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Woman arrested in Kentucky for torture, murder of Bosnian Serbs

by 1389AD ( 124 Comments › )
Filed under Bosnia, Crime, Media, Serbia at March 20th, 2011 - 3:00 pm

Croatian arrested in Ky. on Bosnia torture charges

(h/t: mawskrat)

…U.S. Marshals arrested 52-year-old Azra Basic on Tuesday in Stanton, about 45 miles east of Lexington, where she lives and works at a nearby food processing plant. She has lived in Kentucky for several years, but it’s not clear how she wound up in the rural city best known for its annual corn festival.

The Croatian-born Basic is wanted in Bosnia on charges of committing war crimes against ethnic Serb civilians in 1992, including acts of murder and torture, Assistant U.S. Attorney James Arehart wrote in a complaint requesting extradition.

Arehart says Bosnian authorities accuse Basic, a one-time member of the Croatian Army, of killing at least one person and torturing others at three camps from April to June 1992, during Europe’s bloodiest conflict since World War II.
[...]
Basic said at the court hearing that she had been working at the Nestle Prepared Foods plant in Mount Sterling, where frozen foods are processed. Nash declined to comment on whether Basic has any family in the state and why she was in Kentucky. A message left for the media relations office at Nestle was not immediately returned Thursday.

Just as an aside, the thought of a torture-murderer working in any food processing plant is stomach-turning. According to the Washington Post, “Basic was an employee at the Mount Sterling, Ky., Nestle Prepared Foods plant that makes Hot Pockets-brand sandwiches, the company said, declining to provide additional details.”

Court records list her as having lived at two addresses in Stanton.

Basic also worked at the Stanton Nursing Home, said neighbor Eli Vires, whose mother-in-law stayed there. Basic displayed compassion toward her patients, Vires said, quoting her as saying: “The only thing that can’t be replaced was human life.”
[...]
Bosnian authorities in Doboj charged Basic in January 1993 as an unknown defendant, using witness statements, medical examinations and forensic experts between 1992 and 2001 to identify her. Interpol traced Basic to Kentucky in 2004 and an international arrest warrant went out in 2006.

Arehart’s complaint accuses Basic of committing crimes at three camps near the majority-Serbian settlement of Cardak in Derventa. Witness said the Croatian military took ethnic Serbs from the Cardak settlement in late April of 1992 and tortured them.

Radojic Garic, listed in the complaint as a witness, said Blagoje Djuras was beaten unconscious. Garic said Basic then stabbed him in the neck, killing him, and dragged other Serbs to the body “and made us drink that blood.”

A second witness, Dragan Kovacevic, told investigators in October 1994 that Basic slit the throat of Djuras. Arehart said Kovacevic identified a picture of Basic in December 2009.

Another man, Sreten Jovanovic, told investigators in September 1992 that he was forced to drink gasoline, beaten unconscious and his hands and face were set on fire by Basic, who was wearing a military police uniform from a brigade in Rijeka, a port city in Croatia.

Arehart wrote that a subsequent medical examination concluded that Jovanovic suffered “torture in captivity.”

Other witnesses listed in the complaint said Basic and other soldiers beat and burned them and pulled their nails out with pliers.

In August 1992, witness Cedo Maric told Bosnian investigators that Basic cut a cross and four “S” letters into his forehead before hacking his neck below the Adam’s apple.

In November 1994 testimony, Mile Kuzmanovic told investigators Basic forced him to “swallow a handful of salt and eat Yugoslav money” before beating him with boots, weapon butts, metal bars and batons. Kuzmanovic said Basic and others forced him to “lick blood off floors covered in broken glass and crawl on the glass with a knotted rope in his mouth with which soldiers used to pull out the teeth of prisoners.”

Read the rest here, if you want.

I will spare you the obligatory Serb-bash that appeared at the end of this article. Two decades on, it is still impossible for any mainstream media outlet or wire service to report a story about Serbs, without poisoning the well by repeating baseless, and often provably false, allegations against other prominent Serbs, or against the Serbian people as a whole. After all, it would never do for the audience to start feeling sympathetic toward Serbs.

The mainstream media still insists that if the UN, or any kangaroo court associated with it, claims that a Serb is guilty, then it is so, despite the utter absence of due process of law in such venues. But then, during the Clinton Administration, these same media outlets and their operatives played a vital part in starting and continuing the war against the Serbian people. All I can say is that what goes around, comes around. Some day these media minions may themselves be facing a kangaroo court in some unknown part of the world. Do not expect me to speak up in their behalf.


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124 Responses to “Woman arrested in Kentucky for torture, murder of Bosnian Serbs”
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  1. Guggi
    1 | March 20, 2011 3:04 pm

    Hey, we have two new threads at the same time ? This one and “Commemorate the Greek, Armenian, and Assyrian Genocides in NYC”.


  2. lobo91
    2 | March 20, 2011 3:22 pm

    @ Guggi:

    I put the second one back in the box.


  3. Macker
    3 | March 20, 2011 3:44 pm

    How much do you wanna bet she cheats the ICJ like Slobodan Milosevic Misonofabitch?


  4. 4 | March 20, 2011 3:47 pm

    Azra Basic. Does this mean there is an Azra Advanced out there somewhere? 8O


  5. 5 | March 20, 2011 3:47 pm

    Macker wrote:

    How much do you wanna bet she cheats the ICJ like Slobodan Milosevic Misonofabitch?

    Milosevic was killed in prison by being deliberately denied medical treatment. He was incarcerated by ICTY, which is a kangaroo court entirely separate from the ICJ. The ICTY couldn’t come up with an convincing case to convict him, even in their biased venue, so they just dragged it out until he became severely ill, then denied him treatment.


  6. 6 | March 20, 2011 3:48 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Azra Basic. Does this mean there is an Azra Advanced out there somewhere?

    Probably. :(


  7. lobo91
    7 | March 20, 2011 3:49 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Macker wrote:
    How much do you wanna bet she cheats the ICJ like Slobodan Milosevic Misonofabitch?
    Milosevic was killed in prison by being deliberately denied medical treatment. He was incarcerated by ICTY, which is a kangaroo court entirely separate from the ICJ. The ICTY couldn’t come up with an convincing case to convict him, even in their biased venue, so they just dragged it out until he became severely ill, then denied him treatment.

    And thus, Obamacare was born…
    //


  8. 8 | March 20, 2011 3:49 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    I put the second one back in the box.

    Thanks!


  9. 9 | March 20, 2011 3:51 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    Macker wrote:
    How much do you wanna bet she cheats the ICJ like Slobodan Milosevic Misonofabitch?
    Milosevic was killed in prison by being deliberately denied medical treatment. He was incarcerated by ICTY, which is a kangaroo court entirely separate from the ICJ. The ICTY couldn’t come up with an convincing case to convict him, even in their biased venue, so they just dragged it out until he became severely ill, then denied him treatment.
    And thus, Obamacare was born…
    //

    Yup.

    It’s to their advantage to keep unemployment and severe underemployment high, especially among older workers. Impoverished people die a lot sooner, and won’t cost the Obamacare or the Social Security system anything. See “Boxer” in Animal Farm. That would be me.


  10. lobo91
    10 | March 20, 2011 3:54 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    It’s to their advantage to keep unemployment and severe underemployment high, especially among older workers. Impoverished people die a lot sooner, and won’t cost the Obamacare or the Social Security system anything. See “Boxer” in Animal Farm. That would be me.

    Right there with you…


  11. lobo91
    11 | March 20, 2011 4:07 pm

    I don’t want to get my hopes up, but the interview I went to on Friday seemed like it went pretty well.

    Considering that I now have 1 week of benefits left on what appears to be the final extension they’re going to do, it would be nice if I got the job…


  12. Guggi
    12 | March 20, 2011 4:11 pm

    @ lobo91:

    {{{lobo91}}}


  13. Macker
    13 | March 20, 2011 4:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I don’t want to get my hopes up, but the interview I went to on Friday seemed like it went pretty well.

    Considering that I now have 1 week of benefits left on what appears to be the final extension they’re going to do, it would be nice if I got the job…

    I hope you do too. I had to appeal my initial denial, waiting for date to call in to judge and explain my case.


  14. Guggi
    14 | March 20, 2011 4:12 pm

    @ Guggi:

    What kind of job is it ?


  15. lobo91
    15 | March 20, 2011 4:13 pm

    Someone let CJ know that we’ve found some cockpit video of operations over Libya:


  16. lobo91
    16 | March 20, 2011 4:15 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    What kind of job is it ?

    It’s in the financial aid department of a large community college. Specifically, it has to do with dealing with potential loan defaults.


  17. 17 | March 20, 2011 4:16 pm

    Oh, Joy:

    The U.S. and it allies continued to fight against targets of Libyan leader Muammar al-Qaddafi, who on Libyan state radio said the raids were “acts of terrorism”.

    Qaddafi added that all of the country’s people were now carrying weapons to defend the nation.

    “We will not leave our land and we will liberate it,” he said.

    He said he has opened up the weapons depots to Libyans, and said everyone is armed with “automatic weapons, mortars, bombs.”

    “We promise you a long war,” he said in the address.

    Yet another long war in a Muslim country, and this time without any discernable US interest whatsoever. Obama needed to look like he wasn’t a wimp, so here we go. Please note that I would have supported Obama if instead of Libya we were attacking Iran. There you have a pressing US interest. Here you don’t.


  18. Guggi
    18 | March 20, 2011 4:17 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    It’s in the financial aid department of a large community college. Specifically, it has to do with dealing with potential loan defaults.

    Good luck, lobo !!!


  19. lobo91
    19 | March 20, 2011 4:19 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Thanks.


  20. Guggi
    20 | March 20, 2011 4:20 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Libyan War of 2011

    Snip

    Therefore the successes of the coming day will tell us nothing. Even if Gadhafi surrenders or is killed, even if no invasion is necessary save a small occupation force to aid the insurgents, the possibility of an insurgency is there. We will not know if there will be an insurgency until after it begins. Therefore, the only thing that would be surprising about this phase of the operation is if it failed.

    The decision has been made that the mission is regime change in Libya. The strategic sequence is the routine buildup to war since 1991, this time with a heavier European component. The early days will go extremely well but will not define whether or not the war is successful. The test will come if a war designed to stop human suffering begins to inflict human suffering. That is when the difficult political decisions have to be made and when we will find out whether the strategy, the mission and the political will fully match up.


  21. NoThreat2U
    21 | March 20, 2011 4:22 pm

    This might cheer some of yinz up….

    SEIU Hit With RICO Lawsuit…

    •throwing plastic roaches onto food being served by Sodexo USA at a high profile event;
    •scaring hospital patients by insinuating that Sodexo USA food contained bugs, rat droppings, mold and flies;
    •lying to interfere with Sodexo USA business and sneaking into elementary schools to avoid security;
    •violating lobbying laws to steer business away from Sodexo USA, even at the risk of costing Sodexo USA employees their jobs; and
    •harassing Sodexo USA employees by threatening to accuse them of wrongdoing
    http://weaselzippers.us/2011/03/20/seiu-hit-with-rico-lawsuit/
    Plenty more here….


  22. lobo91
    22 | March 20, 2011 4:24 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Good to see…


  23. snowcrash
    23 | March 20, 2011 4:25 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Good luck lobo. If it doesn’t work out, re check with their HR dept for other openings in admin. Never know what you might find.


  24. Macker
    24 | March 20, 2011 4:27 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    ABOUT FRAKKIN’ TIME!


  25. lobo91
    25 | March 20, 2011 4:27 pm

    It’s interesting to see that they’ve got EA-18G Growlers operating in support of the operation in Libya.

    The first Growler squadron just started its initial deployment last month.


  26. NoThreat2U
    26 | March 20, 2011 4:28 pm

    @ Macker:
    It could set a precedent. Take the wind out of their damn sails.


  27. lobo91
    27 | March 20, 2011 4:29 pm

    snowcrash wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Good luck lobo. If it doesn’t work out, re check with their HR dept for other openings in admin. Never know what you might find.

    Their openings aren’t filled that way. It’s a state job. The applications all have to go through the state personnel department in Denver, then they’re sent to someone at the actual agency where the job is located.


  28. NoThreat2U
    28 | March 20, 2011 4:31 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Good luck with the job. Know that everyone here is rooting for ya :)


  29. lobo91
    29 | March 20, 2011 4:32 pm

    @ snowcrash:

    I don’t think they’re really doing much hiring, anyway. There’s still basically a hiring freeze on. They got special permission to hire someone for this job because it’s for a sort of task force to deal with loan defaults.


  30. lobo91
    30 | March 20, 2011 4:32 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Thanks.


  31. Macker
    31 | March 20, 2011 4:32 pm

    OFF-TOPIC: Attention T-Mobile Customers…Say Hello to T&AT!


  32. Prebanned
    32 | March 20, 2011 4:36 pm

    @ lobo91:
    good luck!


  33. lobo91
    33 | March 20, 2011 4:37 pm

    @ Prebanned:

    Thanks


  34. NoThreat2U
    34 | March 20, 2011 4:38 pm

    @ Prebanned:
    I like your other avatar better. Just my opinion….


  35. lobo91
    35 | March 20, 2011 4:39 pm

    Macker wrote:

    OFF-TOPIC: Attention T-Mobile Customers…Say Hello to T&AT!

    Of course, the most important question about that is, do they get to keep Carly, the T-Mobile girl?

    //


  36. Alberta Oil Peon
    36 | March 20, 2011 4:39 pm

    @ lobo91:
    “Nice degree you got there, kid. You wouldn’t want anything to happen to it, would you?”

    Good luck, Lobo.


  37. lobo91
    37 | March 20, 2011 4:41 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    “Nice degree you got there, kid. You wouldn’t want anything to happen to it, would you?”
    Good luck, Lobo.

    LOL

    Thanks


  38. Prebanned
    38 | March 20, 2011 4:45 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    Oh Yeah?
    Well I like your current avatar.
    so there?
    Hope your stomace is feeling better.
    I gotta go work on a dog pen.
    @ lobo91:

    I hope You have to get up at 6 am every day and shave and hurry hurry to get to work.
    :-)


  39. Prebanned
    39 | March 20, 2011 4:46 pm

    @ Prebanned:
    stomach stomach


  40. lobo91
    40 | March 20, 2011 4:58 pm

    Yesterday’s class went pretty well, too.

    I signed up 2 new NRA members.


  41. 41 | March 20, 2011 5:01 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I don’t want to get my hopes up, but the interview I went to on Friday seemed like it went pretty well.
    Considering that I now have 1 week of benefits left on what appears to be the final extension they’re going to do, it would be nice if I got the job…

    Best of luck with that. Been there, done that, couldn’t afford the T-shirt.


  42. RIX
    42 | March 20, 2011 5:03 pm

    The Dookies just dodged a bullet, beating Michigan
    73 to 71 .
    Michigan missed a last second shot to send it to
    overtime.


  43. NoThreat2U
    43 | March 20, 2011 5:08 pm

    @ Prebanned:
    So there??? What are you….12??? lol lol lol Go to the doc this week to see what the dealio is. As long as I eat rice cakes and crackers I am fine. lol


  44. lobo91
    44 | March 20, 2011 5:10 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ Prebanned:
    So there??? What are you….12??? lol lol lol Go to the doc this week to see what the dealio is. As long as I eat rice cakes and crackers I am fine. lol

    I would last about a day on that…


  45. NoThreat2U
    45 | March 20, 2011 5:13 pm

    @ lobo91:
    No choice at the moment. You get used to it. Although I would kill for a steak every now and then.


  46. snowcrash
    46 | March 20, 2011 5:13 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    Rice cakes are what I imagine packing peanuts taste like. Lol


  47. NoThreat2U
    47 | March 20, 2011 5:17 pm

    @ snowcrash:
    Same texture but they hide it behind “apple * cinnamon flavor”. lol lol lol


  48. RIX
    48 | March 20, 2011 5:21 pm

    By RYAN LUCAS

    The Associated Press
    updated 2 hours 43 minutes ago 2011-03-20T20:30:23
    Share Print Font: + -- BENGHAZI, Libya — Residents of the rebel stronghold of Benghazi on Sunday fired AK-47s in jubilation and danced on burnt-out tanks that appeared to have been destroyed by allied airstrikes.

    I am sure that the consequences of our actions
    have been thoroughly analyzed by the president
    from the Beach at Rio.


  49. Bob in Breckenridge
    49 | March 20, 2011 5:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Someone let CJ know that we’ve found some cockpit video of operations over Libya:

    Boeing’s newest plane, the 747-800 Intercontinental is making its first flight right now. Watch it here-

    http://www.newairplane.com/747/incredible/


  50. snowcrash
    50 | March 20, 2011 5:23 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    Rice is gluten free. Never know what the triggers are until you eliminate certain known culprits from your diet.


  51. NoThreat2U
    51 | March 20, 2011 5:26 pm

    @ snowcrash:
    I think that may be part of my problem…gluten. Just like I was never lactose intolerant before but now, dairy practically kills me. And that is no exaggeration. Getting old I guess *sigh*.


  52. Philip_Daniel
    52 | March 20, 2011 5:28 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I am sure that the consequences of our actions
    have been thoroughly analyzed by the president
    from the Beach at Rio.

    We are assisting our greater enemy Abu Yahya Al-Liby against our lesser enemy Muammar Gaddafi.

    Woe be unto us.

    [I've been all over New England this past weekend (since Thursday), visiting some law schools -- just arrived home a few hours ago.]


  53. lobo91
    53 | March 20, 2011 5:29 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:

    467 passengers…


  54. RIX
    54 | March 20, 2011 5:34 pm

    @ Philip_Daniel:

    We are assisting our greater enemy Abu Yahya Al-Liby against our lesser enemy Muammar Gaddafi.

    Woe be unto us.

    [I've been all over New England this past weekend (since Thursday), visiting some law schools -- just arrived home a few hours ago.]

    Yes, supporing the Libyan rebels puts us on
    the same page wit AlQueda, not a good place
    to be.
    Why are you visiting law schools?


  55. Alberta Oil Peon
    55 | March 20, 2011 5:37 pm

    @ lobo91:
    You will spend more time lining up to board the dam’ thing than you will spend in the air.

    I like flying Westjet (based in Calgary). They use 737s exclusively.


  56. Guggi
    56 | March 20, 2011 5:37 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I am sure that the consequences of our actions
    have been thoroughly analyzed by the president
    from the Beach at Rio.

    How can you question this when Hillary, Susan and Samantha were the leading figures behind it ?


  57. 57 | March 20, 2011 5:38 pm

    @ Philip_Daniel:


  58. RIX
    58 | March 20, 2011 5:39 pm

    @ Guggi:

    How can you question this when Hillary, Susan and Samantha were the leading figures behind it

    True, I lost my head.


  59. lobo91
    59 | March 20, 2011 5:40 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    You will spend more time lining up to board the dam’ thing than you will spend in the air.
    I like flying Westjet (based in Calgary). They use 737s exclusively.

    I’m sure they’re set up the same way the 777 is for boarding through two doors simultaneously.

    Of course, that only works if the gate is built for it. Some of the gates in United’s section at Denver are set up that way.


  60. Philip_Daniel
    60 | March 20, 2011 5:46 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Give me a break. You know that’s not me. You know what I’m really after.


  61. lobo91
    61 | March 20, 2011 5:49 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    LOL!

    That was the funniest thing I’ve seen all week…


  62. lobo91
    62 | March 20, 2011 5:52 pm

    Journalism students are the same way.

    They all think they’re going to be the next Bob Woodward (although I really can’t understand why someone would aspire to that, personally).

    In reality, they’re going to be lucky if they get a job writing the police blotter report column in Minot, North Dakota for $19k a year…


  63. 63 | March 20, 2011 5:58 pm

    Philip_Daniel wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Give me a break. You know that’s not me. You know what I’m really after.

    Hot chicks ?

    Actually, no -- I haven’t a clue. Wish I’d gone to law school when the opportunity presented itself. I got accepted, and my employer would have paid for it, but there was no time to do it, even at night. Wellsite duties, you know.

    I had no intention of practicing law -- just wanted to learn it. My boss on this current contract did exactly that, and I envy him.


  64. The Osprey
    64 | March 20, 2011 6:04 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    It’s interesting to see that they’ve got EA-18G Growlers operating in support of the operation in Libya.
    The first Growler squadron just started its initial deployment last month.


    Growlers?
    Are they dropping half gallon bottles of microbrews on Q-Duck?


  65. The Osprey
    65 | March 20, 2011 6:07 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Macker wrote:
    OFF-TOPIC: Attention T-Mobile Customers…Say Hello to T&AT!
    Of course, the most important question about that is, do they get to keep Carly, the T-Mobile girl?
    //

    She’s not as “hawt” as their old spokesbabe, Catherine Zeta-Jones.


  66. orangecrush
    66 | March 20, 2011 6:09 pm

    @ 62 lobo91: or like all the young kids that think they need to change the world with a strong social statement that’s been done before to death. too many busy bodies.


  67. orangecrush
    67 | March 20, 2011 6:19 pm

    In Brazil Obama can be legally considered a white person.


  68. Philip_Daniel
    68 | March 20, 2011 6:25 pm

    Seditiouslam. Imperialislam.

    The Muslim Students Association’s “Pledge of Allegiance”


  69. 69 | March 20, 2011 6:26 pm

    Since this dickhead was a Croat, I assume he claimed to be Catholic. I can’t see Slavic secularists caring about a Catholic / Orthodox schism. (They might however care about Kosovo.)

    From what little I know of the Church, my understanding is that you’re supposed to repent if you’re to continue taking Communion. I’d think that true repentance wouldn’t involve fleeing to another country, and having to be dug out of there to face charges. Did anyone think to excommunicate him? or did he lie to his priest too?


  70. 70 | March 20, 2011 6:35 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    {{{lobo91}}}

    Hey what is European opinion on this Libya intervention? What are people in the streets saying?


  71. 71 | March 20, 2011 6:51 pm

    @ Zimriel:

    This guy was a fake and probably lied to his priest.


  72. lobo91
    72 | March 20, 2011 6:51 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    Growlers? Are they dropping half gallon bottles of microbrews on Q-Duck?

    The EA-18G Growler is the replacement for the EA-6B Prowler electronic warfare planes.

    It’s based on the F/A-18F airframe.


  73. RIX
    73 | March 20, 2011 6:51 pm

    “The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.”
    — Senator Barack Hussein Obama, December 20, 2007

    What changed?


  74. 74 | March 20, 2011 6:52 pm

    orangecrush wrote:

    In Brazil Obama can be legally considered a white person.

    Actually he would be mulatto, which is what he really is.


  75. 75 | March 20, 2011 6:52 pm

    @ RIX:

    He’s President, that’s what changed!


  76. lobo91
    76 | March 20, 2011 6:54 pm

    @ RIX:

    Since he became president, that Constitution thingie has become optional…


  77. RIX
    77 | March 20, 2011 6:57 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    He’s President, that’s what changed!

    Funny how that changed everything. Obama is doing
    now what they tried to criminalise Bush for.
    Barry is a lightworker & what he does is by
    definition good.


  78. 78 | March 20, 2011 7:03 pm

    RIX wrote:

    “The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.”
    — Senator Barack Hussein Obama, December 20, 2007
    What changed?

    Haven’t you heard? He Won… Apparently that give’s him the right to do any damned thing he wants to.


  79. RIX
    79 | March 20, 2011 7:07 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Haven’t you heard? He Won… Apparently that give’s him the right to do any damned thing he wants to.

    And he pretty much does. If it wasn’t for the
    Constitution written by those old dead honkys &
    that annoying Supreme Court he could be the
    Emperor.


  80. RIX
    80 | March 20, 2011 7:11 pm

    Everybody have a great evening.
    I have seious business tonight, Illinois
    plays Kansas & Notre Dame Plays Florida
    State in the NCAA.


  81. 81 | March 20, 2011 7:13 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Everybody have a great evening.
    I have seious business tonight, Illinois
    plays Kansas & Notre Dame Plays Florida
    State in the NCAA.

    College sports are for people constitutionally incapable of accepting that they are no long young or in college anymore.


  82. Bumr50
    82 | March 20, 2011 7:15 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    And gamblers:-)


  83. 83 | March 20, 2011 7:18 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    And gamblers:-)

    Yup…


  84. 84 | March 20, 2011 7:18 pm

    @ RIX:

    Obama lied and people dies!


  85. lobo91
    85 | March 20, 2011 7:19 pm

    The ATF is at it again, with its usual outstanding customer service.

    From the newsletter my club sends to its members:

    I had an interesting experience with the government. I pulled out the appropriate forms for the Class III license from the ATF website, filled out the paperwork, signed the check, and sent the package to the address in Philadelphia listed on the form. I did this all on the same day. Last month, I got a crumpled up envelope that had “Return to Sender” stamped all over it. The message was the PO Box was no longer active. I opened up the letter and there was my Class III package and check all crumpled up. I checked the address on the form and I had addressed it correctly. So, I went to the ATF web site again, pulled up the form, and lo and behold, the address is now a PO box in Atlanta. Due to the delay and the non-prorated annual cost of the license, I will resubmit the paperwork in late May / early June. They have promised me quick turnaround.


  86. Guggi
    86 | March 20, 2011 7:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Hey what is European opinion on this Libya intervention? What are people in the streets saying?

    Mixed. Some believe that Gaddafi’s soldiers have committed huge massacres because the rebels said so others say G. is not our business but fear that many refugees will come to Europe (I don’t think so, at least not yet).

    What only few know is that G. did a quite good job in developing poor countries in Africa. With the Libya Africa Investment Portfolio (LAP) he invested in the economy in poor countries and re-invested the benefits in other poor countries.

    As crazy and as criminal he is -- he isn’t stupid. The HDI (human development index) of Libya is higher than the one in Russia, Mexico or Brazil.


  87. Nevergiveup
    87 | March 20, 2011 7:27 pm

    The U.S. and allied forces claimed significant success in the early stages of enforcing a U.N.-sanctioned no-fly zone in Libya, said a military official at the Pentagon.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/20/significant-success-early-stages-enforcing-sanctioned-fly-zone/#ixzz1HBYBwFv5

    Someone should point out to the Obama Admin that Libya is basically a mickey mouse military. I wouldn’t go around doing to much bragging


  88. lobo91
    88 | March 20, 2011 7:30 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Someone should point out to the Obama Admin that Libya is basically a mickey mouse military. I wouldn’t go around doing to much bragging

    No kidding.

    I would hope that we got something for the $100 million or so worth of ordnance we expended yesterday…


  89. lobo91
    89 | March 20, 2011 7:33 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Reminds me of the runup to Desert Storm, when all the media types made sure to include a mention of Saddam’s army being the “fourth largest in the world” or whatever it was at the time.

    I guess they thought that we were going to fight them using Civil War tactics…


  90. Nevergiveup
    90 | March 20, 2011 7:35 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I would hope that we got something for the $100 million or so worth of ordnance we expended yesterday…

    Well since we have to replace that ordnance, I guess that’s good for the economy


  91. lobo91
    91 | March 20, 2011 7:37 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    I would hope that we got something for the $100 million or so worth of ordnance we expended yesterday…
    Well since we have to replace that ordnance, I guess that’s good for the economy

    Stimulus!

    The Obama boom continues…


  92. Nevergiveup
    92 | March 20, 2011 7:37 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I would hope that we got something for the $100 million or so worth of ordnance we expended yesterday…

    Actually i am sure alot more than that. Each cruise missile costs about $660,000 and we shot what 135 so far? And we flew 3 B-2s all the way from CONUS and back?


  93. lobo91
    93 | March 20, 2011 7:38 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Of course, if you’re planning to downsize the military, you don’t necessarily have to replace that stuff…


  94. lobo91
    94 | March 20, 2011 7:39 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    We fired 122 cruise missiles. The Brits fired 2.

    And the bombs those planes dropped are relatively cheap. Even with the guidance kit, they only cost about $25k apiece.


  95. Nevergiveup
    95 | March 20, 2011 7:42 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    We fired 122 cruise missiles. The Brits fired 2.

    And the bombs those planes dropped are relatively cheap. Even with the guidance kit, they only cost about $25k apiece.

    Actually they fired more Cruise Missiles today I think. Yeah the Bombs the B-2 drop are pretty cheap, but just flying the B-2s must cost alot, but I guess it’s a great training mission. Of course just one B-2 cost more than the whole country of Libya not counting the oil.


  96. 96 | March 20, 2011 7:46 pm

    the UAW must be defanged

    http://kirls.blogspot.com/2011/03/uaw-breaks-godwins-law.html


  97. lobo91
    97 | March 20, 2011 7:47 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    As long as they don’t crash, there’s not much danger there. The Libyan air defenses don’t have much hope of taking down a B-2, especially when there are Navy Growlers loitering in the area.

    As soon as they turn on their targeting radars, they’ll get to meet Allah, compliments of an AGM-88 HARM…


  98. Nevergiveup
    98 | March 20, 2011 7:49 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    As long as they don’t crash, there’s not much danger there. The Libyan air defenses don’t have much hope of taking down a B-2, especially when there are Navy Growlers loitering in the area.

    As soon as they turn on their targeting radars, they’ll get to meet Allah, compliments of an AGM-88 HARM…

    Hey But I thought this was suppose to be a EU/Arab lead campaign????


  99. lobo91
    99 | March 20, 2011 7:50 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Hey But I thought this was suppose to be a EU/Arab lead campaign????

    I think they wrote the text of the UN resolution.

    Does that count?


  100. lobo91
    100 | March 20, 2011 7:51 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    the UAW must be defanged
    http://kirls.blogspot.com/2011/03/uaw-breaks-godwins-law.html

    The unions in Wisconsin are blaming the governor for the death of some teacher with a history of depression who killed herself.

    Before they even passed the bill, of course.


  101. 101 | March 20, 2011 7:56 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    The unions in Wisconsin are blaming the governor for the death of some teacher with a history of depression who killed herself.
    Before they even passed the bill, of course.

    i know. they are evil.


  102. lobo91
    102 | March 20, 2011 7:58 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    The unions in Wisconsin are blaming the governor for the death of some teacher with a history of depression who killed herself.
    Before they even passed the bill, of course.
    i know. they are evil.

    They’re basically Communists.

    So it’s not really surprising…


  103. 103 | March 20, 2011 8:03 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    They’re basically Communists.
    So it’s not really surprising…

    exactly right. the link i posted to my blog, is to the UAW using Neimollers saying in a sick and twisted way to call all the normals nazis. check it out. http://kirls.blogspot.com/2011/03/uaw-breaks-godwins-law.html


  104. lobo91
    104 | March 20, 2011 8:03 pm

    At least one person has figured out why we’re bombing Libya:

    The one book that will explain why we’re in Libya

    As I’ve been jogging around the internet today reading other thoughts about our new conflict* in Libya, I just can’t help but coming back to a book I read about three years ago that I think explains exactly why we are now “in” Libya. And if you’ve been following along today, it will sound familiar — so too will its author, Samantha Power, and her husband, Cass Sunstein.

    As I mentioned earlier today, Power currently sits on the National Security Council, and she was counseling the president this week when he decided to take action in Libya. But nine years ago she wrote the Pulitzer Prize-winning book “A Problem From Hell: American and the Age of Genocide.” A quick refresher shows it to be a type of primer for our intervention in Libya.

    Having been a few years since I read the book, I picked it up this afternoon and paged through the introduction as well as some of the notes I had made in the margins. I was shocked. Here, it seems, I was looking at a form of the Obama doctrine we are seeing rapidly develop before our eyes.

    Take for example what Power says in the introduction regarding America’s (and then President Bill Clinton’s) early approach to the mid-90s conflict in Bosnia:

    But American resolve soon wilted. Saving Bosnian lives was not deemed worth risking U.S. soldiers or challenging America’s European allies who wanted to remain neutral. Clinton and his team shifted from the language of genocide to that of “tragedy” and “civil war,” downplaying public expectations that there was anything the United States could do. Secretary of State Warren Christopher had never been enthusiastic about U.S. involvement in the Balkans.

    As hinted in that passage, and as is made clear later in the book, Power scoffs at the idea that committing U.S. forces, and risking U.S. soldiers, may not be in the best interest of the United States.

    In her conclusion, she writes:

    The United States should stop genocide for two reasons. The first and most compelling reason is moral. When innocent life is being taken on such a scale and the United States has the power to stop the killing at reasonable risk, it has a duty to act. It is this belief that motivates most of those who seek intervention. But history has shown that the suffering of victims has rarely been sufficient to get the United States to intervene.

    The second reason, Power continues, is a round-about form of “self interest.” Channeling the advice of others before her she says, “They warned that allowing genocide undermined regional and international stability, created militarized refugees, and signaled dictators that hate and murder were permissible tools of statecraft.”

    From the sound of Obama’s speech on Friday, it is evident Power has his ear. His reasoning for Libyan intervention was a paraphrase of Power’s conclusion:

    Now, here’s why this matters to us. Left unchecked, we have every reason to believe that Qaddafi would commit atrocities against his people [Power's first point]. Many thousands could die. A humanitarian crisis would ensue. The entire region could be destabilized, endangering many of our allies and partners [Power's second point]. The calls of the Libyan people for help would go unanswered. The democratic values that we stand for would be overrun. Moreover, the words of the international community would be rendered hollow. [Emphasis added]

    Could it be that Power took a page out her husband’s book and gave Obama a “nudge?”


  105. lobo91
    105 | March 20, 2011 8:06 pm

    @ Kirly:

    I’m reading this at the moment. Currently, I’m on the part about the ’60s anti-war movement.

    They used the same tactic then. Anyone who didn’t support the Communist line was a “fascist.”


  106. Philip_Daniel
    106 | March 20, 2011 8:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    innocent life

    Takbir!


  107. 107 | March 20, 2011 8:13 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Kirly:
    I’m reading this at the moment. Currently, I’m on the part about the ’60s anti-war movement.
    They used the same tactic then. Anyone who didn’t support the Communist line was a “fascist.”

    i think the progs are willing at this point and not being manipulated.


  108. lobo91
    108 | March 20, 2011 8:14 pm

    @ Kirly:

    i think the progs are willing at this point and not being manipulated.

    The manipulated college students from the ’60s are today’s leaders of the left.


  109. lobo91
    109 | March 20, 2011 8:16 pm

    I love this picture:

    A U.S. Army soldier with the 10th Special Forces Group and his military working dog jump off the ramp of a CH-47 Chinook helicopter from the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment during water training over the Gulf of Mexico as part of exercise Emerald Warrior 2011 on March 1, 2011. Emerald Warrior is an annual two-week joint/combined tactical exercise sponsored by U.S. Special Operations Command designed to leverage lessons learned from operations Iraqi and Enduring Freedom to provide trained and ready forces to combatant commanders. DoD photo by Tech. Sgt. Manuel J. Martinez, U.S. Air Force. (Released)

    I wonder what dogs say when they jump? “Rin Tin Tin!” maybe?


  110. 110 | March 20, 2011 8:19 pm

    @ lobo91:
    that is a great picture!


  111. lobo91
    111 | March 20, 2011 8:22 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    that is a great picture!

    That shows why we have to win, ultimately.

    Even our dogs are braver than the jihadis…


  112. 112 | March 20, 2011 8:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Even our dogs are braver than the jihadis…

    that is because dogs are basically good unless some evil human makes them bad. well, that’s my opinion anyway.


  113. Prebanned
    113 | March 20, 2011 8:26 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Doggie say WhooooHoooo!
    What do Apache say when they jump, John Wayne?


  114. NoThreat2U
    114 | March 20, 2011 8:27 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Pardon my ignorance, but how far up were they? I can’t believe they train doggies to jump like that!


  115. lobo91
    115 | March 20, 2011 8:29 pm

    This dog has the same rank I do…

    U.S. Army 1st Sgt. Chris Lalonde, center, holds his military working dog, Sgt. Maj. Fosco, and jumpmaster Kirby Rodriguez behind them, as they free fall through the air making history with the military’s first tandem airborne jump from an altitude of 12,500 feet on Fort Leonard Wood, Mo. Sept. 18, 2009. U.S. Army photo by Sgt. Vince Vander Maarel


  116. Prebanned
    116 | March 20, 2011 8:30 pm

    Looks like he is wearing a life jacket from Bass Pro Shops.
    I can tell he really is a brave dog because his tail is tucked between his legs but he jumped anyway.


  117. NoThreat2U
    117 | March 20, 2011 8:31 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Those are the most awesomest pix ever! WOOF!


  118. lobo91
    118 | March 20, 2011 8:31 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Pardon my ignorance, but how far up were they? I can’t believe they train doggies to jump like that!

    Probably 40-50 feet.

    It’s called helocasting. They push an inflatable boat out of the helicopter first, and then the troops jump into the water near it and swim over to it.


  119. NoThreat2U
    119 | March 20, 2011 8:34 pm

    @ lobo91:
    That is just too cool. I stole those pix and posted them on my facebook. Brave men and brave dogs. God I love America!!!!!!!


  120. lobo91
    120 | March 20, 2011 8:35 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    That’s a Ft Carson dog (and Soldier).


  121. NoThreat2U
    121 | March 20, 2011 8:39 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I am very familiar with Ft. Carson. They really took a beating for awhile there. I lost a semi family member out of Ft. Carson. That is just too cool though…bad ass doggies. Imagina if our military was let loose to do what it does best. We would have seen world peace years ago. I am rambling….

    I giggled when you said that dog had the same rank as you. lol


  122. lobo91
    122 | March 20, 2011 8:41 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    I wonder if the dog is a USASMA graduate?


  123. Aussie Infidel
    123 | March 21, 2011 12:27 am

    No more US blood and treasure for Arab tribal thugs.

    Save the Libyan rebels! (But do we know who they are?)With Libyan government troops closing in on the rebel stronghold of Benghazi, virtually all American commentators appear to be united in the conviction that America or “the West” should intervene to save the Libyan rebels. But one month after the unrest in Libya began, we still know almost nothing about them. This fact seems not to trouble the commentators or even certain heads of state.
    Last week, French President Nicolas Sarkozy famously recognized the rebels’ so-called National Council as the “legitimate representative of the Libyan people.” But a report in last weekend’s edition of the French daily Le Figaro notes that the full membership of the council is not even known. Reporting from Benghazi, Figaro correspondent Tanguy Berthemet writes, “Officially, it is supposed to have 31 members. But only seven names have been made public. …One does not know where its headquarters are or what its daily order of business is.”
    More ominously, Berthemet’s report makes clear that the National Council is supported by local Islamists. Indeed, it might well contain some. Although Berthemet’s article cites “security concerns,” perhaps this is the reason that the names have not been released. In any case, Berthemet notes that the next step for the National Council is to put together “a veritable transitional government.” His report continues:
    “It’s just a matter of time,” Mohammed Bosidra says, “It’s not a problem, and this government will be recognized by all countries, even in the West.” For Bosidra, a lawyer who is close to the Islamists and who was imprisoned for twenty years, radical Muslims are the only force capable of preventing the formation of a cabinet. But Abdul Hakim al-Hisasady, the voice of Libya’s Islamists, has given his go-ahead.By “Abdul-Hakim al-Hisasady,” Berthemet appears to mean Abdul-Hakim al-Hasadi, who reportedly declared an “Islamic Emirate” in eastern Libya shortly after the start of the Libyan unrest (and who landed a notably chummy interview with the New York Times earlier this month.


  124. Aussie Infidel
    124 | March 21, 2011 1:13 am

    I REAL:LY hate to have to say … “I told you so”. …But I told you so!

    It would appear that the ‘missing’ representatives of the rebel council are in fact. Muslim Brotherhood.

    So I ask you ….Really how come the US is borrowing Chinese money to risk the lives of US servicemen and women to defend these slimebags who want us all dead?
    Tjis latest trip in toe BIZZARO WORLD of the State Department is getting more surreal.

    You just can’t write this stuff!

    NATO forces continued to do damage to Libya’s air defenses today, and warplanes began bombing other military assets, including the command-and-control building in Col. Qaddafi’s compound in Tripoli. Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned that it was important not to exceed the mandate of the UN by extending NATO’s mission beyond the original stated goals. The Arab League is already unhappy, and has objected to what it sees as the duplicitous behavior of NATO in doing more than simply enforcing a no-fly zone.


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