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The most terrible economic recovery in United States history

by Speranza ( 124 Comments › )
Filed under Economy, Inflation, unemployment at April 4th, 2012 - 8:00 am

Why the GOP does not hit Obama day after day after day about the economy is beyond me. It seems to me that Obama really does not care about unemployment, a spiraling national debt, or growing inflation – what he cares about is the use and abuse of power in his never ending quest to socialize the U.S. economy.  Give him four more years and I shudder at the thought as to the damage he will do.

by Edward P. Lazear

How many times have we heard that this was the worst recession since the Great Depression? That may be true—although the double-dip recession of the early 1980s was about comparable. Less publicized is that our current recovery pales in comparison with most other recoveries, including the one following the Great Depression.

The Great Depression started with major economic contractions in 1930, ’31, ’32 and ’33. In the three following years, the economy rebounded strongly with growth rates of 11%, 9% and 13%, respectively.

The current recovery began in the second half of 2009, but economic growth has been weak. Growth in 2010 was 3% and in 2011 it was 1.7%. Who knows what 2012 will bring, but the current growth rate looks to be about 2%, according to the consensus of economists recently polled by Blue Chip Economic Indicators. Sadly, we have never really recovered from the recession. The economy has not even returned to its long-term growth rate and is certainly not making up for lost ground. No doubt, there are favorable economic numbers to be found, but overall we continue to struggle.

During the postwar period up to the current recession (1947-2007), the average annual growth rate for the U.S. was 3.4%. The last three decades have experienced somewhat slower growth than the earlier periods, but even in the period 1977-2007, the average growth rate was 3%. According to the National Bureau of Economic Research, the recovery began in the second half of 2009. Since that time, the economy has grown at 2.4%, below our long-term trend by either measure. At this point, the economy is 12% smaller than it would have been had we stayed on trend growth since 2007.

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Contrast this weak growth with the recovery that followed the other large recession of recent decades. In the early 1980s, the economy experienced a double-dip recession, with contractions in both 1980 and ’82. But growth rates in the subsequent two years averaged almost 6%. The high growth that persisted throughout the 1980s brought the economy quickly back to the trend line. Unlike the current period, from 1983 on, the economy was in rapid catch-up mode and eventually regained all that had been lost during the early ’80s.

Indeed, that was the expectation. As economist Victor Zarnowitz of the University of Chicago argued many years ago, the strength of the recovery is related to the depth of the recession. Big recessions are followed by robust recoveries, presumably because more idle resources are available to be tapped. Unfortunately, the current post-recession period has not followed the pattern.

The 2007-09 recession was induced by a financial crisis and some, most notably economists Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff (authors of “This Time is Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly”), argue that financial crises pose more difficult recovery problems than do policy-induced recessions.

The early ’80s recession could be viewed as induced by the Federal Reserve’s tight monetary policy (i.e., raising interest rates), which was designed to rein in inflation. Growth returns more rapidly, they argue, when the policy hindering it changes (i.e., the Fed lowers interest rates) than when the economy is struggling after a severe credit crisis like the one we experienced after the 2008 collapse of Bear Stearns.

But some, Stanford economist John Taylor being their leading spokesman, argue that the current recession was caused by Fed policy as well—rates remained too low for too long in the lead up to the subprime mortgage fiasco. The Great Depression also began with a financial crisis but saw high growth rates following contractionary years, and the output lost in negative years was eventually regained through higher subsequent growth.

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  1. 1 | April 4, 2012 8:22 am

    It’ll be interesting to see what the GOP does now that Romneyessentially has the nomination sewn up. Will they shift into attacking Obama? They certainly should, but I am afraid that Romney has saved his harshest barbs for the Republicans trying to deny him his “birthright” to the nomination. I am afraid that he’ll be “collegial” to Obama, and run more or less the same campaign that McCain ran last time. That will fail, just as it did in 2008. We must expound on how dangerous and radical Obama is, how bad a President he has been, and how badly it will damage the country if he is re-elected. If we say that he’ll be just fine as President (as McCain did in 2008), the we might as well get used to the idea of a second Obama term.


  2. Speranza
    2 | April 4, 2012 8:55 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    It’ll be interesting to see what the GOP does now that Romneyessentially has the nomination sewn up. Will they shift into attacking Obama?

    I would sure hope so.


  3. Speranza
    3 | April 4, 2012 8:56 am

    As lame as McCain was, Obama won in 2008 by running against Bush. Essentially he defeated W.


  4. mawskrat
    4 | April 4, 2012 9:05 am

    Good Mornin All…make it a great day

    guess I’ll be voting for Romney


  5. Speranza
    5 | April 4, 2012 9:07 am

    mawskrat wrote:

    Good Mornin All…make it a great day
    guess I’ll be voting for Romney

    Anyone But Obama.


  6. MikeA
    6 | April 4, 2012 9:11 am

    @ mawskrat:
    @ Speranza:

    RON PAUL!!!!!!

    ////


  7. 7 | April 4, 2012 9:16 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    They will not dare attack the Pharaoh. Romney will run on platitudes and on being the Non Obama. He thinks by being nothing he will win. He’s wrong, but you and I know this.


  8. 8 | April 4, 2012 9:16 am

    @ Speranza:

    Anybody but Obama, true, but it would help if Romney could trouble himself to give us a reason to vote for him as opposed to just against Obama. You and I will turn out to vote against Obama, but we are more politically aware than the average American. I am very much afraid that the average voter will look at the choices, shrug his or her shoulders, and stay home on election day. Romney has done nothing to generate any enthusiasm. Even the people who are voting for him in the primary have no enthusiasm for him. They have just bought the narrative that he is most “electible”. I am very much afraid that he is going to dissappoint us, just as Bob Dole and John McCian did. He is cut from the same cloth as them, and look how successful they were. If Romney does manage to pull it out, it will only be because Obama is so awful. I am afraid that that won’t be enough to motivate enough voters to elect Romney.


  9. 9 | April 4, 2012 9:18 am

    @ mawskrat:

    I’m voting against Obama. I despise Romney, but I hate Obama even more. This is a pathetic choice, Socialism (Romney) vs. Marxism (Obama). This nation is toast either way.


  10. 10 | April 4, 2012 9:20 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    but it would help if Romney could trouble himself to give us a reason to vote for him as opposed to just against Obama

    He only wants to be President because his daddy wasn’t. He has no vision or plan. He just thinks he can manage Socialism better than Obnama.

    I am very much afraid that the average voter will look at the choices, shrug his or her shoulders, and stay home on election day.

    No one in my family is voting this time around. They despise both parties.


  11. 11 | April 4, 2012 9:22 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Obama has a god like divinity for many people. He is a symbol and that’s why he will defeat Romney. Only if you destroy Obama the person can he be beaten, but Romney will not go that route. He already called Obama a nice man. That right there sealed his fate.


  12. citizen_q
    12 | April 4, 2012 9:23 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    it would help if Romney could trouble himself to give us a reason to vote for him as opposed to just against Obama.

    I don’t think that I have ever voted for someone to major office. I have voted against their opponent by choosing the lesser evil.


  13. 13 | April 4, 2012 9:24 am

    Rodan wrote:

    No one in my family is voting this time around. They despise both parties.

    And see, that hurts us down-ticket. That may be the thing that keeps us from getting control of the Senate. I am very much afraid that this will be a status quo election, and we’ll come out of it exactly where we are today, except with an Obama unleashed. With more “flexibility”, as he told Putin’s emmisary. If that happens, we are hosed. We can’t hope that the Supreme Court can save us from all of Obama’s follies. The Supreme Court has no real say in foreign policy at all. Only the Senate has any real check on th ePresident in that realm. I’ll be honest, I am scared of what may come of this election, and I will blame Romney and the Republican Establishment if we don’t win the White House and the Senate. We should win both, but I am very much afraid that we won’t win either.


  14. 14 | April 4, 2012 9:25 am

    I have one cousin who has been working part time for more than two years because he can’t find full time employment. I have another who just received hi three-month notice of layoff and still another who had his pay cut by 20% “for the foreseeable future“. They’re all in their 50s and the cold truth that their productive years may well be over is beginning to sink in.

    Even the administration admits that unemployment will be high for some time to come.

    We have a younger generation whose lives are being placed “on hold”, not for months, but for YEARS and how many years it will be is still open to question. We have people in their 50s who are losing what they’ve worked to build their entire lives. One generation is being squeezed out of the possibility o owning a home and another generation is losing their’s with little to show for it.

    This isn’t a generational war; WE’RE ALL GETTING SCREWED.


  15. 15 | April 4, 2012 9:33 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I will blame Romney and the Republican Establishment if we don’t win the White House and the Senate. We should win both, but I am very much afraid that we won’t win either.

    I’m with you on that. Obama should he win should send a thank you to the RNC.


  16. 16 | April 4, 2012 9:34 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    This isn’t a generational war; WE’RE ALL GETTING SCREWED.

    This is intentional. The goal of Socialism is to make things worse in every way possible to bring about the conditions for a violent revolution to overthrow the existing order and establish a Dictatorship where the Revolutionary Vangard are in charge. Obama sees himself as the spear-point of this Revolutionary Vangard, and those around him (Valeria Jarret, Van Jones, etc.) are the rest of the Vangard that will run the dictatorship after the Revolution. Obama is an radical extremist, but because the MFM covers for him so much, most of the people don’t realize how extreme he really is. It is only when he slips up badly, like his threat to the Supreme Court the other day, that the mask comes off and people who are watching closely can see how radical he really is.


  17. citizen_q
    17 | April 4, 2012 9:34 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    This isn’t a generational war; WE’RE ALL GETTING SCREWED.

    Except for obama and his buds. They are living large.


  18. mawskrat
    18 | April 4, 2012 9:35 am

    @ citizen_q:

    voting for the least of the worst stinks


  19. 19 | April 4, 2012 9:35 am

    @ MacDuff:

    What are you talking about? This is the greatest economic boom in world history! The Pharaoh has said so and you are racist for doubting his divine wisdom!
    ////////


  20. 20 | April 4, 2012 9:37 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    He was calling the Republicans social Darwinist. Funny, that’s a Progressive concept and he doesn’t get called on it.


  21. 21 | April 4, 2012 9:40 am

    @ Speranza:

    It’s hard to remember that up until the time Johnny Boy went riding into Washington to “save” the economy (even though the deal was already done with Paulson and the Democrat Congress), he was LEADING Obama in the polls. It was this, coupled with his absolute refusal to actually, you know, campaign and forbid others to campaign on his behalf (since he was doing such a shit job of it) that killed it.

    Because…..because…..IT WAS HISTORIC!!!

    I see where Obama is going to “introduce” the 50th Anniversary of “To Kill a Mockingbird” on AMC (TCM?). Jesus Jumped Up Christ in a Sidecar -- is there nowhere we can go to get away from this shithead and his mooching wife? I thought NASCAR was safe until last year.

    Way to ruin my effing favorite movie, dirt bag. I’d rather hear from Harper Lee, Mary Badham or Philip Alford -- not YOU!


  22. 22 | April 4, 2012 9:42 am

    He’s down to -18 at Ras, with an overall 54% disapproval today. I guess those attacks on the Supreme Court aren’t panning out like he thought.


  23. 23 | April 4, 2012 9:42 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    Obama has a god like divinity for many people. He is a symbol and that’s why he will defeat Romney. Only if you destroy Obama the person can he be beaten, but Romney will not go that route. He already called Obama a nice man. That right there sealed his fate.

    Have you SEEN Obama lately? He’s rattled. He is NOT projecting confidence, he’s looking a lot like a man who’s being backed in a corner. He’s looking like a man who has skated through on adoration and is seeing some cracks in the god-like facade he’s built. When he’s cornered, he lashes out and reveals himself to be the petulant self-centered puts we know him to be instead of the amiable, articulate, above-the-fray intellectual that he’s been portraying.

    As I’ve said before, I’m not at all pessimistic about our chances.


  24. 24 | April 4, 2012 9:44 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Jesus Jumped Up Christ in a Sidecar – is there nowhere we can go to get away from this shithead and his mooching wife?

    Big Brother is Watching YOU. If you think Obama is bad now, wait until after he is re-elected. I expect hm to pull out all the stops, and go full-bore Third World Dictator. Rule by decree, especially if we take the Senate narrowly (and I don’t imagine that we’ll get it by much if we get it).


  25. 25 | April 4, 2012 9:44 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Mac -- he is not sounding like a grounded individual, that’s for sure. He is attacking seemingly at random. If my proposed budget had gone down 441 -- 0, I sure as heck wouldn’t be attacking the budget that DID pass. I also wouldn’t be attacking the Supreme Court’s deliberations by essentially saying that Marbury v. Madison, 1 Cranch 137 (1803), doesn’t exist.


  26. huckfunn
    26 | April 4, 2012 9:45 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    He was calling the Republicans social Darwinist. Funny, that’s a Progressive concept and he doesn’t get called on it.

    We all know that the Obama regime is the biggest bunch of liars ever to cast a shadow in Washington, but it seemed to me that they would make some effort to make the lies somewhat plausible. However, for the past 2 weeks, it seems that they make no pretense for truth whatsoever. Everything that Obama and his commissars say are naked lies. Did you see the Bret Baier -- Jay Carney interview yesterday?


  27. Speranza
    27 | April 4, 2012 9:46 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Anybody but Obama, true, but it would help if Romney could trouble himself to give us a reason to vote for him as opposed to just against Obama.

    I understand, but right now that is good enough for me.


  28. Speranza
    28 | April 4, 2012 9:48 am

    @ Carolina Girl:
    I guess Meghan Mac’s boobs daddy was afraid that he might win.


  29. 29 | April 4, 2012 9:49 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Fist -- and that’s where Romney (or whoever, but I’ll assume Romney) needs to go -- let people know that if he is attempting this type of power grab in an election year -- imagine what will transpire when he no longer has to worry about re-election.

    The problem for Bammy the Boy King is that his little monster called OWS, his device for running against Romney, is completely out of control and alienating the voting public. Which is good for us, since the TEA Party’s back in action and the contrast will be remarkable.


  30. Speranza
    30 | April 4, 2012 9:49 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I see where Obama is going to “introduce” the 50th Anniversary of “To Kill a Mockingbird” on AMC (TCM?).

    He wastes time on so much extraneous nonsense such as NCAA picks, movie introductions, etc.


  31. 31 | April 4, 2012 9:50 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    McCain gave the greatest concession speech in American history!


  32. Speranza
    32 | April 4, 2012 9:50 am

    Social Darwinism? You mean he is a Creaaaaationist????


  33. Speranza
    33 | April 4, 2012 9:51 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    McCain gave the greatest concession speech in American history!

    Thankfully I went to bed that night and missed it. Two days later I flew to Prague and was happy to get out of the country for 5 nights.


  34. 34 | April 4, 2012 9:52 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Yeah, it is certainly possible for Romney to win. I just don’t trust him to run a winning campaign. He won’t go as negative on Obama as he has Santorum and Gingrich, and he won’t be able to out-spend Obama 7-1 they way he has in the primaries, either. It’d be one thing if we were seeing him rack up huge wins, but we aren’t. He needs to do something to kick-start his campaign, and he hasn’t and won’t. That bodes ill for us in the fall. Maybe he’ll take the gloves off on Obama now that he has the nomination essentially sewn up. Maybe. We’ll see.


  35. 35 | April 4, 2012 9:53 am

    @ huckfunn:

    Just the lies this week were amazing.

    For instance, he cited Lochner in his speech yesterday, which has nothing to do with Federal law -- it was a state interfering with contracts of private individuals.

    “Passed with a strong majority” by “duly elected legislature.” Really? Six votes in the House is a “strong majority?” Since when? And three of those 60 Senate votes were by Senators appointed by their states -- not elected.

    I’m more a Constitutional scholar that that louse.


  36. 36 | April 4, 2012 9:54 am

    @ Speranza:

    He is a Social Creationist. The Lord God Government creates wealth, or at least subsistance. Bow to God Government! It’ll be the official State Religion if Obama is re-elected.


  37. 37 | April 4, 2012 9:54 am

    @ Speranza:

    Fortunately, I have the DVD, with “extras” but I would have liked to see a informal dias of the living actors from the movie and Harper Lee -- of course, Obama’s introduction will make the movie all about HIM.


  38. citizen_q
    38 | April 4, 2012 9:56 am

    @ mawskrat:
    I am not happy about it. However, much as I am not happy with my choices, that pales in comparison to obama having a second term.


  39. citizen_q
    39 | April 4, 2012 9:58 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    He was calling the Republicans social Darwinist. Funny, that’s a Progressive concept and he doesn’t get called on it.

    It is projection.

    Guess it worked so well for the muzzies, especially against Israel, the dimms in general and obammy in particular could not ignore it as a tactic.


  40. 40 | April 4, 2012 9:58 am

    @ MacDuff:

    The GOP has pissed off alot of voting blocks by pandering to a certain element. They have 7 months to repair the damage, but Obama has this machine behind him. The way to beat him is to personally attack him.


  41. 41 | April 4, 2012 9:58 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    All Romney needs to do is attack the record -- make Obama go ad hominem instead. Attack the record, attack the record. Yes, Romneycare is a problem, but he’s right on this -- it was on the state level, where a lot of programs are valid, and not on a federal level, which is Unconstitutional. Attack the lies on oil production, attack the wasting of money on green jobs and companies, attack the viciousness with which he goes after private citizens (i.e., the Koch Brothers, the TEA Party, etc.) while all the while accepting support from George Soros, is furthering OWS, is instigating class warfare. Attack the request for tax records in the interests of “transparency” while hiding all of his school records. In fact, Romney, as a joke, ought to release his transcripts and challenge Obama to do the same. It would be hilarious.


  42. 42 | April 4, 2012 9:59 am

    @ Speranza:

    I’m thinking of going to Colombia or DR for a few days. I’ll send in an absentee ballot and will mourn at the Pharaoh’s coronation.


  43. 43 | April 4, 2012 10:00 am

    @ citizen_q:

    It does work when you have a compliant media.


  44. 44 | April 4, 2012 10:01 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    He is a Social Creationist. The Lord God Government creates wealth, or at least subsistance. Bow to God Government! It’ll be the official State Religion if Obama is re-elected.

    He is the Pharaoh in Chief ™!


  45. Speranza
    45 | April 4, 2012 10:02 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    He is a Social Creationist. The Lord God Government creates wealth, or at least subsistance. Bow to God Government! It’ll be the official State Religion if Obama is re-elected.

    I never heard that. It’s funny.


  46. 46 | April 4, 2012 10:03 am

    @ Rodan:

    Yes -- they need to get into damage control mode NOW -- not five months from now. Romney needs to embrace the conservative aims of the TEA Party. He needs to bring minorities into the fold by showing how the Republican party and conservatives are their pathway to upward mobility and prosperity. Also get to work on debunking the fictitious war on women.

    Someone give that clown my phone number. I’ll give him good campaign advice.


  47. Speranza
    47 | April 4, 2012 10:03 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Fortunately, I have the DVD, with “extras” but I would have liked to see a informal dias of the living actors from the movie and Harper Lee – of course, Obama’s introduction will make the movie all about HIM.

    The girl who played Scout, Mary Badham never really did much after that. She appeared in an episode of The Twilight zone that’s all I remember. Brock Peters died a few years ago.


  48. 48 | April 4, 2012 10:05 am

    @ Speranza:

    A couple movies -- “This Property is Condemned” with Natalie Wood. I saw a recent photo (I think we’re the same age). Bless her -- she still looks like Scout. Heck -- she actually looks a lot like Harper Lee.


  49. 49 | April 4, 2012 10:06 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    No one in my family is voting this time around. They despise both parties.
    And see, that hurts us down-ticket. That may be the thing that keeps us from getting control of the Senate. I am very much afraid that this will be a status quo election, and we’ll come out of it exactly where we are today, except with an Obama unleashed. With more “flexibility”, as he told Putin’s emmisary. If that happens, we are hosed. We can’t hope that the Supreme Court can save us from all of Obama’s follies. The Supreme Court has no real say in foreign policy at all. Only the Senate has any real check on th ePresident in that realm. I’ll be honest, I am scared of what may come of this election, and I will blame Romney and the Republican Establishment if we don’t win the White House and the Senate. We should win both, but I am very much afraid that we won’t win either.

    We’ll be voting GOP across the board but we might be doing so via absentee ballot by that time. Depends how bad the economy still is by that time.

    MacDuff wrote:

    I have one cousin who has been working part time for more than two years because he can’t find full time employment. I have another who just received hi three-month notice of layoff and still another who had his pay cut by 20% “for the foreseeable future“. They’re all in their 50s and the cold truth that their productive years may well be over is beginning to sink in.
    Even the administration admits that unemployment will be high for some time to come.
    We have a younger generation whose lives are being placed “on hold”, not for months, but for YEARS and how many years it will be is still open to question. We have people in their 50s who are losing what they’ve worked to build their entire lives. One generation is being squeezed out of the possibility o owning a home and another generation is losing their’s with little to show for it.
    This isn’t a generational war; WE’RE ALL GETTING SCREWED.

    That’s why we’re still thinking of emigrating. We will still have relatives and friends here, so as long as we continue to be US citizens (for all we know, the grabbermint may decide they don’t want us any more, lol) we’ll cast our votes in the best interests of the American people.


  50. 50 | April 4, 2012 10:06 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Yeah, the avenue is there for Romney to really clean up if he will do it. I am very much afraid that he will run a campaign like John McCain’s or Bob Dole’s, where he is an also-ran from the get-go. He doesn’t want to be PResident. He wants to give a good concession speech. I hope he proves me wrong on that, because there is a lot he can do if only he will do it.


  51. Speranza
    51 | April 4, 2012 10:06 am

    Mary Badham She’s the younger sister of director John Badham.


  52. Speranza
    52 | April 4, 2012 10:06 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    A couple movies – “This Property is Condemned” with Natalie Wood. I saw a recent photo (I think we’re the same age). Bless her – she still looks like Scout. Heck – she actually looks a lot like Harper Lee.

    She was born October 7, 1952.


  53. 53 | April 4, 2012 10:08 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Romney also has to repair the damage with the Hispanic community. He losing them 70% to 15%.


  54. Speranza
    54 | April 4, 2012 10:10 am

    @ MikeA:
    Luap Nor!


  55. 55 | April 4, 2012 10:10 am

    @ 1389AD:

    If I was younger in my 20′s, I would immigrate to Colombia in a heart beat. But I’m 36 and don’t feel like starting over or owe relatives for a job.


  56. Speranza
    56 | April 4, 2012 10:11 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I’m thinking of going to Colombia or DR for a few days. I’ll send in an absentee ballot and will mourn at the Pharaoh’s coronation.

    I might do something like that myself. Cannot stand the thought of the libs at my office gloating.


  57. 57 | April 4, 2012 10:14 am

    “Social Darwinism” -- another fine example of scientism.


  58. 58 | April 4, 2012 10:14 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Mac – he is not sounding like a grounded individual, that’s for sure. He is attacking seemingly at random. If my proposed budget had gone down 441 – 0, I sure as heck wouldn’t be attacking the budget that DID pass. I also wouldn’t be attacking the Supreme Court’s deliberations by essentially saying that Marbury v. Madison, 1 Cranch 137 (1803), doesn’t exist.

    I’ve closely watched his face and he’s looking increasingly besieged; showing no signs of being, as you said, “grounded”. Going off on SCOTUS is strange enough, but this is the second time he’s done it. In both cases, he was not only openly critical and intimidating, he proffered his own opinion as unsolicited “advice”.

    Yesterday, he lectured the press on the proper way of covering his positions.


  59. citizen_q
    59 | April 4, 2012 10:18 am

    @ 1389AD:
    @ Rodan:
    @ Speranza:
    Much as I dread what our country is being tortured into, it is my country, my home, I’m staying.

    All things considered, I can’t think of any other place I would rather be.

    Thank G-d I work from my home office, and I don’t have to interact much with my colleagues. When I do, it is all work focused.


  60. Speranza
    60 | April 4, 2012 10:18 am

    Obama would have felt right at home in Stalin’s U.S.S.R.


  61. 61 | April 4, 2012 10:24 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Obama would have felt right at home in Stalin’s U.S.S.R.

    ROTFLMAO… Obama would have been one of the very first people executed in a Soviet Gulag in Stalin’s Russia.


  62. 62 | April 4, 2012 10:26 am

    @ Speranza:

    A year and one week older. Hey, isn’t Chuck’s birthday next Friday. Should we all chip in for a gift? Liposuction gift card maybe?


  63. 63 | April 4, 2012 10:28 am

    @ doriangrey:

    Well, since he missed it, apparently he’s doing his damn best to recreate it here.


  64. 64 | April 4, 2012 10:30 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    A year and one week older. Hey, isn’t Chuck’s birthday next Friday. Should we all chip in for a gift? Liposuction gift card maybe?

    How about putting money up for a conscience transplant??? Of how about something he could really use, like cerebral rectal extraction surgery???


  65. 65 | April 4, 2012 10:30 am

    @ Speranza:

    Yeah I don’t want to see all the Obamabots partying.


  66. mawskrat
    66 | April 4, 2012 10:31 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ 1389AD:

    If I was younger in my 20′s, I would immigrate to Colombia in a heart beat. But I’m 36 and don’t feel like starting over or owe relatives for a job.

    I’m thinking of moving to LA


  67. m
    67 | April 4, 2012 10:32 am

    @ huckfunn:

    He played the exact same role Wasserman-Sgt Schultz played against Greta Van Susteren yesterday.

    Ignore the fact that the dems haven’t put forth a budget, ignore the fact that the obama budget was even voted down by their own party… but tear Paul Ryan’s budget to bits.

    Lather, rinse, repeat.


  68. m
    68 | April 4, 2012 10:35 am

    @ Speranza:

    I went out of the country about a week later as well. Did you have assholes congratulating you on the o-bam victory? Lord, I did and it just made me wanna smack’em.


  69. 69 | April 4, 2012 10:37 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    @ Rodan:
    @ Speranza:
    Much as I dread what our country is being tortured into, it is my country, my home, I’m staying.

    All things considered, I can’t think of any other place I would rather be.

    Thank G-d I work from my home office, and I don’t have to interact much with my colleagues. When I do, it is all work focused.

    Yeah, I’ve visited some very nice countries, several of which I’ve fallen in Love with and made return trips. I’ve not, however, seriously considered expatriation for more than a short period of time; they’re all “nice places to visit, but I wouldn’t want to live there”. That’s not intended as an affront to any of our friends abroad, I think a lot of it’s about what one is comfortable with and we’ve (for the time being) a pretty good gig, even with the problems.

    Were I 20-30 years younger, I may well consider the life of an expatriate.


  70. waldensianspirit
    70 | April 4, 2012 10:38 am

    Why maybe a lot of the GOP elites are addicted to this shit too


  71. 71 | April 4, 2012 10:39 am

    @ m:

    He gets away with it and doesn’t get called on it.


  72. 72 | April 4, 2012 10:39 am

    @ m:

    I took the day off. Funny, but they aren’t celebrating so much no mo’.


  73. 73 | April 4, 2012 10:41 am

    @ m:

    There’s we need to go. Attack. Attack. Attack. I sound like that dumbass Duck in the commercials.


  74. 74 | April 4, 2012 10:41 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    ROTFLMAO… Obama would have been one of the very first people executed in a Soviet Gulag in Stalin’s Russia.

    Socialists and Liberals have nothing but contempt for real history; it’s something that they see as malleable to achieve their end. That’s why the line between fact and opinion become increasingly ill-defined.


  75. 75 | April 4, 2012 10:42 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Obama needs to be attacked personally. He must be made to lose his cool and his nasty side come out. His god-king aura needs to be stripped and he must be turned into a normal politician. Once that happens, he can be defeated on policy.

    Right now he is a symbol and it must be destroyed.


  76. 76 | April 4, 2012 10:43 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    If I was younger in my 20′s, I would immigrate to Colombia in a heart beat. But I’m 36 and don’t feel like starting over or owe relatives for a job.

    My partner in the dragster keeps trying to convince me that we should move to Costa Rica (his dad owns property and is a Citizen there)… I’m not ready to give up on this experiment in self governance just yet, but I guess it’s kind of nice to know that there is another country out there that actually does want me to live there. :shock: :sad:


  77. 77 | April 4, 2012 10:45 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    How about putting money up for a conscience transplant???

    His body would reject it. Medical science is only so good…..


  78. 78 | April 4, 2012 10:46 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    How about putting money up for a conscience transplant???
    His body would reject it. Medical science is only so good…..

    ROTFLMAO…. True…


  79. 79 | April 4, 2012 10:49 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    How about putting money up for a conscience transplant???
    His body would reject it. Medical science is only so good…..

    Plus what surgeon would attempt the operation knowing that they would undoubtedly be charge first degree murder charges for killing a perfectly good conscience in the attempt?


  80. 80 | April 4, 2012 10:54 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Is Obama even human? Imagine he turns out to be some android invented in a lab?

    :lol:


  81. 81 | April 4, 2012 10:55 am

    @ doriangrey:

    Like you said yesterday, it will be ironic that Americans will start moving to Latin America in the future.


  82. 82 | April 4, 2012 10:57 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    Plus what surgeon would attempt the operation knowing that they would undoubtedly be charge first degree murder charges for killing a perfectly good conscience in the attempt?

    Yeah, casting a conscience into the cold, black hole that was once CJ’s conscience does raise some serious ethical questions. Sometimes death is the better option.


  83. waldensianspirit
    83 | April 4, 2012 10:57 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Like you said yesterday, it will be ironic that Americans will start moving to Latin America in the future.

    The Bush’s have bought a huge spread in Paraguay… … …just in case.


  84. 84 | April 4, 2012 11:05 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Is Obama even human? Imagine he turns out to be some android invented in a lab?

    Just his white half. Remember your history; white people were a science experiment undertaken by geniusoid African scientists, and the experiment went horribly wrong.

    I don’t know how you could have forgotten that!


  85. 85 | April 4, 2012 11:08 am

    @ Rodan:

    He is the most cold and calculating man ever to be in the White House (of course, I wasn’t around for the Wilson administration). I didn’t like Bill Clinton but the man did have an affable charm at times.

    Obama has nothing. He is a one-man socialist dream team.

    And does anyone else believe that whole bullshit “I’ve received letters from people telling me how great Obamacare is”?


  86. 86 | April 4, 2012 11:13 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Yakub!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    :lol:


  87. 87 | April 4, 2012 11:13 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    He needs to be exposed for the petty jerk he is.


  88. 88 | April 4, 2012 11:15 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Charles defended Louis Farrakhan.


  89. 89 | April 4, 2012 11:16 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    He is the most cold and calculating man ever to be in the White House (of course, I wasn’t around for the Wilson administration). I didn’t like Bill Clinton but the man did have an affable charm at times.
    Obama has nothing. He is a one-man socialist dream team.
    And does anyone else believe that whole bullshit “I’ve received letters from people telling me how great Obamacare is”?

    I have been pondering the strangest of ideas. Could it possibly be that future generations will look back on Obama with a fond reverence? Not for being a great president, but for having in his narcissistic arrogance attempted to transform a Constitutional Republic with annoying socialist tendencies into a Marxist Utopia in one fell swoop by the power of his will alone, and in the process awoken the average American to the dangers of Marxist infiltration of their government and thus united America as no other president in American history, against both himself and the corrupt Marxist attempting to overthrow their Republic?


  90. lobo91
    90 | April 4, 2012 11:16 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    And does anyone else believe that whole bullshit “I’ve received letters from people telling me how great Obamacare is”?

    Like this?


  91. Speranza
    91 | April 4, 2012 11:17 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    Much as I dread what our country is being tortured into, it is my country, my home, I’m staying.

    Oh I’m not emigrating. That SOB is not driving me out.


  92. Speranza
    92 | April 4, 2012 11:17 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    And does anyone else believe that whole bullshit “I’ve received letters from people telling me how great Obamacare is”?

    Mooch got Malia and Sasha and their friends to write a lot of letters. The rest came from PMSNBC.


  93. Speranza
    93 | April 4, 2012 11:18 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Charles defended Louis Farrakhan.

    Probably his lowest point into his descent into insanity.


  94. lobo91
    94 | April 4, 2012 11:18 am

    @ doriangrey:

    I’d say it’s about a 50-50 shot at this point…


  95. 95 | April 4, 2012 11:19 am

    @ Rodan:

    Well, the “alternative media” seems to be doing a respectable job in getting the message out. It’s been remarkable in changing public opinion on the Zimmerman case in Florida, for instance. As more and more facts come out, and current photos of Trayvon are released, the poverty pimps are starting to once again look like fools. I’m willing to bet Jerkson and Not-so-Sharpton will be leaving this in dust in the next few days.

    And I believe Not-so-Sharpton’s rally had a lower-than-expected turnout on Saturday. Plus all the reports of black-on-white “thrill” crimes since the incident aren’t furthering their case. I feel like asking the Divine Dufus if those boys that beat up the 50-year-old man -- thanks in part to his and the Justice Brothers’ race baiting -- also look like the son he never had.


  96. 96 | April 4, 2012 11:21 am

    @ Speranza:

    Rush Limbaugh postulated yesterday that now we’ll see these creepy NEA stooge teachers get their little skulls full of mush to “write letters to the Supreme Court not to take their Mommy’s health care away because she might die.” I wouldn’t put it past them.


  97. lobo91
    97 | April 4, 2012 11:23 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    The initial police report is out, too.

    Clearly says that the back of Zimmerman’s shirt was wet and had grass on it, and that he was bleeding from his nose and the back of his head.


  98. 98 | April 4, 2012 11:24 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    The Zimmerman story really blew up in their faces.


  99. 99 | April 4, 2012 11:25 am

    @ lobo91:

    The enhanced photos shows gashes on the back of his head. He also has what appears to be a bandage on the base of his nose.


  100. 100 | April 4, 2012 11:25 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    It doesn’t help that poor little Trayvon had as a Twitter name No-LImit_n*****.


  101. 101 | April 4, 2012 11:29 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    It doesn’t help that poor little Trayvon had as a Twitter name No-LImit_n*****.

    Since when have race baitors or Liberal every allowed the truth to get in the way of a good meme? Ask Carolina Girl about that cop killer in Oakland… :shock:


  102. lobo91
    102 | April 4, 2012 11:29 am

    The police report


  103. 103 | April 4, 2012 11:30 am

    @ doriangrey:

    10 Blacks beat up a Hispanic kid in LA. A white man was beaten up by Blacks. No outcry from the Pharaoh.


  104. 104 | April 4, 2012 11:31 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:

    He needs to be exposed for the petty jerk he is.

    He’s exposing himself. In 2008, he was all about gauzy platitudes and slogans, there was nothing to focus on because he’d never done anything. In 2012 he’s got substance, he’s got a record. This week has proven that he can rattled, it’s proven that he instinctively becomes petty and vicsious when threatened. The “smooth operator” persona is a mask that can be removed and he’s shown glimmers of his true, petulant and nasty self this week.

    Attacking his policies is something he takes personally and “Mr. Hyde” emerges. Attacking him personally makes him a martyr…a sympathetic “Dr. Jekyll”. His Achilles Heel is his narcissism. This is why I don’t think Romney’s “amicable” demeanor is necessarily a losing strategy. A “calm, pleasant, steady hand on the tiller” challenger presents a good contrast with a “defensive, combative” incumbent with a poor record.


  105. citizen_q
    105 | April 4, 2012 11:34 am

    O/T Saw this article on reducing medical testing. Noticing it was from the slimes, I looked for spin.

    Doctor Panels Recommend Fewer Tests for Patients

    In a move likely to alter treatment standards in hospitals and doctors’ offices nationwide, a group of nine medical specialty boards plans to recommend on Wednesday that doctors perform 45 common tests and procedures less often, and to urge patients to question these services if they are offered. Eight other specialty boards are preparing to follow suit with additional lists of procedures their members should perform far less often.

    The recommendations represent an unusually frank acknowledgment by physicians that many profitable tests and procedures are performed unnecessarily and may harm patients. By some estimates, unnecessary treatment constitutes one-third of medical spending in the United States.

    I wonder what unnecessary tests my doctor may be prescribing that may actually harm me, so that he can profit. I am frightened! Oh please tell me!! //////

    The list of tests and procedures they advise against includes EKGs done routinely during a physical, even when there is no sign of heart trouble, M.R.I.’s ordered whenever a patient complains of back pain, and antibiotics prescribed for mild sinusitis — all quite common.

    Hmmmmm….. EKGs? I’ve had EKGs as part of my physicals. I can’t figure out how the heck ti could harm me. Perhaps that conductive paste is a carginagin? Certainly the peace of mind I get that my heart is ok, or spotting early signs of trouble is something I can do without especially if it stops my greedy doctor from enriching himself.

    I wonder what other tests I need the nanny state to protect from?

    The American College of Cardiology is urging heart specialists not to perform routine stress cardiac imaging in asymptomatic patients, and the American College of Radiology is telling radiologists not to run imaging scans on patients suffering from simple headaches. The American Gastroenterological Association is urging its physicians to prescribe the lowest doses of medication needed to control acid reflux disease.

    Even oncologists are being urged to cut back on scans for patients with early stage breast and prostate cancers that are not likely to spread, and kidney disease doctors are urged not to start chronic dialysis before having a serious discussion with the patient and family.

    Thank you obama! I hate cardiac stress tests! And I get cold on the table while the EKG is being run. If the doc can’t find anything with a stethoscope it probably is not work looking at anyway.

    Same thing with chemo. My father in-law waited until his prostate was the size of a softball before getting something done. The trip to the ER when he could urinate anymore added some color to his quiet day to day routine, and the catheter did not seem to cramp his style too much.


  106. lobo91
    106 | April 4, 2012 11:35 am

    @ MacDuff:

    I wonder what Romney thinks of this smear of his religion by Lawrence O’Donnell?

    NBC News Ridicules Mormons

    “Mormonism was created by a guy in Upstate New York in 1830 when he got caught having sex with the maid and explained to his wife that God told him to do it. 48 wives later Joseph Smith’s lifestyle was completely sanctified in the religion he invented to go along with it, which Mitt Romney says he believes.”


  107. 107 | April 4, 2012 11:36 am

    @ Rodan:

    All that proves is that Zimmerman violated poor little Trayvon’s right to assault white people. It is scandalous that he hasn’t been sentanced to death for such a civil right’s violation… 8O


  108. citizen_q
    108 | April 4, 2012 11:36 am

    @ Speranza:
    Good, I did not think so, we need you here.


  109. 109 | April 4, 2012 11:39 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    How dare he!

    :lol:


  110. 110 | April 4, 2012 11:40 am

    @ Rodan:

    And let’s not forget the kid in Kansas that was set on fire because he was white.


  111. 111 | April 4, 2012 11:42 am

    New Thread.


  112. 112 | April 4, 2012 11:42 am

    @ citizen_q:

    Yeah don’t do those silly unnecessary tests. Save your money for bigger malpractice premiums. Under those guidelines, you’ll need all the insurance you can get.


  113. 113 | April 4, 2012 11:45 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    And let’s not forget the kid in Kansas that was set on fire because he was white.

    Well, in all fairness, being white in Kansas City is a criminal offense worthy of the death penalty. /s


  114. 114 | April 4, 2012 11:45 am

    @ lobo91:

    I’d imagine he’s pretty used to it by now.


  115. lobo91
    115 | April 4, 2012 11:48 am

    @ MacDuff:

    You really have to wonder where NBC gets some of these people…


  116. citizen_q
    116 | April 4, 2012 11:50 am

    @ Carolina Girl:
    @ Rodan:
    @ lobo91:
    @ Rodan:

    I don’t have a much in the way of evidence, a couple of links denying Zimmerman was Jewish, but I have a gut suspicion that the reason the race vultures circled they way they did was that initially because of Zimmerman’s name they thought they had white Jew on Black violence to exploit. Which would be red-meat to a lot of their audience.

    The White Hispanic description was damage control, once they set the wheels in motion.


  117. citizen_q
    117 | April 4, 2012 11:51 am

    @ Carolina Girl:
    My heirs at least.


  118. 118 | April 4, 2012 11:52 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    You really have to wonder where NBC gets some of these people…

    I think they grow in that stuff in my brothers dog pen that has to be scraped off the bottom of anyone who walks out there’s shoe if they aren’t paying enough attention to where they are walking…


  119. waldensianspirit
    119 | April 4, 2012 12:06 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Not a word against islam lo these many years


  120. 120 | April 4, 2012 12:06 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    You really have to wonder where NBC gets some of these people…

    Probably from one of those algae operations Obama’s always talking about.


  121. Speranza
    121 | April 4, 2012 12:31 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Rush Limbaugh postulated yesterday that now we’ll see these creepy NEA stooge teachers get their little skulls full of mush to “write letters to the Supreme Court not to take their Mommy’s health care away because she might die.” I wouldn’t put it past them.

    Of course they will.


  122. mtc
    122 | April 4, 2012 4:21 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    I second that!


  123. Matie
    123 | April 4, 2012 7:11 pm

    I think we are living already in a Depression


  124. coldwarrior
    124 | April 4, 2012 7:20 pm

    Matie wrote:

    I think we are living already in a Depression

    we have been since 2001, if we use actual gdp numbers


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