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US Orthodox Christian Bishops Protest Obamacare Abortion/Contraception Ruling

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Filed under Abortion, Barack Obama, Health Care, Orthodox Christianity at February 14th, 2012 - 3:00 pm

Assembly of Canonical Orthodox Bishops of North and Central America
Office of the Secretariat

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 2nd, 2012

Record of Protest Against the Infringement of Religious Liberty by the Department of Health and Human Services

The Assembly of Canonical Orthodox Bishops of North and Central America, which is comprised of the 65 canonical Orthodox bishops in the United States, Canada and Mexico, join their voices with the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and all those who adamantly protest the recent decision by the United States Department of Health and Human Services (http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2012pres/01/20120120a.html), and call upon all the Orthodox Christian faithful to contact their elected representatives today to voice their concern in the face of this threat to the sanctity of the Church’s conscience.

In this ruling by HHS, religious hospitals, educational institutions, and other organizations will be required to pay for the full cost of contraceptives (including some abortion-inducing drugs) and sterilizations for their employees, regardless of the religious convictions of the employers.

The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion. This freedom is transgressed when a religious institution is required to pay for “contraceptive services” including abortion-inducing drugs and sterilization services that directly violate their religious convictions. Providing such services should not be regarded as mandated medical care. We, the Assembly of Canonical Orthodox Bishops, call upon HHS Secretary Sebelius and the Obama Administration to rescind this unjust ruling and to respect the religious freedom guaranteed all Americans by the First Amendment.

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Contact:
The Office of the Secretariat
1559 North Woodlawn Street
Wichita, KS 67208-2429
Phone: 316-687-3169
Assembly Web Site: www.assemblyofbishops.org

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  1. Bumr50
    1 | February 14, 2012 3:03 pm

    Solidarity is key.


  2. 2 | February 14, 2012 3:09 pm

    First they came from the Catholics….


  3. MikeA
    3 | February 14, 2012 3:10 pm

    there is that pesky constitution getting in the way of our great and glorious leader!!!!


  4. 4 | February 14, 2012 3:11 pm

    I’m glad my Orthodox Brothers have our backs.


  5. 5 | February 14, 2012 3:18 pm

    @ Macker:

    Dammit! F’in iPad again….


  6. coldwarrior
    6 | February 14, 2012 3:20 pm


  7. coldwarrior
    7 | February 14, 2012 3:28 pm

    this group is working toward unifying all orthodox denominations like the serbs, russians, oca, greeks etc into one american orthodox church that is headed by a metropolitan here in america.

    this is a good thing


  8. eaglesoars
    8 | February 14, 2012 3:31 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    this is a good thing

    Please explain. I’m ignorant of the issues.

    (btw, got the Russian Caravan tea -- fabulouse -- and that Ethiopian coffee ain’t bad either)


  9. coldwarrior
    9 | February 14, 2012 3:36 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    this is a good thing
    Please explain. I’m ignorant of the issues.
    (btw, got the Russian Caravan tea – fabulouse – and that Ethiopian coffee ain’t bad either)

    there is no reason why there has to a seperate orthodox churches in the US anymore. the ethnic reason for it died off 20 or so years ago now the parishes are either dwindling or are full of non-ethnic orthodox converts or orthodox from other parishes. so by unifying what is already a unified teaching and dogma, the american orthodox church will be stroger, more viable, and on better financial footing.

    it is better to take ‘orders’ from a metropolitan in america than the metropol in say moscow or belgrade.


  10. coldwarrior
    10 | February 14, 2012 3:36 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    (btw, got the Russian Caravan tea – fabulouse – and that Ethiopian coffee ain’t bad either)

    yummy!


  11. eaglesoars
    11 | February 14, 2012 3:39 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    it is better to take ‘orders’ from a metropolitan in america than the metropol in say moscow or belgrade.

    understood, thanks


  12. 12 | February 14, 2012 3:40 pm

    Thisis where we need to stand strong against the creep in chief and his evil intentions. Above all, this make it obvious what his ultimate intentions really are.


  13. 13 | February 14, 2012 3:44 pm

    @ father_of_10:

    He may not be the anti-Christ, but he is definately anti-Christian


  14. Bumr50
    14 | February 14, 2012 3:47 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I used to get hammered at the little Irish joint next to Nicholas.

    I can’t for the life of me remember what it was called

    I met all of the girls that worked at the Supercuts on Liberty across the way in whatever the bar was called above the Oyster House to the right. (‘Blue’ at the time I think), and that’s where they all drank.


  15. coldwarrior
    15 | February 14, 2012 3:48 pm

    @ father_of_10:

    rush was talking today that dick morris theorizes that 0 did this to paint all republicans as being anti-contraceptive, etc. morris said the opening shot of this was stephanolpolus’ grilling of romney in that debate over contraception and rights.


  16. coldwarrior
    16 | February 14, 2012 3:49 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    I can’t for the life of me remember what it was called

    stomped brain cells will…ummm…what was i talking about?


  17. eaglesoars
    17 | February 14, 2012 3:53 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ father_of_10:

    He may not be the anti-Christ, but he is definately anti-Christian…

    Hiya babe………..

    His anti-Christianity is a symptom, not the cause. The cause is a totalitarian, nihilistic ideology. The Catholic Church is a target because it supports a strong family unit and provides services that compete with the gov’t, thereby decreasing the population that the gov’t can haul into slavery.

    Next up -- the family unit itself. There is a reason they’re going after food in the schools and the military.


  18. 18 | February 14, 2012 3:54 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    Thisis where we need to stand strong against the creep in chief and his evil intentions. Above all, this make it obvious what his ultimate intentions really are.

    The only religion he respects is Islam. All others, are useless for him.


  19. Bumr50
    19 | February 14, 2012 3:54 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Heard that, and I think it’s dead on.


  20. coldwarrior
    20 | February 14, 2012 3:56 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Heard that, and I think it’s dead on.

    yep. the dems found out that guns and abortion are losing issues, so now time to move on to contraception


  21. 21 | February 14, 2012 3:57 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ father_of_10:
    rush was talking today that dick morris theorizes that 0 did this to paint all republicans as being anti-contraceptive, etc. morris said the opening shot of this was stephanolpolus’ grilling of romney in that debate over contraception and rights.

    I agree. The Obama Regime doesn’t want to talk about the economy or budget issues. They want to discuss Social issues. They know too many Conservatives get worked up about it and get all emotional. Its a trick the Left uses.


  22. 22 | February 14, 2012 3:58 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    With Santorum they would love to bring up abortion. He wants to deny raped women the right to abort. They will hammer him on this.


  23. 23 | February 14, 2012 3:58 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yep, anything that can lessen one’s dependance on the one true god, Government, must be opposed. All the Democrats are that way. Notice how they have pretty much all fallen in line behind Dear Leader on this Abortion thing. And yes, this is about the Leftist sacrement of Abortion. Contraception is merely a smoke-screen.


  24. 24 | February 14, 2012 3:59 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ father_of_10:
    He may not be the anti-Christ, but he is definately anti-Christian…

    I haven’t said (yet) that he is the anti-christ, but so far, he seems to be trying pretty darn hard to get a contender ranking.


  25. eaglesoars
    25 | February 14, 2012 3:59 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The only religion he respects is Islam.

    Which is also totalitarian. It’s a form of self-love

    have to run an errand. brb


  26. Bumr50
    26 | February 14, 2012 3:59 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Mick McGuire’s!!!


  27. 27 | February 14, 2012 4:00 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    The Left loves Islam!


  28. 28 | February 14, 2012 4:01 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    he is their Messiah. The Obama thing is a cult.


  29. 29 | February 14, 2012 4:02 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:
    I can’t for the life of me remember what it was called
    stomped brain cells will…ummm…what was i talking about?

    You have brain cells? who knew that… :razz:


  30. mfhorn
    30 | February 14, 2012 4:03 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    My regular church is Evangelical Covenant, but I enjoy visiting other denominations sometimes. About a year ago, I went to a Greek Orthodox service, and while very very different from what I’m used to, it was an interesting experience. Very deeply rooted in history & tradition, and much more formal than I’m used to.


  31. eaglesoars
    31 | February 14, 2012 4:05 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yep, anything that can lessen one’s dependance on the one true god, Government, must be opposed. All the Democrats are that way. Notice how they have pretty much all fallen in line behind Dear Leader on this Abortion thing. And yes, this is about the Leftist sacrement of Abortion. Contraception is merely a smoke-screen.

    I don’t think I’ve mentioned this before. Politically, I’m pro-choice. Why? Because if the gov’t can tell you you MUST give birth, it can also say you CANNOT give birth.

    Keep something in mind. George Tiller, the partial-birth abortion provider murdered was in Kansas, where Governor Kathleen Sebelius was his biggest supporter.

    She got Sec HHS which has perpetrated this monstrosity.

    Elena Kagin LIED about the position of the ACOG re partial-birth abortion in order to get it passes. She’s now on SCOTUS.

    John Holdren, Obama’s czar for science and technology co-authored the book ‘Ecoscience’ with Paul and Ann Erlich that maintained, among other things, that forced abortion was constitutional.

    What we’re seeing is the soft tickles of the fur the eugenics monster at our throats. Mark my words.

    Ok, back in a bit


  32. 32 | February 14, 2012 4:10 pm

    So with the 3 leading contenders for the nomination we have 2 staunch Catholics and a staunch Mormon. Regardless of Gingrich’s indescretons in his past, I actually do believe in repentance and think what he espouses today is what he truly tries to be. that being said, we have 3 men that are anti-abortion and active in churches that are anti-abortion and pro-family. Compared to Obama who went to a radical church and now doesn’t seem to claim any established faith and he is totally in the bag for killing babies. forget contraception. Let’s focus on his baby-killing credentials.


  33. 33 | February 14, 2012 4:18 pm

    @ father_of_10:

    The last thing we need is a fight on Social issues. The Democrats win that because they are able to scare people and show the GOP as Theocrats (not true mostly). This will turn off many Suburban Independent Economic Conservatives.

    This election needs to be about our Economic and Fiscal troubles.


  34. Bumr50
  35. coldwarrior
    35 | February 14, 2012 4:28 pm

    @ mfhorn:

    we are orthodox church of america

    the oca was russian but then split out during the 1917 revolution when there was no communication between the patriarch of moscow and the churches in america. the oca is american led.


  36. coldwarrior
    36 | February 14, 2012 4:29 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Right on cue…
    Dem Sen. Frank Lautenberg: Republicans Want Women “Barefoot And Pregnant”…

    well, isnt that a coinkydink!


  37. 37 | February 14, 2012 4:30 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Yup, they want a Social issues/Cultural war fight. Whether its fair or not. most Independents get turned off by this and the GOP has a habit of over reaching.


  38. coldwarrior
    38 | February 14, 2012 4:32 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    Yup, they want a Social issues/Cultural war fight. Whether its fair or not. most Independents get turned off by this and the GOP has a habit of over reaching.

    smart move by the dems, but i think in this case they overreached on the catholic church thing.


  39. 39 | February 14, 2012 4:33 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Yes, that they over reached on. Always let the Dems over reach, it turns people off. But now too many in the GOP want a Social issues fight.


  40. 40 | February 14, 2012 4:34 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ Bumr50:

    If people on the Right got as worked up about Fiscal and Economic issues as they do on Social/Cultural issues, we would not be in this mess.


  41. coldwarrior
    41 | February 14, 2012 4:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Yes, that they over reached on. Always let the Dems over reach, it turns people off. But now too many in the GOP want a Social issues fight.

    ahhh, but 0 can walk it back in october and recapture the liberal catholic vote. nice ceremony in the rose garden, some bishops…


  42. coldwarrior
    42 | February 14, 2012 4:35 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ Bumr50:
    If people on the Right got as worked up about Fiscal and Economic issues as they do on Social/Cultural issues, we would not be in this mess.

    no kidding!


  43. eaglesoars
    43 | February 14, 2012 4:38 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    ahhh, but 0 can walk it back in october

    How? How can he walk this back?


  44. Lily
    44 | February 14, 2012 4:44 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Yes, that they over reached on. Always let the Dems over reach, it turns people off. But now too many in the GOP want a Social issues fight.

    ahhh, but 0 can walk it back in october and recapture the liberal catholic vote. nice ceremony in the rose garden, some bishops…

    I don’t think the Bishops will be fooled again. bho went to far. He will not be able to walk this back. Not to mention he has expressed no intention of walking this back. The liberal Catholic’s will stand by the Church on this one.


  45. Da_Beerfreak
    45 | February 14, 2012 4:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    Yup, they want a Social issues/Cultural war fight. Whether its fair or not. most Independents get turned off by this and the GOP has a habit of over reaching.

    The Gutless Old Party has never learned how to fight the Left. I don’t see that changing anytime soon… :evil:


  46. 46 | February 14, 2012 4:48 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    This will turn off many Suburban Independent Economic Conservatives.

    This is where you are wrong. These people are fiscal conservatives, perhaps, but they are Social Liberals. Their social issues also trump their fiscal issues. I think if they got into power you would be very disappointed in them. Mitt Romney is one of them.


  47. eaglesoars
    47 | February 14, 2012 5:00 pm

    Ok, what did I tell you. Mark Simone (subbing for Hannity) said there’s a story at drudge about state agents taking away a 4 yr old’s lunch because it wasn’t healthy enough and making the kid eat cafeteria nuggets. It’s the headline at drudge but I can’t get in -- too much traffic I guess.

    The kids lunch was a chicken sandwich, banana and chips


  48. Lily
    48 | February 14, 2012 5:01 pm

    Losing Liberty
    by Cal Thomas
    The Obama administration’s ham-fisted attempt to require that contraceptives and abortifacients be offered to employees of Catholic and other religious institutions is a serious threat to our civil liberties.
    *snip*
    But wait. Didn’t President Obama give in to the concerns of Roman Catholic bishops by excusing Catholic institutions from paying for contraceptives and “morning-after” pills for their employees? Not exactly. The president disingenuously shifted the burden to insurance companies, which have now been ordered to offer the pills “free” to any employee who wants them.

    Nothing is “free.” The cost will eventually be added to the price of the policies, which the employer will wind up paying for anyway. The cost will then be passed along to the employee.

    The bishops weren’t fooled. After initially expressing “cautious optimism” over the administration’s “first step in the right direction,” they issued a statement, reports the Wall Street Journal, saying they still have “serious moral concerns” and cannot support the announced compromise, despite the fact that many thousands of religious institutions will be exempted from the mandate.
    *snip*
    This issue was always about more than contraceptives and who pays for them. It is about individual liberty and whether the government under “Obamacare” has the constitutional right to dictate to private businesses and church-related entities when such orders violate conscience and religious beliefs. Would the administration also order a conscientious objector to engage in combat? It’s the same principle.

    If the administration can get away with this, there will be no stopping it. If government can force an insurance company or institution to pay for a birth-control pill or a morning-after pill, it can, under the same authority, conceivably force them to pay for a euthanasia pill for those others have deemed unfit to live.
    *snip*
    What other liberties does the Obama administration want to subvert? In his Super Bowl Sunday interview with NBC’s Matt Lauer, President Obama appeared to complain about the Founding Fathers, whom he suggested, “…designed a system that makes it more difficult to bring about change that I would like sometimes.” It’s called the separation of powers, Mr. President, and it was created to protect the nation from a dictatorial executive branch.

    Losing Liberty

    “Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?” — Thomas Jefferson

    “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government — lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.” — Patrick Henry

    http://townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/2012/02/14/losing_liberty


  49. Lily
    49 | February 14, 2012 5:02 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    ahhh, but 0 can walk it back in october

    How? How can he walk this back?

    He can’t. The Bishop’s already know he is a liar.


  50. eaglesoars
    50 | February 14, 2012 5:04 pm

    Lily wrote:

    it can, under the same authority, conceivably force them to pay for a euthanasia pill for those others have deemed unfit to live.

    And to force abortions on women carrying, say down’s syndrome children.

    Or, on the alter of ‘diversity’ abort babies who are the ‘wrong’ race.


  51. eaglesoars
    51 | February 14, 2012 5:06 pm

    Lily wrote:

    The Bishop’s already know he is a liar.

    Slow learners


  52. Lily
    52 | February 14, 2012 5:08 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    it can, under the same authority, conceivably force them to pay for a euthanasia pill for those others have deemed unfit to live.

    And to force abortions on women carrying, say down’s syndrome children.

    Or, on the alter of ‘diversity’ abort babies who are the ‘wrong’ race.

    bho wants to be the supreme authority here or at least the government to the supreme authority. This is so wrong in so many ways….just like the post were the child had their lunch taken away because it wasn’t healthy enough deemed by the school. It is trampling all over the constitution….


  53. 53 | February 14, 2012 5:08 pm

    Today, I Voted Early. EAT SHIT MITT!


  54. coldwarrior
    54 | February 14, 2012 5:09 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    This will turn off many Suburban Independent Economic Conservatives.
    This is where you are wrong. These people are fiscal conservatives, perhaps, but they are Social Liberals. Their social issues also trump their fiscal issues. I think if they got into power you would be very disappointed in them. Mitt Romney is one of them.

    ummm…mitt aint no fiscon.


  55. 55 | February 14, 2012 5:09 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I just heard this on the wireless driving home with my wife from the grocery store. I was livid, to say the least.


  56. Da_Beerfreak
    56 | February 14, 2012 5:10 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    it can, under the same authority, conceivably force them to pay for a euthanasia pill for those others have deemed unfit to live.
    And to force abortions on women carrying, say down’s syndrome children.
    Or, on the alter of ‘diversity’ abort babies who are the ‘wrong’ race.

    There won’t be any forced abortions; the government will just refuse to provide any medical care for the mother and child. (Or allow anyone else to provide care.) :evil:


  57. coldwarrior
    57 | February 14, 2012 5:10 pm

    Lily wrote:

    I don’t think the Bishops will be fooled again.

    they have been being fooled by the left for 40 years now, this isnt going to change until there is a purge, excommunications and a retrenchment of the catholic church


  58. Lily
    58 | February 14, 2012 5:11 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    The Bishop’s already know he is a liar.

    Slow learners

    Maybe so, but they are seeing the true aura of bho and know he is not to be believed in anything he says….either way they are on to him now.
    Better late than never.


  59. 59 | February 14, 2012 5:11 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    I don’t think the Bishops will be fooled again.

    they have been being fooled by the left for 40 years now, this isnt going to change until there is a purge, excommunications and a retrenchment of the catholic church

    Beginning with Нанси Пелоси!


  60. coldwarrior
    60 | February 14, 2012 5:12 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    ahhh, but 0 can walk it back in october
    How? How can he walk this back?

    nice rose garden ceremony, have a bunch of bishops and cardinals in, sign an executive order allowing the catholics to follow their beliefs by his hand.

    nice photo op…all’s well and the suckers will buy it 100%


  61. eaglesoars
    61 | February 14, 2012 5:13 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    There won’t be any forced abortions; the government will just refuse to provide any medical care for the mother and child. (Or allow anyone else to provide care.)

    Perhaps. That says nothing about the self-claimed authority of the gov’t to implement a forced-abortion policy.


  62. coldwarrior
    62 | February 14, 2012 5:13 pm

    Macker wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    I don’t think the Bishops will be fooled again.
    they have been being fooled by the left for 40 years now, this isnt going to change until there is a purge, excommunications and a retrenchment of the catholic church

    Beginning with Нанси Пелоси!

    kennedy


  63. Lily
    63 | February 14, 2012 5:13 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    I don’t think the Bishops will be fooled again.

    they have been being fooled by the left for 40 years now, this isnt going to change until there is a purge, excommunications and a retrenchment of the catholic church

    That very well be so…but there is shift going on in the Church right now and bho is soldifiying the Church maybe more than it has been in many, many years.


  64. 64 | February 14, 2012 5:14 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Which Kennedy are you referring to? All four of the Kennedy Brothers are dead, do you mean the next generation?


  65. eaglesoars
    65 | February 14, 2012 5:14 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    ahhh, but 0 can walk it back in october
    How? How can he walk this back?

    nice rose garden ceremony, have a bunch of bishops and cardinals in, sign an executive order allowing the catholics to follow their beliefs by his hand.

    nice photo op…all’s well and the suckers will buy it 100%

    Note a chance. He’d lose the Sebelius/Planned Parenthood demo.


  66. Lily
    66 | February 14, 2012 5:15 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    ahhh, but 0 can walk it back in october
    How? How can he walk this back?

    nice rose garden ceremony, have a bunch of bishops and cardinals in, sign an executive order allowing the catholics to follow their beliefs by his hand.

    nice photo op…all’s well and the suckers will buy it 100%

    I don’t think this will happen. At all. He is not taking on a Catholic person re ..Kennedy…He is taking on the Catholic Church.


  67. coldwarrior
    67 | February 14, 2012 5:16 pm

    Lily wrote:

    That very well be so…but there is shift going on in the Church right now and bho is soldifiying the Church maybe more than it has been in many, many years.

    a few very public excommunications and removal of those jesuits who are into social justice and liberation theology, might be a good place to start


  68. 68 | February 14, 2012 5:16 pm

    @ Lily:

    I wonder if The Pope will specifically address this issue about Обама?


  69. coldwarrior
    69 | February 14, 2012 5:17 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Which Kennedy are you referring to? All four of the Kennedy Brothers are dead, do you mean the next generation?

    most of the dead ones at least


  70. eaglesoars
    70 | February 14, 2012 5:17 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    ahhh, but 0 can walk it back in october
    How? How can he walk this back?

    nice rose garden ceremony, have a bunch of bishops and cardinals in, sign an executive order allowing the catholics to follow their beliefs by his hand.

    nice photo op…all’s well and the suckers will buy it 100%

    Note a chance. He’d lose the Sebelius/Planned Parenthood demo.

    AND it would undercut the campaign ‘Republicans want women pregnant and in the kitchen’ meme.


  71. coldwarrior
    71 | February 14, 2012 5:17 pm

    Lily wrote:

    I don’t think this will happen. At all. He is not taking on a Catholic person re ..Kennedy…He is taking on the Catholic Church.

    i see no evidence of this happening, but i hope you are right


  72. Da_Beerfreak
    72 | February 14, 2012 5:18 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    There won’t be any forced abortions; the government will just refuse to provide any medical care for the mother and child. (Or allow anyone else to provide care.)
    Perhaps. That says nothing about the self-claimed authority of the gov’t to implement a forced-abortion policy.

    If the ‘Greens’ want to force a ‘one child policy’ on this Country, then it’s time to take up arms and fight the bastards. :twisted:


  73. eaglesoars
    73 | February 14, 2012 5:18 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    a few very public excommunications and removal of those jesuits who are into social justice and liberation theology,

    Didn’t John Paul do that with some priests in South America? (not sure if they were jesuits)


  74. Lily
    74 | February 14, 2012 5:19 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    That very well be so…but there is shift going on in the Church right now and bho is soldifiying the Church maybe more than it has been in many, many years.

    a few very public excommunications and removal of those jesuits who are into social justice and liberation theology, might be a good place to start

    That very well may happen…as far as the Church is concerned this is a war on it’s tenets…sorry they will not back down from this.


  75. 75 | February 14, 2012 5:19 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Macker wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Which Kennedy are you referring to? All four of the Kennedy Brothers are dead, do you mean the next generation?

    most of the dead ones at least

    Then if I understand you correctly, you’re asking for De-Kennedyization. Is that right?
    Um…isn’t that kind of…Communistic?


  76. eaglesoars
    76 | February 14, 2012 5:20 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    If the ‘Greens’ want to force a ‘one child policy’ on this Country, then it’s time to take up arms and fight the bastards.

    How about a NO child policy for ‘undesirables’?


  77. Lily
    77 | February 14, 2012 5:20 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    I don’t think this will happen. At all. He is not taking on a Catholic person re ..Kennedy…He is taking on the Catholic Church.

    i see no evidence of this happening, but i hope you are right

    It is happening.


  78. coldwarrior
    78 | February 14, 2012 5:20 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Note a chance. He’d lose the Sebelius/Planned Parenthood demo.

    who else would they vote for?

    they have no choice. unlike half of the catholics who vote dem


  79. 79 | February 14, 2012 5:20 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Didn’t John Paul The Great do that with some priests in South America? (not sure if they were jesuits)

    There, fixed that for ya! 8)


  80. coldwarrior
    80 | February 14, 2012 5:21 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    a few very public excommunications and removal of those jesuits who are into social justice and liberation theology,
    Didn’t John Paul do that with some priests in South America? (not sure if they were jesuits)

    yes


  81. Lily
    81 | February 14, 2012 5:21 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I wonder if The Pope will specifically address this issue about Обама?

    I have no idea. But I am sure he is very aware of what is going on..and is issuing things to the Cardinals and the Bishops concerning this…will he something public…probably, but I don’t know.


  82. coldwarrior
    82 | February 14, 2012 5:22 pm

    Macker wrote:

    Then if I understand you correctly, you’re asking for De-Kennedyization. Is that right?
    Um…isn’t that kind of…Communistic?

    what are you talking about?


  83. Da_Beerfreak
    83 | February 14, 2012 5:23 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    If the ‘Greens’ want to force a ‘one child policy’ on this Country, then it’s time to take up arms and fight the bastards.
    How about a NO child policy for ‘undesirables’?

    Same difference, I’m not worried about the small details. We know who the real ‘undesirables’ are… :twisted:


  84. Lily
    84 | February 14, 2012 5:24 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Note a chance. He’d lose the Sebelius/Planned Parenthood demo.

    who else would they vote for?

    they have no choice. unlike half of the catholics who vote dem

    And of those the dem voting Catholic’s they will side with the Church.
    bho is not making any friends or voters for him by doing this.


  85. coldwarrior
    85 | February 14, 2012 5:25 pm

    Lily wrote:

    And of those the dem voting Catholic’s they will side with the Church.
    bho is not making any friends or voters for him by doing this.

    i certainly hope so, november will tell the tale.


  86. eaglesoars
    86 | February 14, 2012 5:25 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    who else would they vote for?

    Point taken.

    Macker wrote:

    There, fixed that for ya!

    much appreciated! :lol:


  87. 87 | February 14, 2012 5:26 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Checka U E-mail!


  88. Lily
    88 | February 14, 2012 5:27 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    And of those the dem voting Catholic’s they will side with the Church.
    bho is not making any friends or voters for him by doing this.

    i certainly hope so, november will tell the tale.

    All I had to do was ask my liberal dem voting Catholic mother. She stands by the church. The Pope we have now has been moving the Church towards a more conservative stance. It is very noticable in the Masses.


  89. 89 | February 14, 2012 5:28 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I was hoping you didn’t mind. Being a Lutheran, I always admired John Paul The Great. I wish I could have met him while he was alive. I would have poured my heart out to him.
    He was a Man of God, and I know he rests in Heaven now, and always.


  90. coldwarrior
    90 | February 14, 2012 5:29 pm

    Lily wrote:

    All I had to do was ask my liberal dem voting Catholic mother. She stands by the church.

    its february, the vote is in november, i hope you are right,


  91. Lily
    91 | February 14, 2012 5:32 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    All I had to do was ask my liberal dem voting Catholic mother. She stands by the church.

    its february, the vote is in november, i hope you are right,

    Yes it is early. I hope I am right too. But I really am counting on bho doubling down on this..and I do think he will. This will be a huge mistake.


  92. eaglesoars
    92 | February 14, 2012 5:34 pm

    Macker wrote:

    Being a Lutheran

    I was also confirmed in the Lutheran Church (Missouri Synod, no less). I’m no longer a Christian -- if I had my druthers I’d convert to Judaism. And I am in total agreement with you re: JP. When you find out how he fought Communism, it is awe inspiring.

    But I think Pope Ben is on his way to also being a great pope. I like him a lot. He ‘gets’ Islam, that’s for sure.


  93. eaglesoars
    93 | February 14, 2012 5:36 pm

    uh oh. somebody tell dorian

    Issa preparing to hold Holder in contempt?


  94. 94 | February 14, 2012 5:39 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I was raised in the WELS tradition. Strict folks for sure. Way too strict: after my father passed away in 1991, the church wouldn’t do shit for my mom. I got pissed and left. I am with ELCA for now, but chances are good that the next time I move, I might try and find a LCMS church in my intended destination.
    And isn’t it interesting how both John Paul The Great AND Benedict XVI have actually had to take a dump in the forest (one as a member of the Polish Resistance, the other as a draftee into the Wehrmacht), thus bringing to fruition Steve Martin’s famous comedy question: “Is a Bear Catholic? Does The Pope shit in the woods?”


  95. Lily
    95 | February 14, 2012 5:39 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    uh oh. somebody tell dorian

    Issa preparing to hold Holder in contempt?

    I really hope this administration’s house of cards all come tumbling down at once where there is no way of spinning it’s marxist intentions.


  96. eaglesoars
    96 | February 14, 2012 5:40 pm

    Daily Caller has the school lunch story

    The newspaper reported that the four-year-old girl brought a turkey and cheese sandwich, a banana, potato chips and apple juice in her packed lunch from home. That meal didn’t meet with approval from the government agent who was on site inspecting kids’ lunches that day.

    The Department of Health and Human Services’ Division of Child Development and Early Education requires that all lunches served in pre-kindergarten programs must meet USDA guidelines. Meals, the guidelines say, must include one serving each of meat, milk and grain and two servings of fruit or vegetables. Those guidelines apply to home-packed lunches as well as cafeteria meals.


  97. 97 | February 14, 2012 5:43 pm

    Lily wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    uh oh. somebody tell dorian

    Issa preparing to hold Holder in contempt?

    I really hope this administration’s house of cards all come tumbling down at once where there is no way of spinning it’s marxist intentions.

    Would it help if this were to occur as close to the Election as possible?


  98. eaglesoars
    98 | February 14, 2012 5:43 pm

    Macker wrote:

    And isn’t it interesting how both John Paul The Great AND Benedict XVI have actually had to take a dump in the forest (one as a member of the Polish Resistance, the other as a draftee into the Wehrmacht),

    Contrast w/Soros who turned in fellow jews w/the justification “If I handn’t done it, somebody else would have”.

    Yeah, well ‘somebody else’ ain’t going have to answer to G-d for that one, sparky


  99. Lily
    99 | February 14, 2012 5:44 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Daily Caller has the school lunch story

    The newspaper reported that the four-year-old girl brought a turkey and cheese sandwich, a banana, potato chips and apple juice in her packed lunch from home. That meal didn’t meet with approval from the government agent who was on site inspecting kids’ lunches that day.

    The Department of Health and Human Services’ Division of Child Development and Early Education requires that all lunches served in pre-kindergarten programs must meet USDA guidelines. Meals, the guidelines say, must include one serving each of meat, milk and grain and two servings of fruit or vegetables. Those guidelines apply to home-packed lunches as well as cafeteria meals.

    This is insanity!!!!!!!!!!! I don’t even know where to begin. Who in the hell gave the USDA the right to dictate what the hell we eat? Oh right bho administration. This has got to stop … we are wasting money on this nonsense????? Unbelieveable.


  100. eaglesoars
    100 | February 14, 2012 5:45 pm

    Macker wrote:

    Would it help if this were to occur as close to the Election as possible?

    No. The Dems would spin it as election strategy by the GOP (and so would the media). It has to happen with enough lead time to ‘steep’ in the general public’s idea of what the O admin is all about.


  101. eaglesoars
    101 | February 14, 2012 5:48 pm

    Lily wrote:

    I don’t even know where to begin. Who in the hell gave the USDA the right to dictate what the hell we eat? Oh right bho administration

    I don’t know if this was given by the bho admin. But go look at my #17 where I wrote

    His anti-Christianity is a symptom, not the cause. The cause is a totalitarian, nihilistic ideology. The Catholic Church is a target because it supports a strong family unit and provides services that compete with the gov’t, thereby decreasing the population that the gov’t can haul into slavery.

    Next up – the family unit itself. There is a reason they’re going after food in the schools and the military.


  102. Da_Beerfreak
    102 | February 14, 2012 5:51 pm

    Lily wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Daily Caller has the school lunch story
    The newspaper reported that the four-year-old girl brought a turkey and cheese sandwich, a banana, potato chips and apple juice in her packed lunch from home. That meal didn’t meet with approval from the government agent who was on site inspecting kids’ lunches that day.
    The Department of Health and Human Services’ Division of Child Development and Early Education requires that all lunches served in pre-kindergarten programs must meet USDA guidelines. Meals, the guidelines say, must include one serving each of meat, milk and grain and two servings of fruit or vegetables. Those guidelines apply to home-packed lunches as well as cafeteria meals.

    This is insanity!!!!!!!!!!! I don’t even know where to begin. Who in the hell gave the USDA the right to dictate what the hell we eat? Oh right bho administration. This has got to stop … we are wasting money on this nonsense????? Unbelieveable.

    This happened at a preschool. It’s all about teaching young kids how to stay out of trouble and live a happy life in a police state. :evil:


  103. Lily
    103 | February 14, 2012 5:53 pm

    Macker wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    uh oh. somebody tell dorian

    Issa preparing to hold Holder in contempt?

    I really hope this administration’s house of cards all come tumbling down at once where there is no way of spinning it’s marxist intentions.

    Would it help if this were to occur as close to the Election as possible?

    Pray for it to happen around Election time. With what bho is doing to this country and now taking on the Catholic Church…pregnancy is a disease???????? I always come around to the builder’s of the titanic.
    And I know it is a legend….they declared it unsinkable even by God.
    But one this is not a legend…they never christened. bho thinks he is unsinable.


  104. eaglesoars
    104 | February 14, 2012 5:54 pm

    I have a tech question re this blog. Sometimes when I roll my cursor over an emoticon, the code for it shows. Other times not.

    Today it’s NOT.

    What gives?


  105. eaglesoars
    105 | February 14, 2012 5:56 pm

    Lily wrote:

    pregnancy is a disease

    Insurance policies have always said something to the effect ‘Pregnancy is cover like an illness’ some of them are dumb enough to write “like any OTHER illness” but I’ve seen that verbiage for years.


  106. Lily
    106 | February 14, 2012 5:58 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    They seem to be going after everything….guns, religion, food, even to the point of making sugar a drug (really, mess with my damn soda’s and there will be hell to pay), cuts in the military, the family unit, pregnancy as a disease…the list is growing.
    No he is NOT Christian and I do believe this plays into what he is doing. His extreme dislike for the Jewish people, Israel, Christians. These are opening salvo’s to his war against what the United States stands for.
    Who he really worships is an evil old dead man Alinsky.


  107. Lily
    107 | February 14, 2012 6:00 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    I am sure the parents are very happy that they are policing what their children eat at a pre-school no less. I would be extremely ticked if this happened to my child.


  108. Lily
    108 | February 14, 2012 6:01 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I have a tech question re this blog. Sometimes when I roll my cursor over an emoticon, the code for it shows. Other times not.

    Today it’s NOT.

    What gives?

    I have never noticed. ;) So many things slip by me.


  109. eaglesoars
    109 | February 14, 2012 6:01 pm

    Lily wrote:

    They seem to be going after everything….guns,

    Imagine this. Your health insurance costs increase dramatically for every gun in your house.

    Who he really worships is an evil old dead man Alinsky.

    Alinsky is just his Clauswitz. He worships nihilism.


  110. Da_Beerfreak
    110 | February 14, 2012 6:03 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    I am sure the parents are very happy that they are policing what their children eat at a pre-school no less. I would be extremely ticked if this happened to my child.

    They are also trying to teach that the Government is always right and the Parents are always wrong. All Hail the State… :evil:


  111. Lily
    111 | February 14, 2012 6:05 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    He worships nihilism.

    Search Results

    ni·hil·ism/ˈnīəˌlizəm/

    Noun:

    1.The rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless.
    2.Extreme skepticism, according to which nothing in the world has a real existence.

    Who in there right mind would even consider this. But I agree with you this sums up bho to a tee. evil.


  112. Lily
    112 | February 14, 2012 6:07 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    The only thing I can hope for is that Americans get p*ssed at this crap…..we are on such a slippery slope right now.


  113. eaglesoars
    113 | February 14, 2012 6:10 pm

    Lily wrote:

    1.The rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless.

    A better definition is that life has no INHERENT meaning. Which gives anyone free rein to ‘decide’ what is meaningful, e.g. ‘social justice’.


  114. Da_Beerfreak
    114 | February 14, 2012 6:10 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    The only thing I can hope for is that Americans get p*ssed at this crap…..we are on such a slippery slope right now.

    Unfortunately all too many ‘parents’ are more then happy to let the State take care of their kids. :evil:


  115. Lily
    115 | February 14, 2012 6:29 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    1.The rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless.

    A better definition is that life has no INHERENT meaning. Which gives anyone free rein to ‘decide’ what is meaningful, e.g. ‘social justice’.

    And what if they person who ‘decides’ what is meaningful is inherently soul-less????


  116. eaglesoars
    116 | February 14, 2012 6:34 pm

    Lily wrote:

    And what if they person who ‘decides’ what is meaningful is inherently soul-less????

    You’re getting it. Keep on going there…………


  117. yenta-fada
    117 | February 14, 2012 6:48 pm

    Moochelle “controls” her kids with a set diet.

    http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/michelle-obamas-daughters-malia-and-sasha-have-a-set-diet-2012102

    UNLIKE HERSELF


  118. RIX
    118 | February 14, 2012 6:54 pm

    I just got a chance to log on. I am very happy to
    see the Orthodox Bishops closing ranks with the Catholic
    Church.
    They are after our freedoms & we are all in it together.


  119. Bumr50
    119 | February 14, 2012 6:56 pm

    OT -- My totally awesome Valentines Day Dinner:

    Fire Roasted Poblano Chile Relleno
    with Spanish Drunken Goats’ Cheese & Velvety Wine Sauce

    “Ron’s Elegant”
    Gorgonzola, Pancetta, Pecans, Cranberries,
    Potato Croutons & Balsamic Vinaigrette

    Pan-Seared Scottish Salmon seduced with a Blueberry-Mango Salsa

    Too full for dessert.

    From here.

    Not that anyone cares, I’m just SO happy with my meal…


  120. Lily
    120 | February 14, 2012 6:57 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    And what if they person who ‘decides’ what is meaningful is inherently soul-less????

    You’re getting it. Keep on going there…………

    It is not a good ending for sure.


  121. Bumr50
    121 | February 14, 2012 6:59 pm

    @ RIX:

    All religions should be outraged.

    ALL of them.

    We need voices on the right, IN OFFICE, to stand up and say that this has nothing to do with contraception and everything to do with freedom.


  122. Lily
    122 | February 14, 2012 7:00 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I just got a chance to log on. I am very happy to
    see the Orthodox Bishops closing ranks with the Catholic
    Church.
    They are after our freedoms & we are all in it together.

    I think more and more Christian Churches will start closing in ranks with the Catholic Bishops. Excatly which Christian religion believes it takes orders from the government and nor it’s religious tenets???? If they go after the Catholic Church, every other Christian denomination is up for grabs.


  123. Lily
    123 | February 14, 2012 7:04 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Moochelle “controls” her kids with a set diet.

    http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/michelle-obamas-daughters-malia-and-sasha-have-a-set-diet-2012102

    UNLIKE HERSELF

    Yes and when they grow up and are out from under their dominating mother they will gorge themselves on everything they were deprived from. Their children don’t seem very happy.


  124. eaglesoars
    124 | February 14, 2012 7:04 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Not that anyone cares, I’m just SO happy with my meal…

    Wow. That tapas menu looks great. I think I’ll have the Jumbo Lump Crab & Buffalo Mozzarella Hoelzel on Toasted Olive Foccacia


  125. RIX
    125 | February 14, 2012 7:05 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    I had Rush on today & he was reminding everybody that
    Stephanoplous went weird at a Republican Debate,
    astroturfing contraception as an issue.
    It was a WTF? moment.
    you can see at it was a set up for Obama
    breaking bad on the Church. Now they are calling
    it a war on women & Redpublicans want to outlaw
    contraception.
    This is Axlerod & Ploff sleaze.
    It is war on he Church & faith in general.


  126. RIX
    126 | February 14, 2012 7:08 pm

    @ Lily:

    Yes and when they grow up and are out from under their dominating mother they will gorge themselves on everything they were deprived from. Their children don’t seem very happy.

    Heck, even the dog wants out.
    Michelle on nutrition is like Dillinger on
    bank security.


  127. eaglesoars
    127 | February 14, 2012 7:10 pm

    @ RIX:

    He was citing Dick Morris’ theory that this was a set up. It hadn’t occured to me before, but I think there’s something to it.

    Newsbusters has it.

    And the reliably insane Andrew Sullivan says the Catholic bishops set a trap for Obama


  128. Bumr50
    128 | February 14, 2012 7:10 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    It’s a converted dive bar!

    They made the “pool area” into a dining room.

    The urinals still flush with a lit poker machine button above them!

    It’s an interesting joint.

    The chef is amazing!

    Chef Rick Rivero, born in Spain, traveled extensively
    throughout culinary Europe and America; listening,
    learning and developing new concepts and ideas.


  129. Lily
    129 | February 14, 2012 7:11 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    I had Rush on today & he was reminding everybody that
    Stephanoplous went weird at a Republican Debate,
    astroturfing contraception as an issue.
    It was a WTF? moment.
    you can see at it was a set up for Obama
    breaking bad on the Church. Now they are calling
    it a war on women & Redpublicans want to outlaw
    contraception.
    This is Axlerod & Ploff sleaze.
    It is war on he Church & faith in general.

    They are really trying to spin this in favor of bho aren’t they???
    No what this is all about is bho telling the Churches what to do. It has nothing to do with outlawing contraceptives….besides people have been able to those free for a very long time at any clinic…it is about forcing the Catholic Church to do something that is against it’s tenets.


  130. eaglesoars
    130 | February 14, 2012 7:13 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    And the reliably insane Andrew Sullivan says the Catholic bishops set a trap for Obama

    the screen capture of Chris Matthews in a face/palm moment is priceless.


  131. Lily
    131 | February 14, 2012 7:15 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Yes and when they grow up and are out from under their dominating mother they will gorge themselves on everything they were deprived from. Their children don’t seem very happy.

    Heck, even the dog wants out.
    Michelle on nutrition is like Dillinger on
    bank security.

    When I was younger I had two friends whose mother insisted on being very nurtrious….on Easter they would get a basket of fruit. They would come to my house to eat the candy I got in my Easter Basket.
    As I grew up I liked candy but never over ate it. My two friends would gorge themselves with candy every chance they could get.


  132. eaglesoars
    132 | February 14, 2012 7:15 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    The chef is amazing!

    I saw that. Ever wonder how these guys end up in Gibsonia?


  133. Lily
    133 | February 14, 2012 7:17 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Why in the world would the Bishops set a trap for obamma????


  134. RIX
    134 | February 14, 2012 7:17 pm

    @ Lily:

    They are really trying to spin this in favor of bho aren’t they???
    No what this is all about is bho telling the Churches what to do. It has nothing to do with outlawing contraceptives….besides people have been able to those free for a very long time at any clinic…it is about forcing the Catholic Church to do something that is against it’s tenets

    Oddly enough, I tie the war on faith in with the outrages at
    TSA airport screening areas.
    Stay with me, there are by definition molestations
    of children & the elderly etc. , I have witnessed it.
    Now a war on the Church.
    I am convinced that this is to see how much tolerance we
    have to lose our liberties.


  135. eaglesoars
    135 | February 14, 2012 7:19 pm

    Lily wrote:

    on Easter they would get a basket of fruit

    NOT OUR MOM!!

    The woman spent DAYS writing clues for us to find the stuff for our Easter baskets. Major scavenger hunt. And we ALWAYS got this HUGE chocolate bunny. Then we’d get dressed up in our Easter hats -- which she always let us choose ourselves and off to church.

    The only thing she did was ration the stuff. Only so much a day. Same with the Halloween haul. We didn’t care.


  136. RIX
    136 | February 14, 2012 7:20 pm

    @ Lily:

    As I grew up I liked candy but never over ate it. My two friends would gorge themselves with candy every chance they could get.

    Human nature. You have to let kids eat candy, unless
    they are putting on too much weight.
    It’s part of being a kid.


  137. eaglesoars
    137 | February 14, 2012 7:20 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    Why in the world would the Bishops set a trap for obamma????

    heh. just look at the screen capture of Matthews. It’s just Sullivan being reliably insane.


  138. Lily
    138 | February 14, 2012 7:20 pm

    @ RIX:

    You are very right! I posted an article by Cal Thomas that addressed just that..Losing Liberty post #48


  139. eaglesoars
    139 | February 14, 2012 7:22 pm

    RIX wrote:

    the outrages at
    TSA airport screening areas.

    The TSA is an incubator for perversion. Under the direction of the state, some of these people could become quite useful


  140. Lily
    140 | February 14, 2012 7:23 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:

    As I grew up I liked candy but never over ate it. My two friends would gorge themselves with candy every chance they could get.

    Human nature. You have to let kids eat candy, unless
    they are putting on too much weight.
    It’s part of being a kid.

    This was in the 70′s too!!!
    /now days kids can’t even be kids anymore.


  141. RIX
    141 | February 14, 2012 7:25 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:
    You are very right! I posted an article by Cal Thomas that addressed just that..Losing Liberty post #48

    Good points in the article. I think that we are at a
    crossroad & if we go on the wrong path in 2012, God
    help us.


  142. Bumr50
    142 | February 14, 2012 7:26 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Aha.

    Rick is head chef and worked at Rico’s in Ross for more than 20 years prior to fulfilling his dream of opening his own restaurant.


  143. RIX
    143 | February 14, 2012 7:26 pm

    @ Lily:

    This was in the 70′s too!!!
    /now days kids can’t even be kids anymore

    Gotta let them be kids. It’s over too soon.


  144. RIX
    144 | February 14, 2012 7:27 pm

    Later. Everybody have a great evening.


  145. Lily
    145 | February 14, 2012 7:30 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:
    You are very right! I posted an article by Cal Thomas that addressed just that..Losing Liberty post #48

    Good points in the article. I think that we are at a
    crossroad & if we go on the wrong path in 2012, God
    help us.

    It really is rather scary..May God have mercy on us. I think obamma is going to run a ‘scorched earth’ campaign. If he wins we lose, if he loses we lose..I can just see the riots.


  146. eaglesoars
    146 | February 14, 2012 7:35 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    Aha.

    Rick is head chef and worked at Rico’s in Ross for more than 20 years prior to fulfilling his dream of opening his own restaurant.

    You know I am just in awe of people who leave everything they know and just dig in a MAKE it.

    In my neck of the woods, I’ve come to admire the Koreans SO MUCH. They just BUST their asses and ask for nada. I’m pretty sure I could not do what they have done.

    Hell, I spent 16 days in Spain, and altho I loved it, I was so homesick I cried when I got home.


  147. Bumr50
    147 | February 14, 2012 7:46 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    The restaurant is very conservative friendly, and Christian symbols and verses are throughout the bar and restaurant.

    I’ll bet he’s pretty saddened to see what is happening in the country that gave him this opportunity.


  148. eaglesoars
    148 | February 14, 2012 7:49 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    I’ll bet he’s pretty saddened to see what is happening in the country that gave him this opportunity.

    Still better than being in Spain. Their numbers are apocolyptic.


  149. Bumr50
    149 | February 14, 2012 7:54 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    In fact the The Ten Commandments are posted at the front door.


  150. eaglesoars
    150 | February 14, 2012 8:02 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    In fact the The Ten Commandments are posted at the front door.

    Where’s the ACLU?

    gotta go. tonite is my NCIS nite


  151. Da_Beerfreak
    151 | February 14, 2012 8:25 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    the outrages at
    TSA airport screening areas.
    The TSA is an incubator for perversion. Under the direction of the state, some of these people could become quite useful

    The so called Department of Homeland Security is the cornerstone of the New American Police State. Baby Bush laid the foundation and Idi Obama has been building on it like a madman since taking power. :evil:


  152. 152 | February 14, 2012 11:32 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    there is no reason why there has to a separate orthodox churches in the US anymore. the ethnic reason for it died off 20 or so years ago now the parishes are either dwindling or are full of non-ethnic orthodox converts or orthodox from other parishes. so by unifying what is already a unified teaching and dogma, the American orthodox church will be stronger, more viable, and on better financial footing.
    it is better to take ‘orders’ from a metropolitan in america than the metropol in say moscow or belgrade.

    There are several good reasons, most historical, why there are several Eastern Orthodox administrations in the US, Canada, Latin America and the like. Ethnicity is not even the main reason for the continued practice, although it does further complicate things.

    However, your post does tend to reinforce a serious misconception about Orthodoxy that many people have. Since the Catholics have a Pope and the Southern Baptist Conference has an elected leader and other churches have similar hierarchies, we assume that Orthodox Church, with all its various bishops with various impressive titles must have a similar structure. However, that appearance is somewhat deceptive.

    In the Orthodox Church ALL Bishops are equal in rank, despite their varying fancy titles. However, whenever you have a group of Bishops, you will have a “first amongst equals.” At a meeting, the “first amongst equals” would be offered the chairmanship. (Check Chapter 15 of the Book of Acts for an example of such a meeting.) Each Orthodox country has an ongoing “first amongst equals” who is an administrative leader. However, to your rank and file Orthodox Christian, only the priest and the bishop over him is relevant. Just as a hospital administrator does not dictate how a doctor does his surgery, a Metropolitan, Patriarch nor any other “first amongst equals” does not interfere in the pastoral care that any Bishop provides.

    No Metropolitan (or any name given to a “first amongst equals”) ever give orders and any Bishop who would “take orders” does not have a very good grasp on the Orthodox Church. In fact, one would wonder how such an individual would become an Orthodox Bishop in the first place.

    All countries with an Orthodox presences are in one of three states. In Russia, Serbia, Greece, Georgia, Romania, “Czech Lands and Slovakia” and the like, the Church is Autocephalous, meaning it is completely independent. If the Orthodox presence in minimal, there may be no Bishop living in that country or, if Bishops do live in the country, they are directly connected to their home country. There is an in between state known as “Autonomous.” Finland, Japan and the Ukraine, etc. are examples of Autonomous Churches.

    An Autonomous Church is completely independent with one exception. All Autonomous Churches look to their mother church for the selection of their “first amongst equals” Bishop. This is about as far as “taking orders from a metropolitan” as the East is from the West.

    The American Orthodox Churches are all, at a minimum, Autonomous. The lone exception, the Orthodox Church of America (OCA)is considered by some to be Autocephalous and to others it is Autonomous with Moscow being its Autocephalous mother church.

    The fact that the various Orthodox administrations cannot even agree on the status of OCA demonstrates the fact that we are not ready for a single administration in North America at this time.


  153. 153 | February 14, 2012 11:59 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Moochelle “controls” her kids with a set diet.
    http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/michelle-obamas-daughters-malia-and-sasha-have-a-set-diet-2012102
    UNLIKE HERSELF

    She hates all people, including her kids.

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    As I grew up I liked candy but never over ate it. My two friends would gorge themselves with candy every chance they could get.
    Human nature. You have to let kids eat candy, unless
    they are putting on too much weight.
    It’s part of being a kid.

    Yep. If the parents are cold-hearted control freaks, the kids will either become rebellious later on, or too depressed to function.


  154. 154 | February 15, 2012 12:03 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I don’t think I’ve mentioned this before. Politically, I’m pro-choice. Why? Because if the gov’t can tell you you MUST give birth, it can also say you CANNOT give birth.

    This is a very important point and--unfortunately--too few of us in the pro-life movement take heed of your warning.

    Of course, I am unswayed. I have been consistently pro-life since 1984. Yet, your point, that the federal government has far too much power is well taken.

    State sovereignty and State’s rights are the ONLY answers to this dilemma. Roe v. Wade 410 U.S. 113 was a serious violation of the 10th Amendment.

    I use the Confederate flag as an icon for a reason. While, there are abuses of power on the State level, as well, defending ourselves from the dictates of the federal behemoth in Washington, D.C. is far more difficult.

    The debate on abortion should be a State-by-State debate. Anything else is pure federal tyranny.


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