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March of the Pigs? Awaiting Updates…

by 1389AD ( 72 Comments › )
Filed under Food and Drink, France, Free Speech, Humor, Open thread, Sharia (Islamic Law) at May 15th, 2011 - 4:00 pm

Small pink pig

I am still awaiting updates on the counterjihad “March of the Pigs” that had been planned for Lyon, France on May 14, 2011.

Here is what I found on the Marche des cochons website:

Rassemblement pour la liberté autorisé, une victoire pour les Identitaires!

Après 48 heures de réflexion, la préfecture du Rhône vient d’autoriser la manifestation identitaire « rassemblement pour la liberté » de samedi prochain 14 mai. Cette autorisation vient d’être notifiée suite à une rencontre en Préfecture entre les services de l’Etat et les organisateurs.

Il s’agit d’une véritable victoire politique. Après son ubuesque interdiction de la « Marche des cochons » de la semaine dernière, l’Etat a donc reculé. Il est vrai qu’il lui était difficile d’interdire un rassemblement pacifique pour la défense de la liberté d’expression. Ce d’autant plus qu’il n’a pas une seconde envisagé d’interdire la contre-manifestation des nervis d’extrême-gauche qui, depuis des semaines, appellent à la violence physique sur leurs sites internet à l’encontre des militants identitaires ou patriotes. Une contre-manifestation qui sera sous surveillance policière à environ 4 kms du rassemblement identitaire.

Le Bloc Identitaire se félicite de cette décision, conforme à la démocratie et aux droits des gens. Il remercie l’ensemble de ses opposants et notamment les élus socialistes et Verts de la municipalité lyonnaise qui, depuis quinze jours, par leur battage médiatique hostile, ont servi d’attaché de presse, ô combien efficaces, du mouvement identitaire. Toute peine méritant salaire, le Bloc Identitaire leur adressera prochainement, à titre amical, le programme de leur candidat à l’élection présidentielle, Arnaud Gouillon. Ils découvriront sans doute alors avec surprise, loin des clichés et des caricatures, les propositions du Bloc identitaire en matière d’environnement, de rapports nord-sud ou de construction européenne.

Après cette première victoire, le Bloc Identitaire et Rebeyne! appellent tous les Lyonnais et habitants de la région, à transformer l’essai et à venir participer à ce Rassemblement pour la Liberté, samedi à 14 h 30, place St-Jean à Lyon.

Face à toutes les menaces, à tous les abandons, l’espoir doit renaitre : Lyon sera toujours la capitale de la résistance!

Translated into English via Google:

Freedom rally authorized a victory for Identitaires!

After 48 hours of reflection, the prefecture of the Rhone has cleared the event identity “freedom rally” next Saturday May 14 This authority has been notified following a meeting in the Prefecture between state departments and organizers.

This is a real political victory. After his grotesque prohibition of “March of Pigs” last week, the state has declined. It is true that it was difficult to ban a peaceful rally for freedom of expression. Especially since he has not considered one second-demonstration against the banning of left-wing thugs who, for weeks, calling for physical violence on their websites against activists identity or patriots. An event-cons who will be under police surveillance at about 4 kms from the gathering of identity.

Block Identity welcomes this decision, consistent with democracy and human rights of people. He thanked all his opponents including the Socialists and Greens elected to the City of Lyon, who last fortnight, by their hostile media coverage, served as press secretary, oh so effective, the identity movement. Any punishment worthy salary, Identity Bloc send them soon, as friendly, the program of their presidential candidate, Arnaud Gouin. They then discover perhaps surprisingly, far from the stereotypes and caricatures, the proposals of the identity block in the environment, North-South relations or European integration.

After this first victory, the Bloc and Identity Rebeyne! Lyonnais and call all people of the region, transforming the test and come participate in this Rally for Freedom, 14 am Saturday at 30, Place St-Jean in Lyon.

Address all threats, all withdrawals must hope reborn: Lyon will always be the capital of the resistance!

It appears as though the rally was scheduled to go ahead after all. I was unable to find any videos or news coverage of the rally itself. If you are aware of any, please contact me at 1389 Blog.

In any event, I have chosen to honor at least the efforts, and hopefully also the success, of these counterjihad marchers with a decidedly non-halal culinary effort of my own:

Fatwa-Worthy Pasta Sauce (4 Servings)

1 lb. hot Italian pork sausage (remove sausage casings, or buy sausage meat without casings)
1 medium-sized onion, chopped
4 cloves garlic, chopped
Olive oil (or sunflower oil)
1 carton fresh mushrooms (or 1 can sliced mushrooms)
28 oz. (or more) tomato puree
8 oz. dry red wine
1 bay leaf
1/4 tsp. fennel
1/2 tsp. crushed red pepper
1/4 tsp. black pepper
1 tsp. parsley
1 tsp. chopped chives
1 tsp. oregano
1 tsp. basil
1 bay leaf

Brown the onions, garlic, sausage, fennel, and red pepper flakes in a frying pan with the oil. If you are using fresh mushrooms, slice them and add them to the sausage mixture. Do not overcook the sausage.

Put the sausage mixture and all remaining ingredients into a large saucepan and mix well. Bring to a boil, then simmer for 30 minutes, stirring occasionally. Discard bay leaf before serving.

This sauce can be used with just about any type of pasta, including lasagna.

The sauce requires no added salt, because the sausage meat contains enough salt to flavor the entire dish. The dry red wine adds just the right degree of tartness, without any need for vinegar or sugar.

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  1. 1 | May 15, 2011 4:29 pm

    Ah, this thread has reappeared! So, now to my suggestion, which went into The Void when the thread vanished a bit ago…

    Lose the fennel (IMHO.) And work in at least a small can of diced or crushed tomatos. That latter might required some reducing or addition of tomato paste or both to maintain consistency, though. Pasta sauces need to cook a good while anyway. Your results may vary, but then, you get to sample every so often, so how bad can that be?

    Sugar is for dessert, not pasta sauce.


  2. 2 | May 15, 2011 4:32 pm

    Oh, and use olive oil, not anything else. You’re cooking, so just use the light, not the virgin. The virgin is for salads and such. Actually, with the usual sausage, you probably won’t need the oil at all.


  3. yenta-fada
    3 | May 15, 2011 4:33 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Sugar (I use vermouth) helps counter the acidity of the tomato. For me anyways. :-)


  4. coldwarrior
    4 | May 15, 2011 4:37 pm

    @ Mike C.:
    @ Mike C.:

    agreed


  5. coldwarrior
    5 | May 15, 2011 4:37 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    acidity in taste? then sugar will help

    acid as in heartburn, sugar will not help. baking soda will


  6. coldwarrior
    6 | May 15, 2011 4:43 pm

    the old right of the boat italian na-na’s where i grew up all had large tomato gardens, every fall was the mass tomato sauce canning effort…thousands of jars! the entire side of town smelled like cooking tomatos.

    the old off the boat grampa’s all had grape vines…they made jelly! NOT! they made ‘dego red’…good stuff.


  7. 7 | May 15, 2011 4:47 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Sugar (I use vermouth) helps counter the acidity of the tomato. For me anyways.

    Actually, from several people who never used to be able to eat tomato-based pasta sauces, I hear that baking soda (powder? Whichever) is the ONLY way to solve that problem. I have read very specific instructions, but since the acidity was never a problem to me or mine, I never tried it. There’s a couple of hard-core advocates of this obvious solution over at GCP if you care to try them. NOt trying to blog-pimp or anything, but that’s where I was exposed to this idea. Member “EW1(SG)” was the most knowledgeable on this, IIRC. There’s a bit of a technique to getting it right, apparently, but then you don’t wind up sweetening the sauce, either.


  8. yenta-fada
    8 | May 15, 2011 4:50 pm

    @1389 two hours ago

    http://www.lepost.fr/article/2011/05/15/2495714_lyon-apres-un-rassemblement-des-groupuscules-d-extreme-droite-provoquent-une-rixe.html

    You really don’t want my French translation. lol


  9. yenta-fada
    9 | May 15, 2011 4:51 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Very interesting. Thanks.


  10. coldwarrior
    10 | May 15, 2011 4:52 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    baking soda is usually just bicarb of soda

    baking powder is cornstarch, sodium bicarb, and sodium aluminum slfate…


  11. John Difool
    11 | May 15, 2011 4:55 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Oh I insist,give us the English translation please.


  12. 12 | May 15, 2011 4:57 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Yeah, baking soda is probably the correct answer, but like I said, I don’t use that methodolgy, so I’m not certain. You shouldn’t need cornstarch in a pasta sauce, that for certain.

    Oh, and instead of a can of crushed or diced tomatos, one can always add in some fresh tomatos diced by hand. I usually use Roma tomatos for that (and for pica de gaillo/salsa mexicana) because they’re easier for me to dice than the bigger ones.


  13. coldwarrior
    13 | May 15, 2011 5:01 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    roma’s are also the top tomato for sauce


  14. yenta-fada
    14 | May 15, 2011 5:02 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Oh I insist,give us the English translation please.

    Depuis plusieurs mois, les jeunes identitaires avaient manifesté leur intention d’organiser le 14 mai une “marche des cochons” pour protester contre “l’expansion du marché de la viande halal” et “l’islamisation de la France”.

    After some months, the youth ‘identity movement’ showed their intention to organize a May 14 ‘march of the pigs’ in order to protest against the growth of ‘halal meat’ and the Islamization of France.

    (you really want more?)


  15. John Difool
    15 | May 15, 2011 5:02 pm

    Interesting story right here. The president of the Phillipines and his staff proudly pose on the deck of the U.S.S. Carl Vinson. The ship that buried Bin-Laden. That’s really gonna leave a mark with the A-Q sympathizers that dot some of their smaller islands.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_philippines_bin_laden


  16. John Difool
    16 | May 15, 2011 5:03 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    So I take it they backed off and didn’t have the march then?


  17. coldwarrior
    17 | May 15, 2011 5:05 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Interesting story right here. The president of the Phillipines and his staff proudly pose on the deck of the U.S.S. Carl Vinson. The ship that buried Bin-Laden. That’s really gonna leave a mark with the A-Q sympathizers that dot some of their smaller islands.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_philippines_bin_laden

    perhaps it is a message of warning to the milf?


  18. vagabond trader
    18 | May 15, 2011 5:06 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Try a grated carrot or two. An Italian lady taught me that one,works like a charm and the carrot disappears.


  19. yenta-fada
    19 | May 15, 2011 5:07 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    So I take it they backed off and didn’t have the march then?

    Nope. They had the march with a police presence of 400. As here, the police are always around to protect the Muslims.


  20. coldwarrior
    20 | May 15, 2011 5:08 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Try a grated carrot or two. An Italian lady taught me that one,works like a charm and the carrot disappears.

    a packet or two of freeze dried instant coffee works as well.

    from what i am reading, the baking soda method is very exacting and can easily ruin your sauce


  21. John Difool
    21 | May 15, 2011 5:09 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    So what happened? I’ve been searching for video all day, but so far nothing. Of course I know YouTube will yank anything off in a matter of minutes that offends muzzies.


  22. yenta-fada
    22 | May 15, 2011 5:09 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Try a grated carrot or two. An Italian lady taught me that one,works like a charm and the carrot disappears.

    That’s very clever. The carrots would just melt. I had an Italian boyfriend about a century ago who said that in his house, if the pasta sauce showed bubbles, they threw it out. lol


  23. yenta-fada
    23 | May 15, 2011 5:12 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    So what happened? I’ve been searching for video all day, but so far nothing. Of course I know YouTube will yank anything off in a matter of minutes that offends muzzies.

    Please use google translate. There was no video.

    Interdite par le préfet, cette marche a été ensuite rebaptisée par ses organisateurs “rassemblement statique pour la liberté d’expression” et déclarée lundi en préfecture.

    Des centaines de sympathisants d’extrême droite, très encadrés par la police, se sont retrouvés sur l’esplanade de la Primatiale Saint-Jean, dans le Vieux Lyon, où avaient été déployés quelque 400 policiers, samedi après-midi à l’appel du Bloc identitaire.et du groupuscule local d’extrême droite Reybenne.

    Selon Le Progrès, le Président du Bloc identitaire, Fabrice Robert, a déclaré dans son discours :
    “L’islamisation est une réalité en France. Des millions de Français la subissent et ils n’en peuvent plus. La résistance est là”. Son auditoire a alors scandé “1ère, 2e génération, nous sommes des mangeurs de cochon” et “Islam, Hors d’Europe” tout en allumant des fumigènes roses.

    Mais à l’appel du collectif lyonnais Vigilance 69, des formations de gauche (PS, Europe Ecologie, MRAP, Planning familial…) d’extrême gauche et de nombreux militants anarchistes arborant foulard noir et drapeau de la Confédération nationale du travail, qui refusent que Lyon devienne “un laboratoire de l’extrême droite”, ont organisé une contre-manifestation qui a rassemblé plusieurs centaines de personnes ce samedi après-midi, réunies derrière la banderole “Riposte au fascisme”. Le mouvement avait dénoncé “la multiplication” des agressions à l’encontre de militants de gauche au cours de ces “deux dernières années”.

    Le rassemblement s’est déroulé dans le calme, et à 17heures il s’est dispersée. La police a effectué 60 à 80 contrôles d’identité parmi les membres de groupuscules d’extrême-droite qui avaient proféré des slogans nazis dans les rues.

    Parmi eux, des membres des Boulogne Boy’s mais aussi du Bunker Korps Lyon, dont les membres sont déjà connus des services de police.Un commerce de kebabs a été vandalisé à proximité du lieu de rassemblement de l’extrême-droite.

    Quelques heures plus tard, “une quinzaine d’individus typés extrême droite, à tendance skinhead” s’en sont pris dans la rue aux clients d’un bar situé sur les pentes de la Croix-Rousse, dans le Ier arrondissement, deux personnes ont été victimes de lègères violences, et l’entrée du bar a été dégradé.

    Selon la police un dépôt de plainte d’un propriétaire de kebab a été fait pour une porte abîmée et trois vitrines ont été “étoilées” dans le Vieux Lyon, après la manifestation. Finalement c’est six personnes qui ont été arrêtées et placées en garde à vue : trois pour dégradations volontaires en réunion et les trois autres pour port d’arme prohibé.

    Une source policière précise que la ville de Lyon n’est pas la seule a avoir des militants anarcho-libertaires, il y en a dans tout la France et notamment dans la ville de Grenoble, dans laquelle on en compte 450 qui sont très mobilisés.

    Sources : Le Progrès,


  24. Guggi
    24 | May 15, 2011 5:12 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    baking soda will

    Everyone who is using baking soda for such an recipe should be executed :-P


  25. vagabond trader
    25 | May 15, 2011 5:12 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Used to do the sugar thing,carrots much better,try it. You can also dice them in if you start your gravy with sauteed onion. :D Baking soda,nah nah nah!


  26. yenta-fada
    26 | May 15, 2011 5:13 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    baking soda will
    Everyone who is using baking soda for such an recipe should be executed

    I hear Mike C. is available for carrying out the sentence. :-)


  27. coldwarrior
    27 | May 15, 2011 5:14 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    baking soda will
    Everyone who is using baking soda for such an recipe should be executed

    i have never used it. i have a cast iron digestive system. i get heartburn maybe once ever two years


  28. lobo91
    28 | May 15, 2011 5:16 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Guggi wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    baking soda will
    Everyone who is using baking soda for such an recipe should be executed
    I hear Mike C. is available for carrying out the sentence.

    I’m available for those who blaspheme against brisket…


  29. vagabond trader
    29 | May 15, 2011 5:18 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Medical trivia:

    Chronic use of sodium bicarb. can lead to an electrolyte imbalance. Low K and elevated NaCl.


  30. Guggi
    30 | May 15, 2011 5:19 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    I hear Mike C. is available for carrying out the sentence.

    :-)

    In this case we’ll help him


  31. coldwarrior
    31 | May 15, 2011 5:21 pm

    vagabond trader wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Medical trivia:
    Chronic use of sodium bicarb. can lead to an electrolyte imbalance. Low K and elevated NaCl.

    hypokalemia…< 3.5 mEq/L….


  32. yenta-fada
    32 | May 15, 2011 5:22 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    I hear Mike C. is available for carrying out the sentence.

    In this case we’ll help him

    Death by Chocolate? :-)


  33. Guggi
    33 | May 15, 2011 5:24 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Death by Chocolate?

    That it is ;-)


  34. John Difool
    34 | May 15, 2011 5:35 pm

    LOL !

    httpv://www.liveleak.com/view?i=af5_1305063271


  35. John Difool
  36. coldwarrior
    37 | May 15, 2011 5:43 pm

    @ Guggi:

    “But today, Norwegians reach far beyond the question of Palestine, and instead of supporting the only real democracy in the Middle East, namely Israel, we blackmail the Israelis in a manner as though we were still in 1939 at the time the socialist Hitler “zieg heil ” was shouted in Norway. For the Nazis were Left Wing, and came out of Germany’s Socialist Labour Party, they were not right-wing. The individuals in the Norwegian politically powerful positions that have pushed for these solely negative attitudes towards Israel for so many years, are responsible for creating a politically-correct hatred towards Jews that has made Norway the most anti-Semitic country in the West.”


  37. lobo91
    38 | May 15, 2011 5:47 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    For the Nazis were Left Wing, and came out of Germany’s Socialist Labour Party, they were not right-wing.

    An unusual bit of honesty…


  38. coldwarrior
    39 | May 15, 2011 5:50 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    For the Nazis were Left Wing, and came out of Germany’s Socialist Labour Party, they were not right-wing.
    An unusual bit of honesty…

    i know!

    my eyes bugged outta my head all cartoon style when i read that!


  39. Guggi
    40 | May 15, 2011 5:56 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    “But today, Norwegians reach far beyond the question of Palestine, and instead of supporting the only real democracy in the Middle East, namely Israel, we blackmail the Israelis in a manner as though we were still in 1939 at the time the socialist Hitler “zieg heil ” was shouted in Norway. For the Nazis were Left Wing, and came out of Germany’s Socialist Labour Party, they were not right-wing. The individuals in the Norwegian politically powerful positions that have pushed for these solely negative attitudes towards Israel for so many years, are responsible for creating a politically-correct hatred towards Jews that has made Norway the most anti-Semitic country in the West.”

    There was never in question that the Nazis (as well as Italian Fascism) was partly socialism. But the other part was right wing and Nationalsocialism as well as Fascism were third way ideologies. Nationalsocialism/Fascism lacks one of the most important parts of socialism : Stamokap (state monopoly capitalism).


  40. RIX
    41 | May 15, 2011 5:59 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    The difference between Hitler & Stalin is that Hitler
    was open about the nationalistic aspect of his leftist
    socialist model.
    Stalin & other Soviet leaders palyed more to the idea
    of the universal socialist man (the Russians were still
    highly nationalistic.)
    Both models were left socialism.


  41. coldwarrior
    42 | May 15, 2011 6:01 pm

    @ Guggi:

    ask 100 educated americans if the nazi’s were a left or right party. a great majority will tell you ‘right wing’ instantly.

    national socialism morphed state monopoly capitalism from the soviet system and while it did not own the means of production in the classic sense, it did control the means of production. it did dictate who built what, how much, who made the profits, who did not, und so weite.


  42. 43 | May 15, 2011 6:04 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    A lot of people on my list for vastly more serious matters.coldwarrior wrote:

    Guggi wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    baking soda will
    Everyone who is using baking soda for such an recipe should be executed
    i have never used it. i have a cast iron digestive system. i get heartburn maybe once ever two years

    Be very, very careful about that, then. I almost never have heartburn, but the last time I thought I did, it was 3 very expensive days in the cardiac care unit and a stent.


  43. John Difool
    44 | May 15, 2011 6:05 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    It’s no different with the GOP. Ask a lot of Americans and they will say the GOP is the party of racism when it was the Democrats who enacted segregationist policies, the Jim Crow Laws, opposed the civil rights movement and let a former Exalted Cyclops be a prominent Senate member of their party for over Fifty years.


  44. coldwarrior
    45 | May 15, 2011 6:07 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Be very, very careful about that, then. I almost never have heartburn, but the last time I thought I did, it was 3 very expensive days in the cardiac care unit and a stent.

    i know all about that, believe me!


  45. 46 | May 15, 2011 6:07 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Sounds like what Obama is trying to do here. It’s 3rd way economics, the foundation of the 3rd World Movement.

    Some things don’t change!


  46. RIX
    47 | May 15, 2011 6:08 pm

    @ Guggi:

    There was never in question that the Nazis (as well as Italian Fascism) was partly socialism. But the other part was right wing and Nationalsocialism as well as Fascism were third way ideologies. Nationalsocialism/Fascism lacks one of the most important parts of socialism : Stamokap (state monopoly capitalism).

    Wasn’t it really variations on the same theme?
    Russia formaly took control of indutry for the
    state, and Hitler mad it clear that industry would
    operate for the greater good of Germany & the Party.
    As an example Krupps manufactured what they were told
    to manufacture.


  47. coldwarrior
    48 | May 15, 2011 6:09 pm

    @ John Difool:

    the goals of communism

    17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

    18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

    19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

    20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

    21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

    22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”


  48. coldwarrior
    49 | May 15, 2011 6:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Sounds like what Obama is trying to do here. It’s 3rd way economics, the foundation of the 3rd World Movement.
    Some things don’t change!

    GE and obama

    krupps and hitler…


  49. mawskrat
    50 | May 15, 2011 6:13 pm

    with only 8 ounces of dry red wine…..
    buy a jug and drink the rest!!!


  50. RIX
    51 | May 15, 2011 6:16 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    GE and obama

    krupps and hitler…

    There was an article in Todays Sunday Chicago Tribune
    about new mayor Rham Emanuel.
    He says that he will use the same Search Firm to fill
    top City positions that they used in the White House
    to find a new CEO for General Motors.
    The government filled a CEO position for a private
    firm, so there ya go.


  51. John Difool
    52 | May 15, 2011 6:19 pm

    @ RIX:

    I suggest he use Media Matters or Huffpo instead. Hell, it’s Chicago so it really won’t make a difference.


  52. Guggi
    53 | May 15, 2011 6:20 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    it did control the means of production. it did dictate who built what, how much, who made the profits, who did not, und so weite.

    Only during the war. If you take this an an evidence then the U.S.A. during the war were also (economical) a Nazi/Fascist state. It is evident that in both ideologies (Nazi/Fascism) some kind of socialism was part of the ideology (Nationalsocialism) but there were no compulsory acquisitions (except for Jews) like in the Soviet Union and farmers weren’t forced to collective farming.


  53. coldwarrior
    54 | May 15, 2011 6:25 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    If you take this an an evidence then the U.S.A. during the war were also (economical) a Nazi/Fascist state.

    not quite. in almost all cases contracts were bidded on for goods that the govt needed.

    see the bantam company. they were unable to produce enough jeeps, then ford bid on the overflow needed.

    the nazi’s did not need to use compulsory acquisition or take over the means of production because they could control the management and owners of the companies quite easily. the end result in russia and germany are more or less the same…govt controls who what where when why and how. there was no bidding on contracts in nazi germany. the orders went straight from the ministry to their favorites/supporters.


  54. RIX
    55 | May 15, 2011 6:26 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I suggest he use Media Matters or Huffpo instead. Hell, it’s Chicago so it really won’t make a difference.

    Emanuel is going to be an interesting mayor is a weird way.
    He has always operated with threats & other intimidations
    & now he really has power.


  55. coldwarrior
    56 | May 15, 2011 6:28 pm

    @ RIX:
    @ RIX:

    that would have been the last straw for me. i would have packed up the truck with pizza’s and italian beef sandwiches and fled chicago


  56. lobo91
    57 | May 15, 2011 6:32 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    not quite. in almost all cases contracts were bidded on for goods that the govt needed.

    see the bantam company. they were unable to produce enough jeeps, then ford bid on the overflow needed.

    And some of the most successful equipment of the war wasn’t designed at the behest of the government in the first place. The struggling Republic Aviation designed and built the prototype of the P-47 on its own, on the hope that the government would buy it. They probably would have gone under if they hadn’t been successful.


  57. John Difool
    58 | May 15, 2011 6:32 pm

    @ RIX:

    He’s like the Jewish version Brick-top from “Snatch”.


  58. coldwarrior
    59 | May 15, 2011 6:40 pm

    MUAMMAR Gaddafi’s prime minister has offered a truce to the visiting UN special envoy to Libya, Abdul-Ilah al-Khatib, in return for an immediate NATO ceasefire, as an anti-regime revolt entered a fourth month.

    The head of Britain’s armed forces, meanwhile, says NATO should widen its bombing campaign to ensure Gaddafi is unable to cling to power, while Pope Benedict XVI has called for negotiations to end the violence.

    Prime Minister Baghdadi Mahmudi, quoted by JANA state news agency on Sunday, said after meeting Khatib that Libya was keen for “an immediate ceasefire to coincide with a stop to the NATO bombardment and the acceptance of international observers.”

    His country, he said, was committed to the unity of its territory and people and Libyans had the right to “decide on their internal affairs and political system through democratic dialogue away from the bombing threat”

    Protests against Gaddafi’s 41-year autocratic rule began on February 15 and quickly escalated into a popular uprising, inspired by revolts in Tunisia and Egypt that toppled their respective hardline rulers.


  59. 60 | May 15, 2011 6:53 pm

    Though I love the whole idea of the March of the Pigs, it is a mere bandaid on what could be described as full truncation and dismemberment of French society [and all else's in Europe] because of their suicidal immigration policies of the last 10 + years or so.


  60. Philip_Daniel
    61 | May 15, 2011 6:55 pm


  61. 62 | May 15, 2011 6:59 pm

    …because of their suicidal immigration policies of the last 10 30 + years or so.

    There – fixed that for you.


  62. Guggi
    63 | May 15, 2011 7:03 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    the nazi’s did not need to use compulsory acquisition or take over the means of production because they could control the management and owners of the companies quite easily.

    Till 1940 the managment as well as the owners resisted the request. Only when Fritz Todt was nominated as Minister of Armaments and War Production the situation changed slightly and dramatically when Albert Speer replaced him 1943.

    The U.S.A. were in a very different position than Germany but they to had to regulate the war economy to some extent


  63. coldwarrior
    64 | May 15, 2011 7:20 pm

    @ Guggi:

    there certainly was some control, and that was to be expected, in a wartime economy in the US. not doing that in the face of such a massive effort would have been insane.

    my point is that in the US, the govt did not take control of the means of production, nor did they place party members/favorites in charge of the companies. the companies were free to manage themselves even if they missed their quotas on quantity and quality.

    the germans and the soviets would design something in the govt war dept and then give it to their favorite factory to make. in the US, our companies designed and built based on a set of specifications from the military. these specs, like for a jeep, would be: 4 wheel drive 4 troop carrying, gasoline engined, all terrain, unarmored, vehicle, top speed Xmph, weight, 1600lbs… and such.


  64. lobo91
    65 | May 15, 2011 7:40 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    in the US, our companies designed and built based on a set of specifications from the military. these specs, like for a jeep, would be: 4 wheel drive 4 troop carrying, gasoline engined, all terrain, unarmored, vehicle, top speed Xmph, weight, 1600lbs… and such.

    And if that company couldn’t build enough of them, they subcontracted other companies to help.

    GM built airplanes. NCR made rifles.


  65. Guggi
    66 | May 15, 2011 7:50 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Similar in Germany till 1940 but it didn’t work any longer b’cause of organizational chaos. One problem was that Germany didn’t have standardized mass production for denfense production. Did you know that the aircraft production between 1939 and 1941 in GB was twice that in Germany ? The consumer industry worked untouched till 1942/1943. And the German Nazis used the industries in the occupied countries. France produced 3.400 aircrafts and 10.000 aircraft engines for Germany’s air force and the French automobile industry produced between 1942 and 1943 52.000 trucks for the “Wehrmacht”.


  66. 67 | May 15, 2011 10:16 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    acidity in taste? then sugar will help
    acid as in heartburn, sugar will not help. baking soda will

    Baking soda mixed into pasta sauce is an abomination unto the Lord.

    If you have problems with heartburn, then don’t eat foods containing tomatoes too close to bedtime. Instead of the baking soda, before you consume tomatoes, take some Tagamet or Zantac or Tums or whatever else they’re selling to counter stomach acid, followed by a visit to a gastroenterologist. One of my uncles died of stomach cancer, so you want to rule out any ulcer/infection that could increase your risk of getting stomach cancer.

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    roma’s are also the top tomato for sauce

    IMO, Roma tomatoes look nice, but they don’t have a strong enough tomato flavor and fragrance for my taste.

    coldwarrior wrote:

    vagabond trader wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Medical trivia:
    Chronic use of sodium bicarb. can lead to an electrolyte imbalance. Low K and elevated NaCl.

    hypokalemia…< 3.5 mEq/L….

    That is because sodium bicarbonate contains sodium and your body tries to eliminate excessive amounts of sodium that you ingest. Along with the sodium, your body ends up eliminating too much of the potassium that you need.

    Bananas, potatoes, and orange juice are good sources of potassium. I’ve heard that most adults in the US eat somewhat less than the optimal level of dietary potassium.


  67. 68 | May 15, 2011 10:38 pm

    RIX wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    @ RIX:
    I suggest he use Media Matters or Huffpo instead. Hell, it’s Chicago so it really won’t make a difference.

    Emanuel is going to be an interesting mayor is a weird way.
    He has always operated with threats & other intimidations
    & now he really has power.

    Sure glad I don’t live there any more. Hope I never have occasion to set foot in Chicago again.

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    ask 100 educated americans if the nazi’s were a left or right party. a great majority will tell you ‘right wing’ instantly.
    national socialism morphed state monopoly capitalism from the soviet system and while it did not own the means of production in the classic sense, it did control the means of production. it did dictate who built what, how much, who made the profits, who did not, und so weite.

    I’ve heard it said that the only real difference between Nazism and Communism is whether their adherents want their socialism national or international. The upshot is much the same – expansionist totalitarianism, mass destruction, and an enormous butchers’ bill.


  68. 69 | May 15, 2011 10:41 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    So what happened? I’ve been searching for video all day, but so far nothing. Of course I know YouTube will yank anything off in a matter of minutes that offends muzzies.
    Please use google translate. There was no video.
    Interdite par le préfet, cette marche a été ensuite rebaptisée par ses organisateurs “rassemblement statique pour la liberté d’expression” et déclarée lundi en préfecture.
    Des centaines de sympathisants d’extrême droite, très encadrés par la police, se sont retrouvés sur l’esplanade de la Primatiale Saint-Jean, dans le Vieux Lyon, où avaient été déployés quelque 400 policiers, samedi après-midi à l’appel du Bloc identitaire.et du groupuscule local d’extrême droite Reybenne.
    Selon Le Progrès, le Président du Bloc identitaire, Fabrice Robert, a déclaré dans son discours :
    “L’islamisation est une réalité en France. Des millions de Français la subissent et ils n’en peuvent plus. La résistance est là”. Son auditoire a alors scandé “1ère, 2e génération, nous sommes des mangeurs de cochon” et “Islam, Hors d’Europe” tout en allumant des fumigènes roses.
    Mais à l’appel du collectif lyonnais Vigilance 69, des formations de gauche (PS, Europe Ecologie, MRAP, Planning familial…) d’extrême gauche et de nombreux militants anarchistes arborant foulard noir et drapeau de la Confédération nationale du travail, qui refusent que Lyon devienne “un laboratoire de l’extrême droite”, ont organisé une contre-manifestation qui a rassemblé plusieurs centaines de personnes ce samedi après-midi, réunies derrière la banderole “Riposte au fascisme”. Le mouvement avait dénoncé “la multiplication” des agressions à l’encontre de militants de gauche au cours de ces “deux dernières années”.
    Le rassemblement s’est déroulé dans le calme, et à 17heures il s’est dispersée. La police a effectué 60 à 80 contrôles d’identité parmi les membres de groupuscules d’extrême-droite qui avaient proféré des slogans nazis dans les rues.
    Parmi eux, des membres des Boulogne Boy’s mais aussi du Bunker Korps Lyon, dont les membres sont déjà connus des services de police.Un commerce de kebabs a été vandalisé à proximité du lieu de rassemblement de l’extrême-droite.
    Quelques heures plus tard, “une quinzaine d’individus typés extrême droite, à tendance skinhead” s’en sont pris dans la rue aux clients d’un bar situé sur les pentes de la Croix-Rousse, dans le Ier arrondissement, deux personnes ont été victimes de lègères violences, et l’entrée du bar a été dégradé.
    Selon la police un dépôt de plainte d’un propriétaire de kebab a été fait pour une porte abîmée et trois vitrines ont été “étoilées” dans le Vieux Lyon, après la manifestation. Finalement c’est six personnes qui ont été arrêtées et placées en garde à vue : trois pour dégradations volontaires en réunion et les trois autres pour port d’arme prohibé.
    Une source policière précise que la ville de Lyon n’est pas la seule a avoir des militants anarcho-libertaires, il y en a dans tout la France et notamment dans la ville de Grenoble, dans laquelle on en compte 450 qui sont très mobilisés.
    Sources : Le Progrès,

    Got a linky?


  69. yenta-fada
    70 | May 15, 2011 11:12 pm

    #8 on this thread has the link. I looked up French newspapers from
    refdesk.com


  70. 71 | May 16, 2011 5:44 am

    [...] Le Progrès, which evidently is a left-wing French newspaper (h/t yenta-fada) comes an article that just barely mentions the rally itself, and focuses all of its attention on [...]


  71. 72 | May 16, 2011 5:50 am

    yenta-fada wrote:

    #8 on this thread has the link. I looked up French newspapers from
    refdesk.com

    Thanks…I also posted it HERE.

    Seems that Le Progrès is pretty much a left-wing rag; it barely mentioned the rally itself, and focused almost entirely on squabbles among counter-protesters afterward.


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