The Occupy Wall Street movement which was pioneered by 3rd World Liberation ideologue Van Jones, has gotten to a new level. Union leaders and Moveon.org have joined the protests. This is clearly a Far Left/Marxist movement. As is typical of all Progressive movements, they are an AstroTurf organization. Their goal is to emulate the Arab Spring and create a Popular Uprising. Then somehow, the Occupy Wall Street losers will end up in charge. Funny, we have elections for that and they are outgunned.
These are not the few bedraggled Occupy Wall Street protesters we knew in September.
Representatives from some of the most powerful labor unions in the country have arrived to march alongside the protesters, and students from New York universities joined the demonstrations this afternoon.
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Many protesters carried signs or joined in chants about economic injustice, including: “Wall St. can’t you see we want a fair economy!”
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Among the labor unions that marched today are representatives of the Chinatown Tenants Union, the Transit Workers Union, MoveOn.org, Working Families Party, United NY. See a full list here.
Read the rest: Occupy Wall Street protests grow in size and credibility
Do these Leftists think that they will overthrow the government? If so, Occupy Wall Street will become one of the biggest mass suicide movements. The tuth is, these losers have no popular support and are nothing but an organized mob.
The Obama regime’s finfingerprints are all over this gathering of Leftist rent a mob. After all, Obama was a community organizer. Van Jones’s involvement is the tip of the iceberg.
On a Personal note: I was at a conference recently in St. Pete, Fl. There was a Starbucks near the convention and I saw some recruiters for Occupy Tampa. I asked them what are their goals. One of the sociology students was telling me, they wanted free health-care, free education and guaranteed jobs. I retorted that they sounded like the Soviets. After a back and forth, I told him that he’s crazy if he thinks he can overthrow the government. I reminded him, it’s the Rightwing in this country who has most of the guns. I saw this clown go pale and look scared.
Reality hit him.
The only thing they ought to occupy is a bathtub.
Reality eventually hits ,even the most idiotic ideologues…and then there are the evil control freaks.
Btw, I’m in oldsmar today visiting a supplier. I feel like A cartoon character who went running off a cliff and is hanging there in the air with their wheels/legs spinning. LOL
Who’s giving Van Jones all the love? Wow! I guess we have more Leftist Lurkers than I expected…
Isn’t this what the Left used to call “Astroturfing”? Spontaneous it is not.
@ Crashnburn01:
Target rich environment, though. These iPod “revolutionaries” think they want to smash the State. They can’t exist without the State. They need to grow up and get a life.
Speranza wrote:
Mass grave…
Iron Fist wrote:
I understand why 88% of the worldwide aggregate of ‘SendLo<3' LOVE him. There must be many more socialist/leftist blogs listing his name that right-blogs. But something's clearly wrong with the chart showing Blogmocracy giving him 64% LOVE.
Interesting: in the time it took for me to type this, Van Jones went from 88% to 69% LOVE.
Weekly jobless clamis again top 400,000:
The four-week average is what matters. They always adjust these things up. That is why the slight drop last week is really insignificant. We are bleeding jobs. If you have a cut femoral artery, you don’t really care ifg they bandage the shaving cut on your cheek.
@ Iron Fist:
It’s not just him. Ahmmadamnjihadi isn’t at zero!! Frikken lizards…
@ m:
They’ll try and rehabilitate Hitler next. He wasn’t really evil, you see. Merely misunderstood…
@ Iron Fist:
@ Fritz Katz:
@ Kirly:
@ Crashnburn01:
@ Speranza:
These Neo-Stalinists think they will create a popular uprising.
Iron Fist wrote:
Oliver Stone is doing just that. He is making a movie that will rehabilitate Hitler as a Socialist who went wrong.
Many on the Left now defend Hitler as a Socialists. He was one of them.
@ Rodan:
They wouldn’t know what to do with it if they did get a popular uprising. They don’t really know what they want, they just want change. Any change is good. That is how leaders like Hitler and Stalin take powerr. They ride the popular discontent inot power, and then they crush that discontent utterly.
Hey let them riot and demonstrate and let the Unions and left wing progressives join them. It’s gonna look great in future Campaign commercials
@ Iron Fist:
The difference is we have the 2nd Amendment. Good luck getting a Hitler or Stalin here.
A Rightwing Paramilitary movement would be born that would wipe these fuckers clean.
Make no mistake. This rabble, the unions, Move.on.org, et al are the true face of the democrat party. The socialism that these people are advocating is what the dims truly want. They’ve been doing it by stealth for decades. What we’re seeing in the streets is where they really would like to take this country. The hot heads jumped the gun and I
thinkhope that the electorate has woken up to the where this country was headed.@ Iron Fist:
I know, right?
It’s not like he was a REPUBLICAN or anything! Now THAT is unforgivable.
@ Nevergiveup:
Whenever you see the term Popular Uprising, you know its manufactured.
@ Rodan:
Yep. The Second Amendment is brilliant in its simplicity. You simply cannot totally oppress an armed populace. Our liberty has teeth, which we alone over the rest of the world possess.
these punks wouldn’t survive day one in the state that they would love to create.
uncle joe would have sent these useful idiots to gulag out of pure disdain
@ huckfunn:
They are cowards.
Hey around 2 on Special reports, I have a devastating post on Mitt Romney.
He’s a draft dodging scumbag.
I’m going all out on Mitt Romney.
Gee it is a dumb parent who lets Biden get around their kids
Rodan wrote:
Good let them rehabilitate Hitler and we can hang Hitler and his murderous regime around their necks like 10 ton mill stones. Maybe we can finally get them to acknowledge Stalin’s 50 million and Mao’s 100 million murder victims.
An Idiot with access to a computer terminal
Sometimes it pays to be near the loon loop.
Dallas Texas today, 10:00 some estimated 300 to 1,000 of the loon left will march a mile to the Federal Reserve Bank down town Dallas.
There are marxist Obama kooks, Ron Paul kooks who will be joined by a troop of Alexs Jones crack pots.
Mix that up.
Poor cops what a day they will have.
Any one know a way to get a zombie type down there with cameras.
What a show.
@ huckfunn:
What I don’t understand is – they got their man in the whitehouse – so shouldn’t everything be rosey by now?!
Fear not Rodan, they will have every bit of the exact same impact that they exerted during the 60′s which is zero. Eventually they will get hungry, and the people giving them free shit will grow weary of the fact that they seem to be continually asking for free shit, and not really doing anything constructive like weeding and mowing the lawns or picking up their litter. What they need is to feel the consequences of their actions.
As to their choice of weapons, we’ll let Tom Lehrer tell us about it.
@ m:
Obama really wanted to “transform America” to what these bums want but 2 factors prevented his vision from being brought to total fruition. (1) Rank incompetence and (2) people woke up to what he was doing. He’s already looted the treasury and effectively redistributed the wealth. The debt is huge and will have to be paid back by the 50% of the population that works and pays taxes.
huckfunn wrote:
Nope, sorry the electorate is utterly clueless. The plan behind these protests is to start a series of violent conflicts that can then be used as an excuse to declare martial law. Read your history, this is how it was done in Imperial Russia, this is how it was done in Weimar Germany, and how it was done in Imperial China.
@ doriangrey:
And now Imperial America
Rodan wrote:
I’ll be sure to take a look at that. Meanwhile, Perry’s headed south big time.
They are pissing off New Yorkers
waldensianspirit wrote:
Which might be their sole redeeming grace.
m wrote:
they are trotskyites at heart…the revolution is never ending.
@ doriangrey:
Hitler was a Leftist. He belongs in that camp anyway.
@ huckfunn:
Conservative would rather throw Perry under the bus over 1 issue, but let Romney get away with his message of handling Socialism better than Obama.
If Romney is the nominee I will write in someone else.
FYI- Rubio has rejected being the GOP VP candidate.
The problem is all inside your head
She said to me
The answer is easy if you
Take it logically
I’d like to help you in your struggle
To be free
There must be fifty ways
To piss off a New Yorker
She said it’s really not my habit
To intrude
Furthermore, I hope my meaning
Won’t be lost or misconstrued
But I’ll repeat myself
At the risk of being crude
There must be fifty ways
To piss off a New Yorker
Fifty ways to piss off a New Yorker
CHORUS:
You just slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don’t need to be coy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don’t need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Lee
And get yourself free
She said it grieves me so
To see you in such pain
I wish there was something I could do
To make you smile again
I said I appreciate that
And would you please explain
About the fifty ways
She said why don’t we both
Just sleep on it tonight
And I believe in the morning
You’ll begin to see the light
And then she kissed me
And I realized she probably was right
There must be fifty ways
To piss off a New Yorker
Fifty ways to piss off a New Yorker
@ doriangrey:
The difference is we are armed. A Rightwing insurgency would form like the AUC did in Colombia. The Leftist regime wouldn’t last a year with martial law.
The problem is there are so many Rightwing factions, we would probably end up fighting each other as well.
@ huckfunn:
And yet, Perry has blown out the field in the very important category of fundraising. In 1/2 the time, about 45 days, he has blown the doors off of his competition. Remember the last 2 elections. Howard Dean was a clear front runner until votes were actually cast, as was Giuliani. We will see what tomorrow brings. I think calling anybody out at this moment is premature.
doriangrey wrote:
The electorate has woken up to some degree, as BO-hole’s numbers are looking increasingly bad. He’s at -24 on the Rasmussen Poll 3 days in a row. As to the martial law, etc… I don’t think it will come to that, but I do need to stock up on my ammo.
obama presser at 11AM
Let me guess: “Pass my yoobs bill NOW”
Hey pal even the Dems hate that bill. I hope someone points that out to him
huckfunn wrote:
It is going to come to a bloody civil war with the Marxist Fifth Column Treasonous Media claiming those of us who don’t want to surrender to the Marxist State are evil insurgents.
The fighting will be between those who value and love the US Constitution and the Law Enforcement Community the National Guard’s and eventually the US Military.
Sadly the rebels will never do what is necessary to win, which is target the Media, the politicians, the union leaders and the judiciary. Instead they will try to stand toe to toe with the LEO’s and the Military, and we will eventually lose because of that.
@ Rodan:
@ Flyovercountry:
Establishment GOP seems hell-bent on nominating another loser.
@ huckfunn:
He did, but he didn’t redistribute it to them, which is why they’re pissed.
doriangrey wrote:
Could I offer you some de-caf? You got that AR-15 on safe, right?
Open Thread: O’s Next Jobs Press Conference
Somebody needs to tell Obama that Job’s is dead…
@ Nevergiveup:
McConnel wants to introduce the bill. It’s Harry who’s holding it up.
When will the loons of Culver City do their duty and have an anti Wall Street slouch?
Speaking of loons: Steve Jobs’ funeral to be picketed by Westboro Church
@ Rodan:
Harry is adding millioniare tax to it first
The Osprey wrote:
iCORRUMBA
@ The Osprey:
Bring out the bikers
Rodan wrote:
Reid’s holding it up because he knows it has zero chance of passing, and he doesn’t want to be blamed for it.
@ waldensianspirit:
Millionares vote for Democrats, raise their taxes for all I care. The GOP should not defend Millionares who mostly support the Left.
@ lobo91:
Plus he knows it will not create jobs. Reid is many things, stupid aint one of them.
The Osprey wrote:
I guess they must be PC users…
lobo91 wrote:
The wealth was redistributed to them indirectly and they don’t seem to understand that. They don’t have to pay taxes or work, but they won’t get free X-Boxes and I-pads. They’ll always be bums and I guess that’s what makes them angry.
lobo91 wrote:
obama is gonna be really lonely on the campaign trial this fall. No body and I mean NO Bo Dy wants to appear any where near him
Rodan wrote:
I doubt that that really comes into the calculation.
Creating jobs was never on the agenda. Transferring more money to the unions was, just like in the “stimulus.”
doriangrey wrote:
I think you are wrong. If it ever comes to a shooting civil war in this country there are many LEOs and Military people that would side with the Constitutionalists against the Marxists. In some states, like here in AZ I am betting the bulk of LEOs and National Guard would be on the Constitutionalist side.
You think Sheriff Joe Arpaio is going to be on Obama’s side?
Yom Kippur War anniversary: IDF calls up reserves in drill
By YAAKOV KATZ
10/06/2011 16:39
Surprise drill held to prepare reservists for possible emergency call-up; officer says it’s coincidence it took place on eve of Yom Kippur.
Coincidence? Ya mean the Arabs have never attack on Yom Kippur before?
Since they were envious of the groundswell called The Tea Party, may I suggest a new name for the malcontents?
How about The TEAT Party?
@ Nevergiveup:
Michelle fights him for the best secret service agents
@ doriangrey:
Not whichever Paramilitary unit I link up with. I will introduce AUC Colombian style tactics.
My Target list would be:
Student groups
Radical professors
Union leaders
Progressive organizations
Community Organizations
Radical Immams
Muslim Brotherhood groups
That’s just starters.
Again, this is all hypothetical. We are not there yet. But all Conservatives should read up on the AUC’s campaign against the Left in Colombia. That’s the model of a succesful Rightwing Insurgency.
Goodbye_Natalie wrote:
@ The Osprey:
Exactly!
The AUC in Colombia was aided by Police and military members.
The AUC should be the model for a Rightwing Paramilitary movement should it come to it.
@ waldensianspirit:
They must’ve missed that part about “unalienable rights” granted to us “by the Creator” part of those pesky founding documents. Yeah I know it was the Declaration and not the Constitution, but considering it was mostly the same people writing both documents there should be little doubt as to what they were thinking…
@ huckfunn:
™=™
@ Crashnburn01:
And they tear it apart and make it “State granted” :spit:
@ doriangrey:
Fifty? Is that all?
@ The Osprey:
Sent by … twitter for iphone. *snicker*
waldensianspirit wrote:
I’m guessing that their definition of “best” is different from yours or mine, though…
Kewl™ . Thanks!
@ lobo91:
Redistribution teh wealth. That’s what Obama said to Joe the plumber.
He wasn’t lying.
They published a list of their “needs” here in San Francisco — among them, a 3G phone, office space, fair trade coffee, coffee makers, a high speed printer (which I’ll assume is the need for an office), etc., etc., etc.
Wait — don’t corporations own office buildings? Don’t corporations manufacture cell phones and coffee makers?
I’m still waiting to see what those “knitted” sleeping bags are going to look like.
So stupid it sits on them like a halo.
The Osprey wrote:
This shouldn’t surprise anyone at all, given that Apple supports its workers who happen to be a member of the LGBT Community.
Effing Obungler is giving a press conference.
He asserts “experts” have assured him that this jobs plan will help the economy NOW.
We should love it because it cuts taxes on “new hires.” Now who in the hell would hire someone based on the fact that they’d be taxed lower?
Now he’s talking about education and construction. No mention of the fact that unions have inf,ated costs of these industries to the point that we can’t afford to do them anywhere.
And, he says, any congresscritter that votes no needs to “explain themselves.”
huckfunn wrote:
i will not vote for that bastard ever, period.
“THE ECONOMIC RECOVERY MIGHT BE FALTERING”?!?!?!
coldwarrior wrote:
Don’t know what bastard you are referring to I’m voting for ABBO. And that is only reinforced seeing obama on TV this very moment
@ Bumr50:
His numbers don’t work at all and shows his ignorance of our economy and how business run.
@ Bumr50:
That’s easy enough: “This bill was a worthless POS designed to loot even more money from the treasury and give it to Obama’s cronies, so I voted against it.”
How does he keep saying “tsunami”, “Europe”, and the “credit downgrade” with a striaight face?
He says he’s “gone out of his way” to work with Republicans, “even at his own political peril.”
TWO MILLION JOBS!!!! Get off it you POS liar!!
He’s really laying it on thick this morning.
“Independent analysts say that this bill will grow the economy a full
2%”
REALLY? Which ones?
waldensianspirit wrote:
And if his “experts” told him any different, they’re ignorant, too.
Which wouldn’t surprise me at all.
coldwarrior wrote:
Republicans and dimocrats agree: A third party is needed. BTW; I’m gonna pitch the NCAA thread back to you for this weekend. I’m out in NM and have a pretty full plate.
@ lobo91:
Valerie Jarrett says it will work it will work
@ Bumr50:
He’s just making shit up at this point.
So he DOES does like the 5.65 % surtax on millionaires!
Out of USA’s ashes will rise Obama’s Phoenix
@ Nevergiveup:
romney.
waldensianspirit wrote:
And aside from being part of the Chicago machine, WTF are her credentials as any sort of “expert” on anything?
@ Bumr50:
Obama lying? Nahhhhhhhhhhh!
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The Osprey wrote:
Yes, sorry to say that I do. LEO’s and Military personal are ideologically predisposed to support the government. They ARE the government. They will do their jobs, their jobs do not require them to question authority or to decide that the government has become corrupt, or even overthrown by Marxists.
LEO’s all across America have been doing their jobs, enforcing unconstitutional laws for decades. Look at their attitudes towards gun owners or people videoing them. They have a locked in do not question authority mentality, 98 percent of LEO’s and 90 percent of the military will support the government because the Government is the lawful authority and they do not question authority.
It’s all about LAWFUL… They will support that LAW, regardless of what the law says or who is telling them to enforce it. LEO’s and Military personal do what they are told. They will support the Government. They belong to the government body and soul. They have no mind of their own. Look around you, the evidence has been staring you in the face for at least 50 years.
coldwarrior wrote:
ABBO
Whole room full of people and Chuck Todd gets to ask all the questions.
huckfunn wrote:
Love how that Herman Cain book ad pops up when you click a link to an article about Mittens.
Nevergiveup wrote:
Romney. GOP seems hell-bent on nominating another loser.
@ doriangrey:
Josey WWWWWWHHHHaaaaaaales!!!!!
Bumr50 wrote:
As long as they give their cut to the DNC, I’m sure he’ll arrange it so that they don’t actually lose anything.
You didn’t actually think that $447 billion was going to go into the pockets of unemployed people, did you?
Infrastructure and education. Infrastructure and education. Infrastructure and education.
I agree with Hank.
@ Nevergiveup:
After ABBO comes someone who’ll make Obama Obama lite
@ coldwarrior:
He’s a bigot and a demagogue on SOcial Security. Fuck him and his Socialism.
@ Nevergiveup:
Were you one of those back a ways ABBsHrillary?
How did that turn out?
The Osprey wrote:
Complete with shit-eating grin. Love it.
Obama, RINO and then Obama heavy
waldensianspirit wrote:
Not sure what you mean, but the damage this prick is causing America and American Interests is incalculable and he must be defeated. ABBO
waldensianspirit wrote:
Again I have no idea what your talking about
Bumr50 wrote:
Code for “funnel money to the unions, which will dutifully pass back our cut.”
@ lobo91:
It’s going to bank accounts in the Cayman Islands.
I saw an interview with an ex DOJ person. He said Holder was really into the black power crap.
@ Nevergiveup:
Anybody but Hillary Rodham Clinton got us Obama
Occupy Wall Street brought up.
He thinks it expresses the frustrations of the American people.
Protesters are giving voice to a broad based opposition.
Nevergiveup wrote:
not this time, if its romney, i wont vote for him. anyone else and i can pull the lever.
this is personal.
waldensianspirit wrote:
I’m a republican and never voted for, supported, or said a nice thing about hillary in my life. So not sure what your point is
@ Nevergiveup:
Would you vote for an anti-semite over Obama?
This is a hypothetical.
@ Rodan:
Might as well go with what works…
@ Nevergiveup:
Right. People focused on defeating her. Mean while Obama waltzes in
coldwarrior wrote:
fine, but anyone or anything that makes it more likely that obama is re-elected is personal to me
@ doriangrey:
Unless things have radically changed in the military since I left in 95 there is no way he will have the military behind him. There will be some groups like the black militants and the La Raza and gang scum who entered just for weapons training, and a small portion of the leadership is made up of liberals. But, even when I was in, the things Clinton was doing was making most in the service seriously consider what it would take before we had to have a coup. I would say opposition to a Marxist takeover of this country would run 96%+ within the military.
And your future unemployment (and mine) will be personal too.
Nevergiveup wrote:
The only one out there that remotely fits that profile is possibly Ron Paul. I don’t think I’ll have to confront that dilemma.
waldensianspirit wrote:
I can’t, don’t, and don’t care to speak for what democrats do
What about subprime loans that YOU made them pass YOU POS?!?!
It’s not the BANKS, it’s government involvement IN BANKS, you stupid POS.
THAT’S not gov’ts jobs?!?!
Now he wants us to appoint Richard Cordray to the position of Consumer Finance God today. Haven’t researched him yet, but I’d bet my savings that he’s a Marxist.
@ Nevergiveup:
Obama=26 trillion
Romney=22 trillion
What’s the diff as both destroy the country?
@ Speranza:
WOuld you vote for an anti-semite over Obama?
@ Nevergiveup:
Was that answre for me? Ron Paul fits teh bill of anti-semite so it looks like you responded to me.
Just want to clarify.
waldensianspirit wrote:
if you speak english I can better answer your questions or more accurately accusations. Romney is not my candidate but, not matter what his faults, I find him far superior to obama in every way.
waldensianspirit wrote:
What makes you think that a Republican controlled House and Senate with significant Tea Party factions in both would let him do that?
Rodan wrote:
quite a choice ha? As I said i don’t think I’ll have to confront that choice. Having to pick one anti-semite over another
@ doriangrey:
Apparently you’ve never served. And I find the “no mind of their own” to be ignorant asinine and insulting. The fact remains there is only so much they will take. Lawful orders are one thing. A blatant hostile takeover of the country is another. We had a whole list of things involved when it came to action against civilians. For one thing we were extremely limited on what we were able to do in case of insurrection. You may want to read and memorize the Posse Comitatus act.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
As for the National Guard, sorry you fail again. They can only be mobilized inside this country by the individual Governors of their states, plus they are the normal people who work alongside you every day, and very very very few libs join the guard. The ones that do are ridiculed out in days.
I would advise you to step back from insulting those of us who have served and learn a little damn history.
Mars wrote:
And yet a Marxist coup has taken place and they haven’t done anything. What did you think a Marxist coup in America would look like? Mao Christmas ornaments hanging from the Whitehouse Christmas tree? A life long committed Marxist sitting in the Oval Office? A Marxist congress that violates the US Constitution at every turn? Yea, sorry the LEO’s and the Military have already sided with the Marxists.
Nevergiveup wrote:
did romney wipe out a good portion of you family’s jobs and wealth via bane capital?
did he permanently destroy/export the businesses and factories that your relatives worked in?
did he directly cause the unemployment of hundreds of people many of whom are your friends and family?
i’ll bet the answer is no to those questions
well, doc, he did that here to my family DIRECTLY. so this is personal.
@ Nevergiveup:
SO Romney running Hispnophobic ads is OK with you? I’m supposed to back a bigot just becasue the GOP nominates him?
Rodan wrote:
Who is running who is more anti-Israel than Obama? Well, other than Prawn Roll, who doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting the nomination…
@ lobo91:
They are lead by elites. Who foisted all that debt flooring on us. The GOP plans go toward 22 trillion after Obama and RINO
@ coldwarrior:
OK I see YOUR point. That is personal. So in your case I give you a pass. Not that you need it from me, but I get where your coming from.
@ Nevergiveup:
See my 133.
Romney is a Hispanophobe. I will not vote for someone who demonizes my ethnic Cousins.
That’s why Romney must be defeated in the GOP primary.
Some moron finaly got to ask about Solyndra and Fast and Furious managed to bundle them all into a question with ‘why weren’r people on wall st. prosecuted?’
Obama – “I have complete confidence in Eric Holder.”
“He said he wasn’t aware, and I was not. And I would be very unhappy if I knew.”
“Solyndra predates me and had support from Dems and Repubs.”
“If we’re going to compete……….we have to dominate cutting edge manufacturing.”
“the overall portfolio of the loan guarantee program has been successful.”
WE CAN’T COMPETE WITH CHINA BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOUR ASS BUDDY DICKY TRUMKA AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT. AND WHO’S BUYING ALL OF THIS WIND AND SOLAR CRAP????
Rodan wrote:
How is he anti-hispanic? And you don’t have to be ok with anything he does or did. The only question you or anybody has to answer is ‘ABBO” better or is obama?
@ Nevergiveup:Companys I wanted to work for and supply in PA: overseas
@ Bumr50:
Yeah lets throw all the capitalists into Jail and see how that works creating jobs? Brilliant
Rodan wrote:
Nobody is more anti Semitic then Barack Hussein Obama.
@ Bumr50:
Eskimos?
Nevergiveup wrote:
That’s what those moron protesters want, basically.
@ Nevergiveup:
How’s it anti-Hispanic? He’s acting as if Vicente Fox is some evil leader and Perry is his puppet. That’s demonization. He’s implying these evil Mexicans are out to get you. If you can’t see it I don’t know what to tell you.
I will NOT vote for a Hispnophobe.
@ Rodan:
Could we not join the left in making up new bogus terms, please?
Mars wrote:
Sorry but you are mistaken on so many levels that it almost isn’t funny. Few people in this country have more love or respect for the US Military than I do. No I did not serve, but I am a military brat from a very long line of military people.
The members of America’s military suffer from the exact same intellectual dysfunction that put a life long committed Marxist in the Oval office. It’s the “It can’t happen here” syndrome.
The entire Democrat party is a socialist party and the majority of the Republic leadership are also socialists. It not only can happen here, it already has. America has already fallen to a Marxist coup, it now a race to consolidate that power.
If you a former Military person can’t see this, why would you expect anyone currently serving to see it or do anything about it?
@ lobo91:
It’s not a bogus term. I experienced it my life.
@ doriangrey:
Right now it’s a quiet takeover. There have been no actions committed that the military is allowed to oppose. What you don’t seem to have any grasp of is the fact that there are more contingencies for opposing an out of control government in the military rules than there are for being used against civilians. Standard military procedure for engaging civilians within this country comes down to one standard statement (it isn’t done). However there are over twenty different circumstances that the military can take over the government and reestablish democracy.
As for why nothing has happened yet, the nuts are careful and are staying on this side of the law. Once civil unrest gets to a certain point and they suspend elections, then the military is allowed to step in and depose the potential dictator.
From our view things may be bad, but our military is bound by certain laws that civilians can’t even comprehend. Things have to be completely out of control before they can step in. Being ordered to engage civilians is a big one, as is the aforementioned suspension of democratic elections. Until we hit a point like that, there is nothing the military can legally do.
But hey please continue painting the service with a broad based brush labeling them as brain washed drones. It’s not quite what I expected from someone I used to respect, but I guess you never really get to know someone online.
And to a degree you are correct on civilian law enforcement, they have a far greater allowance for engaging civilians in unrest situations. But, there would be massive defections if that occurred.
Rodan wrote:
I have no idea what perry’s relation with Fox is, but I was never a great supporter of Fox or any Mexican Politician.
@ doriangrey:
Spot on!
Rodan wrote:
Bullshit.
It’s just as bogus as “homophobia” and “islamophobia,” and you know it.
obama just said all the Republicans want is to roll back regulations? Well yeah that would be a start
@ doriangrey:
Why in the hell would you think I don’t see it? What the f do you think I’ve posted about here day in and day out? You seem to have a very confused idea of what the military is and isn’t allowed to do. I’m kind of glad that I have to go downtown right now. I’m about to say some things that would not be able to be taken back.
Do some research, learn something.
@ Nevergiveup:
You don’t like it when Isralei PM is demonized? Why should I like when a Latin leader is demonized?
@ lobo91:
Bullshit, I experienced it you didn’t so don’t try to lecture me on this, OK.
I quit listening.
Adding insult to injury, my wife is home sick and watches the Price Is Right. He’s really on a roll here, and now she’s going to completely miss the show and make the rest of my day worse.
I might hate this guy worse than any living human being in my relatively short lifetime.
Rodan wrote:
I don’t think that is the question. Are Mexican policy’s on our southern border good for the USA?
doriangrey wrote:
It may come to that. I am being prepared. Not as prepared as you are, but prepared. My main weapon is 5.56X45, and my main backup is .45. If they want to come out and play, well, I am willing to oblige them….
You kniow what, I’ll be on DOD for a while.
I guess it’s OK for other groups to call out descrimination against them. But as a Hispanic I can’t call bigotry when I see it. I’m not dealing with this BS double standard.
I call out anti-semitism, anti-White bigotry and anti-Black when I see it. But I have to be silent when it’s aimed at me.
No fucking way. If people get mad becasue I stand up for myself. Well fuck you I don’t care. Enjoy the blog without me for while.
Peace.
@ Rodan:
Relax Rhodan
doriangrey wrote:
Exactly. I don’t like to admit it, any more than anyone else, but you are right. It has happened here. The question becomes what do we do about it. Electing President Perry would be high on my list. Now that Palin is out, I suggest that you consider that option as well. Within the system, if we can. But armed to the teeth if we can’t…
Rodan wrote:
I’m not lecturing anyone.
I’m just telling you that you’re full of shit.
There is no psychological condition that amounts to an “irrational fear of Hispanics,” which is what that bogus term implies.
It’s the same crap the gays and the Islamists pulled, and we don’t need to play their game.
@ Rodan:
Man, you know I don’t feel that way. Do what you must, but you will be missed…
@ Rodan:
Nobody said any such thing.
You’re not talking about bigotry. You’re inventing new fake psychological conditions.
@ Nevergiveup:
I’m in. Let’s start with the BATF. The Bat-Fags (a term I got from a DEA agent) want to roll back freedom. Let’s show them what freedom does instead.
@ Rodan:
Mexico is a screwed up country that just happens to be Hispanic. One can certainly criticize Mexico, its government and people with out necessarily being prejudiced against all Hispanics. It’s only one country out of many. Hell, there are a lot of Hispanics here in AZ who will tell you flat out that the Mexican government sucks!
I am not sure where Rhodan is coming from. Most Republicans I know strongly support South American Leaders that support us and Democracy/Capitalism. And also support the anti-castro cubans in Florida and NJ. It’s just most of us don’t see Mexico as particularly friendly to the US and US Interests or at best unable to control their own failed State?
@ Nevergiveup:
Rodan is sensitive to this issue. I think we should respect that. Moreover, I am a knife-fighter. I believe in using whatever is at hand. Rodan is expressing the resentments of a lot of Hispanics. We can turn that itno a weapon, if we are willing to use it.
Mars wrote:
A take over is still a take over quite or violent.
And as long as the Marxist are in control that will not change, because they write the laws.
Look no further than the Rules of Engagement in Iraq and Afghanistan to see what the Marxists are able to do to the US Military.
Once that happens, the laws allowing the Military to step in will have been changed. Remember, Congress writes the laws, and as we have seen in the last 3 years, they don’t give a rats ass what the US constitution actually says.
Obamacare… Blatantly Unconstitutional.
Stripping GM and Chrysler shareholders of their stock and giving it to the Union’s… Blatantly Unconstitutional.
The Gulf Permatoriun… Blatantly Unconstitutional.
Fast and Furious… Blatantly Unconstitutional.
Ignoring the War Powers Act vis a via Libya… Blatantly Unconstitutional.
The Whitehouse and DOJ refusing to uphold and defend the DOMA… Blatantly Unconstitutional.
Obama’s Czars… Blatantly Unconstitutional.
The list goes on and on and on. Congress will do whatever they want with no regard for the US Constitution and that includes changing the laws that would have allowed the US Military to step in and end this Marxist coup. Once they have done that Posse Comitatus is just another law that they can ignore violate or change to suit their Marxist agenda.
Iron Fist wrote:
Yeah I get that, but being critical of Fox and Mexico is a seperate issue
@ doriangrey:
I have not been following this argument. But if someone wants to arm me and let me walk around arresting and scaring civilians well hell I’m all in favor of that?
@ doriangrey:
I don’t disagree with anything you have written. The question is what do we do about it. I am not up for violent revolution at this time. That is subject to change. I want a peaceful Conservative Revolution. The “Occupy Wall Street” crowd won’t like that, but fuck them with a chainsaw. This isn’t about being liked.
OT – And why the hell NOT?
@ Bumr50:
Fortunately for the EU bureaucrats, they don’t have to worry about trivial things like public opinion…
Mars wrote:
Dont worry about offending me, my skin isn’t all that thin. I have done a lot more research than you seem to think. I know who my enemies are, I know how they think and how they work, and I know what they have already achieved.
Believe me when I tell you this, no matter how angry you might be with me, I am far angrier at those who have betrayed the US Constitution and the American people.
No matter how ignorant you might think I am, nor how angry that might make you with me, we have something very important in common. Both of us love the US Constitution and the American people, James Madison and Thomas Jefferson hated each other, but they loved the US Constitution and the American people more than they hated each other. As long as the same is true of both of us, I’m ok with that.
Rodan wrote:
Hitler was indeed a socialist, and said so.
That is no defense of him or of his supporters, then or now.
Socialism is evil.
1389AD wrote:
That can’t be said enough. Our enemies areevil. Not misguided but well-meaning, not sad, or even disturbed, but evil. Until we recognize that, and call evil what it is, we will continue to lose to it. Evil relies on the good to misunderstand it.
Iron Fist wrote:
Overly sensitive in my opinion, but that is his right and prerogative. I live right next to the Mexican border, I have relatives that are of Hispanic heritage, I’m Black Irish, which technically make me somewhat of Hispanic heritage, but I am not blind to what is happening regarding the illegal immigration issue with Mexico. Nor will I turn a blind eye to it just because my nephews and nieces are of Mexican/Hispanic heritage.
Iron Fist wrote:
No… Evil relies on good people not confronting it or doing anything about it.
@ doriangrey:
Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton come to mind. I might kill you over our differences (not you, but in the generic), but we agree on the general direction of this nation, American Greatness, and so forth. Not so the fools in the “Occupy Wall Street” movement.
@ doriangrey:
Same thing, really. I think that to not confront evil, you have to mislead yourself about its nature. Good people confront evil every day, it just doesn’t make the news.
Okay, I need to correct a post I made last night because while some people have “egg” on their face, I am apparently wearing an entire omelet.
I emailed a fellow Cal alum saying how sad it was that our fellow student, Steve Jobs, had died, and she came back with “Jobs didn’t go to Cal – he just hung out with Woz so much people thought he did.”
Iron Fist wrote:
I have a respect for America’s Military people that is nothing short of hero worship, this even includes people like Mar’s who believes I am an imbecile. But just because I suffer hero worship of these people does not mean that I do not understand that they are human being just like everyone else, fallible, frail and imperfect.
They are deceived, misled and manipulated just as easily as anyone else. They are among the finest patriots and citizens America has ever produced, but they are not gods or even demigods. Look at John F’ing Kerry, John Murtha, John McCain, Mike Mullens or Colin Powell. Even Military people make mistakes and get sucked into the evil that is communism/socialsim/Marxism.
Perhaps my greatest Military hero was David Hackworth, and even he was a mere human who made mistakes.
Carolina Girl wrote:
Is there cheese in that omelet? Lot’s of good cheese?
@ doriangrey:
My greatest military hero is William Tecumsah Sherman. Sherman knew how to get it done. Absolutely kick-ass. The South had their great heros, even including Nathan Bedford Forrest (an action hero, by anybody’s definition), but Sherman was the best of both sides. Or the worst of both sides…
Iron Fist wrote:
It is my personal opinion that one of the greatest tragedies to befall America was the assignation of Lincoln, not because he was victorious in the civil war, but because his death meant that his plan for reconstruction died with him.
In Lincoln’s reconstruction plan the men and women who fought on the side of the Confederacy would have been granted fully US Military Honors are the great Americans that they were. That plan died with him and instead we got a reconstruction that demonized some of America’s finest sons and daughters.
Instead of bringing the country back together and healing the wounds of the civil war we got over 100 years of bitterness between the South and North.
This is just my opinion, if your differs that does not make it any less valid.
doriangrey wrote:
Are=as
@ doriangrey:
Lincoln wanted healing for the nation. As opposed to the current President, who wants to divide us.
@ 1389AD:
And more to the point, Socialism has an inherent need to destroy anyone who is individually successful. The Jews have always been an easy target for this primarily because there are so few of us, and we tend to be easily identifiable in a crowd. Socialists always need someone to hate, and they need to drum up hatred for some group to keep their supporters perpetually engaged in a mob mentality. The smaller the group that they can sort out for demagoguery, the better off they are. Small groups have a harder time fighting back than larger ones.
doriangrey wrote:
California Cheese from Happy Cows (just what are they putting into that cattle feed in Mendocino?)
Bumr50 wrote:
He’s desperate and into outright lying mode rather than stealth lying mode.
Buzz Ballad @ PJM: Send in the Thugs.
This protest craze is spreading.
Drove down Dandenong Rd. (major thoroughfare) this morning and hanging from a pedestrian bridge was the sign “Occupy Melbourne” and a date.
Idiots.
Mars wrote:
This goes for LEO’s too. They are mostly conservative and not mindless drones. Not to mention if the White House ‘actually’ would want the military to turn on Americans….I just don’t see that the military would do this.
doriangrey wrote:
Actually you are quite right on this note. It took the South a very long time to recover from the Civil War…Lincoln did not want that.
Iron Fist wrote:
This president is doing so much damage to this great nation it is hard for me to believe so few are seeing it.
Lost wrote:
@ Lily:
Done underestimate some of the mindless drones in the Military/LEO. I do agree, most of the military would question orders to turn on Americans, but there are those that would without question. The question for me is, to what length would the major go to stop the administration or refuse the orders.
I personally thought the ROE we were given in Afghanistan went against everything I’d ever been taught (maybe unlawful), and stated such many times while I was there. It put me in a real tough situation, but I continued to voice my concerns. It won me respect from some (not spoken out loud), down right hostility from some and a written reprimand from one asshole (I framed it and put it on my wall).
@ Tanker:
Done = Don’t