UKPA: Church set on fire after carnival
An Orthodox Christian church famed for its valuable icons was set alight in southern Macedonia overnight amid religious tension between Christians and minority Muslims over a carnival in which Orthodox Christian men dressed as women in burkas and mocked the Koran.
Firefighters extinguished the fire on Monday night in the two century-old Sveti Nikola church, near the town of Struga. The church’s roof was destroyed but its icons were not damaged, the fire service said.
Hours before the fire, Muslim leaders had appealed for calm among community members.
The January 13 Vevčani festival prompted angry, sometimes violent demonstrations by Muslims, who are nearly all ethnic Albanian and make up 33% of the country’s 2.1 million population and accuse the majority of stoking hatred against them.
Ethnic tension has been simmering in this small Balkan country since the end of an armed rebellion in 2001, when ethnic Albanian rebels fought government forces for about eight months, seeking greater rights for their community. The conflict left 80 people dead, and ended with the intervention of Nato peacekeepers.
The Vevčani carnival, said to have been held for some 1,400 years, attracts thousands of visitors. Local residents traditionally wear elaborate, frequently sarcastic masks, with some of the most common costumes including devils and demons.
But this year’s perceived mockery of the Koran and the burka costumes caused outrage.
On Saturday, protesters attacked an inter-city bus heading from Struga to Vevčani, throwing rocks at the vehicle but injuring nobody. They also defaced a Macedonian flag outside Struga’s municipal building, replacing it with a green flag representing Islam. On the same day, perpetrators attacked a church in the nearby village of Labunista, destroying a cross standing outside.
Macedonian Muslim leaders called for restraint but also accused the government of promoting Islamophobia.
Deputy Prime Minister Musa Xhaferi said such incidents “create discord” and “violate mutual respect and trust.”
As always, Muslims blame someone else (in this case, the Macedonians) for their own lack of self-control.
Oh, and by the way, the term “Islamophobia” is an invention of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Seattle PI: Macedonia Muslims urge restraint over carnival
SKOPJE, Macedonia (AP) — Muslim leaders in Macedonia appealed for calm on Monday among community members outraged over a carnival in which Orthodox Christian men mocked Muslims by dressing as Burqa-clad women.
The incident at the Jan. 13 Vevčani festival has prompted angry, sometimes violent demonstrations by Muslims, who make up 33 percent of the country’s 2.1 million population and accuse the majority of stoking hatred against them.
On Saturday, some protesters attacked buses and defaced a Macedonian flag and replaced it with a green flag to represent Islam. On the same day, a church was attacked by unknown perpetrators in the nearby village of Labunista.
In a statement Monday, Macedonian Muslim leaders called for restraint but also accused the government of promoting Islamophobia.
“The behavior of Muslims should be restrained, but, unfortunately, we are concerned that Islamophobia in Macedonia is often combined with government propaganda,” they said. “Such is the case with this carnival that the government annually subsidizes with…the money of all citizens, including Muslims.”
The carnival, said to have been held for some 1,400 years, attracts thousands of visitors. Local resident traditionally wear elaborate, frequently sarcastic masks, with some of the most common costumes including devils and demons.
Muslims in Macedonia are almost all ethnic Albanians. Albanians, in Macedonia and elsewhere, have traditionally been secular, but conservative Islamic schools, especially Wahhabism, have taken a foothold in the years following a brief ethnic Albanian uprising in Macedonia in 2001. This spread has been mainly financed from Saudi Arabia.
Also see:
- MSNBC: Vevčani Carnival Photos
- Macedonian Cultural and Information Centre: Vevčani Carnival
- IDIVIDI: Vevčani carnival is a pearl of Macedonia’s tradition, says Kanceska-Milevska
Tags: burqa dudes, Macedonia, Riot
Islam is a plague on humanity.
See, if they had second amendment rights this kind of stuff would taper off.
They could schedule thier koran mocking sessions every Friday afternoon, with a pig roast afterwards.
@ Prebanned:
their serb brothers have plenty of pig roasts and can mock the muzzies any time they like. the muzz problem was taken care of in serbia…maybe macedonia should be next.
I wonder why?
I thought they were supposed to be secular, liberal Muslims….
Moe Katz wrote:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAASA!!!!!
I slam
You slam
We all slam
Islam
@ coldwarrior:
People have a right to defend themselves.
How on earth can muslims whine and cry about thier cult being mocked while thier cult murders people?
They believe that other people are worthless and may be murdered without penalty under islam, that is why they cannot stand having the subhumans mock the islamic cult.
Rodan wrote:
There, fixed that for ya!
@ Prebanned:
i say arm the christians to the teeth and let them go hunting. i have no use for the political movement known as islam.
So let me see if I got this straight. If you make fun of muslims and they riot and kill and burn down churches, etc… its islamaphobia and the fault of everyone else.
How can they say these things with a straight face? If you insult me and I kill you, its your fault.
@ MikeA:
you got it! see how easy that is to understand, now convert or die, infidel!
@ MikeA:
That’s right. Non-Muslims are expected to restrict their free speech to accommodate Muslim sensitivities. And we all become dhimmis.
Prebanned wrote:
The moo-slimes are only following the example of their pedophile, rapist, murdering, truce-breaking false profit inventor of their gutter cult. Just as their scriptures advise, mo-ham-head being what passes for the perfect man by their twisted reckoning.
i just looked at some of the photos…so i guess we can expect the elvis ghost society to get violent and the grim reaper’s union to be seething as well
coldwarrior wrote:
Ever see pictures of muslimes celebrating ashura? If you have that alone should dispell any naive notions of the fundamental barbarity is islam.
Here is a google image search of “ahura photos” at google images. Warning – there is much blood, and therefore not NSFW or for those with delicate constitutions.
http://www.google.com/search?q=ashura%20photos&biw=1025&bih=799&sei=jZ8qT6OxH8yutwflluTIDw&tbm=isch
coldwarrior wrote:
They insulted Elvis?
Ok, I am not angry, not even a little mad, just had to think about it.
I guess I am prejudiced against people that riot and murder and arson and rape.
Character flaw on my part.
@ MikeA:
Don’t call me violent! If you call me violent, I will kill you!
That is how the Mohammedans act. And the traitors on the Left are perfectly willing to accomodate that.
coldwarrior wrote:
Considering I just bought 2K more rounds of ammo last week, I would say to them…
Bring it!!!!
@ Iron Fist:
Charles Johnson is a perfect example. He has a Jihadi on his blog and turns a blind eye to ProLifelIberal’s violent ramblings.
Iron Fist wrote:
Prebanned wrote:
Celebrate Diversity, RAAAAACIST!
@ Iron Fist:
We aren’t racist. They can practice their culture and I will practice mine. Like Charles Napier said
@ MikeA:
Works for me. In my homeland, we shoot rioters. Consequently, we have few riots…
MikeA wrote:
on of my favorite quotes of all time
@ coldwarrior:
It gets to the core of my feelings on Diversity issues. My customs come first.
Brian Terry’s family had filed a $25 million lawsuit gagainst the ATF. Spread the word. This should plauge the Obama Administration like leprousy.
coldwarrior wrote:
Problem is, the US and the EU and NATO are solidly on the side of the Muslims. Macedonia (FYROM) is part of the “former Yugoslavia”. If anybody in Macedonia even suggested reining in the Muslims, he’d be kidnapped and hauled up before the ICTY and tormented there until he died.
A lot of Albanian Muslims used the Kosovo War as an excuse for infiltrating Macedonia and settling there.
coldwarrior wrote:
Indeed.
Everything is an excuse to riot & commit acts of violence in Islam.
@ Bumr50:
I hope its wrong. If he backs Romney, his political credibility is toast. It just doesn’t make any sense, unless Romney promised him some business favors?
Iron Fist wrote:
Erkel Holder in the hot seat right now.
@ 1389AD:
The US/NATO are nothing more than modern day Janissary. I have no use for NATO, its just an arm of Islamic aggression.
Iron Fist wrote:
From the link:
Not a chance that they’ll prove that in court.
Surely the Macedonians can see what would happen to them if islam became the majority in thier country, they only have to cast thier gaze upon Egypt.
Normal people should be well armed.
islam is the zombie death cult.
@ Rodan:
Drudge has gone from mere bias to attempted electioneering.
I guarantee that the Romney folks flew half of there staff to wherever Trump is to promise him the moon, no pun intended.
He went to Minnesota expecting a Bachmann endorsement yesterday and he came away empty handed. It seems like he was expecting immediate muster of all Republicans.
@ lobo91:
You can never predict what a jury will decide. They don’t have to prove beyond reasonable doubt, just a preponderance of the evidence, anyway. I see this as another way to put pressure on the DOJ, though, rather than an attempt to cash in. Discovery should be very interesting.
Anyone watching the Holder hearings? Holder, and his dim supporters have to be the most skilled liars on the planet.
@ huckfunn:
No, Bill Clinton is the most skilled liar on the planet…
Iron Fist wrote:
Holder learned much from Billy Jeff. His linguistic acrobatics are a real marvel.
@ huckfunn:
I’m listening.
Chaffetz is pretty good.
@ Iron Fist:
Oh, they might get 12 people too dumb to get out of jury duty to go for it, but they’ll lose on appeal.
There is absolutely no way to prove that claim. It’s just as bogus as all the frivolous lawsuits people filed against gun manufacturers before Congress put a stop to it.
@ citizen_q:
Good Friday
(not to mention all those flagellants in the past)
No, by Khomeini.
Bumr50 wrote:
How many times has Holder used the term “context”? Pure obfuscation.
@ huckfunn:
It all depends on what the meaning of the word “is” is…
huckfunn wrote:
Well practiced, they are.
It helps if you are a sociopath.
Iron Fist wrote:
Indeed.
I always despised him for that.
1389AD wrote:
Democrats admire a top drawer liar which is one of the reasons Clinton got a second term. It’s one of the reasons they like Obammy.
@ Guggi:
In that instance there is a difference between ashura and
There is also a difference between adults acting stupid and purposefully cutting your child’s head while the child is kicking and screaming wondering why mommy wants to make them bleed.
gotta go pay my protection fee to the accountant so the irs doenst come after me with a blood chit or something…
later!
Guggi wrote:
Well, that’d be even worse, come to think of it. Although the Muslim Brotherhood heavily promote the use of that term, it’d be interesting if Khomeini came up with the original idea. Do you have a link for that?
@ Guggi:
That’s a Filipino thing. Not a Catholic thing. I do find it sick. Most Filipinos don’t do it and nowhere in Catholic teachings do you have to mimic Crucifixion With the Shia, they are encouraged to whip themselves.
@ m:
That’s the key.
This is what we have to do now:
I don’t disagree. We need a conservative Senate if Romney triumphs ( which I doubt) and even moreso if he fails (as I feel is inevitible).
@ m:
i) it is NOT “Muslim practize ashura” but Shiites practize ashura.
ii) I agree with you in question of the chldren
iii) To let you literally crucify is a practize of self controll but to cut yourself with a knife is a bloody ritual ? Really ?
@ Guggi:
Did you read what she linked to?
The Catholic Church doesn’t condone these acts. The Shiites encourage the acts of Ashura.
Huge difference. I know you hate Catholics and the Catholic Church, but to play moral equivalency with Shia Islam is really intellectually dishonest.
@ Rodan:
Those Catholic suicide bombers over Obama anti-Catholic (and really anti-Christian) HHS actions really convince me there is nothing different between Catholics and Muslims. Oh, wait…
@ m:
@ Rodan:
Reminds me of the one and only “terrorism” conversation I had with my convert to islam sister in-law. She said Christians do terrorism too, and said timithy micveigh was a Christian and did the Oklahoma bombing.
I replied that there was a huge difference in someone who commits an act of mass violence, who may or may not happen to be a Christian, and a muslim who does so in the name of his religion. You would have to be morally blind not to see the difference. There is nothing in Christianity that encourages the tactics of terrorism, and mcveigh was universally condemned. While islamic scriptures are rife with calls to violence, not to mention calls from islamic leaders from all walks for muslims to commit violence and genocide to spread and “protect” islam the mass murders who heed the call are feted as heroes.
If she could not see the difference, it was pointless to discuss the topic further.
Guggi wrote:
1) I did not say “muslim practize ashura” I said ashura
b) good to know
iii) That’s not what it said and not what I quoted
@ citizen_q:
McVeigh wasn’t a Christian. Full stop. Christians have had him draped about their shoulders by the Left, but that simply isn’t the case. McVeigh was a lapsed Catholic who avowed agnosticism. I hate it when I get hit with this lie. Inform your Muzz-in-law next time she pontificates on the issue.
Iron Fist wrote:
Maybe its time for Catholics to form Paramilitary and terror groups. That seems to be the way to gain respect.
@ citizen_q:
McVeigh was a Radical Libertarian. He did it in the name of his ideology, not his faith.
Maybe if Christians started doing terror in the name of their religion, we would get the same respect Muzzies do.
Rodan wrote:
Ron Paul!
(Wonder why the Jazz-man hasn’t made that connection?)
@ Iron Fist:
Will do, though I avoid her and her family to the best of my ability. She wears burka for Pete’s sake. No matter how she tries to dress that sack-cloth of muslim shame with patterns and different colors. It is still creepy.
@ citizen_q:
I bet it is! I can[‘t say as I’ve ever been in close proximity of a burkha babe. Well, once there was a Black Muslim woman at the Waffel House, if that counts. We don’t have them around here, yet. We get the Enemy wearing niqjabs, but no full hag-bag.
@ 1389AD:
If he’s such a good liar why are so many people aware he is one, huh?
@ citizen_q:
Agreed.
Rodan wrote:
Sorry if that was not apparent in my anecdote.
Trump endorsing Romney?
@ Moe Katz:
People believe him anyway, even though they know he is an uncommonly good liar. That is how good he is!
Guggi wrote:
The local Church said to practice self control and not to crucify yourself.
None of the Christians here are saying any different, there is no support for self crucifixian except among the misguided people who practice it.
They no more represent the Church or Catholics, than does the Westboro baptist church represent the Church or Baptists.
The Church is simply those who believe in Christ and accept His free gift of salvation.
Being human, it is not surprising that some mistakes are made, read the Bible and pray to find the truth.
I really don’t think the westboro folks are Christians, they must be demon posessed to act that cruelly.
I dont know about the self-crucifiers, they need to re-read the book.
Prebanned wrote:
I think they are a Leftist false-flag operation to make Christians look bad. I assume that they are all really Atheists.
@ m:
Who says?
See my 27.
Moe Katz wrote:
You are right Bill Clinton is not a good liar, he could say anything and democrats backed him up. He only had to tell the truth when DNA evidence was alleged.
Democrats are like that, there is no truth in them, they will say whatever it takes to gain power.
Iron Fist wrote:
We ought to go attend thier service sometime and find out.
@ Iron Fist:
LOL! Reminds me of our former Canadian Prime Minister, Brian “Lyin’ Brian” Mulroney.
@ Iron Fist:
When my wife points out that while she accepts that that islam is violent, she does not believe her sister is.
While being sympathetic that this is her sister we are talking about, when questioned about why she is wearing the burka, her answer is that it a symbol of her more fully following her faith.
Fair enough, I then point out to my wife (and her parents when they confronted me about my distaste for her) the many calls to violence in the islamic scriptures, its hateful descriptions of Christians and Jews. I also point out that as muslim they are required to believe everything, from the existence of jinn to the need for muslims to murder every Jew to bring about their day of judgement. If she is more fully following her faith all that is part of it, therefore she is following and believing the bad stuff as well. Weather she will admit to it or not. Her sister holds a PHD in sociology, so I won’t take ignorance as an excuse.
I have rather good library, including the sharia manual Reliance of the Traveler, a couple of q-ran translations, books by Robert Spencer, Ibn Warraq, Andrew Bostom, Bernard Lewis…. I can with them cite chapter and verse for each objection to islam I raise.
Rodan wrote:
Ashura is NOT a religous ritual but is the remembrance of imama Hussein ibn Ali.
This is a blatant and hyperbole – as always – lie. I studied philosphy at one of the oldest European Catholic universities and most of my profs have been padres and I’ve still best connections to them and some of them tell I’m more catholic than the Pope.
I’m so fed up with your hysterical accusations.
@ citizen_q:
The more devout the Muslim, the more violent they are. The so-called “Moderate” Muslim is usually an apostate who has fallen away from the faith, or outright converted to another religion. Question: when referring to suicide bombers, does your Muzz-in-law refer to them as “Martyrs”? That is a telling point for me. You see that everywhere.
@ Bumr50:
Fox just now. And Washington Post.
OT: Did anybody see Ann Coulters latest column praising Romneycare? I think she is on Romneys payroll and will never buy one of her books again. Total sellout.
@ Guggi:
I’m tired with people taking pot shots at my faith and comparing it to Islam. This isn’t the first time you have done this.
@ Iron Fist:
You’re onto something there. Educated, modern Pakistanis seem to gravitate towards secular humanism rather than liberal flavors of Islam.
@ m:
Unreal if true.
@ Guggi:
It’s not a religious ritual?
Sure sounds like a religious ritual to me.
@ tunnelrat:
Yeah, her true colors have definately come out. ObamneyCare is indefensible, and takes our best issue off of the table. It is the pre-emptive surrender that will cost us the White House this election.
m wrote:
Yeah, all that violence is non-religious, it is a religion of peace!
Anything that can be glued on to Christianity or Judaism, WELLLL!
@ m:
I wonder if Romney made him an offer…
Drudge is less than dirt IMO.
@ Iron Fist:
Happily, interaction has tapered off to nil.
I usually don’t concern myself too much with what the neighbor’s think, but I hate to have them see her haunting my property.
Unfortunately with my wife’s and her elderly parent’s health failing, that may change. I have been helping take care of them as needed. They live with another sister in-law who provides the bulk of their care.
@ Prebanned:
Maybe they’re just remembering his good works or good hair?
@ Bumr50:
I’m with ya on that.
@ tunnelrat:
Check out Mark Levin’s podcast from last night’s show. He disected the article.
http://www.marklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930#
m wrote:
I would also like to commemorate all the people who have tried to destroy islam throughout history.
I just don’t want to beat a muslim bloody doing it.
From now on I will celebrate Infidel Ashura by doing infidelish things.
Diversi11ty
@ Prebanned:
~:D
Rodan wrote:
I have always suspected guggi of being a German Muslim Troll. he/she/it lies at the drop of a hat, defends the indefensible like Soro’s and insults America at every opportunity.
@ Prebanned:
Eat PORK! That’ll endear you to the Mohammedans!
m wrote:
Sorry but no. It is a remembrance on the murder on Hussein bin Ali but NOT a religious ritual in Islam. The Reformation Day in the Lutheran Church is one if not the most important holiday but it is not a religious ritual although it is celebrated in the church. It is a day of remebrance not a religious ritual.
doriangrey wrote:
First you called me a Jew now you always knew that I’m a Muslim.
Take your pills.
doriangrey wrote:
Actually, I think she’s in Austria. And I don’t know whether she’s a deliberate troll or just mixed up en la cabeza.
***mtc’s comment here has been temporarily moved to moderation, see below for further details ***
Oh and the AD goes before the 1389.
@ mtc:
@ mtc:
GAZE
@ Da_Beerfreak:
Heh. No kidding.
Are MTC and Guggi one and the same?
Might want to check those IP addresses!
Prebanned wrote:
Yup.
@ 1389AD:
She is a pretty good troll, tries not to get everybody mad all at once.
Strings it along as long as she can.
Better than average.
@ Prebanned:
I would put money on it – MTC and Guggi are not one in the same.
mtc wrote:
that is going into moderation as that trite command of yours seems all you can do when 1389 does a post.
please read here
and here as you are not actually expressing an opinion or adding anything of value to the conversation by issuing that command repeatedly and are becoming quite rude.
the owners will decide whether or not to let that post out of moderation in the AM, as for now comments are closed as well on this thread, they will be re-opened in the morning after we have a pow wow.
have a nice day, and do try not to call me an idiot or some other descriptive like that as again you would not be adding anything of value to the conversation