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Fox News will be hosting the first traditional-style debate this week prior to the South Carolina primary coming up this Saturday. CNN will be airing a debate on Thursday evening also from South Carolina. Tonight’s debate is sponsored by Fox News, The Wall Street Journal and the South Carolina Republican Party. It will be held at the Myrtle Beach Convention Center featuring five of the GOP hopefuls as they battle for South Carolina delegates and beyond.
Participants: Romney, Perry, Gingrich, Santorum, Paul
Tags: Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, Ron Paul
weaselzippers is saying Santorum is winning…..in Iowa
So is this the 1000th or 1002nd debate for this primary?
They could abandon the infighting during the debates if the damn moderators were not sitting there with popcorn going “fight! fight! fight!”
Get him Rick!!!
SMACK!!!
Ромни…BUSTED!
Santorum is ripping Romney a new one.
@ Runner:
200,000!
@ Rodan:
Subject?
Santorum is feisty tonight.
@ waldensianspirit:
Inaccurate negative ads.
Hopefully, either Santorum or Gingrich will defeat Romney in South Carolina. At this point, anybody before Paul, and Romney in that order.
@ Bumr50:
Ah, good solid ground
*outsider question*
If Romney wins the SC primary its that pretty much the nail in the coffin as far as the nomination goes or could it drag on longer with him winning each primary. I’ve never really followed the presidential nomination process in the past.
Also, does it have anything to do with the size of Mitt Romney’s penis?
@ Rodan:
Seems like it, doesn’t it?
tuco wrote:
You’ll have to ask the magic underwear.
Magic Underwear vs Power SweaterVest. Which will win?
Romney turns every answer into a stump speech full of sweeping platitudes.
Ron Paul looks like he is sucking on a lemon.
He wants to cut military money not defense money? WTF?
@ tuco:
The first question, it depends upon his margin of hypothetical victory. If Santorum or Gingrich gain a close second, either of them could gain momentum for later states. With the proportional delegate rules that went into effect this year, that could easily translate into better funding and organization for later on down the road.
You are on your own for the second question.
Paul is nuts.
The Osprey wrote:
But his eye brows will never meet and become a unibrow; his obvious greatest fear
The Osprey wrote:
The Ronulan Praetor is a FUCKING ASSHOLE!
@ tuco:
We have a total of 50 states that get to vote. All these are just for show. Iowa won’t tell PA what to do.
Macker wrote:
FTFY
@ waldensianspirit:
He sure ain’t no fucking Vulcan….
Is Williams there expressly for the purpose of asking those usual idiotic lib questions we miss by not having a debate hosted by MSNBC?
Kelly Evans…has my attention.
Does Romney poll so well because he talks in lofty rhetoric and stays away from offering specifics?
@ Bumr50:
He polls well because most GOP voters are Sheeple. They do what the establishment tells them to do.
I just read that Rick Santorum actually won in Iowa. Whoopie! Go Rick, if not Newt or Perry.
@ Flyovercountry:
Yup.
Rodan wrote:
Yup.
@ Flyovercountry:
My problem with Santorum is he’s a statist like Romney. He should run for Pope.
Flyovercountry wrote:
Where did you see that? Do you have a link?
Was it HERE?
Juan Williams is asking strawmen questions.
@ 1389AD:
weaselzippers has an entry about it. Not sure if it is newer but it talks about 80+ votes
Newt Gingrich just hit a grand slam!
Actually, I saw it on the news feed from Hot Air.
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/york-final-count-could-show-romney-lost-iowa/316366
@ 1389AD:
Good job on beating them both! I should read your blog more.
Good God. The asshole just called Newt a racist.
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Newt!
Juan Williams just found out that even on MLK Jr. Day Newt don’t play pander bear.
@ Flyovercountry:
@ Bunk X:
Newt just turned the tables on Juan Williams!
@ Bunk X:
And Newt just bitch slapped him back! That’s the Newt we’ve been missing since mid December.
@ Rodan:
AND A STANDING O for Newt!
The Osprey wrote:
That’s not the same as Sexual Harassment Panda, is it?
@ Rodan:
Don’t forget that in the Legislative Bodies, it is much easier to paint someone as squishy due to the fact that they are one of many, and not executives. Santorum was in a body where compromise and surrender were part of the culture to achieve what ever outcomes he was seeking. No, his record is not perfect, but truthfully, his conservative creds. are not at all bad.
Good bye Little Paul.
@ Flyovercountry:
Currently Levin endorses Santorum
@ The Osprey:
Newt turned the tables! Its racist not to instill work ethics in young blacks.
waldensianspirit wrote:
I’m warming to Santorum. Maybe it’s the sweater vest.
@ Flyovercountry:
He’s against Individualism.
This is not a Conservative attitude. Santorum is a Collectivist. No thanks.
Flyovercountry wrote:
He really turned the tables.
Macker wrote:
No, but he’s closely related to White Guilt Panda.
The Osprey wrote:
Oh, really> If he gets the nomination, that will hand Penna to Obama.
Try winning the WH w/o Penna
Ron Paul: “Why didn’t we get some information from him?” Uh, Dr. Paul, you don’t believe in coerced interrogation.
Newt just kicked Paul’s ass.
@ Rodan:
Not really. He is against anarchists which is a conservative position
Holy Shit. Ron Paul is frakkin nuts!
And the Ronulan Praetor gets a cascade of BOOBIRDS!
Newt! BANG ZOOM!
Ron Paul gets booed. I love hearing that.
Where is one of those long hooks…to grab Paul by the neck and haul him off stage?
Ron Paul is an embarrassment. WTF?
Nice answer Romney.
“Kill em all.”
Way to throw the red meat out there.
Jackass.
@ waldensianspirit:
Individualism is Anarchist now? Sorry, Individualism is the heart of Conservatism.
If anyone still supports Ron Paul after that tirade then I would suggest they are no different than Jeremiah Wright and his ilk.
Runner wrote:
That’s an understatement.
Romney wants to keep propping up the Heroin Narco regime of Afghanistan.
eaglesoars wrote:
So who do you think has a better chance of winning Pennsylvania?
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@ refugee000:
Pants him first.
@ Bumr50:
BULL-SHIT!
@ Runner:
Funny, that has already been said in a video. Great minds.
Rodan wrote:
Nope. Never said Santorum that. He said when it is taken far right enough it becomes anarchism.
The Osprey wrote:
Romney would be my guess.
They HATE Santorum in Penna.
Runner wrote:
They aren’t. Many will continue to support him because he slyly calls for the destruction of Israel among other racist beliefs like blacks are 95% criminals
@ waldensianspirit:
That’s what Conservatism is, leave me alone. Santorum is NO Conservative. He’s a Collectivist. Maybe the definition of Conservatism changed. If so, I am not a Conservative. I am a Rightwinger who believes in personal freedom.
@ eaglesoars:
They HATE Romney is PA also. Ask Coldwarrior and Bummer.
Rodan wrote:
I know, but I’m guessing they’d hold their noses and vote for the devil they don’t know instead of the devil they’ve already lived with.
Guessing is the operative word here.
@ Rodan:
I am starting to use the term classical liberal myself.
OT: I was at the Texas Saddle Up Straw Poll in Houston this weekend an Ron Paul polled over 50%.
They are organized and show up.
It is time to recognize this guy as a playa.
…and I do not support him.
unclassifiable wrote:
Who was allowed to vote?
@ eaglesoars:
Check my headline, 75% of Obama voters are voting FOR Obama. 58% of Romney supporters are voting against Obama., This is very bad in aclose election. This means Obama voters will be more determined.
I give Obama the edge in November. His people love him and will go all out for him. Our side will be getting drunk and voting out of duress. It’s actually sad.
@ eaglesoars:
I could tolerate Santorum, as long as he doesn’t preach or legislate morality from his office. And not everyone in PA hates Santorum. He was gotten rid of because his children attended a cyber school that was not affiliated with PA at the time, at the expense of his PA residential school district. Things have changed. And really, everyone needs to stop making predictions. Remember when we all thought it would never be possible for Bammy to get elected??? Nothing is a given yet. And I suggest, if we really don’t want Romney, don’t be so quick to ignore or discount the other candidates.
@ eaglesoars:
PA’ers know them both. Probably know Santorum more.
@ unclassifiable:
He’s tapping into many on the Right are sick of this useless war and Bailouts. It’s a protest vote. This new movement needs to be noticed. The Paulians are not going away anytime soon.
@ Rodan:
Anyone buying a ticket at 15+ a whack.
Trust me the Paulians were there and not hiding it (not loud but noticable).
@ unclassifiable:
@ Rodan:
This is Laup Nor’s last hurrah. He won’t be doing this in 2016
Tax rhetoric is meaningless without a congress to back it up.
@ NoThreat2U:
I could tolerate Santorum, as long as he doesn’t preach or legislate morality from his office
That’s exactly what he will do. He wants the government to control people’s personal lives. He views the government as a representative of the family. He’s a Religious Progressive.
NoThreat2U wrote:
Oh, that’s HARDLY the only reason he was booted. Hubby had to take clients to meet with him and he treated them – his own constituents!- with contempt and disdain. As he did other members and as did his staff.
Word gets around.
@ waldensianspirit:
There’s Rand Paul and he has spawned a movement.
@ eaglesoars:
Here
@ waldensianspirit:
Don’t be so sure about that. To wit: Lyndon LaRouche.
@ Rodan:
Our side is doing Obama’s work for free by chewing each other up.
@ waldensianspirit:
Biology, it’s a b*tch:D
/for the secular folks I guess
@ Rodan:
Let not your heart be troubled. I personally know quite a few former Obama supporters who are aghast at what he’s done. And they are not the few that are pissed that he’s too moderate, but rather the rest who felt deceived by his campaign rhetoric. And while they may not actively support a Republican nominee, they just cannot vote for someone like Obama again.
Newt is for the Chilean system.
Rodan wrote:
And terrifying. I understand. BUT – one thing I think is not yet knowable and could be determinative. Turn out. Our side is going to turn out in droves I THINK. I’m not at all sure Obama will get the turnout he got in 2008.
@ unclassifiable:
The Paulbats win all of these straw polls, on line polls, anything where widespread cheating is possible. His supporters are idiot conspiracy theorist, the libertarian party, sociology students, Charlie Sheen, and precious few actual Republicans.
@ Rodan:
I disagree. Again, the president is not all powerful, no matter how much Bammy likes to think he is. Checks and balances will be put back into place. Also, I aint really worried because the bar can be set no lower.
@ eaglesoars:
I will take your word on that. I only know what I personally know, and admit it is probably not the whole story.
unclassifiable wrote:
hunh. Santorum got more votes than Perry?
???
@ Runner:
I’m not troubled. Romney replacing Obama for me is not a huge difference. Its a Euro-Socialist (Romney) vs. A 3rd World Liberation Ideologue (Obama). Yes I will vote for Romney, but if Obama wins I will not be too sad.
The wheels of history are moving and there’s nothing we can do.
@ Rodan:
This aint Chile and we aren’t Chilean. Get over it.
@ Flyovercountry:
In other words…Ronulans are right-wing Hippies.
@ unclassifiable:
It always wins
@ Flyovercountry:
True but independents (the clueless — let’s be honest — not stupid — just don’t really care — too busy or something) this is the ultimate anti-Obama vote.
/$15 a whack — what class is that?
@ Rodan:
“All of this has happened before, and will happen again…again…again…again…again…again…again…again….”
@ Rodan:
OMG you are such a drama queen!!! And I mean that in a nice way because I still do like you, you just make me laugh sometimes. lol
eaglesoars wrote:
I agree. I don’t think he will see the same turnout at all. He’s lost that new car smell to the first-time voters in my opinion. And by first-time voters, I don’t mean the young folks who just turned voting age but rather the large swath of african americans who voted for the first time the last election.
@ eaglesoars:
Perry doesn’t even have a booth there and maybe two folks spoke up for him — both current GOP state senators.
@ NoThreat2U:
Santorum is another Bush, no thanks. I want a President, not a Pope.
@ Runner:
Don’t underestimate your opponents.
Flyovercountry wrote:
“The walrus was Paul”- John Lennon
@ Rodan:
So who would be your choice?
@ Rodan:
Romney isn’t ideal, nor even a conservative but he’s clearly not the same as Obama. I just can’t figure Romney out though. Sometimes he talks like a conservative, sometimes like a moderate, and sometimes like an almost-liberal, if that makes sense.
Macker wrote:
I’m going to play Mitt Romney here and bet 10,000 quatloos that Macker cannot make it through a single day without making a Battlestar Galactica reference.
@ BatGuano:
You know BG the more he is booed the more the clueless love him.
Weird times.
Also I think this coming year Valerie Jarrett and Holder won’t have enough fingers between them to plug all the leaks in the the dam. This year could get really ugly.
Hmmm, State of the Union coming up. What could Obama say?
@ Rodan:
A wise policy!
Gingrich reminds me of the Republican Party I grew up with. It was about wealth creation and opportunity. Romney and Santorum remind me what I hate about today’s GOP. It’s Progressive and wants to get involved in people’s lives.
@ Rodan:
Santorum and Bush are Popes?
BatGuano wrote:
“Do-a-Poo-Poo….” -- Ron Paul
waldensianspirit wrote:
That he’s just signed an executive order to suspend the elections.
NoThreat2U wrote:
Perry or Gingrich.
Rodan wrote:
Of course. He was part of the Reagan team.
@ Bunk X:
They act like it.
@ Rodan:
I’m still holding out hope for Gingrich as well. If he survives to Ohio, I will be voting for him. But, reality has him as a long shot from here. That being the case, Santorum is better than Romney.
@ Rodan:
People viscerally hate the sight and voice of Newt Gingrich.
IMVHO
And I voted for him in the straw poll.
@ The Osprey:
Yup, very good point.
@ unclassifiable:
Yes, the Establishment has conditioned people to hate him. He’s the last hurrah of the Reagan Conservatives.
If the GOP continues on its Collectivist/Progressive path, a new Rightwing Party will emerge.
@ unclassifiable:
I should say SOME people…
Oh goody! More from Juan Williams.
@ Rodan:
Have you heard Glen Beck’s tirades against Gingrich? He claims Newt is a progressive, or something like that. I don’t really know what to think about it. I was curious what you thought about Beck’s position on Newt, if you’re familiar with it.
@ Rodan:
Perry comes across as a dumbass. Forcing gardasil shots? How is that not infringing on someone’s rights?
unclassifiable wrote:
What people? Libtards?
I like Newt. I hope he makes libtards viscerally hate his visage and voice for two terms.
waldensianspirit wrote:
“Change…hope…me…mooochelle…me…me…me…I killed Osama with my bare hands…me
I’m a Life member of the NRA and I don’t think they’ve ever supported trigger locks.
@ Flyovercountry:
Euro-socialist vs. Theocratic-Socialist. That’s today’s GOP. The Tea Party was all for nothing.
I’m not getting worked up anymore. Its the wheels of history and I can’t do anything. Economic Conservatism is dead like Disco.
Runner wrote:
Glenn Beck has gone off his rocker. Calling Geert Wilders a fascist was the last straw with me.
@ NoThreat2U:
Look let’s get one thing straight.
He may be an asshole but he is no dumbass.
eaglesoars wrote:
They are against it.
@ The Osprey:
@ Rodan:
Yeah, 20+years ago. Good strategy there. You can never recreate what once was. New players are in the game now.
@ The Osprey:
@ Rodan:
For the heck of it…I pulled up Baroness Thatcher’s eulogy to Ronald Reagan this afternoon and watched it. Barely. I miss him.
NoThreat2U wrote:
There was no forcing. There was an opt-out.
Runner wrote:
Newt, for all of his warts, remains the only living politician who actually fought for and succeeded at cutting the scope, authority, and size of government. Those were actual cuts, and his House was the only one in modern history to achieve a balanced budget. Those are solid facts, and not the opinion of punditry.
@ NoThreat2U:
He admitted that was a mistake and that was a public health issue. Santorum wants to government imposed morality. Big difference.
@ unclassifiable:
He comes across as a stumbling bumbling idiot. JMO in which I am entitled to.
The Osprey wrote:
Srsly? Missed that one. He lost me when he said anyone that supported Gingrich must be doing it out of racism.
Flyovercountry wrote:
dingdingdingdingding! We have a winnah!
@ The Osprey:
Yeah, Beck has really compromised himself with some recent statements. But his critique of Newt is seemingly based on historical facts. I don’t know if it’s true or not. I was just curious if Rodan has investigated any of the Newt issues that have been brought up by Beck.
[...] (h/t: waldensianspirit) [...]
@ The Osprey:
@ eaglesoars:
Glenn Beck…now speaking like someone supporting Ромни.
eaglesoars wrote:
Jihad Watch covered it in detail.
@ NoThreat2U:
So having the GOP run as Bible thumping Leftists is better? The GOP won in 2010, be3cause it temporarily went back to its Economic/Fiscal Economic roots. Now its back to the Bush era Socialism with a Christian face.
If there’s no room for Conservatives like me in the GOP, we will leave and start a new Party.
Good look beating the Dems without us.
1. learn how to work when your young.
2. Get a education.
3. Get a f’n job.
4. Get off the dole.
@ eaglesoars:
It should have never been brought up. If we are to follow the line of people making their own decisions, and government staying out of our business, no one should be forced to vaccinate their children for anything.
@ Rodan:
At what point did Santorum come right out and state that? Theocracy? Really? Dude, go smoke a fatty and chill. lol lol Now if someone who isn’t on the top of your list walked back something they said, you would call them a flip flopper, wouldn’t you?
@ Flyovercountry:
Absolutely agree.
@ Flyovercountry:
This are outdated ideas! Economics don’t matter. It’s all about government!
You attitude is so 1980′s!
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@ The Osprey:
thanks, will watch after the debate stuff
Rodan wrote:
Pope Rick says you need to keep your zipper zipped up and your wick dry and stop listening to that godawful gangbanger music.
The criminal codes are goverment imposed moral codes.
Bunk X wrote:
I don’t know Bunk. I think they’re following the Dem 2008 template. A bloodbath of a primary race tempers the attack issues for the Presidential run.
Where they’re screwing up is running the ‘next in line white guy in a suit’. Obama gets reelected when his campaign can call everybody who opposes him a racist. Not true, , , not right, , , but enough weak voters will be afraid of that. They gotta fight fire with fire. A minority VP candidate may neutralize some of that tactic but probably not enough.
Also, the Tea Parties have been relatively quiet but I think they’re just hanging back to see what’s gonna shake out. They will be a force in the election and none of the guys left say much about their issue. Money may be more powerful than race in this one.
Perry gets one right. As our economy swirls down the toidy, the illegal immigrants seeking entry have slowed to a trickle. Watch the Zero take a bow for this and spike that football come the fall.
Rodan wrote:
Michael Gerson was a speechwriter for Bush – one of the ‘compassionate Christian conservatives’.
He now writes a column for WaPo. Moral mush. All of it.
@ NoThreat2U:
This is not a Conservative attitude.
He wants the individual to be subservient to the collective. This is a Progressive idea.
@ Rodan:
Now he is a bible thumper? All because he makes his stance on moral issues clear? Is he making them clear so people know what type of person he is, or is he threatening to run the country that way?
@ eaglesoars:
Yup, it worked so well the first time!
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@ NoThreat2U:
…of course as long as you don’t think we are all like that down here.
Rodan wrote:
Then this revolution WILL be televised
@ NoThreat2U:
He wants the government to impose his views on society.
Rodan, your sulking and it is not a thing of beauty.
If the world does not reverse directions on your opinion it is not the end of the earth.
Take a chill pill guy.
@ Poteen:
Some sound a lot like Ron Paul if you just change the acent.
@ taxfreekiller:
Domestic policy — I agree somewhat.
@ unclassifiable:
I don’t, and I never implied otherwise.
@ taxfreekiller:
Its the truth. We are being given a dark choice, Water with piss (Democrats) or water with spit (Republicans).
I am expressing my displeasure with this dark choice.
@ The Osprey:
And don’t forget…they have to pull up their damn pants!
@ Rodan:
It’s not down to that yet. Keep the faith my brother! Go Newt go!
@ Rodan:
Oh buck up.
The Zoloft and Ritalin will kick in and you will vote for Rahmney:)
Rodan wrote:
I’d rather listen to Disco than the aural shit which passes for “Top 40 Musick” these days.
This Pres. is the be all end all of all things is the false choice/dark choice.
The U.S. House, Senate, State Govt.’s, State Govonors, City, County, School, all goverment is ours via the vote.
Vote tell your fingers get the cramps.
The Pres. and the courts will follow U.S. they and he would have no other choice.
@ taxfreekiller:
hey tfk, you’re a texas person,yes? What’s your take on Perry?
@ eaglesoars:
Don’t get him started!
Prepare for incoming!
@ eaglesoars:
OH NOW YOU STEPPED IN IT!!!!!
@ Rodan:
I would switch that around. Pee is far more sanitary than saliva.
uh oh.
@ Runner:
Well I guess when the other choice is excrement it gets to not mattering too much.
@ Rodan:
Rodan, this is a drive-by, but I think this has to do with conservatives affirming values like respect for God, constituted authority, one’s country, and the family, which all entail some sacrifice of individual interests to the collective.
Sod , looks like it got banned for a mild post on lgf’s .001
Sod on is on the diary just now.
@ unclassifiable:
OK Folks question of the night…
Can Congress somehow reign in RPaul’s crazier tendencies if this “Fw” somehow gets elected?
/discuss
@ taxfreekiller:
I’ll go over to dod.
@ Moe Katz:
Nicely put. I have to agree with you. I just couldn’t find the right words. Thank you.
Moe Katz wrote:
I’m not speaking for rodan, but yeah – as long as it’s the choice of the indivdual. When imposed by gov’t – not so much
unclassifiable wrote:
No, only most of us.
@ Moe Katz:
That’s not the school of Conservatism I came from. I think I’m more of a classic Liberal/Libertarian than what’s called Conservatism today.
@ eaglesoars:
What if it is the local mullah?
Slippery slope.
@ eaglesoars:
Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ Calo:
I have experienced nothing but kindness from Texans
@ Calo:
Well someone needs to teach Rick the power of controlling votes even if he is not going to win. Well maybe he will be Rahmney’s VP for the Southern vote.
OOT is up.
unclassifiable wrote:
Sorry, not following. What if WHAT is the local mullah?
Sorry…
More clearly…
What if it is the local mullah that has great influence on the individual sacrifice made for the collective?
I think the slippery slope is solved by declaring one law for the land.
I reread your commenet and — yes — individual choice is extremely important (liberty and free association) but everyone lives by the same national law with its attendant local laws.
unclassifiable wrote:
Oh, I think I see what you mean, but I don’t think you understand what I meant.
All of us as individuals are influenced by external things – family, friends, religion, etc. But that is not BY ITS NATURE coercive. Gov’t is.
You know how I can tell I’m tired?
I try to change the channel with the mouse and scroll down with the remote.