he runs his stupid theocratic mouth about contraception and out of wedlock sex. This loser needs to find a real world job.
by Gatordoug
Just when I start to think that I can overlook his over the top Social Conservatism. Just when I start to think that maybe he has realized that government needs to stay OUT of American’s sex lives, he goes THERE!
I don’t care if it’s in the Bible, I don’t care if you can point to all sorts of studies showing how it leads to bad economic outcomes or even health problems. People will not vote for Rick Santorum once they see things like this:
(Warning DKos link)
One of the things I will talk about that no president has talked about before is I think the dangers of contraception in this country, the whole sexual libertine idea … Many in the Christian faith have said, “Well, that’s okay … contraception’s okay.”
It’s not okay because it’s a license to do things in the sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be. They’re supposed to be within marriage, for purposes that are, yes, conjugal … but also procreative. That’s the perfect way that a sexual union should happen. We take any part of that out, we diminish the act. And if you can take one part out that’s not for purposes of procreation, that’s not one of the reasons, then you diminish this very special bond between men and women, so why can’t you take other parts of that out? And all of a sudden, it becomes deconstructed to the point where it’s simply pleasure. And that’s certainly a part of it—and it’s an important part of it, don’t get me wrong—but there’s a lot of things we do for pleasure, and this is special, and it needs to be seen as special.
Again, I know most presidents don’t talk about those things, and maybe people don’t want us to talk about those things, but I think it’s important that you are who you are. I’m not running for preacher. I’m not running for pastor, but these are important public policy issues.
Drew seems to agree with me, or maybe I agree with him, anyway, great minds agree that Santorum will lose to Obama if he keeps that up.
Also, one more point that folks like Santorum overlook. What if someone IS married, but in their forties, and simply feels like they are too old to have kids? Should they NOT use contraception? Not have sex? Is THAT sex somehow, “diminished”? Good grief Santorum!
So he’s against unmarried people having sex. I bet when he was banging chicks before he got married.
Santorum is an idiot.
Still better than Mittens.
We have a shitty hand, but folding is not an option.
@ Rodan:
I always love it when sanctimonious shit heads like that get caught with their pants down. I don’t care if it is Elliot Spitzer or Rick Santorum.
@ Speranza:
I can’t believe he thinks this will be a winning issue. Nice way to attack Younger and Single voters.
If you have sex, you are dammned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Real appealing.
@ Bumr50:
Doesn’t this irk you? Dude is talking about sex, when the economy and fiscal situation is a mess.
@ Rodan:
Yes!!
It drives me bananas!!
But honestly, I’m going to vote for someone, and not-Romney pretty much satisfies a need for me. Creative destruction in the GOP. Santorum’s an establishment guy, but not THEIR establishment guy.
Video is dead
No Joke: Democrats Holding “Dogs Against Romney” Protest In NYC To “Ensure Pet Lovers Know Mitt Romney Is Mean To Dogs”…
They went there already
Ace has some videos
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/326667.php
Santorum says he supports birth control for the public but personally doesn’t believe it is good.
I happen to agree with him. Birth control doesn’t hurt a man because he wouldn’t take it. Birth control for women puts them in a constant state of pregnancy or rather fakes into pregnancy without the fertilization thus stopping fertilization
Oh and Ace and his crowd are nasty toward women like Sarah Palin
NO, SANTORUM IS NOT COMING FOR YOUR BIRTH CONTROL.
Jeez o’ Pete people. For crying out loud, the left said the same sort of nonsense about Reagan and abortion back in the 80′s.
@ The Osprey:
free advice to all
always check yer sources
Got news for ya. Fornication IS a sin in the eyes of God. That said, aside from giving my belief on the issue to others, I can’t do much else to stop unmarried people from having sex if they choose to. Then they get to take the issue up with God Himself.
Just like we all have to do, sooner or later.
I’m pleasantly surprised. Quite a few commentators on the Ace thread are make sound and reasoned points
Dailykos, sheeeeit! “Screw ‘em”
waldensianspirit wrote:
When your aim is to besmirch, distort smear and destroy, any source that helps you do so is a valid source, after all, The End does Justify the Means you know…
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/13/feds-shut-down-amish-farm-selling-fresh-milk/
Something Santorum and Gingrich wouldn’t do but Obama does and Romney would if it made him money
Macker wrote:
That’s between you and God.
No wonder we keep losing elections.
@ Macker:
That’s between you and God. Its not the government’s business if you have sex.
@ Speranza:
Yup. Elements of the GOP want Government mandated morality.
Santorum believes in Limited Government, Individualism and Free Enterprise!
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Speranza wrote:
Yeah, I guess that’s why Reagan lost that 48 state landslide to Walter Mondale, because he couldn’t keep his mouth shut about Roe vs. Wade.
@ The Osprey:
Horseshit! I was not a social con and I voted for Reagan twice. Reagan concentrated on economics and national defense. He actually signed a liberal abortion law as governor of California and was a divorced man himself. It was “Mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall” not “Mr. Gorbachev ban abortion”.
Speranza wrote:
Reagan spoke out against abortion not just once, but many times, as a candidate and as President.
You can ignore it if you want but it’s a fact.
@ Speranza:
That was Reagan’s voice, no?
@ Speranza:
I take it you believe sins can never be forgiven?
Well, there he goes again…
@ Speranza:
Reagan’s divorce was at his wife’s request, not his.
Now, just MHO, but I think abortion needs to be left up to the states. Under no circumstances do I think government should pay for abortion OR contraceptives. I don’t think we need laws criminalizing homosexual behavior, even though I don’t think it’s a ‘normal’ or ‘healthy’ lifestyle. We also, as I’ve said before, shouldn’t be out there celebrating abortion or homosexuality, as the left seems to think we should.
And that is the crux of it
it being forgiveness
@ mfhorn:
I draw the line when teh gheys get in the faces of straight people with “We’re Queer! We’re here! Get used to it!”
Allow me to share once again what happens to communities like that:
The Hybrid arched its back as if in total ecstasy. One moment the base ship was embedded in the mountain complex overlooking the ancient fortress…
…the next, it actually appeared in the skies over the Twin Cities of Debauchery. But instead of being aboard the vessel, Cavil, Saddam, Phelps, and Frank were left on a ledge overlooking the area. Next, the base ship launched a MIRV and each warhead vectored off to cover Sodom and Gomorrah in its entirety.
The warheads exploded simultaneously, filling their retinas with multiple fireball flashes. Since Barney Frank was closest to the cliff, desiring to get a closer look at his favorite form of sexual activity, he turned to a pillar of salt as the blast wave hit him first, followed by Phelps, Saddam, and finally, Cavil.
“FRAAAAAAK!” were the Number One Cylon’s last words….
ACe of Spades rips Santorum on this.
Rodan wrote:
And it’s already been debunked. See my post #12 and the related links therein.
@ Rodan:
see waldensianspirit wrote:
And his commentators rip Ace
Cain is just a pizzaman.
Bachmann is a crazed woman.
Romney’s a progressive RINO who had a business venture that soured.
Newt’s too old, has too much baggage and he’s got a funny name.
Now it’s OMG!Santorum’s got religious views!
Keep tearin’ em down, boys. Ain’t nobody good enough for ya.
What woman would ever trust a man who said, “Oh, I’m on the pill!”
@ Macker:
Raving BSG fanboy mode. That’ll be 10,000 Quatloos, Macker.
@ The Osprey:
Saw that. My gripe with Santorum is his Nation Building foreign policy and his support of Big Government.
@ The Osprey:
Nope, your bet was for only one day and I passed that one long ago. We’re even!
waldensianspirit wrote:
It couldn’t have been! Reagan wasn’t a stupid So-Con! Reagan never talked about morality!
Macker wrote:
Putin on the Ritz…ROFLMAO!
@ The Osprey:
Damn I miss him. Wish we had someone as good at articulating the conservative message around today.
@ The Osprey:
mfhorn wrote:
Unfortunately, as Donald Rumsfeld said, you’ve got to go to war with the army you’ve got.
Which means baring Zombie Reagan’s appearance at a brokered convention, it’s going to be either Mitt, Newt, Rick or Ron.
@ The Osprey:
AHEM! Aren’t we forgetting someone?
Macker wrote:
Cyborg Nixon?
Rodan wrote:
No, he isn’t an idiot. He’s a Roman Catholic. He is simply repeating Roman Catholic doctrine. If you are a Roman Catholic, then you should be aware that those are the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church – whether you agree with them or not.
I don’t think unmarried people should have sex either. Whether Santorum or I or you or anybody else ever did otherwise is a separate issue – sex outside of marriage still has negative effects both on the people involved and on society as a whole. But then, I’m an Orthodox Christian, and I am just repeating Orthodox Christian doctrine.
Macker wrote:
TRANSFORMER NIXON!
The Osprey wrote:
We live in a fallen world, and any candidate you find will be flawed. Jesus Christ is not running for POTUS.
I can cope with Newt or Rick. Ron, not so much. Mitt or Obozo, not at all.
“he runs his stupid theocratic mouth about contraception and out of wedlock sex. This loser needs to find a real world job.”
Expressing his opinion about rightful behavior has nothing to do with “theocracy.” Rick Santorum is NOT promoting any kind of theocracy, nor has he ever proposed any legislative bans on contraception or out-of-wedlock sex.
If you can’t back one of the Catholic candidates (Rick or Newt), that leaves Mitt Romney (are you aware of the real-life Mormon theocracy that once existed in Utah?), Ron Paul (who would capitulate to Islam – which IS a theocracy), or Obama (ditto). Roman Catholics have their own opinions about correct moral behavior, but that does not translate into any attempt to create a “theocracy” in the public sphere.
The Osprey wrote:
You can’t tell some people that which they do not want to know, even when you provide them with indisputable evidence they refuse to hear you.
@ The Osprey:
@ The Osprey:
Those will do, I guess.
This was an absurd headline, Speranza. You would do well adding an addendum retracting your misleading statements
Here’s a hint: There’s a reason so many people have basically stopped posting here. And yet the pony-tailed fatass continually gets ripped for not allowing those with opposing opinions to post. It’s not just banning, but ripping to shreds anything anyone who goes off the reservation opines.
waldensianspirit wrote:
Fuck no. You do your own threads, otherwise stay off of mine.
Macker wrote:
How do you know, He spoke to you?