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Al-Qaeda declares war on Assad

by Rodan ( 112 Comments › )
Filed under Al Qaeda, Hezballah, Islam, Islamists, Muslim Brotherhood, Syria at February 13th, 2012 - 12:00 pm

I love it when Islamists go at it! In this case its the admitted secular regime of Bashar Assad vs. Al-Qaeda. During the Iraq war, Syria played footsie with AL-Qaeda. They allowed AL-Qaeda to establish safe havens and use Syrian territory to attack American soldiers in Iraq. Assad although himself very Secular as a minority Alawite, is allied with 12ther Shiite Iran and Hizballah. Now, an Islamic piss match is beginning in Syria. AL-Qaeda has declared war on the Assad regime and there ar reports, AL-Qaeda fighters are coming in from Iraq!

(AP)  BAGHDAD – Al Qaeda’s chief has called on Muslims from other countries to support rebels in Syria seeking to overthrow President Bashar Assad, saying they cannot depend on the West for help.

Ayman al-Zawahri, in a videotaped statement released late Saturday, asked Muslims in Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey to join the uprising against Assad’s “pernicious, cancerous regime.” All four states border Syria.

A senior Iraqi security official also told the Associated Press on Saturday that intelligence over the last four months has revealed a flow of al Qaeda-linked fighters from the northern Iraqi city of Mosul into Syria.

The comments by both the Iraqi official and al-Zawahri came a day after two suicide car bombers struck security compounds in Aleppo, a Syrian city that had been relatively peaceful throughout the country’s 11-month-uprising. Though there was no claim of responsibility, suicide bombings are a hallmark of al Qaeda.

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The Iraqi official said at least two Syrian suicide bombers who trained in Mosul have crossed the border to join the fight in Syria.

Fighters armed with guns and explosives also have headed from Iraq to Syria, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to publicly discuss intelligence.

I hope they kill each other and Syria collapses into anarchy.

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  1. Bumr50
    1 | February 13, 2012 12:02 pm

    I hope they kill each other and Syria collapses into anarchy.

    The “nation-builders” in our government will be all over it, “spreading democracy” with American blood.


  2. 2 | February 13, 2012 12:10 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    The “nation-builders” in our government will be all over it, “spreading democracy” with American blood.

    McCain is already calling for US intervention. The GOP Establishment will give Obama cover.

    Is there even an opposition Party in America?


  3. citizen_q
    3 | February 13, 2012 12:12 pm

    I hope they kill each other and Syria collapses into anarchy.

    Let the koranimals kill each other.

    Will this be a libya redux? Where we end up supporting al-qada and its allies?


  4. 4 | February 13, 2012 12:18 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    The difference was that in Libya, Qaddafi was our ally.. Assad is our enemy. SO is AL-Qaeda. I’m for staying out of it let them destroy each other.


  5. Prebanned
    5 | February 13, 2012 12:20 pm

    Somebody said al qaeda might be after the stuff Saddam hid there just before the war.
    Too bad nobody gives a crap that muslims line up artillary and shell civilians.
    Assad vs. Al-Qaeda, I don’t know which one will win but I bet the Syrian people lose!
    No wonder muslims hate us, life sucks for them.
    The big losers will be any non-muslims around.


  6. 6 | February 13, 2012 12:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    The difference was that in Libya, Qaddafi was our ally.. Assad is our enemy. SO is AL-Qaeda. I’m for staying out of it let them destroy each other.

    A strategy that Sun Tzu would approve of, now if we could find a way to arm the none Al-Qaeda Syrian rebels without it becoming know we were doing so, that would be the sweet sweet goodness…


  7. Prebanned
    7 | February 13, 2012 12:21 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    I hope they kill each other and Syria collapses into anarchy.
    The “nation-builders” in our government will be all over it, “spreading democracy” with American blood.

    Do we have to rebuild after a war we did not fight in?


  8. Prebanned
    8 | February 13, 2012 12:23 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    Arm the Christians in Lebanon?


  9. 9 | February 13, 2012 12:23 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    The Turks are arming the rebels.


  10. 10 | February 13, 2012 12:23 pm

    Prebanned wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:
    I hope they kill each other and Syria collapses into anarchy.
    The “nation-builders” in our government will be all over it, “spreading democracy” with American blood.
    Do we have to rebuild after a war we did not fight in?

    I still don’t understand why we have to rebuild in war we do fight in, doesn’t make any sense to destroy something then build it back up.


  11. 11 | February 13, 2012 12:24 pm

    Prebanned wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Arm the Christians in Lebanon?

    Damn good idea…


  12. 12 | February 13, 2012 12:24 pm

    @ Prebanned:

    This is the US you are talking about. Its against our foreign policy to arm Christians. The Saudi Puppets in our State Department will not approve!

    The Maronites are on their own.


  13. citizen_q
    13 | February 13, 2012 12:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I’m for staying out of it let them destroy each other.

    Same here.

    My only interest is in what inventive way they will blame it on the Jews.

    This is situation normal for muslims. Only time there is relative calm is when they are under the boot of a brutal tyrant. Let them sort it out amongst themselves, and it can be an object lesson in the meme that other than Israel the problems in the middle east are due to the US’s support of dictatorial regimes, when they are groaning under another dictator be “secular” or islamic.


  14. 14 | February 13, 2012 12:29 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Let them kill each other!


  15. 15 | February 13, 2012 12:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    Let them kill each other!

    Why let them kill each other when it is so much more fulfilling to help them kill each other???


  16. 16 | February 13, 2012 12:32 pm

    @ Prebanned:

    Muslims have no one but themselves to blame for the State of the Mohammedan world. Their evil faith destines them to despotism, and despotism and slavery are the cornerstones on which Islam is built. We had nothing to do with that, and despite our best efforts, the primitive nature of their religion/political ideology will win out. As we are seeing in Egypt and Libya. And Afghanistan, and Iraq. Iran, Pok-ee-ston, Indionesia…


  17. Bumr50
    17 | February 13, 2012 12:33 pm

    Isn’t al-Qaeda “declaring war” on anyone a bit redundant?

    Are they going to meet on a field in pitched combat or something?

    Hell no.

    They’re going to sneak into places and explode.


  18. 18 | February 13, 2012 12:36 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    They do have fighters. See Libya.


  19. Prebanned
    19 | February 13, 2012 12:37 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Prebanned wrote:
    Bumr50 wrote:
    I hope they kill each other and Syria collapses into anarchy.
    The “nation-builders” in our government will be all over it, “spreading democracy” with American blood.
    Do we have to rebuild after a war we did not fight in?
    I still don’t understand why we have to rebuild in war we do fight in, doesn’t make any sense to destroy something then build it back up.

    Me too, I was just trying to pin down the policy before changing it.


  20. Bumr50
    20 | February 13, 2012 12:40 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I know.

    I was making the observation that by “declaring war,” it assumes that they have some other purpose than making it.


  21. Prebanned
    21 | February 13, 2012 12:41 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Prebanned:
    This is the US you are talking about. Its against our foreign policy to arm Christians. The Saudi Puppets in our State Department will not approve!
    The Maronites are on their own.

    OK, lets clean house then start acting in our self interest, that includes drilling like mad.


  22. Prebanned
    22 | February 13, 2012 12:43 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    My only interest is in what inventive way they will blame it on the Jews.

    That is one of the very few parts of islam that have any entertainment value.


  23. 23 | February 13, 2012 12:43 pm

    Prebanned wrote:

    that includes drilling like mad.

    Won’t happen as long as Emperor Hussein is on the throne. His expressed position is to keep America dependant on foreign oil. He has gone so far as to pledge American tax money to help Brazil develop her oil resources while denying us the right to do the same.


  24. 24 | February 13, 2012 12:46 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    My only interest is in what inventive way they will blame it on the Jews.

    Probably by insisting the JOOOOOOS put something in their water which shrivels up their dicks!


  25. Moe Katz
    25 | February 13, 2012 12:46 pm

    Note that Al Qaeda’s Zawahri and Syria’s Assad are both specialist MD’s. They must be in cahoots….


  26. 26 | February 13, 2012 12:51 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    They were in Iraq. But like all Islamic thugs, they turned on each other.


  27. Prebanned
    27 | February 13, 2012 12:53 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Prebanned wrote:
    that includes drilling like mad.
    Won’t happen as long as Emperor Hussein is on the throne. His expressed position is to keep America dependant on foreign oil. He has gone so far as to pledge American tax money to help Brazil develop her oil resources while denying us the right to do the same.

    Fire President Obama, then drill like mad.


  28. Moe Katz
    28 | February 13, 2012 12:53 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    They were in Iraq. But like all Islamic thugs, they turned on each other.

    So much for professional courtesy….


  29. buzzsawmonkey
    29 | February 13, 2012 12:54 pm

    Al-Qaeda v. Assad? Great! Get me seats at the Armory this Saturday night so I can watch the fight!

    The West should do everything it can to push the Sambo Option: let the tigers chase each other around the tree until they turn to butter.


  30. 30 | February 13, 2012 12:55 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Moe Katz:
    They were in Iraq. But like all Islamic thugs, they turned on each other.

    So much for professional courtesy….

    ROTFLMAO…. “Professional and courtesy”, two western concepts that have never migrated to the Islamic world.


  31. RIX
    31 | February 13, 2012 12:55 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Note that Al Qaeda’s Zawahri and Syria’s Assad are both specialist MD’s. They must be in cahoots….

    Kind of like Doctor Mengele.


  32. waldensianspirit
    32 | February 13, 2012 12:56 pm

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/13/inside-media-matters-david-brocks-enemies-list/

    Hey why aren’t we on the list?


  33. Moe Katz
    33 | February 13, 2012 12:58 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:
    Note that Al Qaeda’s Zawahri and Syria’s Assad are both specialist MD’s. They must be in cahoots….

    Kind of like Doctor Mengele.

    Maybe they could be sued in the International Court of Justice for malpractice….


  34. Bumr50
    34 | February 13, 2012 1:01 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Shhhh….

    (I’m the mole)

    //


  35. citizen_q
    35 | February 13, 2012 1:02 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Note that Al Qaeda’s Zawahri and Syria’s Assad are both specialist MD’s. They must be in cahoots….

    I don’t know, ass-ad doesn’t sport one of those oh so pious forehead carbuncles like mata-za-wierd-erie.


  36. Prebanned
    36 | February 13, 2012 1:03 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/13/inside-media-matters-david-brocks-enemies-list/
    Hey why aren’t we on the list?

    So now we have a goal!


  37. RIX
    37 | February 13, 2012 1:03 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Moe Katz wrote:
    Note that Al Qaeda’s Zawahri and Syria’s Assad are both specialist MD’s. They must be in cahoots….
    Kind of like Doctor Mengele.
    Maybe they could be sued in the International Court of Justice for malpractice….

    Then they would just move to Indiana where they have
    caps on awards.
    Hossier Akbar!


  38. waldensianspirit
    38 | February 13, 2012 1:04 pm

    Arab League calls for UN to create joint peacekeeping force for IsraelSyria

    That will be after they get 56; then the 57th


  39. citizen_q
    39 | February 13, 2012 1:07 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Looking for dhimmis to do the dirty work?


  40. 40 | February 13, 2012 1:11 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    How much do you want to bet those cocksucking goatfuckers station said “Peacekeepers” near the Golan Heights?


  41. 41 | February 13, 2012 1:15 pm

    OT
    CPAC 2012 was great. I was right there, an arm’s reach from Palin. She is absolutely tremendous!

    Everyone should go to CPAC at least once.


  42. 42 | February 13, 2012 1:19 pm

    @ Macker:
    C’mon! Tell us how you really feel!


  43. 43 | February 13, 2012 1:23 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    He’s a regular UN Diplomat, ain’t he? 8O


  44. 44 | February 13, 2012 1:25 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    He’s a regular UN Diplomat, ain’t he?

    Macker for US Sec’y of State!


  45. 45 | February 13, 2012 1:25 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Al-Qaeda v. Assad? Great! Get me seats at the Armory this Saturday night so I can watch the fight!
    The West should do everything it can to push the Sambo Option: let the tigers chase each other around the tree until they turn to butter.

    Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Lets get popcorn, beer and enjoy the savages killing each other!


  46. Prebanned
    46 | February 13, 2012 1:27 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:
    You are so fortunate.

    The GOP needs a spring cleaning.


  47. 47 | February 13, 2012 1:28 pm

    @ Prebanned:
    I still can’t get over Romney winning the CPAC straw poll. But I heard he bussed a lot of people in.


  48. RIX
    48 | February 13, 2012 1:30 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    @ Prebanned:
    I still can’t get over Romney winning the CPAC straw poll. But I heard he bussed a lot of people in.

    I think that may be true, because it was mentioned
    on TV before the vote.


  49. 49 | February 13, 2012 1:32 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    Sorry, I don’t have the ‘stache to go with the job! 8)


  50. 51 | February 13, 2012 1:33 pm

    @ Rodan:

    What’s this about doing the Sambo?


  51. Bumr50
    52 | February 13, 2012 1:33 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    Rush just brought that up, saying that Ron Paul’s multiple victories there were a result of just that.

    Also the Maine GOP caucus is based on a straw poll of only 5,000 people. There are counties that didn’t vote due to weather.

    But “Romney Won Maine!!”

    It will be interesting to see what the GOP does if Romney doesn’t get the nod.

    Of course I hope different, but I don’t see them quietly getting in line once their guy gets rebuffed.


  52. buzzsawmonkey
    53 | February 13, 2012 1:34 pm

    Romney’s folks are i-cumen in,
    Voting results cuccu!
    Gameth poll to wyn ye wholle
    Is wot he tryed to do
    Sing cuccu!


  53. 54 | February 13, 2012 1:34 pm

    @ Macker:

    Its a reference to some old movie or something. Ask Buzz.


  54. 55 | February 13, 2012 1:36 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    The alternative is Santorum. If he’s the nominee not only will the Establishment backstab him, but many Economic/Fiscal Conservatives will leave the GOP.


  55. 56 | February 13, 2012 1:37 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    Everyone should go to CPAC at least once.

    They would throw me out after one hour.


  56. Bumr50
    57 | February 13, 2012 1:40 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I think that if a viable option presents itself, the GOP is gone.

    They’re on borrowed time as it is.

    Santorum isn’t my cup of Tea, but he’s not Romney. I think that if Romney loses this nomination, the GOP crumbles.

    They would have to completely rethink their strategy because they’ll have officially lost their base, and it’s clear that many of them are power-addicted imbeciles living in a different era.

    They won’t have a chance.


  57. 58 | February 13, 2012 1:45 pm

    #GREENFAIL:

    KNOXVILLE—Electric cars have been heralded as environmentally friendly, but findings from University of Tennessee, Knoxville, researchers show that electric cars in China have an overall impact on pollution that could be more harmful to health than gasoline vehicles.

    Chris Cherry, assistant professor in civil and environmental engineering, and graduate student Shuguang Ji, analyzed the emissions and environmental health impacts of five vehicle technologies in 34 major Chinese cities, focusing on dangerous fine particles. What Cherry and his team found defies conventional logic: electric cars cause much more overall harmful particulate matter pollution than gasoline cars.

    Look for this study to get attacked and ignored. It doesn’t fit the desired narrative. As for me, I am sticking with gasoline. Because I am an environmentalist, not a Green Nazi.


  58. 59 | February 13, 2012 1:46 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    The fact its coming down to 2 Big Government Statists like Romney and Santorum speaks volumes. The Republicans are not the Party of limited Government and Free Markets.

    I think either a Romney or Santourm nomination means the end of the GOP.

    Obama is a lucky asshole.


  59. 61 | February 13, 2012 1:49 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    :lol:

    The Green propaganda is being destroyed by facts.


  60. 62 | February 13, 2012 1:53 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Santorum is by no means as bad as Romney. I think he will have trouble winning the general election, but Obama is going to be formidible no matter who we put up. There isn’t a perfect candidate. I’ll take Santorum over Romney, though I’d have preferred someone else. I think Obama will probably win re-election, though I haven’t heard what the Vegas bookmakers are calling the race at right now. I’d love to be proven wrong, though.


  61. citizen_q
    63 | February 13, 2012 1:54 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:
    GMTA! :-)

    But I flatter myself.


  62. buzzsawmonkey
    64 | February 13, 2012 1:58 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    What Cherry and his team found defies conventional logic: electric cars cause much more overall harmful particulate matter pollution than gasoline cars. [emphasis added]

    There is no “logic” here. There is “conventional wisdom,” i.e., the current popular superstition, wholly devoid of factual basis, which holds that coal-powered cars are somehow less environmentally harmful than gasoline-powered cars.


  63. 65 | February 13, 2012 1:59 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Santorum is not a Conservative. Here’s his take on Individualism.

    One of the criticisms I make is to what I refer to as more of a libertarianish rightrigh. You know, the left has gone so far left and the right in some respects has gone so far t that they touch each other. They come around in the circle. This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone. That there is no such society that I am aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture.

    This is very anti-Right attitude. Santorum and Romney are both Progressives and I have no use for them.

    Obama is very lucky man. He’s lucky his opposition is inept and dishonest.


  64. Bumr50
    66 | February 13, 2012 2:00 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I personally feel that a strategic decision was made to ALLOW us Gingrich and Santorum and to focus on eliminating the other challengers, with the hopes that Gingrich would self-destruct and Santorum would be so SoCon that he would turn off so many people that Romney would be a shoo in.

    What the GOP didn’t count on was the base’s utter disdain for both Romney and THEM.


  65. 67 | February 13, 2012 2:00 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    think Obama will probably win re-election, though I haven’t heard what the Vegas bookmakers are calling the race at right now.

    I agree. I read the odds are very high. In-Trade has him as alock.


  66. buzzsawmonkey
    68 | February 13, 2012 2:04 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    both Romney and THEM

    Romney is now has giant ants as part of his base?


  67. Bumr50
    69 | February 13, 2012 2:06 pm

    FNC is showing footage of Whitney Houston’s dead body being wheeled out.

    That’s f*cking disgusting.


  68. 70 | February 13, 2012 2:08 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    I can deal with Newt. Romney and Santorum I can’t stand.


  69. buzzsawmonkey
    71 | February 13, 2012 2:12 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    FNC is showing footage of Whitney Houston’s dead body being wheeled out.

    That’s f*cking disgusting.

    Wait until next season, when “Celebrity Necrophile Sex Marathon” debuts.


  70. citizen_q
    72 | February 13, 2012 2:13 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    That’s f*cking disgusting.

    It’s not news anymore, it’s infotainment.


  71. 73 | February 13, 2012 2:16 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    That is all any of it is. That is all it has ever really been, at best. I can live with entertainers calling themselves “Journalists”. What I can’t abide are propagandists.


  72. Bumr50
    74 | February 13, 2012 2:17 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    @ citizen_q:

    I don’t even know her personally and I want to beat the stuffing out of the photographer with his own camera.


  73. 75 | February 13, 2012 2:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Santorum is not a Conservative. Here’s his take on Individualism.
    One of the criticisms I make is to what I refer to as more of a libertarianish rightrigh. You know, the left has gone so far left and the right in some respects has gone so far t that they touch each other. They come around in the circle. This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone. That there is no such society that I am aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture.
    This is very anti-Right attitude. Santorum and Romney are both Progressives and I have no use for them.
    Obama is very lucky man. He’s lucky his opposition is inept and dishonest.

    You keep touting that as if it is suppose to mean that Santorum is not a conservative, when in fact, all it proves is that Santorum isnt an anarchist leaning libertarian. America’s founding fathers were not anarchist leaning libertarian, nor were the totalitarian fascists. Santorum is a conservative, he just isn’t your flavor of conservative.


  74. citizen_q
    76 | February 13, 2012 2:27 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Bumr50:
    I don’t watch much anymore. If I am going to watch garbage, I’ll watch one of the Ancient UFO, Free Mason conspiracy, or Rasputin Prophecy shows on the so-called History Channels.


  75. 77 | February 13, 2012 2:33 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Santorum is a conservative, he just isn’t your flavor of conservative.

    Santorum is not attacking Anarchism. He’s a attacking the live and let live attitude that Conservatives used to believe in during the Goldwater/Reagan era. He’s not your type of Conservative either. Just because he’s against Gay Marriage and Abortion, doesn’t make him a Conservative. He’s a Religious Progressives using Social issues to cover up his Progressive economic polices. He believes in a Nanny State and redistribution of wealth.

    He’s a Religious Progressives.

    He’s not Conservative and don’t be fooled by his social stances.


  76. 78 | February 13, 2012 2:38 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    He’s a attacking the live and let live attitude that Conservatives used to believe in during the Goldwater/Reagan era

    Wrong, he is attacking the Ron Paul anarchist leaning libertarians. As for that live and let live attitude that Conservatives used to believe in during the Goldwater/Reagan era. That is more a figment of your imagination then it is reality.

    This is nothing less than you engaging in your beloved “The end justifies the Means” Alinski tactics against a candidate that isn’t YOUR candidate.


  77. Prebanned
    79 | February 13, 2012 2:41 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    Rush just brought that up, saying that Ron Paul’s multiple victories there were a result of just that.
    Also the Maine GOP caucus is based on a straw poll of only 5,000 people. There are counties that didn’t vote due to weather.
    But “Romney Won Maine!!”
    It will be interesting to see what the GOP does if Romney doesn’t get the nod.
    Of course I hope different, but I don’t see them quietly getting in line once their guy gets rebuffed.

    Good, let these worms identify themselves.
    Declare the Crudase and be unite.


  78. 80 | February 13, 2012 2:43 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    That is more a figment of your imagination then it is reality

    Really? That’s what Conservatism was about. It was about Individual Freedom and a leave me alone attitude.

    Other than his social stances, what is Conservative about Santorum? He supports Big Government, A Wilsonian Nation building, A Nanny State and some Government-Family partnership. None of these concepts are Conservative. In fact Santorum is not far off from Mussolini’s Fascism.

    Provide examples of his Conservatism please.


  79. 81 | February 13, 2012 2:43 pm

    @ Prebanned:

    Hey, I am all for declaring a Crusade and being united. This isn’t quite a religious war, but it is a war nonetheless.


  80. Prebanned
    82 | February 13, 2012 2:46 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Uhhmmmmm….spit
    The White House announced plans on Monday to help “Arab Spring” countries swept by revolutions with more than $800 million in economic aid, while maintaining U.S. military aid to Egypt.

    A subsidy for rape and murder, what a waste.


  81. 83 | February 13, 2012 2:54 pm

    @ Prebanned:

    Jizya by any other name. That is the Obama foreign policy…


  82. taxfreekiller
    84 | February 13, 2012 2:55 pm

    John Bolton gets it right one more time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfybK0VVd7U&feature=player_embedded

    On the John Ward show from CPAC.


  83. 85 | February 13, 2012 2:58 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Yup, this is Jiyza pure and simple.


  84. taxfreekiller
    86 | February 13, 2012 3:00 pm

    With the level of evil within William Ayers, Obama, the commie power mad DNC and all elected Democrats we have to fight two wars once more.

    Here at home and over there due to the fact the commie Democrats are setting it up this way with malice intent to bring an end to our Constitution and freedoms.

    They lust to rule by any means.

    They are within the gates and the long knives have blood on them from the lives that now are taken in Afganistain and Iraq due to the same malice that set these death causeing Rules of Engagment.


  85. yenta-fada
    87 | February 13, 2012 3:00 pm

    @ Prebanned:

    How come you’re around in the middle of the day? Are you job hunting? There are so many people looking for work that I sometimes forget who is employed and who is not.


  86. buzzsawmonkey
    88 | February 13, 2012 3:00 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    As for that live and let live attitude that Conservatives used to believe in during the Goldwater/Reagan era. That is more a figment of your imagination then it is reality.

    Not entirely.

    Back in the early ’60s, there was a very strong strain of conservative thought that was on board with decriminalizing what were then referred to as “victimless crimes”; the criminalization of prostitution, of homosexual behavior, drug addiction, etc.

    In 1961 the State of Illnois was one of the first of several states to enact the Model Penal Code. “Model codes” were hot stuff back then, and the grand-daddy of them all, the Uniform Commercial Code, was actually a good idea. The UCC tried to make the laws of contract and commerce clearer, simpler, and more uniform by passing the Code through every state legislature—in other words, leaving the federal system, the distinction between what is the proper province of the federal government and of the state governments intact, but still standardizing insofar as possible the commercial law among the different states.

    The success of the UCC prompted the creation of the Model Penal Code, which decriminalized homosexual behavior (in some states, the courts would impose a twenty-year term of imprisonment on someone convicted of homosexual activity), prostitution, etc.; the idea being that these were matters of individual choice or behavior, not a matter for the law to regulate. You can argue either side of this position, but it should be clear how a certain strain of mind-your-own-business conservatism would accept this as appropriate for the civil law, wholly apart from personal opinions regarding the conduct in question.


  87. taxfreekiller
    89 | February 13, 2012 3:03 pm

    I do know that Chief Master Sgt. Billy Waugh would not lead his team into a fire fight with these dumb ass rules in force.

    In fact many of U.S. in Vietnam/Laos did not follow the written orders, we had our on Oral Orders Only to go by.

    Other wise another 50,000 would have died due to LBJ’s bull shit.


  88. 90 | February 13, 2012 3:17 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:

    That is more a figment of your imagination then it is reality
    Really? That’s what Conservatism was about. It was about Individual Freedom and a leave me alone attitude.
    Other than his social stances, what is Conservative about Santorum? He supports Big Government, A Wilsonian Nation building, A Nanny State and some Government-Family partnership. None of these concepts are Conservative. In fact Santorum is not far off from Mussolini’s Fascism.
    Provide examples of his Conservatism please.

    http://www.votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/27054 You can see his lifetime voting record here.

    The Issues

    As a senator, Santorum had a generally conservative voting record, having earned a 88.1 lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union.

    For your information the American Conservative Union ARE the old Goldwater/Reagan conservative’s you keep harping on about. They gave him a 88.1 LIFETIME Rating, a rating that had at times been as high as 96. Ronald Reagan only had a ACU lifetime rating of 93.


  89. 91 | February 13, 2012 3:20 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Back in the early ’60s, there was a very strong strain of conservative thought

    The beginning of the RINO’s.


  90. buzzsawmonkey
    92 | February 13, 2012 3:23 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    The beginning of the RINO’s.

    I would say, rather, the influence of what later became known as “libertarianism” before it became corrupted by the insanity of Ron Paul and his pals.


  91. Prebanned
    93 | February 13, 2012 3:23 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Snow day for my son, and I am sort of working.
    I have a bitty business that is barely big enough for me.
    The economy needs to pick up bad.


  92. 94 | February 13, 2012 3:27 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    The beginning of the RINO’s.
    I would say, rather, the influence of what later became known as “libertarianism” before it became corrupted by the insanity of Ron Paul and his pals.

    Those so called libertarians back in the 60′s were little more than anarchists. What they were not, was conservatives.


  93. yenta-fada
    95 | February 13, 2012 3:29 pm

    Prebanned wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Snow day for my son, and I am sort of working.
    I have a bitty business that is barely big enough for me.
    The economy needs to pick up bad.

    Indeed. We all need a Plan B. No matter how small the steps we take, we all have to be creative and trust in our abilities.


  94. yenta-fada
    96 | February 13, 2012 3:34 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    The beginning of the RINO’s.
    I would say, rather, the influence of what later became known as “libertarianism” before it became corrupted by the insanity of Ron Paul and his pals.

    Paulians are a heartbeat away from Alex Jones and his ilk. Those would be the ones I see on the financial blogs anyway. They see Laup Nor as the only hope of America.


  95. 97 | February 13, 2012 3:36 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    The beginning of the RINO’s.
    I would say, rather, the influence of what later became known as “libertarianism” before it became corrupted by the insanity of Ron Paul and his pals.
    Paulians are a heartbeat away from Alex Jones and his ilk. Those would be the ones I see on the financial blogs anyway. They see Laup Nor as the only hope of America.

    Yup, most of them are gold bugs, and everybody knows the Gold bugs just aint right in the head.


  96. 98 | February 13, 2012 3:43 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Hey, if you’ve got any gold you are aching to get rid of, I’ll take it off your hands. I won’t even charge you a recycling fee… 8O


  97. buzzsawmonkey
    99 | February 13, 2012 3:44 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Those so called libertarians back in the 60′s were little more than anarchists. What they were not, was conservatives.

    I’m talking about legal scholars who were conservative in the sense of thinking that government should get out of as much as it could, and who were active in the Fifties (which is when the Model Penal Code was drafted and shopped around) in order to try and reduce the amount that government interfered in people’s lives.

    They may have been wrong in their efforts, or the application of their principles, but the MPC was intended as a conservative measure in the sense of simplifying the legal system and getting government out of areas where it theoretically did not belong.

    Utopianism is always a snare, and one can argue that the conservatives of that time should have known better. But people are the prisoners of their own time, and you have to understand how ideas which we rightly regard as leftwing insanity today even affected conservatives in the wake of America being the one nation left standing after WWII.


  98. 100 | February 13, 2012 3:48 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    But people are the prisoners of their own time, and you have to understand how ideas which we rightly regard as leftwing insanity today even affected conservatives in the wake of America being the one nation left standing after WWII.

    And yet so many of us have failed to learn from history, it is disturbing to say the least.


  99. yenta-fada
    101 | February 13, 2012 4:02 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    All those goldbugs are also gun nuts. Go figure./


  100. 102 | February 13, 2012 4:03 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    All those goldbugs are also gun nuts. Go figure./

    What is going to be funnier than hell is when they run out of lead and have to use their gold for bullets… :twisted:


  101. yenta-fada
    103 | February 13, 2012 4:03 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Hey, if you’ve got any gold you are aching to get rid of, I’ll take it off your hands. I won’t even charge you a recycling fee…

    You are a charitable fellow!


  102. yenta-fada
    104 | February 13, 2012 4:05 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    @ doriangrey:
    All those goldbugs are also gun nuts. Go figure./
    What is going to be funnier than hell is when they run out of lead and have to use their gold for bullets…

    Nope. They will use the silver first.


  103. 105 | February 13, 2012 4:08 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    yenta-fada wrote:
    @ doriangrey:
    All those goldbugs are also gun nuts. Go figure./
    What is going to be funnier than hell is when they run out of lead and have to use their gold for bullets…
    Nope. They will use the silver first.

    Then they will die. Silver is utterly worthless as a bullet slug, it’s to hard, doesn’t track in the lands and groves, consequently it doesn’t allow the bullet to spin and you can’t hit the broadside of a barn with a silver bullet. Anyone who was actually a gun nut would know that.


  104. 106 | February 13, 2012 4:12 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    He has a high rating because of Social issues and the ACU is biased in that regard. He has no record of economic Conservatism. He voted for multiple debt ceiling increases.

    Show me where he is Conservative on Economic and Fiscal issues.


  105. Prebanned
    107 | February 13, 2012 4:13 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    A real gun nut has enough ammo to wear out all thier guns.


  106. yenta-fada
    108 | February 13, 2012 4:13 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    So much for the werewolf/vampire destruction theories.


  107. buzzsawmonkey
    109 | February 13, 2012 4:16 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Silver is utterly worthless as a bullet slug, it’s to hard, doesn’t track in the lands and groves, consequently it doesn’t allow the bullet to spin and you can’t hit the broadside of a barn with a silver bullet. Anyone who was actually a gun nut would know that.

    Well, that gives me new respect for the Lone Ranger’s marksmanship.


  108. 110 | February 13, 2012 4:16 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    I’m a Libertarian-Conservative and I’m not an Anarchist.

    Please define what a Conservative is?


  109. 111 | February 13, 2012 4:17 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    The beginning of the RINO’s.

    RINOs believe in a Nanny State. Calling for Individual Freedom is the anti-thesis of that.


  110. Prebanned
    112 | February 13, 2012 4:19 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    You just gotta get close.


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