VDH dissects the quagmire that Herman Cain has found himself in. “Abandon Hope, All Ye Who Enter”, well, read it:
Abandon All Hope, Ye Who Enter Here,” is the placard that raderman Cain must have read last week when he descended into the Sexual Harassment Inferno, from which he has not yet emerged.
I thought it was only a matter of when, not whether, Gloria Allred, the leftwing billboard lawyer, would show up at a press conference with more “evidence” of Cain’s “serial” transgressions against the meek and defenseless of yesteryear. All the usual Allred landmarks were there: her crass quip, “stimulus package”; the “no-questions” evasion of cross-examination; the long-distant, heretofore-dormant act of harassment some 14 years in the past, whose graphic details were not shared at the time even with close friends, but are now oddly to be disclosed to 300 million.
Odd, that. But then, women are like that (was that insensitive of me? Oh, my!). Whither do we go from here:
As of now, Cain has confessed only to expressing admiration for a female worker’s height, as best he can remember that remark and perhaps others some years back. Most establishment conservatives — perhaps mindful of the fates of Christine O’Donnell and Sharron Angle — don’t necessarily disbelieve Cain but do feel that four or five “victims” are too many and that Cain’s responses are too sloppy. He thus should confess at least to a married roving eye, or perhaps even leave the race — and thereby ensure that a Ross Perot–like tea-party candidate without any political experience won’t blow an otherwise good Republican chance to unseat Barack Obama.
Cain’s supporters bewail the unfairness of it all — the three previous anonymous accusers, the fourth identified when coaxed by Gloria Allred, a fifth, and who knows how many more, who years later suddenly feel pangs of conscience — as they reckon up the relative media uninterest in sex-poodle Al Gore, the serial wenching of Bill Clinton, or Eliot Spitzer’s prostituting — not to mention the fact that the National Enquirer was alone in breaking the John Edwards love-child story. All that is in antithesis to the supposed sex talk of Clarence Thomas, Donna Brazile’s demand for George H. W. Bush to “’fess up” about a supposed affair, or the rumors that were floated about Dan Quayle, who supposedly had danced “extremely close and suggestively” with a Washington lobbyist.
Ah, yes, the foibles of powerful men. men, men, men! Men should be under watch, 24-7-365. They need to be in PC Prison, or at least all of them need to be on Parole, to be revoked any time any woman feels the least bit uncomfortable. VDH asks the question I’ve been wondering about:
Cain, who has not as of yet actually been accused of engaging in sexual intercourse with a female subordinate, finds himself in the “sexual harassment” labyrinth, from which there are few paths out in the present era. The idea of “sexual harassment” started out as a noble enough effort to stop the proverbial casting couch — to stop mostly older men in positions of power from coercing younger women to acquiesce in sex in return for, at worst, keeping their job, or, at best, getting a promotion. One then wonders why Ms. Bialek did not simply lodge just such a complaint against Cain 14 years ago — since his supposed efforts to force himself on her would clearly have been a violation of her person, a criminal assault well beyond sexual harassment.
Sexual assault is what Ms.Bialek (however you pronounce her name) alledges. That is a serious thing, but she has treated it most unseriously. 14 years? Was she too traumatized to call the police? Yet now she shares it with the masses, courtesy of a compliant Media machine that wants to destroy Conservatives with the mindless voracity that Napoleon wanted to conquer Russia.
He continues, a little down the page:
In Phase III of the evolution of sexual harassment, sex was sometimes absent altogether — as we see in many of the latest Cain charges. Mere inference, attitude, or a single word was enough to destroy a career. I have also seen sexual-harassment charges in academia hinge on the strong odor of a male colleague’s cologne, or a supposed overhearing of what was meant to be a private conversation. In both cases, the supposed victims were not required to come forward and be identified. They filed their complaints “to put on notice” a dean or department chairman of “a potential problem” — a fallback position should a publication record not quite earn tenure.
The power of such inferences is based on the transformation of a subjective female response into an unanswerable “Guilty until proven guilty” charge of, essentially, being male in a world that the female of the species wishes to dominate.
Read the whole thing. As usual, VDH tears them a new one. He doesn’t hold out much hope for Herman Cain, though. Neither do I, really. My hopes for this election are few, and my regrets many. Obama is the most vulnerable President since Hoover, but we may prove to have a weaker field than Hoover faced.
Tags: Herman Cain, VDH
Don’t write Cain’s obit yet.
VDH is spot on, except for this conclusion.
I’m going to stand with Cain for as long as possible.
While I like him as a candidate, at this point it’s got more to do with principle than anything.
If the media can knock him out with this, it will only embolden them. Already they’re showing their anger and frustration at Cain’s stubborn ability to hang in there.
Cain 2012.
NEVER ROMNEY.
@ Bumr50:
You’ll never see me cheerleading for Romney. If it comes down to it, and it is Romney or Obama, I’ll hold my nose and do the deed. And hope the SOB picked a good VP and has a heart attack minutes after taking the oath of office…
@ Iron Fist:
If I vote for him, I will symbolically wear a clothespin on my hose.
I don’t know if I can.
@ Bumr50:
In 2008, I voted against Obama, not for McCain. In 2012, it looks like the Republican Party is going to give me the oppertunity to repeat that process. In AA, they say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting to get a different result. The Republicans need a 12 Step program to get them off of RINOs.
Oh, and bloodbath on Wall Street today. The Dow is down almost 400 points. It’ll really crash if Obama is re-elected.
I’ll still vote for him. He should just come out and say “I’m not Bill Clinton”
In this country we need seriously to start slapping down these hysterical objections to life that some of the unhinged want people to accept as reality. The democratic party is built on a lot of political correctness and character assassination that has no basis in a productive reality.
I had a co worker wield a butterknife at me dangerously in an elevator once. She was married. I was in a relationship. But we had fun for the elevator ride. It was just a little bit of flirting. No one minded.
Now years later would she accuse me of sexual harrassment? Or me her? Only if our characters were made of crap. Hermain Cain should not let the anonymous accusations prevail
I’ve seen a lot of harassment in fun and in serious across my life. Most of it you just let it go unless you need to comfront the person on the spot. If you didn’t it’s probably not that serious.
If there was a serious problem you escalated it to the boss or the police to get some actual documentation going. Everyone for decades has known that documentation is needed.
much ado about nothing unless there is a papertrail.
Weiner actually had photos and lies following him that were provable.
@ Iron Fist:
We can thank the losses of 08 and 06 for this mess.
@ Iron Fist:
The Republican Party is run by a bunch of Corrupt International Socialist Saudi Ass kissing scumbags.
It’s time for a new Rightwing Party based on Individual Freedom, Economic Freedom, American National interest (not the spread Democracy crap)and anti-Islamist.
I’ve given up on the GOProgressives.
@ Rodan:
Yep, and for those we can thank “Republicans” who got fat and lazy, and decided that they, to could buy votes with pork and take favors just like the Democrats. The Dems ran a bunch of “Conservative” Democrats and won. Of course, Democrats are Democrats. They haven’t changed any significantly since the Civil War. But Republicans acting like Democrats cost us the House and Senate, and the GOP’s stupid policy of running the next guy in line gave us McCain, who worked out about as well as Dole, the last time we tried that strategy. And that is the strategy we’ll employ this time around. Like I said, the GOP needs to get on a 12 Step program. The first step is admitting they have a problem. The GOP, especially the “Elites”, have a major case of denial.
@ Bumr50:
I’m shocked, I tell you! Shocked!
I want to see these current GoP candidates rally around Cain. That would consume the news cycle.
After Paterno retires
After the Jackson family sells his death bed for profit.
@ Iron Fist:
To be fair, the Republican Party has historically been Center Left Progressives. It was just with Reagan that it went Right. Then the GOP used Social Issues to cover up their Progressive economic agenda. What good is family values if your economic polcies makes economic conditions hard on the American families.
I’m glad many Social Cons like you are not falling for this shit no more and demand, Economic and Fiscal Conservatism! The GOP’s little decpetion and manipulation of the Base is up. Now the base wants results!
@ Bumr50: She’s a piece of work. She is the reason the term bitch slap was invented.
And how do we know these women can even remember Cain accurately and that unstable imaginations haven’t blown the whole thing out of proportion. It took a long time for Sandusky to get outed and there were a lot of guilty people there. But Cains transgressions here seem light. Surely there must have been a woman he successfully slept with them? He can’t have been a failure at every flirting overture then. We would definitely then judge him not of Clinton caliber. There must be a woman out there willing to come forward and say “I had great sex with Herman Cain”
I think some of this is stirring up the racial stereotypes that exist in all democrats. And in a bad way not in a good one.
@ Rodan:
We have twice given the House to the GOP. They are, to be fair, doing a bit better this time than they did last time. People like Paqul Ryan are making something of a difference. But I want to see a vigorous GOP. If we take the Senate next year (and I think we will), I want to see bill after bill after bill on Obama’s desk. The one reason I will vote for Romney is that I think if we do the same thing to him, he (being the political chamelon that he is) will sign the bills Obama would veto. The key thing is to take the Senate with real conservatives. We need more Rand Pauls (despite what we all think of his father) not more Mitch McConnells.
I was a witness to blond on black crime once. I was waiting with a woman at a bus stop and someone was assaulted by a black guy who ran away. The police came and questioned us. Next thing I know the woman is telling the police that the perp is overthere about 3/4 of a block away. It was a different black guy. i had watched the other one run a different way and the two didn’t really look that much alike. I had to tell the policeman that she was mistaken and why. They questioned him anyway.
She became mute when she realized that she might be wrong. But probably to this day it is still in the back of her mind that she might have been right.
@ orangecrush:
Relevant repost from last thread.
Fox just reported that CNBC has indicated that they WILL talk about the Cain allegations during the debate tonight.
I would boycott.
I might threaten to not show up if I’m Cain. I don’t know.
Maybe get in touch with the other campaigns to force an agreement.
They’ll turn it into a freak show.
Santorum and Bachmann will pull a “holier than thou” and warn everyone how dangerous Cain is, even though there’s no proof.
@ Bumr50:
They are doing everything they can to sink a Cain candidacy. Cain scares them. It has united the Progressive Elite. Pay close attention to who is piling on. You’ll learn that some you thought were friends aren’t really your friend.
@ Bumr50: Throw back on Bill Clinton. Throw it back on the Obama is gay rumors. Well that might sink him… lol. Real sex abuse in the modern era has a document trail. Not some left over imagination behind it.
I’ve heard Obama is getting a vomitorium installed in the White House for him, Pelosi, and Reid. Boehner is not welcome.
@ 20 Bumr50: Time for Cain to prep thoroughly and get his damage control house in order. It seems a little weak so far.
@ orangecrush:
I thought his presser was as good as it could have been yesterday.
He got a good lawyer too.
@ Iron Fist:
You’re more optimistic than me. I think if Romney is President, the GOP will roll over and play dead. Any Conservative who stands up to his Liberalism, will be silenced. We saw this movie before 2002-2006. I really don’t trust nor like the GOP too much. They haven’t doen jack shit on any issue I care about.
Agreed. If Romney tries to govern with a coalition of Liberal Republican and Democrats, a Conservative block can make life hell for Mitt, Boehner and McConnell. If Romney tries to silence the Conservative block, then Conservatives can tell the GOP to fuck off, and we start our own Rightwing American Interest Party.
If Romney is the nominee I will vote Libertarian. Romney wants to send Ameerican soldiers to die for the Internationalist/Islamic Democracy crap. As a Nationalist, I can’t vote for an Internationalist.
Children.
I’ve had affairs when I was young. Some of the worst mistakes I every made. Everyone gets hurt in the end. Better to rein it in, keep the zipper zipped and if someone married wants to date you, ask them to get a divorce first if they are really interested. Yah maybe the forbidden thrill is gone, but the garbage is also gone.
It’s not uncommon. People shouldn’t treat it as a rare situation. I’ve met a lot of people who hate cheating but cheat themselves when it suits them most. And deny it. Most reporters probably fall into that category. I’ve met a lot of women who accepted their husbands cheating ways, but then cheated themselves as a sort of equalizer. In some cases it stabilizes the marriage, in others it breaks them apart.
I’ve met white women who obsessively pursue black men for various reasons of which love is seldom one of them. Let’s be careful out there. Lol.
Can such a person be President? I consider Obamas weakest sin larger than Cains biggest sin. If we are going to compare sins in this election lets put it all on the table and etch it into every ballot.
@ Bumr50:
Interesting. That is more or less what I expected. They want the automatic cust because they gut the military. The Republicans were stupid as fuck (or complicit) in taking the compromise that they did. Now we’ll pay the price through a damaged military. Score on efor the
badObama Guys…I just watched the procession of a funeral for a hometown guy killed by a suicide bomber in Afghanistan the other week.
It was beautiful. And long.
No Phelps presence (thank goodness) but there was one black lady raising hell because the cops blocked the road and she “gotta get to work!”
I wanted to smack her.
@ orangecrush:
Everyone is human, and in this day and age there are no secrets.
@ 25 Rodan: If it is Romney there will be a set of voters who would then prefer an Obama win in order to set up power for the next election cycle.
The GoP does not have its house in order. Note the Rove delight in Tea Party fails. The GoP leadership does not understand how to work with the Tea Party.
Christopher Newman
God bless him.
@ m:
Amen.
@ orangecrush:
I’m of that opinion. Come 2016, The GOP will have all stars and Obama will have wrecked the country to the point that Progressivism will be discredited.
@ m:
Get the troops out.
@ Rodan:
Plus a GOP Senate may fight Obama where they;’d roll over for Romney. I can certainly see your point.
it will be interesting to see how cnbc handles this debate. this should really test their journalistic integrity.
screw this up and peeps will start watching bloomberg instead…
@ coldwarrior:
CNBC? Journalistic integrity? Yeah, that ain’t happening. I am betting it is like National Enquirer TV, with more ambushes of Cain than there have been on both sides in Kandahar in the last ten years…
Iron Fist wrote:
cnbc is not msnc…cnbc reporter rick santelli helped start the tea parties on the floor of the chicago merk. cnbc is a financial network and this is an economics debate. i can forsee a oss of viewership if they mess this up because a huge percentage of people who watch these networks arent democrats.
@ doriangrey:
@ coldwarrior:
Ah, OK. My mistake. I hope they do it right, then.
Iron Fist wrote:
there is a very small audience for cnbc and bloomberg tv. and this audience requires facts and data for decisions. actually, cnbc boots this and they could lose ‘true info’ credibility and viewers and that means $$$.
@ doriangrey:
@ coldwarrior:
Group accusers = shreiking harpie Voltron.
The lovely Ms Bialek in the past made an allegation
about Chicago radio personalities, Steve Dahl & Gary
Myer.
Sheclaims on audio tape that the two of them hit on she
$ her sister at Wrigley Field when she was 14 years old.
problem with the story Dahl didn’t set foot in Chicago
until he was 26 years old. There is a six year age difference,
so she would have been 18.
He also claims that it never happened & he is a Sox fan.
Bumr50 wrote:
robotech would kick the voltron’s asses.
@ RIX:
damnit!
i wish we had carville working the ‘nuts and sluts’ angle for cain.
Rodan wrote:
I sure hope you are right.
@ RIX:
Someone should tell Howard Stern.
He thinks it’s a smear job, and it would allow him to trample this floosie.
The Dow was off 385 today. Somebody is displeased. It’ll really tank if Obama wins next November (364 Days from Today)…
coldwarrior wrote:
That’s right, Carville knows how to treat a gal!
RIX wrote:
after the crap clinton and teddy got away with, i really dont give a whit about sexual harassment since the rules only apply to certain people.
Bumr50 wrote:
I’ll bet that he could.
@ coldwarrior:
Yeah, after they changed the definition of sexual
harassment, the Libs sound silly here.
As far as Clinton, rape is not actually rape if the
Statute of Limitations has run.
I just joined ‘Honkies For Herman’ and they have a pretty great pdf to use against Romney, no matter who you support.
Anti-Romney PDF
obama and the dems are the enemy
Bumr50 wrote:
i prefer to call myself a krakah for cain!
word.
coldwarrior wrote:
Like I told Doc yesterday, I was the CEO of a Record company from 1993 to 1998. I have seen my share of employment contracts and HR Complaints (and believe me, in the music industry everybody has been sexually harassed, or at least claims they have). If you have seen one corporate HR policy handbook, you have more or less seen them all.
After awhile certain things become clear. During the 90′s 90 percent of the sexual harassment claims were frivolous claims by women or gays thinking they could extort more money out of the company they worked for by making such a claim against a co-worker or supervisor. this kind of fraud was so pervasive during the late 90′s that a pretty much standardized method of dealing with the problem arose.
The laws regarding sexual harassment made it illegal for one company to inform another that a prospective employe had a history of accusing their co-workers or supervisors of sexual harassment.
So a “secret code” as it were, except it isn’t secret or a code evolved. Legally as a CEO or HR representative I cant tell you that Ms. B filed a false sexual harassment claim against someone in my company. But there is no law preventing or discouraging me from informing you that Ms. B was released from her contract and given a severance package of 20 percent of her yearly salary.
A severance package typically is for 70 percent of outstanding balance of the contract. Had the employe been discharged for criminal conduct, they would not have received a severance package.
By telling you that the individual did not receive the standard severance package I am telling you that this is a problem employee. When the individual in question is a woman or is gay, that almost always means that they have made a claim against the company of a sexual nature, either discrimination or harassment.
Yes, this really is how it works.
Nevergiveup wrote:
anyone to the left of me is a potential political enemy.
Nevergiveup wrote:
Absolutely.
They are not the only ones, though.
coldwarrior wrote:
The link in your headline thread is busted.
@ coldwarrior:
@ Bumr50:
If anyone else has noticed, while we fight amongst ourselves in this circular firing squad, obama is gaining in the polls.
@ doriangrey:
i agree that is how it works, i was corporate in the mid 90′s to mid 00′s.
@ Nevergiveup:
It’s a primary!
They have their guy already.
No worries, this is healthy.
Nevergiveup wrote:
its called the primaries for a reason.
pres voting is a year away
Nevergiveup wrote:
The status quo is the real enemy. If we don’t change course we’re screwed….
BREAKING: Moochelle shows up at Zoocotti Park.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
Not sure what you mean buy that. yes the status quo is bad, but obama is so far left of anything we have ever seen before, we have to get rid of him no matter what
Nevergiveup wrote:
like this:
obama spends 5 trillion
liberal republican spends 4.2 trillion
either way we are screwed. real tax/spend/econ change has to occur or it will occur for us.
fact of the matter is, we got lucky so far that the US economy has not come under the microscope yet because europe is getting all the attention and the US is still a relative haven for money.
once europe implodes and the dust settles, the next country under the scope is the US. then we will see a greece redux here and spending will be cut for us. i would rather pick the cuts myself instead of the IMF or whomever doing it for us.
Bumr50 wrote:
I just joined also! Got the pdf saved too. Thanks
coldwarrior wrote:
Yeah I get that and always have, my only point is obama is much worse than that
@ NoThreat2U:
No problem!
I assumed you were already there since I’ve heard you say “honkies for herman” before…
Nevergiveup wrote:
econ collapse in 4 years w obama or econ collapse in 8 years with a liberal big govt republican is still collapse. the problems are easier to fix the earlier we get on with it.
frankly, i doubt that america can handle what is necessary to get the economy back on track and pay down these debts. so, it would be better to collapse earlier than later so we can get it over with.
@ Bumr50:
I have been calling myself a Cracka4Cain. lol
@ coldwarrior:
People are downright afraid of the changes that need to happen, and are too ignorant to understand them.
Bumr50 wrote:
ruh ro….
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Trustees at Penn State University have called an executive session for tonight and are likely to discuss leadership of the university, including embattled President Graham Spanier and head football coach Joe Paterno, an official confirmed today.
Referring to the child sex assault scandal that is quickly enveloping the state’s flagship public university, a statement drafted internally says “given the circumstances, there are some executive sessions being scheduled. One of them is today.”
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11313/1188680-100.stm#ixzz1dFYGNhGd
Brilliant.
Bumr50 wrote:
they quit teaching econ in schools for a reason.
@ coldwarrior:
They’re all toast.
Corbett’s gonna lay the hammer down.
@ coldwarrior:
Also…
New Thread.
@ Bumr50:
I need to find the quote, but I think Allwet commented that he got the lawyer in order to “intimidate” the women. The man is an established and competent LIBEL lawyer. And he has a greater claim to a seat at the table in the scandal than Allwet – what does Bye-a-lick need with an attorney?
@ Bumr50:
had psu nailed that sodomizing pedophile when the crimes occurred, none of this would be happening now
By the way, they’re trying to say that there are now five – count ‘em five! – women, but it’s starting to appear that claimant #2 is actually Buy-a-lick (Bennett called her “Sharon from Chicago” previously) and No. 5 is a completely bogus claim. We have No. 3, which is all about supposedly spending the night at Cain’s condo, but where is she?
coldwarrior wrote:
Oh we could handle it alright, but there are very few politicians who have the balls to do what is necessary. Until we get politicians that aren’t crooks it will not get done.
What needs to be done is so simple it is frightening. The Federal Government and the state governments need their budgets cut by 40% then we need a constitutional amendment that makes it illegal not just to spend more than 75% of projected revenue, but a federal felony to even try.
Go to a flat tax with zero exemptions, 10% on individuals and 15% on businesses. Reduce the regulatory environment by 50%. Switch from the current retirement system to the Chilean model, and put everyone who commits medicare fraud in prison for 20 years. The American economy would be the envy of the entire world within 3 years and the US Deficit paid off in 7 to 10 years.
@ doriangrey:
sold!
coldwarrior wrote:
The genuinely frightening thing, is that that really is all it would take.
DAVID AXELROD’S PATTERN OF SEXUAL MISBEHAVIOR