age?/


  112. Guggi
    112 | March 19, 2011 1:29 pm

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    I mean, isn’t it a no fly zone they’re there to enforce?

    No, it is more than a ‘no-fly-zone’. With resolution 1973 UN-forces are allowed to fire on tanks also.


  113. eaglesoars
    113 | March 19, 2011 1:30 pm

    gotta go, thanks for the company everyone………….


  114. RIX
    114 | March 19, 2011 1:30 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Yet, we fixate on Libya. If Obama was a serious man
    of his own convictions he, he would have intervened
    to save the Christians & non Arab Muslims of Sudan.


  115. vagabond trader
    115 | March 19, 2011 1:32 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    :lol:


  116. chickadee
    116 | March 19, 2011 1:32 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Esp with hezzie and hamass cranking up their attacks,the EU UN and Hussein know they are rearming big time.The coming weeks will tell, looking for trouble around Pesach.

    Israel is pretty safe to do as they will till after the 2012 elections. After that, if G-D forbid he gets re-elected, then Israel has watch out

    That’s another major reason the pos has to go. I don’t even want to think abt. what he would do if he has no restraints on him. What he has done so far is shocking enough. He spells danger for the whole world.


  117. 117 | March 19, 2011 1:33 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Yet, we fixate on Libya. If Obama was a serious man
    of his own convictions he, he would have intervened
    to save the Christians & non Arab Muslims of Sudan.

    30-40,000 Mexicans have been killed and no talk of intervening there. Why are Arabs so special?


  118. vagabond trader
    118 | March 19, 2011 1:33 pm

    Oh my zer0 warning Ghadaffi,all the way from Brazil,he’ll sic the international community on him if he doesn’t behave. What a travesty.


  119. Bob in Breckenridge
    119 | March 19, 2011 1:36 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Hi everybody!

    As for Obama check out the NYT laughing at him.

    And even some in the British press have started to realize what all of us have known about the MF’er in the White House for years. I’m waiting for the pony tailed fat ass irrelevant blogger to call the newspaper racist in 5…4…3…2…1…

    BARACK OBAMA: THE WEAKEST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY?

    INEFFECTUAL, invisible, unable to honour pledges and now blamed for letting Gaddafi off the hook. Why Obama’s gone from ‘Yes we can’ to ‘Er, maybe we shouldn’t’…

    Let us cast our minds back to those remarkable days in November 2008 when the son of a Kenyan goatherd was elected to the White House. It was a bright new dawn – even brighter than the coming of the Kennedys and their new Camelot. JFK may be considered as being from an ethnic and religious minority – Irish and Catholic – but he was still very rich and very white. Barack Obama, by contrast, was a true breakthrough president. The world would change because obviously America had changed.

    Obama’s campaign slogan was mesmerisingly simple and brimming with self-belief: “Yes we can.” His presidency, however, is turning out to be more about “no we won’t.” Even more worryingly, it seems to be very much about: “Maybe we can… do what, exactly?“ The world feels like a dangerous place when leaders are seen to lack certitude but the only thing President Obama seems decisive about is his indecision. What should the US do about Libya? What should the US do about the Middle East in general? What about the country’s crippling debts? What is the US going to do about Afghanistan, about Iran?

    What is President Obama doing about anything? The most alarming answer – your guess is as good as mine – is also, frankly, the most accurate one. What the President is not doing is being clear, resolute and pro-active, which is surely a big part of his job description. This is what he has to say about the popular uprising in Libya: “Gaddafi must go.” At least, that was his position on March 3.

    Since then, other countries – most notably Britain and France – have been calling for some kind of intervention. Even the Arab League, a notoriously conservative organisation, has declared support for sanctions. But from the White House has come only the blah-blah of bland statements filled with meaningless expressions.


  120. RIX
    120 | March 19, 2011 1:38 pm

    @ Rodan:

    30-40,000 Mexicans have been killed and no talk of intervening there. Why are Arabs so special?

    The question arises, why is Obama so symaptico to
    the Muzz?
    I don’t think that he goes ass up five times a day
    in prayer, or his a hidden prayer room in the White
    House.
    But I don’t think that he is a Christian & I do
    think that he is a cultural Muslim, not an actual
    one.


  121. chickadee
    121 | March 19, 2011 1:43 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Guggi:

    Yet, we fixate on Libya. If Obama was a serious man
    of his own convictions he, he would have intervened
    to save the Christians & non Arab Muslims of Sudan.

    We have a sociopath in the WH.


  122. RIX
    122 | March 19, 2011 1:47 pm

    @ chickadee:

    We have a sociopath in the WH.

    I thought that even during the campaign. He shows real
    empathy only for himself.
    He imo also has messianic delusions,”We are the ones
    we have waited for.” Sounds like ‘I am who am”
    And of course , lowering sea levels & healing the
    Earth.
    Tis is one twisted puppy.


  123. coldwarrior
    123 | March 19, 2011 1:49 pm

    well,

    ireland is up 17-3 at the half over the vaunted english rugby team!


  124. chickadee
    124 | March 19, 2011 1:49 pm

    @ RIX:
    His muzz fixation is tied up with his father and the NOI rev wrong cult.


  125. pat
    125 | March 19, 2011 1:53 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    #2


  126. RIX
    126 | March 19, 2011 1:55 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    @ RIX:
    His muzz fixation is tied up with his father and the NOI rev wrong cult.

    Obama is obsessed with his father(Dinesh D’sousa documents
    it in his book, The roots of Obamas Rage.)
    He saw the man only for a very short period in Hawaii,
    but his mother lionized him.
    He takes in the Muzz & anti American sentiment from
    his useless father.


  127. RIX
    127 | March 19, 2011 1:57 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    well,
    ireland is up 17-3 at the half over the vaunted english rugby team!

    Guiness for everyone!
    How are your brackets? I’m 26 & 6 after yesterday.


  128. vagabond trader
    128 | March 19, 2011 1:57 pm

    @ RIX:

    His old man also believed it was no big deal for ALL, as in 100%, of ones income to be confiscated by the grabberment.


  129. vagabond trader
    129 | March 19, 2011 2:01 pm

    From the Huff-Po no less.


  130. RIX
    130 | March 19, 2011 2:01 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ RIX:
    His old man also believed it was no big deal for ALL, as in 100%, of ones income to be confiscated by the grabberment.

    Yup, he said it. Barack Sr was a Marxist economist
    who was shunned by the pro Western Kenyan Government.
    That’s why he became alcholic & eventually killed
    himslf in a car accisdent.
    See ya.


  131. coldwarrior
    131 | March 19, 2011 2:03 pm

    @ RIX:

    have to check…


  132. 132 | March 19, 2011 2:03 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    From the Huff-Po no less.

    I updated Iron Fist’s new thread with it.


  133. Bob in Breckenridge
    133 | March 19, 2011 2:06 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    From the Huff-Po no less.

    IMO, most of the morons that read huffpo are also anti-American.


  134. Macker
    134 | March 19, 2011 2:07 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:

    Like, for example, selrahC!


  135. coldwarrior
    135 | March 19, 2011 2:10 pm

    @ RIX:

    25-7


  136. vagabond trader
    136 | March 19, 2011 2:11 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:

    Now just a minute there! ;-)


  137. 137 | March 19, 2011 5:03 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    would you like to explain how the teamsters are good for ups?
    i can go on all day about that
    or about how the IBEW showed first energy how to train employees in multiple jobs so that the peeps would be working the whole shift and that the company wouldn’t have to hire extra people? union idea there, saved the company millions

    I’m anti-union, as a professional musician I have seen first hand how fucked the Teamsters are. And as a former member of the IBEW, I have nothing nice or kind to say about them either. Yes, that’s right, I was a union electrician from 1983 until 1994. I got my union card as a Master electrician doing theatrical productions in college.

    As a professional musician during the mid 80′s and then as a small business owner during the 90′s I got plenty of first hand experience with the Teamsters, the Teamsters totally suck donkey balls, and that’s all I have to say about the Teamsters.


  138. coldwarrior
    138 | March 19, 2011 5:14 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    and i have seen the teamsters do good things with ups and the ibew do good things in the nuke industry here.

    such is life


  139. 139 | March 19, 2011 5:27 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    and i have seen the teamsters do good things with ups and the ibew do good things in the nuke industry here.
    such is life

    And I actually watched Teamsters set our vehicles on fire because our roadies tried to unload our trucks and they weren’t Teamsters. I watched as my “brothers” in the IBEW put non-union construction workers lives in danger because the job site wasn’t a Union job site.

    I watched as the IBEW ignored the majority of members here in San Diego request that our union dues go to support Republican political candidates in local races and they told us we didn’t have any damned say in who they funded.

    I don’t want to make this ugly or a fight, but my personal experience with unions has not been good. As you say, such is life. We can agree to disagree, if you have had good experiences, than god bless you, I haven’t. I have no use for any Union.


  140. Aussie Infidel
    140 | March 20, 2011 12:59 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    There are no longer any realistic justifications for any unions. Ever heard of OSHA? Go ahead and explain how the unions help the auto industry, or the Airline industry, the Education industry, how about construction or Services? Or any other industry? No, at the top, where the decision are made, all unions are socialist/Marxist organization which do nothing but collect money to promote Marxist influences in politics.

    Sorry Doriangrey but i can’t let you get away with that without some come back.

    I was for 20 years a member of the New Zealand Airline Pilots Association. NZALPA who were affiliated to International ALPA. The NZALPA were not and never were Marxist in any way shape or form. I know as I was on the executive for a number of years. NZALPA looked after the working conditions of the aircrew and ensured that the passengers were not put at risk by company accountants trying to maximise company income by flying crews continuously up to the legal maximums. Over the years we also negotiated good working conditions that made family life possible when flying ultra-long haul routes. We were the canary in the mine as far as safety was concerned and we participated in a lot of human interface studies that improved the machine human interface and made operations safer. In 20 years we struck only once and yes i manned the picket line. It was over a stupid issue that was a safety reduction / income enhancing ‘try on’ by a new CEO. we won and the public rode on our coat tails to safer skies. Our international affiliation was because we flew internationally and IALPA was very prominent in NASA studies about radiation exposure levels when flying on extreme polar routes as well as other safety related issues.

    Please don’t even try to cast IFALPA or NZALPA as a bunch of wild eyed Marxists. That is patiently absurd if you knew just how conservative 95% of pilots were.


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