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A Full Test Of My Anger Management Skills, Watching Our President Address The Nation.

by Flyovercountry ( 143 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Economy, Election 2008, Elections 2010, Elections 2012, Politics, Republican Party, Tea Parties at July 26th, 2011 - 2:30 pm

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httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyG0kFCx-qE

Last night, President Obama addressed the nation for the 5th time in 3 weeks.  I decided to take some notes this time, and found myself growing angry.  I was angered by his complete ignorance on how an economy works, by his half truths and partial fabrications, by his misleading statements and by some bald faced lies that he told.  As the video is above, I have given some partial time indexing to his speech so that you might be able to follow along, but be careful, I wouldn’t want any of you to lose control of your blood pressure as you listen to the Snake Oil Salesman in Chief spin his web of deceit.

The first minute:  We start off by referencing the budget surplus of 2000.  The concept of a supposed budget surplus has been discredited so many times by myself and others that quite frankly it is becoming more than tedious.  Yet, no matter how many times the President and Democrat leaders are busted pitching this meme, it is repeated over and over again.  His very next statement is that we spent this money on, “risky tax cuts for the rich.”  There are a couple of points I wish to make here.  First off, tax cuts of any kind are not the same as spending.  Those tax rate cuts actually produced higher revenues for the government to use.  The concept also assumes that the Clinton tax rates are somehow a default position for the level of taxation our nation is supposed to be maintaining.  Since Clinton actually increased the rates of taxation over those set up during the Reagan Administration, wouldn’t that be considered a Clinton tax rate increase, and then what happened under Bush 43 was just a partial reversal of the Clinton rate hike?  This statement also assumes that whatever Americans earn is as a matter of principle property of the Federal Government, and any amount of money not taxed is money Washington has graciously allowed us to keep.  Barack Obama then told us how the man he succeeded in office had involved us in frivolous wars.  Well, that we will never forget stuff only took a decade to see us forget.  We were viciously attacked on September 11, 2001.  Afghanistan was a necessary war to be waged against those who sought to destroy America.  In fact, Barack Obama himself campaigned on the idea that the war in Afghanistan was our, “just and necessary war.”  Calling it frivolous at this point is dishonest.  The war in Iraq, I will admit is more controversial.  I will state here that I agree with our use of force there, and still believe this war to be something which needed to happen.  It also happens that a vast majority of the people in this country agreed with me at the time, and most especially those political leaders who are now claiming that they were against it the whole time.  Before anyone gets on their high horse and starts in with the Bush lied crap again, let me remind you that President William Jefferson Clinton stated claims about Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction in no fewer than 5 of his State of The Union Addresses.  The Congressional Authorization for the war in Iraq was actually delayed for the express purpose of allowing the Democrat lawmakers time to get themselves on the record in support of the war.  Just as an aside, when will President Obama obey United States Law and ask Congress for the authorization to use force in Libya?  Next Barack went on to say that the deficit he inherited was on track to top $1 Trillion.  This is simply a bald faced lie, as Bush’s most egregious deficit was $450 Billion.  Granted, that is way beyond reasonable, also remember it included the Tarp Bailout of $757 Billion which Senator Obama voted in favor of.  (Just for fun, go back to your recorded Obama speeches from 2007 and 2008 to get an idea of what Candidate Obama said about budget deficits.)  Then we got to hear about the Keynesian Theory of how a recession required more spending to spur economic growth.  It is important to note that Maynard Keynes always considered his explanation of his economic theory to FDR to be his greatest mistake.  His belief that it allowed politicians to become irresponsible under the guise of doing economic good turned out to be prophetic words indeed.  Keynes advocated a very limited deficit spending in the private sector only and not the public works ripoffs we see today.  The, “infrastructure investment,” inflicted upon us by President Obama and his minions have had the exact same effect that they have had each and every time they have been tried, zero positive effect on the economy.  In fact, they have only ever served to make things worse.  Our limited resources are used to subsidize goods and services which are not needed or wanted by most citizens, and the result is that only the few chosen recipients of the government contracts turn out to be benefited in any way.  Then the President told us how the stimulus saved jobs.  Well, how fitting for this President, he needed to create his own class of measure to give the illusion of success.  Never before had the concept of a saved job been used in the American Lexicon.  Just a brief reminder here, the unemployment skyrocketed after Obama’s stimulus debacle.

The Second Minute:  Then the President gave us this little gem, a little bit of demagoguery.  He told us that failure to raise the debt ceiling would cause a default, which is not at all true.  Not making our interest payments would cause a default, which actually happened once before during the Carter Presidency by the way, and we are all still here.  If the debt ceiling is not raised, Congress and the Executive Branch will still be able to meet our debt obligations with the $2.5 Trillion in revenue which we currently send to Washington every year.  Any default on our debt at that point would be expressly the decision of the Executive Branch, meaning the President himself.  He also further asserted that this would cause our interest rates to, “skyrocket,”  and for runaway inflation to occur.  The simple truth is that the Quantitative Easing program being instituted by Obama, Geitner, and Bernanke is already going to have this effect. In fact, the beginnings of this are already creeping into our view.  Remember the Carter years?  Well shockingly, the replay of Jimmy Carter’s policies will have the exact same effect on our economy as they did the last time.  President Obama’s printing of currency will have the disastrous effects on the economy as he claims failure to take on increased debt would have.  This is just the Huckster in Chief’s way of pinning the blame for his horrid economic record on something other than his horrid economic policies.  Next he told us of the importance of further infrastructure to somehow create more jobs.  I must at this point ask a question.  When, in our nation’s history has this ever worked?  Can you name a single time when public works projects has actually served to increase overall employment?  Why on Earth are we still listening to anyone who speaks of, “investment in infrastructure,” as a means to spur economic growth with any seriousness at all?

Third minute, but tied for first as most egregious minute:  He started this minute off by telling us how the Republican politicians have been unreasonable and unwilling to go along with any of his plans, but I would like to point out here that in his entire Presidency, Barack Obama has not offered anything resembling a budget nor a plan to attack our debt.  I have not seen a President so intent on avoiding any sort of a role in leadership at any point in my lifetime.  All this President does is to give speeches, and this is all he wishes to do.  His leading by following philosophy is perplexing, and also not really all that good for the country.  As it happens, we actually do need an administrative leader to attend to the nation’s business.  He is claiming that he is proposing serious cuts in spending, which would actually make me laugh if it did not anger me so.  Try to follow me here.  First off, he has proposed nothing at all, let alone serious cuts in spending.  Secondly, just about 3 months ago, he claimed on T.V. once again that we needed to take a scalpel to our spending problem and not a machete.  So, President Obama, which is it, serious cuts or a scalpel?  Thirdly, after increasing discretionary spending by a whopping 83% over 2 years time, anything short of a 50% decrease in discretionary spending is nothing more than a sick joke on the American People.  Then we get to it, the only actual spending cuts advocated by liberals ever, the cuts of, “hundreds of billions of dollars from defense.”  We’re going to put this next statement in bold face, just to emphasize the point.  Defense spending is the only spending specifically mentioned in the Constitution of the United States as being necessary for the protection of her citizens. Then we get to our old friends, waste and fraud.  We apparently are going to save money by eliminating waste and fraud.  Just a simple question here, why would we not already be saving this money?  Are you actually telling me Mr. President that waste and fraud were O.K. prior to the debt debate?  Didn’t you already campaign on stopping waste and fraud during your Presidential bid to become our Chief Executive?  Then the President told us that his nonexistent plan was designed to save Medicare and Medicaid, and that the Cut, Cap, and Balance plan would destroy those programs, when in fact the opposite is true.  Were you ready for more demagoguery?  Well too bad, because it was time to mention those loopholes and special deductions for the greedy corporate fat cats again.  Rounding out minute number three was our old friend the corporate jets, a special tax credit actually put into place by a Democrat majority as an effort to get Americans flying again.  Doing the math on this little baby, we find that closing this tax credit down, and charging a back tax on frequent flyers dating back to the birth of Jesus, (pretending that they were flying with the same regularity for the last 2011 years of course, you know, since the Obama plan depends on magic anyhow,) we would be able to cover about 12 hours worth of deficit spending by the President.  You liberals might be a lot shocked to know that we conservatives are against tax credits and special deductions.  It is a game being played to pick favorites based on certain government approved behaviors and an affront to the free market system.  We want a simple to understand tax rate, to be paid by everyone with the same rules to be applied to everyone.  This would mean that GE. a company who did not pay a dime in income taxes for fiscal year 2010 would not have been given huge credits for producing the cfl light bulbs we do not want and then forcing us to purchase in place of the incandescent bulbs we do want.  They also would not have received those credits for producing those subsidized windmills which produce more expensive and far less reliable energy, which by the way is far more dangerous than nuclear power.  (Over the last decade, there have been 47 deaths caused by the GE windmills, and zero deaths caused by nuclear power.)  By the way, who is President Obama to determine how much each individual citizen should sacrifice, and where is Obama’s sacrifice?  He told us all in March of 2009 that we should save on gas by taking staycations rather than vacations, and his family is flying family and friends to Spain for their children’s birthday parties.  All in all, he claims his plan, which actually does not exist yet, will give us $4 Trillion in deficit reductions over the next decade.  The problem is that the CBO can not even score his statement as by their own words, “we don’t score speeches.”  I’ve seen this movie before.  Even if he were to offer specifics, we are well past the time where accounting tricks and gimmicks would be helpful, even in the slightest sense of the word.

Minute number four:  He started this minute off by telling us that spending cuts would be a drag on the economy.  The opposite is true.  How many times must we prove it?  When the government spends money, it is money confiscated by the private sector.  The people who had their money taken will have less to spend on what they need and want.  This is nothing more than our old friend the broken window fallacy disguised as pretty rhetoric and grown fat beyond recognition.  He claimed that spending cuts would be a burden to small businesses.  That’s a real laugher, since it is the onerous regulation and red tape implemented by President Obama and his Administration which have been assaulting the small business owners in this country.  Not a week passes by that I do not see an op-ed written by a small business owner absolutely ripping President Obama for his disastrous policies.  His claim that he enjoys bi-partisan support is just plain silliness.  first of all, as stated previously, he has made not one proposal at all to even achieve bi-partisan support, and in fact, the Cut, Cap, and Balance plan actually had more than a couple of Democrat defectors voting for it in the House.  Every Republican Senator voted for it in the Senate, where President Obama claims to have his bi-partisan support.  As it turns out, Politico reported that the Boehner plan actually had Harry Reid’s support prior to Obama nixing the deal.  Later of course, Reid gave a speech calling it the worst piece of legislation he had ever seen.  That is what I would call political grandstanding.  To round out minute number 4, Barack Obama asserted that a lack of willingness to capitulate to his demands was equal to his being the only reasonable person left in the room.  Just as a suggestion to the President, maybe his cause would be helped if he actually ever proposed a budget or submitted anything with specificity.

Fifth Minute:  As a personal note here, thank goodness the GOP politicians, after years of lacking, are showing an actual backbone.  My message to them, don’t give in, not one inch on this.  It is time for this nonsense to end.  Barack Obama picked this point in his speech to tell us that corporations and our top wage earners are in fact not contributing anything to our revenues.  A little fun fact here.  The top 1% of wage earners pay 40% of our total tax revenues.  Half of our country, pays nothing.  Corporations pay taxes as well, and in fact, much of that money is double taxed.  This double taxation occurs when a company pays taxes on its profit, and then when a dividend is paid to shareholders, they are taxed on the income.  I agree that the gimmicky tax credits used to promote a governmentally approved behavior, but a fairer and flatter, and vastly simplified tax structure is anther discussion entirely.  His assertion that spending cuts would create undue burden on our economy is just plain silliness.  The burden is created by increased confiscation of our government and increased intrusion into the free market system.  Next, little Barry Obama felt is necessary to tell us all how we were incapable of understanding all of this debt limit discussion anyway.  We should just let the smarter folks who completely screwed things up deal with it and not worry so much about the details.    to round up minute number 5, he harped once again on private jet owners, and added a new group for us to be jealous of and hate, the reviled hedge fund managers, (most of whom by the way live outside of the jurisdiction of the U.S. and are therefore conveniently beyond the socialist reach of B. Hussein Obama.)

Sixth minute:  There was some more whining about tax credits and such, which of course the bulk of that silliness came from his side of the aisle anyway.  He then said the single most dishonest thing of the entire speech.  He gave a litany of things which we all feel the government is justified in spending.  Why is it that it is always the vital services which the left threatens to cut when confronted with a tightening of the belt?  Soldiers pay, fire, police, veterans benefits, social security, our debt.  Realize, that if the ceiling is reached, and the credit card turned off, our government will still have $2.5 Trillion to spend.  This is ample to cover those expenditures.  In fact, we could keep the entire shebang of the vital services, if we were only to give up the Social Welfare State.  There is the rub, once this happens, it is up to the Executive Branch to set the spending priority.  If those things are cut, it will be because Barack Obama decided to do it.  His claim that 98% of Americans would see no tax increase under his nonexistent plan is as much a lie today as when he first posited this in 2008.  Since that time, the middle class has been saddled with the single largest tax increase in history.

Seventh minute:  The statement that the wealthy have pitched in every time they have been asked is beyond dishonest, it is evil.  (Not all wealthy people are evil, nor even any of them, but just follow me on this.)  Wealth in this country is not taxed, income is taxed.  The Warren Buffets and Steven Jobs of the world have teams of accountants showing them how to shelter their wealth and incomes derived from wealth from tax consideration.  Warren Buffet in fact has no taxable wage for running his company beyond $1.  His income is derived from a qualified dividend on Berkshire Hathaway Stock which dividends at about $20,000 per share.  He uses the most complex system of tax loss harvesting, trusts, foundations, etc. known to man kind in order to shield him from whatever changes are made for the rest of us.  There should be a special tax levied on those who have benefited from the very best the free market system had to offer and then decide to advocate that the rest of us be robbed of the opportunities which worked so well for them.  Besides, all empirical evidence of the last hundred years or so show that increases in the top marginal rates of taxation actually result in the top brackets paying a lower percentage of the overall tax revenue collected.  Thomas Sowell has done an excellent job in documenting this.  He invoked Reagan here, and I almost threw a table through the T.V.  Beyond the fact that he flat out lied about his Reagan quote, and stated that Reagan advocated tax increases, there is not a single point anywhere on the political spectrum where Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama meet.  The continued attempt of Obama to portray himself as Reagan is simply the single most transparent piece of political dishonesty ever to have occurred outside of the Soviet Union.

Minute number 8, also tied for the most egregious minute of the speech:  Our problems are not tied to the debt ceiling, they are tied to the debt.  The ratings agencies by the way, for anyone bothering to read their statements made it very clear, they don’t care at all where we determine our arbitrary debt ceiling, but rather whether or not we will be able to meet our obligations.  This entire minute was a huge lie, and worse, it assumes we are all stupid people.  He stated that raising the debt ceiling would not allow Congress to  spend any more money, but rather simply allow them to meet our current obligations.  This lie is in fact so bold, I find it difficult to even address it.  Yes, increasing the debt ceiling would allow congress to borrow more money in our name, and continue the ridiculous amount of spending beyond our means.  They would be able to meet our obligations if that ceiling were not raised, and it would be the President’s sole decision as to whether our obligations were met after that or not.  He made the statement that in the past, raising the debt ceiling was routine.  I feel a quote from little Barry Obama, as a U.S. Senator during a similar discussion in 2006 is in order.

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

Something else to consider here.  Since the Eisenhower Administration, our total debt, while it has grown over the years, and while I would not consider this to be good, has been maintained at around 30% to 35% of our GDP.  It has remained somewhat reasonable.  Under Barack Obama’s stewardship, the total debt has doubled as a percentage of our GDP.  It now stands at a staggering 70% of our annual economic output.  This one fact alone does make this years debt debate  a far different thing than previous debates.  Once again, he mentioned that we won’t be able to pay our bills, which is a complete lie.  Once again, Barack Obama would have the power of executive decision making to determine how the $2.5 Trillion would be spent.  Any decision to default or cut off Social Security or anything else would be President Obama’s alone.

The ninth minute:  This gave us another round of threats to discontinue our vital services and more threats to seniors.  He then used the credit rating agencies, and something struck me odd about the whole thing.  Something beyond the little reported on fact the the agencies have in fact already downgraded us, and in fact Pimco, one of our creditors, has already cut us off.  A couple of years ago, every Democrat and his uncle were screaming about these same ratings firms and their complete whiffs on Enron, Worldcom, Lehman Bros. Bear Stearns.  All of these examples maintained triple A ratings 1 week prior to their collapses.  All of the deleterious effects rattled off by the President during this minute are the result of mounting debt and not any arbitrary limit we impose upon that debt.  I do agree with the President that default would be reckless, but that decision would rest squarely with Obama, and he is using his possible decision as a well placed threat upon our conscious.  This is far from helpful or even adult like.

Minute number ten:  Now we get down to the real reason for his political grandstanding.  He is accusing the Republicans of kicking the can 6 months down the road rather than the 15 months he wishes to kick the can down the road.  In his 15 month scenario, he would be able to avoid this issue until after his reelection bid in November of next year.  It is all about Barack Obama after all.  The Republicans are kicking the can down the road until the regularly scheduled due date for the next fiscal budget.  What probably has the President confused about this is the fact that the Democrats were not really vigilant in Constitutional requirement to produce an annual budget.  In fact, during their entire 4 years in control of the House, they failed to produce a single budget. The fiscal 2011 budget proposed and denied was the first proposed budget in 4 years.  It is not the Republican House members fault that the President and the Democrat controlled Senate refused to even consider the budget.  I’m just spitballing here, but perhaps today’s problems are somehow related to the refusal to impose any sort of budgetary process.  The President decried the stubbornness of the Republican controlled House, and I say thank goodness that they are standing fast.

Minute number eleven:  This can be summed up by the memory of the old Popeye cartoons.  “I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.”  What it comes down to is this, if we give up on our campaign pledge to not increase taxes on Americans, (on top of the already massive increases imposed by the Obamacare Law,) President Obama promises to give us unspecified spending cuts about a decade down the road.  Just like Lucy and the Football, those cuts will never materialize.  We know this of course because we have all seen this before, and we are still waiting on the spending cuts Tip O’Neal promised Ronald Reagan in 1982.

Minute number twelve:  President Obama completely punted on his role as the leader of our nation.  He told the folks in Congress to go back and work out a deal that he could take credit for after signing.  He has yet to propose anything, ever during his Presidency.  He also said something else of interest here.  He was speaking directly to the 87 Republican Freshmen.  He claimed that the same national anger swept both he and them into office.  I must state here, Obama could not have missed the historical perspective in a more grotesque fashion.  Obama was swept into office with talk of Hope and Change during a time of deep discontent with the GOP as a result of their failure to live up to any of their campaign promises.  The 87 GOP Freshmen were swept into office as a national restraining order served against Barack Obama and his core policy agenda.  The only demands made of the Republican House members was that they stick to their guns, not capitulate and show some backbone.

Minute number thirteen:  The old compromise theme raises its ugly head again.  To the Democrats, this means for the Conservatives to just give up on their core beliefs and accede to the demands of the Democrats.  Not this time, this is not going to happen.  We have deep philosophical differences in this country, and this fight needs to happen.  We must stand up for our principles and not give in to a course of action which is guaranteed to destroy our country.  I believe the politicians who are getting themselves elected by the conservative base finally have a grasp on what we expect of them.

Minute number fourteen:  Economic justice for those of you who do not know, is the watchword of the Socialist Party.  I get a laugh out of people who declare anyone racist for pointing out the fact that Barack Obama is a Socialist, and then ignoring cute little gems like this.

Enjoy the speechifying of someone sane and honest.

httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2pgV_LjmkE

Cross Posted at Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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143 Responses to “A Full Test Of My Anger Management Skills, Watching Our President Address The Nation.”
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  1. taxfreekiller
    1 | July 26, 2011 2:58 pm

    Lots of things point to the fact this guy is all 1/2 every moment in time.


  2. taxfreekiller
    2 | July 26, 2011 3:00 pm

    Some would call Obama half assed.


  3. 3 | July 26, 2011 3:02 pm

    I can’t watch him. He makes my skin crawl. That we have come to this as a President is clearly an indicator that we are on a downward slide, not that any of the other Presidents in my lifetime (with the Exception of Ronald the Great) have been any great shakes. We are a failing nation, lead by incompetants into debt so deep it cannot even be comprehended. That debt will be our albatross for the rest fmy life, and Obama had effectively made it twice as bad as all previous presidents combined.


  4. lobo91
    4 | July 26, 2011 3:07 pm

    The first minute: We start off by referencing the budget surplus of 2000. The concept of a supposed budget surplus has been discredited so many times by myself and others that quite frankly it is becoming more than tedious.

    He also lied about how long the government has been spending more than it takes in.

    He said that it’s been doing so for the last 10 years, implying that it was just during Bush’s terms (and of course, what he’s had to do to “clean up Bush’s mess”).

    The reality is that we’ve had deficits 69 out of the last 80 years.


  5. taxfreekiller
  6. 7 | July 26, 2011 3:11 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Thanks for pointing that one out to me, I missed it completely. See what gnashing your teeth can do?


  7. 8 | July 26, 2011 3:13 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Since the Eisenhower Administration, our total debt, while it has grown over the years, and while I would not consider this to be good, has been maintained at around 30% to 35% of our GDP.  It has remained somewhat reasonable.  Under Barack Obama’s stewardship, the total debt has doubled as a percentage of our GDP.  It now stands at a staggering 70% of our annual economic output.

    literally, your calculations are exactly correct.

    Since the Eisenhower Administration, our total debt, while it has grown over the years, and while I would not consider this to be good, has been maintained at around 30% to 35% of our GDP. It has remained somewhat reasonable. Under Barack Obama’s stewardship, the total debt has doubled as a percentage of our GDP. It now stands at a staggering 70% of our annual economic output.


  8. taxfreekiller
    9 | July 26, 2011 3:14 pm

    Some think the two party evil money cult do this with malice aforethought. They do intend to “write it down” aka “short sell the dept”. They have known for some time the debt can not be paid, they will tell the note holders, “Here is 40 cents on the dollar, take it or leave it.” If the note holders “China,Russia, Saudi, etal, start a war over it,, ya, its U.S. who will go and fight. The cult members will oversee the deal from Washington D.C.’s plush offices.

    @ Iron Fist:


  9. lobo91
    10 | July 26, 2011 3:15 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Thanks for pointing that one out to me, I missed it completely. See what gnashing your teeth can do?

    I suppose, technically, it wasn’t a “lie,” since it’s true that the government has run deficits for the past 10 years, but the implication was that it’s only been for the past 10 years.


  10. lobo91
    11 | July 26, 2011 3:16 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    And if Obama gets his way, it will be over 100% of GDP by the time he’s done.


  11. 12 | July 26, 2011 3:16 pm

    @ lobo91:

    No, it is not an outright lie, but it certainly falls under the category of a misleading statement.


  12. lobo91
    13 | July 26, 2011 3:20 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    No, it is not an outright lie, but it certainly falls under the category of a misleading statement.

    The implication was what I said earlier, that it’s all Bush’s fault.

    And of course, his minions are still pushing that line today. I just heard some asshat repeat the nonsense that this is all the fault of the “Bush tax cuts”


  13. 14 | July 26, 2011 3:21 pm

    @ lobo91:

    If Obama gets four more years, it will easily be over 100%. If you want to think of a real horror show, Obama wins and the Dems take back the House next year. I don’t thein the country can survive that.


  14. orangecrush
    15 | July 26, 2011 3:21 pm

    OT: Here is a woman i am proud of. See the Althouse elevator thread.


  15. lobo91
    16 | July 26, 2011 3:21 pm

    And of course, the caption on the screen said “Nation will default on Aug 2″

    speaking of lies…


  16. orangecrush
    17 | July 26, 2011 3:22 pm

    @ Flyovercountry: Obama spends like a drunken sailor. He treats the whole country as his personal prostitute.


  17. lobo91
    18 | July 26, 2011 3:22 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    If Obama gets four more years, it will easily be over 100%. If you want to think of a real horror show, Obama wins and the Dems take back the House next year. I don’t thein the country can survive that.

    And that’s according to their own projections.

    So the reality will probably be worse.


  18. 19 | July 26, 2011 3:23 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Here’s my take. Let’s say he Bush left him a mess. He’s had 2 1/2 years to fix it. Clealy, he’s incompetent then and a failure.


  19. 20 | July 26, 2011 3:24 pm

    orangecrush wrote:

    @ Flyovercountry: Obama spends like a drunken sailor. He treats the whole country as his personal prostitute.

    That is really being unfair to drunken sailors. When a drunken sailor goes on a bender, he is at least spending his own money.


  20. lobo91
    21 | July 26, 2011 3:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Here’s my take. Let’s say he Bush left him a mess. He’s had 2 1/2 years to fix it. Clealy, he’s incompetent then and a failure.

    At least he’s stopped saying that he “inherited” this problem.

    Their focus groups must have told them it was a bad line.


  21. lobo91
    22 | July 26, 2011 3:29 pm

    @ lobo91:

    “Inherited” makes it sound like one morning, he just woke up in the White House, and had to deal with all this stuff that he knew nothing about.


  22. buzzsawmonkey
    23 | July 26, 2011 3:32 pm

    In the course of the money discussions, at least half the news reports I hear—and much of what Obama says—intentionally obscures the distinction between the national debt (what we already owe) and the deficit (the difference between what we spend and what we take in in a given year).

    This distinction is blurred partly because the news media are ignorant and sloppy (in addition to being partisan), and partly because the Democrats’ failure to even produce a budget since Obama has been in office has obscured what the deficit is/has been for the last three years. One has to presume that the failure to produce a budget was done partly to blur what the deficits accrued during those years actually was.

    Many people I’ve spoken with seem to use the words “debt” and “deficit” interchangeably, seemingly unaware that the debt is the accrued accumulation of deficits. This makes it hard to discuss the current situation clearly.


  23. eartohear
    24 | July 26, 2011 3:34 pm

    I don’t think this man is ignorant at all. I think he is a deliberate liar, and knows exactly what he is doing, and is doing a bang up job.
    It must be abundantly clear by now that his consistent actions are promoting at break-neck speed the intended permanent crippling/dismantling of the American economy.

    He’s accomplishing his mission.


  24. lobo91
    25 | July 26, 2011 3:35 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I’m pretty sure that it’s intentional.

    I’ve noticed the same thing. Even the most ambitious plan the Dems have talked about only addresses reducing the annual deficit by some small percentage. They still intend to run trillion dollar deficits for the next decade.

    I haven’t heard anyone discuss plans for actually starting to pay down the debt.


  25. 26 | July 26, 2011 3:42 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Hopefully somewhere in my rant I was able to keep these important points straight, but you are of course exactly correct. Our total debt right now, is twice its historic percentage of annual GDP as it has been under the stewardship of every other non Obama President. While everyone has done their damage by adding to it, it has grown commensurately with the economy as a whole.


  26. 27 | July 26, 2011 3:45 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    Which shows the fallacy of the idea that we’d just grow the economy and the debt would take care of itself. The only way to get rid of debt is to pay it off. That is what I am trying to do on a personal level, and what we need to do on a National level. The Democrats and the Left can’t even reduce the rate at which they advance us towards economic collapse, and the Republicans don’t have the balls to call them on it.


  27. orangecrush
    28 | July 26, 2011 3:45 pm

    IMO Obama is well aware of all this. He postures a public opinion he doesn’t believe in. His whole goal is to move power behind the scenes so that money goes to his friends and poverty goes to his enemies. Then he blames the poverty creation on the right wing in an appeal for votes to continue more of the same. It’s a graft machine.


  28. 29 | July 26, 2011 3:46 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I mentioned yesterday that there is a deficit bar graph that is somewhere out there that shows Bush was actually on the way to reducing the deficit until the Democrat Congress took over. I’ve got to find it.

    And if Jug Ears spouts that bullshit “shared sacrifice” one more time I may have to tear my face off as a distraction. Please list for me, Asshat in Chief, just what “sacrifice” the 49% of the population that pays no taxes at all is making. And let’s go one step further – what sacrifice are those that are not only not paying a cent in taxes but then get a check BACK from the goverment making in this little shared sacrifice scenario of yours.

    And if you think you make too much money, Dumbo, I direct your attention to the IRS website, where you should feel free to give them a hefty check so that your conscience can be calmed.

    And I think the networks should charge him the going rate for essentially giving a campaign speech on their dime.


  29. lobo91
    30 | July 26, 2011 3:46 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    While everyone has done their damage by adding to it, it has grown commensurately with the economy as a whole.

    Which is part of the problem, of course. The economy basically isn’t growing now, and isn’t going to anytime soon.

    And Obama and company are either too stupid to see that it’s their fault, or, more likely, they do see it and it’s exactly what they had in mind.


  30. 31 | July 26, 2011 3:49 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Call it an “in kind” donation and charge Obama taxes on it as Income. That should make him happy :evil:


  31. lobo91
    32 | July 26, 2011 3:49 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    And I think the networks should charge him the going rate for essentially giving a campaign speech on their dime.

    They really should have, especially after the way he ended it, by telling people to “call their Representatives.”

    I’m surprised that they didn’t put up a graphic showing the number to the Capitol swithcboard.


  32. chickadee
    33 | July 26, 2011 3:51 pm

    I can’t watch it. I can’t take that smirk on his face when he strides up to the teleprompter and tries to look
    “presidential.” What a joke.

    No one is fainting anymore for this stupid dork.
    And no one is calling him the messiah or a light worker. And who is delighting in the crease of his pants?

    I think the tide is turning but what a shame that so many Americans fell for this utterly feckless loser.


  33. 34 | July 26, 2011 3:52 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I believe your latter statement is correct. Obama has set out to fundamentally destroy America so that he may be able to offer us to the world wide caliphate. Part of the reason for his temper tantrums of late is that he is becoming aware that he will be falling somewhat short of his goal. His internal polling numbers and that of the Dems in general are telling them that they are going to get shellacked next year. My fear now, is that the GOPers won’t go about the business of reversing the damage. Slowing it down is not good enough, I want it fixed. I do no believe I am alone in that sentiment.


  34. 35 | July 26, 2011 3:52 pm

    @ lobo91:

    As my last post pointed out, he’s not a real man.


  35. lobo91
    37 | July 26, 2011 3:55 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    It’s clear now that Obama’s policies are preventing any sort of economic recovery. Nobody can argue with that. It’s just a fact.

    If he and his advisors can’t see that, they’re incompetent, and they need to go.

    If they do see it, then it’s intentional, and they need to go (preferably after a stint in prison).

    Those are really the only possibilities.


  36. lobo91
    38 | July 26, 2011 3:59 pm

    I posted a video on the NLRB thread that shows the results of his policies.

    We really need to make him own this mess.


  37. Nevergiveup
    39 | July 26, 2011 4:02 pm

    @ lobo91:
    And what worries me is that as the Economy goes down the shitter, there will be less AT/ADT funding for me. It’s already getting a little tight.


  38. 40 | July 26, 2011 4:03 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Absolutely. He steadfastly blames the “corproate jet” crowd for economic growth failure while it is his policies, and his alone, that have strangled any chance of recovery. It’s about time we demanded a complete accounting of how that Porkulus money was spent and since Joe Biteme was in charge, this should be at least a fabulous exercise in satire. And the Republican candidates should hammer this home with every whistle-stop speech. “Where did the money go?” “Where are the jobs?” Sure the MSM will attempt to ignore it for the most part but let’s face it, Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, et al. have a bigger listening audience that the Commie Cable Crap has viewers.

    And TEA Party – let’s rev it up a little. They think we’ve gone soft. Time to get out the noisemakers.


  39. 41 | July 26, 2011 4:03 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I posted a video on the NLRB thread that shows the results of his policies.
    We really need to make him own this mess.

    Absolutely.


  40. 42 | July 26, 2011 4:05 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Progressives blogs are claiming the switchboards were flooded.


  41. chickadee
    43 | July 26, 2011 4:05 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    As my last post pointed out, he’s not a real man.

    There’s nothing manly abt. him. He’s not good for anything.
    Imagine that fop driving a tractor, or fixing a car or bucking bales, or baiting a hook . . . LOL, or next to you in a fox hole, whimpering and wetting his pants when the enemy charges.

    He is a classic useless metro-sexual creep.


  42. 44 | July 26, 2011 4:06 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    The money is in the Cayman islands and Switzerland.


  43. lobo91
    45 | July 26, 2011 4:07 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    The first question at every debate for this election needs to be “What is your plan to pay down the national debt?”

    And when they start talking about cutting spending by some vague amount, the moderator should repeat the question, until they admit that they have no plan.


  44. 46 | July 26, 2011 4:07 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    This default myth is like the Republicans will starve kids and kill old people.


  45. 47 | July 26, 2011 4:08 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Exactly!


  46. 48 | July 26, 2011 4:08 pm

    Lobo – were you the one who recommended Thomas Sowell’s book on the economics of the mortgage meltdown to me? I just finished “Reckless Endangerment” and am now starting the Sowell book.


  47. lobo91
    49 | July 26, 2011 4:09 pm

    @ chickadee:

    LOL, or next to you in a fox hole, whimpering and wetting his pants when the enemy charges.

    I can’t imagine him actually making it through basic training.


  48. Nevergiveup
    50 | July 26, 2011 4:09 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:

    The first question at every debate for this election needs to be “What is your plan to pay down the national debt?”

    And when they start talking about cutting spending by some vague amount, the moderator should repeat the question, until they admit that they have no plan.

    All their plans involve very little real cuts only math tricks and double counting


  49. lobo91
    51 | July 26, 2011 4:09 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Lobo – were you the one who recommended Thomas Sowell’s book on the economics of the mortgage meltdown to me? I just finished “Reckless Endangerment” and am now starting the Sowell book.

    Yes, I was.


  50. Nevergiveup
    52 | July 26, 2011 4:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ chickadee:

    LOL, or next to you in a fox hole, whimpering and wetting his pants when the enemy charges.

    I can’t imagine him actually making it through basic training.

    Physically he might be able to make it, but I bet he would be the guy who everyone else in the regiment hates


  51. 53 | July 26, 2011 4:11 pm

    @ Rodan:

    The Wall Street Journal has reported that the capitol switch boards are indeed being overwhelmed with calls. those calls however are mostly in opposition to the President’t message. This is bad news for the Zero. He has played his hand, and learned the important lesson that you should not bluff with a pair of three’s. The American People are calling their leaders today and saying we support cut, cap, and balance. Hooray!


  52. lobo91
    54 | July 26, 2011 4:12 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    All their plans involve very little real cuts only math tricks and double counting

    And even then, it’s only about current spending levels.

    What about the $14 trillion we already owe?

    Even the Republican plans only amount to the equivalent of refinacing your house every year on a new mortgage, and only paying the interest on the loan.


  53. 55 | July 26, 2011 4:12 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    He would be getting his ass kicked!


  54. Nevergiveup
    56 | July 26, 2011 4:13 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    All their plans involve very little real cuts only math tricks and double counting

    And even then, it’s only about current spending levels.

    What about the $14 trillion we already owe?

    Even the Republican plans only amount to the equivalent of refinacing your house every year on a new mortgage, and only paying the interest on the loan.

    yup.


  55. 57 | July 26, 2011 4:13 pm

    @ Rodan:

    And of course the Administrative “Stenographrs” (tm Rush) in the MSM absolutely refuse to print or give the facts: (1) that the interest on the national debt is required BY LAW to be paid first; (2) that social security must by law be paid because of the IOU’s in the “lockbox.” It is outrageous that this incompetent monster is allowed to slander Republicans and outright lie to the American people and never be confronted.

    And since they now LOVE Reagan so much, I’d like to point out that if “Fast and Furious” had occurred while Reagan was President, they’d be talking non-stop about it.


  56. lobo91
    58 | July 26, 2011 4:14 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Physically he might be able to make it, but I bet he would be the guy who everyone else in the regiment hates

    He’d spend all his time questioning orders, and wanting to know why they were doing everything.


  57. 59 | July 26, 2011 4:14 pm

    @ lobo91:

    It’s a wonderful read so far. Anything else you can recommend?


  58. lobo91
    60 | July 26, 2011 4:15 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    And since they now LOVE Reagan so much, I’d like to point out that if “Fast and Furious” had occurred while Reagan was President, they’d be talking non-stop about it.

    At the very least, there would be a Special Prosecutor already, if not impeachment hearings.


  59. chickadee
    61 | July 26, 2011 4:16 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    This default myth is like the Republicans will starve kids and kill old people.

    The progs are projecting. They are the ones who will starve kids and kill old peoole.

    Look all over the world where they have done this.
    Zero is baiting citizens with the promise of free shit to get them hooked, secure their vote and insure that he stays in power. These low echelon poor people will suffer terribly under the system that zero has lined up for them. He is the one talking abt. giving the red pill to the elderly.
    The dictators never deliver on their promises to the underclass.
    Oh wait . . . . one year casto gave each cuban family a rice cooker.


  60. Bumr50
    62 | July 26, 2011 4:16 pm

    “This is an excuse. The budget deficit is an excuse for the Republicans to undermine government plain and simple. They don’t just want to make cuts, they want to destroy. They want to destroy food safety, clean air, clean water, the department of education. They want to destroy your rights.”

    -Nancy Pelosi

    Those must be the Rights granted by my Leftist Overlords.


  61. lobo91
    63 | July 26, 2011 4:18 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    It’s a wonderful read so far. Anything else you can recommend?

    Not on that particular topic.

    But if you haven’t read it already, another of Sowell’s books that I highly recommend is The Vision of the Anointed.

    The Quest for Comsic Justice is good, too.


  62. chickadee
    64 | July 26, 2011 4:19 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    The Wall Street Journal has reported that the capitol switch boards are indeed being overwhelmed with calls. those calls however are mostly in opposition to the President’t message. This is bad news for the Zero. He has played his hand, and learned the important lesson that you should not bluff with a pair of three’s. The American People are calling their leaders today and saying we support cut, cap, and balance. Hooray!

    That’s great news. Very encouraging.
    The Silent Majority is speaking up.


  63. lobo91
    65 | July 26, 2011 4:20 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Yes, that’s right. Republicans want unsafe food, dirty air and water, and all the rest.

    Do people still fall for that crap?


  64. citizen_q
    66 | July 26, 2011 4:20 pm

    Kerry spokesman stripped of Silver Star

    John F. Kerry almost became president running on the basis of his alleged heroism in Vietnam. Thanks to the efforts of a group of truth-tellers, the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth, the serious holes in the fantasy narrative propounded by the Kerry campaign came to the attention of enough Americans that John Kerry was not the first faux-Irish President of the United States.

    One of Kerry’s enablers in propounding his imaginary heroism was a man named Wade Sanders, who himself held a Silver Star, and who introduced Kerry to the Democratic Convention. Scott Swett, who was central to the unraveling of the Kerry storyline, tells us that the Kerry enabler has been exposed for what he is. His Winter Soldier site has the details:

    John Kerry was introduced at the 2004 Democratic National Convention by Wade Sanders, a retired Navy Captain and former Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Navy who served as a Swift Boat officer in Vietnam. Like Kerry, Sanders was the recipient of a Silver Star for gallantry in action. During the 2004 campaign, Sanders functioned as Kerry lead attack dog against the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, repeatedly denouncing the veterans on the air as liars and comparing them to Nazi propagandists.

    Wade Sanders is now in Federal prison, serving a 37-month sentence for possessing child pornography. Now the Navy Times reports that Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus has revoked Sanders’ Silver Star. The highly unusual decision appears unrelated to Sanders’ felony conviction. A Navy spokesman cited “subsequently determined facts and evidence surrounding both the incident for which the award was made and the processing of the award itself.” John Kerry has to be hoping this doesn’t become a trend.

    As one might imagine, the media has ignored this story. Even the Navy Times declined to post its own article online.


  65. lobo91
    67 | July 26, 2011 4:21 pm

    @ chickadee:

    It’s worked for Hugo Chavez so far…


  66. Nevergiveup
    68 | July 26, 2011 4:23 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    Yeah I saw that. Great news.


  67. taxfreekiller
    69 | July 26, 2011 4:23 pm

    So, read the just posted report on fast and furious.
    In the report: “The guns once logged in, the trace done and it known where they came from, were turned over to the Mexican Army and they put the guns in vaults.”
    Well now, Mexican Army may not be the best,,,but, they sure must have wanted to know where the guns that were killing their guys were coming from. So, the intel guys or command would have picked up the secure phone and called their counter parts in the U.S. Army ect.
    “You know where these guns are coming from or can you find out?”
    Had to have happened.
    So, the call, memo comes in, it had to come in high in the chain of command. So, to me looks like the next step would be close to the top.
    Might have been even White House.

    We need more people from such places being asked questions.

    Too, what kind of CIA would not know this wild ass shit was going down and why?

    The lies are very deep on this.

    Dig, Dig, more people will rat out soon.


  68. 70 | July 26, 2011 4:23 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    It’s funny their new found love of Reagan. It makes me sick seeing Obama and his ilk constantly talk about Reagan.


  69. lobo91
    71 | July 26, 2011 4:23 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    I actually know one of Kerry’s crew.

    They’ve all been mainlining the Kerry kool-aid for so long that they actually believe his crap.


  70. 72 | July 26, 2011 4:24 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    See #66. It’s about your favorire politician!
    :evil:


  71. Nevergiveup
    73 | July 26, 2011 4:24 pm

    By the way Harry Reid was going after the Pentagon Budget today. If obama ever gets re-elected they are gonna shred it to pieces


  72. lobo91
    74 | July 26, 2011 4:26 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    By the way Harry Reid was going after the Pentagon Budget today. If obama ever gets re-elected they are gonna shred it to pieces

    Coburn’s plan includes all sorts of cuts in benefits: Tuition assistance, an end to Commissary and PX subsidies, doing away with Tricare eligibility for retirees, etc.


  73. chickadee
    75 | July 26, 2011 4:27 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    Anyone who shills for a rotten bum like jon cary has to a rotten bum himself.


  74. Lily
    76 | July 26, 2011 4:29 pm

    chickadee wrote:

    I can’t watch it. I can’t take that smirk on his face when he strides up to the teleprompter and tries to look
    “presidential.” What a joke.

    No one is fainting anymore for this stupid dork.
    And no one is calling him the messiah or a light worker. And who is delighting in the crease of his pants?
    I think the tide is turning but what a shame that so many Americans fell for this utterly feckless loser.

    I couldn’t watch it either…basically he is blaming the Republican’s and Bush….and yet HE is the one that is in the way. No not as many people are fainting for him but there still is a base that is ‘all blame Bush’ and who believe there was a surplus when Clinton left office and many believe we are spending trillions on the wars and if the wars were stopped and no spending on our defense then all would be well. Yet they do not mention Libya which all obama’s!


  75. 77 | July 26, 2011 4:29 pm

    @ chickadee:

    I guess that’ll shut the “TEA Party is a toothless shadow” crowd up, doncha think?


  76. lobo91
    78 | July 26, 2011 4:32 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Some of these geniuses even want to go after military health care itself. They apparently don’t understand why we have all these hospitals and doctors and stuff, and think we should just give everyone in the military private health insurance.

    I can see it now. You get shot on a mission in Afghanistan, and instead of calling for a medic, you’re supposed to find a cell phone and call Blue Cross to see if there’s a provider in the area that has an available appointment…


  77. citizen_q
    79 | July 26, 2011 4:32 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    @ lobo91:
    Hopefully kerry’s comeuppance will be forthcoming.


  78. buzzsawmonkey
    80 | July 26, 2011 4:35 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    @ lobo91:

    Not to worry—with a whole new base to recruit from, now that DA/DT is repealed, there will be plenty of volunteers. And, as an added benefit, the barracks will look fabulous, despite budget cuts.


  79. taxfreekiller
    81 | July 26, 2011 4:36 pm

    The U.S. Navy brass knew Kerry’s awards and citations were fraud, they know now. Former Sec. of Navy John Warner signed off on the lies, Carter gave him a new improved DD-214 and discharge.

    The info “Navy Chief” and others dug up in the Texas Tech Vietnam Archives proved it all up beyond any question.

    The D.C. cult protects made members, D or R .@ citizen_q:


  80. Nevergiveup
    82 | July 26, 2011 4:38 pm

    @ lobo91:
    China is smiling


  81. Lily
    83 | July 26, 2011 4:39 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Bumr50:

    Yes, that’s right. Republicans want unsafe food, dirty air and water, and all the rest.

    Do people still fall for that crap?

    Yes. The ones that think the Republican’s are greedy! They apparently haven’t been paying attention the some the annointed democrats.


  82. lobo91
    84 | July 26, 2011 4:39 pm

    @ lobo91:

    That would actually make a great TV ad.

    It would start out like a scene from Black Hawk down or something, until one of the troops gets hit.

    Then he crawls behind a burning vehicle, and digs a cell phone out of his pocket.

    He dials a phone number, and we hear “Thank you for calling the Obamacare help line. To make an appointment, press 1.”

    Then he presses 1, and we hear “We’re sorry…all our associates are currently handling other calls. Please call back between the hours of 9am and 4pm, eastern time.”


  83. taxfreekiller
    85 | July 26, 2011 4:39 pm

    D.C. Political Mob.@ taxfreekiller:


  84. lobo91
    86 | July 26, 2011 4:41 pm

    @ Lily:

    I’m sure glad that I have my official Republican Clean Air source ™ handy…
    //


  85. Lily
    87 | July 26, 2011 4:41 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Some of these geniuses even want to go after military health care itself. They apparently don’t understand why we have all these hospitals and doctors and stuff, and think we should just give everyone in the military private health insurance.

    I can see it now. You get shot on a mission in Afghanistan, and instead of calling for a medic, you’re supposed to find a cell phone and call Blue Cross to see if there’s a provider in the area that has an available appointment…

    Oh and have to make sure the doc is in your network!
    /that right there makes my head hurt.


  86. 88 | July 26, 2011 4:43 pm

    @ chickadee:

    They are lying frauds!


  87. Lily
    89 | July 26, 2011 4:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    That would actually make a great TV ad.

    It would start out like a scene from Black Hawk down or something, until one of the troops gets hit.

    Then he crawls behind a burning vehicle, and digs a cell phone out of his pocket.

    He dials a phone number, and we hear “Thank you for calling the Obamacare help line. To make an appointment, press 1.”

    Then he presses 1, and we hear “We’re sorry…all our associates are currently handling other calls. Please call back between the hours of 9am and 4pm, eastern time.”

    You forgot something before you get to that….
    Please press 1 for English
    Press 2 for Spanish
    Press 2 for Arabic


  88. 90 | July 26, 2011 4:45 pm

    @ lobo91:
    .@ Nevergiveup:

    I’m sure they can find waste in the Pentagon budget, but that’s not the plan. They seek to gut it.


  89. Lily
    91 | July 26, 2011 4:45 pm

    PIMF Press 3 for Arabic


  90. lobo91
    92 | July 26, 2011 4:46 pm

    Speaking of clean air, I’ve seen an ad from some group urging people to “protect the EPA” twice today.

    How much do you want to bet that we’re ultimately paying for that ad with tax money that was laundered through some phony group?


  91. Lily
    93 | July 26, 2011 4:47 pm

    @ lobo91:

    If I placed money on that I would win hands down!!!


  92. 94 | July 26, 2011 4:48 pm

    Oh, and I’m curious – just how much of that supposed “Clinton Surplus,” I wonder, did Bush have to use to rebuild the military after Blow Job Billy managed to decimate the Armed Forces? Like Reagan had to do afer that twit Carter?


  93. 95 | July 26, 2011 4:48 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Speaking of clean air, I’ve seen an ad from some group urging people to “protect the EPA” twice today.
    How much do you want to bet that we’re ultimately paying for that ad with tax money that was laundered through some phony group?

    Is water wet?

    You know it!


  94. Lily
    96 | July 26, 2011 4:49 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Oh, and I’m curious – just how much of that supposed “Clinton Surplus,” I wonder, did Bush have to use to rebuild the military after Blow Job Billy managed to decimate the Armed Forces? Like Reagan had to do afer that twit Carter?

    Especially after 9/11 !


  95. taxfreekiller
    97 | July 26, 2011 4:56 pm

    On Kerry’s crew.
    The guy who was the up top .50 cal pair guy who had to fire on the sanpan that got to close,(killed a 12 year old kid in the sanpan)due to Kerry being asleep on radar watch and that because of the drugs he was taking in a combat zone for “pairasomnia” aka sleep walking and bed wetting. The Navy Dr.’s knew of this when he joined and they know now. Crickets.

    That guy is no Kerry fan. Steve Gardner.


  96. 98 | July 26, 2011 4:58 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I wouldn’t be surprised to find the money for that ad came straight out of Porkulus.


  97. lobo91
    99 | July 26, 2011 4:58 pm

    ‘Ohhh’: Jay Carney Draws Press Corps’ Ire During Testy Exchange With Fox Reporter

    Press Secretary Jay Carney entered into a testy exchange with new Fox White House reporter Ed Henry on Tuesday afternoon, after Henry pressed Carney on why the president hasn’t submitted his own debt plan, and why he went on primetime TV on Monday to blast some of the proposals out there without submitting one of his own.

    Carney clearly wasn’t happy with being challenged, accusing Henry of spewing Republican talking points (a serious charge from a sitting press secretary to a journalist of a major network). But Henry wouldn’t back down, and when he didn’t, Carney got personal, accusing several journalists in the room of skipping out “early” on Friday, and blaming them not being informed.

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVxkfONmPtI


  98. 100 | July 26, 2011 4:59 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Oh, and I’m curious – just how much of that supposed “Clinton Surplus,” I wonder, did Bush have to use to rebuild the military after Blow Job Billy managed to decimate the Armed Forces? Like Reagan had to do afer that twit Carter?

    Another great point! Something we never hear about or see in the numbers. I’m sure we can afford to blow the 10 Million or so necessary to research this information.


  99. lobo91
    101 | July 26, 2011 5:03 pm

    Jesse Jackson Jr (D-La La Land) argues that a balanced budget is racist:

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH5aIedGnOo


  100. Nevergiveup
    102 | July 26, 2011 5:04 pm

    OK it’s 5:00PM so that means turn off FOX. If FOX doesn’t drop Beckel and “The Five” soon…….


  101. Nevergiveup
    103 | July 26, 2011 5:05 pm

    @ lobo91:
    A bad imitation of his racist father


  102. taxfreekiller
    104 | July 26, 2011 5:06 pm

    The more I think about it. Issa needs to call the CIA before the committee. “What did you know and when did you know it?”

    If they claim they found out after the fact of say Brian Terry getting killed,,,well fire their ass’s for being worthless.

    Just how in the hell would they not know of something this wild and dangerous going on 10 miles into Mexico.

    The whole thing stinks worse every min.


  103. lobo91
    105 | July 26, 2011 5:09 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    If they claim they found out after the fact of say Brian Terry getting killed,,,well fire their ass’s for being worthless.

    If we were going to do that, it should have been done decades ago.

    These are the same people who missed the fall of the Soviet Union, after all.


  104. lobo91
    106 | July 26, 2011 5:15 pm

    From the “you can’t make this stuff up” file:

    UAW Wants Bigger Cut of Detroit’s Newfound Profits

    DETROIT (AP) — The United Auto Workers union wants a bigger share of Detroit’s newfound profits while the car companies hope to cut labor costs in contract talks that begin Monday.

    Workers agreed to give up pay raises and benefits to keep the companies in business as they headed for financial trouble starting four years ago.

    Now that General Motors, Chrysler and Ford are making money again, workers want compensation for their sacrifice. But the companies want labor costs that are competitive with Toyota, Honda and Hyundai.

    Both sides say they’re willing to talk about profit sharing instead of raises.

    The negotiations start Monday at Chrysler. They are the first since Chrysler and GM took government aid and emerged from bankruptcy in 2009.

    The UAW’s contracts with Detroit automakers expire on Sept. 14.

    Let me get this straight: The UAW pushed the car companies to the brink of bankruptcy through a combination of ridiculously high labor costs and insane work rules, so then the government illegally bailed the companies out.

    And now the union wants even more money than before?


  105. taxfreekiller
    107 | July 26, 2011 5:15 pm

    Only thing I can figure is that Bob (Belch) Beckel has photos and tape recordings of Shan Handity doing something real dam bad or Shawn would get up and knock the shit out of the low life fat punk.


  106. Lily
    108 | July 26, 2011 5:16 pm

    @ lobo91:

    How in the world is a balanced budget racist????????????
    /damn now days everything is RACIST11TY!!!!


  107. taxfreekiller
    109 | July 26, 2011 5:17 pm

    Oh, it is 100% sure the CIA knew,I just want them to do the perjury thing on the record live on TV.@ lobo91:


  108. lobo91
    110 | July 26, 2011 5:18 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    How in the world is a balanced budget racist????????????
    /damn now days everything is RACIST11TY!!!!

    He says that the only way minorities can get by is through massive government subsidies, which the government can only provide by running huge deficits.

    Therefore, cutting government spending is racist.


  109. lobo91
    111 | July 26, 2011 5:20 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    Oh, it is 100% sure the CIA knew,I just want them to do the perjury thing on the record live on TV.@ lobo91:

    You’ll never see that happen, so you might as well stop wishing for it.

    Nobody from the CIA is going to testify about anything in open session. They’ll cite national security concerns.


  110. Lily
    112 | July 26, 2011 5:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    How in the world is a balanced budget racist????????????
    /damn now days everything is RACIST11TY!!!!

    He says that the only way minorities can get by is through massive government subsidies, which the government can only provide by running huge deficits.

    Therefore, cutting government spending is racist.

    What about creating jobs and people going to work?
    /damn that just makes too much sense I suppose.

    Here in Louisiana if the federal government would allow more drilling in the Gulf of Mexico it would create 250,000 jobs alone!!!!
    /not making the number up either. Was stated in the newspaper not to long ago.


  111. lobo91
    113 | July 26, 2011 5:24 pm

    @ Lily:

    What about creating jobs and people going to work?
    /damn that just makes too much sense I suppose.

    Oh, but only the government can create jobs.

    Everyone knows that!
    //


  112. taxfreekiller
    114 | July 26, 2011 5:26 pm

    Stuff like this:

    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-240197.html

    The U.S. Citizens who pay the CIA and FBI and Homeland Securty and the U.S. Army and the U.S. Border Patrol and etal, sure as hell should be told about shit like this.

    Any day now some small U.S. town on the U.S. Mexican border is going to have one of these roming around the town killing every f’n person who moves. Why is it not on every f’n TV now.@ lobo91:


  113. CynicalConservative
    115 | July 26, 2011 5:30 pm

    From Rush..

    Coal Mine Owner Goes Galt

    /lurk


  114. buzzsawmonkey
    116 | July 26, 2011 5:30 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Note that Jackson Junior is arguing for—nay, demanding—“human rights.”

    The Constitution was designed to protect personal liberty through civil rights which are held against the government.

    People who have liberty do not need “human rights”; they are free people. “Human rights” is the language of slavery; it is the language of people begging for “rights”—actually, special privileges and largesse— from their government instead of people ruling a government which is their servant.

    People who have no liberty—people in Arab countries, or China, or the nations of Africa—beg for “human rights” from their governments; a little less oppression, please, sir. A little less torture, a drab more free speech. We do not have that here; we do not need it or want it.

    Say “NO!” to “human rights.” Say “YES!” to liberty; to Constitutional government safeguarded by civil rights.


  115. Lily
    117 | July 26, 2011 5:33 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I agree we don’t have a ‘human rights’ issue here!


  116. lobo91
    118 | July 26, 2011 5:33 pm

    Oh, look…now Cynthia McKinney is in Iran complaining about the evil United States.

    “The United States is the biggest purveyor of evil in the world,” and killed JFK, MLK, etc:

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPIuDPdLzDQ

    Can we please revoke her passport?


  117. lobo91
    119 | July 26, 2011 5:35 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Note that Jackson Junior is arguing for—nay, demanding—”human rights.”

    I noticed that too, but it’s way too complicated for someone like him to understand the distinction.


  118. Lily
    120 | July 26, 2011 5:38 pm

    CynicalConservative wrote:

    From Rush..

    Coal Mine Owner Goes Galt

    /lurk

    Yep that is just tragic. When a business man gets so much grief from the tree huggers that he pulls out. What has this country come to?


  119. lobo91
    121 | July 26, 2011 5:39 pm

    @ Lily:

    GM and Chrysler should do the same thing when their union contract negotiations start next week.

    “You know, we’ve come to the conclusion that it’s just not worth it. We quit.”


  120. buzzsawmonkey
    122 | July 26, 2011 5:40 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I noticed that too, but it’s way too complicated for someone like him to understand the distinction.

    I wouldn’t expect him to. I merely want everyone else to understand that “human rights” are antithetical to the entire Constitutional system, and must be fought at every turn.


  121. 123 | July 26, 2011 5:43 pm

    @ lobo91:

    This woman is bat shit crazy. I still remember her breaking out into song during her concession speech when she lost her congressional seat. it was a hoot. Then her thug staff of Black Panthers threatened to beat up the reporters covering the speech. What a great national ambassador we have in Cynthia McKinney. BTW, she would be the perfect person to be the first charged under the Logan act in our Nation’s History. Others have been more deserving over the years to be sure, but her trial would be great entertainment.


  122. lobo91
    124 | July 26, 2011 5:43 pm

    Bob Beckel just about had a coronary while defending Holder and the whole Fast & Furious fiasco.

    He just telegraphed the administration’s line of counterattack, BTW. Watch for people to start questioning Issa’s motives, and his character.


  123. 125 | July 26, 2011 5:44 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Bob Beckel just about had a coronary while defending Holder and the whole Fast & Furious fiasco.

    He just telegraphed the administration’s line of counterattack, BTW. Watch for people to start questioning Issa’s motives, and his character.

    That’s all they have left, ad hominem attacks.


  124. lobo91
    126 | July 26, 2011 5:45 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    She’d never appear for trial. She would undoubtedly request (and be granted) assylum in Iran or some other Islamic shithole.


  125. Lily
    127 | July 26, 2011 5:46 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Can we leave her in Iran? She is talking about ‘human rights’ in Iran?
    Doesn’t she have at least a peanut of knowledge of what goes on in Iran?
    /I know these are stupid questions because she doesn’t. Doesn’t she know Iran WANTS NO PEACE!
    This woman is beyound stupid. Leave her in Iran! Damn she is isn’t speaking for most of the people in the United States..like she thinks she is.
    lobo that there video is damn brain hurt ….and she is brain damaged!


  126. 128 | July 26, 2011 5:47 pm

    @ lobo91:

    McKinney is a complete and utter nutjob. First the Terror Flotilla to Israel and now this. She should be pelted with rotten eggs whenever she appears in public.


  127. lobo91
    129 | July 26, 2011 5:47 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    That’s all they have left, ad hominem attacks.

    That’s all they’ve ever had on this issue, since it’s basically indefensible.


  128. Lily
    130 | July 26, 2011 5:47 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    GM and Chrysler should do the same thing when their union contract negotiations start next week.

    “You know, we’ve come to the conclusion that it’s just not worth it. We quit.”

    Yep and make sure they blame it on this administration!


  129. lobo91
    131 | July 26, 2011 5:48 pm

    @ Lily:

    The UAW reps wouldn’t even know how to respond.

    I’d pay good money to watch it.


  130. 132 | July 26, 2011 5:50 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Ha ha! Carney is such a dumbass. He looks and acts like a complete boob when someone outside the Administrative Stenographic Pool asks him a real question.


  131. lobo91
    133 | July 26, 2011 5:52 pm

    @ Lily:

    I’ll bet the NLRB would try to order them to stay in business.


  132. 134 | July 26, 2011 5:52 pm

    Poor Obama – last night all the planets were in sync and he got free airtime from the networks and cable to give what essentially was a re-election campaign speech and then that mean, nasty puppy-kicking, granny-killing John Boehner came on and stole his lunch money….


  133. Lily
    135 | July 26, 2011 5:53 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I’ll bet the NLRB would try to order them to stay in business.

    Probably.


  134. Lily
    136 | July 26, 2011 5:56 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Poor Obama – last night all the planets were in sync and he got free airtime from the networks and cable to give what essentially was a re-election campaign speech and then that mean, nasty puppy-kicking, granny-killing John Boehner came on and stole his lunch money….

    LoL! Aren’t all who oppose obummer like that tho! Always stealing his lunch money!


  135. lobo91
    137 | July 26, 2011 6:00 pm

    @ Lily:

    It’s the only way the unions might get the message, though.

    They really have no power in negotiating with a company like GM or Chrysler, when you come down to it. They’re not making any money anyway, so there really isn’t any point in remaining in business.

    When they walk into the room next week and present their demands, the response should be, “Nope. Sorry. We’ve decided to go out of business, instead,” and walk out.

    After the union reps came to, they’d beg them to come back.

    When they returned in a few days, they should start out with, “So, how does a 10% cut in pay sound?”

    When they refuse, walk out again. Next time, it’s a 20% cut.


  136. Lily
    138 | July 26, 2011 6:20 pm

    @ lobo91:

    To keep their jobs they would take a 10% cut. That is how the companies should handle it.


  137. yenta-fada
    139 | July 26, 2011 6:22 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    This woman is bat shit crazy. I still remember her breaking out into song during her concession speech when she lost her congressional seat. it was a hoot. Then her thug staff of Black Panthers threatened to beat up the reporters covering the speech. What a great national ambassador we have in Cynthia McKinney. BTW, she would be the perfect person to be the first charged under the Logan act in our Nation’s History. Others have been more deserving over the years to be sure, but her trial would be great entertainment.

    Didn’t this loose cannon also punch a security guard who dared to ask her for identification when she was in Congress? She is under-medicated and over-supported. Great post and thread again, Flyover!


  138. waldensianspirit
    140 | July 26, 2011 6:23 pm

    Carney gotta spend more quality time practicing lying


  139. lobo91
    141 | July 26, 2011 6:26 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    To keep their jobs they would take a 10% cut. That is how the companies should handle it.

    It would also likely lead to the end of unions.

    The membership would vote to decertify the UAW the next day.


  140. lobo91
    142 | July 26, 2011 6:29 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Carney gotta spend more quality time practicing lying

    He just did an interview with Bret Baer that pretty much proved that.

    He spent 5 minutes just spouting talking points that had no basis in reality.


  141. 143 | July 26, 2011 7:10 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    And she was the Green Party candidate for President in 2008, don’t forget. Even SHE was more qualified than Obama for the Executive.


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