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Murderous dictators and the useful Western idiots who love them

by Speranza ( 136 Comments › )
Filed under Hamas, Hezballah, Islamists, Leftist-Islamic Alliance, Nazism, Syria, Taliban at February 10th, 2012 - 12:00 pm

Joseph Stalin had Beatrice Webb, H.G. Wells, Malcolm Muggeridge, George Bernard Shaw, and Walter Duranty. Adolf Hitler had The Mitford sisters, Charles Lindbergh, Father Coughlin and Ezra Pound. Now we have George Galloway, Jimmy Carter, Lauren Booth, Michael Moore, Sean Penn, Roger Cohen, and countless others singing the praises of various Islamofascists and/or left-wing tyrants such as Saddam Hussein, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Taliban, Hugo Chavez, Bashar Assad, Fidel Castro, and Ahmadinejad. The appeal of murderous dictators for the pampered children of western democracies is one that only psychiatrists can completely delve into. Needless to say, none of these useful idiots would ever be able to survive in Stalin’s USSR or the Mullah’s Iran.

by Seth J. Frantzman

‘Your excellency, dear Dr. [Bouthaina] Sha’aban I hope this letter finds you well. Please be assured of my warmest fraternal greetings always. I am writing on behalf of Viva Palestina whose world-wide family of solidarity organizations… will soon be setting out for besieged Gaza.”

This fawning introduction might sound innocuous enough, if it were not for the fact that it was e-mailed to the special adviser to Syrian President Bashar Assad by a former British MP only three months after he left office in 2010.

George Galloway’s obsequious verbosity is now posted online for all to see. The hacker network “Anonymous” broke into the e-mails of Syria’s ruling elite and disseminated them on Tuesday. Other nuggets of slavish devotion to the dictator include: “Syria is, as I have often said is [sic] the last castle of Arab dignity. My only regret is to have to ask for your help again.” It is not clear what “again” refers to. It seems Mr. Galloway had had previous dealings with the optometrist-turned-tyrant in Damascus.

The Galloway transcripts, along with other e-mails, are receiving some attention in the press, with The Atlantic claiming they “reveal the friendly westerners who sucked up to Syria’s dictator.”

Another e-mail presents evidence that Assad tried to manipulate public perception through the Barbara Walters interview which aired in early December, 2011. A press attaché writes that the most important thing will be for Assad to mention that “mistakes” were made because there is no “well organized police force… the American psyche can be easily manipulated.”

The dustup over the e-mails comes as no surprise to people who have been watching the likes of Assad, Galloway and others for some time. In 1994 Galloway went to Iraq, ostensibly to oppose the sanctions that had been placed on that country, and spoke to Saddam Hussein in front of an audience, saying he saluted the dictator’s “courage” and “indefatigability.”

[.....]

The story with Assad and his manipulation of Western leaders and media is also not a surprise. US Speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi visited Assad in 2007. She claimed he was ready for peace with Israel.

That intellectuals and leaders over the years were duped by Saddam, Assad, Muammar Gaddafi, Idi Amin, or other nefarious individuals who were subsequently proved to be mass murderers is unsurprising in light of the moral relativistic view that often allows these malevolents to scrape by with the meekest of promises.

Consider French philosopher Michel Foucault. The left-wing celebrity philosopher was a devotee of Ayatollah Ruholla Khomeini and the Iranian revolution. In 1978 he waxed poetic, claiming that “by ‘Islamic government’ nobody in Iran means a political regime in which the clerics would have a role of supervision or control.”

Each dictator has his Western apologist, it would seem. Hugo Chavez, the Venezuelan thug who has crushed the independent media and appears destined to cling to power has a friend in activist-actor Sean Penn. “This is not a dictator supported by the wealthy classes, but rather a president elected by the impoverished and at the service of the Venezuelan constitution, a document not unlike our own. He is a flamboyant, passionate leader,” said Penn. The long list of Fidel Castro admirers is well known.

The co-founder of the London School of Economics (LSE), it should be recalled, was a supporter of Joseph Stalin. After a visit to the Soviet utopia in 1931 he wrote that “we desire to record that we saw nowhere evidence of such economic slavery, privation, unemployment and cynical despair of betterment.” In an awfully worded excuse for mass murder he claimed, “wreckers of Communism could have sidetracked it without ever having to face the essential questions: are you pulling your weight in the social boat? Are you giving more trouble than you are worth? …That is why the Russians were forced to set up the inquisition called first the Cheka… to go into these questions and ‘liquidate’ persons who could not answer them satisfactorily.” Maybe it is not a surprise that the same LSE accepted more than $2 million in donations from Saif al-Islam Qaddadi shortly after he had received an academic degree. Of course the university is now duly embarrassed, has cleaned house and returned the money.

[.....]

Only in retrospect are Stalin’s crimes exposed or the reality of Assad’s “reforms” appreciated. By then it is too late, because often not only are the local people crushed and dead, but the foreigner who provided aid and comfort is able to say he or she honestly didn’t know, or was merely using the dictator to help “the people.” This is the post-script of the well-known book Charlie Wilson’s War.

Wilson became a lobbyist for Islamist Pakistan after leaving office in 1996 and he never took responsibility for ignoring the darker side of the mujihadeen he had encouraged America to support in Afghanistan. Instead the book seems to suggest that had only America built a few schools in Afghanistan in the 1990s the Taliban would not have come to power.

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Judged by democratic standards based on the values of John Locke or the Bill of Rights, one wouldn’t countenance Hussein, Assad, Stalin, Chavez, Castro or any of the others. And yet countenanced they are. In retrospect, people like Galloway look silly, but does his mistake serve as a lesson on the dangers of cozying up to despots? If history serves as evidence, the answer is decidedly no.

Read the rest – Galloway’s Gaffe

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  1. John Difool
    1 | February 10, 2012 12:11 pm

    A liberal has never met a despot who’s cock they wouldn’t suck dry.


  2. 2 | February 10, 2012 12:13 pm

    @ John Difool:

    Progressives are dictatorial by nature.


  3. Moe Katz
    3 | February 10, 2012 12:14 pm

    @ John Difool:
    Oh, I think accusations like that are overblown.


  4. Moe Katz
    4 | February 10, 2012 12:16 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Progressives are dictatorial by nature.

    DICK-tatorial.


  5. eaglesoars
    5 | February 10, 2012 12:16 pm

    Oh, you’re back! Disappeared on me yesterday.

    Robt Kennedy Jr, the Chavez oil suckup

    Anna Wintour who published that interview with Assads wife – right
    before the Arab Spring got sprung

    Jimmy Carter – pick a day of the week

    Oh, here’s the Big O explaining is ‘accomodation’


  6. eaglesoars
    6 | February 10, 2012 12:19 pm

    Why does everydoy say ‘contraception’ but nobody says ‘abortion’?


  7. 7 | February 10, 2012 12:20 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Keith Olbermann supported Hizballah in the 2006 war.


  8. eaglesoars
    8 | February 10, 2012 12:21 pm

    So the insurers provide this stuff ‘for free’?

    My hormone replacement/birth control pills just doubled in price


  9. eaglesoars
    9 | February 10, 2012 12:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Keith Olbermann supported Hizballah in the 2006 war.

    Well, maybe CNN will hire him in their Israeli bureau where they just fired all the Jews


  10. John Difool
    10 | February 10, 2012 12:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Progressives are dictatorial by nature.

    Lets not forget about Ted Kennedy collaborating with the Russians and conspiring against Reagan.

    He should have been shot for treason twenty something odd years before he died of brain cancer.


  11. John Difool
    11 | February 10, 2012 12:24 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Oh, I think accusations like that are overblown.

    Perhaps you’re right, maybe I gave them the shaft on that one.


  12. 12 | February 10, 2012 12:26 pm

    @ John Difool:

    .Lets not forget about Ted Kennedy collaborating with the Russians and conspiring against Reagan

    Yup that little gem. Think Progress was openly supporting Al-Qaeda in Iraq.


  13. pat
    13 | February 10, 2012 12:28 pm

    And on a related note:
    China Probes Police Official After Obama Administration Rejected Asylum Request
    Congressman pledges investigation, sees pattern of Obama administration failing to aid U.S. allies

    http://freebeacon.com/china-probes-police-official-after-obama-administration-rejected-asylum-request/


  14. citizen_q
    14 | February 10, 2012 12:28 pm

    Rumor posted at Drudge about kim jong un being assassinated in Beijing.

    I repeat rumor


  15. pat
    15 | February 10, 2012 12:31 pm

    Did you all see where Homeland Security is monitoring Drudge? Apparently his site is considered seditious.
    http://www.infowars.com/group-forces-congressional-hearing-on-big-sis-twitter-drudge-spying/


  16. 16 | February 10, 2012 12:31 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    If true, the Chinese killed him.


  17. John Difool
    17 | February 10, 2012 12:33 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Rumor posted at Drudge about kim jong un being assassinated in Beijing.
    I repeat rumor

    Most likely fake, but it would be epic if true.


  18. The Osprey
    18 | February 10, 2012 12:34 pm


  19. pat
    19 | February 10, 2012 12:35 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    I love the line in the story that says anything from China that begins “According to reliable sources….” is fake.
    Very much like our own MSM. Code for the journolist will now give you a leftwing talking point, meme or cliche.


  20. John Difool
    20 | February 10, 2012 12:37 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    If true, the Chinese killed him.

    Or a Nork military/party coup. Lets not forget his two biggest handlers are his Aunt and Uncle who may want all of that power for themselves.


  21. 21 | February 10, 2012 12:38 pm

    @ John Difool:

    Yup and China gave the OK!


  22. 22 | February 10, 2012 12:38 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    Hey your posts are not sticking?


  23. citizen_q
    23 | February 10, 2012 12:39 pm

    One more quick O/T post before I have to step away to do a quick lunch time errand.

    At first, I thought Bill Murray was being sensible, unusual enough for a hollywood type, so I scan the article:

    Actor Bill Murray to CNBC: ‘I think we ought to be personally responsible’

    “I think we ought to be personally responsible,” he said on CNBC’s “Squawk Box” Friday morning. “I think if you can take care of yourself, and then maybe try to take care of someone else, that’s sort of how you’re supposed to live.

    “It’s not a question of asking other people for help or being rescued or anything like that,” he continued. “I think we’ve sort of gotten used to someone looking out for us, and I don’t think any other person is necessarily going to be counted on to look out for us.

    Then he says this:

    “I think there’s only so many people that can take care of themselves, and can take care of other people. And the rest of the people … they’re useful in terms of compost for the whole planet, you know.”

    WTF? Is he channeling george bernard shaw?


  24. eaglesoars
    24 | February 10, 2012 12:40 pm

    Henry Wallace, VP under FDR and candidate for POTUS himself was an agent of the communist party

    I.F. Stone was a sovietspy


  25. Alberta Oil Peon
    25 | February 10, 2012 12:43 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    If true, would he become the Un-Kim? Or izzat ex-Kim?


  26. 26 | February 10, 2012 12:43 pm

    @ John Difool:
    @ Rodan:

    Teacher: “Barry, please use the word dictate in a sentence.”
    Barry: “HOW…MY…DIC-TATE!”


  27. lobo91
    27 | February 10, 2012 12:49 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Henry Wallace, VP under FDR and candidate for POTUS himself was an agent of the communist party

    I.F. Stone was a sovietspy

    Now, now…all that’s ancient history.

    Everone knows the communists (and their plans for world domination) all magically disappeared in 1991.
    //


  28. 28 | February 10, 2012 12:55 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    Dammit, now I’m hungry. Gee thanks Osprey! 8)


  29. The Osprey
    29 | February 10, 2012 1:10 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ The Osprey:

    Dammit, now I’m hungry. Gee thanks Osprey!

    There’s only one Nando’s in the US at this point, in DC. But you can get their Peri-Peri pepper sauce here apparently. I’ve seen it in Jamaican restaurants.

    They’re a Portuguese-Mozambican style chicken restaurant chain based in South Africa.


  30. 30 | February 10, 2012 1:14 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    They’re a Portuguese-Mozambican style chicken restaurant chain based in South Africa.

    Sounds yummy!


  31. 31 | February 10, 2012 1:16 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    I’m at work so that’s why I didn’t see your post!

    My Bad!


  32. 33 | February 10, 2012 1:17 pm

    @ Macker:

    I have to ask. Your new avatar. Is that WindUpBird? NTTAWWT… 8O


  33. Speranza
    34 | February 10, 2012 1:20 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    A liberal has never met a despot who’s cock they wouldn’t suck dry.

    Great imagery!


  34. Speranza
    35 | February 10, 2012 1:21 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Keith Olbermann supported Hizballah in the 2006 war.

    Olberdork is stuck on Current TV.


  35. John Difool
    36 | February 10, 2012 1:24 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    A liberal has never met a despot who’s cock they wouldn’t suck dry.

    Great imagery!

    Speaking of imagery, Madeline Albright and Kim Jong Il.

    Nancy Pelosi and Bashir Assad

    Jimmy Carter and whoever happens to be running Fatah and Hamas at any given time.

    Sorry for the visuals.


  36. 37 | February 10, 2012 1:25 pm

    @ John Difool:

    Charles Johnson and any Jihadi cause.


  37. eaglesoars
    38 | February 10, 2012 1:25 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Keith Olbermann supported Hizballah in the 2006 war.

    Olberdork is stuck on Current TV.

    see my #9


  38. John Difool
    39 | February 10, 2012 1:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Charles Johnson and any Jihadi cause.

    He won’t have far to walk waddle, isn’t there a mosque right across the street from him ?


  39. Lily
    40 | February 10, 2012 1:32 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Why does everydoy say ‘contraception’ but nobody says ‘abortion’?

    Didn’t get the memo…it isn’t pc and msm trying their best to soft pedal this. obamma really hit the wall with this one. I hope he keeps it up on other things…so America will finally see his un-American bias.


  40. Lily
    41 | February 10, 2012 1:33 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Macker:

    I have to ask. Your new avatar. Is that WindUpBird? NTTAWWT…

    Must be!!! Looks like a furrie costume! 8-)


  41. Lily
    42 | February 10, 2012 1:38 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    “I think there’s only so many people that can take care of themselves, and can take care of other people. And the rest of the people … they’re useful in terms of compost for the whole planet, you know.”

    This the new age thinking/green thinking…..that a lot of people must die so the planet and mankind can be okay. It is a sick logic.


  42. John Difool
    43 | February 10, 2012 1:40 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ citizen_q:

    “I think there’s only so many people that can take care of themselves, and can take care of other people. And the rest of the people … they’re useful in terms of compost for the whole planet, you know.”
    This the new age thinking/green thinking…..that a lot of people must die so the planet and mankind can be okay. It is a sick logic.

    Green Is The New Red !


  43. eaglesoars
    44 | February 10, 2012 1:41 pm

    Just landed in my inbox from Jonah Goldberg. He spent a little time at CPAC and sez:

    Having been to quite a few of these things, I can tell you that while enthusiasm to be there was high (it really is the ComicCon for right-wing political junkies), enthusiasm about things in general was pretty low. I didn’t see a single Romney sticker or button in the place. The Romney folks respond that that’s because Newt and Santorum had people working the place pressing stickers on anybody they could. Fair enough. But it tells you something that the Romney people didn’t feel like it was worth doing the same thing. It also tells you something that no Romney supporters thought to take up the slack on their own.

    That may change in the next day or two, but what I don’t think will change is the general attitude toward this field. Romney isn’t winning sufficient numbers of the GOP base. It’s really that simple. Whether they’re right or wrong in their animus toward Romney is almost immaterial at this point. The simple fact is the attitude is real, and I don’t think it’s going away. And that is a huge problem


  44. 45 | February 10, 2012 1:43 pm

    @ John Difool:

    He has an open Jihadist on his blog.


  45. Speranza
    46 | February 10, 2012 1:45 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Speaking of imagery, Madeline Albright and Kim Jong Il.

    Nancy Pelosi and Bashir Assad

    Jimmy Carter and whoever happens to be running Fatah and Hamas at any given time.

    Sorry for the visuals.

    Peter Jennings and Hanan Ashrawi.


  46. Lily
    47 | February 10, 2012 1:45 pm

    @ John Difool:

    That type of mentality has been around for awhile…first I saw of it was in New Age worship….and now in the AGW green worship. Same thing just under a different name. Both worship ‘mother earth’.


  47. 49 | February 10, 2012 1:46 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    He’s right. Many on the Right are demoralized.

    Think of this: its coming down to Mitt Romney who’s a Big Government Progressive vs. Rick Santorum who’s a Big Government Religious Progressive.

    Its a pathetic choice.


  48. 50 | February 10, 2012 1:46 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’ve been saying that for months now. YOu can’t win without your base. The key to winning Presidential elections is turn out your base in strength and then draw from the moderates/independants. If you can’t do the former, there aren’t enough of the latter to make up the difference. I’m not a fan of anybody who is left in the race, but I would vote for either Santorum of Gingrich with a much cleaner conscience than I would holding my nose and pulling the lever for McRomney.


  49. John Difool
    51 | February 10, 2012 1:47 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    Speaking of imagery, Madeline Albright and Kim Jong Il.
    Nancy Pelosi and Bashir Assad
    Jimmy Carter and whoever happens to be running Fatah and Hamas at any given time.
    Sorry for the visuals.
    Peter Jennings and Hanan Ashrawi.

    Mandrea Mitchell and Crispyanne Amenpoo.


  50. 52 | February 10, 2012 1:49 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    This shows you that the GOP is not a Conservative Party. It’s Progressive and just disagree with the Democrats on what the Nanny state should do.


  51. 53 | February 10, 2012 1:53 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Unfortunately, that is where the majority of the Electorate is. If you really ran on cutting Fedzilla down to only what its ennumerated Constitutional powers and duties were, you’d lose in a massive landslide. You or I would vote for that person, but we are the tiny minority.


  52. 54 | February 10, 2012 1:56 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I have come to that conclusion myself. The US is not a Center-Right nation. It’s a Progressive-Left/Nanny State Nation.

    We just have to live our lives. The wheel of history turns.


  53. citizen_q
    55 | February 10, 2012 1:56 pm

    Lily wrote:

    obamma really hit the wall with this one. I hope he keeps it up on other things…so America will finally see his un-American bias.

    Rush is calling this a great obama victory. Chairman obama’s “compromise” is to force the insurance companies to pay for women’s “reproductive services”. He created this crisis, and leveraged the public outrage to move another step closer to controlling healthcare.


  54. Bumr50
    56 | February 10, 2012 1:56 pm

    @ Rodan:
    @ Iron Fist:

    I hate Romney much more than I do Santorum.

    There is a difference, in that Romney is the establishment pick.

    That makes the difference for me.


  55. eaglesoars
    57 | February 10, 2012 1:57 pm

    Of course, it’s just a coinky-dink.

    Yesterday Obama announcesa BS deadbeat bailout for the housing market.

    Today Bernanke sez

    HOUSING MAY NO LONGER BE VIEWED AS SECURE INVESTMENT


  56. 58 | February 10, 2012 2:00 pm

    OT driveby–

    Live stream of the protest at CPAC. 100s of union marchers assembling.
    http://www.ustream.tv/occupiedair#utm_campaign=t.co&utm_source=10016873&utm_medium=social


  57. eaglesoars
    59 | February 10, 2012 2:00 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Chairman obama’s “compromise” is to force the insurance companies to pay for women’s “reproductive services”.

    And the churches still aren’t happy. They still have to purchase those insurance plans. Obama just shifted their wallet from one pocket to another.

    Not to mention that ALL our premiums will go up

    This isn’t over


  58. eaglesoars
    60 | February 10, 2012 2:02 pm

    Bunk X wrote:

    OT driveby–

    Live stream of the protest at CPAC. 100s of union marchers assembling.
    http://www.ustream.tv/occupiedair#utm_campaign=t.co&utm_source=10016873&utm_medium=social

    looks like they’re just getting started – getting off metro


  59. citizen_q
    61 | February 10, 2012 2:02 pm

    Lily wrote:

    This the new age thinking/green thinking…..that a lot of people must die so the planet and mankind can be okay. It is a sick logic.

    This line of reasoning lead to the einsatzgruppen and gas chambers in germany, not to mention stalin and mao’s mass murder.


  60. 62 | February 10, 2012 2:03 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Damn, Bernanke isn’t the brightest bulb in the candlabra, is he? I could have told him that. My house, if we finally close on the 21st, has cost me a boatload of money. Way worse an investment than buying a new car, when you look at how much I’ve had to fork over to get rid of the damned thing. It’ll take me five years to recover from it, economically, and I realize that I am not anywhere near as bad off as a lot of people are. Houses are a lousy investment. People have to live somewhere, but damn I wouldn’t want to own rental property. Apartments may make some return on investment, but houses are crap in most markets.


  61. citizen_q
    63 | February 10, 2012 2:03 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    This isn’t over

    I should hope not.


  62. Lily
    64 | February 10, 2012 2:03 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Really?? I don’t see it that way…..some say it isn’t much of a compromise either. He started it and now the blow-back is hitting him in the face…so he compromises on something he created and it is a victory for him? Arrgghhhh.


  63. John Difool
    65 | February 10, 2012 2:04 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Unfortunately, that is where the majority of the Electorate is. If you really ran on cutting Fedzilla down to only what its ennumerated Constitutional powers and duties were, you’d lose in a massive landslide. You or I would vote for that person, but we are the tiny minority.

    Yep, unfortunately we’re the 2 percenters. I read somewhere that the folks actively engaged online in sport-politics is around 5% of the population both conservative and liberal combined. That’s about 15-20 million people and if you look at mega-sites like Kos , Huffpo and Politico, the 2% claim I just made may be a stretch.

    Everything to us seems crucial and imperative, a very sense of urgency….life or death for the Republic. The vast overwhelming majority still get their news from the dino-media, even self-identified conservatives which is why crap like McCain and Romney keep getting pushed down our throats. Even FOX and Drudge are shilling for Romney.


  64. Lily
    66 | February 10, 2012 2:05 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    This the new age thinking/green thinking…..that a lot of people must die so the planet and mankind can be okay. It is a sick logic.

    This line of reasoning lead to the einsatzgruppen and gas chambers in germany, not to mention stalin and mao’s mass murder.

    Exactly…evil. Changing shapes all the time.


  65. eaglesoars
    67 | February 10, 2012 2:05 pm

    Lily wrote:

    so he compromises

    He didn’t compromise – he just shifted the nut from one shell to another


  66. 68 | February 10, 2012 2:06 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    I hate Romney and Santorum equally. They represent everything I despise about today’s GOP.


  67. 70 | February 10, 2012 2:06 pm

    @ Lily:

    Pol Pot was the ultimate Greenie.


  68. CynicalConservative
    71 | February 10, 2012 2:06 pm

    @ Bunk X:
    was wondering when their schtick was going to start.

    /lurk


  69. Lily
    72 | February 10, 2012 2:07 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:

    Chairman obama’s “compromise” is to force the insurance companies to pay for women’s “reproductive services”.

    And the churches still aren’t happy. They still have to purchase those insurance plans. Obama just shifted their wallet from one pocket to another.

    Not to mention that ALL our premiums will go up

    This isn’t over

    Excatly. Like I said it isn’t much of a compromise….at least to the Church. They are still not backing down on this.


  70. eaglesoars
    73 | February 10, 2012 2:07 pm

    Isn’t Urban Infidel at CPAC? If anybody has her email, let her know the OWS/Union crowd has just arrived – head to the metro to pick them up


  71. waldensianspirit
    74 | February 10, 2012 2:07 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    That’s lowering the unemployment percentage


  72. John Difool
    75 | February 10, 2012 2:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Pol Pot was the ultimate Greenie.

    Yep, those few million corpses made excellent fertilizer for the fields.


  73. 76 | February 10, 2012 2:08 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    My fault. That’s a tape from earlier. They’re on lunch break now, scheduled to start up again at 5PM EST.


  74. eaglesoars
    77 | February 10, 2012 2:08 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Bunk X:
    @ eaglesoars:

    Unions Pay People $60 Each To Act As “Protesters” At Occupy CPAC Event…

    I bet it’s tax deductable too


  75. Lily
    78 | February 10, 2012 2:08 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    so he compromises

    He didn’t compromise – he just shifted the nut from one shell to another

    Yep. But all you see in the headlines is ‘obamma compromises’….the Church doesn’t see it as a ‘compromise’.


  76. 79 | February 10, 2012 2:09 pm

    @ John Difool:

    That’s why there’s no point at getting angry anymore. The US is a Progressive-Left nation. We are the minority. If The GOP and Democratic Parties want to destroy this nation and voters want to enable them, there’s nothing I can do.

    Just enjoy life, which sucks right now. No Football!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    :evil:


  77. eaglesoars
    80 | February 10, 2012 2:09 pm

    Bunk X wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    My fault. That’s a tape from earlier. They’re on lunch break now, scheduled to start up again at 5PM EST.

    THREE HOUR LUNCH BREAK!!??

    shiiite


  78. 81 | February 10, 2012 2:09 pm

    @ Bunk X:
    http://www.ustream.tv/timcast


  79. citizen_q
    82 | February 10, 2012 2:09 pm

    @ Lily:
    That is the way I see it. By executive order he is forcing insurance companies to provide a coverage their customer may not want and doesn’t have to explicitly pay for. However, as eaglesoars noted the insurance companies will have raise everyone’s rates to cover the cost.

    It is the same thing that happens with with raising hospital rates. Some of that is to cover costs for the care of indigents.


  80. 83 | February 10, 2012 2:09 pm

    Bunk X wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    My fault. That’s a tape from earlier. They’re on lunch break now, scheduled to start up again at 5PM EST.

    :lol:


  81. Lily
    84 | February 10, 2012 2:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Pol Pot was the ultimate Greenie.

    The thought of anyone supporting any murderous, evil dictator or ideology shows just what their moral compass is.


  82. Alberta Oil Peon
    85 | February 10, 2012 2:13 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    They need a long lunch break because they have to take the streetcar down to their ‘hood and meet their crack connection.


  83. eaglesoars
    86 | February 10, 2012 2:16 pm

    well, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry

    The Federation of Greek Police have accused EU/IMF officials, in a formal letter, of “…blackmail, covertly abolishing or eroding democracy and national sovereignty”.

    Oh honey, there was nothing covert about it


  84. eaglesoars
    87 | February 10, 2012 2:16 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    They need a long lunch break because they have to take the streetcar down to their ‘hood and meet their crack connection.

    Then they’re in deep kimchee.

    DC doesn’t have streetcars


  85. Alberta Oil Peon
    88 | February 10, 2012 2:19 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    Well, what’s the Metro, then? Is it entirely underground?


  86. John Difool
    89 | February 10, 2012 2:22 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Well, what’s the Metro, then? Is it entirely underground?

    In D.C. proper it is, when it gets out to the Va. and Maryland burbs it’s either elevated or on regular train lines.


  87. 90 | February 10, 2012 2:24 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    DC had streetcars when I was a kid, though.


  88. 91 | February 10, 2012 2:27 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Protesters at Friday’s “Occupy CPAC” event, organized by AFL-CIO and the Occupy DC movement, told The Daily Caller that they were paid “sixty bucks a head” to protest outside the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, D.C.

    One protester told TheDC that all the “Occupy” activists were being paid to protest, and that his union, Sheet Metal Workers Local 100, approached him about the money-making opportunity.

    “I have nothing nice to say about Local 100. … They just told me ‘you wanna make sixty bucks? So c’mon,’” the protester said.

    Other “Occupy CPAC” protesters were unwilling to speak on camera because they were unaware what they were protesting and what the CPAC event was about.

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/10/occupy-cpac-protesters-paid-60-for-the-day/#ixzz1m0bhRd6b


  89. John Difool
    92 | February 10, 2012 2:29 pm

    @ Bunk X:

    astro-derp


  90. citizen_q
    93 | February 10, 2012 2:29 pm

    Hey obama! How’s your a-rab spring?

    Libya Struggles to Curb Militias as Chaos Grows

    TRIPOLI, Libya — As the militiamen saw it, they had the best of intentions. They assaulted another militia at a seaside base here this week to rescue a woman who had been abducted. When the guns fell silent, briefly, the scene that unfolded felt as chaotic as Libya’s revolution these days — a government whose authority extends no further than its offices, militias whose swagger comes from guns far too plentiful and residents whose patience fades with every volley of gunfire that cracks at night.

    The woman was soon freed. The base was theirs. And the plunder began.

    “Nothing gets taken out!” shouted one of the militiamen, trying to enforce order.

    It did anyway: a box of grenades, rusted heavy machine guns, ammunition belts, grenade launchers, crates of bottled water and an aquarium propped improbably on a moped. Men from a half-dozen militias ferried out the goods, occasionally firing into the air. They fought over looted cars, then shot them up when they did not get their way.

    “This is destruction!” complained Nouri Ftais, a 51-year-old commander, who offered a rare, unheeded voice of reason. “We’re destroying Libya with our bare hands.”

    The country that witnessed the Arab world’s most sweeping revolution is foundering. So is its capital, where a semblance of normality has returned after the chaotic days of the fall of Tripoli last August. But no one would consider a city ordinary where militiamen tortured to death an urbane former diplomat two weeks ago, where hundreds of refugees deemed loyal to Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi waited hopelessly in a camp and where a government official acknowledged that “freedom is a problem.” Much about the scene on Wednesday was lamentable, perhaps because the discord was so commonplace.

    From the NY Slimes no less.


  91. 94 | February 10, 2012 2:32 pm

    @ Bunk X:


  92. 95 | February 10, 2012 2:33 pm

    @ John Difool:
    The short video at Daily Caller is funny. I tried to embed it, no dice.


  93. 96 | February 10, 2012 2:34 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    They are Union workers, after all… :P


  94. Alberta Oil Peon
    97 | February 10, 2012 2:34 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    Well, that’s certainly unexpected, isn’t it? ///


  95. John Difool
    98 | February 10, 2012 2:34 pm

    @ Bunk X:

    Saw it earlier over at WZ and yea it’s hilarious.


  96. 99 | February 10, 2012 2:37 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    At one point in time, the Greeks would fight and die for their freedom and soverignty. That was about 2500 years ago (479 BC), but they kicked Persia’s ass!


  97. 100 | February 10, 2012 2:40 pm

    @ John Difool:
    The protester is trying hard not to grin.


  98. 101 | February 10, 2012 2:41 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    It’s the Chicka-Roma mascot from US Marshals.


  99. 102 | February 10, 2012 2:41 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    “This is destruction!” complained Nouri Ftais, a 51-year-old commander, who offered a rare, unheeded voice of reason. “We’re destroying Libya with our bare hands.”

    Smell that? That’s Arab Spring®!


  100. 103 | February 10, 2012 2:44 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    “This is destruction!” complained Nouri Ftais, a 51-year-old commander, who offered a rare, unheeded voice of reason. “We’re destroying Libya with our bare hands.”

    No you imbecile, this is Islam, this is what the true face of Islam has always looked like, it is the true soul and heart of Islam, it is what Allah will’s for you.


  101. citizen_q
    104 | February 10, 2012 2:45 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    IF, my local news was reporting a face-palm worthy story yesterday that I thought you would appreciate knowing your interest in knives.

    They reported that someone was stopped trying to board a plane with a machete and 2 throwing knives. Did not catch which airport, could’ve been Regan, Dulles, or BWI, but get this, the picture they showed along with the story was for a Kukuri and its 2 accessory knives. I guess the accessory knives were supposed to be the throwing knives.

    I know they were simply parroting what TSA must have told them, but wow. I toyed the idea of writing a complaint for their insult to Nepalese culture.


  102. citizen_q
    105 | February 10, 2012 2:47 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    “We’re destroying Libya with our bare hands.”

    @ doriangrey:
    What doesn’t get destroyed by islam?

    I am amused by his sense of surprise.


  103. 106 | February 10, 2012 2:48 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Wow! I don’t know which is stupider. The guy trying to carry it on a plane, ot the TSA for mis-identifying it. I guess it could be worse. He could have gotten it on the plane and cut somebody’s head off with it. Then we’d be hearing about laws to restrict dangerous “Assault” knives… :roll:


  104. eaglesoars
    107 | February 10, 2012 2:51 pm

    *snort*

    Audio: Southern Baptist Convention President Rejects Obama’s Contraceptive ‘Accommodation,’ Calls it ‘Lipstick on a Pig’


  105. John Difool
    108 | February 10, 2012 2:55 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    “We’re destroying Libya with our bare hands.”
    @ doriangrey:
    What doesn’t get destroyed by islam?
    I am amused by his sense of surprise.

    Bare hands, he says? I was under the impression they had shitloads of rockets and Kalashnikov’s but bare hands should go along well with their 5th century religion then .


  106. Lily
    109 | February 10, 2012 2:56 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    For some reason they are leaving the fact out that those insurance company’s will be forced to fund abortions too.
    /so the media can keep on spinning the fact that Catholic’s use birth control.
    So obamma is saying to the Church’s he is their god now???


  107. 110 | February 10, 2012 2:57 pm

    On the original topic.

    Evan Sayet has an excellent speech on why this phenomenon occurs. What it boils down to is our old friend Moral Equivalency, all dressed up and parading around as actual thought.


  108. 111 | February 10, 2012 2:57 pm

    @ John Difool:

    That is what they wipe their ass with!


  109. eaglesoars
    112 | February 10, 2012 2:58 pm

    Bryan Preston nails it

    The “accommodation” announced today does little more than introduce dishonesty to the administration’s use of force to violate faith. This “accomodation” was pre-approved by the likes of Planned Parenthood, which approved of the ghastly policy in the first place and stands to make money from the decision, but was not discussed with the very church leaders who objected to it for fundamental reasons ahead of time. That says much about how much the administration was actually willing to bend: Not an inch. The president insists that the coverage will be “free of charge,” which is absurd. Someone will pay for this. That someone will be everyone, including the very religious institutions betrayed by the original decision. Insurance companies will factor the costs of the services into their prices. This is basic economics.

    This is where ObamaCare has brought this country. The bill we had to pass in order to find out what was in it, now has the administration directly lying to the people in pursuit of its “core principle,” which is making abortion as widely available as possible and paid for by everyone. That is the administration’s “core principle,” and as evidenced by today’s phony “accommodation,” this president will let nothing including the freedom of conscience stand in his way.


  110. eaglesoars
    113 | February 10, 2012 3:00 pm

    Lily wrote:

    So obamma is saying to the Church’s he is their god now???

    He’s being saying that since he said “WE are the ones we’ve been waiting for”

    The 2nd coming turns out to be the collective


  111. Lily
    114 | February 10, 2012 3:01 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Like I said in my last post…obamma is telling the Churches he is there god now. This will be an epic battle.


  112. 115 | February 10, 2012 3:02 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    in pursuit of its “core principle,” which is making abortion as widely available as possible and paid for by everyone

    Public funding of abortion is the Holy Grail for the abortionists. An endless stream of revenue. This is, in the end, all about money. Big Abortion is a multi-billion dollar a year business, and Obama and the Democrats are in their hind pocket. They’ll do anything to maximize the profits of Big Abortion.


  113. citizen_q
    116 | February 10, 2012 3:03 pm

    Lily wrote:

    So obamma is saying to the Church’s he is their god now???

    Almost, he is diety to all of us in his own mind. All hail Pharaoh obama!

    /


  114. Lily
    117 | February 10, 2012 3:05 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Not only that but the tearing down of morals ….the attack on the Christian Churches…dividing America even more. This is pure evil.


  115. Lily
    118 | February 10, 2012 3:08 pm

    @ Lily:

    It is more than just about money.


  116. John Difool
    119 | February 10, 2012 3:10 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    So obamma is saying to the Church’s he is their god now???
    Almost, he is diety to all of us in his own mind. All hail Pharaoh obama!
    /

    Obama is a Fairy-O


  117. eaglesoars
    120 | February 10, 2012 3:12 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    This is, in the end, all about money

    I don’t think so. Totalitarianism is never just about money.

    It’s about a mis-apprehension of human nature, that’s it’s infinitely plastic and malleable.

    And they’re just the ones to do the molding.


  118. 121 | February 10, 2012 3:13 pm

    @ Lily:

    Oh, I’ve always said Obama was evil. I am simply using the Left’s constant tirades against “Big” Fill-In-The-Blank against them. They are shills for Big Abortion, and there is a lot of money to be made in disposing of unwanted children. It isn’t just about money, but don’t kid yourself. Planned Parenthood’s operating budget would collapse without sufficient number of abortions every year (I think the number is something like 300,000). If it were anything else, it would be equated to Dachau or Auschwitz. Thise numbers should trouble all right thinking people, no matter where they fall on abortion’s legality.


  119. eaglesoars
    122 | February 10, 2012 3:15 pm

    A caller into Chris Plante’s show today made a good point (paraphrasing).

    If having a ‘right’ to birth control and abortion means I have to pay for it, then guess what? I have a right to bear arms. Start buying my ammo.


  120. 123 | February 10, 2012 3:17 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Ammo, hell! I want an M-249 SAW, as is my right! I damn sure can’t afford one of my own. Hell, Fedzilla won’t even let them be made available to civillians for any price. That needs to change.


  121. eaglesoars
    124 | February 10, 2012 3:18 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    Ammo, hell! I want an M-249 SAW, as is my right! I damn sure can’t afford one of my own. Hell, Fedzilla won’t even let them be made available to civillians for any price. That needs to change.

    SING IT!


  122. Prebanned
    125 | February 10, 2012 3:20 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Hey obama! How’s your a-rab spring?

    Libya Struggles to Curb Militias as Chaos Grows

    Will end up like Somalia until a murderous dictater comes along.


  123. Lily
    126 | February 10, 2012 3:21 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The number of abortions SHOULD disturb people….how many Saint’s have been killed? How many brilliant scientists have been torn from the womb? How many people who would have made a huge contribution’s to the world have been flicked away by the abortionist’s knife?
    This is what people should ask themselves.


  124. eaglesoars
    127 | February 10, 2012 3:21 pm

    new thread


  125. citizen_q
    128 | February 10, 2012 3:22 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I have a right to bear arms. Start buying my ammo.

    Trouble is obama and the other progressive leftist totaltarians don’t believe that you do. The Constitution is only observed by them for easy legitimacy when it can be used as a lever to their own power and policies.

    Armed citizens are not yet fully slaves.


  126. 129 | February 10, 2012 3:26 pm

    @ Lily:

    50 million since Roe v. Wade, more or less. The number is staggering. I’m all for contraception (though people can buy their own. I don’t see forcing the Catholics to pay for it), as good birth control will lead to fewer abortions. But the numbers are damning. That is on par with Stalinist Russia or Maoist China. Of course, we don’t know the abortion numbers from China’s One Child policy (that Biden thought was just swell). Millions of girls aborted for the crime of being female. Damn right, it is a woman’s rights issue. Just not the way the Left is playing it.


  127. citizen_q
    130 | February 10, 2012 3:26 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    The number of abortions SHOULD disturb people….how many Saint’s have been killed? How many brilliant scientists have been torn from the womb? How many people who would have made a huge contribution’s to the world have been flicked away by the abortionist’s knife?
    This is what people should ask themselves.

    Personally I wonder why the race hustlers don’t take issue with the appalling numbers for the black community? They are pretty good on shaking down businesses with statistics. What about half of all black pregnancies ending in abortion?


  128. Lily
    131 | February 10, 2012 3:29 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Another reason to tack on.


  129. 132 | February 10, 2012 3:29 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    That is just a choice! Margaret Sanger would be so thrilled! In her world-view, every black aborted is one less to worry about. She was a very evil woman.


  130. Lily
    133 | February 10, 2012 3:31 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Let’s not forget the damage done to the psyche of women who get them.
    Abortion should NEVER be used as birth control.


  131. citizen_q
    134 | February 10, 2012 3:32 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    She was a very evil woman

    agreed


  132. Speranza
    135 | February 10, 2012 4:20 pm

    Lily wrote:

    So obamma is saying to the Church’s he is their god now???

    He is The One after all.


  133. coldwarrior
    136 | February 11, 2012 12:16 am

    ok, why were my comments that were negative against this writer and some of the ideas therein deleted.

    seriously.

    i am one of the three who PAY to keep this joint running and i got deleted????

    there will be hell to pay on this.
    ….


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