The Libyan intervention will have unintended consequence. The low bar that is now set for UN intervention could possible lead to international coalitions attacking nations they don’t like. Turkish Deputy PM Bülent Arınç recently commented that the UN should enforce resolutions against Israel. He is all but calling for a UN lead attack on Israel.
After assuring both Libyans and Turks that Turkey was not involved in airstrikes on Libya, Deputy Prime Minister Bülent Arınç, of Turkey, said, “We wish that the United Nations had made such resolutions and countries had taken action in the face of incidents in Gaza, Palestine and the other regions.
This is exactly the problem I thought might arise from President Obama’s endorsement of the trendy principle of “Responsibility to Protect”. In yesterday’s blog, “The Rise of Samantha Power and the risks for the American-Israel relationship,” I speculated that the rationale Obama adopted to bomb Libya bore the risks of others adopting the same “principle” to justify punishing, if not bombing, Israel.
Read the rest: Turkey’s Deputy Prime Minister calls for bombing of Israel
This speaks volumes to how this UN action against Libya will be used. It’s possible in the next Israel-Islamist war that a no fly zone will be ordered, thus attempting to prevent Israeli air supremacy over the battlefield. Clearly this is the Turkish Deputy PM’s wishes.
(Hat Tip: Da_Beerfreak)
Rodan Commentary:
This action against Libya will have other unintended consequences. Libya was the model of a rogue state that gave up it’s WMD program. It was rewarded by integration into the global economic system. Libya’s intelligence assisted the CIA against Al-Qaeda. Qaddafi paid money in restitution for the Lockerbie bombing. He was living up to his part of the agreement. By attacking Libya other rogue states will not give up their weapons. No one will trust us and an agreement signed with the US will be viewed as only good one Presidential term. The repercussions will be unforeseen.
Tags: Col. Mumar Qaddafi, Libyan War, UN
Turkey shouldn’t be in nato
@ Nevergiveup:
Niether should we.
I saw this coming. Once we asked “Mother, may I?” to the UN on Libya we made this inevitable. Now, what will Obama do?
vagabond trader wrote:
We are nato
And just like clockwork
Iron Fist wrote:
Not much till after the 2012 election. He might even try to fuck Israel on his way out the door
@ Nevergiveup:
NATO has outlived its usefulness. We don’t still have the Alliance with the Soviet Union against Hitler hanging around our neck. Why should we have NATO? The reasons for its establishment have gone away. So should it.
The re-establishment of the caliphate proceeds apace added by the ummah’s “blue-eyed slaves”.
Wonder if the jihad could be recast as a type of colonialism? If so it might elicit a knee-jerk opposition by the unthinking indoctrinates churned out by our left-wing educational system.
vagabond trader wrote:
Yup– except to be fair to the Palis, they have been asking for that for the last 30 years, so that’s not new. It’s just that the context has changed
@ vagabond trader:
Yes, don’t you remember that nice Palestinian family that the derranged Israeli settlers stabbed to death the other day?
Must read and remember who we are dealing with.
citizen_q wrote:
Recast? Jihad is the oldest form of colonialism still practiced in the world today.
Iron Fist wrote:
Well the reason for NATO was not Hitler, but the Soviets. Nato was al alliance for Western European and North Atlantic Counties against the Soviet threat.
@ vagabond trader:
I have speculated that the whole Libyan War may be a strategic move against Israel, by setting up the internationalist precedents of UN action and the US acting at the sufferance of the Arab League. I am not positive that is what it is, but this dovetails neatly with that theory.
Nevergiveup wrote:
That is my point
What are the Soviets threatening today? About as much as Hitler…
Iron Fist wrote:
?? Well the Russians are still a threat. Not as much as when they were the evil empire, but they are still no friends of ours or Western Europe or Democracy. But there is no doubt that just like the UN, NATO in it’s present form has outlived it’s usefulness.
citizen_q wrote:
Six Tracts of Hassan Al-Bana’: A Selection from the Majmu’at Rasa’il al-Imam al-Shahid Hasan al-Banna’ (1906-1949), “Our Mission”, Hassan al-Banna’, p. 65
@ Iron Fist:
Very bad juju imho.A warning at the very least. Samantha Power and her consort Cass Sunstein are eeeevil little trolls.
“Western nations have still to decide who will run the operation once Washington pulls back.”
Who goes to “WAR” with out any idea who is gonna lead them? How fucked up is this?
@ vagabond trader:
Sorry Rodan,didn’t realize you already linked the Power story.I really think it is an ominous warning to Israel. People should remember this and disabuse themselves of the tedious notion Hussein is a naive academic,misled by his puppet masters and commie cadre. He knows precisely what he is doing.Doesn’t mean he isn’t nukkin futz . Look at what he has “accomplished” thus far.
@ Nevergiveup:
Yeah I can just see the western powers going up against Russia anytime soon///
@ Iron Fist:
@ Philip_Daniel:
Agreed my point being is the understanding of those raised the evils of colonialism to see the actions of the jihad in that light. Hell most of them either deny there is a jihad, or think of it as a fuzzy-wuzzy inner-quest for spiritual growth.
Nevergiveup wrote:
Fools and those who use the fools to further their own ends while minimizing their own risks.
@ Nevergiveup:
Who are the military toadies advising him on this? Do they all just nod their heads in unison and say yes sir?
OT:
Awww,expecting a bailout from the gay in chief any day now.
vagabond trader wrote:
Yeah, but neither do i see Russia challenging the Western Powers. COnventionally they not so strong Militarily. It is still their Nuclear Arsenal that is the threat and why Nato still has some relevance, but not in it’s now bloated political form
Think on this the next time the Teachers are squawking abut being “underpaid”:
Damn, but I went into the wrong profession. That is insane. Yeah, he isn’t a teacher he is an superintendant, but damn, that money still comes out of the education budget. If they can afford to pay that, I don’t want to hear that education is underfunded…
vagabond trader wrote:
Those decisions don’t seem to seep down to my lowly level
@ Iron Fist:
Service pays!
@ Nevergiveup:
Our strategic arsenal, that Obama is busy trying to get rid of, is what hold the whip-hand there, not NATO. Britain and France have less than 500 deliverable weapons between them (maybe less than 400). That isn’t enough of a deterrant. Of course, Obama is cutting us down to 1500 (thanks in part to Senate RINOs; see why we need 42 solid Republican senators?). Is that enugh? Maybe, if we have the will to use them. That is something, though, that Russia has to doubt after our weak response to 9-11.
Humanitarian Intervention. Wonder why Darfur is still ignored/
@ Iron Fist:
I said NATO as it is constituted today is bloated and political. I’d like to see a smaller Nato with just the US, UK, France, Canada, Germany, Japan, and Israel. Maybe I missed someone, but ya know only real democracies and good guys.
@ vagabond trader:
“Here! Hold my beer and watch this…” – Barack Hussein Obama
@ Nevergiveup:
Agreed,something like that league of democracy McCain talked about. I know,the old fool did have one good idea.
vagabond trader wrote:
Thanks for the link.
When Obama was elected, I tried to point out his connections with anti-Israel folks like Wright, Ayers, and Khalidi to the Jews I knew who were planning to vote for him. “Oh, no,” they said. “He’s got Rahm Emanuel as chief of staff, and Emanuel was in the IDF.” Emanuel was not, of course, in the IDF—he was a summer civilian volunteer with them when he was in college. And, too, the chief of staff is not a policy position.
When I pointed out that Samantha Power was in the government in a policy position, they said, “Oh, no, she’s not at the top—and Hillary Clinton is the Secretary of State.”
Well, Emanuel—whatever his influence was on Obama—is out. And this Administration has shown it has a penchant for people who are not formally “at the top” making policy decisions—e.g., Valerie Jarrett. But I have no doubt that the Jews who blinded themselves to Obama’s many anti-Israel connections (including, of course, the Hamas campaign phone banks) will ignore Power’s influence on Middle East Policy right up until the joint UN/US force invades Israel to give Jerusalem to the Arabs.
Azerbaijan calls for NATO to bomb the Armenians over “occupied” Nagorno-Karabakh…
See where this is going?
Philip_Daniel wrote:
Hopefully back to a Republican/Adults back in the White House
Philip_Daniel wrote:
I still remember when someone calling to get bombed was an invitation to go out drinking.
/
citizen_q wrote:
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I quickly tired of being branded a racist, bigot, paranoid, etc… by pointing out these facts. Some people have so thoroughly bought into the obama meme they become astonishingly hostile to any dissent.
14:50France says UN may discuss Russia ceasefire call for Libya (Reuters)
What a farce
@ Philip_Daniel:
Absolutely predictable. The Sons of Confederate Veterans should call on the UN to bomb DC to end the Occupation of the South…
14:46UN rights office urges Syria to probe deaths at protest (AP)
yeah, they’ll get right on it
@ Nevergiveup:
Yeah, this can’t end well for America, no matter what end comes.
@ Iron Fist:
But isn’t beer unIslamic?
Iron Fist wrote:
You know, it seems that South is more American than the North ever will be. Well we all know about the West, other than the Left Coast, but that’s beside the point.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
It saddens me that a people who have gone through this time and again never seem to get it. We continue to sacrifice ourselves in order to be “liked” by those who are at best indifferent to us.
btw,Rodan had already linked the AT article topside,had not noticed that because of my very poor habit of skimming a thread.
@ Macker:
Culturally and politically the Northeast and Left Coast are entirely different countries than the West and South. We don’t have much of anything in common.
@ Iron Fist:
Iron Fist wrote:
If anything, NATO should bomb its member-state Turkey to end the Oghuz Turk occupation of Anatolia…
@ Iron Fist:
They call us Jesusland. Can we call them Gayland?
Iron Fist wrote:
I was just in New England this past weekend. The differences between northern Vermont and southeastern Pennsylvania are quite remarkable…
China is calling for an immediate cease-fire too. How’s that leadership thingy working for ya, Obama? Found any dictators to bow to in South America?
@ Iron Fist:
Just huge-O that I know of.
@ Macker:
Anti-Christland…
Iron Fist wrote:
And we lost an F-15 on this crap and launch around 130 + cruise Missiles.
OTOH, this is good news:
I’d just defund the UN, but retain our seat as a Veto Power. We could contribute whatever Russia does. China is a big economic powerhouse, we keep being told. Let her take up the slack, ’cause we’re broke…
@ Nevergiveup:
Plus the B-2 sorties. Those aren’t cheap. What, maybe $500 million gone already? And for what? I doubt seriously you can get a straight answer out of Obama on that. I sure haven’t heard one.
Iron Fist wrote:
It’s not as easy as all that. If we don’t pay our “dues” , we could forfeit our seat on the Security Council until they are payed up
@ Macker:
Hey, we have gay people in Jesusland. Gay Patriots as a matter of fact.
Iron Fist wrote:
In the calculus of the means justifying the ends, I doubt the real goal is libya at all, it is the precedent of ceding US sovereignty, and acting on the principle of Right to Protect in order to better ferment revolutions and instill their new world order.
@ Nevergiveup:
And our “dues” seem to be calculated a lil’ funny. Liberal math.
Nevergiveup wrote:
I don’t think so. I don’t think any of the permanent members Can be kicked out for anything. But if they kick us off, we pull all the way out. Declare the UN null and void, and do as we please without regard to it. It is nothing but a corrupt institution. The only reason to stay in at all is to have the veto. The world would be a better place without the UN< anyway.
Iron Fist wrote:
NOt kicked out but suspended.
Nevergiveup wrote:
Fine, while we are suspended we can suspend all the visa’s of the UN assholes. Lock the doors and turn out the lights.
@ Iron Fist:
She is a true patriot,Cubano American iirc.Knows the score when it comes to who the real bad actors are.
doriangrey wrote:
And ya know maybe the building might have an accident also. A little “Jewish” Lightening?
@ Nevergiveup:
Or turn it into “affordable” housing.
vagabond trader wrote:
I remember when I first read abt. this scrunt’s outlandish and absurd plan that the U.S. military should invade Israel. I thought it was a crack pot joke. I laughed. Now look. They have laid down the ground work to make it possible.
We can’t discount anything these traitors say.
No matter how absurd it seems . . . it is what they are working for, what they intend to achieve.
It’s like the scrunt who wrote abt. the how the gov. should take over everyone’s 401K retirement money and then give people a monthly benefit check. Oh they would be fair and honor their promise to dole out our own money back to us. LOL
That scheme is still out there . . . . . they are salivating to get their greedy paws on all that cash.
After all, zero thinks that at some point we have made enough money.
@ Nevergiveup:
Nope. Read the Charter:
There is no provision for removing a permanent member of the Security Council. They migh could suspend us from other comittees or something. I don’t know that much about the UN Power Structure. But we are on the Security COuncil, and they have no mechanism for stopping us from wielding our veto. IIRC, before Clinton we were several years in arrears on our dues, and there was nothing done about it then. As I implied, though, they need us far more than we need them.
Nevergiveup wrote:
Hmmm, Hey UN, that’s a nice building you got there, be a damned shame if something happened to it…
@ Iron Fist:
OK
chickadee wrote:
But not him! He still hasn’t made enough money. Nor have the Clintons…
Things that make you go hmmm. Why were they ever on this so called HRC? Behold the mind of a libral.
Iron Fist wrote:
Hmmm, technically the “Union of Soviet Socialist Republics” doesn’t exist anymore, so why is Russia a permanent member?
chickadee wrote:
I was thinking about that. I have been at my current job for quite awhile and been putting the max into my 401K. If they do try to seize 401Ks and not IRAs, I would seriously consider resigning so that I could roll over those funds into a self-directed IRA.
@ doriangrey:
Yeah, I noticed that too. Russia is a successor state to the USSR, but so is the Ukraine. I see it as a de facto admission that might, in the form of nuclear weapons, is the ultimate arbiter of International Law.
citizen_q wrote:
When they decide to seize 401K and IRA’s I am pretty sure they will lock the accounts specifically to prevent people from doing exactly that.
doriangrey wrote:
Probably, but they were also too smart to put in a serverabilty clase into the he11care bill. I might get lucky.
@ doriangrey:
They’d also better get ready for the hot phase of our current Civil War. People won’t take the expropriation of their lie’s savings sitting down. I never expect that to happen (expropriation, that is; I can see us fighting a hot Civil War over a number of issues).
Y’all will like this…
@ chickadee:
Hi chickie!
Yeah,this Samantha Power scrunt and her hideous mate,Cass Sunstein are speshul faves of the anointed one. All Haaarvard alum dontcha know.They make one frightening trio with all their Jew hating connections and personal ideology. This R2P/humanitarian intervention is commie speak,a global testing for their pet theories of world busybodying governance. Unfortunately 42% of Americans handed them the keys.
Iron Fist wrote:
Just keep this in mind when contemplating a hot civil war. The first lethal conflicts will be with local law enforcement officials. It is the local LEO’s who will attempt to enforce whatever legal rulings start the hostilities. LEO’s don’t question the constitutional legality of the laws they enforce, they just enforce whatever laws they are told to enforce. They are Stanley Milgram‘s subjects on steroids.
@ doriangrey:
That is a decision that ultimately they will have to decide. They go around trying to confiscate property at the point of a gun or rounding people up, and they will get what is coming to them.
Georgia is planning to settle Turks in the Javakhk region?
Have they lost their minds?!
@ Iron Fist:
I think a good part of that will be regional. Take, for example gun control. I think the vast majority of law enforcement in the South would refuse to enforce such a law. They probably would stand aside and allow the Federals to enforce it, but even that is not certain, especially in States with Firearms Freedoms laws where such enforcement is technically illegal. OTOH, the confiscation of property that is stored electronically, like money in banks, probably wouldn’t even involve law enforcement personnel. Just an order that would go out. Then we’d see who the people hanged in response…
vagabond trader wrote:
Ivy League-educated Progressives support the most Reactionary global factions. Do they really believe that they can control these factions to their own advantage? If so, do they have empty cranial cavities, or is their brain matter merely atrophied as a result of their never having to think for themselves?
15:55Obama and Erdogan reaffirm full support for UN resolution on Libya (Reuters)
Some pair ha?
@ Philip_Daniel:
Hey, we’re settling Somolis in Murfreesboro. Same kind of suicidal behavior…
Iron Fist wrote:
Their cousins back home in Mogadishu want to conquer Alaska!
@ vagabond trader:
Yes, that R2P (responsibility to protect) gives them a lot of leeway to cause harm.
It is total commie b.s. double speak.
@ Philip_Daniel:
The Alaskans might have something to say about that. I am not impressed with Mohammedan Marksmanship. They can basically hold the trigger of a machinegun down and point it in the general direction of the target. Good enough for terrorism, but Alaskans can, for the most part, shoot. Like as not, they’ll field-dress the somolis afterward, or feed the remains to the bears…
Iron Fist wrote:
They already do that kind of crap every day of the week. American’s bitch and complain about police brutality and abuses of authority all the time, but don’t actually do much about it. Americans have been thoroughly indoctrinated to believe that justice will prevail through the court system. Most American’s simply refuse to believe that the Justice system could be corrupt.
Congress and State legislature pass laws, LEO’s enforce those laws, and the court system slaps down anyone who challenges that enforcement. How many years did it take for Heller to finally be decided? During that entire time the local LEO’s continued to enforce unconstitutional laws.
The US Constitution does not allow for any restriction’s on firearms ownership, yet federal, state and local governments have placed unconstitutional restrictions on firearms ownership and the local LEO’s enforce those unconstitutional laws and are fully 100 percent supported in their doing so by the court system.
Clusterfuck explained…
Things are just going swimmingly in Libya./
Our stated intention was to protect civilians.
Instead we are providing air cover for the Rebels
to launch attacks. They now refer to us as “our
Airforce.”
Nato admits “We know little about these rebels”
RIX wrote:
We have become the Air Force of the mujahideen.
Bosnia/Kosovo 2.0
Coalition of the shrilling
@ <a href="#co_724837" title="Go to comment of this
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We have become the Air Force of the mujahideen.
Bosnia/Kosovo 2.0
It does look that way. A news report last night said that
many of the terrorists that our troops are fighting
in Afghanistan are from Eastern Libya.
Bet that they returned home to enjoy our aircover.
RIX wrote:
So if those returnees habits die hard, and they shoot at our forces, would that be friendly fire? But in Afghanistan they were enemies? I am sooooo confused!
Huge fire in the Interior Ministry ( Police-Secret Police) in Egypt–I am sure it’s an innocent fire?
Nevergiveup wrote:
Actually how do you say ” Reistag” in Arabic
Nevergiveup wrote:
Reichstag Fire Redux…
Nevergiveup wrote:
mousk?
amabO got no clue what to do.
amabO, oh amabO who took all your clues
amabO, oh amabO do you know what you sit on
amabO, oh amabO take a seat, ,,,there thats you
amabO, oh amabO get your finger out make yourself easy.
@ Philip_Daniel:
Both I’m afraid.
Any particular schools front runners for you?
@ citizen_q:
Nevergiveup wrote:
”Al Reistag”
am’abO’
ama bO
a ma b.o.
am a bo
President Am A BO
man is a joke
laugh him out of office
Send one hellfire-missile-equipped-Predator-drone over Libya and assassinate that fu*kin’ ugly bastard. Mission accomplished.
RIX wrote:
([R]egarding my saying ‘the entire world’), and considering that the entire world is expecting us to conquer them with Islam by invading the countries of the kuffar and conquering them so that there is no more fitna and faith in Allah prevails…This is fundamentally a collective obligation upon the Islamic Ummah that you see is wasted and not practiced.
“Responses to the Ruling on Leaving for Battle and the Precondition of Takfir”, Sheikh Abu Abdulrahman Attiya Allah al-Libi (“the Libyan”), http://www.ia700101.us.archive.org
<a href="https://www.weeklystandardstore.com/obama-stress-head/index.php?utm_source=fox_medium=cpm_campaign=567 I want one!
BuddyG wrote:
Getting rid of K’daffy isn’t and never was the “Mission”. Setting a precedent for the United States subjecting itself to the authority of the UN is and was the mission.
@ BuddyG:
You don’t have the same mission in mind that Obama does. What you suggest would do nothing to subordinate America to the UN or undermine American power abroad. That is the primary mission here, I think…
@ vagabond trader:
I’d get myself in trouble with that…
These leaders on the Joint Chiefs, these other leaders of our fighting men ,,better get to reviewing who they in fact work for. We the People hired them and this clown President, Am A BO, all of them are subject to getting their ass’s fired for failure to preform their duties.
like that, all of them,start with
http://www.blowoutcongress.com
Work up and down from there.
@ doriangrey:
And while we’re at it, we should also take MadMood I’m-a-Dick-in-the-Ass Fu*k out of everyone’s misery as well. Irregardless of the UN.
ooops
@ Iron Fist:
Getting one for the old mans b’day. He’ll put it to good discrete use. I hope.
@ taxfreekiller:
Damn straight tfk!
BuddyG wrote:
I don’t know what to think at this point.
If daffy stays in control, then that is a massive pr fail for zero. Even tho he has said daffy is not the target of the mission obviously people want him gone.
But zero may not want him out, pr fail notwithstanding, because zero is thinking abt. that 6 billion in gold that Daffy has buried.
Since zero has no honor, he would eat the pr fail and wait for the gold.
That’s our c-n-c.
It’s a tuff call. What is the best outcome. To have zero humiliated on the world stage or deprive him of all that money.
@ chickadee:
IMHO Pan Am 103 is good enough reason to ventilate Daffy’s cranium.
Might as well take advantage now that the bullets are flyin’
vagabond trader wrote:
More to the point, where are American Jews, the majority of whom voted for Obama, and some of whom contributed to his campaign? Shouldn’t they be telling Obozo that they’ve had quite enough of this, and shouldn’t they be writing checks to the Allen West presidential campaign? Only half joking, but Allen West will protect both the US and our ally Israel.
Special Delivery
Nevergiveup wrote:
I am SURE that the Muslim Brotherhood knows very well how to say it, with impeccable pronounciation, in the original German.
Philip_Daniel wrote:
Can you submit that as a thread?
never mind I’ll throw it into the queue w/ hat-tip to you.
@ citizen_q:
I would say that they would be misunderstanders
of the koran.
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