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Why Non-Muslims Should Avoid Halal Food

by 1389AD ( 105 Comments › )
Filed under Food and Drink, immigration, Islamic Invasion, Islamic Supremacism, Islamic Terrorism, Multiculturalism, Sharia (Islamic Law) at June 30th, 2011 - 5:00 pm

Halal food seems to be everywhere these days. It is food containing meat prepared by Muslims in accordance with shari’a law.

Gates of Vienna: The “Non-Existent” Islamization of America

Below is a brief report on some of the peripheral events that occurred during Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff’s recent visit to Washington D.C.

ACT for America logo
The “Non-Existent” Islamization of America
by Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff

As the Baron has been reporting for the past couple of days, he and I attended the ACT! For America National Conference in Washington DC. From June 22 through June 24.

Apart from “official” business such as the meeting with Congressman Allen West and collecting donations for my defense fund, I was able to catch up with some friends from various ACT! chapters who came in from across the nation. In addition, I spent a day in my favorite outlet mall in Woodbridge, VA.

On the last day of the conference, I had dinner with chapter leaders from Michigan and Texas. We decided on an Indian restaurant near the hotel: “Rajaji Curry House” on Connecticut Avenue. The still ongoing happy hour and the mouth-watering menu made our decision to spend the evening in this restaurant particularly easy. As we sat down, we immediately ordered our drinks and some appetizers while perusing the menu in detail. The menu did indeed promise good food. However, while the others chatted I took a closer look at the menu and imagine my shock and horror when — on the very last page and in fine print — the menu read: “We serve halal food.”

I cried out: “Sorry, you guys, but we have to get out of here! I cannot eat halal food. I am leaving. Now.”

The others immediately concurred with my decision. We motioned for the waiter and told him we would pay only for our drinks; the food order was canceled as the food was halal. The waiter was only very mildly indignant. He obviously realized that we knew exactly what halal meant. We ran outside and had an excellent meal across the street at an Irish pub. Very definitely not halal!

I always spend the early part of the day of my flight home at an outlet mall. Like last year, my destination was Potomac Mills Mall in Woodbridge, Virginia. Imagine my dismay when this year I saw this huge banner displayed in the mall, one that wasn’t there a year ago:

Potomac Mills Halal
The Petra Grill, as in Petra, Jordan. Halal food has now arrived at Potomac Mills Mall. And how many of those thousands of shoppers know what “halal” means? How many would even boycott the mall or protest if they did know?

And why do so many still insist that there is no Islamization of America?

This monster is staring us in the face, ready to devour us whole. Get up and do something about it! Support ACT! for America.

Posted by Baron Bodissey at 6/28/2011 09:41:00 PM


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Why should non-Muslims care about halal food?

GoV commenter Egghead explains:

Here is WHY non-Muslims should care about the introduction of any halal food into the West.

I read a great anti-halal essay that explained that halal food contributes to four significant problems – independent of animal cruelty or religious issues.

The first problem is an employment fairness issue. Halal slaughter requires that Muslims perform all halal rituals. The end result is that Muslims begin to “take over” food production jobs of a nation. The idea that Muslims – who wish to eliminate non-Muslims – control any aspect of non-Muslim food production is disturbing.

The second problem is a terrorist funding issue. All halal products require the monetary purchase of halal certification from a major Muslim entity – and some of that money inevitably supports terror efforts against the West.

The third problem is a Muslim immigration scam. Evidently, halal slaughter requires Western nations to import halal butchers from Muslim nations. The scam is that the halal butchers QUIT as soon as they receive their Western immigration status – requiring the constant importation of halal butchers from – you guessed it – Muslim nations.

The fourth problem is that – where Western countries have banned guns but allow knives – halal butchers can use their butchering skills as very effective human murderers. In essence, the importation of halal butchers is the importation of devout Muslims who would make extremely effective foot soldiers in a fighting war.

In the meantime, halal butchers use their butchering skills to commit violent crimes in the West – halal human slaughters which go unreported by the main stream media.

6/29/2011 2:13 AM

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  1. coldwarrior
    1 | June 30, 2011 5:10 pm

    i wont eat halal out of principal, wont give them my money.

    however, take out the halal method then the kosher method is next under the axe…and then what goes next..?


  2. 2 | June 30, 2011 5:17 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Ron Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  3. buzzsawmonkey
    3 | June 30, 2011 5:21 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    however, take out the halal method then the kosher method is next under the axe…and then what goes next..?

    Yes.

    Furthermore, to say that Muslims must be involved in all aspects of the food production/preparation cannot be correct. There are a number of kosher foods—cheese, certainly—which carry a halal “hecksher” in addition to the kosher hecksher.

    I cannot say with certainty whether any kosher meats carry halal certification, but I do know that kashrut is acceptable to those who eat halal food—though not the other way around. In short, Muslims consider kosher meat halal, though it has been slaughtered by Jews; Jews do not regard halal meat as kosher.


  4. coldwarrior
    4 | June 30, 2011 5:25 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    as for either being ‘cruel’ they arent. the animal passes out rather rapidly after the jugulars are cut.

    i have actually helped butcher a few steer and pigs…if you miss with the shot to the brain, they take very long to die…so the ‘cruelty’ claim is a non starter


  5. Da_Beerfreak
    5 | June 30, 2011 5:25 pm

    As long as islam is treated as a religion and not as a totalitarian political belief system intent on World domination in this Country, We’re Doomed™. :evil:


  6. coldwarrior
    6 | June 30, 2011 5:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Ron Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    VLAAAMS BLANG butchers ron paul’s diner of baby seals and bambi!


  7. Da_Beerfreak
    7 | June 30, 2011 5:28 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Ron Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    VLAAAMS BLANG butchers ron paul’s diner of baby seals and bambi!

    Can I get a side of baby bald eagle wings to go with that?? :twisted:


  8. Dolphin
    8 | June 30, 2011 5:31 pm

    A muslim co-worker is traveling for business in Mexico the week. Via another co-worker who spoke with him yesterday, he is starving because he can’t find any place that serve halal food.

    We had a good laugh about it.


  9. coldwarrior
    9 | June 30, 2011 5:32 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Ron Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    VLAAAMS BLANG butchers ron paul’s diner of baby seals and bambi!

    Can I get a side of baby bald eagle wings to go with that??

    sure! with some powdered bunnies and unicorn dust!


  10. coldwarrior
    10 | June 30, 2011 5:36 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    A muslim co-worker is traveling for business in Mexico the week. Via another co-worker who spoke with him yesterday, he is starving because he can’t find any place that serve halal food.
    We had a good laugh about it.

    heh.


  11. Speranza
    11 | June 30, 2011 5:38 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    i wont eat halal out of principal, wont give them my money.

    Stop right there -- that is reason enough. Do not indulge or enable Muslims!


  12. Speranza
    12 | June 30, 2011 5:39 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    A muslim co-worker is traveling for business in Mexico the week. Via another co-worker who spoke with him yesterday, he is starving because he can’t find any place that serve halal food.
    We had a good laugh about it.

    Cry me a river!


  13. Dolphin
    13 | June 30, 2011 5:41 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ Speranza:
    Funny thing is -- he smokes (cigs).


  14. Da_Beerfreak
    14 | June 30, 2011 5:41 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Ron Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    VLAAAMS BLANG butchers ron paul’s diner of baby seals and bambi!
    Can I get a side of baby bald eagle wings to go with that??

    sure! with some powdered bunnies and unicorn dust!

    Will need plenty of beer to wash all that dust down. Will need some smoked dunes sagebrush lizard from Texas to go with the beer.


  15. Philip_Daniel
    15 | June 30, 2011 5:41 pm

    The Sharia Law Offices Of Mohammed, Mohammed, Ahmed, Abdullah And Mohammed


  16. coldwarrior
    16 | June 30, 2011 5:42 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    i wont eat halal out of principal, wont give them my money.
    Stop right there – that is reason enough. Do not indulge or enable Muslims!

    i dont trust them to prepare my food given i look like i am still in the army…they would probably gladly spit or whatnot in my food.


  17. Nevergiveup
    17 | June 30, 2011 5:43 pm

    Gee get a life. Talk about an over reaction


  18. coldwarrior
    18 | June 30, 2011 5:43 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ Speranza:
    Funny thing is – he smokes (cigs).

    well, that throws any ‘health’ reasons right out the window


  19. 19 | June 30, 2011 5:44 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Ron Paul is everywhere.

    FYI- I don’t favor banning Halal. I just will not buy it.


  20. Speranza
    20 | June 30, 2011 5:45 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ Speranza:
    Funny thing is – he smokes (cigs).

    Probably drinks Scotch and patronizes hookers.


  21. coldwarrior
    21 | June 30, 2011 5:46 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Will need plenty of beer to wash all that dust down. Will need some smoked dunes sagebrush lizard from Texas to go with the beer.

    yum!

    :lol:


  22. Nevergiveup
    22 | June 30, 2011 5:47 pm

    Next thing ya know they will be banning Kosher Slaughter Houses in Europe. Oh Yeah they already are?


  23. coldwarrior
    23 | June 30, 2011 5:48 pm

    @ Philip_Daniel:

    :lol:


  24. coldwarrior
    24 | June 30, 2011 5:53 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Next thing ya know they will be banning Kosher Slaughter Houses in Europe. Oh Yeah they already are?

    they better not do that here…murray avenue kosher has the best kosher hot dogs ever, made on premises…(damned expensive too.)


  25. lobo91
    25 | June 30, 2011 5:57 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    i dont trust them to prepare my food given i look like i am still in the army…they would probably gladly spit or whatnot in my food.

    I used to hate flying to Ft McCoy on military business. They made us wear ACUs at the time, and the only way to get there is through Minneapolis. Almost that entire airport has been taken over by Somalis.


  26. yenta-fada
    26 | June 30, 2011 5:58 pm

    Old-ish joke.

    Today in History, 16 April 2011:

    In 1872 Sheik Ali Bin Trojani of the All Islamic University Biology Center invented the condom, using a goat’s lower intestine.

    In 1873 the British refined the idea greatly by taking the intestine out of the goat first.


  27. coldwarrior
    27 | June 30, 2011 6:02 pm

    @ lobo91:

    lovely.


  28. coldwarrior
    28 | June 30, 2011 6:06 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    a classic


  29. yenta-fada
    29 | June 30, 2011 6:09 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    a classic

    There are more where that came from. :-) Can I help it if these people are walking parodies?


  30. RIX
    30 | June 30, 2011 6:35 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I used to hate flying to Ft McCoy on military business. They made us wear ACUs at the time, and the only way to get there is through Minneapolis. Almost that entire airport has been taken over by Somalis

    That’s a fact & the hotels downtown & around the airport
    are the same.


  31. John Difool
    31 | June 30, 2011 6:39 pm

    sup blogmocs ?


  32. John Difool
    32 | June 30, 2011 6:41 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Old-ish joke.
    Today in History, 16 April 2011:
    In 1872 Sheik Ali Bin Trojani of the All Islamic University Biology Center invented the condom, using a goat’s lower intestine.
    In 1873 the British refined the idea greatly by taking the intestine out of the goat first.

    He used an actual live goat’s large intestine as the test subject.

    While it was still attached to the goat….


  33. coldwarrior
    33 | June 30, 2011 6:51 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    sup blogmocs ?

    nuttin…

    prepping for the bbq/beer/and bombs here for the 4th


  34. John Difool
    34 | June 30, 2011 6:55 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    sup blogmocs ?

    nuttin…
    prepping for the bbq/beer/and bombs here on the 4th

    Sounds cool. Whats not so cool is my air is on the fritz and it’s in the high eigties. Anyhoo, planning on driving down to the South Cackalacky border tomorrow to buy some real fireworks. Believe it or not, even with our lax gunlaws they are pretty draconian here concerning fireworks.


  35. Dolphin
    35 | June 30, 2011 6:59 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    sup blogmocs ?

    nuttin…

    prepping for the bbq/beer/and bombs here for the 4th

    We won’t have fireworks here. They have banned them due to the drought.


  36. coldwarrior
    36 | June 30, 2011 7:01 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    John Difool wrote:
    sup blogmocs ?
    nuttin…
    prepping for the bbq/beer/and bombs here for the 4th

    We won’t have fireworks here. They have banned them due to the drought.

    that’s what i hear!

    we dropped hundred$ on the bombs…biggest yet.

    and then there is the brisket…


  37. coldwarrior
    37 | June 30, 2011 7:02 pm

    @ John Difool:

    fireworks are illegal in pa….no one enforces it on the 4th, nor does anyone listen to the ban.

    a very ‘american’ way of handling it


  38. RIX
    38 | June 30, 2011 7:03 pm

    I caught a little bit of Hannity on the radio while driving
    tody.
    He was talking about some recently released Harvard research.
    According to the research the Fourth of July is now just
    a Republican holiday.
    Appareently it cauises undue nationalism & US military
    worship & brain washes kids.


  39. coldwarrior
    39 | June 30, 2011 7:05 pm

    @ RIX:

    screw those pointy headed whiny little fags.


  40. John Difool
    40 | June 30, 2011 7:05 pm

    @ RIX:

    Worse yet…….it has the most horrible side effect of turning kids into Republicans….err, I mean conservatives.


  41. Eliana
    41 | June 30, 2011 7:06 pm

    @ RIX:

    According to the research the Fourth of July is now just a Republican holiday.

    Appareently it cauises undue nationalism & US military
    worship & brain washes kids.

    It isn’t politically correct to love America or to love being an American.

    Libs are such jerks.


  42. John Difool
    42 | June 30, 2011 7:06 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Yea, which is why we just shoot our guns, but I want some starburst shit. Somebody should make some fireworks ammo.


  43. RIX
    43 | June 30, 2011 7:07 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ RIX:

    screw those pointy headed whiny little fags.

    But they is ejubacated.


  44. coldwarrior
    44 | June 30, 2011 7:09 pm

    Eliana wrote:

    Libs are such jerks.

    they are just so irritating and miserable to be around…they are like psychic vampires, suck the life right out of a room


  45. Eliana
    45 | June 30, 2011 7:11 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Libs are such jerks.

    they are just so irritating and miserable to be around…they are like psychic vampires, suck the life right out of a room

    Yup.


  46. yenta-fada
    46 | June 30, 2011 7:11 pm

    If Americans don’t recognize who they are, Islam will be happy to tell them./


  47. coldwarrior
    47 | June 30, 2011 7:12 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Worse yet…….it has the most horrible side effect of turning kids into Republicans….err, I mean conservatives.

    given the amount of fireworks that goes off in this neighborhood, all the kids are brainwashed by now!


  48. coldwarrior
    48 | June 30, 2011 7:13 pm

    RIX wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ RIX:
    screw those pointy headed whiny little fags.

    But they is ejubacated.

    shit…so am i, but i’m not a miserable lefty


  49. RIX
    49 | June 30, 2011 7:17 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Worse yet…….it has the most horrible side effect of turning kids into Republicans….err, I mean conservatives.

    That of course was the hidden agenda, you can’t have
    more Republicans.
    They probably will research Church on Christmas & conclude
    that it may cause Christianity


  50. John Difool
    50 | June 30, 2011 7:20 pm

    @ RIX:

    Republicans have the curious little tendency to turn into RINO’s which is why I make the term Repub and conserve mutually exclusive.


  51. RIX
    51 | June 30, 2011 7:22 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    shit…so am i, but i’m not a miserable lefty

    Because you mastered critical thinking.
    Lefties avoid that.


  52. lobo91
    52 | June 30, 2011 7:31 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I caught a little bit of Hannity on the radio while driving
    tody.
    He was talking about some recently released Harvard research.
    According to the research the Fourth of July is now just
    a Republican holiday.
    Appareently it cauises undue nationalism & US military
    worship & brain washes kids.

    I heard that, too. It sounded too stupid even for Harvard.

    I was wrong. Here’s a link to the press release where they talk about it


  53. RIX
    53 | June 30, 2011 7:37 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Republicans have the curious little tendency to turn into RINO’s which is why I make the term Repub and conserve mutually exclusive.

    Thats a fact. A lot of Republican judges go crazy left
    ie Earl Warren


  54. John Difool
    54 | June 30, 2011 7:38 pm

    RIX wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    @ RIX:
    Republicans have the curious little tendency to turn into RINO’s which is why I make the term Repub and conserve mutually exclusive.

    Thats a fact. A lot of Republican judges go crazy left
    ie Earl Warren

    I’m mostly talkin’ ’bout our reps, not our judges.


  55. RIX
    55 | June 30, 2011 7:40 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I heard that, too. It sounded too stupid even for Harvard.

    I was wrong. Here’s a link to the press release where they talk about it

    That is just bizzare.


  56. chickadee
    56 | June 30, 2011 7:43 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    i wont eat halal out of principal, wont give them my money.

    Stop right there – that is reason enough. Do not indulge or enable Muslims!

    I agree. That is reason enough. I do not want to enable them financially, culturally, politically.
    And I do not trust the halal process for slaughtering and dressing meat. They are after all muzz and how can we be sure they have not fcked the goat and are selling it to the next town. Yuck.


  57. RIX
    57 | June 30, 2011 7:45 pm

    @ John Difool:

    I’m mostly talkin’ ’bout our reps, not our judges

    .

    I know , but reps can be voted out. Supreme Court
    appointments are for life & they have tremendous
    power.


  58. John Difool
    58 | June 30, 2011 7:45 pm

    @ RIX:

    True dat.


  59. lobo91
    59 | June 30, 2011 7:54 pm

    @ RIX:

    From the study:

    We document a set of striking relationships linked to Fourth of July. We first show that Fourth of July celebrations have a significant impact on people’s political preferences. A rain-free Fourth of July makes it 1.3 percentage points more likely that an individual contemporaneously identify as a Republican. Turning to the effect on children, we show that the likelihood that an adult at age 40 identifies as a Republican increases by 0.76 percentage points for each rain-free Fourth of July during childhood, where childhood is defined as the ages of 3-18. There is no evidence of an increased likelihood of identifying as a Democrat, indicating that Fourth of July shifts preferences to the right rather than increasing political polarization.3

    Furthermore, Fourth of July weather has a significant impact on political behavior and political participation in presidential elections. One rain-free Fourth of July increases the likelihood of voting for the Republican candidate at age 40 by 1 percentage point, with no effect on the likelihood of voting for the Democratic candidate. This is not only due to a shift in political preferences, as Fourth of July also increases political participation in general. We show that voter turnout later in life increases by 0.62 percentage points per rain-free day. The likelihood that individuals attend political rallies, make campaign donations, and work for political parties as adults also rises.4

    We also investigate whether rain-free Fourth of Julys at certain key ages matter more than others during childhood and if the effects are permanent. Surprisingly, the estimates show that the impact on political preferences is permanent, with no evidence of the effects depreciating as individuals become older. We also document an inverted-U relationship between age in childhood and the Fourth of July impact on pro-Republicanism. In particular, there are no statistically significant effects early or late in childhood, and the effects peak for rain-free days at ages 7-10. Examining voter turnout, we find evidence suggesting that the critical period occurs later, as the effects peak for rain-free days at ages 15-18. Contrary to the finding on political preferences, the impact on turnout depreciate as individuals become older.

    Finally, we consider if the effects of Fourth of July varies across political orientation at the community level and across time. We show that the impact on preferences and voting behavior are driven by Republican-dominated counties, with no effect in Democratic counties. To understand how the celebrations have evolved over the 20th century, we examine the impact across the different cohorts and find that the Republican bias is weaker for younger cohorts. Meanwhile, the effect on voter turnout is constant across political domain and across time.

    Taken together, the results indicate that Fourth of July celebrations in the United States shape the nation’s political landscape by forming beliefs and increasing participation, primarily in favor of the Republican party. To quantify the overall effects during the sample period, one rain-free Fourth of July in childhood raises the nationwide share of people identifying as Republicans by 2.1 percent, the share of people voting for the Republicans by 4.0 percent, and the share of people turning out to vote by 0.95 percent.


  60. 60 | June 30, 2011 7:56 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Want to do a thread on it?


  61. lobo91
    61 | June 30, 2011 7:57 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Oh noes! The Fourth of July causes kids to have patriotic feelings!

    Someone call CJ!
    //


  62. Eliana
    62 | June 30, 2011 7:58 pm

    @ lobo91:

    To quantify the overall effects during the sample period, one rain-free Fourth of July in childhood raises the nationwide share of people identifying as Republicans by 2.1 percent, the share of people voting for the Republicans by 4.0 percent, and the share of people turning out to vote by 0.95 percent.

    If word of this gets out, we’re going to see liberals start praying for rain on July 3rd each year.

    This would make their heads explode, though, so more Republicans would be the end result.

    I wonder if they’ve considered this carefully. :-)


  63. RIX
    63 | June 30, 2011 7:59 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I’ll bet that this study was tax payer subsidized, was it?
    They are really clear now, Americanism is hateful.


  64. RIX
    64 | June 30, 2011 8:01 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Oh noes! The Fourth of July causes kids to have patriotic feelings!
    Someone call CJ!

    //

    He & the hateful little swarm will be all over it.


  65. brookly red
    65 | June 30, 2011 8:02 pm

    awwww man! and I was really in the mood for a falafel.


  66. lobo91
    66 | June 30, 2011 8:02 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I’ll bet that this study was tax payer subsidized, was it?
    They are really clear now, Americanism is hateful.

    That was the real conclusion. They just didn’t spell it out.

    Clearly, the solution is to prohibit displays of patriotism during Fourth of July festivities.


  67. 67 | June 30, 2011 8:03 pm

    New thread.


  68. lobo91
    68 | June 30, 2011 8:05 pm

    @ RIX:

    Once they eliminate baseball, hot dogs, and apple pie, it will become a celebration of Chevrolet.

    Which works out well for them anyway, I guess…


  69. RIX
    69 | June 30, 2011 8:05 pm

    @ lobo91:

    That was the real conclusion. They just didn’t spell it out.

    Clearly, the solution is to prohibit displays of patriotism during Fourth of July festivities

    .

    Strange days indeed.


  70. coldwarrior
    70 | June 30, 2011 8:06 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    awwww man! and I was really in the mood for a falafel.

    yuk.


  71. mfhorn
    71 | June 30, 2011 8:07 pm

    @ lobo91:

    And just think. Tax dollars went to research that crap. It’s about as useful as teaching Chinese hookers to drink.


  72. lobo91
    72 | June 30, 2011 8:12 pm

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    And just think. Tax dollars went to research that crap. It’s about as useful as teaching Chinese hookers to drink.

    I don’t know…at least some people probably got drunk from that one…


  73. Philip_Daniel
    73 | June 30, 2011 8:17 pm

    @ Rodan:

    You made an excellent point on an earlier thread about Islamic schemes of “wealth redistributive justice”. Well, here, to vindicate exactly what you wrote, from a Seerah (biography) of the Sahabah (companions of Muhammad) written by Maulana Muhammad Yusuf Kandolvi…

    One can easily see the roots of “Anti-Colonialist Leftist Islamophilia” in reading this text…

    Hadhrat Sa’d bin Abi Waqqaas sent a group of leading Sahabah to invite Rustam to Islaam…When Rustam asked them why they had come, they replied, “WE HAVE COME BECAUSE ALLAAH HAS PROMISED US THAT WE SHALL TAKE OVER YOUR LANDS, CAPTURE YOUR WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND TAKE OWNERSHIP OF YOUR WEALTH. WE ARE CONVINCED THAT THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN.”

    {emphasis mine}

    Redistributive justice, indeed! Take from the kaffir, give to the mumin! The poor Arabian desert nomads deserved it, being deprived for so long by the evil wealth-hoarding Persians and Eastern Romans and Spaniards and Sindhis and Berbers and Nubians and Georgians and Khazars and Tang Chinese and Franks! It’s not colonialism or imperialism, it’s Marxist Social Justice against the exploitative empires!

    /sarc tag off — but really, that’s probably how the Progressives view this…


  74. orangecrush
    74 | June 30, 2011 8:19 pm

    halal butchers use their butchering skills to commit violent crimes in the West

    This part seems over imagined to me and wouldn’t hold up to reality. Muslim butchers as foot soldiers are the same as Muslim taxi cab drivers.

    however good point on halal avoidance is sharia avoidance.


  75. 75 | June 30, 2011 8:23 pm

    Eliana wrote:

    I wonder if they’ve considered this carefully. :-)

    ROTFLMAO………… Oxymoron, liberals and carefully considering… :twisted:


  76. 76 | June 30, 2011 8:24 pm


  77. 77 | June 30, 2011 8:26 pm

    I don’t need bullshit excuses to tell me that once the camels nose is in the tent the rest of the camel will soon follow. Either chase the camel out of the tent, or invite him in.

    I for one am all for declaring Islam a hostile political ideology dedicated to the overthrow of the US Constitution and outlawing it.


  78. Philip_Daniel
    78 | June 30, 2011 8:31 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    See my post above.

    “No coercion”, but we’ll conquer you, place you under our rule as “protected” subjects, and extort tribute from you!


  79. sooooracist
    79 | June 30, 2011 9:29 pm

    Islam Christians Jews all morons. I hope you kill each other soon.


  80. Philip_Daniel
    80 | June 30, 2011 9:35 pm

    sooooracist wrote:

    Islam Christians Jews all morons. I hope you kill each other soon.

    Wow, that took intellect.


  81. 81 | June 30, 2011 9:37 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Ron Paul is everywhere.
    FYI- I don’t favor banning Halal. I just will not buy it.

    Nor do I want my TAX MONEY going to pay for halal meals to be provided in the school system, the military, or other places that use tax dollars at any level to provide food.

    Kosher food has a long tradition in the US and I’m okay with that, considering that Jews don’t wage violent jihad against everybody who isn’t Jewish. Any Muslims who happen to be here (which I have a problem with in any event) can just swallow their pride and eat kosher food. If they don’t like it, then they can LEAVE.


  82. Philip_Daniel
    82 | June 30, 2011 9:38 pm

    sooooracist wrote:

    Islam Christians Jews all morons. I hope you kill each other soon.

    Wait…your username is “sooooracist”? Are you insinuating that criticism of Islamic Imperialism is racism?

    Well, I ask you, what race is Islam? Are you aware that in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Albania and Kosovo (as well as Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia, and Bulgaria) in Southeastern Europe, there are blonde-haired blue-eyed Muslimeen? There are Muslimeen of every race, so how can criticism of an ideology be racism?


  83. 83 | June 30, 2011 9:41 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Yea, which is why we just shoot our guns, but I want some starburst shit. Somebody should make some fireworks ammo.

    That’d still cause sparks and possible fires, from spent shells if nothing else.

    If there’s a wildland fire, I can always move our home outta the way. The rest of y’all aren’t so lucky!


  84. 84 | June 30, 2011 9:45 pm

    Philip_Daniel wrote:

    sooooracist wrote:
    Islam Christians Jews all morons. I hope you kill each other soon.
    Wait…your username is “sooooracist”? Are you insinuating that criticism of Islamic Imperialism is racism?
    Well, I ask you, what race is Islam? Are you aware that in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Albania and Kosovo (as well as Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia, and Bulgaria) in Southeastern Europe, there are blonde-haired blue-eyed Muslimeen? There are Muslimeen of every race, so how can criticism of an ideology be racism?

    If you ask sooooracist what ethnic background he is, he’ll probably say,

    “I’m a drunk!”

    :lol:


  85. Philip_Daniel
    85 | June 30, 2011 10:11 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    If you ask sooooracist what ethnic background he is, he’ll probably say,

    “I’m a drunk!”

    That’s racist!

    /


  86. sooooracist
    86 | June 30, 2011 11:58 pm

    blah blah blah you idiots


  87. Doc
    87 | July 1, 2011 5:22 am

    Why do people fear Muslims? Do you know that all Muslims are told to carry guns to kill the infidels. They are also told to carry sharp knives so they can slit the throats of livestock when they get hungry. They are all told to play ‘Flight Simulators’ so that they can fly planes into buildings. LOL…you people are ignorant!!!
    How many of you know any Muslims??? I’m not talking about seeing a Muslim on the news or in a movie but have tried to befriend a Muslim???
    I know many of them. They are the most humble and most peaceful people I know. I can’t help but laugh at all these idiotic comments. No justification to any of their comments.
    Come on people. All you Americans who are soooo patriotic have forgotten how you virtually killed off all the natives in that country you call ‘your own’. It’s known worldwide that Americans are the dumbest people in the world. You are nothing but slaves to a system that has brainwashed you from birth but hey…it’s the land of the free right??!! What a joke.


  88. Aussie Infidel
    88 | July 1, 2011 6:18 am

    You guys think that you have problems with Halal food!

    ALL … yup…ALL New Zealand killed sheepmeat has to be Halal killed as the Middle east is the main purchaser of NZ lamb and it’s too expensive to establish individual killing chains to suit all tastes. So guess who gets to make the rules? The Islamists. It all comes down to $$$$ in the end. Those with the $$$$ and those who purchase NZ lamb make the rules by setting up the requirements during the negotiations for supply. Killing chains have been configured to face East towards Mecca and there are Islamic imams in ALL meatworks to do the honors of slitting throats… the sheep’s throat, not ours’ … well not yet !

    Practically these imams, (a lazy bunch of losers and they tend to lose interest after a few nominal sheep have been processed) then ‘take a break’ and vanish to smoke and drink tea with their friends leaving the nominal Halal kill to be done by Kiwis. Practically the sheep are stunned before slaughter which is not permitted under Halal. (cruel bastards the imams all are). So lip service is paid to Islam and NZ lamb graces the tables of the ‘sandpeople’.

    How come the US keeps NZ lamb out (and Aussie steaks as well for that matter) ? If you guys would let NZ supply you with prime quality lamb at half the cost you pay now (because we are the most efficient producers of lamb and milk in the world) we wouldn’t have to be beholden to these desert dwelling assholes for our livelihood.


  89. Aussie Infidel
    89 | July 1, 2011 6:21 am

    Doc wrote:

    Why do people fear Muslims?


    Do you know that all Muslims are told to carry guns to kill the infidels. They are also told to carry sharp knives so they can slit the throats of livestock when they get hungry. They are all told to play ‘Flight Simulators’ so that they can fly planes into buildings. LOL…you people are ignorant!!!
    How many of you know any Muslims??? I’m not talking about seeing a Muslim on the news or in a movie but have tried to befriend a Muslim???
    I know many of them. They are the most humble and most peaceful people I know. I can’t help but laugh at all these idiotic comments. No justification to any of their comments.
    Come on people. All you Americans who are soooo patriotic have forgotten how you virtually killed off all the natives in that country you call ‘your own’. It’s known worldwide that Americans are the dumbest people in the world. You are nothing but slaves to a system that has brainwashed you from birth but hey…it’s the land of the free right??!! What a joke.


  90. Aussie Infidel
    90 | July 1, 2011 6:39 am

    Well for a start Doc I actually believe Islamists when they say thaw they want to see me dead or converted to their satanic cult.

    Actually I know a total of 5 Muslims personally.
    One tried to convert my son to Islamic satan worship. at university. Needless to say she failed as his formation is rock solid.

    Another ‘befriended’ the son of a very good friend (Jewish actually although his son is Christian.She wendled her way into the family but at long last their eyes are slowly opening. I am polite towards her but she is an evil little minx and she is fortunately ‘on the way out as her boyfriend (my friend’s Christian son is off to fly for Cathay Pacific and she is stuck in NZ trying to finish her undergraduate degree.
    The next is a Muslim from Iraq. He and I have discussed politics and religion for years both one on one and in a larger group of jurists, scientists and academics as well as catholic priest and the odd cab driver. … oh yes and an ‘ex ??” Israeli spook. An eclectic bunch you will agree. After one such friendly exchange I think Hunni decided that he was getting nowhere and his demeanor changed . In a week he went from very friendly to very angry and finally after a year when I accidently ran into him in a supermarket and said ‘Hi’ he threatened to slit my throat. No reason was given. Very creepy.
    The next two were Saudi borders who lived in the house of a business partner (Jewish by the way) They were studying English . Both it turned out were members of the Omani Special Forces. They didn’t let that slip when they applied to study in NZ. They were OK guys although one was VERY Islamist in his beliefs while the other just wanted to get laid by kiwi girls and drink beer. I ‘potted’ both the the security services but nothing happened. Alas the drinker could have been turned so easily but that opportunity was wasted. They were Ok to chat to but you always felt that they were sizing you up for a head chopping exercise. Again very creepy.

    A few Muslims like my local convenience store owner i know pretty well and we get on OPK but always in the back of my mind I hear those passages from the qu’aran about dimmies and i withdraw a little from getting too close. The trouble is that all these folks on the surface seem OK. Underneath however they are a mass of repressed rage and are conflicted to hell. Takaya is strong with all of them I’m afraid.


  91. Doc
    91 | July 1, 2011 8:38 am

    hi Aussie Infidel. I can unfortunately only speak from my own experiences but I know well over 50 muslims because I am renting
    room in a Muslim house. I’m not allowed to drink or use there freezer to store unhalaal meat. I respect that because it’s their religion. Other than that I’ve had absolutely no issues with them and I’ve been living there for 3 years now. They have never tried to force Islam on me nor have they ever critised my religion (Christianity).
    they’ve invited me many of their functions as well. I must admit I did attend a few functions and found it rather intmidating
    when they started their Arabic prayers but they also, for my sake and the sake of a few of my friends translated their prayers to English and I found that to be rather against all that I’ve heard about their religion. Their prayers for were for not only directed at Muslims but all of mankind. It made me realise that we made them the way they are. We were always critising them without understanding them. They are so so humble. I guess if push anyone too far like we’ve done in the Middle East for example there
    be a retaliation. I must admit that I am considering converting to Islam. The main reason for this is that my own people (christians) are the ones who critise me because of the company I keep. It’s a sad thing I tell ya. I wish you could meet the Muslims I know
    because I’ll almost guarantee that you’ll rapidly change your opinion of them.


  92. vagabond trader
    92 | July 1, 2011 9:23 am

    @ Doc:

    I must admit that I am considering converting to Islam

    You wasted all that bandwidth to tell us that? :lol:


  93. Doc
    93 | July 1, 2011 9:38 am

    It’s OK, They’re paying for my bandwidth. lol


  94. Philip_Daniel
    94 | July 1, 2011 9:47 am

    @ Doc:

    The Prohibition of Supporting the Disbelievers
    Allah prohibited His believing servants from becoming supporters of the disbelievers, or to take them as comrades with whom they develop friendships, rather than the believers. Allah warned against such behavior when He said,
    [وَمَن يَفْعَلْ ذَلِكَ فَلَيْسَ مِنَ اللَّهِ فِي شَىْءٍ]
    (And whoever does that, will never be helped by Allah in any way) meaning, whoever commits this act that Allah has prohibited, then Allah will discard him. Similarly, Allah said,
    [يأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ عَدُوِّى وَعَدُوَّكُمْ أَوْلِيَآءَ تُلْقُونَ إِلَيْهِمْ بِالْمَوَدَّةِ]
    (O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies as friends, showing affection towards them), until,
    [وَمَن يَفْعَلْهُ مِنكُمْ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ سَوَآءَ السَّبِيلِ]
    (And whosoever of you does that, then indeed he has gone astray from the straight path.) [60:1]. Allah said,
    [يَـأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ الْكَـفِرِينَ أَوْلِيَآءَ مِن دُونِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ أَتُرِيدُونَ أَن تَجْعَلُواْ للَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ سُلْطَاناً مُّبِيناً ]
    (O you who believe! Take not for friends disbelievers instead of believers. Do you wish to offer Allah a manifest proof against yourselves) [4:144], and,
    [يَـأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَـرَى أَوْلِيَآءَ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَآءُ بَعْضٍ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُمْ مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ مِنْهُمْ]
    (O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends, they are but friends of each other. And whoever befriends them, then surely, he is one of them.) [5:51]…
    [وَالَّذينَ كَفَرُواْ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَآءُ بَعْضٍ إِلاَّ تَفْعَلُوهُ تَكُنْ فِتْنَةٌ فِى الاٌّرْضِ وَفَسَادٌ كَبِيرٌ ]
    (And those who disbelieve are allies of one another, (and) if you do not behave the same, there will be Fitnah and oppression on the earth, and a great mischief and corruption.) [8:73].
    Allah said next,
    [إِلاَ أَن تَتَّقُواْ مِنْهُمْ تُقَـةً]
    (unless you indeed fear a danger from them) meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda’ said, “We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.” Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, “The Tuqyah is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.” Allah said,
    [وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللَّهُ نَفْسَهُ]
    (And Allah warns you against Himself.) meaning, He warns you against His anger and the severe torment He prepared for those who give their support to His enemies, and those who have enmity with His friends,


  95. Philip_Daniel
    95 | July 1, 2011 10:04 am

    Doc wrote:

    Why do people fear Muslims? Do you know that all Muslims are told to carry guns to kill the infidels.

    Your ignorance is showing. Offensive jihad, called Jihad At-Talab, is a Fardh Al-Kifaya, or Collective Obligation (meaning only a few Muslims are required to take part, the rest are exempt), upon the Muslim Ummah, the Muslim Nation, only when there is a Khalifah, or a Caliph, upon whom a Ba’yah (pledge of allegiance) is incumbent by all Muslimeen. Jihad At-Talab is preceded by Da’wah, or an invitation to Islam. If the Da’wah is rejected, then the Non-Muslims are required to pay the Jizya, a poll-tax or tribute in lieu of being slain for the unforgivable sin of shirk (polytheism, literally “associating others with Allah”), as Dhimmis, or second-class subjects of an Islamic Shari’ah state. If they refuse to pay the Jizya, then there is war, although women and children are not killed, rather only taken as slaves. This is continued until the entire world comes under the vicegerency of the true believers and the rule of Shari’ah, because the rule of kufr (disbelief) is dhulm (injustice) and must be annihilated.


  96. Doc
    96 | July 1, 2011 10:19 am

    the first question I asked the owner before I moved into their house was “are you allowed to have a christian staying in your house”. He laughed and asked, “would you allow a Muslim to stay in your house?”
    I never answered but I know at that time my answer would definitely be NO. They never made a fuss about my religion and now I feel like I’m part of their family. There was something that they mentioned that got me thinking. He said that religion cannot be spread by fear only by friendship. It’s something that we should all look at. Islam does not discriminate. The scriptures mentioned by PHILIP DANIEL above, according my Muslim mate (I let him read it first) is taken out of context. He said they are not forbidden to be friends with anyone, except those who wish to do the religion harm. That I guess would be my understanding too considering they befriended me. Then again it’s just my opinion.


  97. sooooracist
    97 | July 1, 2011 10:41 am

    these rednecks are ignorant propaganda consumers…there’s no use explaining yourself@ Doc:


  98. Philip_Daniel
    98 | July 1, 2011 10:50 am

    Doc wrote:

    The scriptures mentioned by PHILIP DANIEL above, according my Muslim mate (I let him read it first) is taken out of context.

    So, Muslim scholars for 1380 years have been taking it out of context?

    The Importance of Hadith
    Those who do not believe in Allah nor in the Akhirah, and do not accept the true faith must not be taken as friends. They are those who do not submit to what has been forbidden by Allah and His Prophet SAW. Here, the prohibitions by Allah and by the Holy Prophet SAW have been given the same status. This is because the commands of Holy Prophet SAW are indeed the Injunctions of Allah and a denier of these Injunctions will be dealt with through Jihad. The People of the Book, because of their denial of certain aspects of Islam, also fall in the same category. Jihad will be waged against all such repudiators, until they surrender and accept to live in subjugation in the Islamic State, paying Jizyah.
    The Reasons for Jihad
    Four aspects have been mentioned here (1) belief in Allah, (2) belief in the Akhirah, (3) acceptance of the Divine categorisation of the Forbidden and the Permissible and (4) acceptance of Islam as the Din. Where any one of these four aspects is missing, such people will be obliged to pay Jizyah and live as subordinates in an Islamic State. Otherwise Jihad will be waged against them, in order to rid the State of this wickedness…
    Secrets of Revelation
    Belief in Allah is valid only when it is accompanied by a belief in His attributes as taught by the Holy Prophet SAW. If someone deviates from this rule and believes in his own way, it will amount to not believing at all. Just as the People of the Book believed in Allah and the Akhirah, but attributed progeny to Him. The Jews claimed that Prophet ‘Uzair AS was Allah’s son while the Christians believed the same for Prophet ‘Isa AS. They made such a preposterous statement without any evidence. May Allah destroy them for their insistence upon such blasphemy! Every nation in its own way holds some image of Allah, which cannot be accepted as a proof of believing in Him. Therefore, Jihad will be undertaken against such people unless they pay Jizyah, a tax which the Muslim ruler levies at his discretion in return for the non believers’ safety in the Islamic State. Since Jizyah replaces the death penalty for disbelief, its payment will absolve the payer from capital punishment…
    The People of the Book were also guilty of taking their religious leaders as God, in the sense that they gave greater weightage to their words even if they contradicted the Divine Commandments and practised accordingly, as if they had accepted their leaders as their Rabb. The Christians formally worshipped Prophet ‘Isa, which was a ridiculous thing to do because he himself had taught people to worship Allah Alone. The fact is that no one save Allah deserves to be worshipped, He being the Most Exalted and the Most Magnificent…
    Indeed Allah is the Being Who raised the Holy Prophet SAW with guidance and the true faith to ensure its sway over all ungodly religions, no matter how bad the polytheists may feel.
    Supremacy of Islam
    This Ayah serves not only as a harbinger to the dominance of Islam but also claims that Islam has come only to prevail and remain dominant in the world. The reason for this is that the Holy Prophet SAW has presented the best solutions for every problem of human life. He has taught the best possible way of executing its affairs, whether political, fiscal, moral or mutual, in complete harmony with the human temperaments. And all this has been declared as the true Din… [T]o conduct one‘s affairs in the light of the truth is Din and this practical aspect of Islam is indeed the reason for its prevalence…Therefore, every sentient person will accept this true faith and it shall prevail over the other religions of the world. History bears witness to the victory of Islam over the ungodly religions and its complete sway over the globe…
    Even today, if we resolve to subordinate our practical lives to Islam, it is Allah‘s Promise to bless the Muslims with dominance over the entire world.


  99. Philip_Daniel
    99 | July 1, 2011 10:50 am

    @ sooooracist:

    Yeah, man, I’m not a redneck, I have Middle Eastern ancestry, man.


  100. Philip_Daniel
    100 | July 1, 2011 10:56 am

    @ Doc:

    As for the injunction of Jihad against the People of the Book given in verse 29, it is really not particular to the People of the Book. The fact is that this very injunction applies to all disbelieving groups – because, the reasons for the injunction to fight mentioned next are common to all disbelievers. If so, the injunction has to be common too. But, the People of the Book were mentioned here particularly to serve a purpose. Since, it was possible that Muslims may hesitate to fight against them on the ground that they too are believers in a certain degree, believers in Torah and Injil, and in Sayyidna Musa and ‗Isa may peace be upon them both. So, it was possible that their connection with past prophets and their Books may become a factor in dissuading them from Jihad. Therefore, fighting with them was mentioned particularly.
    There is yet another element of coherence at this place. This particularization of the People of the Book in the verse is also releasing a hint that, in a certain way, these people are deserving of greater punishment. The reasons were simple. They were people with knowledge. They had the knowledge of Torah and Injil. These Scriptures referred to the Last among prophets, Sayyidna Muhammad al-Mustafa, his blessed identity in details. They knew all this, yet elected to reject the truth and went on to mount conspiracies against Islam and Muslims. When they did what they did, their crime became much more serious. That explains why fighting against them was mentioned particularly.
    The injunction to fight spells out four reasons in this verse: 1. They do not believe in Allah. 2. They do not believe in the Hereafter. 3. They do not take as prohibited what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited. 4. They do not submit to the Faith of Truth.
    This raises a doubt. Is it not that the People of the Book, that is, the Jews and Christians, obviously believe in Allah – and in Hereafter and a Last Day too? Why, then, their faith (‗lman) in these things has been negated? The reason is that mere words of faith are hardly sufficient to prove one‘s actual belief in it. Not having the kind of faith desirable in the sight of Allah would amount to having no faith at all. Of course, the Jews and Christians did not openly reject the belief in Tauhid, that is, oneness of Allah or pure monotheism. But, as says the next verse, the Jews took Sayyidna ‗Uzayr and the Christians — took Sayyidna ‗Isa to be the sons of God and thereby assigned to them partnership in His divinity. Therefore, their confession of pure monotheism became ineffectual and any claim to faith, false.
    Similarly, the kind of faith desirable in the Hereafter was something not to be found with the People of the Book. Many of them went by the belief that, on the Last Day (the Qiyzmah) there will be no return to life in body forms they had in the mortal world. Instead, it will be a kind of spiritual life. As for Paradise and Hell, they did not consider them to be any particular places. Spirit when happy was Paradise and spirit when gloomy was Hell. Since all this is patently contrary to what Allah says, therefore, even their faith in the Last Day too turns out to be no faith in real terms.
    The third thing – that these people do not take, what Allah has declared to be unlawful, as unlawful – means that they do not believe in the unlawfulness of many things prohibited by Torah or Injil – for example, riba (interest). Similarly, there were many edibles prohibited in Torah and Injil. They just did not consider these unlawful and indulged in them freely.
    This tells us about a religious rule of conduct. According to this rule, taking anything declared unlawful by Allah Ta‘ala as lawful is not simply the commitment of a sin, in fact, it is kufr, a flat rejection of the faith itself. Similarly, taking something lawful to be unlawful is also kufr. However, should someone inadvertently fall short in practice while still taking the unlawful as unlawful, then, that would be sin, not kufr. Since all wars must end, a limit and end of the action of fighting against those people has also been set forth in this verse where it has been said: (until they pay jizyah with their own hands while they are humbled). Literally, jizyah means return or recompense. In the terminology of the Shari‘ah, it refers to the amount of money taken from disbelievers in lieu of killing.
    The reason is that kufr and shirk are rebellion against Allah and Rasul. Killing is the real punishment for it. But, Allah Ta‘ala has, in His perfect mercy, reduced their punishment by giving them an option. The option is that, should they agree to live as subjects of the Islamic state under the general Islamic legal framework, they may be allowed to remain there against the payment of a nominal amount of jizyah. Since, they would be living there as citizens of a Muslim state, the protection of their life, property and honor will be the responsibility of the Islamic government and no hindrance will be placed in the observance of their religious duties. The amount thus taken is called jizyah…
    [I]n the event Muslims conquered a certain land through war, then allowed the properties of its residents to remain under their ownership and possession, and they too agreed to continue living there as law-abiding citizens, a jizyah was levied on them…
    The comments appearing above also make it clear that jizyah is a compensation for removing the punishment of killing from disbelievers – not a substitute for Islam. Therefore, there is no justification for doubting as to why were they given the permission to keep staying on their policy of aversion from and denial of Islam for a paltry price…
    It should be noted that the paying of jizyah in this verse has been qualified with the words: with their own hands.‘ Here, the first word: (‗an: with) denotes cause, and (yad: hands) signifies power and subjugation. It means that the payment of this jizyah should not be in the spirit of some voluntary contribution or charity. Instead of that, it has to be in the spirit of recognition and acceptance of Islamic victory and of the willingness to live under it. (As in Ruh al-Ma‘ani) As for the later part of the sentence: (while they are humbled), it means, according to the explanation given by Imam Shafi‘i that they should subscribe to the common law of Islam and take the responsibility of remaining obedient to it. (Ruh al-Ma‘ani and Mazhari)
    Regarding the instruction given in this verse that once these people have agreed to pay jizyah, fighting should be stopped, a little explanation may be useful. According to the majority of Muslim jurists, it includes all disbelievers – whether from the People of the Book or from those other than them. However, the Mushriks of Arabia stand excluded from it for jizyah was not accepted from them.
    In the second verse (30), the subject taken up briefly in verse 29 (where it was said that these people do not believe in Allah) has been enlarged. In the second verse, it has been said that the Jews take Sayyidna ‗Uzayr to be the Son of God.‘ So do the Christians. They say that Sayyidna ‗Isa is the Son of God. Therefore, their claim that Allah is One and that they have faith turns out to be false. After that, it was said: (That is their saying [invented] by their mouths). This could also mean that these people profess it openly and clearly through their own tongues. There is nothing secret about it. Then, it could also mean that this blasphemy they utter remains the work of their tongues. They can give no reason or justification for it. Finally, it was said: (They resemble the earlier disbelievers in their saying. Be they killed by Allah, how far turned away they are!). It means that the Jews and Christians, by calling prophets sons of Allah, became the same as disbelievers and Mushriks of past ages, for they used to say that the angels, and their idols, &t and Manat, were daughters of God…
    As for the charge against them that they had taken their rabbis and monks as gods, it has its reason. They used to call them as their Lord in clear terms, but even if it is presumed that they did not believe their religious leaders to be their gods, they had virtually transferred to them the right to be obeyed which is the right of Allah Jalla Thana‘uh, absolutely and exclusively. They would, so to say, follow the dictates of these leaders under all circumstance – even if their dictates happen to be against Allah and His Messenger. With that attitude, one is bound to land in a valley of no return. How can one go about obeying someone even if that person says things contrary to the dictates of Allah and His Messenger? And how can one who has reached this ultimate limit still not refuse to obey that person? This is like taking someone as god – an act of flagrant blasphemy, an open kufr…
    In sum, the masses of people among the Jews and Christians had ignored Scriptures, Divine commandments and the teachings of apostles totally and, in its place, they had taken the word and deed of selfserving scholars and ignorant pseudo-devotees as the core of their religion. This is what has been condemned in the verse.
    Then, it was said that these people chose to take the way of error although they were asked by Allah to worship only one God who is free and pure from what they associated with Him. This verse limits itself to saying that they followed the false and obeyed people other than Allah, something they were not permitted to do. In the verse that follows, mentioned there is another error they make. It is said that they do not stop at the error they have already made. They, rather, like to compound their errors when they try to subvert Divine guidance and black out the Faith of Truth. The statement has been dressed in a similitude – ‗they want to blow out the Light of Allah with their mouths‘ – although, this is something they cannot do. Allah Ta‘ala has already decided that He shall see to it that His Light, that is, the Religion of Islam, reaches its perfection, no matter how displeasing this may turn out to be for those who disbelieve.
    After that, the same subject has been further stressed in the third verse (33) by saying that Allah Ta‘ala has sent His Messenger with guidance, that is, the Qur‘an, and with the Faith of Truth, that is, Islam, in order to have it prevail over all other faiths. Appearing in almost the same words, there are several other verses of the Holy Qur‘an promising that the religion of Islam shall be made to prevail over all other faiths of the world.
    This glad tiding regarding the ascendancy of Islam is, as in Tafsir Mazhari, for most times and circumstances. In a Hadith from Sayydina Miqdad, the Holy Prophet said: No mud or mortar home shall remain on the face of the earth where the word of Islam has not entered with the honor of the honored and the disgrace of the disgraced. Whoever Allah blesses with honor shall embrace Islam and whoever is to face disgrace shall not, though, accept Islam but shall become a subject of the Islamic government. This promise of Allah Ta‘ala was fulfilled. For about a thousand years, the primacy of Islam remained operative throughout the world…
    [I]n future too, in terms of its legitimacy and truth for all times to come, the religion of Islam is a perfect religion no sensible person would elect to criticize. For this reason, this Faith of Truth, in terms of its arguments and proofs, has always been powerful. And, should Muslims follow this religion fully and faithfully, outward ascendancy, power and governance also turn out to be its inevitable results. As proved by the annals of the history of Islam, whenever Muslims acted wholeheartedly in accordance with the Qur‘an and Sunnah, no impediment in their way could defeat their determination and their presence was felt all over the world as a dominant force…
    [S]oon after the expiry of the treaty deadline, Jihad is obligatory against all Mushriks and disbelievers.‖


  101. coldwarrior
    101 | July 1, 2011 3:07 pm

    sooooracist wrote:

    these rednecks are ignorant propaganda consumers…there’s no use explaining yourself@ Doc:

    yep, i have a red neck…from playing golf at my club…now shut your pie hole and go get me a drink, and be quick about it.


  102. 102 | July 1, 2011 5:14 pm

    i will not eat meat knowingly sacrificed to false gods


  103. 103 | July 1, 2011 5:20 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    fireworks are illegal in pa….no one enforces it on the 4th, nor does anyone listen to the ban.
    a very ‘american’ way of handling it

    yeah cops let it slide till around 11pm a guy i know has some 10 inch flash bangs i could only get my hand on 4 inch morters

    /evil grin


  104. 104 | July 1, 2011 5:41 pm

    Doc wrote:

    the first question I asked the owner before I moved into their house was “are you allowed to have a christian staying in your house”. He laughed and asked, “would you allow a Muslim to stay in your house?”
    I never answered but I know at that time my answer would definitely be NO. They never made a fuss about my religion and now I feel like I’m part of their family. There was something that they mentioned that got me thinking. He said that religion cannot be spread by fear only by friendship. It’s something that we should all look at. Islam does not discriminate. The scriptures mentioned by PHILIP DANIEL above, according my Muslim mate (I let him read it first) is taken out of context. He said they are not forbidden to be friends with anyone, except those who wish to do the religion harm. That I guess would be my understanding too considering they befriended me. Then again it’s just my opinion.

    You butt fucking taqiyya spouting Hudaibiya sucking Islamic goat fucking pedophile loving bastard. Challenge Phillip Daniel again, I double dog dare you to.


  105. 105 | July 1, 2011 8:45 pm

    jimmytheclaw wrote:

    i will not eat meat knowingly sacrificed to false gods

    Me either.

    If any Muslims are in western countries -- where they should never set foot, being enemy invaders -- they can always eat kosher food, which has not been sacrificed to a false god.


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