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Remember January 3rd 2007? I do…And you should too!

by Bob in Breckenridge ( 114 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Business, Cult of Obama, Democratic Party, Economy, Elections 2012, George W. Bush, government, History, Politics, Progressives, Regulation, Republican Party, Socialism, Tranzis, unemployment at December 30th, 2011 - 11:30 am

January 3rd 2007

This is a history lesson. It is the truth and nothing can change it.

The day the Democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was actually January 3rd 2007, the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, at the very start of the 110th Congress.

The Democratic Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.

For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is “Bush’s Fault”, think about this:

January 3rd, 2007, the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress:

The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77!

The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%!

The Unemployment rate was 4.6%!

George Bush’s Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB CREATION!

Remember that day…

January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy? BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES! THANK YOU DEMOCRATS (especially Barney ) for taking us from 13,000 DOW, 3.5 GDP and 4.6% Unemployment…to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac FIASCOES!

(BTW: Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie -starting in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy. Barney blocked it and called it a “Chicken Little Philosophy”, and the sky did fall!)

And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac? OBAMA!

And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie?

OBAMA and the Democrat Congress, especially BARNEY!!!!

So when someone tries to blame Bush…REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007…

THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!

Bush may have been in the car but the Democrats were in charge of the gas pedal and steering wheel they were driving the economy into the ditch.

Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democratic Party. Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008, 2009, 2010 & 2011.

In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.

For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budget.

And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009. Let’s remember what the deficits looked like during that period:

If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.

If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself.

In a nutshell, what Obama would be saying if he was honest is “I inherited a deficit that I voted for, and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th.”

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114 Responses to “Remember January 3rd 2007? I do…And you should too!”
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  1. buzzsawmonkey
    1 | December 30, 2011 11:43 am

    Excellent points.

    If these points—and Obama’s connection to them—were distilled into a series of ads that ran from now until Election Day 2012, there would be about 50 safe-seat Democrats, maximum, left in the entire federal government, and a number of others who had been tarred and feathered.


  2. 2 | December 30, 2011 11:47 am

    George Bush’s Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB CREATION!

    Not true. Job Growth under Bush was anemic.

    During Bill Clinton’s two terms, that figure was 22 million. So how are our 21st century presidents doing?

    Before 2008, the George W. Bush administration cited figures of 6 million. By the time, he left office it was closer to 3 million.

    [....]

    Gordon notes that the housing-led recovery from 2001 through 2007 was an anemic expansion from the viewpoint of employment. The employment-to-population ratio, something akin to labor force participation, fell from 64.3% in the first quarter of 2001 to 62.8% in the fourth quarter of 2007. “The seemingly minor 1.5% drop in the ratio represents more than 3.6 million ‘missing’ jobs—even before the recent recession,” Gordon explains.

    Bush’s Liberal polices were a failure. The reason the unemployment number was low because he inherited low numbers. Even at the peak of the 2001-2003 recession it went no higher than 6.2%. So bringing it down to 4.6% is nothing to crow about.

    Annual GDP Growth under Clinton/Gingrich Congress was 3.6%
    Annual GDP growth under Bush/Tom Delay Congress/Nancy Pelosi Congress was an anemic 2.6%

    Bush was an economic failure. Progressive economic whether a Republican or Democratic don’t work. It’s time for Conservatives to stop defending Bush’s failed economic policies.


  3. citizen_q
    3 | December 30, 2011 11:50 am

    if he was honest is

    Heart of the problem.


  4. coldwarrior
    4 | December 30, 2011 11:57 am

    if one uses non-anualized aka real gdp, the truth. then we actually have been in a negative gdp growth, a recession since 2001

    chart here

    the other charts that the govt uses are annualized so that there is a positive reporting bias, meaning that if gdp goes down 10% in one year then goes down ONLY 6% the next year that year is a 4% gain! viola!

    the fact is you are still down 16 from baseline.

    so, this economic problem started under bush in 2000/2001.


  5. 5 | December 30, 2011 11:58 am

    Bush and Obama both suck on economic and fiscal policy. They are both Economic failures as presidents.


  6. coldwarrior
    6 | December 30, 2011 11:58 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Excellent points.
    If these points—and Obama’s connection to them—were distilled into a series of ads that ran from now until Election Day 2012, there would be about 50 safe-seat Democrats, maximum, left in the entire federal government, and a number of others who had been tarred and feathered.

    that is true, the dems did not help the econ situation at all they made a bad situation far worse.


  7. 7 | December 30, 2011 11:59 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    It actually started under Clinton in 2000. The bust of the Tech Bubble is what put us where we are. The Bush Administration facilitated the housing bubble to bouy things a bit, but when that blew, the whole house of cards came down.


  8. coldwarrior
    8 | December 30, 2011 12:00 pm

    the fact is the president ‘owns’ the economy. that is just how it is and should be as he is, after all, the executive.


  9. coldwarrior
    9 | December 30, 2011 12:01 pm

    @ Rodan:

    jobs chart, using ‘real data’

    downward trend there as well


  10. 10 | December 30, 2011 12:01 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    so, this economic problem started under bush in 2000/2001.

    Bingo! The Housing bubble covered up the anemic job and GDP growth. I did a post on America’s lost decade.

    Fact wages are down from 2000. Even during the “Bush Boom”, wages never recovered to their 2000 level.


  11. coldwarrior
    11 | December 30, 2011 12:02 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    tech bubble, questionable fed activity, 9/11, WOT costs, increased govt spending.

    we were due


  12. 12 | December 30, 2011 12:02 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    It actually started under Clinton in 2000. The bust of the Tech Bubble is what put us where we are. The Bush Administration facilitated the housing bubble to bouy things a bit, but when that blew, the whole house of cards came down.

    Very true. The Tech bubble bursting should have been the warning sign. Bush dropped the ball and Obama put us over a cliff.


  13. 13 | December 30, 2011 12:03 pm

    @ Rodan:

    The slide started under Clinton. Bush was elected at the end of 2000, but did not take office until 2001.


  14. 14 | December 30, 2011 12:03 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Bush’s deficit spending weighed down our growth.


  15. coldwarrior
    15 | December 30, 2011 12:04 pm

    @ Rodan:

    in the 2000′s reaL wealth was not being created, living on credit somehow got confused with wealth.


  16. 16 | December 30, 2011 12:05 pm

    I sure hope we can defeat G. W. Bush in 2012!


  17. 17 | December 30, 2011 12:05 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    He still didn’t do anything to fix our structural problems. He doesn’t get a pass on me for his failed Economic/Fiscal policy. Did the bubble burst under Clinton, yes. But Bush should have enacted an Economic Conservative agenda. Instead he enacted Progressive polices. If not for the Housing Boom, he would have had a worse record than he did.


  18. 18 | December 30, 2011 12:06 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    in the 2000′s reaL wealth was not being created, living on credit somehow got confused with wealth.

    Yup!


  19. 19 | December 30, 2011 12:06 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I’ve made that mistake myself, in my personal finances, and now the time has come to pay all of that off. I think a lot of Americans are there. What does personal debt to GDP look like? I bet is is as scary as the Federal Debt.


  20. 20 | December 30, 2011 12:07 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    I sure hope we can defeat G. W. Bush in 2012!

    That’s why we are trying to prevent Romney from getting the GOP nomination.


  21. 21 | December 30, 2011 12:07 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    We all made the mistake.


  22. coldwarrior
    22 | December 30, 2011 12:07 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    The slide started under Clinton. Bush was elected at the end of 2000, but did not take office until 2001.

    he did nothing to fix the underlying problems. replacing real wealth with easy credit was a quick fix…then comes the drag of increased deficits…


  23. coldwarrior
    23 | December 30, 2011 12:08 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    I sure hope we can defeat G. W. Bush in 2012!

    or a bush ‘clone’. learn from the mistakes of the past.


  24. 24 | December 30, 2011 12:10 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    The Tech Bubble Burst should have been a warning sign. Had Bush enacted Economic and Fiscal reform when he had 80% approval after 9/11, None of this would be happening and I would be applauding Bush. Instead, he used his political capital to Spread Democracy in Iraq. Itw as a lost opportunity.

    I wiosh he had fought for Social Security reform as hard as he did to invade Iraq.


  25. 25 | December 30, 2011 12:10 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Mitt Romney = Bush III.


  26. coldwarrior
    26 | December 30, 2011 12:12 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    What does personal debt to GDP look like? I bet is is as scary as the Federal Debt.

    household debt is 13 trillion, the gdp is about 15 trillion.


  27. 27 | December 30, 2011 12:12 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    And the Dems’ “It’s Bush’s fault!” chorus is getting a bit weak, so we need to make certain we’re all chipping in.

    This is politics, you know, not physics or mathematics.


  28. coldwarrior
    28 | December 30, 2011 12:13 pm

    all that said, obama is far far worse.


  29. 29 | December 30, 2011 12:14 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Nothing was Bush’s fault. He was the greatest president ever! He was just a bystander and not responsible for anything!


  30. 30 | December 30, 2011 12:14 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    if one uses non-anualized aka real gdp, the truth. then we actually have been in a negative gdp growth, a recession since 2001

    chart here

    the other charts that the govt uses are annualized so that there is a positive reporting bias, meaning that if gdp goes down 10% in one year then goes down ONLY 6% the next year that year is a 4% gain! viola!

    the fact is you are still down 16 from baseline.

    so, this economic problem started under bush in 2000/2001.

    Didn’t this start with the tech bubble burst in 2000…under Bill Clinton?


  31. coldwarrior
    31 | December 30, 2011 12:14 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    And the Dems’ “It’s Bush’s fault!” chorus is getting a bit weak, so we need to make certain we’re all chipping in.
    This is politics, you know, not physics or mathematics.

    no, its economics mike. the dismal science. sorry but facts are facts and poo-pooing them as politics is intellectually vacant.


  32. 32 | December 30, 2011 12:14 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    That is still pretty hefty. We have become a credit heavy culture, and that needs to change. It is certainly changing in my personal life. I am going to be paying down debt for some time to come. I have come to hate debt with a passion, and I want to get rid of mine as quickly as I can.


  33. 33 | December 30, 2011 12:15 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    all that said, obama is far far worse.

    Bush was a Burglar, Obama is Serial Rapist/killer and Cult leader all rolled up into one!


  34. 34 | December 30, 2011 12:16 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Bush did nothing wrong. He was an innocent bystander!

    remeber, he was a republican and the GOP is awesome!

    We have to be loyal to the Party!


  35. coldwarrior
    35 | December 30, 2011 12:18 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Bush did nothing wrong. He was an innocent bystander!
    remeber, he was a republican and the GOP is awesome!
    We have to be loyal to the Party!

    our side is supposed to get economics right and create real wealth.


  36. 36 | December 30, 2011 12:19 pm

    @ Macker:

    After further review….yeah, Bush dropped the ball. He should have just nuked Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and the Magic Kingdom™!


  37. 37 | December 30, 2011 12:19 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    The politics of the situation are every bit as important as the econoimcs. Bush was a political failure even though he was a two-term President because he did not fight for ihis ideas in the political arena. He allowed the Left to attack him unanswered for eight years. That culture of acquiesance is part of what brought us Obama. McCain ran as the passive candidate, and lost. I am very much afraid that we are going to be stuck with a repeat of that this coming year.


  38. 38 | December 30, 2011 12:20 pm

    @ Macker:

    Can I get an Amen?

    AMEN!!!11ty!! 8O


  39. 39 | December 30, 2011 12:21 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    The politics of the situation are every bit as important as the econoimcs. Bush was a political failure even though he was a two-term President because he did not fight for ihis ideas in the political arena. He allowed the Left to attack him unanswered for eight years. That culture of acquiesance is part of what brought us Obama. McCain ran as the passive candidate, and lost. I am very much afraid that we are going to be stuck with a repeat of that this coming year.

    Well said, well said!

    That is why for 2012, I want to get it right. The Right can not afford another Bush type Presidency.


  40. 40 | December 30, 2011 12:21 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    SO SAY WE ALL! 8)


  41. 41 | December 30, 2011 12:21 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ Macker:
    After further review….yeah, Bush dropped the ball. He should have just nuked Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and the Magic Kingdom™!

    Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  42. coldwarrior
    42 | December 30, 2011 12:21 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    some debt is necessary and good. a mortgage on a house you can afford and maybe a car payment on a car you can afford, plus a credit card for emergencies. these are good for the economy.


  43. coldwarrior
    43 | December 30, 2011 12:22 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ Macker:
    After further review….yeah, Bush dropped the ball. He should have just nuked Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and the Magic Kingdom™!

    :lol:

    most cost effective!


  44. coldwarrior
    44 | December 30, 2011 12:23 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    the executive gets the blame, that is why he is the executive, he is ultimately responsible


  45. 45 | December 30, 2011 12:23 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    And applying any sort of science, dismal or otherwise, to what is going to be an emotional, political (but I repeat myself) election is self-defeating. If Rodan would kick-start his brain, he might recognize that in his statements regarding Obama’s cult status.

    If I was James “Jimmy the Snake” Carville, and in charge, I’d be trolling every so-called right wing blog for exactly these discussions and broadcasting them near and far. “See -- these guys think their own guys are horrible!” And in fact, that is exactly what the current Dems and the media are doing -- promoting any and all evidence of how splintered the right is. And it’s working.


  46. 46 | December 30, 2011 12:24 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Macker:
    @ coldwarrior:

    I think Bush meant well but was not prepared for the Progressive assault, Rise of Islam or economic changes that had occurred. He would have been a good peace time President. We need a visionary leader in the 2000′s. Bush was not that. He was the wrong man for the wrong times. He would have been better being President in the 90′s.


  47. coldwarrior
    47 | December 30, 2011 12:25 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    i will not yields facts to party loyalty; even if these facts hurt my side.

    our side is fractured, this is going to be a nasty primary/convention.


  48. 48 | December 30, 2011 12:27 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Do you want to defend the Bush record?

    Be our guest.

    Let’s go fact vs. Fact. You have a soft spot for Bush and that’s admirable. But we are dealing in facts.

    Bush was an economic and political failure. Do you deny this fact?
    Bush was a Rockefeller Liberal Republican and NOT a Conservative like Reagan. Do you deny this fact?

    If what I stated above is not true, please provide facts to back up your disagreement.


  49. 49 | December 30, 2011 12:30 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Proof of Bush’s progressive “Compassionate Conservatism” is found in Medicare part “D”. Why should I be taxed to pay for Warren Buffet’s perscription drugs just because he is old? He can more than afford to pay for his drugs, as I pay for mine. That was a progressive abomination that should have never seen the light of day.


  50. 50 | December 30, 2011 12:31 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I’ve always held the opinion that the Pяogressive assault stemmed from the fact of how the 2000 Election turned out.


  51. 51 | December 30, 2011 12:32 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Do you think it will ever be possible to repeal Medicare Part D?


  52. 52 | December 30, 2011 12:32 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Do you want to defend the Bush record?
    Be our guest.
    Let’s go fact vs. Fact. You have a soft spot for Bush and that’s admirable. But we are dealing in facts.
    Bush was an economic and political failure. Do you deny this fact?
    Bush was a Rockefeller Liberal Republican and NOT a Conservative like Reagan. Do you deny this fact?
    If what I stated above is not true, please provide facts to back up your disagreement.

    No. What I want is Obama out of the White House come January 2013. I’ll leave preventing W from moving in again up to you. I’m sure you can do it.


  53. coldwarrior
    53 | December 30, 2011 12:33 pm

    @ Rodan:

    i take bush over his dad, clinton, and obama any day. that doesnt mean he didnt make mistakes. hell, no one is perfect


  54. coldwarrior
    54 | December 30, 2011 12:36 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Do you think it will ever be possible to repeal Medicare Part D?

    good luck with that! it can be doen but it has to be done slowly and with much explaining and positive private market alternatives.


  55. 55 | December 30, 2011 12:38 pm

    @ Macker:

    Probably not. I am hopeful that one day we willl means test it. If we want to help people in poverty buy their perscriptions, fine, but let’s not pretend it isn’t welfare. And especially let’s not tax the middle class to pay for welfare for the rich retirees. That is insane.


  56. 56 | December 30, 2011 12:38 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I would take Clinton over Baby Bush because of Economics. But hey either of them is preferable to this POS False Messiah Cult Leader we have!


  57. 57 | December 30, 2011 12:40 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    We will do all we can to stop Romney (W’s clone).

    Ok an intelelcutally honest question.

    I know you want Obama out, but is a Progressive Republican really any better? If lets Romney wins and governs just as Obama lite, will you defend him like you did Bush. Or will you turn on him for being a Progressive?

    Just curious.


  58. 58 | December 30, 2011 12:40 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Clinton killed 80 men, women, and children in the name of gun control. He was an awful President, and only looked good because the tech sector took off. The tech sector would have taken off in Mickey Mouse had been President as long as Mickey didn’t do something stupid like try to break up Micor$oft…


  59. coldwarrior
    59 | December 30, 2011 12:41 pm

    @ Rodan:

    clinton was good on economics after the congress (newt) pushed him to the right. but it was his choice to move to the right, so he gets the credit as the executive


  60. 60 | December 30, 2011 12:42 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I’ve always held the opinion that the Pяogressive assault stemmed from the fact of how the 2000 Election turned out.

    100% correct. Bush didn’t seal the deal there.


  61. 61 | December 30, 2011 12:44 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I think Bush would have been perfect for the 90′s. He was more of a managerial type. In the 2000′s we need a visionary leader. We did get one in 2008, but it was an Evil Un-American Vision.


  62. coldwarrior
    62 | December 30, 2011 12:44 pm

    another sad chart:

    the decline of the dollar


  63. 63 | December 30, 2011 12:46 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Lower dollar means lower standard of living.


  64. 64 | December 30, 2011 12:48 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Newt and the GOP Congress actually deserve more of the credit.


  65. 65 | December 30, 2011 12:49 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    We will do all we can to stop Romney (W’s clone).
    Ok an intelelcutally honest question.
    I know you want Obama out, but is a Progressive Republican really any better? If lets Romney wins and governs just as Obama lite, will you defend him like you did Bush. Or will you turn on him for being a Progressive?
    Just curious.

    Well, just yesterday you were saying that we’re all doomed no matter what, so does it really matter? Or is that not the case today?


  66. 66 | December 30, 2011 12:52 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I don’t think Яomney is a clone of GWB per se. More along the line of a different model. Like, say, differentiating between Twos and Fives. Ones are out, because they are Atheists. 8)


  67. 67 | December 30, 2011 12:53 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yes, a busness-friendly legislative environment will lead to better job growth. The GOP forgot that in the 2000s. Neither party is worth a bucket of warm piss, IMHO, but the Republicans have the advantage of not being evil. That is, unfortuantely, the situation we find ourselves in today.


  68. 68 | December 30, 2011 1:06 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Yes, we are doomed because the GOP elites want Romney. Replacing a 3rd World Liberation Marxist with a Progressive is not the answer. If it was an Economic Conservative replacing Obama, I would feel optimistic.

    But since the powers that be will shove Romney down our throats, we are doooomed ™.


  69. 69 | December 30, 2011 1:08 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    That’s why I don’t trust the GOP. Tom Delay was a criminal and an outright Progressive. Bohener was a lackey of Delay. A Romney Presidency with Boehner and McConnell will be a disaster for the right. That’s why if Romney would some how beat Obama, Conservatives should bolt the GOP and form a new Party. That way, our ideology will not be tarnished with Romney’s Liberal polices.


  70. 70 | December 30, 2011 1:08 pm

    @ Macker:

    Good point. He’s a different model Cylon.


  71. coldwarrior
    71 | December 30, 2011 1:09 pm

    @ Rodan:

    we arent doomed yet.

    the pumps are primed, there is tons of money sitting in the banks ready to fund expansions. get some stability, cut some regulations, reduce govt spending, drill drill drill build nukes, help manufacturing move back on shore, and we can be kicking ass again in a few years.


  72. coldwarrior
    72 | December 30, 2011 1:11 pm

    funemployment chart

    “The seasonally-adjusted SGS Alternate Unemployment Rate reflects current unemployment reporting methodology adjusted for SGS-estimated long-term discouraged workers, who were defined out of official existence in 1994. That estimate is added to the BLS estimate of U-6 unemployment, which includes short-term discouraged workers.”


  73. 73 | December 30, 2011 1:12 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    None of which is going to get done it today’s political environment. If we get a Republican President, we may end Obama’s disasterous moratorium on domestic energy production, but we won’t be building many nuke plants. Not unless Congress gets rid of the EPA entirely. And that just isn’t going to happen. It isn’t politically doable, no matter how economically advisable it is.


  74. 74 | December 30, 2011 1:13 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    If Romney somehow wins it all, we need to destroy his Presidency. Then in 2016 elect a Conservative.


  75. 75 | December 30, 2011 1:15 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    So in reality, we are at or above Depression levels of unemployment. Comparing apples to apples we are, at any rate. The GOP should be pounding this, but they are a bunch of spineless old women when it comes to confronting the Democrats.


  76. 76 | December 30, 2011 1:15 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Even with a Republican President like Romney don’t hold your breath. Romney is a green believer and is a supporter of the EPA. That’s why should he be President, Conservatives need to revolt and destroy him politically. If not, we will get Andrew Coumo in 2016 and say bye bye America!


  77. coldwarrior
    77 | December 30, 2011 1:16 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    these are very simple steps, very easy to do if the gop wins the house/senate/white house.

    do these things and turn the economy, and thereby destroying the democrats for a generation.


  78. 78 | December 30, 2011 1:16 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The GOP should be pounding this, but they are a bunch of spineless old women when it comes to confronting the Democrats.

    They rather bash the Tea Party and support OWS.


  79. 79 | December 30, 2011 1:16 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    If we get the right Republican. If its Romney, aint happening.


  80. coldwarrior
    80 | December 30, 2011 1:17 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    So in reality, we are at or above Depression levels of unemployment. Comparing apples to apples we are, at any rate. The GOP should be pounding this, but they are a bunch of spineless old women when it comes to confronting the Democrats.

    we are in a depression if we go by real gdp numbers.

    6 years of negative gdp growth.

    a recession is two or more quarters of negative growth, a depression is long term negative growth


  81. coldwarrior
    81 | December 30, 2011 1:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    If we get the right Republican. If its Romney, aint happening.

    i still dont think romney wins the nomination. his polling numbers are abysmal away from NH.


  82. Speranza
    82 | December 30, 2011 1:19 pm

    @ Rodan:
    He, like Gingirch, was/is a big government conservative.


  83. 83 | December 30, 2011 1:20 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    And Obama still stands a good chance of being re-elected. I admit I don’t have much hope for our long-term future. We are well and truly fucked, and ill-served by our entire political class.


  84. Speranza
    84 | December 30, 2011 1:20 pm

    Pray for a brokered convention.


  85. Speranza
    85 | December 30, 2011 1:21 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    If Romney somehow wins it all, we need to destroy his Presidency. Then in 2016 elect a Conservative.

    No you do not destroy a Republican presidency, you try to change it if it is not to your satisfaction. Destroying a Republican presidency will get you another Barack Obama.


  86. coldwarrior
    86 | December 30, 2011 1:21 pm

    some encouraging polling data…

    But while 18-to-29 year-old Americans are reliable Democrats, their enthusiasm for Obama and presidential politics has waned, setting the stage for an uphill struggle to turn out the vote.

    Forty-nine percent of millennial voters approve of Obama, according to the Pew Research Center, down 23 points from February 2009. They are also the least interested in or engaged with the current campaign, the study found.

    Only 17 percent of millennials said they are following election news closely, while just 13 percent said they’ve given a lot of thought to the candidates, a 15 point drop from the same period four years ago.


  87. 87 | December 30, 2011 1:26 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Romney will not dio anything for us Conservatives. He’s a Progressive. If Conservatives roll over and support him like they did Bush, then we will get another Obama.

    If Conservatives revolt and stop Romney’s Progressive agenda, then in 2016 we primary Romney and replace him with Marco Rubio/Bobby Jindal/Nikki Haley/Pat Toomey/Allen West/Susana Martinez. Or worse case a new Party.


  88. 88 | December 30, 2011 1:28 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Pray for a brokered convention.

    I will be here in Tampa for that. I will see if I can get a press pass to live blog.

    I’m a rabble rouser so I might try to get a revolt going!
    :evil:


  89. Bumr50
    89 | December 30, 2011 1:31 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I would and will attack Romney if he fails to govern as a conservative.

    OTOH, if he pulls a 180 and actually starts listening to his base and governing accordingly I’ll defend every decision he makes to that end.

    To hold back simply because he happens to be a registered Republican would be both foolish and insulting to my and others integrity. I simply don’t care about party affiliation.


  90. 90 | December 30, 2011 1:31 pm

    Interesting read:

    Holder’s Racial politics


  91. 91 | December 30, 2011 1:32 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I agree with you there. We do everything we possibly can (legally) to get Romney to tack right if he is elected. I don’t hold out much hope for that, but if we have both the House and the Senate, maybe we can make a run at replacing Boehner and McConnell with some decent people.


  92. 92 | December 30, 2011 1:33 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Agreed! Once Obama is gone, Romney will be enemy #1 for me. He will have to earn my support. If he actually does Conservative things, I will then not attack him. I doubt he will since he’s a Leftist so I am ready to have daily Romney bashing threads come November 6th.


  93. 93 | December 30, 2011 1:34 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I guess November 6th in case of a Romney win we will become political opponents. :-(

    At least we will still bash Islam together!


  94. Speranza
    94 | December 30, 2011 1:34 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I agree with you there. We do everything we possibly can (legally) to get Romney to tack right if he is elected. I don’t hold out much hope for that, but if we have both the House and the Senate, maybe we can make a run at replacing Boehner and McConnell with some decent people.

    Exactly. Quite concur!


  95. 95 | December 30, 2011 1:36 pm

    I can tell if Romney is president that my threads will be war zones. I hate to argue with friends :-( , but my nation’s survival is stake. I will not put Party loyalty over principle.


  96. 96 | December 30, 2011 1:36 pm

    @ Rodan:

    And the Democrats. Don’t forget who the main enemy is.


  97. 97 | December 30, 2011 1:37 pm

    @ Speranza:

    We will have top have debate threads ready! You defending President Romney and me going against him.

    I think it will be cool in a way. It shows we are not a monolith like some blog of a washed up Jazz Guitarists who hates Pets!


  98. 98 | December 30, 2011 1:38 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I think it will be cool in a way. It shows we are not a monolith like some blog of a washed up Jazz Guitarists who hates Pets!

    And Pam Geller…


  99. 99 | December 30, 2011 1:40 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    If Romney becomes President, my nick will be permanently called Rightwing Rebel.

    My first post if Romney wins will be called Rodan writes no more. I will be Rightwing Rebel after that.

    Although my Pro-Israel threads, anti-Islam and anti-Progressive threads I might still write under Rodan.


  100. 100 | December 30, 2011 1:40 pm

    @ Speranza:
    @ Iron Fist:

    Check out my Holder thread.


  101. 101 | December 30, 2011 1:43 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I’ve already commented on it. Holder is dispicable. I still think Janet Reno was worse, though. She was the worst AG we’ve ever had, bar none.


  102. Speranza
    102 | December 30, 2011 1:44 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    I think it will be cool in a way. It shows we are not a monolith like some blog of a washed up Jazz Guitarists who hates Pets!

    And Pam Geller…

    I think that she and Charles Johnson’s feud was because they had way too much in common then any so called differences.


  103. Speranza
    103 | December 30, 2011 1:45 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I’ve already commented on it. Holder is dispicable. I still think Janet Reno was worse, though. She was the worst AG we’ve ever had, bar none.

    John Mitchell and Ramsey Clark dissenting on that.


  104. 104 | December 30, 2011 1:46 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Historically the worse feuds have been between people who are similiar. Hitler vs. Stalin is an example.

    I saw a good documentary about Mussolini last night. He should have followed his initial instincts and not buddy up with Hitler.


  105. 105 | December 30, 2011 1:46 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    Even with a Republican President like Romney don’t hold your breath. Romney is a green believer and is a supporter of the EPA. That’s why should he be President, Conservatives need to revolt and destroy him politically. If not, we will get Andrew Coumo in 2016 and say bye bye America USA!

    There, fixed that for ya!


  106. Speranza
    106 | December 30, 2011 1:47 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Not a Romney or Newton fan so you might have debate your self.


  107. 107 | December 30, 2011 1:47 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Holder is a Black Power/3rld World Liberation ideologue. That man should not be AG.


  108. Speranza
    108 | December 30, 2011 1:48 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Historically the worse feuds have been between people who are similiar. Hitler vs. Stalin is an example.
    I saw a good documentary about Mussolini last night. He should have followed his initial instincts and not buddy up with Hitler.

    Hitler and Stalin admired each other. Mussolini was completely delusional -- thought he was another Caesar.


  109. Speranza
    109 | December 30, 2011 1:48 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Holder is a Black Power/3rld World Liberation ideologue. That man should not be AG.

    Yes and his boss should not be president.


  110. 110 | December 30, 2011 1:50 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yes he wanted to recreate the Roman Empire and Vassalize Latin America. His army couldn’t even beat the Greeks. The Greek Army actually held 1/3 of Albanian before the Nazis jumped in. This delayed Barbarossa.


  111. 111 | December 30, 2011 1:52 pm

    @ Rodan:

    His army couldn’t even beat the French. Italy has some good gunmakers, but their army has never measured up to modern standards. Well, not since they stopped being called Rome


  112. 112 | December 30, 2011 1:59 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Even in the Roman Empire, Italians were not the best Legions. The best Legionaries were Spaniards, German Mercenaries, Greeks and Dalmatians.

    Italians have made great military commanders. In the Spanish Empire, The Duke of Parma was Italian and under him, the Spanish never lost a battle. Interesting though, Italian units in the Spanish Army were actually pretty good. Sicilains were as good as the Spanish and Neapolitan and Lombards were decent.

    But Italisns fighting for Italy, not good at all.


  113. 113 | December 30, 2011 2:05 pm

    New thread.


  114. 114 | January 3, 2012 2:31 pm

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