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Saturday Lecture Series: An Interview with Francis Fukuyama

by coldwarrior ( 43 Comments › )
Filed under Academia, History, Open thread, saturday lecture series at February 4th, 2012 - 8:30 am

Francis Fukuyama is famous in the International Affairs circles for stating that the end of the Cold War was the End of History. It can be found in its entirety here. Please re-acquaint yourselves with it, or if you have no idea what I am on about, do read it in the mind of 1989, not with 2012 glasses.

Now, Prof Fukuyama is interviewed in Der Speigel this week. They are long and I don’t want to publish them in their enitrey here.

Part 1, ‘Where Is the Uprising from the Left?’

Part 2 ‘Tea Party Activists Mobilize Against Their Own Economic Interests’

In a following lecture we will explore Benjamin Barber wrote a 1992 article and 1995 book, Jihad vs. McWorld, and further out we will cover Samuel P. Huntington wrote a 1993 essay, “The Clash of Civilizations”, as counter to Fukuyama’s arguement. These two essays and Fukuyama’s “End of History” essay have to be considered together and understood in the time they were written, post Cold War and pre-9-11.

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  1. mawskrat
    1 | February 4, 2012 9:11 am

    CW…did yah get your drain fixed?

    if not I can do a service call>LOL
    but it’s gonna cost yah big time.
    ribs and beer with a few mixed drinks thrown in////


  2. coldwarrior
    2 | February 4, 2012 9:14 am

    mawskrat wrote:

    CW…did yah get your drain fixed?
    if not I can do a service call>LOL
    but it’s gonna cost yah big time.
    ribs and beer with a few mixed drinks thrown in////

    its cleared.

    but thanks for the offer!

    :lol:


  3. coldwarrior
    3 | February 4, 2012 9:16 am

    Lost wants us to watch a video:

    Lost wrote:

    @ Bunk X:
    Go to http://www.thethirdjihad.com/ and watch.
    People need to WAKE UP!

    so there ya are, i’m gonna look at this later


  4. RIX
    4 | February 4, 2012 9:27 am

    Sorry to go OT, but FNC just had a clip of an recent
    interview of Ruth Bader Ginsburg on Egyptian Television.
    The issue was a hypothetical writing of a Constitution
    in 2012.
    She said that she would not look to the U.S Constitution
    for guidance, but rather the South African Constitution.
    This is an example of why Obama should not get to appoint
    any justices.


  5. mawskrat
    5 | February 4, 2012 9:40 am

    @ RIX:

    yep saw that…how sad


  6. lobo91
    6 | February 4, 2012 9:42 am

    @ RIX:

    At least she didn’t suggest the EU constitution as a model…


  7. 7 | February 4, 2012 9:43 am

    @ RIX:

    She’s probably correct – Egypt’s population is incapable of operating under the US constitution. Hell, the current US is having trouble doing so.


  8. lobo91
    8 | February 4, 2012 9:53 am

    @ Mike C.:

    “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
    –John Adams

    I think I see the problem…


  9. mawskrat
    9 | February 4, 2012 9:55 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ RIX:
    She’s probablycorrect – Egypt’s population is incapable of operating under the USconstitution. Hell, thecurrent US is having trouble doing so.

    yes it seems Arabs need a brutal leader in
    order for them to function.

    Mohammod proved that/


  10. lobo91
    10 | February 4, 2012 10:01 am

    I got an email this afternoon from the embassy warning us not to go to the Syrian embassy this evening, due to possible protests.

    Yeah, because that was on my list of things to do tonight…


  11. Prebanned
    11 | February 4, 2012 10:05 am

    RIX wrote:

    Sorry to go OT, but FNC just had a clip of an recent
    interview of Ruth Bader Ginsburg on Egyptian Television.
    The issue was a hypothetical writing of a Constitution
    in 2012.
    She said that she would not look to the U.S Constitution
    for guidance, but rather the South African Constitution.
    This is an example of why Obama should not get to appoint
    any justices.

    I honestly think she should be deported to south africa.
    Put up or shut up, Ruth.


  12. RIX
    12 | February 4, 2012 10:05 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    At least she didn’t suggest the EU constitution as a model…

    Or the Communist Manifesto, so that probably passes
    as a moderate Democrat.


  13. lobo91
    13 | February 4, 2012 10:10 am

    @ RIX:

    She’s on record as saying that our Constitution should be amended to include rights to housing, food, and medical care.


  14. RIX
    14 | February 4, 2012 10:11 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ RIX:
    She’s probably correct – Egypt’s population is incapable of operating under the US constitution. Hell, the current US is having trouble doing so.

    It is just another example of what is wrong with the
    Progressive Justices on the Court
    As an example, Bryer thinks that it is a swell
    idea to look to foreign cses for precednt, even
    trumping U.S case law.
    Every first year law student is taught that foreign
    cases are permiisable only when there is no U.S case
    law.


  15. 15 | February 4, 2012 10:13 am

    Watch this 1979 interview by Phil Donahue, with Milton Friedman as the guest, and watch very carefully what Friedman says about American Presidents.
    Oh the rest of this excerpt is priceless too…as Donahue gets taken to School.
    Phil Donahue: a douchebag in 1979 and still a douchebag today!


  16. Prebanned
    16 | February 4, 2012 10:13 am

    the egalitarianism of modern America represents the essential achievement of the classless society envisioned by Marx. This is not to say that there are not rich people and poor people in the United States, or that the gap between them has not grown in recent years. But the root causes of economic inequality do not have to do with the underlying legal and social structure of our society, which remains fundamentally egalitarian and moderately redistributionist, so much as with the cultural and social characteristics of the groups that make it up, which are in turn the historical legacy of premodern conditions. Thus black poverty in the United States is not the inherent product of liberalism, but is rather the “legacy of slavery and racism” which persisted long after the formal abolition of slavery.

    Ohhh My aching head


  17. RIX
    17 | February 4, 2012 10:15 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    She’s on record as saying that our Constitution should be amended to include rights to housing, food, and medical care.

    She understands the Constitution to lack “Economic Justice”
    just like Obama.
    Jefferson & Adams I’m sure would differ on the purpose
    of the document.
    I also think that I read that she wants to lower the age
    of consent to 12.


  18. waldensianspirit
    18 | February 4, 2012 10:16 am

    Meanwhile as you know the muslims are having Bibles rewritten so as not to ‘ohhhhh fehhhhhhnd’ them

    http://biblicalmissiology.org/2012/01/16/fact-check-biblical-missiologys-response-to-wycliffes-comments-on-lost-in-translation/

    Instead of taking out the erroneous portions of the koran[which is every passage about biblical characters] they are getting the bible replace with their deliberate fallacies and mischaracterizations


  19. 19 | February 4, 2012 10:24 am

    RIX wrote:

    I also think that I read that she wants to lower the age
    of consent to 12.

    Which is most likely the age when she lost her virginity.


  20. RIX
    20 | February 4, 2012 10:30 am

    @ Macker:

    I think that she was probably a virgin until some guy
    got really drunk.


  21. Prebanned
    21 | February 4, 2012 10:35 am

    IF WE ADMIT for the moment that the fascist and communist challenges to liberalism are dead, are there any other ideological competitors left? Or put another way, are there contradictions in liberal society beyond that of class that are not resolvable? Two possibilities suggest themselves, those of religion and nationalism.

    Or just plain old Totalitarianism with a dictator, it is the classic formula and works well with islam and communism.
    For a little variety, you can have a rotating dictator chosen for you by your communist government.
    Or there are any number of ways elections can be rigged in semi-communist or socialist countries.
    One could argue that the EU is taking freedom away from Europeans, denying them the right to choose an ideology.
    Our own government is doing the same thing, I think it is the nature of government to do this.
    Which is why our constitution has all that stuff in there about what our government can’t do.


  22. mawskrat
    22 | February 4, 2012 10:36 am

    well I must go Burn It Up in
    da basement…work to do


  23. RIX
    23 | February 4, 2012 10:37 am

    See ya later


  24. Prebanned
    24 | February 4, 2012 10:37 am

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Meanwhile as you know the muslims are having Bibles rewritten so as not to ‘ohhhhh fehhhhhhnd’ them
    http://biblicalmissiology.org/2012/01/16/fact-check-biblical-missiologys-response-to-wycliffes-comments-on-lost-in-translation/
    Instead of taking out the erroneous portions of the koran[which is every passage about biblical characters] they are getting the bible replace with their deliberate fallacies and mischaracterizations

    Lets rewrite the koran and cast barney the dinosaur as mohammed


  25. waldensianspirit
    25 | February 4, 2012 10:44 am

    Prebanned wrote:

    Lets rewrite the koran and cast barney the dinosaur as mohammed

    On scraps of bark and segments of papyrus so they might [no guarantee] take to it


  26. Moe Katz
    26 | February 4, 2012 10:47 am

    Where are they planning to use these bowdlerized bibles anyway? In most Muslim countries it’s a serious if not capital offense to expose people to Christian scriptures….


  27. waldensianspirit
    27 | February 4, 2012 11:03 am

    @ Moe Katz:
    Particularly the West.

    The foundation stone of islam is that Jesus was never crucified; that allah out schemed the disciples of Christ to make them think he was but it was an impostor so the disciples would lose their Jesus as allah spirited him away to stop their shirk or blasphemy. As long as this goal is achieved they don’t mind where said bibles exist.

    In the Christian Bible this is called the “abomination that causes desolation” referred to in Daniel and Mark which refer to the Temple Mount and when it is exists there, the sands of time begin to tick a count down. The koran inscriptions on the sixteen lintel sides of the octagonal Dome of the Rock are all against the Father and Son precept by the disciples of Jesus from the original twelve to those who still believe today.


  28. Bumr50
    28 | February 4, 2012 11:05 am

    I can’t wait for next week’s lecture.

    Fukuyama irritated me.


  29. coldwarrior
    29 | February 4, 2012 11:11 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    I can’t wait for next week’s lecture.
    Fukuyama irritated me.

    :) he irritates me as well.

    when he wrote the initial essay “the end of history’ it did look like the world would settle into liberal democracies and all would be wonderful. but no, the muzz had to wreck the party.

    you will like Barber and especially Sam Huntington.


  30. waldensianspirit
    30 | February 4, 2012 11:14 am

    When Obama was taking Jesus name in vain the other day he was saying he Obama not only wants what is Caesars but also the portion for G-d.

    When it comes to economics Jesus said it all depends on the deal you make. Stick to deals you have made, see them through, make better deals when you can and don’t look over at the other guy with jealousy and greed in your heart because he got a better business deal


  31. coldwarrior
    31 | February 4, 2012 11:16 am

    @ waldensianspirit:

    yeah…ya aint gonna see any wycliffe crap in any of the orthodox churches i can promise you that.


  32. waldensianspirit
    32 | February 4, 2012 11:21 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    I figured as much :mrgreen:

    One thing good is, it does wake us all up


  33. Bumr50
    33 | February 4, 2012 11:22 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Fukuyama: The Tea Party is a genuine grassroots movement, so I do not buy into these conspiracy theories that rich billionaires initiated it. When you go to one of these rallies of Ron Paul supporters, they are very passionate. They all tend to be young, and they have just got this libertarian idea in their minds that the government is really the source of all of our problems. So I think the convictions of Tea Party activists are sincere, they are not manipulated by billionaires. But it is true that they mobilize against their own economic interests and for the interests of elites they should despise. I still do not fully understand why they do that.

    Does he not believe in the original idea of America?

    It seems that he’s already conceded that the American experiment and it’s constitution are a failure. Period.

    He’s very hung up on income equality as being the only way to maintain social peace in a nation.

    My “1989″ glasses aren’t much use to me, as they’re constantly staring at boobs and trying to look up skirts!


  34. waldensianspirit
    34 | February 4, 2012 11:35 am

    Chop a tablet, pencil and saxophone in half and give a half of each to a saxophonist and mathematician and the music sucks and the math lousy with details. But you did achieve income equality


  35. coldwarrior
    35 | February 4, 2012 11:40 am

    @ Bumr50:

    i’m not going to say i agree with him now either, he was on of the guys who gave the neo-cons the brilliant idea of democracy for all no matter what..which gives us the arab spring and the crap in iraq and afghanistan. he is a very important writer and thinker for this and by being familiar with his ideas, it is easier to understand barber and especially the giant sam huntington…both are for later


  36. Bumr50
    36 | February 4, 2012 11:51 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    I look forward!!

    I pulled this from a forum, and so I don’t have a link just yet.

    Not saying I agree, just interesting:

    In a Press release, April 1010 the RNC Announced the 2012 Presidential Nominating Schedule Committee rules. In a nutshell, the published rules are as follows:

    The four carve-out states of Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, South Carolina may begin their processes any time on or after February 1, 2012.
    The remainder of the states may begin no earlier than the first Tuesday of March 2012.
    Any state (other than the four carve-out states) that conducts its process prior to April 1, 2012, must allocate its delegates on a proportional basis.
    Any state that violates this Rule will lose 50% of its delegates, alternate-delegates and potentially face many other penalties.

    Rule 3., Proportional Allocation was provided with no equivocation. None!
    Rule 4., Loss of 50% of delegates, provides for addition penalty possibilities.
    The ad hoc ruling in the case of Florida is an obvious suspension of the RNC’s published rule 3 and is an obvious case of favoritism.
    Rule 3. was also agreed to by the convened committee Noteworthy is that of the 7 members, Paul Senft – National Committeeman, FL was on the committee, and was cognizant of the terms set forth therein!
    No subsequent modifications to these rules by the committee have been published, nor any record of said meeting has been found.

    This takes us to violations in SC and N.H. as well as Fla.. RNC chairman Reince Priebus’s statement @ http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/10/25/gop-chairman-flori…“However, as a consequence, South Carolina and New Hampshire will also be stripped of half their delegates for the Republican National Convention”

    These carve-out states are also defined in 2008_RULES_Adopted.pdf, an earlier document referenced later as well, below.

    A misstatement by Chairman Reince Priebus?

    Doubtful..clearly stated in both documents. In modern English. Not in “Legalese”

    How do the present total delegate counts compare, by applying the RNC’s established and standing rules? I ran a quick spreadsheet: the output lines of which follow:
    Candidate Romney Newt Santorum Paul
    Presently reported totals 71 23 13 3
    Rules applied totals. 49 85 20 6

    Also apologies for formatting, but you get the gist.

    Leaving aside candidate preference entirely, is anyone else troubled by the RNC’s seemingly indifference to their own rules?


  37. coldwarrior
    37 | February 4, 2012 12:04 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Leaving aside candidate preference entirely, is anyone else troubled by the RNC’s seemingly indifference to their own rules?

    why should the politburo listen to the rules, we proles dont know how to read anyway.


  38. m
    38 | February 4, 2012 12:05 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Chop a tablet, pencil and saxophone in half and give a half of each to a saxophonist and mathematician and the music sucks and the math lousy with details. But you did achieve income equality

    We need that simplified for a t-shirt.


  39. coldwarrior
    39 | February 4, 2012 12:08 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:
    Leaving aside candidate preference entirely, is anyone else troubled by the RNC’s seemingly indifference to their own rules?
    why should the politburo listen to the rules, we proles dont know how to read anyway.

    and, they are counting on us knuckle headed tea partiers to say, well, 4 more years of obama would be so bad that i guess i have to eat this shit sandwich just one more time vote for mitt


  40. Bumr50
    40 | February 4, 2012 12:11 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    It’s really just the GOP’s form of voter fraud.

    How much validity does my primary vote really have?

    I don’t think I’m overstating.


  41. coldwarrior
    41 | February 4, 2012 12:12 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    It’s really just the GOP’s form of voter fraud.
    How much validity does my primary vote really have?
    I don’t think I’m overstating.

    there is is. fraud.


  42. Bumr50
    42 | February 4, 2012 12:22 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Fear not.

    Forward thinkers are among us.

    Political Moneyball: The Conservative Strategy for Winning the Fight Coming After the Election

    Excellent piece.


  43. coldwarrior
    43 | February 4, 2012 12:24 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Fear not.
    Forward thinkers are among us.
    Political Moneyball: The Conservative Strategy for Winning the Fight Coming After the Election
    Excellent piece.

    that is going in special right now, thx


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