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Tilting at Renewable Energy Windmills

by huckfunn ( 74 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Climate, Democratic Party, Economy, Environmentalism, government, Progressives, Spain, Technology at May 11th, 2011 - 8:30 am



One of the main goals set forth in Obama’s 2011 SOTU address was the implementation of clean energy. “So tonight, I challenge you to join me in setting a new goal: by 2035, 80% of America’s electricity will come from clean energy sources”.  Let’s take a look at what the “green energy” initiative has done for Spain.

Spain’s Solar Deals on Edge of Bankruptcy as Subsidies Founder

German Vilimelis heard about Spain’s solar gold rush from his brother-in-law in 2007.Across the plains around Lerida, the northeastern Spanish town where they spent weekends, farmers were turning over their fields to photovoltaic panels to capitalize on government solar- energy subsidies. Vilimelis persuaded his father, Jaume, who made a living growing pears on 5 acres (2 hectares) of land in Lerida, to turn over a portion of his farm for the project, Bloomberg Markets reported in its November issue.

Vilimelis, 35, a procurement manager for a consumer goods company, pooled his family savings and mortgaged his apartment to obtain a loan of more than 400,000 euros ($558,500) to cover the investment. Within nine months, the family’s 80-kilowatt generation unit — 500 solar panels on seven racks angled toward the sun — was feeding power into the national grid.

Solar investors such as Vilimelis were lured by a 2007 law passed by the government of Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero that guaranteed producers a so-called solar tariff of as much as 44 cents per kilowatt-hour for their electricity for 25 years — more than 10 times the 2007 average wholesale price of about 4 cents per kilowatt-hour paid to mainstream energy suppliers.

Thanks to the incentives, the family met the monthly cost of the loan and even earned a small profit. Once the debt was paid off in 2018, Vilimelis looked forward to making even more money during the 15 additional years of subsidies guaranteed under Spanish law.

Now Vilimelis and more than 50,000 other Spanish solar entrepreneurs face financial disaster as the policy makers contemplate cutting the price guarantees that attracted their investment in the first place.

“You feel cheated,” he says. “We put our money in on the basis of a law.”

Zapatero introduced the subsidies three years ago as part of an effort to cut his country’s dependence on fossil fuels. At the time, he promised that the investment in renewable energy would create manufacturing jobs and that Spain could sell its panels to nations seeking to reduce carbon emissions.

Yet by failing to control the program’s cost, Zapatero saddled Spain with at least 126 billion euros of obligations to renewable-energy investors. The spending didn’t achieve the government’s aim of creating green jobs, because Spanish investors imported most of their panels from overseas when domestic manufacturers couldn’t meet short-term demand.

So where are all of the “green jobs” that the renewable energy boom were supposed to create?

Look at Spain, Green Employment is Red.

By 2005, growth rates of installed solar and wind capacity in Spain were among the highest in the world. Now, however, the tariff deficit has reached an estimated $26 billion while economic recession has lowered tax receipts and threatened overall fiscal health. In 2009, Spain’s public-sector debt rose to 53.2% of gross domestic product from 39.8% in 2008. The maximum specified for euro-zone countries is 60%.

• For every green job financed by Spanish taxpayers, 2.2 jobs were lost as an opportunity cost.

• Only 1 of 10 green job contracts were in maintenance and operation of installed plants; the rest were working positions sustainable only in an expansive environment related to high subsidies.

• Since 2000, Spain had committed $753,778 for each green job.

• Those programs resulted in the destruction of nearly 110,500 jobs.

• Each green megawatt installed destroyed 5.39 jobs elsewhere in the economy.

A report recently released by Stuart Young Consulting and The John Muir Trust in the UK is highly skeptical of the economic feasibility of wind generated electric power based upon a study of UK wind farms. Among the findings:

  • On 124 separate occasions from November 2008 to December 2010, the total generation from the windfarms metered by National Grid was less than 20MW (a fraction of the 450MW expected from a capacity in excess of 1600MW+). These periods of low wind lasted an average of 4.5 hours.
  • Actually, low wind occurred every six days throughout the 26-month study period. The report finds that the average frequency and duration of a low wind event of 20MW or less between November 2008 and December 2010 was once every 6.38 days for a period of 4.93 hours.
  • At each of the four highest peak demand points of 2010, wind output was extremely low at 4.72%, 5.51%, 2.59% and 2.51% of capacity at peak demand.
  • In fact, the average output from wind was 27.18% of metered capacity in 2009, 21.14% in 2010, and 24.08% between November 2008 and December 2010 inclusive.
  • below 20% of capacity more than half the time
  • below 10% of capacity over one third of the time
  • below 2.5% capacity for the equivalent of one day in twelve
  • below 1.25% capacity for the equivalent of just under one day a month

Read the whole report here. (Hat Tip Yenta Fada)

Much of the renewable energy initiative has already proven to be a failure and the O-Regime certainly knows this. As with most of their policies, the renewable energy scam is about limiting our freedom of choice, wealth re-distribution and controlling every aspect of our lives.

Rodan Note: These Green policies have led to 22% Unemployment in Spain. Currently the Rightwing Popular Party is ahead in the polls for the 2012 elections. This has led Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Zapatero to announced he will not seek re-election. His Green jobs focus has failed!

 

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74 Responses to “Tilting at Renewable Energy Windmills”
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  1. Speranza
    1 | May 11, 2011 9:05 am

    Obama prefers that Brazil drills and we buy from them. America Second is his mantra.


  2. 2 | May 11, 2011 9:07 am

    Liquid Thorium Nuclear Reactor. Say it! That is the energy of the future if Odumbo would get off his ass and champion it. He could have replaced every power plant in America with them for the amount of money he blew on the “stimulus”. He could have had a real legacy. He isn’t interested in real green power. He is interested in reducing the living standard of the people of the United States, a job at which he excells like no other.


  3. Guggi
    3 | May 11, 2011 9:09 am

    Or the Scottish study:

    The economic candle in the U.K. is being blown out by wind power. The Verso study finds that after the annual diversion of some 330 million British pounds from the rest of the U.K. economy, the result has been the destruction of 3.7 jobs for every “green” job created.

    The study concludes that the “policy to promote renewable energy in the U.K. has an opportunity cost of 10,000 direct jobs in 2009-10 and 1,200 jobs in Scotland.” So British taxpayers, as is the case here in the U.S., are being forced to subsidize a net loss of jobs in a struggling economy.


  4. 4 | May 11, 2011 9:10 am

    @ Speranza:

    He wants to enrich his fellow 3rd World Liberation thug.


  5. 5 | May 11, 2011 9:13 am

    @ Guggi:

    the result has been the destruction of 3.7 jobs for every “green” job created.

    Obama sees that as good results. Progress! His goal is a lowering of the living standard, and the more people out of work, the lower the living standard for all of us goes. Nobody makes money on unemployment, but the Democrats see votes to be garnered if the number of chronically unemployeed is raised. Look at what they are trying to do to South Carolina and Boeing. It is outrageous and unconscionable.


  6. 6 | May 11, 2011 9:13 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    That could be the answer to many of our problems.


  7. 7 | May 11, 2011 9:16 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Hey when your opposition are Eunuchs, you can get away with it.


  8. Guggi
    8 | May 11, 2011 9:17 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    but the Democrats see votes to be garnered if the number of chronically unemployeed is raised.

    We European are used to this. :-(


  9. 9 | May 11, 2011 9:20 am

    Bad News.

    AP-Gfk poll: Obama approval hits 60 percent

    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama’s approval rating has hit its highest point in two years — 60 percent — and more than half of Americans now say he deserves to be re-elected, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll taken after U.S. forces killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

    In worrisome signs for Republicans, the president’s standing improved not just on foreign policy but also on the economy, and independent Americans — a key voting bloc in the November 2012 presidential election — caused the overall uptick in support by sliding back to Obama after fleeing for much of the past two years.


  10. 10 | May 11, 2011 9:21 am

    @ Guggi:

    I guess we are joining the club!


  11. Guggi
    11 | May 11, 2011 9:26 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    I guess we are joining the club!

    Yup and with your gas-prizes and your “reformed” health insurance you become more and more “European”. Welcome to the welfare jungle !

    *ätsch” ;-)


  12. 12 | May 11, 2011 9:31 am

    @ Guggi:

    That has been the Democrat’s goal since 1933. The only reason we are behind you on the path to oblivion is Ronald Reagan. Obama is making up with it. Look at what he has done for the deficit. Greece must surely be envious.


  13. 13 | May 11, 2011 9:33 am

    Just google Ontario and wind farms to see what green energy initiatives are doing up here.


  14. 14 | May 11, 2011 9:33 am

    NJ State Police “Outraged” Over Rapper Invite to White House

    The invitation of rapper Common to the White House this week is drawing the ire of the union representing New Jersey state police.

    While even casual hip-hop fans wouldn’t characterize him as a controversial rapper, Common found himself under the microscope after First Lady Michelle Obama invited him to the White House for an arts event. In question: the lyrics to “A Song for Assata,” about convicted cop-killer and former Black Panther Assata Shakur.

    FOX News and Sarah Palin condemned the decision after the Daily Caller published some of Common’s lyrics, including some that criticize former President George W. Bush.

    For New Jersey police, the outrage centers on “A Song for Assata” lyrics like “Your power and pride is beautiful. May God bless your soul.”

    Assata Shakur is dead rapper Tupac Shaku’s aunt.


  15. Guggi
    15 | May 11, 2011 9:34 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Look at what he has done for the deficit. Greece must surely be envious.

    Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch’entrate!

    (Dante Alighieri; Canto III, line 9)


  16. 17 | May 11, 2011 9:35 am

    @ Guggi:

    What can one do!


  17. Guggi
    18 | May 11, 2011 9:43 am

    @ huckfunn:

    He always was a Marxist even at his time as a Jesuit monk.


  18. Guggi
    19 | May 11, 2011 9:45 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    What can one do!

    hope and change it around ? ;-)


  19. huckfunn
    20 | May 11, 2011 9:45 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Bad News.

    AP-Gfk poll: Obama approval hits 60 percent

    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama’s approval rating has hit its highest point in two years — 60 percent — and more than half of Americans now say he deserves to be re-elected, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll taken after U.S. forces killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

    In worrisome signs for Republicans, the president’s standing improved not just on foreign policy but also on the economy, and independent Americans — a key voting bloc in the November 2012 presidential election — caused the overall uptick in support by sliding back to Obama after fleeing for much of the past two years.

    Rasmussen has a different take: BO-hole disapproval rating at -12


  20. 22 | May 11, 2011 9:48 am

    @ Rodan:

    There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Polls are all three.


  21. 23 | May 11, 2011 9:49 am

    @ Guggi:

    This is a direct result of Obama’s assault on domestic production. HE wants us dependant on imports. Then they can become a cudgel to beat us into submission with when we get “out of line”.


  22. chickadee
    24 | May 11, 2011 9:51 am

    I bet Bernie Madoff is pissed that he didn’t work his scam as a Green initiative.
    He wouldn’t be rotting in jail now. He could have stolen so much money under the green energy ponzi scheme and be living like albore. Traipsing the world in style, giving lectures, raking in the cash, eating all he wanted, keeping the thermostat where he likes it and getting his second chakra ‘released’ by an attractive female massage therapist instead of a big burly inmate.


  23. 25 | May 11, 2011 9:52 am

    @ huckfunn:

    I hope that’s more accurate. This economy is good meme is such a lie.


  24. 26 | May 11, 2011 9:57 am

    @ Rodan:

    Nobody who is honest and aware thinks the economy is good. There may be debate about how bad it is (I call it Great Depression II), but everyone who is honest agrees it is bad.


  25. 27 | May 11, 2011 9:58 am

    @ huckfunn:
    @ Rodan:

    The sample data from AP is just plain rediculous. In order to get the number to 60%, they had to cut the Republican representation in the sample to 18%. The midterm turnout on a national level had the Republican representation almost even with the number of people who identified themselves as being Democrats. The most generous statement which can be made about the AP poll is that it is dishonest.


  26. 28 | May 11, 2011 9:59 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    It’s funny no one is mentioning the wage of the average job created is 9 an hour and mostly fast food and retail. This needs to be hammered but everyone is silent.


  27. citizen_q
    29 | May 11, 2011 10:00 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    I hope that’s more accurate. This economy is good meme is such a lie.

    Allowed spouse 1.0 control of the remote when we got back from our Cape May birding trip, and suffered through abc news.

    I learned a lot. Apparently the nationalization of GM was a good thing. They have almost paid back half of the money us taxpayers were forced to invest and soon they will be hiring gobs of union workers back.

    Oh happy day. We’re the government and we are here to help. This worked out so swimmingly we should try it elsewhere.

    /

    No mention about who or how those pesky pensions will be funded though.


  28. chickadee
    30 | May 11, 2011 10:00 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    Bad News.

    AP-Gfk poll: Obama approval hits 60 percent

    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama’s approval rating has hit its highest point in two years — 60 percent — and more than half of Americans now say he deserves to be re-elected, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll taken after U.S. forces killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

    In worrisome signs for Republicans, the president’s standing improved not just on foreign policy but also on the economy, and independent Americans — a key voting bloc in the November 2012 presidential election — caused the overall uptick in support by sliding back to Obama after fleeing for much of the past two years.

    Rasmussen has a different take: BO-hole disapproval rating at -12

    LOL
    What good news.
    He was -9 yesterday.
    There is no bounce for zero from the Navy Seals take down of obl.
    In fact zero’s internal polls are really bad. He is running scared.
    I don’t believe a word of the gushing mfm and prog machine that is fawning over the skank-n-chief, and proclaiming he is ‘unbeatable.’ LOL
    The rock star totus is losing his luster from over exposure, He is, off prompter running his mouth too much. He is sounding less and less Presidential. More and more like a grifter who conned his way into the WH.


  29. 31 | May 11, 2011 10:00 am

    @ Flyovercountry:

    18% Republicans? That’s BS! I have seen that the Dems and GOP are even in voter identification. No wonder it’s at 60%.


  30. huckfunn
    32 | May 11, 2011 10:01 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    I hope that’s more accurate. This economy is good meme is such a lie.

    Rasmussen proved to be the most accurate pollster in the last 2 presidential elections. No surprise here, but everything Zer0 said yesterday in El Paso was a dead flat lie. He flew from El Paso to Austin and asked Gov. Perry to meet him. Rick begged out because he was busy cleaning out his garage or something important.


  31. 33 | May 11, 2011 10:04 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    , but everyone who is honest agrees it is bad.

    Well that certainly explains why the democrat and the Fifth Column Treasonous Media keep claiming it is recovering.


  32. 34 | May 11, 2011 10:07 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    Rick begged out because he was busy cleaning out his garage or something important.

    Probably cleaning his toe nails. :twisted:


  33. citizen_q
    35 | May 11, 2011 10:10 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    , but everyone who is honest agrees it is bad.

    Well that certainly explains why the democrat and the Fifth Column Treasonous Media keep claiming it is recovering.

    I took a marketing class in college, where the professor stated that “perception is reality”.

    [crude comment withheld]


  34. chickadee
    36 | May 11, 2011 10:10 am

    It is interesting to watch him get wound up when he goes off prompter.
    We get a clear insight into who he is. His anger and frustration escalates. We are seeing the real zero when he is off prompter and fired up by a crowd.
    That b.s. he spewed in El Paso abt. the border was so obnoxious. Lots of good material there for us to use against him in the campaign. That part abt. the “moats and alligators,” really shows you what a rabid race baiter he is. And the lies abt. how the border is now better protected than ever.

    He needs to go to Arizona and tell them how well their border is being protected.


  35. huckfunn
    37 | May 11, 2011 10:11 am

    @ Flyovercountry:
    @ chickadee:
    Rasmussen had O-dawg at -11 on Sunday, May 1 when they announced that UBL was wacked. Today he’s -12. Wow! what a bounce!


  36. Nevergiveup
    38 | May 11, 2011 10:12 am

    Navy Halts Move to Allow Gay Marriages by Chaplains After Complaints From Lawmakers

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/11/navy-halts-allow-gay-unions-chaplains-complaints-lawmakers/#ixzz1M3Lxw4dm

    The idiots in the Navy who approved this in the first place should have their heads examined


  37. huckfunn
    39 | May 11, 2011 10:13 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    Rick begged out because he was busy cleaning out his garage or something important.

    Probably cleaning his toe nails.

    Also, something about rearranging his sock drawer.


  38. 40 | May 11, 2011 10:15 am

    @ Rodan:

    Yeah, the underemployement problem is a whole other thing. People have lost good, decent paying jobs, and if they can find work it is temporary or part-time, and it pays less. This lowers the general standard of living in this country and drags down our GDP. As the Democrats want. A prosperous and free America doesn’t need a big government.


  39. huckfunn
    41 | May 11, 2011 10:15 am

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    The idiots in the Navy who approved this in the first place should have their heads examined

    They should be tied across a gun and given a traditional naval flogging.


  40. 42 | May 11, 2011 10:16 am

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Navy Halts Move to Allow Gay Marriages by Chaplains After Complaints From Lawmakers
    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/11/navy-halts-allow-gay-unions-chaplains-complaints-lawmakers/#ixzz1M3Lxw4dm
    The idiots in the Navy who approved this in the first place should have their heads examined

    Actually, I’m thinking Adm. Mullen is in serious need of a good old fashioned Keelhauling. It would be a fitting final act for the USS Enterprise.


  41. 43 | May 11, 2011 10:17 am

    @ huckfunn:

    Yeah, Haslem was asked to go to the thing at Ft.Campbell the other day and he had an important strawberry festival to be at instead! :P


  42. 44 | May 11, 2011 10:17 am

    @ huckfunn:

    Rick didn’t go because Obama would Demagogue him right to his face.


  43. 45 | May 11, 2011 10:18 am

    @ Nevergiveup:

    They are trying to get back to the Old British Navy way of things: rum, sodomy, and the Lash! The San Franscisco Democrats will be beside themselves in extacy! 8O


  44. Buckeye Abroad
    46 | May 11, 2011 10:19 am

    20. huckfunn

    CNN International was beeming the same thing-- “60% approval rating.” Made me ask which poll, but they never mentioned that.


  45. citizen_q
    47 | May 11, 2011 10:19 am

    President to Renew Muslim Outreach

    WASHINGTON—President Barack Obama is preparing a fresh outreach to the Muslim world in coming days, senior U.S. officials say, one that will ask those in the Middle East and beyond to reject Islamic militancy in the wake of Osama bin Laden’s death and embrace a new era of relations with the U.S.

    Mr. Obama is preparing to deliver that message in a wide-ranging speech, perhaps as early as next week, these officials say. The president intends to argue that bin Laden’s death, paired with popular uprisings sweeping North Africa and the Middle East, signal that the time has come to an end when al Qaeda could claim to speak for Muslim aspirations.

    “It’s an interesting coincidence of timing—that he is killed at the same time that you have a model emerging in the region of change that is completely the opposite of bin Laden’s model,” Ben Rhodes, deputy national security adviser at the White House, said in an interview.

    Talk about being willfully blind.


  46. 48 | May 11, 2011 10:19 am

    @ huckfunn:

    Dead cat bounce.

    (Poor kitteh)


  47. citizen_q
    49 | May 11, 2011 10:21 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    They are trying to get back to the Old British Navy way of things: rum, sodomy, and the Lash! The San Franscisco Democrats will be beside themselves in extacy!

    I am sure the world will now be quaking in their boots at the prospect of being opposed by the Village People.

    /


  48. chickadee
    50 | May 11, 2011 10:21 am

    @ huckfunn:
    That’s what I’m talking abt.
    He is not getting a bounce at all from the Navy Seals heroic action.
    In fact it is working against him because of the way he is trying to take credit for the mission.
    It is so vulgar the way he has tried to turn himself into a hero.
    So un-America, so unbecoming, so cowardly, so desperate.
    He is a valor thief.
    People are shaking their heads in disbelief at this crazy buffoon.


  49. huckfunn
    51 | May 11, 2011 10:23 am

    I gotta go earn my keep.

    Later…


  50. Nevergiveup
    52 | May 11, 2011 10:25 am

    @ citizen_q:
    Although I very little good to say about the despots who are being swept from power in the Middle East, the one thing I can say is that they were/are responsible for denying certain extremest groups like Al Quada and Hamas and Hexbellah from taking over power. Now that they are being removed, be careful what you wished for, because the Dam is breaking and it will sweep away all before it. To bad we have a moron and history idiot in the White House during these monumental days.


  51. 53 | May 11, 2011 10:28 am

    Obama sure is pissed at Paki-land:

    John Kerry headed to Pakistan

    Sen. John Kerry is headed to Pakistan in hopes of mending relations with the government that have become increasingly frayed since the U.S. raid over the last week.

    Kerry will be the first U.S. official to visit the country since the raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound.

    The Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman said Tuesday that he plans to meet with “all the main players” in Pakistan. “A number of people suggested it would be good to get a dialogue going about the aftermath, and how we get on the right track,” he said, Reuters and AFP reported.

    Putting our best foot forward. Not! :roll:


  52. citizen_q
    54 | May 11, 2011 10:32 am

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    Although I very little good to say about the despots who are being swept from power in the Middle East, the one thing I can say is that they were/are responsible for denying certain extremest groups like Al Quada and Hamas and Hexbellah from taking over power. Now that they are being removed, be careful what you wished for, because the Dam is breaking and it will sweep away all before it. To bad we have a moron and history idiot in the White House during these monumental days.

    Exactly.

    Look how wonderfully things are going in egypt for example. Increased muslim attacks on Christians. The unity of the slow and fast jihadists, hamass and fat-ah. Talk of ignoring the “peace” treaty with Israel, if Israel dares to defend itself.

    Everything is rosy if you are willfully blind.


  53. Nevergiveup
    55 | May 11, 2011 10:35 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    Everything is rosy if you are willfully blind.

    Yup. Just like it was in Nazi Germany in the 1930s


  54. 56 | May 11, 2011 10:39 am

    @ citizen_q:

    The Muslim Brotherhood, AL-Qaeda’s daddy is behind this.


  55. 57 | May 11, 2011 10:39 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    Everything is rosy if you are willfully blind.

    Or if you are an enemy of Israel and the United States. I don’t think Obama is willfully blind.


  56. 58 | May 11, 2011 10:40 am

    @ Nevergiveup:

    The same clowns were singing the praises of a Socialist named Adolph Hitler.


  57. 59 | May 11, 2011 10:43 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Obama is 3rd World Liberation. He wants Islam to rise. It’s his ally.


  58. Nevergiveup
    60 | May 11, 2011 10:44 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    The same clowns were singing the praises of a Socialist named Adolph Hitler.

    I was NOT trying to compare obama to hitler, just that people see what they want to see in the international arena


  59. Nevergiveup
    61 | May 11, 2011 10:44 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    Obama is 3rd World Liberation. He wants Islam to rise. It’s his ally.

    Obama is such a moron, he does not even understand the consequences of the rise of islam


  60. citizen_q
    62 | May 11, 2011 10:48 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I guess that I was being too kind. Still mellow after my long weekend getaway. :-)


  61. chickadee
    63 | May 11, 2011 10:52 am

    @ citizen_q:
    I was talking to some ‘willfully blind’ fools yesterday.
    They have so much vested in believing that the m.e. uprisings are abt. Freedom and Democracy. They must be so petrified of the alternative possibility they can’t even consider it.
    I told them to look at Iran. The strongest evil took over there. All the people were crushed who wanted any kind of freedom that didn’t entail being dominated by islam.
    Imagine all the m.e ruled by mad mullahs. Right now, they are ascending to power and in Libya we are arming them in their struggle to take over.


  62. Speranza
    64 | May 11, 2011 10:59 am

    @ chickadee:
    Anyone who thinks that the “uprisings” are about democracy is willfully blind and/or ignorant. Those uprisings are for the freedom to choose the tyranny that they want to live under.


  63. Speranza
    65 | May 11, 2011 11:01 am

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Obama is such a moron, he does not even understand the consequences of the rise of islam

    Dontcha know he’s the smartest guy in the room? Chwissy Matthews and Sgt. Schultz told me so.


  64. Speranza
    66 | May 11, 2011 11:02 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    I guess Kerry will make a stop over in Damascus to pay homage to his favorite Arab thug, Bashar Assad the head of the Assad Crime Family.


  65. Speranza
    67 | May 11, 2011 11:02 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    The same clowns were singing the praises of a Socialist named Adolph Hitler.

    It is Adolf not Adolph.


  66. 68 | May 11, 2011 11:05 am

    BTW Huck, I don’t know if anybody else stated this yet, but great post! Every time I listen to some boob parrot the green economy meme talking points it fills me with the urge to vommit. If there were even the slightest glimmerings of truth to it, the free market system would have made it happen long ago. Central Planning has never succeeded at anything other than the mass starvation of the citizenry involved. That Barack Obama tried to tie this in with our Sputnik moment would be hillarious were he not our President. Scary is the appropriate adjective now.


  67. citizen_q
    69 | May 11, 2011 11:06 am

    @ chickadee:
    I think there is a toxic mix at play.

    As IF noted, there are those, I would say most who know what is going on and approve. Then there are the useful idiots, willfully blind idealogues, and the lazy who believe and take at face value what they are spoon-fed by the MFM.


  68. citizen_q
    70 | May 11, 2011 11:09 am

    Speranza wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I guess Kerry will make a stop over in Damascus to pay homage to his favorite Arab thug, Bashar Assad the head of the Assad Crime Family.

    I can’t tell you how bursting with pride as an American I am that such an august personage as jfk is giving this matter his personal attention.

    We need not waste another thought on our friends the pock-e-stanians.

    /


  69. 71 | May 11, 2011 11:17 am

    @ Nevergiveup:

    No, I was talking about how the Left was fawning over the rise of Hitler. The Left is fawning over teh rise of the Muslim Brotherhood. That’s what I was getting at.


  70. 72 | May 11, 2011 11:20 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Flyovercountry:
    18% Republicans? That’s BS! I have seen that the Dems and GOP are even in voter identification. No wonder it’s at 60%.

    I have a new scathing blog post on this…

    Associated Press Release: Hey, we’re big fat liars, and we can prove it.


  71. 73 | May 11, 2011 11:35 am

    New Thread!


  72. lobo91
    74 | May 11, 2011 1:32 pm

    @ chickadee:

    He didn’t randomly choose El Paso as the location for that speech, either.

    Not only is it a major Dem stronghold, despite the lies put forth by the MSM, but it’s also one of the places where the border actually is under control.

    If you go down there at night, it looks like what the border between East and West Germany looked like at the height of the Cold War. There’s a huge fence, it’s lit up like a prison, and there’s a Border Patrol SUV parked about every 100 yards.

    Nobody crosses the border in El Paso anymore.

    A lot of the border in southern California is similar.

    That’s why so many people cross in Arizona these days. It’s the only place they can easily get across.


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