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Barack Obama, serial liar

by Speranza ( 108 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Democratic Party, Health Care, Politics at April 6th, 2012 - 8:00 am

This Wall Street Journal Editorial gives us a good idea of what we will have to face if Obama wins a second term. He has long since given up trying to win based on the merits of his arguments, now he tries to demagogue the issues and debase the opposition. His attempt to bully the Supreme Court reveals him in all his totalitarian tendencies to be a serial bully and  a liar.

If there’s a Laffer Curve for Presidential invective—some point at which dishonest political abuse yields diminishing returns—the White House political team must not think their boss has hit it. Even in this hyperpartisan age, President Obama’s speech to the Associated Press yesterday was a parody of the form. This was a diatribe that managed to invoke “Social Darwinism” and “a Trojan Horse” in the same paragraph, amid the other high crimes that Mr. Obama says Paul Ryan wants to commit.

The President’s depiction of the wonkish and formerly obscure House Budget Chairman as some political monster is itself telling. Mr. Obama is conceding that he can’t run on the economic recovery, the stimulus, health care, green energy or any of the other grand liberal ambitions that have dominated his time in office. All of those are unpopular or failures. He was elected on hope and change, but now his only hope is to change the subject to the ogres he claims are the disloyal opposition.

Did you hear about the GOP’s red-in-tooth-and-claw plan for Medicare? Grandma and Gramps are going to be drafted for the Hunger Games.

Mr. Obama has been working Mediscare for the last year, but he is also debuting some new material, each layer thicker than the last. Modern Republicans are so radical that they oppose research and care for Alzheimer’s, cancer, AIDS, autism and Down Syndrome, even as they want to deny education and food to children and their mothers. They want to pave over Yellowstone and backfill the Grand Canyon. But few tourists could get there anyway, because Republicans plan to shut down air traffic control too.

[........]
The list of untrue things that Mr. Obama wants Americans to believe is evidently so long that Mr. Obama associated himself with Republicans, albeit mostly dead Republicans like Lincoln and Eisenhower. For the first time we can recall, Mr. Obama even praised George W. Bush, of all people, because his predecessor created a new entitlement for prescription drugs. He also said Newt Gingrich showed how smart he was when he called Mr. Ryan’s budget “radical” and “right-wing social engineering” last year.

All of this is a political fable carefully constructed to erase the record of the last three years and blame every current anxiety on a GOP House that has been in office for all of 14 months. The President claims to have “eliminated dozens of programs that weren’t working,” but the savings from these eliminations amount to less than 0.1% of the budget, or less than $100 million.

Meanwhile, the budget has grown by more than 20% since he has been President. After deficits of $1.412 trillion, $1.293 trillion, and $1.299 trillion over the last three years, and an estimated $1.326 trillion due for 2012, he still claims the deficits are all Mr. Bush’s fault—except for the extra spending on Medicare, which he likes.

It is especially rich of Mr. Obama to accuse Republicans of breaking last summer’s debt-limit deal—given that even the most sympathetic press accounts that are now emerging make it clear that the President blew up his “big deal” with John Boehner. The House Speaker was prepared to trade higher taxes for mostly notional changes to entitlements, but Mr. Obama thought he could roll him at the last minute for even greater tax increases.

[.......]

Mr. Ryan’s “premium support” reform for Medicare, for instance, has been endorsed by Oregon Democrat Ron Wyden. It was advanced in the 1990s by President Clinton’s Medicare commission led by Democrat John Breaux. It mirrors the insurance system that lets millions of federal workers choose from a myriad of insurance plans with a government subsidy. It is the only reform with a prayer of salvaging Medicare without savage cuts in medical care down the road.

***

The last two days have revealed Mr. Obama at his least appealing—and least Presidential—first warning the Supreme Court not to dare overturn his health-care law, and now demonizing the motives of his political opposition. It is a long, long way from his “there’s no red America, there’s no blue America” stuff of 2004, much less the inspiration of 2008.

If nothing else, Americans are getting a preview of the rhetorical uplift, the bipartisan problem-solving, and the unifying national purpose that would attend another four years.

Read the rest – Paul Ryan’s hunger games

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  1. waldensianspirit
    1 | April 6, 2012 8:59 am

    Don’t care if you go away mad, Obama. Just go away


  2. Speranza
    2 | April 6, 2012 9:14 am

    Obama’s attack on the Supreme Court should be the tipping point for any fence sitters.


  3. huckfunn
    3 | April 6, 2012 9:16 am

    I’ve noticed that in the past several weeks Obama, Biden and Carney have have gone well beyond the usual “distortions” and essentially everything they are saying is a naked lie. Right out of the soviet playbook and they know full well that the MFM will not call their hand on it. ABC’s Jake Tapper may be the exception.


  4. 4 | April 6, 2012 9:21 am

    @ Speranza:

    I don’t think there are many fence-sitters out there. I think most people have made up their minds, and all we are doing s marking time until the vote. This election will hinge on voter turnout, and that is where Romney is weak. I think it will be very close. Romney can beat Obama, but he will have to motivate the base in order to do so, and he has shown no interest in doing so thus far.


  5. waldensianspirit
    5 | April 6, 2012 9:25 am

    @ huckfunn:
    Jarrett’s been whipping the boys into a frenzy


  6. huckfunn
    6 | April 6, 2012 9:36 am

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Jarrett’s been whipping the boys into a frenzy

    Yep. There is no longer even a pretense to truth. Jarrett with a whip… now there’s an interesting image.


  7. huckfunn
    7 | April 6, 2012 9:42 am

    This is funny: Current TV responds to Olbermann’s lawsuit

    Current terminated Keith Olbermann last Thursday for serial, material breaches of his contract, including the failure to show up at work, sabotaging the network and attacking Current and its executives.

    As the old adage says: “When the law is on your side, you argue the law. When the facts are on your side, you argue the facts. When neither the law nor the facts are on your side, you pound the table.² We will be happy to engage on the law and the facts in the appropriate forum.

    It is well established that over his professional career Mr. Olbermann has specialized in pounding the table. However, Mr. Olbermann, by filing his false and malicious lawsuit, has now put this matter into a legal process where there will be an objective review of the facts.

    We hope Mr. Olbermann understands that when it comes to the legal process, he is actually required to show up.


  8. 8 | April 6, 2012 9:45 am

    @ huckfunn:

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of pricks. I hope both sides lose.


  9. waldensianspirit
    9 | April 6, 2012 9:50 am

    @ huckfunn:
    @ Iron Fist:
    It will be entertaining! Stock up on quality corn for popping. :mrgreen:


  10. huckfunn
    10 | April 6, 2012 9:51 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of pricks. I hope both sides lose.

    I’m hoping that the shysters will pick their bones clean. Olberman won’t be able to get a gig on Sesame Street.


  11. 11 | April 6, 2012 9:53 am

    @ huckfunn:
    @ Iron Fist:

    Did you see he calls his company the Olbermann Broadcasting Empire?


  12. 12 | April 6, 2012 9:55 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Romney also has to broaden the base. He has chosen not to and that’s why he will fall short.

    Bush in 2004 broadened the base and that pushed him over the edge against John Kerry.

    The Senate is looking good right so if we keep the House and win the Senate, I will be OK with that.


  13. 13 | April 6, 2012 9:58 am

    If the Republicans lose the presidency, they will not retake the Senate and will do damn well to not lose the House. The presidential race has “coat tails.” Sometimes long, sometimes short, but always there.


  14. huckfunn
    14 | April 6, 2012 10:01 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    @ Iron Fist:

    Did you see he calls his company the Olbermann Broadcasting Empire?

    He’s a legend in his own mind.


  15. huckfunn
    15 | April 6, 2012 10:02 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    If the Republicans lose the presidency, they will not retake the Senate and will do damn well to not lose the House. The presidential race has “coat tails.” Sometimes long, sometimes short, but always there.

    Now you’re starting to sound like Rodan. :roll:


  16. 16 | April 6, 2012 10:06 am

    @ Mike C.:

    Not all the time. There have been many cases where the winner of the Presidency lost Senate seats and didn’t have big coat tails. Nixon won huge in 72, but lost senate seats. What’s different this year is that many of the Senate seats the Democrats are defending are in states that Romney will win. So by default the GOP will pick up at least 4 Senate seats even losing the Presidency. In 96, Clinton won but the GOP picked up 2 Senate seats.


  17. 17 | April 6, 2012 10:07 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    If the Republicans lose the presidency, they will not retake the Senate and will do damn well to not lose the House. The presidential race has “coat tails.” Sometimes long, sometimes short, but always there.
    Now you’re starting to sound like Rodan.

    Uh, you might want to check out his last comment at # 12.


  18. 18 | April 6, 2012 10:08 am

    @ huckfunn:

    Not really. I do think the GOP will hold the House and win the Senate. Its the Presidency they will fall short.


  19. 19 | April 6, 2012 10:08 am

    @ Rodan:

    Romney looks like he is going to fail in a number of areas. He has bought his own bullshit that he is “electible” and that is all he needs to do. Nothing could be further from the truth. He needs to reach out to the base badly. Making Ryan his VP could do that. It would let us know he is somewhat serious about tackling spending. We’ll see what happens, but I am not enthusiastic about his chances. I don’t even know that we’ll get the Senate. We should, but Romney may be such a drag on the ticket that he holds it off. I think we’ll hold the House. At least we’ll have that much going for us.


  20. waldensianspirit
    20 | April 6, 2012 10:12 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Republicans Brace For The Romney Pivot :twist: He’s a planetist after all


  21. huckfunn
    21 | April 6, 2012 10:14 am

    @ Mike C.:
    @ Rodan:
    Just woofin ya.

    Hey, check this out: Carrying It Off: The Springfield XDs Review. Springfield’s new pocket .45.


  22. 22 | April 6, 2012 10:14 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Luckily many of these Seanate races are in states Romney will win regardless. That’s why the GOP will win the Senate by Default.

    This is my election projection:

    Obama 50% 290 electoral vote.
    Romney 48% 248 electoral votes.

    Republicans +4 Senate seats 51 Seats
    Democrats 47 Seats

    House
    Republicans -12 230 Seats
    Democrats +12 205


  23. 23 | April 6, 2012 10:16 am

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Yeah, I read that yesterday. I expect to be stabbed in the back by the son of a bitch, but that will cost him votes. The base won’t turn out for a RINO. Why should we, really? It is all well and good to talk about party unity, but when has the Party shown us any unity? I’ll vote for the bastard, because Obama is worse, but the GOP keeps giving us the choice of “Least Worst” rather than giving us a candidate we can believe in, and they keep losing on that. You’d think they’d get a clue, but I don’t see any signs of that happening.


  24. 24 | April 6, 2012 10:20 am

    @ huckfunn:

    A lot of recoil in a small package. You can get a Ruger LCR in .357 magnum now, but I wouldn’t want to fire it.


  25. 25 | April 6, 2012 10:22 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    I’ve noticed that in the past several weeks Obama, Biden and Carney have have gone well beyond the usual “distortions” and essentially everything they are saying is a naked lie. Right out of the soviet playbook and they know full well that the MFM will not call their hand on it. ABC’s Jake Tapper may be the exception.

    ROTFLMAO… ya think? The latest unemployment numbers just came out, 120,000 jobs added and the unemployment rate fell to 8.2….

    120,000 jobs added isn’t even enough to keep up with the population increase. Never mind the 357,000 per week, or 1.4 million new unemployment claims filed in that same time period.

    To quote Country Joe and the Fish.. “Whoopee were all going to Die”…


  26. 26 | April 6, 2012 10:22 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Dissing the base and pissing off other constituencies is a recipe for disaster.

    I did alot of thinking and although I still am no fan of Bush’s Muslim ass kissing foreign policy and his Liberal fiscal polices,but he was trying to broaden the Republican base. He reached out to groups to normally don’t vote Republican. Now the GOP takes the base for granted and tells certain ethnic groups to fuck off and die. It’s not a winning formula.

    Bush’s 2004 campaign is the blueprint on how to defeat the Democrats.


  27. 27 | April 6, 2012 10:22 am

    @ doriangrey:

    My monthly Obama Boom post goes up at 11:30.


  28. huckfunn
    28 | April 6, 2012 10:24 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    A lot of recoil in a small package. You can get a Ruger LCR in .357 magnum now, but I wouldn’t want to fire it.

    Yep; I’ve got the LCR in .38 and it is a hand thumper. However, I looked at a couple of Youtubes of some guys shooting the XDs and they said it was surprisingly light on the recoil. I pretty much have all of the sub compact pocket pistols I that I need at the moment, but I will give the XDs a try sometime.


  29. 29 | April 6, 2012 10:24 am

    I’m going to do a post on how Bush’s 2004 campaign was the blueprint to defeat the Democrats. It was bit flawed since it wrote off parts of the country, but it worked better than what the GOP has tried since.


  30. huckfunn
    30 | April 6, 2012 10:26 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    To quote Country Joe and the Fish.. “Whoopee were all going to Die”…

    Where’s Country Joe when we need him? :grin:


  31. Speranza
    31 | April 6, 2012 10:26 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    I’ve noticed that in the past several weeks Obama, Biden and Carney have have gone well beyond the usual “distortions” and essentially everything they are saying is a naked lie. Right out of the soviet playbook and they know full well that the MFM will not call their hand on it. ABC’s Jake Tapper may be the exception.

    Biden is a particulalry ludicrous figure. Can you imagine him as POTUS? He would probably blurt out the secret nuclear codes while telling one of his God awful jokes.


  32. Speranza
    32 | April 6, 2012 10:27 am

    Rodan wrote:

    It was bit flawed since it wrote off parts of the country,

    That’s the Rovian 51% strategy which leaves zero margin for error and is minimalist by nature.


  33. 33 | April 6, 2012 10:29 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    My monthly Obama Boom post goes up at 11:30.

    Here’s a little something for you to throw in it as an update/edit…

    The big March jobs miss — and why the real unemployment sure ain’t 8.2%
    By James Pethokoukis

    Recall that back in 2009, White House economists Jared Bernstein and Christina Romer used their old-fashioned Keynesian model to predict how the $800 billion stimulus would affect employment. According to their model—as displayed in the above chart, updated—unemployment should be around 5.8% today.

    But the true measure of U.S. unemployment is far worse:

    1. If the size of the U.S. labor force as a share of the total population was the same as it was when Barack Obama took office—65.7% then vs. 63.8% today down from last month—the U-3 unemployment rate would be 10.9%.

    2. But what if you take into the account the aging of the Baby Boomers, which means the labor force participation (LFP) rate should be trending lower. Indeed, it has been doing just that since 2000. Before the Great Recession, the Congressional Budget Office predicted what the LFP would be in 2012, assuming such demographic changes. Using that number, the real unemployment rate would be 10.5%.

    3. Of course, the LFP rate usually falls during recessions. Yet even if you discount for that and the aging issue, the real unemployment rate would be 9.4%.

    4. Then there’s the broader, U-6 measure of unemployment which includes the discouraged plus part-timers who wish they had full time work. That unemployment rate, perhaps the truest measure of the labor market’s health, is still a sky-high 14.5%.

    5. The employment-population ratio dipped to 58.5% vs. 61% in December 2008. An historically low level of the U.S. population is actually working.


  34. Speranza
    34 | April 6, 2012 10:30 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Not all the time. There have been many cases where the winner of the Presidency lost Senate seats and didn’t have big coat tails. Nixon won huge in 72, but lost senate seats

    True -- the selfish (and borderline criminal) Nixon only cared about getting the biggest reelection victory ever. He did not give a damn about his own political party and made sure that not much money was spent on bringing more Republicans into office. He had zero coat tails.


  35. 35 | April 6, 2012 10:31 am

    @ Speranza:

    That was the flaw. In 2004, they wrote off the suburbs in parts of the country that the GOP had historically won. What saved them in 2004 was expanding the GOP base to include Hispanics. What is needed is a replay from 2004 + winning back the Northeastern Suburbs. In 2010, the GOP pulled that off. They got out the base, got 40% of the Hispanic vote and won back the North Eastern and Upper Midwest suburbs. The GOP needs to pull off 2010 at a Presidential level. But they have decided against it.


  36. huckfunn
    36 | April 6, 2012 10:31 am

    Speranza wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    I’ve noticed that in the past several weeks Obama, Biden and Carney have have gone well beyond the usual “distortions” and essentially everything they are saying is a naked lie. Right out of the soviet playbook and they know full well that the MFM will not call their hand on it. ABC’s Jake Tapper may be the exception.

    Biden is a particulalry ludicrous figure. Can you imagine him as POTUS? He would probably blurt out the secret nuclear codes while telling one of his God awful jokes.

    He is such a buffoon. What makes his buffonery complete is the fact that he is such a dumb schlub yet thinks he’s the smartest man on the planet. He’s gotta be the most gaffasstic VP evah.


  37. huckfunn
    37 | April 6, 2012 10:32 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    Here’s a little something for you to throw in it as an update/edit…

    GIVE ME AN F….


  38. 38 | April 6, 2012 10:35 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    To quote Country Joe and the Fish.. “Whoopee were all going to Die”…
    Where’s Country Joe when we need him?

    I think he “Turned on, tuned in and dropped out” one time to many and is now wandering the halls of Bellevue stalking a little purple unicorn that was stealing his skittles, that or he is writing legal briefs for the Obamanation Administration. :shock:


  39. citizen_q
    39 | April 6, 2012 10:35 am

    @ huckfunn:
    I have a smith 640 .357 Mag 2″ barrel as my “small” snubbie. Not as small as a LCR, but it is an all stainless steel frame. The extra weight gives it a bit of heft and is rather pleasant to shoot with standard .38 Special, accurate too. Haven’t shot it yet with .38 +p, and doubt I will do much if any .357 Mag out of it. I am not a masochist.


  40. 40 | April 6, 2012 10:38 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Here’s a little something for you to throw in it as an update/edit…
    GIVE ME AN F….

    Umm, speaking of Obama’s score on the Economy… :oops: A solid F-… :twisted: and that is being kind to him. If I had turned in work of as stunning quality as Obama has on the economy when I was in college, my professors would have dropped me from their courses.


  41. huckfunn
    41 | April 6, 2012 10:41 am

    @ doriangrey:
    I was surprised to see that Country Joe is actually still alive. He just turned 70 in January.


  42. RIX
    42 | April 6, 2012 10:42 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    I’ve noticed that in the past several weeks Obama, Biden and Carney have have gone well beyond the usual “distortions” and essentially everything they are saying is a naked lie. Right out of the soviet playbook and they know full well that the MFM will not call their hand on it. ABC’s Jake Tapper may be the exception.

    it has gotten downright Orwellian. Carney is trying
    now to assert that the President didn’t actually say
    what you thought that you heard.
    See as “A Law Prefessor, he as speaking in shorthand.
    Some people chose to misunderstand.”


  43. Speranza
    43 | April 6, 2012 10:42 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    That was the flaw. In 2004, they wrote off the suburbs in parts of the country that the GOP had historically won. What saved them in 2004 was expanding the GOP base to include Hispanics. What is needed is a replay from 2004 + winning back the Northeastern Suburbs. In 2010, the GOP pulled that off. They got out the base, got 40% of the Hispanic vote and won back the North Eastern and Upper Midwest suburbs. The GOP needs to pull off 2010 at a Presidential level. But they have decided against it.

    They write off too many voters. Not. Good.


  44. Speranza
    44 | April 6, 2012 10:43 am

    Rodan wrote:

    I did alot of thinking and although I still am no fan of Bush’s Muslim ass kissing foreign policy and his Liberal fiscal polices,but he was trying to broaden the Republican base. He reached out to groups to normally don’t vote Republican. Now the GOP takes the base for granted and tells certain ethnic groups to fuck off and die. It’s not a winning formula.

    Interesting point.


  45. huckfunn
    45 | April 6, 2012 10:44 am

    @ citizen_q:
    Last summer I bought a Smith & Wesson Model 28 Highway Patrolman .357. Nice big N frame six shooter and really a joy to shoot. I didn’t buy it for a carry piece… to pretty to conceal.


  46. 46 | April 6, 2012 10:45 am

    @ Rodan:

    Do you think a lot will also be riding on how SCOTUS rules on Обамаcare? They’ve already voted….we just have to wait till June to hear the result.


  47. huckfunn
    47 | April 6, 2012 10:47 am

    RIX wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    I’ve noticed that in the past several weeks Obama, Biden and Carney have have gone well beyond the usual “distortions” and essentially everything they are saying is a naked lie. Right out of the soviet playbook and they know full well that the MFM will not call their hand on it. ABC’s Jake Tapper may be the exception.
    it has gotten downright Orwellian. Carney is trying
    now to assert that the President didn’t actually say
    what you thought that you heard.
    See as “A Law Prefessor, he as speaking in shorthand.
    Some people chose to misunderstand.”

    I’m surprised that Carney isn’t in traction after all of the linguistic gymnastics he’s been doing all week. The interview with Brett Baeir was an instant classic.


  48. 49 | April 6, 2012 10:51 am

    @ doriangrey:

    You get a hat tip!


  49. 50 | April 6, 2012 10:52 am

    @ Macker:

    Yes that’s a factor. But the problem is Romney has turned off the base and other voters. He has a lot of work to repair.


  50. RIX
    51 | April 6, 2012 10:52 am

    @ huckfunn:

    I’m surprised that Carney isn’t in traction after all of the linguistic gymnastics he’s been doing all week. The interview with Brett Baeir was an instant classic.

    Carney comes across as an intellectual light wieight.
    He makes it worse with a smug, snarky attitude.


  51. Speranza
    52 | April 6, 2012 10:54 am

    Just like we write off too much of the “popular culture”, we write off too many states. If we cannot win the presidency in some of these states, at least let’s win as much as we can the Senate and House seats with the most electable candidates in those states and if that means a Mike Castle or Scott Brown- so be it.


  52. 53 | April 6, 2012 10:55 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    I was surprised to see that Country Joe is actually still alive. He just turned 70 in January.

    Country Joe was an imbecile back then, and obviously hasn’t sought any kind of medical attention for his disorder…


  53. 54 | April 6, 2012 10:55 am

    @ Speranza:

    2010 was the blue print on how the GOP can win. Turn out the base, get 40% of the Hispanic vote and be competitive in the Northeastern Suburbs.
    Guess what the GOP focused on in 2010? Economic and Fiscal issues. SO far in 2012 it about nonsense.


  54. Speranza
    55 | April 6, 2012 10:57 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    2010 was the blue print on how the GOP can win. Turn out the base, get 40% of the Hispanic vote and be competitive in the Northeastern Suburbs.
    Guess what the GOP focused on in 2010? Economic and Fiscal issues. SO far in 2012 it about nonsense.

    You mean contraceptives is nonsense? ///


  55. 56 | April 6, 2012 10:57 am

    @ Speranza:

    Culture wars, insulting ethnic groups and writing off parts of the country. Not a winning formula.


  56. coldwarrior
    57 | April 6, 2012 10:58 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Guess what the GOP focused on in 2010? Economic and Fiscal issues. SO far in 2012 it about nonsense.

    and it’s april

    april…many many political eons to go till november


  57. Speranza
    58 | April 6, 2012 10:58 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Culture wars, insulting ethnic groups and writing off parts of the country. Not a winning formula.

    It’s a blueprint for national defeat every ****ing time.


  58. 59 | April 6, 2012 10:58 am

    @ Speranza:

    Yup!


  59. 60 | April 6, 2012 11:00 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    They didn’t do this in 2010. It may be early but they have to dig out of a hole. Not a good way to start.


  60. RIX
    61 | April 6, 2012 11:00 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    2010 was the blue print on how the GOP can win. Turn out the base, get 40% of the Hispanic vote and be competitive in the Northeastern Suburbs.
    Guess what the GOP focused on in 2010? Economic and Fiscal issues. SO far in 2012 it about nonsense.

    They let themselves get diverted, particularly Santorum.
    He took the bait on the contraceptives issue & it changed
    the narrative from the Obama war on the Church to the
    Republican war on women.


  61. 62 | April 6, 2012 11:00 am

    @ Speranza:

    They also have a Pony-Tailed Guru Jazz Guitarist against them. That’s tough to overcome!

    :lol:


  62. 63 | April 6, 2012 11:03 am

    @ RIX:

    Yup, he couldn’t help himself and turned a winning issue into a political disaster. Plus his insulting Puerto Rico claiming they don’t speak English just fed the Media narrative as well. If I didn’t know any better, I would think Santorum is a false flag operative.

    He really did damage. Plus Romney’s scorched Earth strategy was horrible.


  63. 64 | April 6, 2012 11:03 am

    Well, a full-sized .45 ACP pistol has less felt recoil than even a steel medium-framed revolver with .38 Special in it, IMHO, and certaily well less than the same revolver with .357 magnum in it. All the recoil from the revolver goes straight through instead of cycling the action like it does in the pistol. I have an Airweight J-Frame S&W, and it kicks with authority. You get used to it, but it takes a few rounds.


  64. coldwarrior
    65 | April 6, 2012 11:04 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    They didn’t do this in 2010. It may be early but they have to dig out of a hole. Not a good way to start.

    there wasnt a presidential election in 10.

    the only peeps paying attention right now are wonks and political junkies


  65. citizen_q
    66 | April 6, 2012 11:06 am

    @ RIX:
    It is the theater of the absurd.

    Every time carny speaks I find myself thinking, how does this guy live with himself? He is nothing more than a spin pimp for obama. Does he have no honor, no skills that he has to lie and creatively spin events to deceive us for his master?


  66. 67 | April 6, 2012 11:07 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Look at winning Presidential campaigns, they don’t start in the hole. At this point in 2008 The Dems and Reps were running neck and neck. In 2004, Bush was even with Kerry. Its not good to start in the hole. Many analysts have pointed this out.

    Romney has a lot of damage to repair. He has 7 months. He better get started.


  67. 68 | April 6, 2012 11:07 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ Rodan:

    Sadly I understand what is going on better than most, being as I am going on 2 years unemployed. Carter Penley, my former boss, is working on opening a new manufacturing facility. He has been doing the bureaucratic shuffle for almost 4 months now complying with various Federal, State and Local regulations so that he can manufacture Carbon-Fiber Golf shafts.

    Four months rent paid on a 10,000 square foot building at a dollar a square foot that the Fed’s, State and City of San Diego won’t even allow him to turn on a single machine yet. And people wonder why the US Economy is so messed up (yes CW, that was edited as per your request) and unemployment remains so high. It is genuinely enough to make a person wonder if the actual goal of our government isn’t to destroy our economy.


  68. coldwarrior
    69 | April 6, 2012 11:08 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Look at winning Presidential campaigns, they don’t start in the hole.

    really?

    ya might want to look at early reagan v carter numbers


  69. citizen_q
    70 | April 6, 2012 11:10 am

    @ huckfunn:
    Sweet! A full sized revolver is on my wish list. Either a N Frame smith or a Ruger GP100.


  70. 71 | April 6, 2012 11:11 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Look at winning Presidential campaigns, they don’t start in the hole.
    really?
    ya might want to look at early reagan v carter numbers

    Oh come on now, you know that 6 month out from the election Jimmy Carter was only beating Ronald Reagan by a measly 40 percent… :shock: :oops:


  71. coldwarrior
    72 | April 6, 2012 11:11 am

    @ doriangrey:

    *calls the credit union for a loan for 6 shafts…*


  72. 73 | April 6, 2012 11:12 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Obama is not Carter and Romney is no Reagan. Its not good to start in the hole. In 76 Gerry Ford did come back from 30 points down and would have won had he not botched the Polish question. S0 it can be done.

    I’m not saying it can’t be done, just that it makes it more difficult. Like you said 7 months is a long time, so Romney better start repairing the damage.


  73. coldwarrior
    74 | April 6, 2012 11:13 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Romney is no Reagan

    reagan wasnt “reagan” in the spring/summer of 80.


  74. coldwarrior
    75 | April 6, 2012 11:13 am

    Rodan wrote:

    I’m not saying it can’t be done, just that it makes it more difficult. Like you said 7 months is a long time, so Romney better start repairing the damage.

    eons


  75. RIX
    76 | April 6, 2012 11:14 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ RIX:
    It is the theater of the absurd.
    Every time carny speaks I find myself thinking, how does this guy live with himself? He is nothing more than a spin pimp for obama. Does he have no honor, no skills that he has to lie and creatively spin events to deceive us for his master?

    Carney does seem to lack a sense of honor.
    He is married to Claire Shipman & I saw them together
    on a talk program.
    It is a jump ball, who is actually worse.


  76. 77 | April 6, 2012 11:14 am

    @ doriangrey:

    Obama is not Carter and Romney is no Reagan. That’s not a good blueprint for this. We are in uncharted waters. This election is a nominee despised by the base and by a whole ethnic group. A terrible incumbent with a lousy economy still polling well and an effective campaigner.

    We are in uncharted waters here.


  77. waldensianspirit
    78 | April 6, 2012 11:14 am

    Reagan wasn’t a Planetist


  78. 79 | April 6, 2012 11:15 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Yup. He better get on his game.


  79. citizen_q
    80 | April 6, 2012 11:15 am

    @ Mike C.:
    I will have to take out my 1911A1 and model 640 out at the same time and compare the recoil one day. I had not thought about. I can shoot both for as much as I can afford per session.


  80. 81 | April 6, 2012 11:17 am

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Obama is not Carter. This man has a cult like hold on a large segments of the population.


  81. 82 | April 6, 2012 11:19 am

    @ citizen_q:

    See what you think and report back…


  82. Speranza
    83 | April 6, 2012 11:19 am

    RIX wrote:

    They let themselves get diverted, particularly Santorum.
    He took the bait on the contraceptives issue & it changed
    the narrative from the Obama war on the Church to the
    Republican war on women.

    I cannot stand that whiny fellow who does not have the temperament to be POTUS.


  83. waldensianspirit
  84. 85 | April 6, 2012 11:21 am

    @ Speranza:

    I wouldn’t be shocked if Rick Santorum was paid off by the Left to run. He fed into the stereotype of what the Left has portrayed Republicans since 1992.


  85. Speranza
    86 | April 6, 2012 11:22 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Obama is not Carter. This man has a cult like hold on a large segments of the population.

    By 1980 even the media was sick of Carter.


  86. Speranza
    87 | April 6, 2012 11:23 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I wouldn’t be shocked if Rick Santorum was paid off by the Left to run. He fed into the stereotype of what the Left has portrayed Republicans since 1992.

    Actually I am amazed he was even elected to the Senate.


  87. 88 | April 6, 2012 11:23 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    *calls the credit union for a loan for 6 shafts…*

    The damned City of San Diego made him put in a 9 square foot concrete pad (cost $2500.00) before they would allow a gas meter to be installed, the justification for this expense? So the San Diego Gas and Electric meter installer would not have to bend over to install the 35lb meter. Once the meter was in and all the gas lines ran to the ovens the city inspector refused to sign off on the gas lines…. because he didn’t know how to unhook a simple coupling, Carter had to hire a plumber to uncouple and then recouple the coupling, time taken to do that… 3 minuets, cost.. $150.00


  88. coldwarrior
    89 | April 6, 2012 11:23 am

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Reagan wasn’t a Planetist

    the mormons are in for a hell of shock when the press goes after them at full speed.

    i hope they are ready for what is coming


  89. coldwarrior
    90 | April 6, 2012 11:26 am

    @ doriangrey:

    great, now the shafts will be even MORE expensive.


  90. 91 | April 6, 2012 11:28 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    They have started already. Larry O’Donnell on MSNBC was trashing it.


  91. 92 | April 6, 2012 11:29 am

    @ Speranza:

    He was elected in the 94 wave.


  92. Speranza
    93 | April 6, 2012 11:31 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    They have started already. Larry O’Donnell on MSNBC was trashing it.

    He is a particularly vicious nut job.


  93. waldensianspirit
    94 | April 6, 2012 11:31 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    The answer to the MSM is “Why haven’t they asked muslims the same types of questions and written expositions of islam?”


  94. Speranza
    95 | April 6, 2012 11:31 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    He was elected in the 94 wave.

    Well that was changed in the 2006 wave.


  95. waldensianspirit
    96 | April 6, 2012 11:32 am

    Albeit Romney is going to have some “Jeremy Wright” types of problems coming to the fore


  96. Speranza
    97 | April 6, 2012 11:32 am

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    The answer to the MSM is “Why haven’t they asked muslims the same types of questions and written expositions of islam?”

    Too much logic there.


  97. Speranza
    98 | April 6, 2012 11:33 am

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Albeit Romney is going to have some “Jeremy Wright” types of problems coming to the fore

    Let’s see if he is as willing ot go after Obama like he went at Perry over a purely internal Texas affair.


  98. waldensianspirit
    99 | April 6, 2012 11:33 am

    @ Speranza:
    Ooops


  99. 100 | April 6, 2012 11:33 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    great, now the shafts will be even MORE expensive.

    Hmmm, I wonder if that isn’t the Federal, State and Local governments plan??? The higher the retail cost, the more the tax on each item… :shock:


  100. RIX
    101 | April 6, 2012 11:34 am

    @ Speranza:

    I cannot stand that whiny fellow who does not have the temperament to be POTUS.

    It is time for Santorum to drop out ( I hate to agree with
    McCain.)
    As I write this, a news report came on the radio that
    Rick Santorum & his wife just took their three year
    old daughter Bella to the hospital.
    They do seem like wonderful parents, but he does need
    to drop out


  101. 102 | April 6, 2012 11:35 am

    New Thread.


  102. 103 | April 6, 2012 11:36 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    waldensianspirit wrote:
    Reagan wasn’t a Planetist

    the mormons are in for a hell of shock when the press goes after them at full speed.
    i hope they are ready for what is coming

    Oh, I think they will be ready, Mormons are after all know for preparing for things well in advance, they have never really gotten out of the bunker mentality that drove them to Utah in the first place.


  103. 104 | April 6, 2012 11:37 am

    @ Speranza:

    That is my biggest concern about Romney. I think he’s going to do a Dole/McCain on us and not really run against Obama.


  104. coldwarrior
    105 | April 6, 2012 11:40 am

    bbl…me and the puti have a tee time.

    FORE!


  105. lobo91
    106 | April 6, 2012 11:41 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    That is my biggest concern about Romney. I think he’s going to do a Dole/McCain on us and not really run against Obama.

    He’s probably going to run against Bush.

    //Worked for Obama in ’08…


  106. Speranza
    107 | April 6, 2012 12:26 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    That is my biggest concern about Romney. I think he’s going to do a Dole/McCain on us and not really run against Obama.

    Let’s see if he brings up Rev. Wright.


  107. Speranza
    108 | April 6, 2012 12:27 pm

    RIX wrote:

    They do seem like wonderful parents, but he does need
    to drop out

    I am sure he is a great husband and father, just a lousy candidate.


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