Dr. K. points out as have others, that Obama pretty much has adopted the much derided Bush Doctrine.
by Charles Krauthammer
Herewith President Obama’s Middle East speech , annotated:
“It will be the policy of the United States to promote reform across the region, and to support transitions to democracy.”
With this Barack Obama openly, unreservedly and without a trace of irony or self-reflection adopts the Bush Doctrine, which made the spread of democracy the key U.S. objective in the Middle East.
“Too many leaders in the region tried to direct their people’s grievances elsewhere. The West was blamed as the source of all ills.”
Note how even Obama’s rationale matches Bush’s. Bush argued that because the roots of 9/11 were to be found in the deflected anger of repressed Middle Eastern peoples, our response would require a democratic transformation of the region.
“We have a stake not just in the stability of nations, but in the self-determination of individuals.”
A fine critique of exactly the kind of “realism” the Obama administration prided itself for having practiced in its first two years.
How far did this concession to Bush go? Note Obama’s example of the democratization we’re aiming for. He actually said:
“In Iraq, we see the promise of a multiethnic, multisectarian democracy. There, the Iraqi people have rejected the perils of political violence for a democratic process . . . Iraq is poised to play a key role in the region.”
Hail the Bush-Obama doctrine.
“President Assad now has a choice: he can lead that transition [to democracy], or get out of the way.”
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Syria’s Assad leading a transition to democracy? This is bizarre and appalling. Assad has made all-out war on his people — shooting, arresting, executing, even using artillery against cities. Yet Obama is still holding out the olive branch when, if anything, he should be declaring Assad as illegitimate as Gaddafi. Clearly, some habits
of engagement/appeasement die hard.“A lasting peace will involve . . . Israel as a Jewish state and the homeland for the Jewish people, and the state of Palestine as the homeland for the Palestinian people.”
Meant to reassure Israelis that the administration rejects the so-called right of return of Palestinian refugees. They would return to Palestine, not Israel — Palestine being their homeland, and Israel (which would cease to be Jewish if flooded with refugees) being a Jewish state. But why use code for an issue on which depends Israel’s existence?
“The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps.”
A new formulation favorable to maximal Arab demands. True, that idea has been the working premise for negotiations since 2000. But no president had ever before publicly and explicitly endorsed the 1967 lines.
Even more alarming to Israel is Obama’s omission of previous American assurances to recognize “realities on the ground” in adjusting the 1967 border, meaning U.S. agreement that Israel would incorporate the thickly populated, close-in settlements in any land swap. By omitting this, Obama leaves the impression of indifference to the fate of these settlements. This would be a significant change in U.S. policy and a heavy blow to the Israeli national consensus.
“The Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves . . . in a sovereign and contiguous state.”
Normal U.S. boilerplate except for one thing: Obama refers to Palestinian borders with Egypt, Jordan and Israel. But the only Palestinian territory bordering Egypt is Gaza. How do you get contiguity with Gaza? Does Obama’s map force Israel to give up a corridor of territory connecting the West Bank and Gaza? This is an old Palestinian demand that would cut Israel in two. Is this simply an oversight? Or a new slicing up of Israel?
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Read the rest The news in Obama’s speech
Caroline Glick points out that Obama’s speech yesterday involved nothing less then the abandonment of America’s right to pursue its national interests including its national security. She also feels 9and I agree) that in essence he did Israel a favor by removing all doubts that he is not a friend of theirs. As Mark Levin said in March, Israel should build up as many lethal weapons systems as she can and hope that one day this abomination of a government in D.C. will one day be replaced.
by Caroline Glick
I was out sick yesterday so I was unable to write today’s column for the Jerusalem Post. I did manage to watch President Obama’s speech on the Middle East yesterday evening. And I didn’t want to wait until next week to discuss it. After all, who knows what he’ll do by Tuesday?
Before we get into what the speech means for Israel, it is important to consider what it means for America.
Quite simply, Obama’s speech represents the effective renunciation of the US’s right to have and to pursue national interests. Consequently, his speech imperils the real interests that the US has in the region – first and foremost, the US’s interest in securing its national security.
Obama’s renunciation of the US national interests unfolded as follows:
First, Obama mentioned a number of core US interests in the region. In his view these are: “Countering terrorism and stopping the spread of nuclear weapons; securing the free flow of commerce, and safe-guarding the security of the region; standing up for Israel’s security and pursuing Arab-Israeli peace.”
Then he said, “Yet we must acknowledge that a strategy based solely upon the narrow pursuit of these interests will not fill an empty stomach or allow someone to speak their mind.”
While this is true enough, Obama went on to say that the Arabs have good reason to hate the US and that it is up to the US to put its national interests aside in the interest of making them like America. As he put it, “a failure to change our approach threatens a deepening spiral of division between the United States and Muslim communities.”
And you know what that means. If the US doesn’t end the “spiral of division,” (sounds sort of like “spiral of violence” doesn’t it?), then the Muslims will come after America. So the US better straighten up and fly right.
And how does it do that? Well, by courting the Muslim Brotherhood which spawned Al Qaeda, Hamas, Jamma Islamiya and a number of other terror groups and is allies with Hezbollah.
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And of course, intimations of Obama’s plan to woo and appease the jihadists appear throughout the speech. For instance:
“There will be times when our short term interests do not align perfectly with our long term vision of the region.”
So US short term interests, like for instance preventing terrorist attacks against itself or its interests, will have to be sacrificed for the greater good of bringing the Muslim Brotherhood to power in democratic elections.
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Then there is the way Obama abandoned US allies Yemen and Bahrain in order to show the US’s lack of hypocrisy. As he presented it, the US will not demand from its enemies Syria and Iran that which it doesn’t demand from its friends.
While this sounds fair, it is anything but fair. The fact is that if you don’t distinguish between your allies and your enemies then you betray your allies and side with your enemies. Bahrain and Yemen need US support to survive. Iran and Syria do not. So when he removes US support from the former, his action redounds to the direct benefit of the latter.
I hope the US Navy’s 5th Fleet has found alternate digs because Obama just opened the door for Iran to take over Bahrain. He also invited al Qaeda – which he falsely claimed is a spent force – to take over Yemen.
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AS FOR ISRAEL, in a way, Obama did Israel a favor by giving this speech. By abandoning even a semblance of friendliness, he has told us that we have nothing whatsoever to gain by trying to make him like us. Obama didn’t even say that he would oppose the Palestinians’ plan to get the UN Security Council to pass a resolution in support for Palestinian independence. All he said was that it is a dumb idea.
Obama sided with Hamas against Israel by acting as though its partnership with Fatah is just a little problem that has to be sorted out to reassure the paranoid Jews. Or as he put it, “the recent announcement of an agreement between Fatah and Hamas raises profound and legitimate questions for Israel.”
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As for being untrue, Obama’s speech makes clear that they have no reason to fear a loss of prosperity. After all, by failing to mention that US law bars the US government from funding an entity which includes Hamas, he made clear that the US will continue to bankroll the Hamas-controlled Palestinian Authority. So too, the EU will continue to join the US in giving them billions for bombs and patronage jobs. The Palestinians have nothing to worry about. They will continue to be rewarded regardless of what they do.
The of course there are all the hostile, hateful details of the speech:
He said Israel has to concede its right to defensible borders as a precondition for negotiations;
He didn’t say he opposes the Palestinian demand for open immigration of millions of foreign Arabs into Israel;
He again ignored Bush’s 2004 letter to Sharon opposing a return to the 1949 armistice lines, supporting the large settlements, defensible borders and opposing mass Arab immigration into Israel;
He said he was leaving Jerusalem out but actually brought it in by calling for an Israeli retreat to the 1949 lines;
He called for Israel to be cut in two when he called for the Palestinians state to be contiguous;
He called for Israel to withdraw from the Jordan Valley – without which it is powerless against invasion – by saying that the Palestinian State will have an international border with Jordan.
Conceptually and substantively, Obama abandoned the US alliance with Israel. The rest of his words – security arrangements, demilitarized Palestinian state and the rest of it – were nothing more than filler to please empty-headed liberal Jews in America so they can feel comfortable signing checks for him again.
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All of this means is that if Prime Minister Netanyahu was planning to be nice to Obama, and pretend that everything is terrific with the administration, he should just forget about it. He needn’t attack Obama. Let the Republicans do that.
But both in his speech to AIPAC and his address to Congress, he should very forthrightly tell the truth about the nature of the populist movements in the Middle East, the danger of a nuclear Iran, the Palestinians’ commitment to Israel’s destruction; the lie of the so-called peace process; the importance of standing by allies; and the critical importance of a strong Israel to US national security.
He has nothing to gain and everything to lose by playing by the rules that Obama is trying to set for him.
From Miss Glick’s article
PWNED!
Ah, but with Obama it is a misdirect. Blue fingers of Hamas everywhere across the Mid East
Democracy giving people the choice of one caliphate
waldensianspirit wrote:
Democracy in the Middle East means being able to choose the fascist tyranny you want to live under.
waldensianspirit wrote:
Let’s finish that thought:
“One Caliphate, Under Allah, Indivisible,
With Slavery and Submission for All!”
Heh,we were correct, this is the first time a US potus has referenced these 67 borders. Yeah, it sure as he11 matters and Hussein did not misspeak no matter what he says to soothe the feathers of his foolish Jewish supporters.
vagabond trader wrote:
Yes that is correct that it is the first time IN PUBLIC that a US President has said that. In private is another matter. The more I think about what obama said yesterday the less I understand why he did it. The “preace” talks are going nowhere, and he as much as admitted that. So why throw this gas on the Fire? I think he did not expect this to raise the firestorm it is. And for what reason? I think he miscalculated. And for sure he is no friend of Israel.
@ Nevergiveup:
He is the sh*t stirrer in chief who believes himself to be much smarter than his audience. I pray we disabuse him of that notion in 2012.
@ Nevergiveup:
Oh, I think he DOES know what he is doing. And you all do too: destroying the US of A.
[Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty will seek the Republican nomination for president in 2012, according to an aide]
Macker wrote:
maybe, but I really think these are not real adults running the country and don’t really know the cause and effect of their words and actions and we are all gonna have to pay for that
Guggi wrote:
Yawn
@ Nevergiveup:
Why make such excuses,the left loves to infantilize themselves. Like 40 is the new 20. He is a man pushing 50 years old,well versed in the marxist multicult anti US Jew hating theories and actions of any ivy league or other popular school you can throw a book at.Unfortunately a bunch of enthralled morons fell for his B.S. giving him permission to implement these outlandish social experiments ALL his fellow adult regime hold dear.
Damn, I have to drive 500 miles tomorrow. As if defensive driving isn’t tough already.
Hussein made a huge mistake in naming the starting point of negotiations at the maximum Israel could possibly give. ( Not that they should).
By doing that, this naive bungler of foreign affairs has made the same mistake as when HE decided that Israel had to comply with pre conditions to any talks (settlement construction).
The arabs will now take this starting point and demand ever more that cannot possibly be met by Israel short of all Israelis agreeing to commit suicide.
Obama in his surrender speech yesterday said “one contiguous territory for the Palestinians”. I know he knows the meaning of contiguous. I’m sure he has heard of the black gerrymandered voting districts. He is proposing a corridor straight through the heart if Israel. Wake up 82% ers. If you think you were screwed by Bernie Madoff, bend over and wait for it. You have been had big time.
@ refugee000:
Then there is plausible deniability. He called the UN vote establishing a pali state as foolish yet his words encourage it. Classic obfuscation.
Geez this is a slow day compared to yesterday.
Buffalobob wrote:
America is not contiguous so why should “Palestine”.
@ Speranza:
People are finishing up at work for the week.
vagabond trader wrote:
He is one of the most immature POTUS’s ever.
vagabond trader wrote:
Traffic has been weird on the blog for a while.
@ refugee000:
My unsolicited advice to Netanyahu i sto play “rope-a-dope” with Obama, ball control, and run out the clock until we are all free of Obamaism.
Did you notice that Obama never called for the Palis to recognize Israel as a Jewish state?
@ Speranza:
He didn’t call on them for anything a responsible nation is expected to do.
Wow!
Islands in the stream: The extraordinary homemade dams holding back the Mississippi as desperate residents try to save their homes
I hope they make it
@ vagabond trader:
Typical low expectations imparted to a multi generational welfare family.
@ waldensianspirit:
Me too!
1. Obama does not speak for me now.
2. Obama will never speak for me.
3. Obama has never spoken for me.
vagabond trader wrote:
He is a hard core ideologue incapable of learning anything.
Speranza wrote:
Why would he ask them to do something that he himself finds so offensive?
American children play with Lincoln logs when they are growing up.
Obama played with ideologues.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Obama ia no friend of the Jews and the air head Jewish liberals better wake up.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Franklin Marshall, Rashid Khalidi, Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright all concurring.
Good thing our clown King for a day is not a ski buff.
He and Al Gore could hang around Aspen and do some late spring sking.
But then they would have to know the cold and shun the warming lies.
http://www.arapahoebasin.com/ABasin/snow-conditions/web-cams.aspx
Speranza wrote:
I think it’s partially the new format. Too many posts, headlines and “special reports” competing for people’s attention. That, and people have got their noses to the grindstone trying to keep their jobs…not enough time in the day to visit.
The commie Democrats are on a 100 year lie course.
Well a little off course it seems.
tfk and wife are full with spare time now working to build voter turn out for R for Pres. Nov. 2012. That working in Austin on immigration and voter ID here in Texas.
Many others too are working on this.
We are on the phones working 20 or so states.
Not much time to post here or any where now.
@ The Osprey:
Oh, boy, I am watch/reading another forum regarding the speech yesterday. There is one real wacko posting. This is his latest.
I quite reading at that point. I will not argue with ignorant people.
OT – for you rasslin’ fans, sad news Randy Savage Dead: ‘Macho Man’ Dies In Car Accident
He actually was a minor league teammate of Keith Hernandez in the St. Louis Cardinals farm system.
@ taxfreekiller:
May I ask who you are supporting to replace Kay Bailey Hutchison?
frosty meeting- FOX News
It looks like Netanyahu was going to shake obama’s hand and obama did not offer?
I hate therm Arab Spring? what the fuck does that even mean
Obama is giving his speech again?
@ Nevergiveup:
They’re trying to equate it with Prague.
@ Nevergiveup:
Knowing أوباما, he was likely thinking “Fuck you, Jew Boy.”
Dolphin wrote:
You know what the Muslims really hate? That it is the West that found the oil which is the source of their wealth.
At bottom, they know that the only reason they are not rachitic, verminous nomads living a subsistence life on raw camel milk is because they were shown the way to awesome wealth by people who regard their prophet as a pissant thug. And it eats at them.
@ waldensianspirit:
Wow.
Macker wrote:
Prague Spring? Yeah probably. Good call
Netanyahu is lecturing obama on middle east history– i bet obama is steaming
@ Speranza:
Damn, that’s too bad, he was a colorful character. Heart attack at 58, I’d better start hitting that elliptical machine harder.
You know, back in the day in the early eighties I worked out with the at that time former wrestler Big John Stud a few times. He dropped by the power-lifting gym I worked out at on a few Saturday mornings. Really, really, really nice person. I’m short, and he was so very tall, we could share the same squat rack loaded with a bar for him and a bar for me.
Well Bibi just told obama to go fuck himself
citizen_q wrote:
So many of those guys die from steroids abuse as well.
@ citizen_q:
Funny how so many of the rasslers who used to play villains were really nice guys in person.
@ Dolphin:
Literally thousands of years? Is-lame hasn’t even been around “thousands” of years.
Wonder if dude can walk and chew gum at the same time…
@ Speranza:
Does not surprise me. Remember Lyle Alzado?
@ Nevergiveup:
It means they are trying to put a light spin on the craziness. Spring, like yeah… uhm… with flowers and sunshine!
Gahh.
citizen_q wrote:
Great football player- died of brain tumors secondary to steroid use if I remember
Nevergiveup wrote:
When one Arab terrorist is taken down, another one “springs” up to take his place?
@ Nevergiveup:
I didn’t see the whole photo op – do you really think that Bibi was this harsh to Obama?
Obama did look away immediately after shaking Bibi’s hand.
citizen_q wrote:
I sure do. So many others have also.
@ Nevergiveup:
NICE!!
@ citizen_q:
I’m surprised Savage hasn’t had a heart attack years ago. He was always a lil’ high strung…
oh yeeeeeeeeeaahhh
m wrote:
Are we sure this person doesn’t work at the State Department?
Eliana wrote:
Yes I think it went very poorly. Bibi was lecturing obama on middle east history ( basic history I might add) and obama did NOT look happy. I think they hate each other. And while I thought this was not bif deal yesterday, I have changed my mind and realize obama has again really fucked things up irrepairably just like he did with settlements. And things are bound to get worse. I think we are looking at Intif. 3 coming up
@ m:
From some of his other posts – no! lol.
And then you have the loyal Ron Paulian…
@ NoThreat2U:
Ding ding ding! Girlfriend nailed it.
(Rodan’s grandfather passed away, please send prayers that way)
Go to PJM. Tons of articles there ripping Obiwanasshole a new one over his recent behavior. Some good stuff there.
@ m:
Awwww poor thing. I know how much he loved that man. Prayers heading his way
@ lobo91:
Sadly, that would not surprise me at all.
Since it is Shabbat the Israeli Newspapers online are not really reporting on the meeting in detail yet, but I am sure they will –and it should be interresting
@ Nevergiveup:
Yes, he has.
He essentially told the world that the starting point for negotiations on the Israelis side is something that’s untenable. It can only get worse from there.
Nevergiveup wrote:
My memory of it was that he, I think I saw him say so in an interview, thought the tumor was a result of his steroid use.
Nevergiveup wrote:
If that happens then the Paleostinians are going for 0 and 3!
lobo91 wrote:
And I really think that obama is so ignorant of middle east history that he did not realize what he was doing. he the kids in charged are so inexperienced and blinded by ideology that they thought it was not big deal
Macker wrote:
yeah no doubt but innocent Israelis will still die
@ Nevergiveup:
I also can’t believe how much energy people like the LGF crew are putting into arguing over what, exactly, Obama meant by “1967 borders.”
All that matters is what the Israelis and the Palestinians thought he meant, and they think he meant the borders prior to the war.
Gee some moron women on fox thinks this was a set up to make Bibi look good? She must be a democrat?
@ Nevergiveup:
The big threat to Israel right now is the storming of Israel’s borders – all at the same time.
Israel can keep the bastards out but not without killing some of them (maybe a lot of them). This will be a difficult issue for Israel because the Arabs don’t care if they die. The Arab outrage at their deaths is for western consumption (as if the Arabs cared about dying in this situation) – but really, these individuals are trying to commit suicide.
It’s part of the asymmetrical warfare that Israel is up against.
Personally, I think they should spray the stormers with the truly foul smelling liquid that Israel has used from time to time against protesters.
It’s enough of a stink to make them turn back to find water somewhere to wash it off.
In any case, Obama’s actions have encouraged the Arabs to storm Israel and it’s going to be a rough situation for Israel to handle. Too many Arabs want to die to make Israel look bad.
lobo91 wrote:
Well he did. Everyone knows that ( except maybe those idiots at LGF ) . Look in past negotiations and in private they have ALWAYS talked about the 67 borders with modifications. But a US President has NEVER said that in Public because of the ramifications that follow.
@ Nevergiveup:
One of their liberal stooges, perhaps. Is she wearing a pearl necklace?
This statement sent far greater chills down my spine than his asinine assertion to return to the 1967 borders.
The President of the United States just signaled to the Muslime Brotherhood that an Obama led USA would not defend Israel in an attack.
Nevergiveup wrote:
Did you catch her later bit about Obama being “cerebral” and “a chess player”?
Obama couldn’t win at Chutes and Ladders, much less chess…
Flyovercountry wrote:
Not sure what he meant by that. But another example of why obama is a moron. In the Middle East every word and period matters and Obama just blabbers on incoheerently
@ Nevergiveup:
Exactly. That has come from the state department but never the president. The president
saysused to say “borders negotiated by Israel and the Palestinians”.@ lobo91:
lobo91 wrote:
yeah. So I wasn’t hearing things- she really said that crap!
@ lobo91:
If Obama meant post 1967 borders, he would have said
current borders.
I know that they are all brilliant over at Chuckies
Playhouse, but they miss it here.
Anyone see Bat Guano lately?
m wrote:
Not even sure about that. the State Department usually falls back on UN Resolution 242
@ lobo91:
Obama couldn’t win at Chutes and Ladders, much less chess…
That really really made me ROFL!!!
@ Eliana:
If you put a chess board in front of Obama, he would agonize over which color to choose.
It would be days before the game actually started.
NoThreat2U wrote:
Leia says that he couldn’t figure out how to work her treat ball…
Obama is trying to get the “Palestinians” to the negotiating table by setting an extremely “Palestinian” favored starting position for the borders.
Unfortunately, this leaves Israel with nothing to bring to the negotiating table so there’s really nothing to trade. There’s only Israel being expected to make suicidal concessions.
Not that the “Palestinians” will be willing to go to the negotiating table anyway. In a way, they are saving Israel from Obama by refusing to show up.
Now it all comes down to whether Netanyahu and his government will have the courage to annex Judea and Samaria by September 2011.
I hope they’ll do it.
@ Flyovercountry:
Two words, my friend: Operation Samson. The Arabs had better be careful.
@ Eliana:
Hamas will eff it up any way.
lobo91 wrote:
Bet on black.
Macker wrote:
yeah world wide nuclear holocaust is really something to look forward to ha?
m wrote:
That is why the claim that Obama broke no ground is laughable.
@ lobo91:
So Leia knows the fine art of snark too? What a good doggie!!!
Speranza wrote:
Probably, but not until after a couple of polls and a focus group…
Eliana wrote:
Really? There is an ordor so foul as to quench the blood-lust of the koranimals? Color me skeptical.
@ Eliana:
This is like the geo-political version of “too big to fail,” where the taxpayers bail out companies that made bad decisions.
The Arabs have repeatedly tried, and failed, to destroy Israel. Instead of taking their lumps and moving on, they expect the “world community” to give them what they failed to accomplish.
@ citizen_q:
My understanding is that the smell is worse than skunk smell.
Israel has tried it against protestors in Samaria and the protestors turned around and left the area immediately.
I think it ruins clothing, by the way.
Eliana wrote:
Scondary proposal; Rename jordan paleostine, and tell paleos to hoof it home.
@ Nevergiveup:
Doesn’t have to be worldwide either. Every damned Mohammedan capital though.
Nice segue between a story about the nuts who think the world will end tomorrow and one about a dog:
“He’s survived so far, we’ll see if he makes it through Saturday…”
@ Eliana:
Once again, we see that the only thing one needs to sweep away the arguments posited by the left are the glimmerings of an adult memory. The, “Palestinians,” were promised the 1967 borders and every last one of their demands by William Clinton and Ehud Barak in the ancient date of 2000. Arafat stormed out at the gaul of being offered everything he had demanded and chose the infantada instead. Obama has a hard task ahead during the 012 election. He realizes that he must keep the appearence of being pro Israel for another year and a half, while he is really planning to sell Israel down the river. A major problem this lying sack of excrement for a President has is that Israel is not peopled mostly with retarded folk. They are not going to blindly go along with a suicide maneuver simply because Obama throws a tantrum. Onother problem he has, his deeds so far seem to be waking up even the sleepiest of American citizens, who by the way are overwhelmingly pro Israel.
citizen_q wrote:
That’ll fly like a lead balloon. Black September.
@ Eliana:
Not sure that would work against people who are planning to charge into automatic weapons fire, though…
@ lobo91:
Exactly.
The Arab demands on Israel are meant to roll back all their losses in wars. Every demand is meant to make it up to them that they were stupid enough to fight Israel and to give them back what they lost by doing so.
Endless “Arab do-overs” after wars makes for endless wars. They have nothing to lose if the world rescues them after each war and returns what they lost because they attacked Israel.
Terror masterminds similarly always expect to be released from prison to plan more terror atrocities. The “Palestinian Authority” calls them political prisoners and now pays them monthly salaries for having mass murdered Jews.
It’s an abominable situation against these enemies but Obama sympathizes with the monsters instead of the people trying to defend against them.
Obama has no problem with terrorism against Jews (which is part of his pro-Muslim world view).
@ Macker:
Macker wrote:
Funny you should bring this up. The, “Palestinians,” all are considered to be Jordanian citizens already. The same U.N. resolution which created Israel also created Jordan. That was the plan, a home for the Jews in the area, and a home for the Arabs who lived there as well. Jordan took all the oil, and 87% of the partition, plus access and control of the old city. It seems as though the argument is more about how do we kill all of those pesky Jews than give them a homeland. The Jordanians have always allowed them in, just without their guns. Black September happened because they tried to pull their warlord crap on Jordan.
@ lobo91:
They still have to think about how their bodies are treated after their deaths, though.
Maybe they don’t want to show up for their 72 virgins while stinking severely. Even the 72 virgins might find it off-putting.
Eliana wrote:
Sorry I am just trying to get my head around the idea a stink that would turn goat lovers off.
@ Eliana:
How come that only works for them?
It seems to me that Germany could use it as a precedent to claim that Western Europe should be returned to them, too…
Eliana wrote:
It is not terrorism if Jews are killed (Obama’s and the Arab world’s logic).
Flyovercountry wrote:
That is the 800lb gorilla in the room that everyone, even many conservative talk show hosts seem to be blind to.
Say what you want about Glen Beck, but if you have been listening to him lately, he has been staunchly on Israel’s side.
Someone should count the number of times Obama uses the word “we” in his speech at Langley.
Somehow, I doubt that he’s actually involved in reading documents or analyzing photos retrieved from bin Laden’s hideout…
Speranza wrote:
Its the ur-o-peein view as well. I hear they are very happy with imam obumbler’s plan for Israel’s suicide.
@ lobo91:
And how many times did he use the word “I“?
Macker wrote:
Not that many. I think someone pointed it out to him, so he changed to “we” for this speech.
Sounded just as dumb.
Ever since this bogus popular uprising™ was manufactured by the muzz and their leftist community organizing friends I have suspected it would lead to another intifada.
Netanyahu/West 2012
I am so hoping that some of the cowardly rinos on our side will take a lesson from Bibi and see just how easy it is to kick zero’s arse.
@ chickadee:
@ chickadee:
Bibi just said no to Obama while also giving him a history lesson in front of the world.
Zero was seeeeeeeeeeething during this lesson.
@ lobo91:
I saw your post about the job on the OOT. So sorry. I did leave a message that you probably missed. IMHO, I think there’s a message in there for you from ‘whatever’. It’s saying, ‘you’ve done your stint in Islamic states and now it’s time to be home.’ No disrespect, of course. I think your country needs you right where you are and doing what you are doing. I also said that NY and NJ have gone to financial arrangements where people are staying in their homes without payments for up to three years. (read it on a financial forum) I know it’s terribly discouraging, but stay with your business. Not that you asked for my opinion. lol
Apparently, not all the “Palestinians” were impressed, either.
Here’s some asshat claiming that Obama is the “most biased US president ever” toward Israel, with the possible exception of “Bush Jr”:
Zero’s body language during Bibi’s history lesson should be written up by the press.
Zero was frozen in place with his hand propping up his chin while Bibi lectured to him, and then Zero turned away from Bibi IMMEDIATELY after shaking his hand at the end.
Zero turned his back to Bibi while still sitting in his chair.
Eliana wrote:
Zero treated Bibi like crap from the beginning. It’s not like Bibi has anything to lose by being the only adult in the room.
@ yenta-fada:
I have no great desire to spend any more time over there.
But it’s basically impossible for me to make a living in the US at the moment, so I don’t know what else to do.
I’m going to be flat broke in about 6 weeks, anyway, so it will be a moot point.
@ Eliana:
I missed the whole thing. I was out in the garden and the radio was cutting out from the bad weather.
Can’t wait to see zero’s sour puss mug from the lesson Bibi gave him.
WTF was zero thinking? That Bibi would continue to be his punching bag.
LOL
zero got punked. This is so inspiring. Surely now the GOP can see the huge crack in zero;s phony facade.
And go after him. LOL It took an Israeli with clear thinking and great courage to punk this worthless pos.
Hussein,being an evil petty p.o.s., will find a way to get even. Its what commie thugs do.
Israel, watch your back.
@ yenta-fada:
Absolutely right.
Also, Jerusalem approved 1550 new housing units for Jewish neighborhoods in eastern Jerusalem during Zero’s speech yesterday. Zero hasn’t said a single word about this, as far as I’ve seen.
The timing of the approval during Zero’s speech was a message in itself, I think. Israelis in Jerusalem were expecting Zero to throw Israel under the bus, probably.
New Thread.
@ Guggi:
Don’t worry, AIPAC members were told not to boo. It’ll be fascinating to see how he spins this, and spin he shall.
Notice that Obama referred to the “Arab Spring” as
a reason That Bibi should get with the program.
The Movement is anti Israel. Why would any Israeli
PM be inspired by it?
@ vagabond trader:
Rough crowd for Zero – “Don’t worry, Mr. President. We’ve asked all our dignitaries in the audience to refrain from booing, throwing tomatoes, snickering, hissing and frowning. We’ll be checking shoes in at the door.”
Eliana wrote:
LOL, he is such a teenage girl. No, actually he is an 8 year old girl. He is his own worst enemy because he has no control over his emotions. That is really bad for a public official. Especially a statesman. Especially a potus. He looks weaker than a popcorn fart. A little girl who can’t find her pink unicorn.
RIX wrote:
They should be inspired, but not to make concessions to the barbarians.
They should be inspired to double their security…
vagabond trader wrote:
You got that right. He will seek vengeance. He is sharpening his claws like a shrew.
lobo91 wrote:
I know. I was just saying that sometimes things have a purpose that we can’t see. It doesn’t change your immediate circumstances. It’s stupefying that a man with your intelligence, experience, and abilities is in this position.
@ RIX:
Zero is pretending that the Muslim Brotherhood is promoting democracy in these various countries that are being overthrown and that this would make them friendlier to Israel.
Europe is democratic and they hate Israel anyway, so it’s stupid in the first place to suggest that democracies tend to like Israel. Suggesting that the Muslim Brotherhood wants democracy is downright ludicrous.
American exceptionalism accounts for America’s unique ability to embrace the Jewish people and the only Jewish nation in the world.
RIX wrote:
Because king zero likes it.
That’s why.
lobo91 wrote:
Clear message to Israel to do just that.
What a travesty, he won’t protect our US borders yet he orders a sovereign nation to reconfigure theirs for genocidal squatters.
@ lobo91:
I think that the Israelis got the memo. The traditional
“special” relationship is broken.
RIX wrote:
To be resumed when Obama is gone.
@ chickadee:
.
Obama got a bitter taste of humiliation today
& the fawning media won’t be able to change it.
@ Speranza:
Agreed!
The American people (Israel’s real lobby in the U.S.) strongly support Israel and this won’t change. Americans will keep the home fires burning until a more suitable person is in the Oval Office.
Speranza wrote:
Assuming that either the US or Israel still exist at that point…
Speranza wrote:
Sooner, rather than later.
vagabond trader wrote:
America, watch your back. grrrrr
lobo91 wrote:
That’s a doomsday scenario. I’m not ready to go there. However, I fully believe that Israel is now officially under a heightened existential threat from the Muslim Brotherhood now that Ozero has deserted Israel. Expect him to lie to any Jewish organization. Muslims have lots of practice doing just that.
RIX wrote:
zero needs lessons like that daily. Time to bring it to him.
Check out the photos on Drudge.
He looks like he just swallowed castor oil and has a cob up his arse.
Priceless.
Bibi kicked ass.
@ chickadee:
@ yenta-fada:
He is complicit in all the Arab spring B.S. Right up his nasty alley. I sincerely hope Israel has tightened up their borders,because ironically there are going to be more aggressive incursions.
@ chickadee:
Obama was a child (can’t say boy) dealing with a man.
BHO is embarassing.
lobo91 wrote:
El Gato and La Gata tell me that BO might be useful for attracting flies for them to chase. He probably can’t work a water faucet or change a litter box, much less open a cat food can or do anything else humans should do for cats.
citizen_q wrote:
Palestinian Muslims are at war, not only with Israel, but with the entire non-Muslim world. They are the modern equivalent of Nazis and should be treated accordingly. They must be given the choice of de-Islamization or death, preferably the latter because they cannot be trusted to do the former.
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