This is the way to stop or slow down Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Forget about the Israeli Air Force flying suicidal missions over Jordan, Iraq and then Iran to attack 30 different sites (without even the element of surprise on their side). Assassinations, sabotage and computer hacking are the way to go – at least until we get a real president.
by Dan Ephron
Doron Avital has all the fluency of an insider when talking about Israeli commando operations deep in enemy terrain.
A former commander of the Army’s storied Sayeret Matkal unit, Avital led a team far into Lebanese territory in 1994 to abduct Mustafa Dirani, a Shiite militant who was thought to have information about a missing Israeli airman. The soldiers grabbed Dirani from his bed, carried him out on a stretcher under fire, and hustled him back to Israel.
Now a member of Israel’s Parliament from the centrist Kadima party, Avital says he has no specific information about the assassination of yet another Iranian nuclear scientist this week, in an operation that might bear the fingerprints of Sayeret Matkal. What he will say with certainty is that Israel has the capability to carry out such a strike despite the distance—more than a thousand miles from Tel Aviv.
“Nothing is too far away. It’s more a question of not being identified,” Avital told The Daily Beast in an interview. “It’s complicated but it’s possible.”
The victim this week, Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, was at least the sixth Iranian scientist to be targeted in the past four years, in what many experts believe is a campaign by Israel to halt Iran’s development of nuclear weapons (though some think the Iranian regime itself might be killing at least some of the scientists for internal political reasons). To witnesses, the killing must have looked like a scene in a violent action movie, with a man on a motorcycle pulling alongside Roshan’s moving car, attaching a magnetic bomb to the door and speeding off.
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But Avital was willing to talk generally about the workings of his former unit and the challenges inherent in operations like the one in Iran. Sayeret Matkal (or General Staff Reconnaissance Unit) is the army’s most elite special operations detachment with alumni that include Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak. Among other things, the unit led the 1976 rescue of passengers aboard an Air France plane hijacked to Entebbe in Uganda.
Avital said operations overseas are often the outcome of a collaboration between civilian intelligence gatherers, usually from Mossad, and military commandos. Soldiers might prepare for months before an assignment, training on life-size models of the target.
“Sometimes you have the forces, you prepare them for a few options, but then the opportunity comes more quickly than you expected.”
He said operations are planned in three spheres—getting to the destination, working at the destination, and returning home. Often, the logistics of transport are as complicated as the operation itself.
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“So many people participate in an operation, not just soldiers but pilots, engineers—because a lot of technology is involved. There are two philosophies about this: one is that only those who absolutely must know should be told the details; the other philosophy is more liberal and can sometimes work better because in the end you want everyone to be synchronized in the whole mission.”In the target country, operators often rely on local help in establishing safe houses and gathering equipment. At least one report suggested Israel collaborated with the Iranian opposition group Mujahideen e-Khalq in the latest operation. Avital did not rule it out.
“In any operation behind enemy lines you can use help from people on the ground or people that live there. This was always the case.”
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Read the rest - Israeli Secret Ops: Former head of Special Unit Explains How It’s Done
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Assassintation is an excellent tool of Statecraft. Something that Obama recognizes, given his penchant for doing the job with predator drones so that we don’t have to risk boots on the ground for the mission. One of the very few things that I approve of the Obama Administration at, though just the act of approving of the Obama Administration makes me wonder where the catch is.
@ Iron Fist:
When people are planning genocide, a quick death to them is the humane thing for all.
Question: He never mentions the death rays from Israeli women’s hair? I thought that was a big weapon against the Muzzies?
Obama’s regime condemning the killing of Iranian nuke scientists was an appalling thing to do.
MikeA wrote:
and the zionist sharks…dont forget the zionist sharks
@ Speranza:
Sure would have lessened the death toll of World War Two if someone had whacked Hitler about 1936. There is a lesson there, for those that are cognizant of history. Unfortunately, most Americans hate history.
MikeA wrote:
Also the Mossad trained sharks which only know how to attack Egyptians and tourists visiting Egypt.
Iron Fist wrote:
Actually I think most Americans like history but have never been exposed to it correctly.
assassination is a perfectly good tool to use when someone means your country great harm. it is far more benevolent to kill one or two than to commit to an eventual land war where thousands will be killed. i mean what country in its right mind would take assassination off the table as a tool of foreign policy off the table? except us of course, then again, we are dumb enough to import the same people who want to kill us, why shouldn’t we be dumb enough to outlaw assassination.
Btw The History Channel on cable has been awful for a while. The best history stuff is on The Military Channel. The History Channel has shit like Modern Marvels, Ice Road Truckers, Pawn Stars,etc. WTF those that have to do with history??
The Entebbe Raid and the capture and execution of Eichmann are the premier examples of Israel’s long reach and their ability to “get it done”. I’m glad they’re not pissed off at me.
@ Iron Fist:
Depends a lot on having good teachers who can communicate some enthusiasm for the subject, IMHO.
@ coldwarrior:
By Obama’s warped standards then the Stauffenberg attempt on Adolf Hitler’s life on July 20, 1944 should have been condemned.
Speranza wrote:
sadly, yes
Iron Fist wrote:
just practice so he can eliminate his enemies
when the time comes?
huckfunn wrote:
Also closer to Israel the killings of Sheik Yassin and Abdel Aziz Rantisi aka the Pediatrician of Death (both in 2004) were the correct things to do.
Speranza wrote:
at a minimum…a minimum…pawn stars and american pickers do get historical even if it by anecdotes and quick descriptions
Speranza wrote:
Not much doubt about that. The BO regime condemned the most recent killings of 2 Iranian nuke scientists.
coldwarrior wrote:
He is the worst and most dangerous president ever but that is stating the obvious.
Anyone interested in World War II history and in visiting Berlin should visit the Bendlerblock where the coup in 1944 was planned and where Stauffenberg and 3 others were shot in the courtyard as well as the Plotzsensee Prison (in the Berlin suburbs -- you have to take an U-bahn and then a bus) where so many of the July 20 conspirators were hanged other anti Nazis were also hanged (and some were guillotined) during the Nazi terror.
huckfunn wrote:
But what was he thinking in doing that?
Does he actually think he can win hearts and minds in that regime?
Moe Katz wrote:
His default position is to kiss Iranian ass.
Moe Katz wrote:
Yes he does and no matter how many times he gets slapped down he keeps coming back for more.
@ Speranza:
See my 21
Incredible naivete
Moe Katz wrote:
I guess just like everything else he does. Anything that goes against the American people or American interests will be the path he chooses. Hard to believe that there are so many folks who support him.
coldwarrior wrote:
I guess but when I think History Channel I think documentaries on Rome, the Civil War, World War II, the American Constitution, The Great Depression, etc.
Moe Katz wrote:
combined with being a rigid ideologue which then leads to disaster.
@ Speranza:
i walked through their courtroom just about every day.
interesting place
Speranza wrote:
One word explains that:
RATINGS
20 hurt in casino building collapse in Cincinnati.
the same company had a collapse in Cleveland a few
months ago. this contractor had to hire alot non-
qualified contractors to meet set asides
@ mawskrat:
looks like the accident is a repeat of the
cleveland parking garage collapse. hmmmmmmm
Speranza wrote:
me too. the other shows (IRT, swamp inbreds, etc) i dont watch, pickers and pawn stars are pretty good and at least have a smattering of historical content
@ mawskrat:
Does the Cosa Nostra play a major role in Ohio construction?
@ mawskrat:
@ mawskrat:
ruh roh….
@ Moe Katz:
I say that bc we get shoddy highway overpasses and bridges in Quebec thanks to Mafia involvement.
Moe Katz wrote:
maybe up in Cleveland but not around here
Moe Katz wrote:
are you implying that ‘italian made’ cement is somehow inferior in some way?
“Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice”
http://news.yahoo.com/low-iq-conservative-beliefs-linked-prejudice-180403506.html
Un-freakin’-real … Its gonna be one hell of a year
Cincinnati also has Putz’s!
@ coldwarrior:
I have worked on parking garages It’s not
really rocket science. you just have to have
proper support under the deck you are pouring
coldwarrior wrote:
It’s good for making cement shoes, I understand.
Moe Katz wrote:
yeah…two thumbs louie want to know what size you wear?
4_Sticks wrote:
get used to it, like you said, its gonna get far worse.
i tried reading some of that article and i just couldnt seem to focus, all i could see was a staggering waste of grant money.
@ Speranza:
And you honestly have to speculate as to the why of that. He is friendly (or well disposed) to those who are our enemies, and hostile to our friends (especially Britain and Israel). You might get the impression that he doesn’t like us very much.
@ coldwarrior:
I think it was done in the UK.
@ coldwarrior:
We’re going into hock to the tune of a trillion dollars a year to finance such drivel. People ought to be going to jail for fraud.
Obama sure would like to know the cement shoe size for Jan Brewer
Anybody helping the Iranians get a nuclear bomb is fair game, How many lives will be saved?
Prebanned wrote:
canada i thought…anyway, it is still wasted grant money that could have been used somewhere more beneficial, that was someone’s axe grinding right there
Iron Fist wrote:
I think he has inherited the anti Western mindset of his father.
coldwarrior wrote:
Even though it is repetitive, Military Channel is great.
Iron Fist wrote:
Au contraire -- he hates us.
waldensianspirit wrote:
she should have moe howard’d him in the eyes instead of just finger wagging.
well, this is gonna be fun
chi-town gonna be hot hot hot
We now have the evidence to prove that the early phase of the Occupy Wall Street movement was nothing more than a staging period to build an infrastructure that will culminate in a massive occupation of Chicago this May.
“On May 1, 50,000 people from all over the world will flock to Chicago, set up tents, kitchens, peaceful barricades and #OCCUPYCHICAGO for a month. With a bit of luck, we’ll pull off the biggest multinational occupation of a summit meeting the world has ever seen.
“And this time around we’re not going to put up with the kind of police repression that happened during the Democratic National Convention protests in Chicago, 1968 … nor will we abide by any phony restrictions the City of Chicago may want to impose on our first amendment rights. We’ll go there with our heads held high and assemble for a month-long people’s summit … we’ll march and chant and sing and shout and exercise our right to tell our elected representatives what we want … the constitution will be our guide.
Speranza wrote:
they are pretty much on topic.
Speranza wrote:
Which implies that the west should be on a permanent guilt trip vis-a-vis the less developed countries.
@ rain of lead:
50,000 people ?
oh snap!
@ Speranza:
I agree. As you say, he inherited it from his absentee father. The dude has issues and grudges the size of Mount Rushmore. He i slikely the most unstable president we have ever had. And odds are he’ll get another four years to bedevil the country.
@ rain of lead:
too bad old man daley isnt mayor anymore.
LOL>..a spokesman for the general contractor
just made a statement from the
accidentcrime scenewith a attorney at his side
coldwarrior wrote:
Think he wouldn’t be quick enough to do the Curly counter eh
@ coldwarrior:
And if they don’t listen … if they ignore us and put our demands on the back burner like they’ve done so many times before … then, with Gandhian ferocity, we’ll flashmob the streets, shut down stock exchanges, campuses, corporate headquarters and cities across the globe … we’ll make the price of doing business as usual too much to bear.”
what the hell is gandhian ferocity?
out
later ya’ll
waldensianspirit wrote:
nope, he would never see that move coming…3 stooges fu!
rain of lead wrote:
i guess they are ready to be beaten by the police and take it passively.
good luck with that!
rain of lead wrote:
You’d have to ask Gandhi’s girls
Moe Katz wrote:
The Obama Magical Apology Tour.
@ rain of lead:
50,000 will cause massive disease.
Might incubate something and spark TEOTWAWKI.
@ Speranza:
LOL
@ coldwarrior:
You could map the personality characteristics and neuropsychological function of those lemmings too. The bias of mainstream psychology is revealed in the fact that conservative rigidity and authoritarianism (which are far from universal on the right) are seen as requiring explanation, but leftist vapidity and mental indiscipline don’t come under scrutiny as psychological phenomena.
@ rain of lead:
I bet they don’t get 500. All the occupest encampments were really pretty small. They only got the air-play because the MFM supported their message.
waldensianspirit wrote:
Gov Brewer just released a copy of the letter that she handed to BO-hole just before he walked away from her.
@ rain of lead:
I have to say, it’ll be interesting to see if Emmanuel will order the cops to just stand by and let it happen, if they do get substantial numbers. Couldn’t happen to a nicer city.
Iron Fist wrote:
50,000, pooping all over and tracking it everywhere else, not washing their hands.
Moe Katz wrote:
he who writes the grants gets the research
@ Prebanned:
If they really get 50K and camp pout for a month, there will be die-off from disease. It’ll be awful. And the Obama Administration will blame Republicans
@ coldwarrior:
Their best show is Ancient Aliens.
2.8% 4th Quarter and 1.7% for the entire year! The economy is roaring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
coldwarrior wrote:
And the “Zionist spy” vulture, remember that one?
well back to my basement construction
job. my general contractor brought me
some beer and smokes this morning. she
sure is a great boss!!
Iron Fist wrote:
yes they do that
@ Prebanned:
Multiply that by 40 and you have a typical day in Kuwait…
My snowblower beckons. Quebec City is picturesque, but there are drawbacks….
@ lobo91:
The great Obama economy for 2011 was 1.7%. We are booming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rodan wrote:
We are in the midst of some really hideous times. He is sucking the optimism out of us.
Moe Katz wrote:
I love Quebec City!
@ Speranza:
I’m going to do a controversial post on why low growth is considered good under Obama.
Quebec City is the most European city in North America.
lobo91 wrote:
Oooooooooooo!
Rodan wrote:
It is positively Orwellian this Obama-speak.
@ Prebanned:
Kuwait is probably one of the more advanced Arab Middle Eastern countries too.
Rodan wrote:
ROTFLMAO… You have no idea how funny it is when you say that “YOU” are going to do a “controversial post” do you?
Speranza wrote:
Depends on what you mean by “advanced”…
lobo91 wrote:
“relatively” advanced?
@ doriangrey:
I will push some boundaries on this. You will see.
Prebanned wrote:
There you go with that Jewish Physics again
Rodan wrote:
ROTFLMAO… Dude… Pushing boundaries is your middle name…
Rodan wrote:
It will save the planet??
@ Rodan:
This should be interesting…
@ Prebanned:
Kuwait is the welfare state taken to its conclusion. There are no citizens here. They’re pets.
This is a monarchy, in the old-school sense. The Emir owns the country and its resources (meaning the oil). They do have a parliament here, but it’s insignificant.
Around 15% of Kuwaitis work in some fashion. The rest live off of government subsidies. The country is actually operated by foreigners, without whom the Kuwaitis would starve to death in 2 weeks.
lobo91 wrote:
I am admittedly not setting the bar high for the Arab Middle East.
lobo91 wrote:
In 1991 the kicked out around 300,000 Palestinians for supporting Saddam and nobody said anything.
@ lobo91:
All the Gulf Arab states are like that.
The UAE is probably the most “advanced.” And Qatar is probably now ahead of Kuwait.
@ Speranza:
Kicking out 300,000 Palestinians = a good start.
@ lobo91:
Sounds horrible, I love the USA, warts and all. I have never been anyplace else that I liked more.
I have met good people in other countries, I just figure the system of government makes the difference.
That and probably culture.
@ Prebanned:
I really wonder what’s going to happen when the money (meaning the oil) runs out.
I don’t stay up at night worrying about it or anything, mind you…I’m just curious.
@ Prebanned:
Culture makes all the difference in the world. It was just a small step of culture that made Nazi Germany different from the Kaiser’s Germany, but look at how critical that small step was. Don’t think it can’t happen here. Almost half the people are dependant on the government for thei rliving in some fashion or another.
@ Iron Fist:
You can see it in the pets and domestic animals. Varies greatly from place to place
@ lobo91:
Pretty much.
Will be a wasteland.
Will blame it on the West, or da Juice.
lobo91 wrote:
You get no argument from me on that.
@ waldensianspirit:
Anyone who will be cruel to an animal will be cruel to a human.
Iron Fist wrote:
oh I believe it, people do better under freedom.
Iron Fist wrote:
I agree.
lobo91 wrote:
They will go back to Camel racing and selling carpets. When they are not killing each other. Humanity will be better off for it.
@ Speranza:
Yes, it’s captivatingly pretty. But there’s a modern metropolitan area of about 3/4 million around that old walled city….
Moe Katz wrote:
I know. I never really explored the city outside of the Historic Old Town. I have been to Quebec several times but always was there for a day trip except once stayed there two nights.
@ Speranza:
If you get up here again let me know!
@ lobo91:
Multiply that by 40 and you have a typical day in Kuwait…
The old kitty litter smell. Don’t miss it. How you doin over there?
Moe Katz wrote:
I sure will. I was last there in 2005.
Wow! Check this chart out. I knew Obama had hurt the economy, but I had no idea it was this bad. Of course, it has been pretty fucking terrible for me personally, but I guess it has been that way for most everybody. If our nominee (I am not convinced Romney will be that nominee) can get this in front of the voters 24-7 for a couple of months before the election, we should win. It is the economy, stupid!
@ Iron Fist:
Anyone who will be cruel to an animal will be cruel to a human.
I read once where a young Joseph Stalin was with a group of people walking along a river bank when they came across a calf trapped on an island… been raining the last few days. Joe swam to the island and when he knew everyone was looking, broke all 4 legs of the calf.
@ Iron Fist:
Romney said the Economy is booming.
@ Buckeye Abroad:
Pity he didn’t drown on the way to the island.
@ Rodan:
Romney is an idiot. That kind of shit is why he is unlikely to win if he gets the nomination. If you look at the chart, the hit we took on 9-11 is a blip. The whole top of the fucking thing comes off when Obama is elected and does TARP and the “stimulus”. And now he wants another extension of the Debt “Ceiling”. What did he buy with the last trillion they gave him? Maybe it is time for the US Government to start selling things. I’ll buy an M-249 SAW if they will let me…
Rodan wrote:
After the fallout dies down, that is….
Iron Fist wrote:
It is essential to hammer the “F” word (Failure) when talking abut Obama.
@ Iron Fist:
Obama’s stimulus added to an already irresponsible debt spending we had for a decade. In 3 years he added 5 Trillion!
If Romney beats Obama, nothing will improve. When he was Gov of Mass. he doubled the debt. Want to bet all those Republicans that bitch about the debt ceiling under Obama will be quiet when Romney increases it? We will be told to be quiet that Romney is doing it for the good of the country.
That’s why I really don’t care that much about this election. We are dooomed ™. America is toast, stick a fork in us. The wheels of history is moving and there’s nothing we can do. I’m a history buff and can read the tell tale signs of decline.
@ Speranza:
Yeah, if we have another candidate who tells the voters they have nothing to fear from another four years of Obama, we will lose.
@ Rodan:
I don’t disagree. We are like Athens at the end of the Peloponesian War, at the top of our game, perhaps, but fixing to be ruined. We are fiscally busted, broke, and ready to throw in the towel. I don’t think we are beyond saving, but I don’t think any of this crop of candidates has what it takes to save us. Gingrich isn’t the Second Coming of Reagan. He is marginally better than Romney, but he has political baggage as well as personal baggage. Romney is worse, though. Romney is
@ Iron Fist:
We are Rome on the eve the Persian Wars, Spain on the eve of the 30 years war and France on the eve of the Revolution/Napoleonic wars and Britain on the eve of WWI.
That’s the US today.
Speranza wrote:
F-
New Thread.
OH MY GOD… Proof that Darwinism is 100 percent wrong.
Rodan wrote:
Ted Kennedy on the eve of Chappaquiddick?
Iron Fist wrote:
The most gag worthy quote for a Republican since GHWB’s “kinder, gentler nation”.
@ doriangrey:
that is tonight’s OOT.