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The left’s craven love of tyranny in the Middle East and elsewhere

by Speranza ( 108 Comments › )
Filed under Anti-semitism, Egypt, Hamas, Iraq, Islamic Supremacism, Islamic Terrorism, Israel, Libya, Middle East, Muslim Brotherhood, Palestinians, Sharia (Islamic Law), Sudan and South Sudan, Syria, Turkey at October 25th, 2011 - 2:00 pm

From Gamal Abdel Nasser to Yasser Arafat  to Saddam Hussein to the Ayatollah Khomeini to the Assad Crime Family to Moammar Gaddafi to Hamas – the Left embraces the most brutal, blood thirsty and reactionary dictatorships.  In this they are naturally following in the love affair they had with Stalin, Mao, Castro and Pol Pot.  As the Mr. Greenfield points out – “the left is totalitarian and is attracted to totalitarian movements”.

by Daniel Greenfield

The left’s worst crime in the Middle East has been its support for the region’s Arab-Muslim majority at the expense of its minorities. It has supported the majority’s terrorism, atrocities, ethnic cleansing and repression of the region’s minorities. Very rarely has it raised a voice in their support, and when it has done so, it was in muted tones completely different from their vigorous defenses of the nationalism of the Arab Muslim majority.

The left is obsessed with the Arab Spring, which rewards the ambitions of Arabist and Islamist activists at the expense of Coptic, African and other minorities. It is dementedly fixated on statehood for the Arab Muslims of Israel, (better known by their local Palestinian brand), but has little to say about the Kurds in Turkey or the Azeri in Iran. The million Jewish refugees and the vanishing Christians of the region never come up in conversation. They certainly don’t get their own protest rallies or flotillas.

The Africans of Sudan could have used a flotilla, or an entire UN organization dedicated to their welfare, which the Arab Muslims who had failed to wipe out the region’s Jewish minority are the beneficiaries of. But they had to make do with third tier aid.

Unlike the Arab nationalists and Islamists of Libya, the French, English and American air force did not come to their rescue. It came to the rescue of the Libyans who showed their gratitude in the time honored way of the Arab majority by massacring the African minority. All under the beaming smiles of the selective humanitarians of the left. But what’s a little genocide between friends?

The left embraced Pan-Arabism, a race based nationalism, in line with the Soviet Union’s expansionist foreign policy. Pan-Arabism’s socialism made it easy for the left to ignore its overt racism along with the admiration of many of its leading lights for Nazi Germany. The same left which refused to see the Gulags and the ethnic cleansing under the red flag, turned an equally blind eye to the contradiction of condemning Zionism for its ethnic basis, while supporting Pan-Arabism, which was ethnically based.

[...]

As the sun of Pan-Arabism sets, the left has turned its attention to Pan-Islamism with equal enthusiasm. While Pan-Arabism allowed Christian Arabs some representation, Pan-Islamism excludes based on religion. Having endorsed a racial tyranny, the left has fallen so low that it now champions majority theocracies.

The left’s fledgling support for Kurdish nationalism has faded as Turkey has gone from a secular ally of the Western powers, to an Islamist tyranny dreaming of empire. This perverse twist of affairs has the left abandoning the national struggles of an oppressed people when their rulers align themselves more closely with the bigoted regional majority.

[...]

The pattern repeats itself over and over again as the left rises in support of racial and theocratic rule. And for all the left’s critiques of American and European foreign policy, its own foreign policy which endorses racial and theocratic rule and works to bring it about is a true crime and blot on the region.

It is no coincidence that the one country in the region that the left hates above all else, is neither Arab nor Muslim. Just as it is no coincidence that the Arab Spring replaces regimes tolerant of minorities with Islamists and Arabists. The left’s true regional agenda is the racist agenda of its Arab members. The Arab Socialists and the Islamists who have defined its regional positions have turned the left into a vehicle for their racial and theocratic agendas.

[...]

The idiots in their Keffiyahs eager to give everyone a lesson on the Middle East think the Assyrians vanished in ancient times, have no idea who the Circassians are, or the Arab Gypsies, think the Zoroastrians are a traveling circus, and couldn’t begin to tell you anything about the Druze, the Bahai or the Ahmadis– except that American foreign policy or Israel are probably to blame.

In the meantime they proudly wear a garment associated with the Pan-Arabists and their rejection of Turkish reforms– while stupidly believing that it’s all-purpose garments of revolution. But why should they care that they’re endorsing a romanticized neo-feudalism that led to mass murder and the rise of a theocratic reactionary movement disguised as nationalism. Or that these movements have inevitably led to the repression of minorities and the ethnic cleansing and attempted genocide of the region’s native inhabitants by their Arab Muslim conquerors.

The left relies on the intellectual laziness of its followers not to notice that the nationalism they support is the nationalism of medieval conquerors and the resurgence of their colonial descendants. The only two nations with any historical roots in the region are Israel and Persia. In North Africa, where the Arab Spring has burned fiercest, the left is cheering the resurgence of an Arab Pretoria, racist regimes turning into even more racist theocracies run by the great-great-grands of the men who invaded the region and destroyed much of its history and culture.

The Arab Spring, with its purges of Coptic Christians and Africans, its outpouring of hostility toward Jews, is as perverse as if the left had suddenly decided that Africa needed proper Boer rule. It’s the senseless behavior of racist idiots and totalitarian hypocrites who think that if they call you a “racist” first then they win the argument.

[...]

It is no secret that the left is totalitarian and that it is attracted to totalitarian movements. But few have been willing to say it openly and clearly when it comes to its politics in the Middle East.

The left picked Pan-Islamists over secularists in Iran and Turkey. It picked racialist fascists in Egypt, Iraq and Syria– and their local Palestinian militias. It backed Islamist and Arabist revolts again in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya. And after backing every totalitarian majoritarian regime that wasn’t too closely aligned to the United States– their one great enemy is the region’s only democratic state.

The left’s worst crime in the Middle East is its craven love for tyranny, for grand empires built on race and religion, over the national and political rights of the minority. These Apartheid states are all they care about. Their greatest effort has been set not on resolving the stateless problems of the Kurdish minority, on the national borders of Armenia or ending the Turkish occupation and settlement of Cyprus– but on adding yet another Arab-Muslim state to the region.

Palestine, the cynical project of Pan-Arabist and Pan-Islamist thugs, is the great obsession of the left. Because if there’s one thing that the Middle East doesn’t have enough of, it’s totalitarian regimes built on Arab and Islamist identity. And the one thing it has too much of is democratic state with a non-Arab and non-Muslim majority. And that one thing is what they are committed to destroying.

Read the rest: The Left’s Worst Crime in the Middle East

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108 Responses to “The left’s craven love of tyranny in the Middle East and elsewhere”
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  1. 1 | October 25, 2011 2:15 pm

    “You’re not fully dead until you’re Zestfully dead.”


  2. Speranza
    2 | October 25, 2011 2:16 pm

    The leftists (unless they pronounce the shahada) will all be killed themselves if Islam takes over.


  3. 3 | October 25, 2011 2:27 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    The leftists (unless they pronounce the shahada) will all be killed themselves if Islam takes over.

    And if history provides any lesson at all, they will be the first to go. Useful idiots are unceremoniously executed the precise moment the first descriptor is removed from their title.


  4. 4 | October 25, 2011 2:30 pm

    @ Speranza:
    @ Flyovercountry:

    They will take the Shahada.


  5. Speranza
    5 | October 25, 2011 2:31 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    @ Flyovercountry:
    They will take the Shahada.

    Oh you know they will.


  6. RIX
    6 | October 25, 2011 2:36 pm

    It is no secret that the left is totalitarian and that it is attracted to totalitarian movements. But few have been willing to say it openly and clearly when it comes to its politics in the Middle East.

    Of course the Left is totalitarian. They see themselves
    as intellectualy & morally superior.
    Therefore they see the natural order of things is for them
    to be admired & in charge.
    If they aren’t admired they will settle for in charge &
    the only way to insure it is a lefist dictatorship.
    Think the most annoying kid that you went to grade school
    with.


  7. MikeA
    7 | October 25, 2011 2:36 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Only after a few of them have been executed, to encourage the others. Since they already sympathize and are cowards with no convictions toward any belief, they will convert. Some will die with out ever knowing why these peaceful muzzies would kill them and take their wives/daughters.


  8. Nevergiveup
    8 | October 25, 2011 2:37 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    The leftists (unless they pronounce the shahada) will all be killed themselves if Islam takes over.

    And if history provides any lesson at all, they will be the first to go. Useful idiots are unceremoniously executed the precise moment the first descriptor is removed from their title.

    you promise?


  9. 9 | October 25, 2011 2:44 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    @ Flyovercountry:

    They will take the Shahada.

    And then they will be killed anyway because they are not A-rabs!


  10. Mars
    10 | October 25, 2011 2:48 pm

    Today makes this stand out glaringly. Apparently the big news today is the Tunisian elections. Several online mags and papers including the Denver Post have gone gaga over how “moderate” the Islamist Ennahda party is. This is a party that was oppressed under the previous leadership over their unwavering dedication to Sharia law. And lest we forget, we’re being told daily that Libya is taken over by “moderates” and the Egypt will have a “moderate” government.

    Obama has finished what Carter started. The complete Islamist takeover of the large swathes of Asia and Africa.


  11. coldwarrior
    11 | October 25, 2011 2:54 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Obama has finished what Carter started. The complete Islamist takeover of the large swathes of Asia and Africa.

    that has me thinking, has there been a president since, lets say, carter who has actually gone against fundamentalist muslims or protected christians in africa or the middle east?

    we have been fighting the muzz in the philipines, i mean actually killing them, not building them schools and practicing courageous restraint by not waking them up with loud noises and such.


  12. song_and_dance_man
    12 | October 25, 2011 2:54 pm

    The Left embrace Islam because the two share similar ideologies in their mutual hatred of Jews and Christians.


  13. Mars
    13 | October 25, 2011 2:56 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Other than a couple of half assed military actions, nothing comes to mind.


  14. RIX
    14 | October 25, 2011 2:58 pm

    I think that the most ironic thing is Hollywoods love
    for leftist dictators & Islamists.
    They are constatly pontificating about their creative
    freedom & artistic expression.
    Apparently most of them failed to grasp in their
    two full years of high school that their heroes
    allow no artistic freedoms


  15. 16 | October 25, 2011 2:59 pm

    @ Mars:

    Dhimmi Carter may have lost Iran…but that Stuttering Clusterfuck Of A Miserable Failure™ aka أوباما is well on his way to losing The Entire Middle East!


  16. 17 | October 25, 2011 2:59 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    has there been a president since, lets say, carter who has actually gone against fundamentalist muslims or protected christians in africa or the middle east?

    Nope. Every President, Reagan included have helped Muslim causes.


  17. 18 | October 25, 2011 3:01 pm

    @ Philip_Daniel:

    The French, Ducth and English were lackies of the Turks.


  18. coldwarrior
    19 | October 25, 2011 3:09 pm

    @ RIX:

    i quit trying to figure out the art crowd years ago


  19. coldwarrior
    20 | October 25, 2011 3:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    has there been a president since, lets say, carter who has actually gone against fundamentalist muslims or protected christians in africa or the middle east?
    Nope. Every President, Reagan included have helped Muslim causes.

    odd, that.

    maybe one day we will learn.


  20. 21 | October 25, 2011 3:10 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    If we have Perry, Cain or Gingrich.

    Romney has ties to Gulf State Arabs via Bain Bapital. He will be a good Pashas for his Islamic overlords.


  21. Philip_Daniel
    22 | October 25, 2011 3:10 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    we have been fighting the muzz in the philipines, i mean actually killing them, not building them schools and practicing courageous restraint by not waking them up with loud noises and such.

    If only the Joooooooooooooooooooooos stopped occupying Palestine, then the Moros in Mindanao and Sulu would be pacified and the insurgency in the southern Philippines would cease!


  22. coldwarrior
    23 | October 25, 2011 3:13 pm

    Philip_Daniel wrote:

    If only the Joooooooooooooooooooooos stopped occupying Palestine, then the Moros in Mindanao and Sulu would be pacified and the insurgency in the southern Philippines would cease!

    that’s right!

    then the MILF would just go away.

    /


  23. RIX
    24 | October 25, 2011 3:19 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ RIX:
    i quit trying to figure out the art crowd years ago

    They really only flourish in Western style democracies.
    If you look at Nazi & Soviet art & architecture, it is
    all state inspired. In Islam,deviating from what is
    allowed can get ugly.
    Yet the artsy crowd loathes the West.


  24. coldwarrior
    25 | October 25, 2011 3:21 pm

    RIX wrote:

    They really only flourish in Western style democracies.
    If you look at Nazi & Soviet art & architecture, it is
    all state inspired. In Islam,deviating from what is
    allowed can get ugly.
    Yet the artsy crowd loathes the West.

    self-loathing and denial. it’s that simple


  25. Speranza
    26 | October 25, 2011 3:22 pm

    @ RIX:
    Give me the art of the Impressionists and post-Impressionists any day over the Anthony (Piss Christ) Serrano’s.


  26. RIX
    27 | October 25, 2011 3:23 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    self-loathing and denial. it’s that simple

    Yeah, but with a dose of imagined superiority.


  27. coldwarrior
    28 | October 25, 2011 3:24 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    self-loathing and denial. it’s that simple
    Yeah, but with a dose of imagined superiority.

    we’ll call it ‘grandiose thinking’ to keep it all DSM-IV compliant


  28. 29 | October 25, 2011 3:25 pm

    Iran’s assassination plot compels a tough response

    John Bolton
    guardian.co.uk, Friday 21 October 2011 11.16 EDT

    The unpleasant reality is that the only alternative to a nuclear Iran is to break Tehran’s program through the targeted use of military force, either by Israel, the United States or both. This is, to be sure, a risky, unpleasant and unattractive option. It is, nonetheless, far preferable to the only existing – and rapidly approaching – alternative, which is Iran with nuclear weapons. Although unwilling to say so publicly, Saudi Arabia and other Arab states have long privately hoped for leveling Iran’s nuclear program. With the Iranian assassination plot now public, they might even smile publicly.


  29. Speranza
    30 | October 25, 2011 3:25 pm

    MikeA wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Only after a few of them have been executed, to encourage the others. Since they already sympathize and are cowards with no convictions toward any belief, they will convert. Some will die with out ever knowing why these peaceful muzzies would kill them and take their wives/daughters.

    They are always shocked when they come up against people even more ruthless then they are.


  30. Speranza
    31 | October 25, 2011 3:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Philip_Daniel:
    The French, Ducth and English were lackies of the Turks.

    No they were not lackeys. They used Turkey to balance off Spain whom they considered to be the more immediate threat. You may disagree with that strategy but that’s the way it was.


  31. RIX
    32 | October 25, 2011 3:27 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Give me the art of the Impressionists and post-Impressionists any day over the Anthony (Piss Christ) Serrano’s.

    It is not art just because they say it is.


  32. Speranza
    33 | October 25, 2011 3:27 pm

    In the article, note the picture of Anwar Sadat to on the left next to Nasser.


  33. 34 | October 25, 2011 3:28 pm

    @ Speranza:

    That’s what happened in Colombia. The FARC thought they were bullies. Then elements of the Medillin Cartel formed the AUC. The FARC met someone more brutal.


  34. Speranza
    35 | October 25, 2011 3:28 pm

    @ RIX:
    I should have used quotation marks.


  35. Speranza
    36 | October 25, 2011 3:29 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    That’s what happened in Colombia. The FARC thought they were bullies. Then elements of the Medillin Cartel formed the AUC. The FARC met someone more brutal.

    That is the way you deal with totalitarian fascists (Islamists, Marxists, etc.) don;t rad them their rights until after you’ve ventilated them with your M-16, Tavor, etc..


  36. Prebanned
    37 | October 25, 2011 3:29 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Think the most annoying kid that you went to grade school
    with.

    Aww crap that was Me.


  37. Mars
    38 | October 25, 2011 3:31 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Yep and thanks to our president, there will no longer be Narcissistic Personality Disorder in the next version. Somehow, the APA decided it was no longer a disorder right at the time the O got elected. Coincidence?


  38. 39 | October 25, 2011 3:33 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Exactly, no mercy. Kill them.


  39. 40 | October 25, 2011 3:33 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yup, I noticed that.


  40. coldwarrior
    41 | October 25, 2011 3:44 pm

    Mars wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Yep and thanks to our president, there will no longer be Narcissistic Personality Disorder in the next version. Somehow, the APA decided it was no longer a disorder right at the time the O got elected. Coincidence?

    really!

    do we have proof of that?


  41. RIX
    42 | October 25, 2011 3:45 pm

    Prebanned wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Think the most annoying kid that you went to grade school
    with.
    Aww crap that was Me.

    But you reformed, right?


  42. Speranza
    43 | October 25, 2011 3:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Yup, I noticed that.

    Sadat was a great man because he grew as a human being.


  43. Nevergiveup
    44 | October 25, 2011 3:47 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Yup, I noticed that.

    Sadat was a great man because he grew as a human being.

    Great? Hum I’m torn by that characterization. Smart for sure. He saw how to get what he wanted- the Sinai back- and figured out what he had to do to get it.


  44. Mars
    45 | October 25, 2011 3:48 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/narcissism-no-longer-a-psychiatric-disorder/

    It’s 2010, but according to my understanding the meetings that they began working on it were much earlier. 2008/2009.


  45. Mars
    46 | October 25, 2011 3:52 pm

    To be fair many psychiatrists are opposed to the idea.


  46. coldwarrior
    47 | October 25, 2011 3:53 pm

    Mars wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/narcissism-no-longer-a-psychiatric-disorder/
    It’s 2010, but according to my understanding the meetings that they began working on it were much earlier. 2008/2009.

    RIGHT ON TIME!

    (why does the timing of that not surprise me)


  47. Prebanned
    48 | October 25, 2011 3:58 pm

    @ RIX:
    I am still real annoying to some people. Not that I care. I still have every friend I ever made. I know what you were talking about though, the kind of person who can’t even get along with thier parents or siblings.


  48. 49 | October 25, 2011 4:03 pm

    @ Speranza:

    He realized Israel is going nowhere. If you leave them alone, they will not bother you.


  49. 50 | October 25, 2011 4:04 pm

    @ Macker:

    Nothing describes Barry as well as “SCOAMF.”


  50. yenta-fada
    51 | October 25, 2011 4:08 pm

    Prebanned wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I am still real annoying to some people. Not that I care. I still have every friend I ever made. I know what you were talking about though, the kind of person who can’t even get along with thier parents or siblings.

    You are not annoying. You are really really funny. :-) A true original.


  51. Prebanned
    52 | October 25, 2011 4:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    He realized Israel is going nowhere. If you leave them alone, they will not bother you.

    If you mess with them, you have to buy all new planes and tanks and stuff.


  52. Speranza
    53 | October 25, 2011 4:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    He realized Israel is going nowhere. If you leave them alone, they will not bother you.

    Oh I think all the Arabs know that Israel means them no harm. It is the very existence of a non Arab, non Islamic state that is the cause of their hatred.


  53. Prebanned
    54 | October 25, 2011 4:10 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Handy Snacky :-)


  54. Speranza
    55 | October 25, 2011 4:11 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Great? Hum I’m torn by that characterization. Smart for sure. He saw how to get what he wanted- the Sinai back- and figured out what he had to do to get it.

    What he did took courage and cost him his life. I refuse to denigrate him.


  55. Prebanned
    56 | October 25, 2011 4:12 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    He realized Israel is going nowhere. If you leave them alone, they will not bother you.
    Oh I think all the Arabs know that Israel means them no harm. It is the very existence of a non Arab, non Islamic state that is the cause of their hatred.

    That and a scapegoat to explain the utter ruin that is islam.


  56. yenta-fada
    57 | October 25, 2011 4:12 pm

    @Speranza
    Good choice of Sultan Knish today. There’s a good companion piece from Melanie Phillips on the true face of moderate arab leaders.

    http://melaniephillips.com/true-face-of-moderate-leaders


  57. yenta-fada
    58 | October 25, 2011 4:15 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Nevergiveup wrote:
    Great? Hum I’m torn by that characterization. Smart for sure. He saw how to get what he wanted- the Sinai back- and figured out what he had to do to get it.
    What he did took courage and cost him his life. I refuse to denigrate him.

    Yes, I think he knew his own people and the risks he was taking. He is the example of what Islam does to anyone wishing to make it moderate. Brave man attempting to move away from barbarism.


  58. 59 | October 25, 2011 4:15 pm

    Looks like Mitt Romney has refused to support Kasich against the government unions. In a stop in Ohio, he refused to support the referendum on government union reform.

    In June on Facebook, Flipper posted the following:

    “My friends in Ohio are fighting to defend crucial reforms that the state has put in place to limit the power of union bosses and keep taxes low. I stand with John R. Kasich and Ohio’s leaders as they take on this important fight to get control of government spending. Please visit http://www.BetterOhio.org for more information.”

    Yeah, you’re the TEA Party candidate all right, Mittens.

    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/romney-refuses-back-kasich-against-govt-unions#.Tqbz5txmJIk.twitter


  59. 60 | October 25, 2011 4:16 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yup, look at Lebanon. ARabs can’t stand non Muslims.


  60. 61 | October 25, 2011 4:17 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I’m writing a Special report on it as we speak. Mitt Romney is in the wrong party.


  61. yenta-fada
    62 | October 25, 2011 4:17 pm

    Prebanned wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    He realized Israel is going nowhere. If you leave them alone, they will not bother you.
    Oh I think all the Arabs know that Israel means them no harm. It is the very existence of a non Arab, non Islamic state that is the cause of their hatred.
    That and a scapegoat to explain the utter ruin that is islam.

    If Jews and Christians or Hindus are unavailable, Muslims scapegoat each other. That’s the result of a ‘religion’ that takes no personal responsibility for actions and venerates chairman Mo as the perfect man.


  62. Nevergiveup
    63 | October 25, 2011 4:18 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Great? Hum I’m torn by that characterization. Smart for sure. He saw how to get what he wanted- the Sinai back- and figured out what he had to do to get it.

    What he did took courage and cost him his life. I refuse to denigrate him.

    I didn’t say he didn’t have courage, not did I in any way denigrate him. I simply said I was torn by the characterization as “Great”.


  63. Prebanned
    64 | October 25, 2011 4:20 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    True, true.


  64. yenta-fada
    65 | October 25, 2011 4:20 pm

    Prebanned wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Handy Snacky

    LOL. See my pic of Moochelle and Jill Biden on CW’s side thread on Paula Deen and the Mooche.


  65. Prebanned
    66 | October 25, 2011 4:21 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    If Jews and Christians or Hindus are unavailable, Muslims scapegoat each other. That’s the result of a ‘religion’ that takes no personal responsibility for actions and venerates chairman Mo as the perfect man.

    Oh yeah they scapegoat women 24-7.


  66. Speranza
    67 | October 25, 2011 4:23 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    I didn’t say he didn’t have courage, not did I in any way denigrate him. I simply said I was torn by the characterization as “Great”.

    He made peace with Israel – for an Arab that is great.


  67. yenta-fada
    68 | October 25, 2011 4:26 pm

    Prebanned wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    If Jews and Christians or Hindus are unavailable, Muslims scapegoat each other. That’s the result of a ‘religion’ that takes no personal responsibility for actions and venerates chairman Mo as the perfect man.
    Oh yeah they scapegoat women 24-7.

    Yes, and the radical feminists are fine with that. Crazy people. Common sense is still uncommon.


  68. Nevergiveup
    69 | October 25, 2011 4:28 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    I didn’t say he didn’t have courage, not did I in any way denigrate him. I simply said I was torn by the characterization as “Great”.

    He made peace with Israel – for an Arab that is great.

    Well I’m not gonna quibble with you over a word. And this has nothing what so ever to do with Sadat, but the Israel-Egypt “peace” deal was the easy one. Sinai acts as it’s own buffer and giving it back for even a cold peace was a no brainer for everyone. Yet people act as if that “peace” is a template for all others and it is NOT.


  69. 70 | October 25, 2011 4:29 pm

    @ Speranza:

    He was killed for it by the Muslim Brotherhood whom Obama, Hillary, McCain and Ms. Lindsey support.


  70. 71 | October 25, 2011 4:30 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Did a post on it.


  71. Philip_Daniel
    72 | October 25, 2011 4:31 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The…Ducth…were lackies of the Turks.

    Well, one of the foremost Ottoman/Barbary Ghuzat, or Holy Warriors, was a man born in Haarlem, in the Netherlands, specifically in Holland itself, named Jan Janszoon, who took the name Murat Reis the Younger after “witnessing” to the Islamic credo. Needless to say, he terrorized much of northern Europe as well as the Mediterranean, including Ireland and Iceland, in search of halal slaves and halal booty, and even established a piratical “Islamic republic” in the Maghreb, originally subordinate to the Osmanli Padishah-Sultan in Qustantiniyyah but later falling under the suzerainty of the Saadi sultan in Morocco, called the Republic of Salé, from whence we derive the term “the Sally Rovers”.


  72. Prebanned
    73 | October 25, 2011 4:31 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Prebanned wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    Handy Snacky
    LOL. See my pic of Moochelle and Jill Biden on CW’s side thread on Paula Deen and the Mooche.

    LOL laughed so hard I woke the kitty.


  73. yenta-fada
    74 | October 25, 2011 4:32 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    He was killed for it by the Muslim Brotherhood whom Obama, Hillary, McCain and Ms. Lindsey support.

    upding!


  74. yenta-fada
    75 | October 25, 2011 4:33 pm

    Prebanned wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    Prebanned wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    Handy Snacky
    LOL. See my pic of Moochelle and Jill Biden on CW’s side thread on Paula Deen and the Mooche.
    LOL laughed so hard I woke the kitty.

    :-)


  75. Speranza
    76 | October 25, 2011 4:33 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Nasser wouldn’t do it because it is not about where you draw the territorial boundaries.


  76. Speranza
    77 | October 25, 2011 4:34 pm

    @ Speranza:
    King Hussein also became a great man.


  77. 78 | October 25, 2011 4:36 pm

    @ Philip_Daniel:

    No shocker there.


  78. Nevergiveup
    79 | October 25, 2011 4:36 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    Nasser wouldn’t do it because it is not about where you draw the territorial boundaries.

    Well Nasser never would have agreed, or agree and stick to, the demilitarization of the Sinai or sign a formal peace treaty with Israel. And while it is not and was not about territorial boundaries in reality, Egypt wouldn’t budge one sand grain off the international border.


  79. 80 | October 25, 2011 4:37 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    It’s the truth. The Democratic Party annd the Elites of the GOP are fanatical whorshippers of Democracy. They would back Satan himself against God is the devil was fighting for “Democracy”.

    It’s becaome a religion for our elites.


  80. Nevergiveup
    81 | October 25, 2011 4:38 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    King Hussein also became a great man.

    you throw that term around a lot ha? But rather than argue with about whether King Hussein was great or not, lets just say his son is NOT


  81. Speranza
    82 | October 25, 2011 4:42 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    King Hussein also became a great man.

    you throw that term around a lot ha? But rather than argue with about whether King Hussein was great or not, lets just say his son is NOT

    Dude it is my opinion. I will not turn on those who made peace with Israel. Feel free to do so if you want to, I will not participate in it.


  82. Speranza
    83 | October 25, 2011 4:44 pm

    The very same people who killed Sadat, are now on the verge of taking over in Egypt.


  83. Nevergiveup
    84 | October 25, 2011 4:45 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    King Hussein also became a great man.

    you throw that term around a lot ha? But rather than argue with about whether King Hussein was great or not, lets just say his son is NOT

    Dude it is my opinion. I will not turn on those who made peace with Israel. Feel free to do so if you want to, I will not participate in it.

    I don’t see how not calling everyone “great” is turning on anyone? Since when is an honest appraisal such a bad thing?


  84. yenta-fada
    85 | October 25, 2011 4:47 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    It’s the truth. The Democratic Party annd the Elites of the GOP are fanatical whorshippers of Democracy. They would back Satan himself against God is the devil was fighting for “Democracy”.
    It’s becaome a religion for our elites.

    One world government. I don’t have to listen to conspiracy programs to see this kind of action rising. The elites want to bring the U.S. to its knees so that it can be better controlled. They are their own government who hold nothing sacred imo. There is a set up for UN world governance with agenda 21. ‘They’ get everyone excited about partisan election battles while a ‘supercommittee’ was formed in Congress. That’s something that needs a post. I don’t know much about it, but they certainly aren’t discussing it in the MSM.


  85. Speranza
    86 | October 25, 2011 4:48 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    But an honest appraisal of The GOP Establishment (which I think sucks a big one) is verboten? Sorry but I don’t buy that. It is guys talking in a bar throwing opinions around. Nothing more or less.


  86. Speranza
    87 | October 25, 2011 4:50 pm

    Anyway get the last word in, I am heading home.


  87. Nevergiveup
    88 | October 25, 2011 4:51 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:
    But an honest appraisal of The GOP Establishment (which I think sucks a big one) is verboten? Sorry but I don’t buy that. It is guys talking in a bar throwing opinions around. Nothing more or less.

    Who ever said an honest appraisal of the Candidates is verboten. And I am still waiting for a list of who is the GOP establishment and elites? But what that has to do with calling everyone who ever signed a peace treaty with Israel”Great” I don’t get?


  88. yenta-fada
    89 | October 25, 2011 4:51 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    The very same people who killed Sadat, are now on the verge of taking over in Egypt.

    Yes they are. Libya went straight for Sharia and will go downhill from there.


  89. 90 | October 25, 2011 4:51 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    I used to dismiss that way of thinking. Now I totally bel,ieve that is the goal of the Democrats and the Progressive wing of the GOP. They want a One World Government.

    Count me as a Convert.


  90. Alberta Oil Peon
    91 | October 25, 2011 4:53 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Sadat was a realist. A property that is rare amongst Arabs.


  91. 92 | October 25, 2011 4:53 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    And I am still waiting for a list of who is the GOP establishment and elites?

    I can provide it.


  92. Nevergiveup
    93 | October 25, 2011 4:55 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Nevergiveup:

    And I am still waiting for a list of who is the GOP establishment and elites?

    I can provide it.

    I’m sure you could


  93. 94 | October 25, 2011 4:55 pm

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:

    Agreed!


  94. 95 | October 25, 2011 4:57 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    Ron Paul and the Tobacco companies run the GOP. That’s what Charles Johnson says!

    He would never be wrong!
    /

    :lol:


  95. Alberta Oil Peon
    96 | October 25, 2011 4:58 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Like the islamists, they only worship Democracy until such time as it vaults them into power, and from that point onward, they try to stifle the voice of the people.


  96. m
    97 | October 25, 2011 5:00 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Give me the art of the Impressionists and post-Impressionists any day over the Anthony (Piss Christ) Serrano’s.

    Has anyone caught “Work of Art: America’s Next Great Artist”? These days, they seriously go for the UGLY.

    This one lady had planned to use *shit* in her expression, but when they reworked it instead she made a mechanical pervert set in a park that gets a woody when you pull it’s string.

    And she took second in that challenge.

    Friggen crazy.


  97. Nevergiveup
    98 | October 25, 2011 5:00 pm

    Orlando Jones: Liberals Need to Kill Sarah Palin!
    October 25th, 2011 11:38 AM by Free Britney

    37

    The death of Moammar Gadhafi set off a string of celebrations throughout Libya, concerns among the international community … and absurd comments on Twitter.

    An instant, harmless classic: “Lunch with Gadhafi, cancelled.” – Steve Martin.

    On Saturday, though, actor Orlando Jones went in a different direction:

    “Libyan Rebels kill Gaddafi, if American liberals want respect they better stop listening to Aretha & kill Sarah Palin (:” wrote the star … drawing a harsh rebuke.

    Read more celebrity gossip at: http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2011/10/orlando-jones-liberals-need-to-kill-sarah-palin/#ixzz1bpUVrWkG

    A guy like that needs to be taken out behind the gym and have the shit beaten out of him


  98. Mars
    99 | October 25, 2011 5:01 pm

    Saying the left want or likes democracy is very misleading. They use the term democracy to cloak their true intentions. Totalitarianism with they themselves in charge. All true leftists are just little totalitarians at heart. They believe the only reason that previous dictators failed was that they were not as smart, charming, ruthless, creative, ….on and on. They believe they are the greatest people ever even while hating themselves, and wish nothing more than to grab up all the people who ever hated, insulted, doubted, or looked funny at them. Then they will imprison, torture, and murder those people who for so many years failed to give them the respect they so truly deserved.


  99. 100 | October 25, 2011 5:01 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Like the islamists, they only worship Democracy until such time as it vaults them into power, and from that point onward, they try to stifle the voice of the people.

    Yup, Bloomberg is a prime example.


  100. Mars
    101 | October 25, 2011 5:02 pm

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:
    Exactly my point. Thank you.


  101. 102 | October 25, 2011 5:02 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:

    That guy is a sick fucker. He shopuld have the living crap beaten by him.


  102. 103 | October 25, 2011 5:03 pm

    New Thread. It’s a appreciation thread!


  103. NoThreat2U
    104 | October 25, 2011 5:04 pm

    http://www.downtwinkles.com/


  104. Mars
    105 | October 25, 2011 5:06 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    The only reason he was rebuked was because he outwardly stated what they all feel. Opinions like that are only supposed to be discussed in private. Or until the “Glorious Revolution”.


  105. Alberta Oil Peon
    106 | October 25, 2011 5:06 pm

    @ Nevergiveup:
    More like he needs to have 180 grains of lead beaten into him at 2200 fps.


  106. Alberta Oil Peon
    107 | October 25, 2011 5:09 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    Is that a breakfast cereal, or a laundry soap? All I see is blank page.


  107. 108 | October 25, 2011 5:26 pm

    Nevergiveup wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Nevergiveup:
    And I am still waiting for a list of who is the GOP establishment and elites?
    I can provide it.
    I’m sure you could

    Heh.


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