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Obama’s dithering on Libya was a break for Khadafy

by Speranza ( 140 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Cold War, Libya, United Nations at March 23rd, 2011 - 11:31 am

I think we are seeing the predictable results of a man who despite his public inordinate self confidence, really in his heart of hearts knows that he is not fit to be leader of the free world. Can you imagine if Obama were president during the Brezhnev years on the Cold War? Soviet tanks would have poured through the Fulda Gap in Germany.  Obama is so afraid to come across as a George W. Bush that he loses sight of the fact that a president needs to make decisions and quickly in the national interest. Instead, he obsesses over multilateralism – the God of all liberals.

by Jonah Goldberg

As someone who supported a Libyan no-fly zone from the earliest days of what once seemed like a revolution but now looks like a civil war, I have to admit that Operation Odyssey Dawn may be a perfect example of being careful about what you wish for.

To use a metaphor suitable for March Madness, Obama blew the fast break. The president, an avid hoopster, should understand the reference.

In basketball, a fast break is when the offense brings the ball down the court as quickly as possible so the defense doesn’t have time to set up. It’s all about the fluidity of the moment, pressing your advantages and keeping the opponent off-balance.

Obama went a different way. Back in February when the Libyan revolution was fresh and had momentum on its side, even a small intervention by the U.S. — say, blowing up the runways at Moammar Kadafi‘s military airbases or quietly bribing senior military officers — might have toppled Kadafi. Members of his government were resigning en masse. Pilots were refusing orders to kill fellow Libyans. Soldiers were defecting to the rebels. Libyan citizens openly defied the regime in Tripoli. Nearly everyone thought the madman’s time was up.

That was the time to seize the moment, to give Kadafi a shove when he was already off-balance. If the dictator had been toppled when the rebels were gaining strength, America’s support would have been written off as incidental, with the Libyans taking credit for their own revolution.

But such an approach would have required America to run down the court alone, out ahead of its allies and the international community. For Obama the multilateralist, that would have been too much unilateral hot-dogging.

So Obama slowed things down to set up the play he wanted rather than the play the moment demanded. As a result, Kadafi regained his balance.

Obama wanted a United Nations resolution, a coalition, the support of the international community, even the Arab League. It was as if his top priority was to launch a new war in the Middle East in a way that was exactly opposite from what George W. Bush did. And if that was the goal, he can hang his “Mission Accomplished” banner now; the French shot first.

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But there are real problems with Obama going to the corners, to use another basketball expression. In the heat of the moment, Obama could have taken out Kadafi without much of an explanation. But now he must offer a rationale that’s very hard to square with what’s going on in the rest of the Middle East. Obama says Libyan rebels must be protected from a leader who would kill them “without mercy.” OK, does that apply as well to Saudi, Yemeni, Bahraini and Iranian rebels? No? Why not?

And now that America is rescuing losing rebels rather than lending support to winning ones, we will “own” the next Libyan regime. Let’s cross our fingers on that score.

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  1. BuddyG
    1 | March 23, 2011 11:33 am

    Multilateralism – the first god of all liberals.

    Diversity is another of their gods.


  2. 2 | March 23, 2011 11:35 am

    We are enabling an AL-Qaeda take over of Libya. Obama should of come out and said, No, the US is not getting involved.

    Benghazi is a hotbed of Islamic fundamentalists.

    The elites in both parties will regret their support for overthrowing Qaddafi.


  3. 3 | March 23, 2011 11:36 am

    Another consequences is no nation will give up their WMDs now. Libya came clean and played by teh rules. We still attacked them with a new President.


  4. vagabond trader
    4 | March 23, 2011 11:41 am

    I never supported this and still don’t. Any action that concedes our military to the UN and a potus who absents himself from the USA during this war is unfit for command.


  5. Bob in Breckenridge
    5 | March 23, 2011 11:42 am

    Rodan wrote:

    The elites in both parties will regret their support for overthrowing Qaddafi.

    No they won’t, not publically, anyway. They’ll just continually insist that Qaddaffi was a terrorist who killed not only his own people, but Americans also, so he needed to go. They NEVER admit they made a mistake. Never.


  6. Philip_Daniel
    6 | March 23, 2011 11:42 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Benghazi is a hotbed of Islamic fundamentalists


    Cyrenaica
    is where the oil is at.

    Cyrenaica is where the mujahideen are at.

    We should not have intervened. Furthermore, we should not have intervened on the side of the Cyrenaican mujahideen. That said, in the double desire to safeguard Cyrenaican oil and make Cyrenaican mujahideen love us, all we have done is made it possible for the former to fall into the hands of the latter (what a weapon for use against the mushrikeen is oil!), and embolden the latter in its quest for global Islamic domination while not making them disregard the fundamental Islamic doctrine of enmity towards all disbelievers (to do so would be “great apostasy”, as OBL says.)


  7. Macker
    7 | March 23, 2011 11:42 am

    vagabond trader wrote:

    I never supported this and still don’t. Any action that concedes our military to the UN and a potus who absents himself from the USA during this war is unfit for command.

    Hence the term “Canadian”-in-Chief. No offense to real Canadians!


  8. 8 | March 23, 2011 11:43 am

    I opposed the no-fly zone because I knew Obama wasnt up to the task, and because there is no compelling American interest in going to war for the Muslim Brotherhood in Libya. None. What have we gained by it? Can someone name one thing?


  9. Philip_Daniel
    9 | March 23, 2011 11:44 am

    Two Christians gunned down by armed Muslims outside Church in Pakistan

    In other news, Code Skank members cheer as their beloved brown freedom fighters kill oppressive white Christian people in Pakistan!


  10. Philip_Daniel
    10 | March 23, 2011 11:45 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Another consequences is no nation will give up their WMDs now. Libya came clean and played by teh rules. We still attacked them with a new President.

    That never even occurred to me, but it now seems so obvious.


  11. vagabond trader
    11 | March 23, 2011 11:45 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Humanitarian Intervention™, R2P© Averting genocide!!!!!! Billions would die if we didn’t go in !!!!!!!!!!!


  12. 12 | March 23, 2011 11:47 am

    vagabond trader wrote:

    Billions would die if we didn’t go in !!!!!!!!!!!

    Billions will die no matter what. We have gained nothing but the dubious possibility of being involved in a Third protracted war in the Middle East or turning tail and running like we did in Mogadishu under Clinton. Either way, the USA is the loser here. Big time.


  13. Macker
    13 | March 23, 2011 11:49 am

    @ Philip_Daniel:
    @ Rodan:

    No nation except the United States under الرئيس أوباما will give up its WMDs.


  14. 14 | March 23, 2011 11:50 am

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:

    No they won’t, not publically, anyway. They’ll just continually insist that Qaddaffi was a terrorist who killed not only his own people, but Americans also, so he needed to go. They NEVER admit they made a mistake. Never.

    Yeah and that’s all BS. Qaddafi came clean with his WMD’s, paid restitution to the victims of his past terror and helped us against AL-Qaeda.

    Amazing how this is all being left out. We attacked an ally and no one will trust us again. Another win for Islamic Imperialists.


  15. 15 | March 23, 2011 11:52 am

    @ Macker:

    Qaddafi did give his up. He lived up to his end of the bargain. We backstabbed him.


  16. citizen_q
    16 | March 23, 2011 11:52 am

    In addition the excellent reasons already given to not intervene, I oppose this since we should be facilitating muslims killing muslims, not hindering.

    Never stop an enemy from harming himself.

    The muzz know this and use it to great advantage.


  17. vagabond trader
    17 | March 23, 2011 11:53 am

    @ Rodan:

    So what do you see as the reason he did it?


  18. 18 | March 23, 2011 11:53 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I can’t think of anythuing. What sickens me is how many Conservatives are supporting this crap.


  19. The Osprey
    19 | March 23, 2011 11:55 am

    Macker wrote:

    vagabond trader wrote:

    I never supported this and still don’t. Any action that concedes our military to the UN and a potus who absents himself from the USA during this war is unfit for command.

    Hence the term “Canadian”-in-Chief. No offense to real Canadians!

    Canada under Stephen Harper is actually showing more spine than the US
    under Oblablah.


  20. Speranza
    20 | March 23, 2011 12:02 pm

    Qaddafi is a bad guy but was somewhat muted. What will follow him is worse.


  21. Macker
    21 | March 23, 2011 12:02 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Macker:

    Qaddafi did give his up. He lived up to his end of the bargain. We backstabbed him.

    I don’t disagree with you at all on that. I was referring to from this point forward.


  22. 22 | March 23, 2011 12:02 pm

    Macker wrote:

    Hence the term “Canadian”-in-Chief. No offense to real Canadians!

    *scratches head* Who coined it and what does it actually mean?


  23. Speranza
    23 | March 23, 2011 12:03 pm

    Even with its oil, Libya was a hell hole in World War II and it is one now.


  24. 24 | March 23, 2011 12:04 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    So what do you see as the reason he did it?

    Qaddafi had beef with AL-Qaeda going back to the 90′s. After 9/11 he saw an opportunity to get out of isolation and join the US camp. Itw as the enemy of my enemy thinking.


  25. 26 | March 23, 2011 12:06 pm

    @ Speranza:

    All the Muzz countries are hell holes. There isn’t one of them fit for human habitation, they are all dictatorships, and brutal theocracies. Why would this be any different? They are what they have been for 1400 years. Islam does not change, not can it change. It is a fountain of misery, a well-spring of destruction. It always has been and always will be.


  26. 27 | March 23, 2011 12:07 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    I saw that. Righteous kill. One to be proud of.


  27. Macker
    28 | March 23, 2011 12:10 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    I wonder if it was a Hello Kitty variant?


  28. Guggi
    29 | March 23, 2011 12:10 pm

    Nor did Sarkozy express much support for the recent uprisings in the Arab world, which deposed long-time friends of Paris, including Tunisian President Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.

    In the case of Tunisia, Sarkozy reluctantly fired his loyal foreign minister, Michèle Alliot-Marie, after it emerged that she borrowed a private jet from a Tunisian businessman linked to Ben Ali in order to work on her suntan in the Tunisian seaside town of Tabarka during the height of the political upheaval in Tunisia. According to the French newspaper Le Canard Enchaîné, Alliot-Marie also offered Ben Ali the “know how” of France’s security forces to help him quash the fighting in Tunisia just three days before he was removed from office.

    Snip

    So what explains Sarkozy’s about-face vis-à-vis Libya? His sudden support for the anti-Gaddafi rebels can be attributed to two main factors: opinion polls and the closely related issue of Muslim immigration.

    Sarkozy’s sudden zeal for the cause of democracy in Libya comes as his popularity is at record lows just thirteen months before the first round of the 2012 presidential election. With polls showing that Sarkozy is the least popular president since the founding of the Fifth Republic in 1958, he is betting that French voters will appreciate his efforts in Libya to place France at the center of the world stage and reinforce what Charles de Gaulle once famously called “a certain idea of France” as a nation of exceptional destiny.

    Snip


  29. 30 | March 23, 2011 12:13 pm

    @ Macker:

    You are correct, no one except probbaly us will.


  30. Guggi
    31 | March 23, 2011 12:16 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Qaddafi is a bad guy but was somewhat muted. What will follow him is worse.

    And that’s the real problem.


  31. citizen_q
    32 | March 23, 2011 12:17 pm

    @ Macker:
    Probably a Smith J-Frame. I’ve seen them in pink.

    BBL


  32. 33 | March 23, 2011 12:17 pm

    @ Guggi:

    What an ass. Most French are concerned about the economy and Islamic immigration. They could care less about Louis XIV style Glory.

    What sickens me is that Euro and US leaders went against the will of their voters. This will give ammo to people who claim Democracy is a sham and that the elites do what they want.


  33. Guggi
    34 | March 23, 2011 12:18 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Even with its oil, Libya was a hell hole in World War II and it is one now.

    We, the European, entered Libya 1911, 1922 and 2011. Three times we have invaded the country. This time with the help of the USA. We act like neo-colonialists.


  34. 35 | March 23, 2011 12:18 pm

    @ Guggi:

    20% of foreign fighters in Iraq were Libyan. Majority were from the Benghazi area.


  35. 36 | March 23, 2011 12:20 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Well to be fair, Turkey ruled Libya and Italy kicked out the Turks. It was just an exchange of masters.


  36. Guggi
    37 | March 23, 2011 12:21 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    What an ass. Most French are concerned about the economy and Islamci immigration. They could care less about Louis XIV style Glory.

    Sarkozy’s poll numbers have sky rocked since operation “Harmattan”. All the newspapers and intellectuals (yeo, the Jewish also) are behind him. At the moment he is the hero.


  37. 38 | March 23, 2011 12:22 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Actually, Africa could use colonization. They haven’t exactly covered themselves with glory in their attempts at self-governance.


  38. Speranza
    39 | March 23, 2011 12:22 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    We, the European, entered Libya 1911, 1922 and 2011. Three times we have invaded the country. This time with the help of the USA. We act like neo-colonialists.

    Trust me, we will get as much oil from a post Khadafy Libya as we got from a post Saddam Iraq – maybe even less.


  39. Speranza
    40 | March 23, 2011 12:23 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Actually, Africa could use colonization. They haven’t exactly covered themselves with glory in their attempts at self-governance.

    You mean that Idi Amin was not exactly a benevolent figure in Africa?


  40. Speranza
    41 | March 23, 2011 12:24 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Qaddafi is a bad guy but was somewhat muted. What will follow him is worse.
    And that’s the real problem.

    It is never an exchange of bad leaders for better ones.


  41. Speranza
    42 | March 23, 2011 12:25 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    All the Muzz countries are hell holes. There isn’t one of them fit for human habitation, they are all dictatorships, and brutal theocracies. Why would this be any different? They are what they have been for 1400 years. Islam does not change, not can it change. It is a fountain of misery, a well-spring of destruction. It always has been and always will be.

    The last semi decent Muslim nation was Turkey and after 80 years of secularism it reverted to primitivism.


  42. 43 | March 23, 2011 12:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    We are enabling an AL-Qaeda take over of Libya. Obama should of come out and said, No, the US is not getting involved.
    Benghazi is a hotbed of Islamic fundamentalists.
    The elites in both parties will regret their support for overthrowing Qaddafi.

    You know, this really is an excellent point. Let’s pretend for a moment, that our military objectives are met in a matter of days and that not a single American is harmed. What would that actually mean? All we will have accomplished is replacing an evil mostly cowed thug with far more violent and more dangerous thugs.


  43. 44 | March 23, 2011 12:28 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Sarkozy’s poll numbers have sky rocked since operation “Harmattan”. All the newspapers and intellectuals (yeo, the Jewish also) are behind him. At the moment he is the hero

    So the French love to be delusional that they are still the power as they were under the Sun King? No wonder they are screwed. Plus their hero needed the US to help France.

    I don’t get the French.


  44. Speranza
    45 | March 23, 2011 12:31 pm

    Census; Detroit’s population drops by 25%
    Decline reflects poor economy in only state whose population has fallen since 2000

    Columbus Ohio now more populous then Detroit


  45. 46 | March 23, 2011 12:31 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    What pisses me off is that polls showed AMericans were against getting involved., Instead of hammering Obama on this, the GOP elites went along with this. The only 2 GOP candidates who spoke out against this were Haley Barbour and Trump. The rest, even Palin were all gung ho for this.

    It makes me wonder, what’s the point in voting? We vote out one set of Transnationalists and replace them with another set.

    This episode really disillusionaed me further with the American political system.


  46. 47 | March 23, 2011 12:34 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Hey, look what the Unions have done for the auto industry. And the Democrats for the City as a whole. Detroit is much greener now…


  47. chickadee
    48 | March 23, 2011 12:34 pm

    zero wants it both ways here. He wants to look like a tough guy who can come out swinging but the bottom line is he does NOT want to oust Qadaffi. That is why he dithered and gave daffy time to rally. And that is why he and Hillary etc are flip flopping all around on the purpose of this move.
    The purpose is simply to set up a precedent for the future. Possibly to to use against Israel.
    That’s all they want. And Aamantha Powers is smiling like a subversive scrunt who has gotten the ball rolling.


  48. Guggi
    49 | March 23, 2011 12:35 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Actually, Africa could use colonization. They haven’t exactly covered themselves with glory in their attempts at self-governance.

    Africa is more and more leaning to China. Europe has lost almost all her credibility. They don’t need “Gunboat Diplomacy” and especially in the poor countries Qaddafi was a hero because he invested in real jobs.


  49. Speranza
    50 | March 23, 2011 12:35 pm

    Sorry for going OT on my own thread but I just peaked at the Swamp and I got to say he has nothing up but hysterical threads about how the GOP is going to destroy us all. He is one sick, demented, fucker!


  50. Philip_Daniel
    51 | March 23, 2011 12:36 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    We, the European, entered Libya 1911, 1922 and 2011. Three times we have invaded the country. This time with the help of the USA. We act like neo-colonialists.

    So, the Turks aren’t colonial masters, having governed Libya from 1551 to 1911?


  51. Speranza
    52 | March 23, 2011 12:37 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Africa is more and more leaning to China. Europe has lost almost all her credibility. They don’t need “Gunboat Diplomacy” and especially in the poor countries Qaddafi was a hero because he invested in real jobs.

    1. Qaddafi was a terrorist creep and Mussolini made the trains run on time.
    2. The African nations are sensing who is “the strong horse” – hint, it ain’t the USA any more.


  52. chickadee
    53 | March 23, 2011 12:37 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Guggi:

    Actually, Africa could use colonization. They haven’t exactly covered themselves with glory in their attempts at self-governance.

    I agree and so do a lot of the starving imperiled citizens of many 3rd world African countries.
    Ask the people of zimbabwe how much they miss the white farmers.
    I heard that mugabe is even asking them to come back.
    fck him and jimmy carter.


  53. 54 | March 23, 2011 12:39 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Qaddafi was a hero in Africa. He actually was trying to stabilize the place and assisted the US there as well.


  54. Speranza
    55 | March 23, 2011 12:39 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    The purpose is simply to set up a precedent for the future. Possibly to to use against Israel.

    I doubt even Obama will do that to Israel because half the Democratic Party and all of the Republican Party would desert him and Israel would shoot down all the Fwench and Bwitish jets that appear over their airspace.


  55. Speranza
    56 | March 23, 2011 12:40 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Qaddafi was a hero in Africa. He actually was trying to stabilize the place and assisted the US there as well.

    Calling him a hero is a bit of a stretch. They put up with him because of the money he through their way but they knew he was a nut job.


  56. 57 | March 23, 2011 12:41 pm

    @ Philip_Daniel:

    Italy had a right to take Libya. It was once a former Roman province, seized by Arabs in the 7th Century. ASLso Tripoliw as help by Spain for a few decades. It was Latin territory and Italy had a right to liberate it.

    See if the Muzzies can do it, so can Latins!
    :lol:


  57. 58 | March 23, 2011 12:42 pm

    @ chickadee:

    Personally, I’d leave Africa Strictly alone. No colonization, no foreign aid, nothing. But it is no lie that the entire continent is fucked up. Some countries are worse than others, but all of them need straightening out. Simply giving them money to enrich their current crop of kleptocrats just exacerbates the problems. If we were going to give them money, it should be tied to sustantive reforms. That will, of course, never happen, so end all foreign aid.


  58. 59 | March 23, 2011 12:42 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I heard Guiliani yesterday, and he gets it also.

    I also have another problem with all of this. If you do send our citizens to fight, send them to win, and don’t hamstring them with asinine rules of engagement. I am tired of sending our military over and pretending that their purpose is not to kill enemy combatants, destroy infrastructure, break the opposition’s will to fight. This surgical compassionate warefare is flat out stupid. Our military was never meant to be an international meals on wheels, but the muscle needed to inflict the political will of the executive branch.


  59. Speranza
    60 | March 23, 2011 12:42 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    Ask the people of zimbabwe how much they miss the white farmers.
    I heard that mugabe is even asking them to come back.
    fck him and jimmy carter.

    In 1987 when I was in London I met a white Zimbabwean couple who told me that life was not bad over there. I wonder (if they are even still alive) if they would say the same thing today.


  60. chickadee
    61 | March 23, 2011 12:43 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    What an ass. Most French are concerned about the economy and Islamci immigration. They could care less about Louis XIV style Glory.

    Sarkozy’s poll numbers have sky rocked since operation “Harmattan”. All the newspapers and intellectuals (yeo, the Jewish also) are behind him. At the moment he is the hero.

    See, even the French crave a hero. Someone to show strength, courage and direction and not muddy the waters with meaningless p.c. platitudes.
    People need real leadership in tough times.

    btw, I read that Romney says he will end 0-care by executive order if he is elected.
    I bet the goes up in the polls.


  61. Speranza
    62 | March 23, 2011 12:43 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    I heard Guiliani yesterday, and he gets it also.

    Even though people like to trash him over (in my opinion) nonsense – Rudy Giuliani always got it.


  62. 63 | March 23, 2011 12:43 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I am referring to how Africans viewed him. It was African tribes who gave him the King of Kings of Africa title.

    Money buys love!

    :lol:


  63. Speranza
    64 | March 23, 2011 12:45 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    See, even the French crave a hero. Someone to show strength, courage and direction and not muddy the waters with meaningless p.c. platitudes.
    People need real leadership in tough times.

    People in democracies crave strong,decisive leadership. A strong, decisive leader will get cut a lot of slack even if he fails at times because we always respect confidence and strength (as opposed to arrogance and weakness).


  64. chickadee
    65 | March 23, 2011 12:45 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    chickadee wrote:

    The purpose is simply to set up a precedent for the future. Possibly to to use against Israel.

    I doubt even Obama will do that to Israel because half the Democratic Party and all of the Republican Party would desert him and Israel would shoot down all the Fwench and Bwitish jets that appear over their airspace.

    Maybe the pos will figure that out. But so far I don’t think he has.


  65. Speranza
    66 | March 23, 2011 12:46 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I am referring to how Africans viewed him. It was African tribes who gave him the King of Kings of Africa title.
    Money buys love!

    I think they were humoring him as they took his money and shipped it to their Swiss bank accounts.


  66. 67 | March 23, 2011 12:47 pm

    Surprise!
    Al Qaida commander backs Libyan rebels in message

    Abu Yahya al-Libi urges anti-Gaddafi forces not to retreat; reports of mutiny among Gaddafi forces slowing attack on rebel-held Misrata.


  67. Guggi
    68 | March 23, 2011 12:47 pm

    Philip_Daniel wrote:

    So, the Turks aren’t colonial masters, having governed Libya from 1551 to 1911?

    The Sultanate of Tripoli was only nominally part of the Ottoman Empire. The USA didn’t fight the Ottoman Empire during the barbary coast wars.


  68. Speranza
    69 | March 23, 2011 12:47 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    Maybe the pos will figure that out. But so far I don’t think he has.

    The three scrunts – Hillary Clinton, Samantha Power and Susan Rice are running the foreign policy show right now. When she was running and then became Senator from New York, Hillary was more pro Israel then even Netanyahu although I knew it was patently insincere.


  69. Speranza
    70 | March 23, 2011 12:48 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Surprise!
    Al Qaida commander backs Libyan rebels in message
    Abu Yahya al-Libi urges anti-Gaddafi forces not to retreat; reports of mutiny among Gaddafi forces slowing attack on rebel-held Misrata.

    Too bad both sides cannot lose!


  70. Speranza
    71 | March 23, 2011 12:51 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Hey, look what the Unions have done for the auto industry. And the Democrats for the City as a whole. Detroit is much greener now…

    Yes Detroit is greener now as whole neighborhoods are deserted and wild life is taking over.


  71. 72 | March 23, 2011 12:51 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    The problem is people like Rudy, Trump and Barbour are just 3 voices. Andrew McCarthy and Stanley Kurtz at National Review are the other 2. The rest of the Conservative/Republicans are all for this operation.

    It’s becoming harder for me to do political posts. I really have lost even more faith in the system than I already had lost the last 21 years. I thought the Tea party was the beginning of something new. Instead that movement was hijacked as well. Hence no opposition to this useless adventure.

    It’s really sick.


  72. Guggi
    73 | March 23, 2011 12:54 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Calling him a hero is a bit of a stretch. They put up with him because of the money he through their way but they knew he was a nut job.

    Not at all: Qaddafi created a lot of jobs in countries like Zimbabwe and not only “projects”. From telecommunication to agriculture and the benefits had been re-invested in new jobs. That’s why they liked him. As a developer he did a better job than the Europeans.


  73. 74 | March 23, 2011 12:55 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Surprise!
    Al Qaida commander backs Libyan rebels in message
    Abu Yahya al-Libi urges anti-Gaddafi forces not to retreat; reports of mutiny among Gaddafi forces slowing attack on rebel-held Misrata.

    Libyan fighters made up 20% of Al-Qaeda in Iraq. This is not being reported. FOX News is really dissapointing me. They are not saying the truth.


  74. Speranza
    75 | March 23, 2011 12:55 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I thought the Tea party was the beginning of something new.

    The Tea Party should have stuck to its original grievances – high taxes, out of control spending, and humongous deficits. It started acting though like King Makers and allowed some opportunists to try to take over. When I read that so and so was running with the strong support of the Tea party I wondered – when was there a primary and who endorsed that candidate?


  75. Bob in Breckenridge
    76 | March 23, 2011 12:56 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Qaddafi is a bad guy but was somewhat muted. What will follow him is worse.

    Same thing with Mubarak. He wasn’t anywhere as bad as Qaddaffi, but he ruled with an iron fist. al Qaeda and the Islamists feared the Egyptian secret police. That’s why we’d send the baddest of the bad guys to Cairo to be interrogated. And now with them neutered, all bets are off.


  76. 77 | March 23, 2011 12:56 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Didn’t Qaddafi also move away from Socialism and had a Free Market economy in Libya?


  77. Speranza
    78 | March 23, 2011 12:57 pm

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    Same thing with Mubarak. He wasn’t anywhere as bad as Qaddaffi, but he ruled with an iron fist. al Qaeda and the Islamists feared the Egyptian secret police. That’s why we’d send the baddest of the bad guys to Cairo to be interrogated. And now with them neutered, all bets are off.

    For all his faults – we are going to rue the day that Hosni Mubarak left office.


  78. Speranza
    79 | March 23, 2011 12:58 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Not at all: Qaddafi created a lot of jobs in countries like Zimbabwe and not only “projects”. From telecommunication to agriculture and the benefits had been re-invested in new jobs. That’s why they liked him. As a developer he did a better job than the Europeans.

    He did not develop anything He had no trained people or specialists to send anywhere, however he had a lot of money.


  79. huckfunn
    80 | March 23, 2011 12:59 pm

    Q-daffy sez…


  80. 81 | March 23, 2011 12:59 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yeah I thought it was a movement back to Reagan/Goldwater Style Conservatism. Instead it’s the same shell game of the last 21 years.

    I’s just very disillusioned with everything right now.


  81. Philip_Daniel
    82 | March 23, 2011 1:01 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    The Sultanate of Tripoli was only nominally part of the Ottoman Empire. The USA didn’t fight the Ottoman Empire during the barbary coast wars.

    Yeah, so what? I never said they were Sovereign over such territory. Like Wallachia, Moldova, Transylvania, the Crimea, Ragusa, Circassia, the Kurdish and Arab chieftainships, the Meccan Sharifate, at times Lower and Upper Hungary, Montenegro, the Cossack Hetmanate, and from a legal perspective the eastern fringe of Austria (“Royal Hungary”) and even the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth between the Treaty of Buczacz and the Treaty of Zurawno, the Turks were only Suzerains, with limited control over said territory, such degrees of authority differing between each himaye. Legally, Tripolitania was still submissive to the Porte, even if in reality it was mostly self-governing. The reality of Ottoman Suzerainty instead of Sovereignty certainly does not stop men such as Ahmet Davotoglu and Adnan Oktar from dreaming of a return of Libya to the Turkish “embrace”…


  82. chickadee
    83 | March 23, 2011 1:02 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I don’t have a link for this but I heard that at least one gov. official in some african country has asked that the u.s. stop sending them cast off used clothing because they are full up with that rubbish and it interferes with their economy and the limited clothing manufacturing they are trying to establish. It made sense to me. I thought, if true, how little we know abt, how to really help them. Dumping used clothing on them apparently does more harm than good, after a point. Maybe even financial aid is bad too because the thugs in control steal it.


  83. 84 | March 23, 2011 1:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Libyan fighters made up 20% of Al-Qaeda in Iraq. This is not being reported. FOX News is really dissapointing me. They are not saying the truth.

    So what will Obombya do now that we are essentially doing al qaeda’s dirty work?


  84. chickadee
    85 | March 23, 2011 1:04 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    I heard Guiliani yesterday, and he gets it also.

    I also have another problem with all of this. If you do send our citizens to fight, send them to win, and don’t hamstring them with asinine rules of engagement. I am tired of sending our military over and pretending that their purpose is not to kill enemy combatants, destroy infrastructure, break the opposition’s will to fight. This surgical compassionate warefare is flat out stupid. Our military was never meant to be an international meals on wheels, but the muscle needed to inflict the political will of the executive branch.

    Guiliani/West 2012


  85. 86 | March 23, 2011 1:05 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Too bad both sides cannot lose!

    What’s really worse about this is that the article I linked is from March 13th!


  86. lobo91
    87 | March 23, 2011 1:06 pm

    OT, breaking:

    March 23, 2011

    The Honorable Eric H. Holder, Jr.

    Attorney General

    U.S. Department of Justice

    950 Pennsylvania Ave., NW

    Washington, DC 20530-0001

    Dear Attorney General Holder:

    Recent media reports suggest that the former director of the Service Employees International Union’s (“SEIU”) banking and finance campaign has threatened to seriously endanger the welfare of the United States. In a forum at Pace University earlier this month, Stephen Lerner, the former SEIU official, revealed a “secret plan” to “cause a new financial crisis . . . destroy J.P. Morgan . . . and weaken Wall Street’s grip on power” by using “civil disobedience” to create “the conditions necessary for a redistribution of wealth and a change in government.”[1]

    The Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”) defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”[2] The escalation of Mr. Lerner’s threats would clearly constitute domestic terrorism and pose substantial harm to the American people and the economy. I am therefore requesting that you investigate Mr. Lerner’s terrorist plans and notify me how the Department of Justice plans to respond to these threats.

    The Committee on Oversight and Government Reform is the principal oversight committee of the House of Representatives and may at “any time” investigate “any matter” as set forth in House Rule X. An attachment to this letter provides additional information about responding to the Committee’s request.

    If you have any questions regarding this request, please do not hesitate to contact [redacted]. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

    Sincerely,
    _______________________
    Jason Chaffetz

    cc: The Honorable Darrell Issa, Chairman

    cc: The Honorable Elijah E. Cummings, Ranking Minority Member

    Game on…


  87. chickadee
    88 | March 23, 2011 1:07 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    I heard Guiliani yesterday, and he gets it also.

    Even though people like to trash him over (in my opinion) nonsense – Rudy Giuliani always got it.

    He really does. We need a leader like Rudy now. He loves America.
    He understands the muzz enemy. And he might even have gained a new perspective on the 2nd Amendment.


  88. Guggi
    89 | March 23, 2011 1:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Didn’t Qaddafi also move away from Socialism and had a Free Market economy in Libya?

    No, not real a free market economy. He subsidized basic food, living space, education (for the six to fifteen years old education was free but there were a lot of well paid scholarships for university students either in Libya or abroad), health care was free etc. Libya had the most women working in jobs (1 Million out of a population of ~ 6.4 Million) and to open a business was no problem for a woman.


  89. 90 | March 23, 2011 1:08 pm

    @ chickadee:

    I don’t think a Guiliani candadcy is really viable. He did too poor a job of running his campaign last time. He’d have to do something stunning to set himself off from the pack now, and frankly I don’t think he has it in him. He was a good mayor of New York, especially in a crisis, but that doesn’t make him Presidential material and he proved that last time around.


  90. 91 | March 23, 2011 1:08 pm

    @ Speranza:
    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    @ Urban Infidel:
    @ Philip_Daniel:
    @ huckfunn:
    @ chickadee:
    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Flyovercountry:

    This article read my mind.

    Why the Tea Party isn’t opposing Obama’s position on Libya.

    Over the last couple of days, since the United States joined in establishing a United Nations no-fly zone over northern Libya, Mark Williams has been yelling at Fox News and agreeing with liberals. Why are we there? Why was the intervention kicked off by a U.N. vote and not a vote in Congress?


  91. 92 | March 23, 2011 1:10 pm

    @ Guggi:

    That’s another thing about Qaddafi no one mentions. He actually believes in Women’s equality. Something the Al-Qaeda backed rebels don’t.


  92. 93 | March 23, 2011 1:11 pm

    @ Rodan:

    It should be a bigger issue. Obama has done a lot worse than this, though, with precious little real opposition. I expect the fucker to win in 2012. Especially if he plays his cards minimally right and doesn’t throw Israel under the bus or try and make the gun controller’s wet dreams come true.


  93. 94 | March 23, 2011 1:12 pm

    Another great article.

    The New GOP Warmongers

    The Republican Party blasted Obama for being slow to open fire on Libya. Matt Latimer on how the GOP has betrayed its roots—and attacks anyone not urging all combat all the time.

    The United States military can handle any foe thrown against us, so why not give them a few more? Such is the sentiment of a dominating faction of the Republican Party—a group always eager to deploy America’s sons and daughters to war zones, but who never do the fighting themselves.


  94. 95 | March 23, 2011 1:16 pm

    More bad news for OChaos.

    Iran Orders Attacks on Saudi Interests Worldwide
    Furious over Bahrain, Iranian leaders are openly recruiting suicide bombers to strike at the kingdom.

    The Iranian leaders, furious over the Saudi intervention in Bahrain and what they call crimes against the Shiites of that country, have openly created centers to recruit volunteers for suicide bombings against Saudi Arabia’s interests worldwide.

    Several grand ayatollahs in Iran have issued a fatwa for Muslims to come to the aid of their Shiite brothers in Bahrain, who they claim are suffering horrific crimes from their government in collaboration with the Saudi armed forces. They further emphasized that the people of Bahrain have every right to demand freedom and their fair share from the state.

    Shia-News, a site associated with Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi (a hard-line Shiite Twelver and an influential figure in the suppression of Iranians during their uprising to protest the fraudulent presidential election of 2009), is registering volunteers to participate in suicide bombings against Saudi interests around the world. Hundreds have already registered. Reports from inside Iran indicate that an alert has gone out to the Revolutionary Guards Quds forces throughout the world to prepare for attacks on Saudi establishments.

    No wonder Hillary is bolting.


  95. chickadee
    96 | March 23, 2011 1:17 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    chickadee wrote:

    Maybe the pos will figure that out. But so far I don’t think he has.

    The three scrunts – Hillary Clinton, Samantha Power and Susan Rice are running the foreign policy show right now. When she was running and then became Senator from New York, Hillary was more pro Israel then even Netanyahu although I knew it was patently insincere.

    LOL

    The Three Scrunts


  96. 97 | March 23, 2011 1:18 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I am hardly going to turn Peacenik over this. When there is a compelling American interest in using Military Force, I am all for it. War is Politics by other methods, after all. But when you can’t demonstrate any compelling American interest, and it seems to have been done haphazardly and without the appropriate planning and thought that something that serious requires, then I am opposed to it. That is the case here.


  97. 98 | March 23, 2011 1:18 pm

    @ chickadee:
    @ Iron Fist:

    I would vote for Rudy. Perhaps he learned from his experience in 2008. Oart if what sunk his candidacy was Charlie, no longer a Republican Crist. That being said, I have no problems with a guy learning from his failures and gaining strength. Reagan went for the GOP nomination in 1968 and 1976 before finally succeeding in 1980.


  98. 99 | March 23, 2011 1:18 pm

    @ Rodan:
    From your link, best description I’ve heard of Odummy yet:

    “Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug”


  99. Bob in Breckenridge
    100 | March 23, 2011 1:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    @ Urban Infidel:
    @ Philip_Daniel:
    @ huckfunn:
    @ chickadee:
    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Flyovercountry:

    Why are we there? Why was the intervention kicked off by a U.N. vote and not a vote in Congress?

    Every time I see or read about Obungler’s dithering on whatever the issue, and not being able to clearly say why he does or won’t do something, I go back to his days as an Illinois senator, where rather than take a stand one way or the other, he’d just vote “present”. The moron’s a eunuch. He has no balls.


  100. huckfunn
    101 | March 23, 2011 1:24 pm

    It’s about time someone did this: High-Profile Conservative Group Files Lawsuit Against Obama Administration Over Health Care Waivers

    On the first anniversary of President Obama’s health care reform act being signed into law, the Washington based GOP super think tank known as Crossroads GPS plans to file a federal lawsuit Wednesday in D.C. District Court against the Department of Health and Human Services.
    Fox News has learned the group is seeking documents to better understand how HHS makes decisions to grant waivers to the new health care law.

    At issue is the Obama administration’s criteria for granting 1,040 of the temporary health care reform waivers to businesses, labor groups and a handful of states. Those organizations are being allowed to opt out of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act — at least until 2014 — in order to let them develop systems and alternatives to meet the health care reform law’s strict coverage requirements.

    Talk about opening a can of worms.


  101. 102 | March 23, 2011 1:24 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    Obam may very well qualify for the letter of the Law on being a Natural born citizen, but he definately violates the intent of it. The Founding Fathers didn’t forsee a person born native to this soil being raised in a foreign land to hate everything the country stands for.


  102. 103 | March 23, 2011 1:24 pm

    @ Rodan:

    The problem, (if you could call it that,) is that the Tea Party was a grass roots movement with no real leadership of policy position. It was entirely about bloated government growth and unaccountability. The thunder has been stolen, like it inevitably always is. At all of the Tea Pary Rallies, I do not remember a single foreign policy discussion taking place. Now that the GOP is making at least half assed attempts at cutting spending, (bear in mind that this is the first time in American History that money has actually been taken off the table for real,) the Tea Party is starting to lose some of its fizzle. If the Boehner led house goes back on their word, it’ll gain that fizzle back again quick.


  103. 104 | March 23, 2011 1:25 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I only support Military action for economic reasons or to confront Islam. I would support Actioan agaisnt Venezuela, Somai pirates or Iran. Not another nation building excercise, but just wars for pure destruction.

    What the article points out is that the GOP is now supporting war, for the sake of supporting war. This is revolution without end. The Jacobins would be proud of today’s GOP. This is not a Conservative attitude, this is Progressives.

    The fact that the GOP supports any war without debate is insane.

    Qaddafi wasn’t our enemy. He was helping us against Al-Qaeda and we attacked him. This is disgusting.


  104. chickadee
    105 | March 23, 2011 1:26 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ chickadee:

    I don’t think a Guiliani candadcy is really viable. He did too poor a job of running his campaign last time. He’d have to do something stunning to set himself off from the pack now, and frankly I don’t think he has it in him. He was a good mayor of New York, especially in a crisis, but that doesn’t make him Presidential material and he proved that last time around.

    I’m not counting him out. His last campaign was a disaster. And such a disappointment. wtf was he thinking.
    That said, I think, the race is wide open because of the huge debacle that is zero. I think Rudy is a strong law and order, anti-muzz, pro-America real leader.
    He can redeem himself. We will see.


  105. 106 | March 23, 2011 1:27 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Sorry for going OT on my own thread but I just peaked at the Swamp and I got to say he has nothing up but hysterical threads about how the GOP is going to destroy us all. He is one sick, demented, fucker!

    And in a strange way he is right, just not in the way he thinks. At the rate the GOP leadership is going they will destroy America, but it will be by not taking action, by being content to surrender to the Marxist Democrats, by compromising with those inside forces like the Unions who are actively trying to crash America’s economy and rebuild America as a Marxist Utopia.


  106. 107 | March 23, 2011 1:30 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    We need a foreign policy debate in the GOP. Whenever someone challenges the current thinking, they get labeled an isolationist. We really do need a debate on what a Conservative foreign policy should be.

    For me it should be the US dominating it’s Hemisphere and Containing Islamic-Imperialism. If we go to war, we launch wars of destruction, not nation building. That too me should be our foreign policy.


  107. Bob in Breckenridge
    108 | March 23, 2011 1:31 pm

    Listen: Secret Libya Psyops, Caught by Online Sleuths

    The U.S. military has dispatched one of its secret propaganda planes to the skies around Libya. And that “Commando Solo” aircraft is telling Libyan ships to remain in port – or risk NATO retaliation.

    We know this, not because some Pentagon official said so, but because one Dutch radio geek is monitoring the airwaves for information about Operation Odyssey Dawn — and tweeting the surprisingly-detailed results. On Sunday alone, “Huub” has identified the tail numbers, call signs, and movements of dozens of NATO aircraft: Italian fighter jets, American tankers, British aerial spies, U.S. bombers, and the Commando Solo psyops plane (pictured).

    “If you attempt to leave port, you will be attacked and destroyed immediately,” the aircraft broadcasted late Sunday night.


  108. 109 | March 23, 2011 1:33 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Plus useless wars were ther is no economic gain.


  109. Bob in Breckenridge
    110 | March 23, 2011 1:33 pm

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    Listen: Secret Libya Psyops, Caught by Online Sleuths
    The U.S. military has dispatched one of its secret propaganda planes to the skies around Libya. And that “Commando Solo” aircraft is telling Libyan ships to remain in port – or risk NATO retaliation.
    We know this, not because some Pentagon official said so, but because one Dutch radio geek is monitoring the airwaves for information about Operation Odyssey Dawn — and tweeting the surprisingly-detailed results. On Sunday alone, “Huub” has identified the tail numbers, call signs, and movements of dozens of NATO aircraft: Italian fighter jets, American tankers, British aerial spies, U.S. bombers, and the Commando Solo psyops plane (pictured).
    “If you attempt to leave port, you will be attacked and destroyed immediately,” the aircraft broadcasted late Sunday night.

    Click on the link and listen to the broadcast. It’s interesting.


  110. chickadee
    111 | March 23, 2011 1:35 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    It’s about time someone did this: High-Profile Conservative Group Files Lawsuit Against Obama Administration Over Health Care Waivers

    On the first anniversary of President Obama’s health care reform act being signed into law, the Washington based GOP super think tank known as Crossroads GPS plans to file a federal lawsuit Wednesday in D.C. District Court against the Department of Health and Human Services.
    Fox News has learned the group is seeking documents to better understand how HHS makes decisions to grant waivers to the new health care law.

    At issue is the Obama administration’s criteria for granting 1,040 of the temporary health care reform waivers to businesses, labor groups and a handful of states. Those organizations are being allowed to opt out of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act — at least until 2014 — in order to let them develop systems and alternatives to meet the health care reform law’s strict coverage requirements.

    Talk about opening a can of worms.

    LOL, if obama-care was such a “gift” to us, why is everyone crying for a waiver?
    fcking commies who come bearing gifts . . . .
    “gifts,” that have to be forced down your throat.


  111. lobo91
    112 | March 23, 2011 1:37 pm

    Chavez Says Capitalism May Have Destroyed Life On Mars

    Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez thinks capitalism may be responsible for the lack of life on the planet Mars.

    “I have always said, heard, that it would not be strange that there had been civilization on Mars, but maybe capitalism arrived there, imperialism arrived and finished off the planet,” Chavez said in a speech on Tuesday.

    The socialist president has been a fierce opponent of capitalism, and during his World Water Day speech, Chavez blamed capitalism for destroying Earth’s water supplies as well.

    “Here on planet Earth, where hundreds of years ago or less there were great forests, now there are deserts. Where there were rivers, there are deserts,” Chavez said.

    Guy Webster, a spokesman with the NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, noted: “Water has been discovered on Mars.” But whether the planet ever supported life has yet to be confirmed.


  112. lobo91
    114 | March 23, 2011 1:39 pm

    Megyn Kelly seems to have figured out that we’re helping al Qaeda in Libya…


  113. huckfunn
    115 | March 23, 2011 1:40 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    It’s about time someone did this: High-Profile Conservative Group Files Lawsuit Against Obama Administration Over Health Care Waivers

    On the first anniversary of President Obama’s health care reform act being signed into law, the Washington based GOP super think tank known as Crossroads GPS plans to file a federal lawsuit Wednesday in D.C. District Court against the Department of Health and Human Services.
    Fox News has learned the group is seeking documents to better understand how HHS makes decisions to grant waivers to the new health care law.

    At issue is the Obama administration’s criteria for granting 1,040 of the temporary health care reform waivers to businesses, labor groups and a handful of states. Those organizations are being allowed to opt out of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act — at least until 2014 — in order to let them develop systems and alternatives to meet the health care reform law’s strict coverage requirements.

    Talk about opening a can of worms.

    LOL, if obama-care was such a “gift” to us, why is everyone crying for a waiver?
    fcking commies who come bearing gifts . . . .
    “gifts,” that have to be forced down your throat.

    Here’s the official Obamacare Waver


  114. Speranza
    116 | March 23, 2011 1:41 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    And in a strange way he is right, just not in the way he thinks. At the rate the GOP leadership is going they will destroy America, but it will be by not taking action,

    I kind of concur!


  115. 117 | March 23, 2011 1:41 pm

    @ lobo91:

    That’s tonight’s thread!

    Ancient Aliens: The Hugo Chavez Edition!

    I even have a few new of his songs!


  116. Speranza
    118 | March 23, 2011 1:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Qaddafi wasn’t our enemy. He was helping us against Al-Qaeda and we attacked him. This is disgusting.

    We should sit on the sidelines and let Obama take full responsibility for this adventure. No fig leafs cover for him!


  117. taxfreekiller
    119 | March 23, 2011 1:44 pm

    Democrats get every one killed.

    Democrats are not even smart enough to stay out of the line of fire they get going out of pure dumb ass shit themselves.

    Democrats are the one clear and present danger to U.S. and all others on planet earth who love freedom and justice.

    November 2012
    November 2014
    November 2016

    We must all be ready with votes every November until they are done.


  118. 120 | March 23, 2011 1:45 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I remember calling you an isolationist once, but I also remember that we each misunderstood each other’s positions. For my part, it would be this way:

    Protect our interests, where ever they may be. This would include defending our allies when they needed defending, just like we would expect them to defend us also. When we do need to fight, we should go to win, period. Allow the military leaders to prosecute the hostilities in any way that they see fit. I am bothered by the term, exit strategy. Our exit strategy should be victory. Under my doctrine, Iran would pay heavily for their continued proxy war with Israel. By heavily, I mean I would be so terribly worried about colatteral casualties, or how many things in Iran I broke. An ally would be defined as any nation who signed an alliance treaty with us. Mostly consisting of nations with whom we enjoyed fair and free trade agreements. (This includes opening their markets to our companies free from tarriff as well.) If two of our allies decided to fight, we would disable both from waging war, by any means necessary. For nations we are not allied with, you are on your own, and good luck to you. Learn to protect yourselves.


  119. chickadee
    122 | March 23, 2011 1:47 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    :)


  120. taxfreekiller
    123 | March 23, 2011 1:48 pm

    Rule One.

    Ambushs suck.

    We have no reason to walk into any ambush, for sure we have no excuse to allow the Republican Party leadership to walk point and spring the f’n trap we will be destroyed in.

    It is not up to the Republican Party Leadership, it is up to U.S., get over blameing the Republican Party.

    We the People know what to do, lets just do it.

    Vote, Votes and more Votes.

    It is U.S. or them.


  121. Bureaucat
    124 | March 23, 2011 1:48 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    No wonder Hillary is bolting.

    On the way out she managed to grace the Obama White House steps with a huge flaming turd.

    I can’t think of any better reason to saddle Obama with a war against Libya than to boost her chances of challenging him in 2012.


  122. refugee000
    125 | March 23, 2011 1:49 pm

    I see the savages are back at work

    Jerusalem bombing comes amid rising Israel-Gaza violence


  123. 126 | March 23, 2011 1:52 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    I can agree to that. I just don’t want any more wars for Muslim Democracy. I want to cripple and isolate Dar AL islam, not spend treasure to help them.


  124. lobo91
    127 | March 23, 2011 1:52 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    breaking:
    Eiffel Tower Evacuated over Suspicious Package

    Probably wasn’t Muslims, since they’re saying they received a call warning about the bomb.


  125. 128 | March 23, 2011 1:53 pm

    refugee000 wrote:

    I see the savages are back at work
    Jerusalem bombing comes amid rising Israel-Gaza violence

    They figure once Israel goes all out, they will beg for a no fly zone.

    Israel should watch the Hezzies in the north as well.


  126. 129 | March 23, 2011 1:55 pm

    @ refugee000:

    They never stopped. Gaza flung something like 50 mortar shells and rockets at Israel over the weekend. Such shit simply isn’t reported, because it would hurt the Liberal narragtive too much.


  127. refugee000
    130 | March 23, 2011 1:58 pm

    @ Rodan:

    This is all rapidly swirling down the toilet.

    Hussein’s sniveling appeasement, sympathy for Islamic imperialism, messages of American weakness–it’s all causing the middle east to blow up.
    The sharks smell blood.


  128. taxfreekiller
    131 | March 23, 2011 2:01 pm

    Keep in mind.

    If the U.S. does flounder and get weak or worse, the leaders of both parties will abandon ship to some where else or they will be the few elites at the top bleeding the few poor souls who remain.

    Our only choice is to fight with votes and win.

    This way of this link and or any other way, just get started and never turn back.

    http://www.blowoutcongress.com


  129. Philip_Daniel
  130. chickadee
    133 | March 23, 2011 2:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Flyovercountry:

    I can agree to that. I just don’t want any more wars for Muslim Democracy. I want to cripple and isolate Dar AL islam, not spend treasure to help them.

    I agree. No more aid to the enemy: Islam.


  131. Bureaucat
    134 | March 23, 2011 2:09 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    Obam may very well qualify for the letter of the Law on being a Natural born citizen, but he definately violates the intent of it. The Founding Fathers didn’t forsee a person born native to this soil being raised in a foreign land to hate everything the country stands for.

    Hell the University of Chicago faculty did as much damage to Obama’s fitness to preside over the Union as any Indonesian Madrass. We have to be vigilent for traitors and subversives within our borders.


  132. waldensianspirit
    135 | March 23, 2011 2:18 pm

    Obama the Nicolaitan


  133. Macker
    136 | March 23, 2011 2:21 pm

    Bureaucat wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    No wonder Hillary is bolting.

    On the way out she managed to grace the Obama White House steps with a huge flaming turd.

    I can’t think of any better reason to saddle Obama with a war against Libya than to boost her chances of challenging him in 2012.

    Why doesn’t she just Get Up and Go NOW?


  134. Macker
    137 | March 23, 2011 2:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Flyovercountry:

    I can agree to that. I just don’t want any more wars for Muslim Democracy. I want to cripple and isolate Dar AL islam, not spend treasure to help them.

    Muslim Democracy: One Man, One Vote, One Time ONLY.
    Gee should we make that into a bumper sticker?


  135. refugee000
    138 | March 23, 2011 2:27 pm

    So I took a look at al-chuki’s toilet.
    He has the a story about the Jerusalem bombing. Very low key.
    I was wondering if he had blamed the GOP for it.

    Curiously, there are few comments, and only a few of the old names who are commenting about it.


  136. vagabond trader
    139 | March 23, 2011 2:39 pm

    @ refugee000:

    I was wondering if he had blamed the GOP for it.

    Or Sarah Palin, who was just there over the weekend.


  137. orangecrush
    140 | March 23, 2011 3:26 pm

    Nato is dead. We have more in common with iraq than we do the EU.

    Qadafi is just gonna wait the presidential 90 days out. It’s either kill him or force him to run. That means in this case someone has to be shooting at him constantly.


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