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The new Anti-Semitism, substantively not all that much different from the old

by Speranza ( 83 Comments › )
Filed under Anti-semitism, Israel, Leftist-Islamic Alliance at March 29th, 2012 - 8:00 am

VDH laments the palpable anti-Semitism masked as anti-Zionism that predominates on the Left, be it   Irish pseudo “intellectuals and artists” vowing to boycott Israel, a Park Slope, Brooklyn  food co-op fighting off attempts to boycott Israeli products, documentaries making obscene comparisons to Nazi Germany, or  shameless calls for Israel’s destruction.

by Victor Davis Hanson

Not long ago, the Economist ran an unsigned editorial called the “Auschwitz Complex.” The unnamed author blamed serial Middle East tensions on both Israel’s unwarranted sense of victimhood, accrued from the Holocaust, and its unwillingness to  “to give up its empire.” As far as Israel’s paranoid obsessions with the specter of a nuclear Iran, the author dismissed any real threat by announcing that “Iran makes an appealing enemy for Israelis,” and that “Israelis have psychologically displaced the source of their anxiety onto a more distant target: Iran.”

It is hard to fathom how a democracy of seven million people by any stretch of the imagination is an “empire.” Israel, after all, fought three existential wars over its 1947 borders, when the issue at hand was not manifest destiny, but the efforts of its many enemies to exterminate or deport its population. I would not otherwise know how to characterize the Arab promise of more than a half-century of “pushing the Jews into Mediterranean.”

[...]

The Economist article is fairly representative of European anger at Israel, a country that is despised by most of the nations that make up the UN roster. Or as Nicky Larkin, an Irish documentary filmmaker and once vehement anti-Israel activist, recently confessed, “An Irish artist is supposed to sign boycotts, wear a PLO scarf, and remonstrate loudly about The Occupation. But it’s not just artists who are supposed to hate Israel. Being anti-Israel is supposed to be part of our Irish identity, the same way we are supposed to resent the English.”

What then are the sources for widespread hatred of Israel? Such venom cannot be explained just by political differences with its Arab and Islamic neighbors. After all, take any major issue of contention—occupied land, refugees, a divided Jerusalem, cross border incursions—and then ask why the world focuses disproportionately on Israel when similar such disputes are commonplace throughout the globe.

Over half a million Jews have been ethnically cleansed from Arab capitals since 1947.

Does the world much care about the principle of occupation? Not really. Consider land that has been “occupied” in the fashion of the West Bank since World War II. Russia won’t give up the southern Kurile Islands it took from Japan. Tibet ceased to exist as a sovereign country—well before the 1967 Middle East War—when it was absorbed by Communist China. Turkish forces since their 1974 invasion have occupied large swaths of Cyprus. East Prussia ceased to exist in 1945, after 13 million German refugees were displaced from ancestral homelands that dated back 500 years.

The 112-mile green line that runs through downtown Nicosia to divide Cyprus makes Jerusalem look united in comparison. Over 500,000 Jews have been ethnically-cleansed from Arab capitals since 1947, in waves of pogroms that come every few decades. Why are they not considered refugees the way the Palestinians are?

[...]

A new sort of fashionable and socially acceptable anti-Semitism looms large. For much of the past two millennia in the West, hatred of the Jews was a crude prejudice, rich with state-sanctioned religious, economic, and social biases. By the same token, dissidents, leftists, and anti-establishmentarians once took up the cause of decrying anti-Semitism, an Enlightenment theme until well after World War II.

No more—with the establishment of Israel, anti-Semitism metamorphosized in two unforeseen ways. First, it became a near obsession of the modern Left, which associated the creation of the Jewish state with a sort of Western hegemonic impulse. That Israel was democratic and protected human rights in a way unlike its autocratic neighbors mattered nothing. To the international Left, Israel was a religious, imperialistic, and surrogate West in the Middle East.

The new anti-Semites are not crass and vulgar. They are sophisticated intellectuals.

After the 1967 war, when a once vulnerable Israel emerged victorious and apparently unstoppable, Jews lost any lingering sympathy from the horrors of World War II and Israel became a full-fledged Western over-dog, closely associated with its new patron, the much envied and hated United States. Not only were the new anti-Semites no longer just buffoonish skinheads, neo-Nazis, and Klansmen, but they were polished and sophisticated intellectuals. Deploring anti-Semitic illiterates in white sheets was rather easy; but countering Hamas cartoons of Jews as apes and pigs in West Bank newspapers was difficult when they were disseminated in the name of free speech at U.C. Berkeley.

There was a second facet of the new anti-Semitism. The establishment of the state of Israel itself also served as a respectable cloak for anti-Semitism. One now spoke not of disliking Jews, but only of despising the Jewish state and seeing Palestinians as if they were victims analogous to minority groups within the West. From Oxford dons to award-wining novelists, it became socially acceptable to decry the creation of Israel in a way it was not to say that the Jews were again causing trouble. Alleging that “Jews” had too much influence was still retrograde, but worrying about the power of the “Jewish lobby” was suddenly politically-correct.

Oil, of course, played an even larger role. By the 1960s, the West was heavily dependent on Persian Gulf and North African oil and gas, and by the 1990s, was in a rivalry with emerging economies in India and China to ensure steady Middle East supplies. After the deleterious oil cutoff of 1973, the Arab world proved not just that it was willing to use oil as an anti-Israel weapon, but also that it could do so quite effectively.

[...]

“Being anti-Israel is supposed to be part of our Irish identity,” says a filmmaker

Size matters as well. Israel is tiny; its enemies, legion. For many in the world, demography is everything: would an opinion-maker or journalist rather side with seven million Israelis or 400 million of their enemies in the largely Islamic Middle East? And if Israel had clearly done well in the 1947, 1956, and 1967 wars, after the next round of fighting in 1973, 1982, and 2006, critics smelled weakness and found it more comfortable to prefer the soon-to-be winning side. As a result, diplomats, military officers, journalists, writers, and actors found it easier to count heads and choose the path of least resistance—given Israel’s recent inability to defeat quickly and decisively its Arab adversaries.

The terrorism of the last thirty years loomed large as well. If in the 1970s, Western governments feared that their Olympic games, their jet airliners, their embassies, and their sports teams might by attacked by secular left-wing Palestinian terrorists, by the late 1990s they were even more afraid that radical Islamist suicide bombers and terrorists would strike not just abroad, but inside Europe and North America itself. After 9/11, to draw a cartoon in Denmark mocking a Jewish rabbi would earn either praise or indifference; but to caricature Mohammed or the Koran ensured threats of assassination in the heart of postmodern, humanitarian Europe.

Intellectuals are not moral supermen, and supposedly courageous muckraking writers and journalists prefer, we have seen, to live without fear than to accurately describe the situation on the ground in the Middle East. For many intellectuals, the choice of lauding or disliking Israel was not just based on careerist self-interest, but also on a careful calculus that Western nations, for all their talk of free speech, were as terrified of terrorists as were the latters’ targets. Criticize or caricature radical Islam, and a terrorist was more likely to get you than your fearful Western government was to protect you. Ask Salman Rushdie or Kurt Westergaard.

Finally, Israel in the West has become analogous to something like the uncool image of Sarah Palin—a target of mindless and uniformed invective that nevertheless serves as a sort of cachet or membership card into the right circles. Filmmakers do not usually shoot sympathetic documentaries about Israel—not if they want grants from foundations and social acceptance from their peers and overseers. Visiting journalists and authors might hotel in Israel, but their professional work on the West Bank will be praised and supported to the degree that it is pro-Palestinian and shunned should it be either balanced or pro-Israeli.

Will the image of Israel ever be reversed? Only if the above criteria are altered—a damning indictment that popular antipathy has little to do with the reality of Israel’s predicament.

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  1. Bumr50
    1 | March 29, 2012 8:24 am

    Israel stands as a monument not only to Judaism, but religious freedom in general. The people of Israel choose to live in a nation that embraces their religion in such a way that it’s part of both their government and their culture.

    And they thrive on it.

    In this way, they are an affront to the “secular humanists” that comprise the progressive movement globally, and are seen from their perspective as a roadblock to their ends.

    OTOH, they have absolutely no problem with nations founded on Islam because THOSE nations DON’T succeed and constantly need “global” help, and can foist their dysfunction on Israel and the United States.


  2. Bumr50
    2 | March 29, 2012 8:28 am

    @ Bumr50:

    Just IMHO.

    I’m not as well-informed as some here on the subjects of Judaism or Israel, but that’s what I see from my layman’s perspective.


  3. MikeA
    3 | March 29, 2012 8:29 am

    Wait… I thought the jooos controlled everything. How can the world turn against them and slaughter them if they control everything. This is confusing…


  4. Speranza
    4 | March 29, 2012 8:31 am

    The other day lefties at the Park Slope (Brooklyn) Food Co-op tried to have Israeli products boycotted but in a community vote it was overwhelmingly defeated.


  5. MikeA
    5 | March 29, 2012 8:37 am

    To go OT for a second… If the Zimmerman guy is white hispanic (hispanic mom, white dad), does that make Obama white black?

    Curious people want to know?


  6. 6 | March 29, 2012 8:40 am

    Will the image of Israel ever be reversed? Only if the above criteria are altered—a damning indictment that popular antipathy has little to do with the reality of Israel’s predicament.

    First and foremost we must name the enemy what he is. “Anti-Zionism” is anti-Semitism. It is just the prettified name that psudeo-intellectuals give to their anti-Semitism to make it palatable. We have to treat “anti-Zionism” as morally and socially unacceptible. To the degree that it continues to be acceptible, anti-Semitism is itself acceptible. Israel needs to take the lead in this, and denounce “anti-Zionists” as anti-Semites loudly and often. It is generally considered gauche to compare someone to the Nazis, but when West Bank propagandists recreate cartoons from Der Sturmer and they are distributed at rallies in Berkeley, it is not only appropriate but morally necessary to draw the obvious comparison to the Nazis. This is simply a more socially acceptible form of neo-Nazism, and it must be condemned.


  7. 7 | March 29, 2012 8:42 am

    @ MikeA:

    RAAAAACIST! Obama is the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT! How dare you question his purity. It is interesting how these latter-day seggregationists like to focus on the “One Drop” rule and selectively apply it to make someone’s “race” whatever is most politically advantageous to the Left in all situations.


  8. mawskrat
    8 | March 29, 2012 8:44 am

    I stand with Israel and G-ds chosen people.
    when G-d shows his hand against her enemies
    then maybe they will believe!!!

    and Good Mornin All…make it a great day


  9. MikeA
    9 | March 29, 2012 8:54 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Thanks for explaining it to me. ;)


  10. rain of lead
    10 | March 29, 2012 8:57 am

    mornin ya’ll

    in other news
    Dan Rather is still a moron

    Dan Rather: Obama a “Close Student” of Ronald Reagan…


  11. MikeA
    11 | March 29, 2012 8:59 am

    @ mawskrat:

    Totally agree with you but there is also the fact that Israel is the ONLY right-protecting democracy in the region. Of course all this Arab Spring crap will make it better…


  12. 12 | March 29, 2012 9:03 am

    @ MikeA:

    Obama is Mulatto. White Hispanic is a real term. You should know that. You are one.

    I’m tired making this point. The whole anger on the Right over the term White Hispanic, is very revealing to me.


  13. Speranza
    13 | March 29, 2012 9:05 am

    MikeA wrote:

    To go OT for a second… If the Zimmerman guy is white hispanic (hispanic mom, white dad), does that make Obama white black?
    Curious people want to know?

    Good question.


  14. Speranza
    14 | March 29, 2012 9:05 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    “Anti-Zionism” is anti-Semitism

    It most definitely is.


  15. Speranza
    15 | March 29, 2012 9:07 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    mornin ya’ll
    in other news
    Dan Rather is still a moron
    Dan Rather: Obama a “Close Student” of Ronald Reagan…

    Now that is funny.


  16. MikeA
    16 | March 29, 2012 9:07 am

    @ Rodan:

    My point is the media never used the term before. In their context, they need the white part to make the racist narrative work. I know hispanics are white (for whatever that means). I would like to see someone start called the president white black and then point to the media’s silliness when called on it.


  17. 17 | March 29, 2012 9:10 am

    @ MikeA:

    Teresa Heinz Kerry is a White African. If you recall, there were those who went ballistic about it when she referred to herself as African, even though she was born in Africa.


  18. rain of lead
    18 | March 29, 2012 9:12 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    heh

    I have pissed people off because I called myself native american


  19. 19 | March 29, 2012 9:14 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MikeA:
    Obama is Mulatto. White Hispanic is a real term. You should know that. You are one.
    I’m tired making this point. The whole anger on the Right over the term White Hispanic, is very revealing to me.

    Why? The parsing and recombination of these terms makes sense only to some in government. “White Hispanic” is apparently a combination of anything from western Europe with a language group, even if the individual so classified doesn’t speak that language. Am I a “White Celtic”? If not, why not? This isn’t a trivial question -- real money rides on the answers.


  20. MikeA
    20 | March 29, 2012 9:14 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I work with a guy from South Africa (born there, multiple generations, Boer, etc..) I used to tell him to fill out the his forms at work as African-American since he was more african than people born here.


  21. citizen_q
    21 | March 29, 2012 9:19 am

    MikeA wrote:

    To go OT for a second… If the Zimmerman guy is white hispanic (hispanic mom, white dad), does that make Obama white black?
    Curious people want to know?

    I am wondering given the rampant enthusiastic Jew hatred in the black community clearly exemplified, personified, and instigated by the race hustlers sharpton, jackson and farakahn, that the race angle was seized upon largely due to Zemmerman’s Jewish sounding name?


  22. 22 | March 29, 2012 9:26 am

    @ citizen_q:

    No, I think they were looking to hate whitey here. Thus their gloming onto Zimmerman as a white Hispanic. There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmerman would just be a Hispanic in any other context. I do think it likely that had his name been Martinez we’d have never heard of this situation. They blew this up, then discovered that Zimmerman was Hispanic. Oops. Race hustlers stepped on their dick, because it isn’t in Obama’s interests to be formenting division between the blacks and hispanics…


  23. citizen_q
    23 | March 29, 2012 9:34 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    You are probably right. Just wondering given the track record of these black leaders.

    As I mentioned yesterday, I had never heard the term White Hispanic until this case blew up nationally. However, Jew hatred seems to be rather common in the black community. As is White hatred, so much so it is freely sprinkled in the media without a peep.


  24. Speranza
    24 | March 29, 2012 9:36 am

    MikeA wrote:

    they need the white part to make the racist narrative work

    Bingo! Just like they needed the Toulouse terrorist to be a right-winger rather then a Muslim.


  25. Speranza
    25 | March 29, 2012 9:38 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    If his name was Jorge Zapata instead of George Zimmerman we would not even be hearing abut this.


  26. MikeA
    26 | March 29, 2012 9:42 am

    @ Speranza:

    Exactamundo!!! I think IF was right. They saw the name Zimmerman, kicked it up but when they saw his picuture, he looked too “hispanic” so they had to add the white part to keep the narrative.


  27. citizen_q
    27 | March 29, 2012 9:45 am

    @ Speranza:
    @ MikeA:
    I still suspect they were hoping Zimmerman was Jewish.


  28. MikeA
    28 | March 29, 2012 9:46 am

    @ citizen_q:

    You’re just trying to get us back on topic… ;)


  29. citizen_q
    29 | March 29, 2012 9:48 am

    I am also wondering if this extreme over reaction given the other exculpatory items for Zimmerman coming to light, if they are taking a page from the muzzie playbook.


  30. 30 | March 29, 2012 9:52 am

    @ citizen_q:

    If he had been, you’d be seeing comparisons between Martin and the “poor, innocent” Paleosimians under “Occ-U-Pay-shun”. As is, they can’t bring the West Bank into the conversation.


  31. citizen_q
    31 | March 29, 2012 9:53 am

    @ MikeA:
    Better than saying, in summary, another thread whose take away for me is that I really should have more ammo stockpiled.


  32. citizen_q
    32 | March 29, 2012 9:55 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Paleosimians

    LOL! I like


  33. Speranza
    33 | March 29, 2012 9:55 am

    MikeA wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Exactamundo!!! I think IF was right. They saw the name Zimmerman, kicked it up but when they saw his picuture, he looked too “hispanic” so they had to add the white part to keep the narrative.

    Race to them is everything. That to me is the definition of racism.


  34. MikeA
    34 | March 29, 2012 9:56 am

    @ citizen_q:

    Um… every thread and news story these days makes me do that. Plus, when do you have “enough”? I know I don’t…


  35. citizen_q
    35 | March 29, 2012 9:58 am

    Did not even MLK speak about anti-Zionism as being antisemetism in disguise?


  36. citizen_q
    36 | March 29, 2012 10:00 am

    MikeA wrote:

    when do you have “enough”? I know I don’t…

    Too large a number to contemplate. :-)


  37. MikeA
    37 | March 29, 2012 10:05 am

    @ citizen_q:

    Judging someone on the content on their character and not the color of their skin is about as far from Jesse and Sharpton as you can get.


  38. Speranza
    38 | March 29, 2012 10:07 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    Did not even MLK speak about anti-Zionism as being antisemetism in disguise?

    There is some question about that.


  39. Speranza
    39 | March 29, 2012 10:07 am

    MikeA wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    Judging someone on the content on their character and not the color of their skin is about as far from Jesse and Sharpton as you can get.

    Amen to that.


  40. Speranza
    40 | March 29, 2012 10:08 am

    MikeA wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I work with a guy from South Africa (born there, multiple generations, Boer, etc..) I used to tell him to fill out the his forms at work as African-American since he was more african than people born here.

    You are absolutely right. Is “African” supposed to mean black?


  41. citizen_q
    41 | March 29, 2012 10:11 am

    Speranza wrote:

    You are absoluttely right. Is “African” supposed to mean black?

    I would think so in the PC multi-culty-verse.


  42. 42 | March 29, 2012 10:15 am

    @ MikeA:

    It is interesting how it is the Conservatives that push that standard as ideal, and the so-called Liberals who are into racial preferrrences, parsing skin color, and even outright racism.


  43. Speranza
    43 | March 29, 2012 10:20 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ MikeA:
    It is interesting how it is the Conservatives that push that standard as ideal, and the so-called Liberals who are into racial preferrrences, parsing skin color, and even outright racism.

    That’s because for the liberal Democrats, the idea of all people (including blacks), actually thinking for themselves and viewing themselves as merely citizens of the United States of America instead of being members of some aggrieved group to be pandered to, is the ultimate nightmare.


  44. Speranza
    44 | March 29, 2012 10:23 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    You are absoluttely right. Is “African” supposed to mean black?

    I would think so in the PC multi-culty-verse.

    Just like Blacks cannot be racists.


  45. citizen_q
    45 | March 29, 2012 10:26 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Just like Blacks cannot be racists.

    I believe that to be an enabling factor in black racism and bigotry.


  46. Speranza
    46 | March 29, 2012 10:31 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Just like Blacks cannot be racists.
    I believe that to be an enabling factor in black racism and bigotry.

    It sure is.


  47. MikeA
    47 | March 29, 2012 10:34 am

    @ Speranza:

    Can hispanics be racists? Zimmerman is half white according to the media so he is only half racist. Since I am full hispanic (whatever that means) can I be racist?

    We really need to have a small app for the phone made up so you can put your background in and it tells you how racist you are allowed to be.


  48. 48 | March 29, 2012 10:36 am

    MikeA wrote:

    Can hispanics be racists? Zimmerman is half white according to the media so he is only half racist. Since I am full hispanic (whatever that means) can I be racist?

    The answer is “No”. Look at the pass the Tan Klan (La Raza) gets on their overt racism. Just like the pass that Nation of Islam gets. To the Left the only RAAAAACISTS are White RAAAAACISTS, and all whites are RAAAAACISTS, by virtue of their being white.


  49. 49 | March 29, 2012 10:41 am

    MikeA wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    Um… every thread and news story these days makes me do that. Plus, when do you have “enough”? I know I don’t…

    You never have enough, because marksmanship in something that always has to be practiced to be maintained. My little brothers FiL puts out $40,000.00 a year in ammo, now granted he is a part owner in a shooting club so $40,000.00 a year is split between the 100 or so members of his shooting club, but it also means we get a discount on ammo you wouldn’t believe.

    We go to the range at least once a month, usually there are between 5 and 8 of us and we expend well over a 1000rds each every time we go. FiL has stockpiled probably in the 400,000rds neighborhood of various calibers. Is it enough? In my personal opinion, no. We do buy more than we shoot, but only by 15 or 20%. We police our own brass, and looking at the volume of expended casing when we do tells me something very significant.

    What it tells me is that that seemingly impressive stockpile we have would go insanely fast if we were ever to find ourselves confronted by a desperate and frantic mob of city dwellers attempting to overrun our compound for the other supplies we have accumulated.


  50. citizen_q
    50 | March 29, 2012 10:42 am

    @ MikeA:
    How about this for a starting formula?

    Within the PC multi-culty-verse; 1/2 or less Caucasian and have no more that 1/4 Jewish ancestry and are non-observant or identify as Jewish, you are good to go.

    Never mind, I really don’t think I want to go down that road any further.

    Any good news today?


  51. citizen_q
    51 | March 29, 2012 10:44 am

    @ doriangrey:
    How does one go about getting adopted into your family?

    / jealous :-)


  52. MikeA
    52 | March 29, 2012 10:44 am

    @ citizen_q:

    The local chinese buffet added grilled beef on a stick to the menu. And it is GOOD!!!! Plan on going there for lunch.


  53. MikeA
    53 | March 29, 2012 10:46 am

    @ doriangrey:

    Thats a ton of ammo but you better have enough people who can use it and have it loaded in mags so its usable. Plus, if that many people are trying to over run your position, you have bigger problems.


  54. citizen_q
    54 | March 29, 2012 10:48 am

    @ MikeA:
    If work does not intrude, I have nice steak to grill for dinner. First attempt at burning meat over fire this season.


  55. Bumr50
    55 | March 29, 2012 10:58 am

    @ MikeA:

    Beef, eh?

    //


  56. 56 | March 29, 2012 10:59 am

    @ Bumr50:

    Better not be cat meat. I’ll get upset… 8O


  57. Bumr50
    57 | March 29, 2012 10:59 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    Any good news today?

    Not really today, but the frost that was forecast to come earlier in the week here in PA spared most of the early blooms.


  58. Bumr50
    58 | March 29, 2012 11:02 am

    Hoodie Day!!

    Student walkouts planned at some Pittsburgh schools on ‘Hoodie Day’ Friday

    Several Pittsburgh Public Schools will allow student walk-outs and demonstrations Friday to protest the shooting death of a Florida teenager.

    Emph. mine.


  59. citizen_q
    59 | March 29, 2012 11:02 am

    @ Bumr50:

    We seemed to have dodged that bullet here in Maryland too.


  60. MikeA
    60 | March 29, 2012 11:04 am

    @ Bumr50:

    Unbelieveable but not really. This is a sad staement on life. Wear a hoodie to show sympathy for the Thug Life. Nice….


  61. 61 | March 29, 2012 11:04 am

    MikeA wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Thats a ton of ammo but you better have enough people who can use it and have it loaded in mags so its usable. Plus, if that many people are trying to over run your position, you have bigger problems.

    We live in Southern California, in San Diego County, which has a population of 4 million. We have lot’s of mags and autoloaders and everybody is trained in using the autoloaders. We live 40 miles outside the city, unfortunately though, while off the main artery out of the county, only about 10 miles off that artery. If the shit ever does hit the fan, the hoards are going to be passing buy on their way to anywhere but the coasts where they currently reside.

    And if, as we are suspecting, the shit hitting the fan means a complete financial collapse of the United States where gasoline and diesel prices climb so high that gasoline and food stop being available to the vast majority of city dwellers we believe they will have only one choice to survive. And that is essentially mass exodus of the large metropolitan area’s. On their way out in search of food and water, they will have to pass uncomfortably close to us.

    We currently are a collection of blood relative family’s, numbering somewhere around 45 individuals. There are 15 or so of us who spend, shall we say, a significant amount of time working on our marksmanship skills. Are we as prepared as we should be? No, I seriously doubt that anyone is, but it is something we are conscientiously working on.


  62. 62 | March 29, 2012 11:08 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    How does one go about getting adopted into your family?
    / jealous

    Pretty much have to marry in. Little brothers FiL does have a sister who is available… (she is a stone cold batshit crazy lib though, so not sure it would do you any good) FiL actually tried to pawn her off on me once, then laughed his ass off when I refused to go for it, saying that while he loved his sister, he couldn’t blame any rational man for not wanting to marry her… :shock:


  63. MikeA
    63 | March 29, 2012 11:10 am

    @ doriangrey:

    I understand your mindset as I share it in being prepared. With govt spending at the levels it currently holds and the Dems and Repubs not doing anything about it, we are going to hit a wall. A financial collapse is inevitable. I live outside Philly (about 40 miles also) and while it is somewhat rural with farms close by, the city people will come out my way.

    Boy, this is a cheerful conversation. :P


  64. 64 | March 29, 2012 11:17 am

    @ MikeA:

    It could be worse. You could live in New York City. When the collapse comes, those people will be reduced to eating each other…


  65. Bumr50
    65 | March 29, 2012 11:20 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Wagyu Vegans?

    (they eat plants and get massages, right?)


  66. Speranza
    66 | March 29, 2012 11:21 am

    MikeA wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    I understand your mindset as I share it in being prepared. With govt spending at the levels it currently holds and the Dems and Repubs not doing anything about it, we are going to hit a wall. A financial collapse is inevitable. I live outside Philly (about 40 miles also) and while it is somewhat rural with farms close by, the city people will come out my way.
    Boy, this is a cheerful conversation.

    Most apocalyptic conversations are not exactly cheerful.


  67. 67 | March 29, 2012 11:22 am

    @ Bumr50:

    When the food trucks stop running, the Vegans will be the first ones lining up for long pig. In the name of Mother Gaia, of course. It is like recycling your neighbor. What could be more green than that? 8O


  68. 68 | March 29, 2012 11:30 am

    MikeA wrote:

    Boy, this is a cheerful conversation. :P

    It is far better to have these kinds of cheerful conversations and be prepared even if nothing ever does happen, then to think rosy magical unicorn fart fantasies and not be prepared if and when something does happen. I mean, for gods sake, did you know that FEMA actually prepared a response plan for a Zombie apocalypses?

    If the Government itself believes in being prepared for every possible conceivable situation, shouldn’t it be the responsibility of individual citizens to likewise be prepared for what they have the financial ability to prepare for?

    Not one single person in our clan is actually hoping that we will ever need any of our preparations. We make these preparations because we believe that we have a responsibility to our families, our friends and our communities to do so. Having weapons and ammo is only a small part of the preparations we are making.

    We also are making plans for what to do once the shit has stopped hitting the fan, how will we organize what remains of our local community? Where will we get food once the stockpiles run short or out? What kind of energy sources will we have available? Who will we barter with when we needs supplies that we didn’t think to stockpile? What will we do if someone in our clan or community needs serious medical attention?

    Basically we are preparing not just for the apocalypse itself, but for the post apocalypse society that will emerge afterwards.


  69. citizen_q
    69 | March 29, 2012 11:32 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    Pretty much have to marry in. Little brothers FiL does have a sister who is available… (she is a stone cold batshit crazy lib though, so not sure it would do you any good)

    Wife 1.0 would not look kindly on that. :-)

    Uhmmmmm….. I did bat-shit crazy once in my younger dayz and learned my lesson.


  70. 70 | March 29, 2012 11:33 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    When the food trucks stop running, the Vegans will be the first ones lining up for long pig. In the name of Mother Gaia, of course. It is like recycling your neighbor. What could be more green than that?

    ROTFLMAO… More like the Vegans WILL be the long pig, how does the term, range fed long pig sound to you? Sound damned near synonymous with Vegan if you ask me… :shock: :oops:


  71. 71 | March 29, 2012 11:34 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    Wife 1.0 would not look kindly on that. :-)

    Yea, American women sure are funny about that aren’t they… :lol: :lol: :lol:


  72. 72 | March 29, 2012 11:37 am

    @ doriangrey:

    He could convert to Islam. They allow four wives. That’ll< ?I> be coming here sooner or later if things keep going the direction they’ve been headded in…


  73. citizen_q
    73 | March 29, 2012 11:40 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Wife 1.0 doesn’t like wearing sacks, and has bad knees so all that buns-up kneeling to the holy meteorite would be a no-go.


  74. citizen_q
    74 | March 29, 2012 11:40 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    They allow four wives.

    one wife is a handful.


  75. citizen_q
    75 | March 29, 2012 11:41 am

    @ citizen_q:
    That is weird, I copied that from IF, but it cites me.


  76. 76 | March 29, 2012 11:44 am

    @ citizen_q:

    One is certainly enough for me. I can’t imagine the difficulty of four. Just the extra money it’d cost, because the Mohammedan women aren’t generally allowed to work, are they? Mohammedan women generally aren’t allowed to do anything


  77. citizen_q
    77 | March 29, 2012 11:55 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Mohammedan women generally aren’t allowed to do anything…

    Uterus’s with legs, who do other domestic chores.

    Even osama had trouble with multiple wives.

    Three’s a crowd! How Osama Bin Laden’s multiple wives squabbled over favouritism and betrayal inside Pakistani compound


  78. 78 | March 29, 2012 12:17 pm

    OK, time to take mom in for her therapy, see ya’ll later… :grin:


  79. lobo91
    79 | March 29, 2012 12:26 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Uterus’s with legs, who do other domestic chores.

    The ones in this part of the world don’t seem to do much in the way of “domestic chores.”

    That’s what Allah created Fillipinos for…
    //


  80. BuddyG
    80 | March 29, 2012 12:35 pm

    All my Grandparents are from Ireland, and I stand in support of Israel. So, phooey to that Irish filmmaker.


  81. 81 | March 29, 2012 2:28 pm

    BuddyG wrote:

    All my Grandparents are from Ireland, and I stand in support of Israel. So, phooey to that Irish filmmaker.

    Same here… :grin:


  82. darkwords
    82 | March 29, 2012 2:58 pm

    @ 12 Rodan:White Hispanic? Who on the right is angry about it? I perceived the issue as a clarifying one. How the black protesters like to claim brown is on their side. Except when someone they normally consider brown commits a crime against a black. Then the perp is white? It’s meant as a black/white issue that uses Hispanics as a tool. Fairly ludicrous. Aren’t all Hispanics of white ancestry unless they intermarried with moors or the Native Americans?

    I’m for a citizen if the color of your skin is red,white, and blue. If not get educated citizens. The modern culture should be an American one with positive nods to the past. Not much good I can nod to about Islam though.


  83. coldwarrior
    83 | March 29, 2012 3:01 pm

    @ darkwords:

    KAAAAARICKETS!!!! on this murder


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