For those of us fortunate enough to have been born in the United States the issue of freedom of religion and freedom from unjust governmental intrusion into our religious beliefs has been a forgone conclusion. Our nation was founded by people fleeing religious persecution. Freedom of religion is the cornerstone of our Constitution and national identity. King Obama The Worst (and hopefully The Last) would like to put an end to all of that nonsense by declaring all out war on the Catholic Church specifically and the First Amendment generally with his mandate of “free” contraception and abortion. Mark Steyn sees the similarity between King Obama and King Henry VIII.
The president of the United States has decided to go Henry VIII on the Church’s medieval ass. Whatever religious institutions might profess to believe in the matter of “women’s health,” their pre-eminences, jurisdictions, privileges, authorities and immunities are now subordinate to a one-and-only supreme head on earth determined to repress, redress, restrain and amend their heresies. One wouldn’t wish to overextend the analogy: For one thing, the Catholic Church in America has been pathetically accommodating of Beltway bigwigs’ ravenous appetite for marital annulments in a way that Pope Clement VII was disinclined to be vis-� -vis the English king and Catherine of Aragon. But where’d all the pandering get them? In essence, President Obama has embarked on the same usurpation of church authority as Henry VIII: as his Friday morning faux-compromise confirms, the continued existence of a “faith-based institution” depends on submission to the doctrinal supremacy of the state.
“We will soon learn,” wrote Dr. Albert Mohler of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, “just how much faith is left in faith-based institutions.” Kathleen Sebelius, Obama’s vicar on earth, has sportingly offered to maintain religious liberty for those institutions engaged in explicit religious instruction to a largely believing clientele. So we’re not talking about mandatory condom dispensers next to the pulpit at St. Pat’s – not yet. But that is not what it means to be a Christian: The mission of a Catholic hospital is to minister to the sick. When a guy shows up in Emergency, bleeding all over the floor, the nurse does not first establish whether he is Episcopalian or Muslim; when an indigent is in line at the soup kitchen the volunteer does not pause the ladle until she has determined whether he is a card-carrying Papist. The government has redefined religion as equivalent to your Sunday best: You can take it out for an hour to go to church, but you gotta mothball it in the closet the rest of the week. So Catholic institutions cannot comply with Commissar Sebelius and still be in any meaningful sense Catholic.
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First, my sympathy for the Catholic Church’s predicament is somewhat attenuated by the fact that the Bishops supported Obamacare for the rest of us – an unconsitutional usurpation of our rights as citizens. They laid down with the dog and are now suprised they’re being bitten by fleas.
Obama is right about people like me. We are the enemy.
I will rally to the religious freedom seekers, even tho they did not rally to me.
The unions thought they had a friend. See Keystone Pipeline.
on and on.
The religious institutions are targeted first for one reason. The social cohesion and services they provide. Obama will not stand for any competition for the gov’t to play that role.
Not far down the road – parents and families. There is a reason they’re going after food in schools
The comments on that site are fascinating.
I particularly like this one:
Someone really ought to explain to this woman that the Catholic Church is not a democracy.
There is already someone charged with the responsibility of making those “judgment calls,” and it’s not Barack Obama. It’s the Pope.
@ lobo91:
No one’s stopping these “Catholics” from breaking away and starting their own church.
Sigh… No, it wasn’t. The Plymouth Colony was neither the first English settlement in the New World, not the first successful one. And most coming to what is now the US came for economic reasons – to make a buck (or a pound.) Slaves and sentenced crimminals excluded, of course.
Bumr50 wrote:
No kidding…
Bumr50 wrote:
Ummm…isn’t that what the Episcopalians did?
@ Bumr50:
I wonder what they’ll get the government to dictate to the Church next?
Gay marriage? Women as priests?
I was raised Catholic and am fairly a non-practicing Christian now. Wasn’t my upbringing or anything that brought me around to that way of thinking….. it’s just that the way i see it my Lord and saviour is always with me, and if that’s the case, wherever I plant my feet …well that is his church.
I broke away from organized religion as soon as I saw my prayers were being answered even though I wasn’t bowing down in a pew every Sunday.
If the Lord is in your heart, your heart is the only church that matters.
@ John Difool:
Of course, the reverse is true, as well.
If you have the kind of evil in your heart that Obama does, it doesn’t matter what kind of “church” you pretend to attend every Sunday.
lobo91 wrote:
True, but this argument I’m pretty sure was covered in the Star Wars Trilogies concerning both the Darkside of the force and the Jedi.
Mike C. wrote:
I suppose it depends on what and where you were taught. I was taught in an old fashioned 2-room school (that had grades 1-4) in SW Pennsylvania. I was taught that the Pilgrims were some of the first founders of this country and that they came here to escape religious persecution. No biggy. There were plenty of other founders with plenty of different reasons for coming here. Feel free to quibble.
@ 2 lobo91: that woman seems clueless about her religion. She could work a little harder and actually try to comprehend what being a Catholic requires of a sinner or find a church that suits her shallow behaviors
@ 4 Mike C.: The history I read was ripe with stories of people fleeing religious and economic depression and looking for a new world. Pretty brave in those days. Religion played a huge roll.
The Administration is now saying that Insurance
Companies will be pleased to provide contraceptives
to women free, because it is cheaper than a pregnancy.
If this is actually logic , why aren’t all meds free?
Secularism is a modern religion for the disaffected. They assume the cap and gowns of a regular religion and do their worship service through government agencies and committees. In those place they blur the separation of church and state and work to assume the traditional roles of the religious institutions. It’s any kind of pubic service or outreach effort. The poor, the hungry, the depraved. Anyone with a lack is being tended and mended to and set on the proper path in life. With no faith but faith in NGO. NGO is the new God. And their reach is expanding via OBama as he puts more and more people into a crisis life situation.
Ann Barnhardt weighs in on the subject:
The so-called Obama Compromise on contraception, sterilization, and abortifacient coverage is pure, dripping, sulfuric evil from the pit of hell. And anyone who can’t see it is either a Marxist who is in league with the devil himself, or is stupid to the point of being unfit to walk the streets without direct supervision. Like I said, let the great and terrible sifting of men begin.
Obama said this morning that insurance coverage provided by religious institutions who object to BABY KILLING will simply call the BABY KILLING coverage “free”, as in provided “gratis” by the insurance company itself, but still included in the coverage.
HOW FRICKING STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO NOT SEE THAT THIS IS A STONE-COLD CON, AND A STUPID CON AT THAT?
Nothing is free. The only people who think that there is “free” anything are slackjawed, mouth-breathing imbeciles and those who are in league with satan. An insurance policy that doesn’t cover contraception, sterilization and abortifacients (with zero copay, too, don’t forget) costs, let’s say $200 per month. Add the BABY KILLING ASPECTS outlined above and the cost is, let’s say, $220 per month. Obama is saying that the religious organizations will still pay the $220 but lie to themselves and to God and claim that the $220 doesn’t cover BABY KILLING, the women will still get their BABY KILLING coverage with zero copay, and the insurance company will just say, “yeah, we threw that in for free”.
HOW STUPID, HOW STUPID, HOW STUPID do you have to be to fall for this abject BULLSHIT?
So now, not only does Obama demand that the Church pay for BABY KILLING, but now Obama is saying that the Church has to break the Eighth Commandment by LYING to itself, to those it provides insurance for, to the citizens of the United States, to the entire world, and to God Himself and claim that they aren’t REALLY providing BABY KILLING coverage.
Barack Obama and his regime are a collective anti-christ from the pit of hell itself. You priests and bishops need to wake the hell up and get this through your thick skulls. YOU DON’T COMPROMISE WITH EVIL. You don’t DIALOG WITH SATAN. YOU DON’T PLAY POLITICS AND NEGOTIATE WITH A DEMON. You hoist the banner of Christ, fix your bayonet and charge that son of a bitch with every ounce of strength you have, and then you fight until either the enemy is totally defeated, or you are dead. That’s your choice, gentlemen. That’s your VOCATION. The war is begun. You either fight OR SHUT UP AND GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY, and then beg God to have mercy on your pathetic, faithless, cowardly ass whilst others take up your slack and die in your stead.
These meds are not “free” , they did not grow on a
pharma bush, insurance companies have to pay for
the meds.
Catholic organiztions that are fully insured are large
enough tio be experience rated. The cost ofmeds will
be added to their experiece, ergo the Church will pay.
If the entity is self insured with claims paid by a third
party administrator, there is no insurance company.
I am sure that the TPA will be forced to pay, but that
will also be passed off to the church, just rolled into
their monthly rates.
@ huckfunn:
I wasn’t quibbling. It’s an absolute statement that is absolutely false.
@ yenta-fada:
Ann is always so subtle
Mike C. wrote:
That’s absolutely your opinion. You obviously learned your history differently.
BTW, you get a gig, yet?
Totally different context, but here’s a great scene from a great movie about Henry II versus the Church:
I don’t know why this took so long
ThinkProgress Says Stopping “Global Warming” Reason Obama Should Enforce Contraception Mandate, “Fundamental Component Of Climate Survival”…
eaglesoars wrote:
Utterly bizarre! But how ’bout this? Democrat Congresswoman Gwendolynne Moore: Pregnancy is a disease and a danger to the family… WTF?
huckfunn wrote:
I heard about that yesterday!!
I wonder how many kids she has
eaglesoars wrote:
At least 2, but no mention of ever being married
@ eaglesoars:
forgot the link
eaglesoars wrote:
When she said “pregnancy is a disease and a danger to the family”, maybe she was referring to her own personal circumstance.
@ huckfunn:
Well, it’s not just my opinion that when the Plymouth Colony was first started, Jamestown had been running 14 years as a commercial enterprise. That’s just history.
Nope, no gig yet. Irritating…
huckfunn wrote:
I’d like to hear that conversation. “mom, where do babies come from?”
“Honey, babies are the result of a disease their mommies catch. Sometimes mommies have to kill them to get better”
Mike C. wrote:
I don’t dispute that. However, the folks who founded Jamestown were not the sole founders of this country. Again, I think one’s perspective is based upon how and where they learned their history. There is no question that religious separatists founded Plymouth Colony. Those people were clearly in the forefront of the founding of this nation.
I love it….because Hussein just lost a few million Catholic votes, maybe enough to swing an election.
@ Mike C.:
Bullshit Mike C. This is the same anti-religious crap you peddled at LGF. You and Charles Johnson are birds of a feather on this subject. I will not relate each detail of the establishment of each colony or go back to the argument that the Vikings were in America hundreds of years before Columbus. The truth of the matter is this country has a major thread in its founding of religious liberty. Most of our Ivy League colleges were founded as religious (Christian) institutions, and because of the thinking of men like you have long been perverted to bastions of secular-humanism and liberal fascism.
Throw away the foundations of a Judeo-Christian moral foundation and you have Obama’s America. Even De Tocqueville recognized that this is what distinguished America beyond all nations, and was unique in our revolution and founding. The body of literature and thought is overwhelming in this regards to argue otherwise is simply to reveal your own prejudice informed by historical ignorance. I would love to stay and debate but have to be somewhere tonight.
This whole thing is an implicit subsidy of women by men. How else can women be independent but by taking more money from men at the point of the government’s gun?
randian wrote:
Are you saying there are no women taxpayers? You are spouting nonsense. You are also saying that men don’t feel partially responsible for pregnancies. You manage to trash women and men. Nice job Ronbot.
@ Jehu:
And you’re still the same asshole with a severe reading comprehension problem that you were back at LGF. I addressed one particular point, and your rant drags in things I never commented on.
It’s a simple historical fact that the first successful English colony in what is now the US was Jamestown, authorized under a Royal Charter from James I of England (AKA James VI of Scotland) issued to the London Company, who’s motivation was to make money. And they spent a lot of time and effort working at that. The first industrial exports from what is now the US to Europe was glassware made in Jamestown. John Rolfe brought tobacco seeds from the Caribbean and established what became the very successful, export-driven tobacco industry, centered in the Virginia colony. I did not even remotely address the role of religion in the evolution of what is now the US, merely the the common mis-perception that America was founded in 1621 at Plymouth – it wasn’t.
Go peddle your strawman rants to somebody else.
Jamestown
@ huckfunn:
Wisconsin is being represented in Congress by troll dolls? Who knew?
@ lobo91:
The Vatican “church” is a corrupt, anti-Christian organisation full of the blood of its millions of victims. It is full of child abusing priests and a pope in Rome who covers it up as much as possible. It is a worse threat to world freedom than anything on earth.
@ southwood:
I wouldn’t even know where to begin, that is so
over the top.
@ southwood:
That crap doesn’t cut it around here. Piss off.
@ huckfunn:
Good on ya.
@ RIX:
I don’t know who that dirt bag was. Not often that I think a comment should be deleted, but that would be one of ‘em. However, it’s not my call.
Got this off the Mark Levin show tonight.
On Obama and the Catholic Church deal.
http://www.foramerica.org/
Looks like they have got it going and others joining in.
huckfunn wrote:
i’ll let that comment stay up. i prefer that even bad ideas get exposed to the light of day. there is no direct ad hominem attack or vulgarity. it is an opinion i suppose…so for now i see no reason to delete it.
The Catholic church will win. My parish priest will be talking about Pope Paul VI’s encyclical Humanae Vitae next week. He wrote itin 1968 and it was quite prescient about the consequences of abortion and birth control. In particular, he mentioned that men would see women as chattel. He was right of course. My priest also said that until the 1930′s all Christian denominations agreed that contraception is wrong. The Anglicans in 1930 were the first major denomination to approve contraception.
@ coldwarrior:
No surprise there! You censor me but let that cruel comment remain. Don’t bother addressing me again!
mtc wrote:
whatever.
@ southwood:
The Church is made up of believers. Christ is the head of the Church.
Human beings are not perfect, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
mtc wrote:
i censored you on a eulogy thread because you just couldn’t keep you damn trap shut just once about serbia. i didnt feel like watching that thread about a dead friend of mine turn into another slugging match
since you have zero manners or decorum, i had no choice. dont like it? too bad.
I don’ t believe Hitchens was your friend. Anyone can be anything on the Internet. So shut yer pie hole. Hotcoward!
Who you talking to?@ mtc:
So, your not sane, so what!@ southwood:
mtc wrote:
beleive what you want, i dont care. does name calling make you feel better, make you fell vindicated?
southwood wrote:
Your religion sucks.
taxfreekiller wrote:
mtc is Cold’s very own stalker troll. That critter follows him around every where he goes. Kinda like a tick but not as nice.
Follow me, find about ambushes.@ mtc:
huckfunn wrote:
lucky me!
@ coldwarrior:
I’m guessin you keep your lyme disease vacs current.
@ coldwarrior:
@ huckfunn:
She might start, Coldwarriorwatch!
Wrong theology, No,its NOT Obama, but NOR is it the “pope” either apropos to the contraceptive issue, but rather It is The Almighty God of Creation, who is the author of life, and the only one Authority thereof. Abortion in any form in the eyes of The LORD God,is “MURDER”, for at the very moment of conception, GOD knows that person in the womb !! Jeremiah 1:5 / Isaiah 49:1-5, READ IT, I say to all seeing that God knew the Prophets Jeremiah & Isaiah, and teaches us in HIS Word, that they even had names even before coming fourth out of the womb, It is thus true that God also Knew you and I, and knows all those “persons” there in the womb now and their “names” !!
HELLO !!