After reading this lunatic’s manifesto, it became clear why he attacked this youth center. It was a Leftist indoctrination camp. One of the activities at this camp was the demonization of Israel. In fact, when the shooting began, some thought it was a simulation of what they are taught, Israel does in Gaza.
“Some of my friends tried to stop him by talking to him. Many people think on the island that it was a test … comparing it to how it is to live in Gaza. So many people went to him and tried to talk to him, but they were shot immediately.” - Adrian Pracon
Why would these kids think this? Clearly there was anti-Israel/Jewish indoctrination going on. In fact, a few days before the shooting, the Norwegian Foreign Minister attended a boycott Israel event at this camp.
Forty-eight hours before Friday massacre, teens participating in ruling party youth camp met with Norwegian foreign minister. Some called for boycott of Israel
Gahr Stoere told the youths that the Palestinians deserve a country of their own and that the occupation must end, Norwegian website Politisk reported. Several of the youths waved signs reading: “Boycott Israel.”The teenagers who took part in Norway’s ruling party youth camp in the island of Utoya met with Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Stoere and demanded he recognize Palestine on Wednesday, two days before the deadly terror attack which left many of them dead.
Read the rest: Norway youths discussed Palestine prior to attack
Now before anyone gets it twisted, I am NOT justifying this lunatic’s attack. Killing 9o kids in cold blood, is never justified. I am not explain why they thought the shooting at first was mimicking what they claim Israel does in Gaza. They were being brainwashed at this Progressive indoctrination camp. In his twisted mind, the shooter thought he was fighting evil. That is why this camp was targeted.
On another note, the people running this camp should be ashamed of themselves. They are teaching kids to hate and demonize a people who are no threat to Norway. That in itself is another form of evil.
None of this still takes away the fact that 90 young people who were just starting out in the journey of life, were killed in cold blood. May their souls find peace.
Tags: Anders Breivik, Norway, Norway Killings
Norway is sick1 What the **** did Israel ever do to them?
Norway has a long and ugly history of anti-semitism
Guggi wrote:
It sure does. They gave the term “Quisling” to the world.
Report: Norway FM Called for Palestinian State At Youth Camp the Day Before Deadly Rampage
Guggi wrote:
How ironic. The children thought the gunman was simulating Israel when it is Arabs who shoot children, see Ma’alot.
No wonder so many were shot. They probably thought the killer was playing the role of an Israeli soldier. In fact, a security guard let him in.
@ Speranza:
I think they should give them just what that headline says they called for: A “Palestinian state” at the youth camp.
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Don’t jump to conclusions so fast — the Facebook page of Anders Behring Breivik has been shown to be a fake. Someone updated it with “Christian Conservative” AFTER a PDF was snapped Jul 23 01:39 GMT.
So Anders Behring Breivik logged on and updated his Facebook page AFTER he gunned down the children to tell everyone that he was “Christian Conservative”? The more likely scenario is that the Facebook alteration was part of a leftist smear campaign. Obviously by someone who had access to Breivik’s password, and perhaps connected to all the murders and terrorism.
http://www.solidprinciples.com/blog/anders-behring-breivik-facebook-profile-a-fake/
If they were simulating a Pali state then they should give the murderer Breivik a Nobel Peace Prize just like they did Arafat.
Hey, it’s only fair.
More,
This document proports to show Breivik has been in personal communication with “Fjordman”:
http://www.kevinislaughter.com/2011/anders-behring-breivik-2083-a-european-declaration-of-independence-manifesto/
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-23/norway-in-quotes/2807306
Government sponsored (or quasi sponsored) anti- Israel youth rally?
Oh yuck!
Man! Separation of church and state never looked wiser.(although Israel is technically a country rather than a religion)
I gotta hand it to our founding fathers.
Do any other places have youth rallies against other countries?
Italian vs Yugoslavs? South Africans vs Dutch?
Turkey vs Spain?
Why can’t people learn to hate at home, in private?
Who was picking up the tab for this largess?
@ 8 Fritz Katz: I would think only a facebook employee could do that.
@ swamprat:
In our country, they usually save such rallies for the universities.
It appears Brevik was a heavy user of ephedrine and anabolic steroids.
LGF is tying the Norwegian shooter to Pamela Geller and Fjordman.
From Gates of Vienna:
I am surprised and quite shocked that anyone, who’s has read any of the FF’s would even entertain the thought that Fjordman would be capable of something like this atrocity. Fjordman does not deserve this. Anyone spreading the rumour is, by that action, saying more about his/her own loathsome character.
[UPDATE002] Posted on GoV, on 23 July 2011, over 24hrs AFTER the Oslo atrocity:
Let that be an end to the matter.
@ 10 Fritz Katz: Fjordman says he doesn’t know the guy. Breivik was probably an LGF member talking to Charles and to Fjordman at the same time.
@ Fritz Katz: loathsome characters at work is an apt description of the theater beyond the actual shootings.
@ Fritz Katz:
Thanks for that information!
orangecrush wrote:
Or someone with Breivik’s password. At any rate, the left is now smearing Fjordman and Pamela Geller with fake “documentary evidence” cooked up after the shootings.
@ Fritz Katz:
“Never let a serious crisis go to waste”
@ Fritz Katz:
There is something fishy to this.
Rodan wrote:
Well, they do eat a lot of fish in Norway…
@ lobo91:
Yes they do.
I wonder how many of these indoctrination camps they have in Norway?
lobo91 wrote:
I agree, there is definitely something lutefisky about all of this.
Rodan wrote:
I’m more concerned about the ones we have here.
See also: Organizing for America (formerly known as Organizing for Obama)
@ lobo91:
Good point.
Oh, bullshit. He was some sort of Jewish warrior, maybe? He saw the ruling Labor party as an enemy of his country, particularly on the immigration issue. Maybe he hated Jews/Israel, maybe he loved Jews/Israel – let me know when some hard evidence surfaces. Meanwhile, Occam’s Razor rules.
Sometimes there is no conspiracy and things indeed are what they appear to be. And you may proclaim this is no justification, but from here, it’s skating damned close to it.
Via TheBlaze we have this video.
So how did Obama’s bizarre, ignorant, immature, press conference workout for him? Approval is at -21.
pat wrote:
Geithner’s performance on Fox News Sunday certainly didn’t help their case.
Rodan! Checka U E-mail!
Rodan wrote:
Fishy…as in Quisling redux?
Israel aiding the victims.
OK, my link didn’t show up, will try again: http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=453
newsjunkie_ky wrote:
What, Hamas and Fatah weren’t there first ?
GTFO !
John Difool wrote:
I’m sure they wanted to help, but the evil Joooos wouldn’t let them…
I just wanted to take this brief moment to let the Scandis know they’re spelling ‘boycott’ wrong in the pic above.
John Difool wrote:
The word ‘boycott’ in Norwegian is spelled ‘boikott’.
Checked it with an online translator.
savage wrote:
Boycott is an English word named after Capt. Charles Boycott. Just because the Scandis used to be Vikings doesn’t mean they get to pillage the Queen’s English , God save her.
@ savage:
Uh, yeah…John?
(ENT whispers quietly)
They speak Norwegian in Norway.
Okay.
Carry on!
@ John Difool:
The Old Vikings took whatever they wanted; not too many Folks tried to stop them if I recall correctly…
@ John Difool:
I never knew that!
Thanks for that, John.
I learn something every day here at The Blogmocracy, I really do!
More open-minded liberal “tolerance” on display.
@ Et Norsk Troll:
I’m sure he was confused after seeing all the protest signs in places like Pakistan and Iran that always seem to be (poorly) written in English.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
Not too many of them left I’m afraid. As someone pointed out yesterday, whats left now are the descendants of those who stayed home and that includes both World Wars last century.
@ lobo91:
Hey, you know what would be cool. Chad The Ocho running into the endzone pulling a Sharpie from his waistband and getting Glenn Beck to sign his book.
Heads would asplode !!
@ John Difool:
LOL~!
I Love it.
What would it cost, though?
Doesn’t have to be Beck, either: a ‘look alike’ would yield the same Mega-tonnage.
@ John Difool:
Who knew there were NFL players who could read?
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John Difool wrote:
I saw the comment yesterday.
I live in Minnesota where the Vikings paid a visit long before Columbus set sail for the New World. There’s still a few Old Vikings running around here.
So glad to see you’re okay, Norsk Troll. If you hadn’t shown up you’d have been next on Comic Book Guy’s slander-list. (Not that this will stop the bastard, but hey.)
This has to be one bad weekend to be a Norseman, and a worse weekend to be a Norseman who comments in CounterJihad sites. Hang in there.
Et Norsk Troll wrote:
If he got Obama to sign ‘Dreams from My Bomber’ he would probably win a Nobel peace prize. Glenn beck signing his book would yield at least a 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 dollar fine and he would have to play out his remaining days in the CFL.
The reactions to his mention that he’s reading Beck’s book are telling, though.
Pretty typical lib attitude. 90% of the people who complain about him, or anyone else on the right, for that matter, have never actually read or watched anything but a few cherry-picked, out of context snippets.
God forbid they actually form an eductated opinion or something…
And…registration at the Swamp is now open, just so he can see who will sign up in light of all this.
Israel has nothing to do with what happened in Norway and I wish it had never been mentioned. No matter what the participants in that camp thought. It only muddies the water
@ swamprat:
Do other places have youth rallies against other countries? How about the college and university youth in the USA, who on a regular basis are organized to spew hate against US citizens who voice any anti-liberal opinions? Ann Coulter is the first who comes to mind. And Glenn Beck. And remember Dr.Laura Schlesinger? They’re still working on Palin, are getting warmed up for Bachmann. And look at the tactics of the SEIU. None of the above behaviors is isolated or spontaneous activity. It’s carefully planned to achieve the liberal goal of no opposition. The training starts in elementary schools, and continues in every venue of their lives over which those in power can wrest control.
Remember those little kids during the 2008 campaign – singing praises to their messiah Obama? With that picture in mine, jump to the photo with this article: liberal adults warping the minds of children – instructing them in the “finer” points of how to hate a group of people who think differently than they’re being trained to think.
And those poor kids on that island so brainwashed that they thought speaking nicely to their murderer would make him change his mind. How pathetic and intolerable that they assumed their murderer to be an actor “being” an Israeli shooting “Palestinians”.
And how pathetic and intolerable that no adult on that island, responsible for the welfare of those kids, was allowed to have a weapon. One adult protector with one sidearm could have saved many lives. When will liberals and socialists ever comprehend that gun-banning and pleading words will not stop a madman bent on using his murdering of their children as his ticket to hell?
@ Zimriel:
Yeah…I was kind of waiting for hCarles to start the ‘slime machine’ against me, too.
Not that I’m a big fan of Fjordman (too elitist for my tastes), but he did/does make good points.
Regrettably, I agree with a good portion of what the killer posted in his Youtube video. Where we part ways is the killing. Jesus forbids it and links killing to Satan who was ‘a murderer from the beginning’.
I have no truck with Satan or *ANY* of his ways. If people truly want to defeat Islam (a subsidiary of Satan’s Enterprises), then they should pray to God for its defeat…not slaughter innocent children and anonymous people.
Doing stuff like that is no better than the Islamic terrorists.
And I despise Islamic terrorists.
@ GGMac:
Generally, it happens about the time they become conservatives…
@ Et Norsk Troll:
Exactly.
As I said yesterday, I believe that the American left is deliberately destroying this country from the inside, and I own a good number of firearms.
It would never in a million years occur to me to drive over to UCCS and shoot up a meeting of the College Democrats, though.
newsjunkie_ky wrote:
Long time no see,welcome back!
This is interesting. I kind of thought the Norwegian maniac was a bit too groomed.
He pumped up, worked on his tan and then went to a “male’ salon to get some make-up applied before he began his ‘operation.’
He didn’t want to look like filthy jihadi who lived in a cave.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8658428/Norway-killer-Anders-Behring-Breiviks-grooming.html
GGMac wrote:
Whats just as disturbing is it took the police 90 minutes to get there to stop the rampage. Hardcore liberals believe only the police and military should be armed and this is what happens when you don’t believe the general populace should have the right to defend themselves.
Just one gun hidden away in a cabinet somewhere on that island could have saved many lives.
@ John Difool:
And not one of them will take that as the message from this event.
Instead, they’ll push for even more restrictions on legal gun ownership, as if that will have any effect whatsoever on criminals.
@ lobo91:
How true, how true.
Have been away for quite a while – are you safely back from the sandbox?
GGMac wrote:
Never went anywhere.
OT– Since the “Manifesto” is apparently a hoax, I’ve updated the previous OOT:
[UPDATE: APPARENTLY THE "MANIFESTO" IS A HOAX. Regardless, the point of this post still stands, that Charles Johnson assumed the paper to be legitimate (as did we and many others) and used it to attack other bloggers with charges of guilt-by-association. --Ed.]
@ lobo91:
Apologies – I’ve had you confused with someone else, apparently, and for over a year and a half have been praying for your safety in Afghanistan! Oh, well, God knows what we’re thinking/saying – even when we don’t!
Yes, they were kids and this was horrible…
I’d like to point out though, this was the first attack on the ruling class elite that is putting in place the suicidal Islamic immigration policies. In every Western country, the elite are protected from their immigration policies. Their children are protected. They and their families are not affected by the crimes, the inconveniences, the open threats.
And Norway is a rich country. No matter what happens after the rest of Europe tanks, Norway, like Canada, may still very well be a safe haven for every Muslim still looking to feed off a government tit. Norway’s ruling elite may still end up helping Norway commit national suicide. But this being a camp run for the next generation of the ruling elite, they will have felt some of the pain. It wasn’t a muslim that committed the barbaric acts, but the Norwegian elite still felt the wrath of what their suicidal plans have wrought. Unlike any of the other elites in any Western country.
But again, this was a horrible tragedy.
@ John Difool:
Yes – and another likely result would have been that whoever owned that gun would have been arrested. Enough to gag a maggot.
GGMac wrote:
I was supposed to go over there, but the bean counters cancelled my orders at the last minute because they decided it was too expensive to send me.
I’m heading to Kuwait in the near future as a contractor, instead.
@ Stateless_Infidel:
I remember the good ol’ days when we would spend most of our time at summercamp thinking about girls, trying to see girls in their underwear, thinking about girls and trying to see girls in their underwear, not playing Paliwood.
John Difool wrote:
Of course, your summer camp probably wasn’t sponsored by a political party, either…
John Difool wrote:
This was a political camp run by the ruling party. That is why this nut attacked it.
@ The Osprey:
Anabolic steroids can cause someone to develop a hair trigger temper.
@ lobo91:
So…prayer works!
And will continue.
lobo91 wrote:
Even worse, it was sponsored by the Young Mens
ChristianCreationist Association.mtc wrote:
See former pitchers Roger Clemens and Kevin Brown.
mtc wrote:
So can an overdose of Cheetos, I’m told…
Nevergiveup wrote:
Sorry for the comparison but with its virulent anti Israelism it is reminiscent of a Hitlerjugend camp circa 1938.
Speranza wrote:
I was gonna say yesterday that with all of the Hitler youth knives on that island surely they could have stopped that gunman, but I thought it was a bit too soon.
Speranza wrote:
If liberals want to act as asses and teach their offspring to be assholes, that is their chose. But it is nothing like the Jew hate during the Hitler period and Israel has no place in the discussion of this crime. Nor should this crime be used to promote or tear down any political side. This guy was a nut and he and only he is responsible for killing 93 innocent people.
Nevergiveup wrote:
They are so blindly entrenched in their ideology it never occurred to them that they were setting their kids up as targets. Some of them even ran up to the killer and did a Rachel Corrie, trying to impress him with their commitment to the palis, having no idea that would enrage him.
It is shocking how out of touch the ruling class is. Unaware what is brewing.
@ Nevergiveup:
Yep, he’s a nut just like Loughner. Now that his manifesto has proven to be a fake, just what are the authorities and the politico over in Norge hiding I wonder.
Could be nothing, but it’s got my Spidey sense a’tingling.
I’m not sure I’d exactly call him nuts either. In his perverted way, it was a logical choice.
Any attack against the Muslims just gathers sympathy for them, lets them play the guilt card in the future and the status quo goes on.
By hitting this camp, he attacked one of the heads of the hydra, striking back at the ruling elite continuing to let the Muslims in who are figuratively and literally raping their country. He found a weak spot and exposed many more.
And while we can say terrorism never works, we all know that’s a lie. It’s pretty damn effective which is why we don’t see many ‘Piss Mohammads’ in art galleries.
I don’t think he was nuts. Evil – sure. But also effective. Again, this was a terrible tragedy.
chickadee wrote:
I don’t think that is fair to say. As I said above if the liberals want to brain wash their kids, that is their problem. They were not setting their kids up as targets, but only as stooges. And the only responsible for this tragic crime was the nut who did it
The “manifesto” is a fake ? Who says so ?
Guggi wrote:
Disappointed are we?
There was a report this morning on FNC that the
shooter is freely admitting his actions to the police.
But he is denying criminal culpability.
If the report is true , he must have a warped idea
that killing those kids was somehow saving
Western Civilisation.
RIX wrote:
I read on Drudge this morning that the highest sentence Norway has for any crime is 21 years. Maybe that’s why he has no problem singing like a bird.
I hope that was a typo or a mistake because if it isn’t that place is even more fucked up than I imagined.
RIX wrote:
Has he retained Jose Baez yet?
John Difool wrote:
Yes I read something like that also
Nevergiveup wrote:
I was addressing their blind naivety. Not even questioning what their actions may be setting in motion.
They are so sure that their groveling to the muzz has insulated them from rop’er attack. End of story?
Obviously not. It never occurred to them that their own citizens might be reaching the end of their of their rope with the p.c. m.c. b.s. that is being forced on them.
I think this is a wake up call for all the elite prog rulers in europe. They better get ready.
Of course the maniac is the one responsible but it is so tragic that the elites in gov’t didn’t think to have armed guards to protect the kids isolated on the island. They were sitting ducks. It is heartbreaking.
I haven’t seen any direct evidence that this manifesto is a fake. I’ve posted at Daedalus that I want to see some big throbbing… timestamps. (Or lush and quivering timestamps. In this one I could go either way.)
@ Nevergiveup:
I saw a documentary on Netflix a few months back about the lead singer of a satanic death metal band in Norway who burned churches down and went on a killing spree. His prison cell looked better than a Holiday Inn Express complete with desk, laptop, mini-fridge, a cd player, and a comfy bed.
chickadee wrote:
No I disagree. Whether you agree or disagree with their political ideology or their niativity, a crime like this is only occured because of one sick bastard. He is responsible and he alone. Only a sick bastard would take a political disagreement to this extreme
mtc wrote:
Which would make sense of what he did. He let his ‘roid rage overcome tactical and political common sense.
If I were a European Anti-Jihadist/Anti-Multiculturalist who wanted to engage in a bit of “propaganda of the deed” I can think of half a dozen things to do right off the top of my head that would:
A. Strike fear into the hearts of the Muslims and cause them to lash out in a counterproductive rage.
B. Reveal the weakness of the Dhimmified West European Governments.
C. Encourage the Anti-Jihad movement and discourage the left.
Breivik only accomplished B, but not in a fashion that aids the Anti-Jihad movement. He accomplished the negative of C. This will be a propaganda coup for the left in the way that they hoped the Tucson shooter would be, I am afraid.
John Difool wrote:
Ya know I volunteer to go every sit ass Navy job that gets me out of the house and work for a few days so I can have some piece and quite in nice Holiday Inn Like room, so I hear where your coming from
John Difool wrote:
I dunno if I want to attract the Latino contigent’s ire here, but the most lulzy “prison” I recall was the one the Colombians housed Pablo Escobar in. It was basically a state-operated mansion, from which the druglord continued to run his operation.
Thank God for Uribe.
But yeah, the Scandinavian prison system was an international joke for many decades.
GJohn Difool wrote:
@ Zimriel:
The guy in Norway practically had a picture window in his cell with no bars on it and a nice view of a river with only one chain link surrounding the place and no it wasn’t a mental hospital.
This guy probably killed the sons/daughters of some pretty powerful people. I got a feeling his “incarceration” may not be so nice?
@ Zimriel:
Escobar’s prison was a jo0ke. I wish I had a prison like that!
Rodan wrote:
And how is Old Pablo looking now a days?
Nevergiveup wrote:
They’ll probably do something really awful to him like deny him lutefisk or tell him he can’t hang Edvard Munch’s ‘The Scream’ on his wall.
@ newsjunkie_ky:
Why aren’t the Arabs helping their Leftist allies out?
We need a little humor break.
LMAOBAMA.COM
@ Nevergiveup:
probably like worm meal.
@ Nevergiveup
I think that Jose Baez is occupied
Cutting book and movie deals for
his present client.
@ The Osprey:
I think it might also accomplish points A and C also.
Maybe it won’t cause the Muslims to lash out in a counterproductive rage but any Muslim in Norway, and in Europe, will have to take note that they were the reason this lone man rose up against his government. This one act won’t terrify them but one terrorist act alone is never frightening. Multiple acts though?
I think that depends on what kind of anti-jihad movement you’re thinking of encouraging. If you’re thinking of the peaceful, blogging, trying to change things through peaceful public opinion and elections, scared to be called islamophobic anti-jihadists, then, no, this will discourage that movement.
With this one horrific act though, he did discourage the left. He exposed many weaknesses in this one tragedy.
John Difool wrote:
No gjetost for you, Anders!
Nevergiveup wrote:
There is a thing called preparedness. Anticipating the unexpected. This could have been a muzz terrorist. And may well be in the future. My issue here is simple. That the ruling elite pols in europe are completely unaware of what kind of trouble is brewing in their own countries. Both from the muzz and their own oppressed unrepresented citizens. And that is because they are so blind to how massive muzz immigration is destroying the fabric of their societies.
They will not look at that. They just keep fcking that chicken.
Fundamentalist Christian Right-Wing Killer debunked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi3yn33s308&feature=player_embedded#at=143
Stateless_Infidel wrote:
Any attempt to make political hay out of this is misguided. This guy is a sick bastard:PERIOD
RIX wrote:
Maybe he will get 21 years for each murder.
Uh, oh, The Telegraph is reporting that Breivik had English accomplices from the EDL ( to be taken with a grain of salt of course):
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8658664/Hunt-for-Britons-linked-to-Norway-killer-Anders-Behring-Breivik.html
chickadee wrote:
This could have happened just as easily here in the USA and I am surprised it has not actually. And any attempt to use this incident to push any agenda is bound to back fire.
chickadee wrote:
NO
@ The Osprey:
I like this one.
@ chickadee:
I doubt it, pretty sure the Norge use their prison system as an indoctrination just like they’re youth camps. Once he converts to the left he will be forgiven of all sins and deemed cured.
See ‘A Clockwork Orange’ and ’1984′.
lobo91 wrote:
There are too many good ones for me to chose a favorite!
Check out the caption contests on there.
Nevergiveup wrote:
The killer was politically motivated. It is all abt. politics. You can not discuss this hideous attack with out addressing the political angle.
I don’t think the horror of it is lost on anyone. I couldn’t sleep last night thinking abt. those kids being slaughtered like sheep and no one to protect them.
Nevergiveup wrote:
Yeah, he was. But I don’t think chickadee is incorrect in saying…
Western Europe is in decline. To expect it to be a smooth ride down is naive….
chickadee wrote:
Normal people expressed their political difference at the ballot box. Associating a nut like this and his actions with a discussion of today’s issues only muddies the water and makes fools out of everyone involved
pat wrote:
I hope he gets to speak before he has a “mishap” in prison.
@ Nevergiveup:
I’m not pushing an agenda. Just making some observations.
Nevergiveup wrote:
selrahC are you paying attention?
chickadee wrote:
I just think it is very dangerous and misguided to draw any examples and or conclusions from the act of a madman.
chickadee wrote:
he was a Free mason, and like it was pointed out by me and a few others yesterday that doesn’t gell with being a fundie Christian or hardcore right-wing. I’ll bet this guy has close connections to very elite he attacked and they are in cya mode right now.
@ chickadee:
I wonder if they can run terms consecutively
in Norway?
So 21 years for each of what 90 counts?
A long time, but beats life./
@ Nevergiveup:
You know who is pushing this for political gain.
RIX wrote:
They don’t
Rodan wrote:
Yeah I can imagine. And just as it is wrong for him and the left to do that, it’s also wrong for those of us more rational people to make the other argument on the other side
Rodan wrote:
The Chubby Cheeto Cruncher of Culver City?
@ Nevergiveup:
Yes, normal people do express themselves at the ballot box in normal situations. And you’re right in that it’s impossible, wrong, immoral, whatever in trying to put a political spin on this.
The action is what it is.
But, given all of the reports out of Europe the last several years, and correctly or incorrectly believing that I understand what’s going on in Europe, I was more surprised that Amy Winehouse died this weekend than this tragedy.
@ Nevergiveup:
You could say the same thing about any political assassin, though.
That’s really what this was, after all. He just chose a symbolic target instead of going directly after an elected official.
John Difool wrote:
Read it. The Torygraph is off base.
First it says “in touch with the EDL” and then later it has to admit that it was only “conversations” with its “members”. I expect the guy emailed a few of the leaders and got politely brushed off. The EDL is paranoid about there being extremism in its ranks, as it should be. Same with the BNP, these days; but Breivik pointedly avoided them.
It doesn’t make sense how the EDL would want this headache, after spending so much time distancing itself from the BNP and even worse people.
Rodan wrote:
He’s got the curtains drawn tight at the Culver City Compound today, and is looking out his front door peephole for signs of Vlaams Belang.
We are All Israelis Now.
Does anyone else notice the similarity between President Obama’s approach to the debt ceiling “negotiations” and his ukase to Israel about negotiating from the starting point of agreeing to a “Palestinian” state within the 1967 pre-war borders?
Obama told the Israelis that they had to accept as a starting-place for negotiations something which the Israelis, if willing to agree to at all, are only prepared to accept as a negotiation end-point. In other words, Obama wanted the Israelis to begin by relinquishing all the points of debate.
His approach to the Republicans in Congress is the same. He is not prepared to negotiate on anything which differs from his end vision—and considers that end vision to be the starting point for any sort of budget negotiation. There is nothing to negotiate over because he will not accept anything less than full capitulation.
lobo91 wrote:
Yes it was a political assination, but my point is that neither side should exploit this tragedy for political gain or to bolster their arguments. As I said that is bound to back fire
@ Zimriel:
Which is why I put that disclaimer in my post.
Nevergiveup wrote:
No it isn’t. How else do you protect yourself from some pos like that. Especially in the hate fueled political climate we are living in today. To pretend that such monsters aren’t out there and you can’t do anything is absurd.
I think are missing my point. I just find it extremely tragic that p.c insanity is destroying the ability of people to think rationally and stay alive.
The minute I saw that photo of the remote island where those kids were completely trapped without
any security, my blood ran cold.
The Osprey wrote:
Chunk has an excellent defense against those Vlaams Belang hit-men:
@ John Difool: IIRC, the Norwegian Black Metal guy also recorded several albums in prison, and got an extra year added to his sentence when he didn’t return to prison from “leave” and they caught him in a stolen car with guns and such. He ended up serving like 15 years out of the 21 year sentence.
@ Nevergiveup:
I disagree with dismissing him as a “nut,” though.
Jared Loughner was a nut. So was John Hinckley. Neither of them acted rationally.
I don’t see any evidence that this guy was delusional, though. He was trying to make a point, and he made it.
John Difool wrote:
Kevlar moobs?
@ John Difool:
Why the frak did they have to ruin a perfectly good Dixon Hill milieu?
Nevergiveup wrote:
You did not read what I wrote. A summer camp dedicated to the pushing an agenda whose end result is the destruction of the Jewish state is an abomination before man and God. Did you notice one of the slogans was “Tear Down The Wall” i.e. the security fence which would make suicide bombing an easy thing to do? That to me is a call for genocide but that’s just me.
@ The Osprey:
ROFLMAO!
lobo91 wrote:
Anybody that intentional kills 93 innocent people is a nut in my book. Just as Casey Anthony is a nut. To varying degrees they both are and evil to the core
@ The Osprey:
Yeah I’m shocked he hasn’t blames Ron Paul yet.
Speranza wrote:
Maybe MI5 should pay a call on Roger Waters too?
@ The Osprey:
He’ll deploy his MOAB weapon:
* Mother Of All Boobs
Macker wrote:
An embittered washed up bass player? I would not waste my time.
Speranza wrote:
I don’t think it’s a call to genocide. They and their parents ( and mostly their parents) are just ignorant morons who have no idea what they are talking about and I think that kind of comparison cheapens what the Nazis really did.
@ Nevergiveup:
We shouldn’t try anyone for murder, then. They should all be put into psychiatric facilities, by your logic.
Stateless_Infidel wrote:
I think I was too actually.
Europe is going to erupt like wildfire at some point.
@ Nevergiveup:
I agree.
Rodan wrote:
He’s going to write an expose claiming that Ron Paul’s real name is Rønald Påulsen.
lobo91 wrote:
Hey I’m no liberal. Where did I say a nut should not be held fully responsible for their actions. Screw the insanity defense
btw, what happened to “Helpers of the Global Jihad,’ who took credit for the bombing?
Are they still in the mix or did the Norwegian ‘Christian,’ do it all?
Nevergiveup wrote:
Speaking of holding nuts responsible for their actions, the FDA has now ruled that walnuts are a drug.
See ya
From a letter to the editor at The Jerusalem Post regarding Shimon Peres’s calling of Norway “A land of peace”.
So, there is no proof at all that the “manifesto” is a fake.
Rodan wrote:
Ron Paul!
Well, I’ll catch you all on the BlogMocRadio show, got to make a run to the grocery store. I’m thinking of going to Whole Foods for one of their free range roasted chickens. Anybody want some arugula? You’ll have to pony up, I hear that stuff’s expensive these days!
LOL.
@ lobo91:
I read his manifesto. The person who wrote it was an intelligent, historically accurate individual. The issue is he to took his legitimate gripes and observations to another level.
What lobo #156 said. Breivik chose not to think of the human cost of his ideals. When a Leftist chooses not to worry about all those extra people in his way, Pol Pot is what happens. When a Bismarckian Nationalist makes that choice, you get Germany in 1934.
@ Speranza:
I condemn this attack. But I also condemn the hate being taught at this camp.
You can be against both.
Guggi wrote:
The manifesto borrowed quite gratuitously from the Unabomber’s manifesto who we all know was a hardcore reich-wing Christian fundamentalist.
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@ Guggi:
It seemed legitimate to me.
@ chickadee:
Yeah reading your posts, I think you and I are kind of on the same page. I agree with everything you’ve posted You were more horrified than I was though.
You’re right about the elite in Europe being unprepared for what they’ve sown.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
OMG, I bet this is sasquatch’s doing.
She probably doesn’t like nuts because she thinks they are fattening.
And fck the ignorant FDA. Human beings have been eating nuts for thousands of years starting with hunting and gathering societies. They are nutritious, tasty, healthy, and the fat is natural.
A great food source. And they have to mess with it.
The Osprey wrote:
Eat your peas. Tear off the Band-Aid.
The Osprey wrote:
Get some nuts while you’re there. You can get a lb. roasted and lightly salted for $4.95.
@ Nevergiveup:
Going to disagree. Their parenst know very well what they are doing. They view Islam as some 3rd World liberation force and Israel as some Colonialist endeavor. They would celebrate the destruction of Israel (god forbid).
They are not naive, Progressives are evil.
Rodan wrote:
I doubt most of them have any idea what Israel, The Middle East, or Islam really is. Oh they think they do, but they don’t.
@ Nevergiveup:
That the root of the Left’s problem. This love affair with Islam and they view it as some positive force. Whether its Israel, Lebanese Christians or anyone else, they support the Islamic side. They really believe its a force for good.
On a plus side, Greece is spending 15 million Euros to build a mosque.
After the economic collapse, I can almost hear the nationals of every European nation joining in a large multi-lingual chorus of “Kumbaya” with their Muslim neighbours.
This’ll all end swell!
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I have no comment!
@ Stateless_Infidel:
As a mother I’m horrified. Sick to my stomach thinking abt. those kids trying to run or hide from that monster. And sick at the way the mfm is shouting and running breathlessly with the “Bad Christian, Bad Christian” meme. And knowing that if it had been a muzz, they would be somber, respectful and dignified in their speech and of course admonish us to not forget it is the religion of peace, though 93 were slaughtered.
lobo91 wrote:
Not only that, but you have to give him credit that for a one-man operation this was a masterpiece of planing, preparations, and finally execution of the plan. This wasn’t a ‘nut’ doing a drive-by-shooting. This was a Norwegian mini-Mumbai.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
That’s a bridge too far and a slip of the mask by the Statists.
That’s not just ridiculous, it’s “Europe” ridiculous.
It’s a panicked reaction by a group of people that looked at a breakthrough in treatment with a commonplace, wild-growing, and plentiful product and managed to be SCARED by it because they’d have absolutely no CONTROL over it.
UNESCO declares Maimonides a Muslim.
@ Bumr50:
And I forgot to mention incredibly foolish.
If they want to wake a large part of their base up to their nefarious intentions, they should keep going after natural, homeopathic, and herbal remedies.
John Difool wrote:
ding, ding, ding “We have a winner!”
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Any news yet on Neil Armstrong?
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Maimonidies was as Muslim as I am a martian. What crock!
Incidentally, UNESCO held a giant Rambam conference in 1985 in honour of 850th anniversary of his birth. How would they like to explain the inscription on his tombstone-”From Moses to Moses, none has arisen like Moses”. I presume they would have to change that to Mousa but has there been any famous Mousa before?
Bumr50 wrote:
yeah… duuude… like… free the plants man. ;^)
@ Lost:
They claim Neil Armstrong was a Muslim a swell. But it’s a lie.
@ Rodan:
@ Rodan:
I never heard that. I suppose it’s the Muslims’ way of trying to claim that they own the Moon.
@ chickadee:
The maniac is responsible for the murders; but who created the maniac?
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I’m not joking!
@ buzzsawmonkey:
considering their affection for the crescent, I could understand why.
When is the blogmoc on?
@ Lost:
8:30 EST, in about 40 minutes.
@ Rodan:
Thanks, Rodan.
I am off work so I am going to try and call in.
Here’s Armstrong denying he’s a Muslim.
P 04085 0Z MAR 83 ZEX
FM SECSTATE WASHD C
TO ALL DIPLOMATIC AND CONSULAR POSTS PRIORITY
BI
UNCLAS STATE 056309
FOLLOWING REPEAT SENT ACTION ALL EAST ASIAN AND
PACIFIC DIPLOMATIC POSTS DTD MAR 02.
QUOTE: UNCLAS STATE 056309
E.O. 12356: N/A
TAGS: PREL, PGOV, US, ID
SUBJECT: ALLEGED CONVERSION OF NEIL ARMSTRONG TO ISLAM
———————————————
REF: JAKARTA 3281 AND 2374 (NOT ..)
1. FORMER ASTRONAUT NEIL ARMSTRONG, NOW IN PRIVATE
BUSINESS, HAS BEEN THE SUBJECT OF PRESS REPORTS IN
EGYPT, MALAYSIA AND INDONESIA (AND PERHAPS ELSEWHERE)
ALLEGING HIS CONVERSION TO ISLAM DURING HIS LANDING ON
THE MOON IN 1969. AS A RESULT OF SUCH REPORTS,
ARMSTRONG HAS RECEIVED COMMUNICATIONS FROM INDIVIDUALS
AND RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS, AND A FEELER FROM AT LEAST
ONE GOVERNMENT, ABOUT HIS POSSIBLE PARTICIPATION IN
ISLAMIC ACTIVITIES.
2. WHILE STRESSING HIS STRONG DESIRE NOT TO OFFEND
ANYONE OR SHOW DISRESPECT FOR ANY RELIGION, ARMSTRONG
HAS ADVISED DEPARTMENT THAT REPORTS OF HIS CONVERSION
TO ISLAM ARE INACCURATE.
3. IF POST RECEIVE QUERIES ON THIS MATTER, ARMSTRONG
REQUESTS THAT THEY POLITELY BUT FIRMLY INFORM QUERYING
PARTY THAT HE HAS NOT CONVERTED TO ISLAM AND HAS NO
CURRENT PLANS OR DESIRE TO TRAVEL OVERSEAS TO
PARTICIPATE IN ISLAMIC RELIGOUS ACTIVITIES.
Rodan wrote:
In Yeager: An Autobiography by Chuck Yeager one finds that Yeager had a very low opinion of Neil Armstrong and NASA’s “Man in a can Program”. He saw an astronaut as nothing more then an expensive replacement for a monkey…
Lost wrote:
Pissant loons love crescent moon.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
…or a pig?
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Either one. Yeager was 100% into flying, that’s all he wanted to do.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
Chuck was a well known insufferably arrogant bastard whom I have been told my Grandfather (who flew with Eddie Rickenbacker in the 94th Aero Squadron during WWI and retired as the Commandant of the 94th Aero Squadron in 1958) had absolutely no use for what so ever.
Nevergiveup wrote:
There is one conclusion I will make, based solely on observable facts:
As a means of protecting the civilian population from violence, GUN CONTROL DOES NOT WORK.
Rodan wrote:
Yup.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Walnuts feature prominently in Serbian cuisine.
1389AD wrote:
Gun Control, as defined by us rednecks, means being able to hit what you are shooting at, period, end of story.
doriangrey wrote:
Outside of the fact that the World is full of insufferably arrogant bastards and that they can be found anywhere one looks; what’s your point.
I had better hear a *LOT* of the ‘we need to understand why this was done to us‘ babbling from the Left, like was done after 9/11.
After 9/11, every liberal and his friend explored every way possible that America was responsible for causing the Muslim Jihadis to strike…
…now I want to see them genuflect on why they provoked Anders to strike.
Good for the goose, good for the gander, says I.
I have a few suggestions:
“What is it that we have done to deserve being bombed and our children shot to death?”
“What policies should we change so that we don’t offend the World’s Right?”
“What kind of submissive dialog should we engage in with the Right so this kind of thing doesn’t happen again”.
Add your own, Blogmocracy Community. You have my permission.
Et Norsk Troll wrote:
One thing I’ll bet on right now is that this attack will increase the tensions between the ‘Right’ and the ‘Left’. The hate is going to grow…
Rodan you really should read this. Really. You should.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/04/AR2011030406166.html
Awaiting moderation? lol Rodan I really hope you see the link I posted. It sounds like words right out of YOUR mouth.
@ NoThreat2U:
I freed it
GGMac wrote:
Good point, the left is getting a tragic lesson in reality-you can’t reason with bullets! If the bad guy is trying to kill you you need to try and kill him first.
Appeasement has always been one of my biggest pet peeves of the left.
lobo91 wrote:
I dunno Lobo. However rational or lucid he seemed on his way to an irrational conclusion doesn’t add up to sane for me. Loughner/Hinckley and Breivik/ McViegh just 2 sides of the same bent coin.
With the toll he ran up though, dismissing any part of it is impossible.
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@ 139 buzzsawmonkey: Obama has already pre negotiated the deal out for his opponents so they don’t have to do any of the work. Nice guy…
“Now before anyone gets it twisted, I am NOT justifying this lunatic’s attack. Killing 9o kids in cold blood, is never justified. I am not explain why they thought the shooting at first was mimicking what they claim Israel does in Gaza. They were being brainwashed at this Progressive indoctrination camp. In his twisted mind, the shooter thought he was fighting evil. That is why this camp was targeted.”
It sure puts another light on it. Brings up al ot of questions. Makes you ask who really is responsible here – and in part the answer is – adults who impose their adult issues on kids. Who teach hate. Who give their kids into what may be the equivalent of a Hitler Youth Camp.
If you could go back in time and stop the Hitler Youth Camps, would you? Would we? What would we do?
Seems like all the info is not in – but the statements that the kids did not react when they saw him because they thought he was part of the “training” is very disturbing.
Why are all the pictures of him so PERFECT? Like movie pics. Very clean.
@ Poteen:
In both of these cases, the perpetrators planned out their attacks carefully, allowed themselves to be captured, and have not disavowed their actions.
While we may not agree with what they did, or why the did it, they were rational acts.
Loughner and Hinckley, on the other hand, were both delusional. Their actions were completely irrational.
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