The tank battles on the Golan Heights between Israel and Syria in 1973 were the greatest tank battles of all time. Given the disparity of forces and the small terrain in which they were fought, they far surpass the armored Battle of Prokhorokva during the Kursk Offensive of July 1943. It was miraculous for Israel that her brave tankers (outnumbered by at times 20 -1) were able to hold off the massive Syrian armored attacks. Syria was using primarily Soviet built T-62 tanks while the Israelis used British Centurions (a superior tank in my opinion), yet using Soviet operational doctrine, the Syrians felt that numbers would overcome quality and Israeli training and they almost did. The epic Battle of the Valley of Tears saved Northern Israel.
MORE WAR PRON!
marry me………..
eaglesoars wrote:
Love war porn!
It has got to be unimaginable terror to be wounded in a burning tank and hoping that your crew can get you out of the twisted turret.
Speranza wrote:
My Uncle Ray served with Patton. His tank got hit somewhere in Belgium, I think. He was the only survivor. He spent a year in the burn unit in a hospital in Philly.
eaglesoars wrote:
The M4 Sherman was a death trap.
The Israeli built Merkava 4 is designed primarily for crew protection. A well trained tank crew being (rightfully) considered to be more valuable then a tank.
The Syrians adopted Soviet tactics of masses of tanks.
Is this going to be another slow starting evening?
Speranza wrote:
It seems to me the soviet’s tactic was always the same. Mass the tanks, mass the soldiers. I heard a story, probably apocraphyl, that after the war, an American commander asked Zhukov how he cleared mine fields. Zhukov said he marched a penal battalion thru it, ‘how did you clear them?”
Speranza wrote:
Worried your thread is going to tank?
eaglesoars wrote:
The Soviets did have penal battalions which pretty much were used to do things like that. Stalin said it takes a brave man to be a coward in the Red Army.
The Osprey wrote:
It wont. Even if I have to do all the comments and talk to myself.
@ Speranza:
Uncle Joe had so much in common with Hitler, it is a wonder
that they fought each other.
My knowledge of tanks is limited to my Merc Grand Marquis.
At least 158,000 Red Army soldiers were executed for “cowardice” or “desertion” during World War II. During the Stalingrad battle allegedly 14,000 were shot – almost the equivalent of two Rifle Divisions.
Moe Katz wrote:
Talk about a gas guzzler!
RIX wrote:
Well, of course, they didn’t fight each other at the beginning of the war.
RIX wrote:
Often times people “break up” because of things that they have in common rather then differences.
@ Speranza:
The perfect geezer-mobile. The clock comes on when you start it up to tell you the day and date.
There was a “Greatest Tank Battles” segment on the Military Channel this weekend which featured a tank battle in Desert Storm… Abrams v T-72. I didn’t know it, but the T-72 gun turret revolved purely by manual hand crank. Of course that was the least of their worries. Those crews were toast before they knew our guys were even in the vicinity.
Hitler-Himmler -Ribbentrop – Gestapo/S.S.
Stalin-Beria-Molotov-N.K.V.D.
Pretty much interchangeable.
huckfunn wrote:
T-72′s had no chance against Abrams tanks.
Moe Katz wrote:
31 years ago a girlfriend had one – we were constantly filling up the gas tank.
@ Speranza:
Mine’s fuel a injected 302 cu in and it’s actually no worse than a typical SUV.
The most dangerous tank of WWII was the German Tiger – however it was over engineered and also was a gas guzzler. Only 1300 were built. However in combat it was the king of the battlefield.
Moe Katz wrote:
In those days gas was under $2.00.
Speranza wrote:
I think he said it takes a brave man to RETREAT in the Red Army.
Speranza wrote:
There are no good numbers on that. The – I don’t know what to call it – commissars? – that were sent into the field to fish out deserters, whiners, etc., would order men to be shot in front of their comrades for complaining about the cold.
Those commissars had to create reasons for their worth. Kinda like the EPA finding pollution where there is none.
@ Moe Katz:
No , they had a non agression pact, but rats can’t
trust each other.
@ Speranza:
Mine’s actually a smaller chassis than the one you refer to. It’s like the NYC cabs and all those police cruisers.
@ RIX:
And poor Poland, whipsawed between them…
Speranza wrote:
I’m not sure the Abrams has any competition anywhere on the planet. The closest would be the German Leopard or the Israeli Merkava but the Abrams would win.
@ Speranza:
Excellent observation and so true in this case.
huckfunn wrote:
LOL! I don’t know if you saw it but last night I told the story of Hubby taking me to Aberdeen to see tanks when we were dating (he was with the Big Red One). There was a WW II Soviet tank there. The gear shift was on the outside. Just one big lever. You hit it with a sledge hammer to change direction.
@ eaglesoars:
Speranza wrote:
American troops used to call it the Ronson lighter because as they used to say… “lights first time, every time.”
Moe Katz wrote:
I sold my 501 cube 74 Cadillac about 5 months ago. I think on its best day it would get about 8 mpg.
RIX wrote:
I was thinking of Charles Johnson and a woman blogger who is the object of his obsessive hatred.
Speranza wrote:
Yup, pretty damned hard to have a chance against something that has already killed you before you even know it’s there.
huckfunn wrote:
I drove one of those for a boss of mine, and I do remember the wonderful ride.
@ Speranza:
Pam is Cj’s obsssion followed by Dana Loesh.
huckfunn wrote:
My dad had an Eldorado with the 501 in it, might have been a 74. Front wheel drive, pretty bad ass, and man could that car haul ass.
doriangrey wrote:
You are absolutely correct although I think I heard it said on a documentary that the German troops gave it that nickname. The armor was too thin, the silhouette too high and the gun not powerful enough to penetrate the German Panzer IV, Panther and Tiger tanks. Yet it could be produced in masses (over 54,000 built) that the Germans could only envy. It was built not to fight other tanks but more as an infantry support weapon. General McNair (the head of ordinance) felt that anti-tank guns could tank on German tanks.
eaglesoars wrote:
The Soviets were such masters of elegant design. I remember when that Soviet pilot flew his “state of the art” MIG 29 or 30 to Japan from Vladavostok or somewhere. It was supposed to be the absolute cat’s ass fighter of the age. When our guys took it apart and compared it to our planes, the thing was basically built out of bricks and 2 by 4′s.
RIX wrote:
CJ is an obsession looking for a victim to latch onto.
doriangrey wrote:
Lots of torque steer, though, if you had a heavy foot.
RIX wrote:
It really is pathetic. R.S. McCain referred to him by his Lakota Sioux name as “He who fights with girls”.
Moe Katz wrote:
Where Europe went to fight its wars.
The Poles are tough people.
RIX wrote:
followed by Glenn Beck, Ron Paul!, Fox News, yadda yadda yadda.
RIX wrote:
The Poles were in the worst neighborhood possible – between Hitler and Stalin.
Speranza wrote:
Very appropriate.
OT
BTW did anyone give David Frum his Douche Bag of the Year Award 2012?
I believe he is the earliest winner.
@ Moe Katz:
@ doriangrey:
That Caddy was a great ride. The fuel tank was about as big as my bladder as it needed a re-fill about every 2 beers; High test being the preference.
Probably was a T-34.
@ Speranza:
It wasn’t until the M-1 that the US finally had a superior tank.
unclassifiable wrote:
Ace of Spades took him part today. Frum is a bum. Along with David Brock, Arianna Huffington, Andrew Sullivan and CJ – he is a turn coat.
@ <a href="#co_984656" title="Go to comment of this
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The Poles were in the worst neighborhood possible – between Hitler and Stalin.
That’s a fact. If only they could hav moved to California
or the Carolinas or someplace nice,/
Rodan wrote:
Actually the M-48 and M-60 Patton’s were damned good. The British Centurion (the one the Israelis used on the Golan Heights) was also an excellent tank.
Speranza wrote:
Yea, like I said the other night, about the only television I watch anymore is the History and Military Channels. Although I must confess I am very impatiently awaiting the second season of “Falling Skies”…
The Battle of the Valley of Tears is probably one of the greatest stands in military history. My hats off to the IDF who against all odds beta off the Syrian assault.
RIX wrote:
Polish soldiers fought gallantly in North Afirca, Italy and France.
@ doriangrey:
Same here, that show is awesome!
Rodan wrote:
The odds against them were incredible.
@ Speranza:
In the 1500 and 1600′s the Polish Hussars was probably the best Calvary force.
doriangrey wrote:
The Military Channel is what the History Channel used to be. Nowadays The History Channel is utter crapola – Pawn Stars, Modern Marvels, American Pickers, Axemen, etc.
@ Speranza:
Its right up there with Thermapole. Although the Israelis triumph as opposed to the Spartans who eventually lost.
Rodan wrote:
Poles and Czechs – excellent soldiers.
@ Speranza:
H2 is better.
unclassifiable wrote:
Ace did a wonderful takedown.
I have one more video to watch and then I have a military question.
odd they had no air support?
Rodan wrote:
It was a damned close thing in1 973, they were down to a handful of tanks.
@ Speranza:
One of the reason Hitler wanted Czechoslovakia was to get the Skoda arms factory.
Speranza wrote:
Hey… I like modern marvels…
And the shows about Rodan’s ancestors, you know, the ancient aliens… 
brookly red wrote:
They did have some air support however the Soviet made AAM made it difficult.
@ brookly red:
IAF was busy over the Sinai.
@ doriangrey:
Ancient Aliens is now on H2.
doriangrey wrote:
Yeah but Modern Marvels is not history. They also used to have “American Eats”. They rarely have good old fashioned documentaries.
Rodan wrote:
H2 is better then the History Channel. H2 used to be called History International.
Rodan wrote:
Oh and I love when they show the “How Beer Saved the World” show too…
Rodan wrote:
Which he did. The Czechs made excellent weapons.
@ Speranza:
Yes they used to have awesome documentaries by foreign channels.
@ Speranza:
The interesting thing about Czechs is that they are biologically Slavs, but culturally Southern Germanic like Austrian or Bavarian. 1000 years of Hapsburg rule is the reason.
Rodan wrote:
I used to love the ones about medieval Europe.
Rodan wrote:
I was in Prague in 2008, the Czechs look Germanic.
Speranza wrote:
Well, actually modern marvels started out a historical documentary series based on mechanical technology. If you can catch the early episodes they basically walk you through the industrial revolution by depicting the evolution of machine technology.
@ Speranza:
Intermarriage and cultural influence. For all their faults, the Austrian Hapsburgs were benevolent rulers.
@ doriangrey:
Yes, they used to explain how technological advances came about.
doriangrey wrote:
I used to like when they had “In Search of History”. My favorite was the documentary they had on The Borgia’s.
Rodan wrote:
Franz Joseph was well loved.
@ Speranza:
Yes they did.
Rodan wrote:
Yup they have one episode that I really love, it’s all about the evolution of grinding machines, mills and lathe’s. It’s very cool to see it laid all out on a historical timeline and see the evolution.
Speranza wrote:
Unfortunately they fell prey to the lure of big dollar advertising and starting trying to increase their viewer ratings at the expense of their original mission statement, which was to make history visual and easily accessible.
Ok, here’s my military question and I think the last video makes it a good question.
Was the problem on the Syrian side a cultural inhibition for an individual to take the initiative? When I watched how the Israelis maneuvered and the Syrians didn’t – the Syrians would not put their tanks in reverse. Russian tanks, Russian training.
In the last video, the Israelis were ordered to move forward, ‘like it was written in the book’ – and nobody moved. And he moves everybody over to his radio frequency.
Or am I being ignorant?
doriangrey wrote:
You nailed it.
@ Speranza:
The 2nd Season of the Borgias starts in April.
@ eaglesoars:
You are spot in Arabs can’t innovate. They charge like bulls.
eaglesoars wrote:
NKVD I think they were called.
eaglesoars wrote:
Arab armies in those days did not teach or encourage individual initiative – probably because they were based on Soviet doctrine on blind obedience to orders. Also Arab dictators such as Nasser, Assad, etc. did not trust officers who showed initiative because they felt they could potentially lead to a coup.
@ Rodan:
didja chek yer mail?
Lily wrote:
They started off as the Cheka, then the GRU, then the NKVD, the MGB,then the KGB.
@ doriangrey:
LOL – me too. Actually have it saved on the dvr!
Speranza wrote:
They didn’t think it, they knew it, that how they all rose to power. Just like Iraq’s Sad-man Insane. Kind of like that original Star Trek (Where Spock had a beard)episode where Kirk ended up in the negative Universe where everybody advanced in rank by killing their superior officers.
eaglesoars wrote:
He is on the phone with me. I gave him your message.
Speranza wrote:
Ok, so it was a reasonable question. Now. The Russians weren’t going to encourage too much individual initiative for the same reason. However, that leads me to ask – could Russian training take hold in a culture that was not already steeped in ‘submission’ and the dimunition of the individual?
Just asking. Don’t want to derail the thread.
@ Speranza:
Yep at the beginning of the war with Germany and the USSR they were still called NKVD. A murderous lot they were.
doriangrey wrote:
They preferred commanders who were toadies – think Saddam and his Tikkrit clan.
Speranza wrote:
Ok, now I remember. What I’m thinking of is the Cheka.
I think.
Dolphin wrote:
Yea, and go figure that it was the Iraqi’s who invented Beer… now the bastards are scared shitless to drink it…
@ eaglesoars:
Yes and I responded!
Lily wrote:
They sure were, Murdered hundreds of thousands of people. They had an executioner named Vassili Blokhin who personally murdered many thousands – with a shot behind the ear.
Speranza wrote:
Some were RAF pilots, too.
@ Moe Katz:
I won’t make any jokes about them dropping bowling balls on enemy targets.
eaglesoars wrote:
The Cheka’s first leader was the sinister Feliks Dzerzhinsky.
@ doriangrey:
Actually really the Chaldeans who are descended from the Sumerians. They are the only ones with a claim. Most Iraqis are Arabs, they have no claim.
Moe Katz wrote:
Yes and they fought very well in the Battle for France in 1940 and then the follow up Battle of Britain.
To this day the whole back of Monte Cassino is one vast Polish war cemetery.
eaglesoars wrote:
I would yes. They would submit the people by artifical famines. They used food as a weapon to submit people and also they would kill anyone they would even think of as a threat real or unreal. Look what they did the Ukraine pre WW2.
eaglesoars wrote:
I don’t mind it when history threads go off topic because it lends itself so well to free wheeling discussions.
@ doriangrey:
Hey… I like modern marvels… And the shows about Rodan’s ancestors, you know, the ancient illegal aliens…
*runs and hides* Just kidding Rodan {{{hugs}}}
Lily wrote:
Yup, Stalin killed something on the order of 25 million of his Cossack relatives that way.
Speranza wrote:
Yep he would wear leather gloves, apron and cap to keep the blood off him. The NKVD was just as bad as the SS.
Lily wrote:
Correctamundo. Read the book “Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin” by Timothy Snyder
@ Rodan:
thank you sweetie. let me know if you need anything else.
somebody is on hannity saying those tapes are coming out soon. oh, his name is steve bannon.
I have posted before about this book, but it’s a great book about WWII in Poland. The Zookeeper’s Wife.
http://www.amazon.com/Zookeepers-Wife-War-Story-ebook/dp/B001GXF2R6/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1330653938&sr=1-1
Lily wrote:
Man you know your stuff! Yes he was a miserable alcoholic as well. Many of his killings were in the basement execution cells of the infamous Lubyanka Prison in Moscow.
@ NoThreat2U:
They were illegal! They had rebelled against God and came to ruin man!
Moe Katz wrote:
Oh good lord. Don’t tell any Poles that. They flew as Free Poles, not RAF pilots.
Dad served with them. He was a bomber pilot stationed at Chelmsford England.
He had a few stories………….
@ eaglesoars:
I had a question in one of my responses about the Republican Convention.
I like this better than a politics thread.
Speranza wrote:
Well, you would probably be a miserable alcoholic too if you knew for absolute certain that the only thing that was keeping you alive was your willingness to kill anyone who your bosses put in front of you.
@ doriangrey:
But wasn’t that before the region was over run by islam? If memory serves me correctly, wasn’t the “first” battery in or around the same area/region?
@ Speranza:
Sound proof cells with one man holding the arm of the victim on one side and another man holding the victims other arm.
I know a little about this history!
Rodan wrote:
I call bullshit… I have evidence that they only came for the booze and the women…
@ Rodan:
*giggle*
Dolphin wrote:
Yea, about 8000 years before Mohammad the Pedophile (Pig Piss be eternally Upon Him) was vomited out of hell.
Rodan wrote:
I responded. The answer is I don’t know. Urban Infidel might. I’ll keep thinking.
Lily wrote:
Au contraire ma cherie – you know quite a lot. Love it!
@ doriangrey:
@ NoThreat2U:
The Nephlim and the Book of Enoch. Researcher it!
@ Speranza:
Most the victims never knew what was fixing to happen either.
Rodan wrote:
Yea… and??? They came for the booze and the women…
@ doriangrey:
If only the Sassainain Persians and Eastern Romans had not fought a 24 year war. What was the Shah and Roman Emperor thinking.
@ NoThreat2U:
Technically – are we not all “illegal” lol!
@ doriangrey:
The Sons of God married the daughters of Man.
You are correct.
Lily wrote:
I think many of them probably suspected it. After the Katyn massacre was discovered by the Germans, the British and Americans tried to get the London Poles (the government-in-exile) to blame the Germans even though they all knew that Stalin had ordered it.
Dolphin wrote:
thank you. downloaded to my nook.
I’m going to work on a two Part thread on the Siege of Malta.
Part I is about the resistance of the Knights of Malta against the Turks.
Part II is about Spanish relief force.
doriangrey wrote:
Anyone seen Elianna around?
@ Speranza:
@ eaglesoars:
@ doriangrey:
Many people don’t know that in 1920 the Polish Army defeated the Soviets outside of Warsaw.
@ doriangrey:
Point and case. RoP degenerates society.
Dolphin wrote:
I just had to yank his chain a bit.
@ Speranza:
I emailed her the other day. She’s busy moving into an apartment in Israel. She will do a thread with pictures of Israel. I’ve seen her pop up on the overnight.
Rodan wrote:
One of the decisive victories of the 20th century. The Soviets were actually aiming for Berlin! Charles De Gaulle I believe was actually an adviser to the Poles.
Rodan wrote:
Ok I miss her comments.
@ NoThreat2U:
Its all good, I almost choked on my fruit punch from laughed. I’m glad I didn’t spill any. I’m wrong a white shirt.
Lily wrote:
Yes you do! Write it up and share it girl!
@ Speranza:
Maybe that should be your next history thread.
Speranza wrote:
You know what? We need our own History Channel. Maybe like DoD or something.
@ Rodan:
Glad to know that someone understands my sense of humor. I would never intentionally hurt a friend’s feelings.
Rodan wrote:
I need to get motivated but it is a fascinating story. The failure to defeat the Poles was one of the causes for Stalin’s suspicion of the future Marshal Mikhail Tukhachevsky whom Stalin had executed later on in 1937. Stalin was a political commissar at the time and Tukhachevsky commanded Soviet forces in front of Warsaw n 1920.
@ eaglesoars:
I’d probably make a fool of myself!
@ NoThreat2U:
It was hysterical!
Lily wrote:
I do not think you would. History threads are a lot more fun then political ones.
@ eaglesoars:
As is most “true” books about the times, it is a great story about those lived through the horrors.
As in all books that I have read re Hitler’s terror – it is painful and inspiring.
eaglesoars wrote:
I can talk history all day.
@ Speranza:
I’m talking about the about the purges Stalin did before Germany went to war with them.
@ Speranza:
Hey our old friend Irish Rose took a shot at Chuck.
(Hat Tip: ISTE)
Speranza wrote:
Russian Jews must have had fun with “Tukhachevsky” and its resemblance to “tuches.”
Lily wrote:
Stop it. First of all it’s not about YOU. It’s about what you have to share.
First step in getting over shyness.
Been there, got the big mouth.
*smooch*
@ Rodan:
I look at it this way, if friends can’t hassle one another, they must not be good friends. I play “Dozens” really well. lol
@ Speranza:
You can Do English History, Roman Empire, 1800′s WWI, WWII.
I can do Greece, Hellenic states, Roman Empire, Byzantine Empire, Visigothic Spain, Reconquista, Imperial Spain, Bourbon France and Latin America.
@ NoThreat2U:
Exactly!
Speranza wrote:
Oh yeah. It’s an addiction.
Phillip Daniels can do Islamic History and Coldwarrior can do Cod War stuff.
One of the more fascinating stories was the death of Joseph Stalin in March 1953. All of Stalin’s cronies were so terrified of him and felt that he was on the verge of purging them that when he had a cerebral hemorrhage they dawdled in getting him medical help and allowed him to slowly die. Afterwards Laverenti Beria his fellow Georgian and NKVD chief said to Nikolai Bulganin “I did the bastard in”!
@ NoThreat2U:
eggsagly! Lol
Rodan wrote:
Cod War – are we having fishing fights? lol
Rodan wrote:
International disputes over fishing quotas?
eaglesoars wrote:
I don’t trust people who say they do not like history.
Ok, I’m off for the nite. I have a little reading to do before bedtime.
nite
Rodan wrote:
Sounds like a plan.
@ Speranza:
Progressives tend to hate History.
@ eaglesoars:
Moe Katz wrote:
He was considered to be The Red Bonaparte and he did have some advanced ideas about tank warfare – however all his “victories” (in the Russian Civil War and the Polish War) were against fellow Russians.
Rodan wrote:
They love to rewrite history,
@ Speranza:
Can you imagine Charles Johnson doing a History thread?
@ Speranza:
Yup!
Speranza wrote:
I though fish fights were always done with Flounders at 20 paces…
Rodan wrote:
He had zero knowledge of history and any thread he would do would be putting down “old white guys”. We made him look smarter then he was.
Rodan wrote:
Yes I can, it would be some very similar to this…
@ doriangrey:
Major lols!
@ eaglesoars:
Yes it is! I did not enjoy history in high school (memorizing dates and events) and honestly, lgf, my drive for truth, Glenn Beck, etc put me on the path – I can’t get enough now.
@ Dolphin:
That is how I roll. My sister and I do this to each other all the time…fat jokes…just silly stuff like that. A real friend can tell a joke from an insult.
Sleepy me is signing off. Goodnite fine folks and play nice while I am gone.
@ NoThreat2U:
BTW – I got your Email and thought it was great and was going to reply, with another, but, I guess I had deleted it.
Do you all realize that it was 80+ today here in Houston?
@ NoThreat2U:
Me too! Night all.
@ Dolphin:
History is a lot more fun then Sociology.
Rodan wrote:
Hell he never does bicycling threads!
Stalin had some major bloodletting of the Red Army in 1937-38.
Fortunately Stalin never purged Georgi Zhukov.
Rodan wrote:
The worst thing is getting marinara sauce on a white shirt!
@ Speranza:
Its horrible.
@ Rodan:
BBQ sauce is just as bad.
Hey, how’s everybody doing?
Tim Conway Jr. has Michael Walsh on talking about Breitbart.
http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/TimConwayJr.html
@ Bunk X:
How do I listen? Can’t find the right button to press.
@ Urban Infidel:
Here’s Breitbart’s final hour.
http://theothermccain.com/2012/03/01/breitbart-who-he-was-how-he-was/
@ Rodan:
@ Bunk X:
I’m so depressed over this.
My only real expertise in history is the Tudor Dynasty, and fortunately it’s not based on Hal Wallis movies or bad Showtime Series. So if Henry VIII ever comes up, I’m all over it.
Urban Infidel wrote:
Joshua Trevino has challenged us to pick up his sword and fight the fight he did.
Andrew Breitbart May Day Tea Party Speech pt1
Andrew Breitbart May Day Tea Party Speech pt2
@ Urban Infidel:
Sorry, I ran off to do other stuff – there’s a “LISTEN” button at top left. They’ve moved on to other topics.
Urban Infidel wrote:
It really is a shock. My who is a retired nurse. Says it sounds like a “widow-maker” type of heart attack. It happens to men especially men who burn the candles at both ends. Both she and I were wonder what he was doing at midnight out walking?
Speranza wrote:
Big time. He didn’t trust anyone. Even the ones who he did trust once they were done doing his dirty work were dispatched away, shot in the back of the head.
@ Lily:
***MY MOM***
pimf
Carolina Girl wrote:
LOL!
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292392/goodbye-andrew-michael-walsh
I’m addicted to World of Tanks… my son got me hooked.
Carolina Girl wrote:
I know a lot of British (and Tudor) history.
Lily wrote:
He was paranoid.
eaglesoars wrote:
the syrians were using soviet tactics and training. anecdotally, the soviet gas masks for the enlisted had no way for them to speak/be heard when they wore it. the senior NCO’s and officers had a way to be heard when wearing them.
also, if you look at the inside of a soviet tank form back then, often the radios only received and did not broadcast. the lead tank had all the antennae. kill the tank with the antennae and its like killing the head, the body dies.
western militaries prize and encourage individual effort and initiative. the old soviet system suppressed it, this is also reflected in societies as a whole.
coldwarrior wrote:
Stuck.On. Stupid.
@ eaglesoars:
They also didn’t give maps to anyone but officers (or train them to read them).
coldwarrior wrote:
You are quite right – initiative is viewed with suspicion (in totalitarian societies).
@ Speranza:
And Islamic societies, though Islam is a de facto totalitarian creed. I guess their fear of individuality simply re-inforces that truth…