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The Obama Boom: The False Messiah stunned at Engineer who can’t find work

by Rodan ( 89 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Business, Economy, immigration, Progressives, Tranzis, unemployment at January 31st, 2012 - 12:00 pm

Polls show that most Americans think the False Messiah understands their problems more than either Newt Gingrich or Mitt Romney. I, for the life of me, don’t get the benefit of the doubt this man is given. Clearly it has to do with him being Black and too many Americans don’t want to admit he’s a failure. This perception is not the reality.

At his Google town hall, the False Messiah is confronted by a woman whose husband is unemployed. Believing his own Obama Boom hype, he is stunned and taken aback. Obama said the economy was fine and that her husband should find a job. The women doesn’t back down and takes Obama to task for wanting to increase H1-B Visas.  Obama then asks for her husband’s resume!

During his Google+ hangout Pres. Obama tells a woman that her husband shouldn’t be unemployed from the growth he has seen in the economy. Obama said he finds it “interesting” because he is getting “the word” that someone in her husband’s job field “should be able to find something right away.”

Obama offered to do something if she would just send him her husband’s resume.

The woman wants to know why Obama is extending visas for foreigners when there is tons of demand for American jobs by Americans.

“I don’t know what your husband’s speciality [is], but I can tell you that there is a huge demand around the country for engineers,” Obama told the woman.

“I understand that,” she responded. “But how am — given the list that you’re getting, I mean we’re not getting that. You said in the State of the Union address for business leaders to ask what can they do to bring jobs back to America.

There is demand for engineers in America. Its just businesses don’t want American engineers, they want cheap foreign labor. Does this sound familiar (Illegal immigration)? This has been very detrimental to the US economy. With declining wages and foreigners getting preferences, Americans are not interested in the Engineering field. There’s no longer an economic reward to justify the high costs assorted with attaining that degree. The H1-B visa program needs to stop. If someone wants to immigrate here, cool. I do think educated foreigners (Non Islamic) should be given a speeded up process, but to bring in people specifically for certain jobs has been a disaster in the IT field. Unlike farm work, these are jobs Americans would love to do.

This incident shows the delusion Obama lives in. Clearly, his own administration thinks the economy is doing fine. That woman is a patriot for hitting The False Messiah with a dose of reality. The job market sucks, no matter how much the Regime lies.

Update: Carlina Girl expressed my feelings on this matter.

Well said!

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89 Responses to “The Obama Boom: The False Messiah stunned at Engineer who can’t find work”
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  1. 1 | January 31, 2012 12:10 pm

    BOOM!


  2. 2 | January 31, 2012 12:12 pm

    The economy is doing what he wants it to do. That should be enough fo rthis ungrateful peasant…


  3. eaglesoars
    3 | January 31, 2012 12:12 pm

    A semi-conductor engineer and he can’t find a job.

    I wonder how old he is. She doesn’t look like she’d be married to someone 50+ but I know there’s ageism out there.


  4. 4 | January 31, 2012 12:13 pm

    That woman is a patriot for hitting The False Messiah with a dose of reality.

    Well she is a patriot for trying anyways, I’m pretty sure Obama is immune to reality, narcissists are like that.


  5. eaglesoars
    5 | January 31, 2012 12:14 pm

    H1B1 visa people accept lower salaries, for one thing.


  6. citizen_q
    6 | January 31, 2012 12:25 pm

    At his Google town hall, the False Messiah is confronted by a woman who’s husband is unemployed. Believing his own Obama Boom hype, he is stunned and taken aback. Obama says he he herald the economy was fine and that her husband should find a job. The women doesn’t back down and takes Obama to task for wanting to increase H1-B Visas. Obama then asks for her husband’s resume!

    Someone’s getting audited.

    eaglesoars wrote:

    H1B1 visa people accept lower salaries, for one thing.

    And can often be treated like dirt by the employer. Both know the H1B employee’s presence in this country in contingent upon his sponsored employment.


  7. Prebanned
    7 | January 31, 2012 12:28 pm

    Kind of harsh to spend all that time and money on a degree to have to take a job where it is not required and make payments.
    Should the government quit messing with things?
    Should politicians be required to get a license to practice social engineering?


  8. eaglesoars
    8 | January 31, 2012 12:37 pm

    Gee, wonder what the problem is?

    House Republicans are expanding their probe into the Obama administration’s energy programs, investigating $500 million in green job training grants that placed just 10% of trainees in jobs, according to a government report.

    The program’s goal was to train 124,893 people and put 79,854 in jobs. But 17 months later, 52,762 were trained and 8,035, or roughly 1 in 10, had jobs. Those numbers come from an audit by the Department of Labor’s inspector general, which recommended that the administration end the program and return unspent money.

    h/t instapundit


  9. 9 | January 31, 2012 12:38 pm

    Mind if I steal this for 1389 Blog? I’ll provide a link back.


  10. eaglesoars
    10 | January 31, 2012 12:44 pm

    Derb: It’s worse than you think.

    When the president said:

    The H-1B should be reserved only for those companies who say they cannot find somebody in that particular field.

    He, like most immigration enthusiasts, doesn’t know what he’s talking about. There is no such requirement. The video you linked to was to show employers how to game the green-card system for “skilled” workers, which does have such a requirement, but companies can, and do, hire H-1Bs all the time specifically to replace existing American workers — who are sometimes required, as a condition of their severance pay, to train their replacements.

    Here’s the video


  11. eaglesoars
    11 | January 31, 2012 12:44 pm

    gotta hop


  12. 12 | January 31, 2012 1:01 pm

    Perhaps Obama can ask his “unselfish” buddy Bill Gates why he needs so many H1-B Visas for his company. Why does he need ANY?


  13. 13 | January 31, 2012 1:04 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Software engineer positions are jobs Americans won’t do. As cheaply, at any rate. They decry that the labor pool isn’t bigger, but all that is is full employment for the sector. Can’t have that


  14. 14 | January 31, 2012 1:04 pm

    BTW, I don’t know if anyone caught “Undercover Boss” on Sunday. The President of Kendall-Jackson Wine Estates went out and lo and behold, when he works in the fields it turns out NO ONE speaks English. Spanish only. Of course the immediate fix is to make everyone ELSE in the company learn Spanish.

    Personally, I’d like to see their green cards.


  15. 15 | January 31, 2012 1:06 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    So, Mr. Gates has plenty of money to “give away” and thinks his taxes are too high, but doesn’t want to pay prevailing U.S. wage to give U.S. citizens a job.

    What a “selfless” piece of shit he is.


  16. RIX
    16 | January 31, 2012 1:09 pm

    You willbe pleased to know that Democrats on the House
    Oversight Committee is set to release a report on Fast &
    Furious.
    You will be further pleased to know that they exonerate
    the Obama Administration, including Holder & blame
    Arizona ATF agents.
    Well, that should end the controversy./


  17. 17 | January 31, 2012 1:12 pm

    @ RIX:

    The Democrats are fundamnetally a corrupt organization. Unfortunately, the Republicans aren’t much better. I don’t expect anything serious to come out of Issa’s investigation, but I’d like to be proven wrong of that.


  18. 18 | January 31, 2012 1:14 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Gee, wonder what the problem is?
    House Republicans are expanding their probe into the Obama administration’s energy programs, investigating $500 million in green job training grants that placed just 10% of trainees in jobs, according to a government report.
    The program’s goal was to train 124,893 people and put 79,854 in jobs. But 17 months later, 52,762 were trained and 8,035, or roughly 1 in 10, had jobs. Those numbers come from an audit by the Department of Labor’s inspector general, which recommended that the administration end the program and return unspent money.
    h/t instapundit

    Pardon me for being picky, but since when is 8000 out of 52000 1 out of 10? Poorly worded…


  19. 19 | January 31, 2012 1:17 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    A semi-conductor engineer and he can’t find a job.

    I wonder how old he is. She doesn’t look like she’d be married to someone 50+ but I know there’s ageism out there.

    You got that right. Which brings up an interesting question: Should ageism be banned?


  20. 20 | January 31, 2012 1:19 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Mind if I steal this for 1389 Blog? I’ll provide a link back.

    be my guest!


  21. 21 | January 31, 2012 1:20 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Personally, I’d like to see their green cards.

    So would I.


  22. 22 | January 31, 2012 1:22 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    My company uses H1-B visas as a form of indenture servitude. They bring in these people from India, great people by the way. They keep them here 2 years, them ship them back. Its sad because many start getting attached and cry when they leave. Then the next batch is brought in.

    I would be cool if these people were coming here to live. But companies are using them.


  23. 23 | January 31, 2012 1:22 pm

    @ Macker:

    Shouldn’t they have to have quotas of older workers? After all, the aged is the fastest growing segment of the population. :P


  24. 24 | January 31, 2012 1:23 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    And can often be treated like dirt by the employer. Both know the H1B employee’s presence in this country in contingent upon his sponsored employment.

    I see it first hand its just so wrong.


  25. 25 | January 31, 2012 1:24 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    The economy is doing what he wants it to do. That should be enough fo rthis ungrateful peasant…

    I am still stunned he thinks the economy is good.


  26. pat
    26 | January 31, 2012 1:25 pm

    He could probably find a job at the Department of Energy figuring out ways to stifle energy production and destroy industrial capacity. This administration has an unlimited number of opportunities there.


  27. 27 | January 31, 2012 1:26 pm

    RIX wrote:

    You willbe pleased to know that Democrats on the House
    Oversight Committee is set to release a report on Fast &
    Furious.
    You will be further pleased to know that they exonerate
    the Obama Administration, including Holder & blame
    Arizona ATF agents.
    Well, that should end the controversy./

    Well isn’t that a nice little tap dance. We don’t think Obama and Holder did anything wrong. Boy they want the public’s attention elsewhere quick, don’t they??


  28. Da_Beerfreak
    28 | January 31, 2012 1:30 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    You willbe pleased to know that Democrats on the House
    Oversight Committee is set to release a report on Fast &
    Furious.
    You will be further pleased to know that they exonerate
    the Obama Administration, including Holder & blame
    Arizona ATF agents.
    Well, that should end the controversy./

    Well isn’t that a nice little tap dance. We don’t think Obama and Holder did anything wrong. Boy they want the public’s attention elsewhere quick, don’t they??

    “My Brother did not kill that Chicken Your Honor.” Said the fox to the judge… :twisted:


  29. 29 | January 31, 2012 1:32 pm

    No one should be issued an H1-B visa if there is a single American who can perform the job. I’m sick of this whole “jobs Americans won’t do” bullshit.

    No, Americans won’t do them for below market wages. Indian software engineers work for the wages of an entry level clerk; illegals clean toilets for pittance. Contractors pick up a crew outside Homey Depot and pay them jack to put on your new roof. Meanwhile Americans are unemployed.

    But we conservatives are evil for pointing this out. And uncaring. Oh, and RAAAAACIST!!!!!!


  30. 30 | January 31, 2012 1:33 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I’m adding this comment to my post.


  31. RIX
    31 | January 31, 2012 1:51 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    The Democrats are fundamnetally a corrupt organization. Unfortunately, the Republicans aren’t much better. I don’t expect anything serious to come out of Issa’s investigation, but I’d like to be proven wrong of that.

    Yeah, heads should roll, but we’ll see.


  32. 32 | January 31, 2012 1:53 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    The Democrats are fundamnetally a corrupt organization. Unfortunately, the Republicans aren’t much better. I don’t expect anything serious to come out of Issa’s investigation, but I’d like to be proven wrong of that.

    I’m starting to think the Republicans are a false flag operation.


  33. 33 | January 31, 2012 1:55 pm

    Macker wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    A semi-conductor engineer and he can’t find a job.
    I wonder how old he is. She doesn’t look like she’d be married to someone 50+ but I know there’s ageism out there.

    You got that right. Which brings up an interesting question: Should ageism be banned?

    It already is, at least officially. But there is absolutely no way to enforce that.

    If we deregulated and lowered taxes and freed up the economy, AND stopped h1b, we older folks would have no trouble getting jobs!


  34. RIX
    34 | January 31, 2012 1:55 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Well isn’t that a nice little tap dance. We don’t think Obama and Holder did anything wrong. Boy they want the public’s attention elsewhere quick, don’t they??

    Elijah Cummings on the Committee asid that their
    report will debunk all of the myths about Fast &
    Furious.
    What he didn’t say is, “In the alternative we will
    scream racism


  35. Bumr50
    35 | January 31, 2012 1:57 pm

    RIX wrote:

    their
    report

    BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!


  36. 36 | January 31, 2012 1:58 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    If they even try to pin this on the Arizona ATF agents, there’s going to be effing HELL to pay. There’s no way they are taking the rap for this. And I’m sorry, there’s no way either Holder OR Obama didn’t know about this ahead of time. This whole episode fits in the timeline where Obama claimed all the guns going into Mexico came from the U.S. (translation: we need more gun control laws), to his being proven wrong by those pesky things called facts.

    This isn’t a Presidential Administration. This is a taxpayer-funded criminal enterprise.


  37. Purre
    37 | January 31, 2012 1:59 pm

    Friend of mine is on H1B visa and he certainly gets same salary than his US coworkers. Then again, it is governmental research center. I think rather than just get rid of them, make the employer prove that the worker does get same salary than others at same job. That should stop overuse (bureaucracy/increased costs) and reduce it to what it should be – giving door for skilled workers who are better than what is already available in the USA.


  38. 38 | January 31, 2012 1:59 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Aww…shucks. I’m blushing.


  39. 39 | January 31, 2012 2:01 pm

    @ RIX:

    I guess Cummings thinks 600 dead Mexicans and a dead federal agent are just “myths” as well.

    I’m starting to think Democrap Congress critters are the most delusional asshats on the face of the earth, right up there with the Occupy Anything But a Shower idiots. I’m willing to bet that that “report” is the silliest collection of bullshit outside of Obama’s last State of the Union Show.


  40. 40 | January 31, 2012 2:07 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    It already is, at least officially. But there is absolutely no way to enforce that.

    If we deregulated and lowered taxes and freed up the economy, AND stopped h1b, we older folks would have no trouble getting jobs!

    In my efforts to seek gainful employment, I have seen numerous sites where they ask you whether you are 40 years of age or over.


  41. Bumr50
    41 | January 31, 2012 2:07 pm

    OT- Excellent piece, IMHO.


  42. unclassifiable
    42 | January 31, 2012 2:15 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I’m willing to bet that that “report” is the silliest collection of bullshit outside of Obama’s last State of the Union Show.

    Unclassifiable’s Suggested List of the Silliest Bullshit in History

    1) Chamberlain’s Peace in Our Time Letter
    2) The Communist Manifesto
    3) The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
    4) The entire work of the IPCC
    5) Anything written by Glen Renyolds, Andrew Sullivan, or Charles Johnson


  43. Bumr50
    43 | January 31, 2012 2:20 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    Have you read Moochelle’s thesis?


  44. Da_Beerfreak
    44 | January 31, 2012 2:22 pm

    Purre wrote:

    Friend of mine is on H1B visa and he certainly gets same salary than his US coworkers. Then again, it is governmental research center. I think rather than just get rid of them, make the employer prove that the worker does get same salary than others at same job. That should stop overuse (bureaucracy/increased costs) and reduce it to what it should be – giving door for skilled workers who are better than what is already available in the USA.

    Sorry, but NO!!

    That is just going to compound the problem. We have to get rid of shit like this, not keep adding more on to it in a false attempt to “fix” what should not have been allowed in the first place. :evil:


  45. 45 | January 31, 2012 2:23 pm

    @ Macker:

    Report them to the EEOC. That question is patently ILLEGAL. No kidding. I mean lawsuit illegal.


  46. 46 | January 31, 2012 2:24 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    And any part of the Report of the 9/11 Commission authored by Jamie Gorelick.


  47. citizen_q
    47 | January 31, 2012 2:26 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I am in I.T. as well, and have seen it my last 3 employs. All very large companies that anyone would recognize.

    I am a UNIX systems administrator, not sure why, but not as many H1Bs in that specialty as others.


  48. 48 | January 31, 2012 2:29 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ unclassifiable:

    And any part of the Report of the 9/11 Commission authored by Jamie Gorelick.

    I always pronounce her last name Gore-LICK for some reason…. 8)


  49. 49 | January 31, 2012 2:32 pm

    @ Macker:

    A little known fact about our Jamie. She was on the Board of Fannie Mae and pocketed MILLIONS in bonuses. No one ever mentions all the Democrat operatives that got fat on the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac boards. It would put Jack Abramoff’s lobbying money to shame.


  50. 50 | January 31, 2012 2:32 pm

    H1B visas are used quite a bit in the oil biz. But the problem in the oil biz is that often (not always) they really can’t get an American to fill the job. The busts of 85/86 and 98/99 cleaned out students and even programs from universities, and the effects lasted for years. The age v membership graphs of the AAPG and SEG look like a steep pyramid, with old farts my age at the peak and a rapid drop-off behind us (the ones in front of us are retiring or dying.) This was a completely predictable (and predicted) problem that has been a constant topic of discussion for over twenty years, but nothing anybody could solve. So far as I know, H1B visa folks are hired by companies at the going rate in the country they hire on in, at least in the oil biz. And there’s no rotating them back every two years – if you get good ones, you’d be insane to dump them. And some of them are damned good. That’s why even in an office in the US, I find myself in the middle of a virtual UN of nationalities or at least national origins.


  51. 51 | January 31, 2012 2:32 pm

    It just doesn’t get any better than this. A true Marie Antoinette moment.

    “your hubby is having trouble finding a job, well that shouldn’t be. Our narrative for this fall’s election is that all in honky dory now. Have him send me a resume, as he has to be the only one left in engineering without a job, nothing to see here, move along.”

    I hope the GOP nominee, still holding out for Newt by the way, will use this Google Town Hall as a campaign commercial.


  52. 52 | January 31, 2012 2:33 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    I am a UNIX systems administrator, not sure why, but not as many H1Bs in that specialty as others.

    I have notice that as well. They are not involved in UNIX.


  53. 53 | January 31, 2012 2:34 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    This was classic. Obama is clueless about the economy. he really thinks its good. Check out headlines!


  54. citizen_q
    54 | January 31, 2012 2:35 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    I expect them to try and pin as much blame on the shops that were told/coerced by the grabbermint to participate in obviously illegal straw purchases. Followed closely by the need for sticker gun control laws.

    Look how banks who in many cases were forced by acorn, the grabbermint, and other assorted race hustlers, to make sub-prime loans have now been cast a predatory villains?


  55. 55 | January 31, 2012 2:37 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Speaking of those two GSE’s…I wonder if the soon-to-be-retired Барни Франк will go to work for either or both of them?


  56. RIX
    56 | January 31, 2012 2:37 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I guess Cummings thinks 600 dead Mexicans and a dead federal agent are just “myths” as well.

    The Dems are in the minority in the House.’So if I understand it correctly & maybe I don’t, Isn’t the minority report
    supposed to come “after” the full Committee Report?


  57. citizen_q
    57 | January 31, 2012 2:40 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I had a tech support person from a vender last week assisting me with a problem on one of my servers, who was too lazy to read the case details and was suggesting that things occurred which had not and based his recommendation on his ill-advised assumptions.

    His name was uday. I really had a tough time maintaining decorum with the situation and this guy’s name.


  58. Purre
    58 | January 31, 2012 2:40 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Purre wrote:
    Friend of mine is on H1B visa and he certainly gets same salary than his US coworkers. Then again, it is governmental research center. I think rather than just get rid of them, make the employer prove that the worker does get same salary than others at same job. That should stop overuse (bureaucracy/increased costs) and reduce it to what it should be – giving door for skilled workers who are better than what is already available in the USA.

    Sorry, but NO!!
    That is just going to compound the problem. We have to get rid of shit like this, not keep adding more on to it in a false attempt to “fix” what should not have been allowed in the first place.

    So you’d prefer to have your research institutions to no longer get new blood into it from outside? Sure, if you want to go toward more Soviet direction.


  59. 59 | January 31, 2012 2:48 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    I hope the GOP nominee, still holding out for Newt by the way, will use this Google Town Hall as a campaign commercial.

    At this point I’ll settle for anyone with a fucking BACKBONE.


  60. 60 | January 31, 2012 2:49 pm

    @ Purre:

    How you been? I haven’t seen you in a while!


  61. 61 | January 31, 2012 2:49 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    His name was uday

    Muzz.


  62. Bumr50
    62 | January 31, 2012 2:50 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    still holding out for Newt by the way

    So am I.

    We will have to ignore the media for the rest of the week, lest we go insane.


  63. 63 | January 31, 2012 2:50 pm

    @ Macker:

    I think King Dumbass I still thinks he’s going to waltz out of the White House and become Secretary General of the U.N. Of course, I doubt he remembers that the members of the Security Council cannot occupy the Secretariat.

    That’s when Obama will tell us he’s really Indonesian. Or Kenyan.


  64. 64 | January 31, 2012 2:51 pm

    @ RIX:

    If there’s anything the last three years have taught us, it’s that Obama and the Democraps think that the “rules” apply only to Republicans and the middle class taxpayer.


  65. 65 | January 31, 2012 2:54 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    His name was uday. I really had a tough time maintaining decorum with the situation and this guy’s name.

    Reach Out, Touch Goat! 8)


  66. 66 | January 31, 2012 2:56 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Hmmm…if he does that, then we can make Null and Void any and all laws, executive orders, and appointments he made during his tenure. That includes the Wise Latina and the Обамаcare Cheerleader!


  67. eaglesoars
    67 | January 31, 2012 2:56 pm

    I was a software developer for 30 yrs. I left the industry almost 9 yrs ago. My last 10 yrs were in telecom. For most of those 10 yrs, the ‘green card’ people that were hired were generally brighter and better than the U.S. counterparts. Really brilliant, ambitious people and an absolute joy to work with. And they got paid top dollar. When telecom started to contract, the picture changed. First, the consultants went. Then, the older, mid-level developers. This cohort wasn’t just let go. Their positions were deleted. They were, however replaced. The deleted positions were re-written as lower level positions. Within each position classification there are always tiers. They were filled at the lowest tier with the green card people. They were not treated badly and there was no 2-yr drop dead and go back home issue. We worked to keep our investment.

    Same work. On average, about $30k less per year. Unfortunately, institutional knowledge that was lost was not reflected on the P/L statements. Even tho’ I was older and pulling down 6 figures, I was kept becauuse I had WAY TOO MUCH institutional/tech knowledge, and I was the only one who could train the new hires.


  68. Da_Beerfreak
    68 | January 31, 2012 2:59 pm

    Purre wrote:

    So you’d prefer to have your research institutions to no longer get new blood into it from outside? Sure, if you want to go toward more Soviet direction.

    No. I prefer to have less Government interference and a lot more Free Market influence in determining who gets the job. It’s all about making government smaller, not bigger…


  69. Purre
    69 | January 31, 2012 3:02 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Busy, busy! Studying pharmacy (switching fields as I was unemployed – and there’s lot of work for pharmacists in Finland and many other European countries) and loving it every moment. Oh, and I do read the posts almost every day. Just I have little energy for posting after all the studying I have done.


  70. RIX
    70 | January 31, 2012 3:02 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ RIX:
    If there’s anything the last three years have taught us, it’s that Obama and the Democraps think that the “rules” apply only to Republicans and the middle class taxpayer.

    True, the Republicans were obstructionists even when
    they didn’t have enough votes to obstruct anything.
    The Dems just keep saying it, over & over.


  71. Purre
    71 | January 31, 2012 3:07 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    If you don’t want to get researchers and specialists from abroad, you will wither some fields and end up like Soviet Union in that regard. There’s useless bureaucracy and then there’s useful bureaucracy. H1B is useful door, just it needs to be used right. Trick is to figure out how to get it work as intended and then renovate it.


  72. 72 | January 31, 2012 3:13 pm

    @ RIX:

    And the media stenographers puttered along. And wondered why no one watched or read them anymore.

    And that’s what I’d love the GOP nominee to say in a debate. The minute Obama says “I wanted to _______ but the Republican in Congress kept it from happening” the nominee says:

    “For two solid years you had a majority in the House and a near filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. Why didn’t you do it then? The Republicans couldn’t stop you. But you persisted in your myth that they’re the bad guys. They don’t care. Well, Mr. President, the individual debt per person in this country, right down to the babies being born is over $50,000. The Republicans certainly didn’t do that. And before you say it, sir, neither did President Bush. When are going to take responsibility for anything other than your constant boasting that you got bin Laden?”


  73. RIX
    73 | January 31, 2012 3:19 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Any Republican that says that in debate will win.
    But I just don’t see it happening


  74. 74 | January 31, 2012 3:25 pm

    @ RIX:

    I certainly don’t see Mittens saying it.
    Considering how they treated Brewer for just pointing with her finger, the follow up question in the debate would be “after that raaaaacist response, Mr. GOP candidate, can you tell us if you also kick puppies and smack children on the weekend while denying the civil rights of minorities?”


  75. coldwarrior
    75 | January 31, 2012 3:28 pm

    @ Macker:
    @ Carolina Girl:

    that is an illegal question. people get sued/fired etc over stunts like that


  76. Da_Beerfreak
    76 | January 31, 2012 3:30 pm

    Purre wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    If you don’t want to get researchers and specialists from abroad, you will wither some fields and end up like Soviet Union in that regard. There’s useless bureaucracy and then there’s useful bureaucracy. H1B is useful door, just it needs to be used right. Trick is to figure out how to get it work as intended and then renovate it.

    I never said I didn’t want good workers from abroad. That’s your assumption. The H1B is just a very small part of a much bigger problem with government that has grown too large. (and broken) There comes a time when the best way to fix something is to scrap it and start over fresh.


  77. 77 | January 31, 2012 3:31 pm

    It’s going to get harder and harder for the MSM stenographers to put a happy face on this economy, though. Look at the gas pump – everything’s inching back up to $4 a gallon. Just in time for election season. And of course, the drilling moritorium and the Keystone Pipeline are yesterday’s news to the MSM. They’d rather pretend a fourth-quarter GDP growth of less than 3 is indicative of a “BOOM!”

    I’m going to wait and see what happens when the warm weather is back and the TEA Party begins to rally again. Good luck calling us extremists. We have photos of the class warfare Democrap’s good time rock and roll Occupy crowd destroying property.

    “Just like the TEA Party,” Barack? Not even you and Andrea Mitchell will be able to convince the American public of that. The problem for the Democraps is that they really believe the TEA Party is over because they haven’t done anything in the last six months.

    Dude, we’re smarter than your Occupy Wall Street morons. We have jobs. And the weather sucks. We have better things to do right now.


  78. citizen_q
    78 | January 31, 2012 3:35 pm

    @ Rodan:
    @ Macker:
    I wanted to say that I thought he and qusay should be enjoying a well deserved stay in hell, but tech-support? The horror!

    /


  79. 79 | January 31, 2012 3:38 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Macker:
    @ Carolina Girl:
    that is an illegal question. people get sued/fired etc over stunts like that

    I mean, you can’t even ask anything that would even remotely tell you a person’s age. You can’t ask what year they graduated from high school or college. Heck, one of my friends works at a law firm specializing in labor law and told me over lunch that one of their clients was sent a nasty letter and request for “compensation” from an applicant who claimed that the interviewer had mentioned events from more than 20 years ago to see if the applicant had any recollection of them. When the applicant was turned down, she went all 5150 that it was all about her age and they were secretly trying to find out how old she was.

    Of course, with me, the wrinkles always give me away.


  80. coldwarrior
    80 | January 31, 2012 3:41 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    @ Macker:
    I wanted to say that I thought he and qusay should be enjoying a well deserved stay in hell, but tech-support? The horror!
    /

    :lol:

    not even they deserve that fate.


  81. 81 | January 31, 2012 3:45 pm

    Something interesting from Bloomberg:

    Confidence among U.S. consumers unexpectedly dropped in January as gasoline prices picked up and more Americans said jobs were hard to get.

    The Conference Board’s confidence index fell to 61.1 from a revised 64.8 reading in the prior month, figures from the New York-based private research group showed today. The median forecast of economists surveyed by Bloomberg News called for a rise to 68. The figure was lower than the most pessimistic projection.

    Job growth has fallen short of the pace required to drive bigger gains in wages, at the same time higher fuel costs threaten to strain household budgets and limit spending. The report showed fewer Americans expect their incomes to increase in the next six months, and they pared plans to purchase cars and homes.

    Sentiment data indicate “just how fragile households believe the economic expansion is,” Steven Wood, president of Insight Economics LLC in Danville, California, said before the report. It is “largely the result of ongoing weakness in the labor and housing markets as well as the political bickering in Washington and on the campaign trail.”


  82. 82 | January 31, 2012 3:50 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Did a headline on it!


  83. Da_Beerfreak
    83 | January 31, 2012 3:50 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Something interesting from Bloomberg:
    Confidence among U.S. consumers unexpectedly dropped in January as gasoline prices picked up and more Americans said jobs were hard to get.
    The Conference Board’s confidence index fell to 61.1 from a revised 64.8 reading in the prior month, figures from the New York-based private research group showed today. The median forecast of economists surveyed by Bloomberg News called for a rise to 68. The figure was lower than the most pessimistic projection.
    Job growth has fallen short of the pace required to drive bigger gains in wages, at the same time higher fuel costs threaten to strain household budgets and limit spending. The report showed fewer Americans expect their incomes to increase in the next six months, and they pared plans to purchase cars and homes.
    Sentiment data indicate “just how fragile households believe the economic expansion is,” Steven Wood, president of Insight Economics LLC in Danville, California, said before the report. It is “largely the result of ongoing weakness in the labor and housing markets as well as the political bickering in Washington and on the campaign trail.”

    Unexpectedly!! :shock:

    Of course… :wink:


  84. 84 | January 31, 2012 3:51 pm

    New thread.


  85. eaglesoars
    85 | January 31, 2012 3:51 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Look at the gas pump – everything’s inching back up to $4 a gallon. Just in time for election season.

    Oh, heavy driving season is summer and that’s when the prices jack up – they have to have all these ’boutique’ blends to meet emission standards. But Obama has a not-so-secret weapon. The Strategic Petroleum Reserve. Release a few barrels and Voila! – down goes the price.


  86. Da_Beerfreak
    86 | January 31, 2012 3:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    New thread.

    Just like the old thread, only less filling… :twisted:


  87. RIX
    87 | January 31, 2012 3:58 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I certainly don’t see Mittens saying it.
    Considering how they treated Brewer for just pointing with her finger, the follow up question in the debate would be “after that raaaaacist response, Mr. GOP candidate, can you tell us if you also kick puppies and smack children on the weekend while denying the civil rights of minorities?”

    Or, “I get a strong impression that you are decended
    from slave holders. Is that why you have difficulty
    relating to African Americans?”


  88. citizen_q
    88 | January 31, 2012 3:58 pm

    O/T, saw this over at Atlas Shrugs:

    Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg on Friday apologized for Norway’s deportations of Jews during the Second World War

    “Without relieving the Nazis of their responsibility, it is time for us to acknowledge that Norwegian policemen and other Norwegians took part in the arrest and deportation of Jews,” Stoltenberg said.

    “Today, I feel it is fitting for me to express our deepest apologies that this could happen on Norwegian soil,” the prime minister added, standing on the exact spot where 532 Jews boarded the cargo ship Donau to be taken to the concentration camps.

    After Nazi troops invaded Norway on April 9, 1940, it was ruled by a collaborationist government headed by Vidkun Quisling, whose name has since been synonymous with “traitor.”

    About 772 Jews were deported from Nazi-occupied Norway during the war. Only 34 of them survived.

    “The murders were unquestionably carried out by the Nazis,” Stoltenberg said, “but it was Norwegians who carried out the arrests, it was Norwegians who drove the trucks … and it happened in Norway.”

    Time for a little irony given the continued endemic antisemitism in norway.

    “No one, no individual, no minority, should have to live in fear in this country.”

    In her posting Pamela notes that norway outlawed Jewish ritual slaughter in 1929, 3 years before the nazis, and the law remains in place while it was rescinded in post-war Germany.


  89. 89 | January 31, 2012 4:34 pm

    No-one knows the details of this engineer’s inability to find work. Has he been prepared to move to another state?
    The right is wrong to make a issues of work visas and Obama’s answer to the woman. The need for workers and the top and bottom of the scale is a fact. Obama was as polite as he could be – merely pointing out that some engineers are more in demand than others.
    A true minimal-government, free market answer to the woman would be: let companies hire whomever they wish at whatever rate they can negotiate, provided the workers are legal. The H1B1 visa system is in effect a guest-worker system which should be extended to the crop-pickers. A guest-worker system is a cumbersome work-around for the constraints on the labor market put in place by unions, minimum wage laws etc. and the abysmal education offered by state schools, which teaches children how to whine about entitlements but no skills worth paying for.


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