I was going to do an intro but I found the introduction below on youtube which is so thorough, that anything else from me would be superfluous. I will add though that in the second video you get a good idea was as to why Germany was ultimately doomed due to Hitler’s rigidity of military strategy. In February 1943 after the surrender of the 6th Army at Stalingrad, the German S.S. Panzer Corps. composed of the three panzer grenadier divisions Leibstandarte S.S. Adolf Hitler, Das Reich, and Totenkopf, (superbly equipped, trained, motivated and lead, and arguably man for man the best soldiers of World War II) was about to be trapped in the Ukrainian city of Kharkov. Their commander, S.S. General Paul Hausser asked for permission to withdraw out of the certain entrapment but Hitler forbade it demanding that they hold fast (a decision which would have annihilated them). Hausser decided to disobey the order and had his men withdraw (if he had been a Wehrmacht instead of an S.S. general he might have been courtmartialed) and successfully made it out to safety. Having done so, the German commander of Army Group South Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (the most talented commander in World War II – Europe) regrouped and launched a counter attack on the overextended Soviet advance and defeated the Red Army while the S.S. Panzer Corps recaptured Kharkov (“The Third Battle of Kharkov, Feb. 19 – March 15, 1943“) – the last major Soviet victory on the Eastern Front. Manstein felt that the days of rigid “hold fast” strategies were outdated and suicidal and that the Germans needed defensive /offensive flexibility i.e. freedom of maneuver, to make the Soviets outrun their supplies and then hit them on their flanks. Fortunately for the Soviets and the Western Allies, Hitler’s refusal to cede any ground ultimately doomed Germany.
The post accompanying this video (written by someone else) on youtube:
By the spring of 1945, Himmler had lost faith in German victory. He came to the realization that if the Nazi regime was to have any chance of survival, it would need to seek peace with Britain and the United States. Toward this end, he contacted Count Folke Bernadotte of Sweden at Lübeck, near the Danish border, and began negotiations.
When Hitler discovered this, Himmler was declared a traitor and stripped of all his titles and ranks the day before Hitler committed suicide. Hitler’s successor as Chancellor of Germany was Joseph Goebbels. At the time of Himmler’s denunciation, he held the positions of Commanding General of the SS, Chief of the German Police, Realm Commissioner of German Nationhood, Realm Minister of the Interior, Supreme Commander of the People’s Storm (Volkssturm), and Supreme Commander of the Home Army.
Unfortunately for Himmler, his negotiations with Count Bernadotte failed. Since he could not return to Berlin, he joined Grand Admiral Karl Dönitz, who by then was commanding all the German forces within the northern part of the western front, in nearby Plön. Dönitz immediately sent Himmler away, explaining that there was no place for him in the German government.
Himmler next turned to the Americans as a defector, contacting the headquarters of General Dwight Eisenhower and proclaiming he would surrender all of Germany to the Allies if he was spared from prosecution as a Nazi leader. Eisenhower refused to have anything to do with Himmler, who was subsequently declared a major war criminal.
Unwanted by his former colleagues and hunted by the Allies, Himmler wandered for several days near the Danish border, around Flensburg, the capital of the Dönitz government. Attempting to evade arrest, he disguised himself as a sergeant-major of the Secret Military Police, using the name Heinrich Hitzinger, shaving his mustache and donning an eye patch over his left eye, in the hope that he could return to Bavaria. He had equipped himself with a full set of false documents, but someone whose papers were wholly “in order” was so unusual that it aroused the suspicions of a British Army unit in Bremen. He was arrested on May 22, and, in captivity, was soon recognized.
Himmler was scheduled to stand trial with other German leaders as a major war criminal at Nuremberg, but committed suicide in Lüneburg by swallowing a potassium cyanide capsule before interrogation could begin. His last words were “Ich bin Heinrich Himmler!” (“I am Heinrich Himmler!”). Shortly afterward, Himmler’s body was secretly buried in an unmarked grave on the Lüneburg Heath. The precise location of Himmler’s grave remains unknown.
Bormann thought the “suicide” was a nice touch too
If it hadn’t ended in ’45 it would have in ’46. The Nazi’s would have completely run out of chromium by then. No ball bearings. So much for gaining resources for the “master” race
U.S. Troops Assigned “Guardian Angels” To Keep Them Safe From Our Afghan “Allies” While They Sleep…
This is maddening! What? Obama’s military now has SS’s? Watching our own troops? Disarming them? WTF
Hermann Goering also thought he could negotiate a separate peace with the British and Americans.
waldensianspirit wrote:
then this is right in line…
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/29/bolton-accuses-administration-leaking-story-on-israeli-planning-along-iran/
Throughout the war, Foreign Minister Joachim von Rippentrop (who was against the invasion of the USSR) begged Hitler to let him approach Stalin to see if the USSR was interested in a separate peace with Germany.
@ brookly red:
There is a lot of disinformation coming out regarding Israel-Iran.
Speranza wrote:
I would suppose
@ brookly red:
Too much talk about an imminent Israeli strike. There was no such talk about striking Iraq in 1981 or Syria in 2007.
In early 1945 Hitler appointed Heinrich Himmler commander of Army Group Vistula -- a position for which he showed particular incompetence (he had zero military experience).
Hitler’s successor, Grand Admiral Karl Doenitz also labored under the illusion of a separate peace with the West. The Nazis did not realize that they were loathed by both East and West. The Soviets certainly wanted revenge for all the Nazi war crimes committed on their territory and nothing but unconditional surrender would do.
Uncivilized warpage
Hitler was not opposed (starting in 1943) to a separate peace with either the British/Americans or with Stalin. However he did not want to propose one until he had won a massive victory somewhere -- something that he was no longer capable of achieving. He wanted to negotiate from a position of strength.
waldensianspirit wrote:
That country would have to improve to be backwards and primitive.
Speranza wrote:
Never too much. Should be something on it everyday
Both Himmler and Goering were expelled from the Nazi Party by Hitler in April 1945. Himmler after word of his secret talks with Bernadotte were leaked, Goering after he had sent Hitler a telegram asking to be able to take over from him (Hitler) since he was isolated in Berlin.
Once a band of fools take over a country it doesn’t have much of a chance of avoiding self-destruction.
The one thing we have learned from history is that we don’t learn from history.
@ Speranza:
Yea primitive would be good. A place to start and they could then grow rapidly with eagerness to grow
waldensianspirit wrote:
Wrong. People should keep their God damned pie holes closed. What ever happened to the concept of the element of surprise?
Can you imagine it is late June 1976 and every day there is talk about an Israeli rescue mission headed for Entebbe?
Speranza wrote:
Himmler wasn’t much of a chicken farmer either before joining Hitler’s band of cronies.
@ Speranza:
Fogs creates surprise out of full fatiguing vigilance and apprehension causes mistakes in “scientific” endeavors
waldensianspirit wrote:
I would hate to contemplate what the Iranians have waiting for any Israeli warplanes over Natanz.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
He probably was decent enough -- about the only thing he was qualified for, cleaning up chick shit.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
is that in reference to the thread topic or to our current state of affairs? I can’t tell…
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
Probably we will see another Obama decades down the road again, only this one will look a little different. Americans have notoriously short memories.
Speranza wrote:
This is a different day and age with Obama’s America and MSM.
@ brookly red:
yes.
Speranza wrote:
no but I can imagine O having Idi Amin over for lunch…
waldensianspirit wrote:
this is not Obama’s America and I resent the use of that term.
The Devil’s Doctor: Felix Kersten and the Secret Plot to Turn Himmler Against Hitler
This is a great read and window into Himmler’s machinations
brookly red wrote:
Idi Amin would eat Obama for lunch.
Speranza wrote:
In more ways than one!!
In reading a lot of the biographies of the founding fathers and studying history, the (founding fathers) put a lot of trust in the newspapers and reporters to keep the government honest. When, and more importantly, why did this change?
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
Thank you. the next time someone asks me to say something good about O I will say “well at least he is not a cannibal”
@ Dolphin:
Well, I’d say at the beginning of the Progressive era about 100 years ago when the Communists and their sympathizers began their strategy of affecting change via academia, culture, organized labor and “group” movement politics and organizing.
It’s a well-organized “work in progress.” Pun intended.
brookly red wrote:
But do we really know that for sure??
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
That guy would eat anything.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
http://mpdc.dc.gov/mpdc/cwp/view,a,1243,q,543294,mpdcNav_GID,1533.asp
jusss sayin
@ Dolphin:
Have you seen this?
@ Bumr50:
So, if my math in my head is correct that would have been about Wilson time? So, in reality it is our own fault for continuing to ”listen” to the msm? From the top down they (leaders) have been pushing their agenda via the media -- but where is the integrity of the media?
/rhetorical
How do we fix this? I used to think Fox News was a start, but not so much anymore. I know the blogs are making a small impact, but (IMO) not enough.
Dolphin wrote:
Um, I believe your premise is mistaken.
Read about how Jefferson used the compliant press to smear Adams.
Checking in from beautiful OKC. thanks SADM!
Himmler had a daughter, Gudren, who I believe is still alive and an unreconstructed Nazi.
This film glosses over Himmler’s stay in the hospital for ‘a cold’. He was hiding out/running away.
Albert Speer did the same thing but for different reasons, I think. Himmler hid out when he was given command of an Army and knew he was incompetent. Speer hid out when he finally figured out what was going on with the Jews.
Dolphin wrote:
We’re starting from an even bigger disadvantage due to the fact the GOP has pretty much ignored the problem, or in many cases went along with it.
No matter how loud we can be on the Right whether it be in the blogosphere, at the voting booth, or at rallies, we’ll never advance unless we can get a viable political party that’s willing to admit the size and scope of the problem without being skeered of the media or Democrats calling them “sensational” and “outrageous.” Then a clear message needs to be communicated by whatever means necessary.
The Left has messaging and propaganda down to a science, while the GOP seems content to delude themselves into thinking that the American public will research issues on their own and reasonably conclude that the Conservative argument is stronger.
@ Bumr50:
I have seen the trailer before, posted here. Just ordered it (have the extra $$ right now). Thanks for the reminder. This DVD will get a lot of play time for the money!
eaglesoars wrote:
A big difference back in the old days the press was open and honest about its bias and point of view. Today’s Big Lie is that the main stream media is fair and impartial; both false claims.
@ eaglesoars:
Different perspective. Yes all politicians have used the media against each other, but the responsibility of the media to report the truth and facts to the public is what I was referring to (or in today’s society, the lack of it).
@ Macker:
Cool! Where is you final destination?
@ Macker:
I missed whatever happened to you, but I’m keeping you in my prayers and wish you the best of luck!
You have lots of friends here in da Burgh.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
one of the few European things I agree with… they call their press what it is. If you buy El Progesso, La Nationalist, Socialisto etc. you know what you are getting.
Dolphin wrote:
I’ve always been a news hound,read 2 newspapers per day and never missed the 5PM news. I was a dedicated Peter Jennings/ABC guy until the 2000 election when I discovered Fox News and the expanding blogosphere. Up until Fox and the blogosphere, ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN had a monopoly on broadcast news. At any rate, in 2000 I realized that Pete and his other media cohorts had been lying to me for as long as I had been watching them. The print media was/is every bit as bad and they no longer get a dime of my money. The new media is making a difference and it’s a thorn in Obammy’s ass. I firmly believe that the internet played a major role in bringing down the Soviet Union. The free dissemination of news, information and truth is a killer for totalitarians.
@ Bumr50:
Again, why are we in that position (disadvantage)?
@ Da_Beerfreak:
That is my point. What changed and why?
Again I think that question is rhetorical. When/why did the media quit looking out for the citizens and start protecting the “leaders”?
Dolphin wrote:
Please allow me to introduce myself, I am a man of wealth & taste…
@ huckfunn:
I think we made that discovery about the same time. That is also about when I went on my quest for the real truth, about everything. I have become very disappointed with fox as of recent. Almost can’t watch it anymore.
huckfunn wrote:
unless of course you live in Egypt
Dolphin wrote:
I have not had a television in many years… do you have the balls to really be free?
brookly red wrote:
Best version right here. Great Keith Richards riff at the end of the song.
brookly red wrote:
Ahem… that was the wrong question for her.
@ Dolphin:
What’s happened with Fox is a very good example, IMHO, of what’s happened in general.
The Left talks as though they are correct in all matters, and any dissenting view from their secular, globalist, Marxist utopia is branded as “extreme.”
FNC deliberately moved Left in order to placate the disciples of this worldview to appear more moderate, and they did it because they care about the opinions of a few movers and shakers and are AFRAID to be viewed as “extreme.”
brookly red wrote:
First, I’ll have to ask my wife where they are…
//
Bumr50 wrote:
There’s a good lad.
@ Dolphin:
Off hand I’d have to say around the time the bottom line (or the party line) became more important then the by line (or the truth).
@ brookly red:
Again, that was not the driving force 150 years ago, it was reporting facts. It was based on the the reputation and honesty of the reporter that sold the story (well that the paper bought the story from the independent news person) -- maybe I just answered my own question, maybe there should not be reporters who are employed by the media, they should be independent and paid accordingly so.
Again, rhetorical. LOL/ Won’t ever happen today.
@ Bumr50:
Understood. That is why I cheer for Rush and Beck for doing what they are doing, whether you agree with them or not!
Got to get off. Nite all! Thanks for the banter!
huckfunn wrote:
balls are just a state of mind…
@ brookly red:
Balls.
Dolphin wrote:
What changed was the publication of a little book called “Das Kaptial” published in 1867 in Germany. Then the next significant change was Joseph Goebbels. The advocates of Marxism began to infiltrate America’s educational system in the late 1800′s and early 1900′s.
When those early Marxist’s in America saw the profound affect that Joseph Goebbels Ministry of Propaganda had on the German people they made the decision to branch out into the media, first Hollyweird, then the various schools of Journalism like Columbia and Annenberg.
Joseph Goebbels taught them that what they were already doing a few students at a time in the Universities across America could also be done on a massive scale through Movies and Television and print publications. That my dear Dolphin is what changed.
Senator Joesph McCarthy was 100 percent right about them, sadly on a personal note, he was also a bit of an asshole. Worse yet, they had already by the time McCarthy became aware of them, infiltrated academia, the legal system, politics and the media to perhaps a hundred time greater degree than even he suspected.
When he attempted to expose them they responded from directions and places he was 100 percent unprepared for. Their hit job/character assignation of him was so successful that even today most Americans believe the lies and misinformation written about him. By the early 50′s nearly a full quarter of the American Fourth Estate were already members of the Fifth Column Treasonous Media. Right now it’s closer to 80 percent with nearly 60 percent being so brainwashed that they are constitutionally and intellectually incapable of the personal honesty required to even understand that they are TREASONOUS BASTARDS.
Just got back from Universal Studio in Orlando, had fun!
@ Rodan:
Universal kicks Disney’s ass IMHO.
Haven’t been there since Harry Potter opened, tho…
Six shot, one dead in Congressman Bobby “Hoodie” Rush’s district tonight. No word on how many were wearing hoodies.
@ Speranza:
Hitler was a horrible war leader.
huckfunn wrote:
The question is not, how many were wearing “Hoodies”, but was the shooter someone who could in any possible stretch of creditably be claimed to be “WHITE”…
@ huckfunn:
Posted earlier.
Hoodie Day Tomorrow!
@ Bumr50:
I didn’t think Harry Potter was that great. It’s really more for kids. Best rides are:
The Hulk
The Rock it
The Dragon Challenge
The mummy
The Mummy
The Simpsons
Dolphin wrote:
Beck has become nutso.
eaglesoars wrote:
That’s true.
@ Rodan:
I like the Hulk. I got sick in Spider-Man.
@ doriangrey:
OK, last post and I will come back tomorrow and read the replays.
Have you read ” Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight against America’s Enemies”? Author is M. Stanton Evans.
I have not read it, but it is on my list. I have heard/read +/- on McCarthy and want to understand more.
I will admit my knowledge of this era in weak.
eaglesoars wrote:
He spent most of his time at the S.S. hospital in Hohenlychen.
@ Bumr50:
I rode the Hulk 3 times. The last one was when it was dark. Mt friend and I were at the front seats!
doriangrey wrote:
Southside Chicago? I’m thinkin NO.
Dolphin wrote:
Yes. It is an exceptional read and worth every second it takes to read.
Bumr50 wrote:
The only fair follow up would be “9mm day”.
huckfunn wrote:
OK, fall back position, any witnesses talking to the talking heads yet who can positively confirm that the shooter was not WHITE? If not, they can always make shit up whole cloth.
@ Speranza:
Same was said about Rush when he broke from ABC and created IBC(?). I think Beck did a lot of good when he was on fox.
Tell me something Beck has been wrong about. You may not like his style, but the facts remain.
Dangit, quit drawing me back in //j/k.
Gudrun Burwitz nee Himmler -- Nazi bitch!
Dolphin wrote:
Beck has said some really nutty things since leaving Fox and seems to have become almost a Paulian. His time has come and gone. He was better on Fox although at times he acted as if he was on the verge of a breakdown.
@ doriangrey:
Thanks. Wasn’t sure if it was legit or not. Will purchase.
Bumr50 wrote:
Good grief the stupid is being piled on!
@ Speranza:
I listened to him on the radio and watched him on CNN before he ever hit fox, yeah, he is a bit over the top, but when has he been wrong?
Out for real!
@ Speranza:
Earlier in the day the story was being reported as a “student walkout” that the officials decided to “allow.”
Curiously, it’s been changed.
Dolphin wrote:
Oh yea, it’s legit all right, M. Stanton Evans is a big time serious academic and journalist of impeccable repute (one of the few individuals that can genuinely make that claim).
Dolphin wrote:
EIB… Excellence in Broadcasting.
Dolphin wrote:
When he said anybody who supported Gingrich has to be a racist.
Fuck him.
Bumr50 wrote:
They just indulge these thugs time and time again. They cannot be appeased.
eaglesoars wrote:
Not a fan of Gingrich’s but I agree, fuck him (Glenn Beck) for saying that.
Fact check your ass -- Glenn Beck: ‘Tea Party folks supporting Gingrich racists’?
doriangrey wrote:
I have not seen a serious evaluation of one of Goebbels’ most brilliant moves.
He gave EVERYBODY radios. People who were still hauling their groceries home by horsecart listened to the disembodied voice of Der Furher.
The psychological impact had to have been tremendous.
@ eaglesoars:
Yup!
@ huckfunn:
I like Keith Richards as a guitarist but I always felt that his fellow Rolling Stoner Mick Taylor was better.
@ eaglesoars:
Goebbels was appinted Reichs Chancellor in Hitler’s will. Goebbels actually tried to negotiate with the Red Army commander of the 8th Guards Army, Vassili Chuikov (8th Guards Army was the heroic 62nd Army at Stalingrad) and said to him in a message that a National Socialist Germany hostile to Western capitalism would be of great use to the USSR. Chuikov told him to fuck off. After that he committed suicide and took his wife and 6 children with him.
Well, before I sign off, I’d just like to share a prayer of thanks.
Took the garbage out and the door I exited from lock-jammed. Couldn’t get back in. All other doors locked. (No, I didn’t hide keys outside -- I will as of tomorrow morning).
Thank you for wonderful neighbors, a very knowledgable locksmith and balmy weather.
Just one question, Lord.
WHY DOES THIS ALWAYS HAPPEN WHEN MY HUSBAND IS OUT OF TOWN?
‘k,thanks, nite.
Speranza wrote:
Zukhov told everybody to fuck off. Including Stalin.
If I ever get a chance, I’m paying my respects at that man’s grave.
nite
eaglesoars wrote:
If you are masochistic enough to force yourself to watch them, their are documentaries out there about them.
What about SS Obergruppenfuhrer Hans Kammler, who Himmler put in charge of all the rocket projects formerly run by the Wehrmacht and the jet aircraft projects formerly run by the Luftwaffe in 1944.
Some people say he escaped to the dark side of the moon!
@ The Osprey:
Heh heh heh, can’t wait for that one to come out at my local RedBox…
@ The Osprey:
Nazi UFOs! Charles will love this.
Rodan wrote:
1) Get copy of Iron Sky’s and edit out News segments.
2) Post edited segments on DOD as “Real Breaking News”
3) Profit (when Chunkels see’s them and flips out)
Rodan wrote:
And it looks like Sarah Palin and her orbital rail gun is the only thing that can stop them!
Chucky will have to decide if he would rather be ruled by Sarah Palin or the Nazis from the Moon! He will choke on his Cheetos™ over this!
Bumr50 wrote:
My teenage son would get ‘in-school suspensions’ for wearing his hood up in class. The classes are FREEZING with the air-conditioners set so low. This is because of ‘modern’ school designs that dictate year round climate conditioning. No more open the windows for fresh air.
Anyway, lately, there’s not a peep of protest from faculty about the students with their hoods up in class.
This is the only thing positive I can say about this ‘hoodies’ controversy.